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Speaker 1: He is Eric Galco from Optimum Scouting. But first a

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Speaker 1: course on all those Giant platforms as well. Eric, it's

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Speaker 1: good to talk to you. I've been a big fan

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Speaker 1: of work for a couple of years. Man. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: being what's us? How are you? I'm great man. It's

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Speaker 1: it's where a month wake from the NFL draft fans excited? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it absolutely is. What do you think those first four

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Speaker 1: in Nae. Rutherford. You know it's funny. I think I

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Speaker 1: as crazy as that sounds, because I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: it feels like confidently in Hudson be the first overall

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Speaker 1: pick at the Jacksonville Jaguars, but the Detroit Lions have

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Speaker 1: a maybe you needed edge rusher, maybe you need at safety.

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Speaker 1: And for the timber two over I'll pick two. I

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Speaker 1: believe that Malik willis very much in play for them,

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Speaker 1: and the number two overall pick at quarterback, and then

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Speaker 1: the Texans edge rusher or safety guys like Travon Walker

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Speaker 1: or Cole Hamilton at three. And then the New York

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Speaker 1: Jets obviously have some offensive line help. Maybe Evan Neels

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Speaker 1: a fit there, maybe they go edge rusher. So I

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Speaker 1: think five through twenty is almost easy to project after

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Speaker 1: one through four, but I think we'll see at least

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Speaker 1: one or two defensive linemen going to top four picks,

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Speaker 1: and I think a quarterback at two overall. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think Eric kind of speaks to this draft class right

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Speaker 1: where you don't have those blue chip can't miss guys

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Speaker 1: like you usually have. Like I've said this on a

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Speaker 1: couple of different podcast you know, I was at the

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Speaker 1: combine and talked to a bunch of different people. If

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Speaker 1: you take the top seven or eight position players from

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Speaker 1: last year, they're probably all in the top ten of

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Speaker 1: this year's position player class, right yeah, yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: for us internally, you know, if you take out the quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: because they always a different animal, we've got twelve guys

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Speaker 1: basically the same grade, and and none of those guys

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Speaker 1: Khalil Mack. And that's not to say that I don't

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Speaker 1: think husches could be very good. But it's one of

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Speaker 1: those draft classes where, honestly, if you can go from

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Speaker 1: as well do it. So I think there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of parody in the top ten. Fif's part of the

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Speaker 1: draft for Shore. So you think Malik Willis would is

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Speaker 1: Mike Willis is a special quarterback prospect. I got a

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Speaker 1: chance I watched him last year. I called up Quincy

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Speaker 1: this guy could be special next year. I watched him

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Speaker 1: work out in June. I felt Malik will as I

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Speaker 1: saying that Lions are absolutly gonna take him. I think

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Speaker 1: Malik is special, and special quarterbacks go early, and I

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Speaker 1: sometimes on Twitter, he's gonna go early. He's at special

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Speaker 1: quarterback prospect. Now, I do think it's important he winds

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Speaker 1: Malik would benefit for sure not sitting for maybe a

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Speaker 1: can be great from Link. But again I think Mallie's

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Speaker 1: maybe team in the back end of the top ten

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Speaker 1: that impressed. Yea, to your point, he just has to

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Speaker 1: see it like he can figure it out once he experiences.

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Speaker 1: He just has to experience it, and you an experience

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Speaker 1: You talk about a potential team trading up here, the Giants,

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Speaker 1: I think would like to try to accumulate some more picks.

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Speaker 1: Will a team you think be trying to jump Carolina

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Speaker 1: again it's not a very top heavy draft class. Talking

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Speaker 1: Are you convinced at this point that Trayvon Walker is

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Speaker 1: and I think Travon is extremely intriguing. Cavon Thibodeaux is

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Speaker 1: does seem talking about teams that Trayvon has a good

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Speaker 1: If not there, he won't last much longer either. Think

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Speaker 1: the athletic upside is too apilling to bring up, and

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Speaker 1: year ago where you're hate production is not there, but

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Speaker 1: I think Jermaine Johnson a Florida State and came out

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Speaker 1: about Evan Neil and Charles Pross criticles they can play

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Speaker 1: they have Charles Charles standard play both George phantoms are

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Speaker 1: you could play both left and right tackle. Maybe they

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Speaker 1: personally internally, um, we have Evan Neil one, Ikey two,

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Speaker 1: And that's why I think all three will be taken

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Speaker 1: I look at these guys I feel comfortable with, you know,

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Speaker 1: You don't have any concerns about asking Charles Cross out

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Speaker 1: not be something that he's been working on that this offseason.

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Speaker 1: And I know the way he moves both left and right.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's gotten really impressive lateral mobility and range

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Speaker 1: I have known about Kyle Hamilton's And again, if someone

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Speaker 1: I do think you call guys safety now, but safeties

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Speaker 1: I agree, right, but he can still match up with

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Speaker 1: But I think his impact is really on being that

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Speaker 1: defensive front seven is gravy at that point, So those

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Speaker 1: two guys jump out. Beyond that, there are some interior

431
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Speaker 1: offensive line I think can really do that. Guys like

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Speaker 1: um Zion Johnson of Boston College is a guy to hey,

433
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Speaker 1: he's so smart, so on appressive, can play guard and center. Again,

434
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Speaker 1: the versatility is sometimes overblown the first trail picks, but

435
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Speaker 1: for a team like the Titans or the Bills, who

436
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Speaker 1: may say, short term, we gotta play here, but long

437
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Speaker 1: term you can play a couple of spots. That's a

438
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Speaker 1: really intrigue position as well too. Um play. Those three

439
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Speaker 1: guys jump out as like high character guys who are

440
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Speaker 1: also gonna be pillars to allow teams to have especialty

441
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Speaker 1: teams rebuilding the roster is real flexibility. One of the guys,

442
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Speaker 1: I think people all over the place on and the

443
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Speaker 1: giants on the state trade down probably are not going

444
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Speaker 1: to be in the position to pick this player. But

445
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Speaker 1: I'm just curious your tape because I respect your scouting acumen.

446
00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,479
Speaker 1: Tyler Linde Bomb. Obviously his tape is fantastic, But the

447
00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,359
Speaker 1: arms thing, I know people worry about the Iowa tape

448
00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,679
Speaker 1: though he basically moves people. He does what he wants.

449
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Speaker 1: How much does the online thing worry you? And and

450
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Speaker 1: how do you think he's going to translate? Is he

451
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Speaker 1: really a scheme specific You better be an outside zone

452
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Speaker 1: team if you're gonna pick him type of type of

453
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Speaker 1: guy or do you think he can do a lot

454
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Speaker 1: more than other people are giving him credit for. It's

455
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Speaker 1: it's a lot of margin for error right for off.

456
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Speaker 1: Along with shorter arms, you can't make mistakes in your

457
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Speaker 1: footwork really ever at the NFL level now when you're

458
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Speaker 1: at you know, shorter arms, and Tyler doesn't make a

459
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Speaker 1: lot of mistakes, didn't make a lot of mistakes, and Iowa,

460
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Speaker 1: there's someplace where you can see him get blown up

461
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Speaker 1: and you see that you know, lesser fringe NFL talents

462
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Speaker 1: are really beating him to a spot as his own

463
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Speaker 1: blocker in space or you know, attacking his a gap

464
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Speaker 1: and and getting him a little off balanced and encountering

465
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Speaker 1: on him. So those things really do come up. But

466
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Speaker 1: I think talking to the online coach on the league

467
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Speaker 1: as well too, for the ones where he has a

468
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Speaker 1: scheme fit for ones that want to run a lot

469
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Speaker 1: more zone blocking schemes and not necessarily be as man

470
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Speaker 1: one on one um in isolation with him, as well

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Speaker 1: teams that don't play as many you know, heavy nose

472
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Speaker 1: tackle teams. I think it's important for Tyler keep in

473
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Speaker 1: mind to write him against Jordan Davis for a whole

474
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Speaker 1: game that's gonna be you know, George Davis gonna win

475
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Speaker 1: that battle most times, like he will against most centers

476
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Speaker 1: in the league to Tyler's defense, but I think for

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Speaker 1: for Tyler it's it's that margin, Dave. I think for teams,

478
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Speaker 1: he's gonna be kind of your third offensive line And

479
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Speaker 1: what I mean by that is, if he's your third

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Speaker 1: best guy, you could, I think, make up for a

481
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Speaker 1: lot of maybe the deficiencies are at that inconsistency still

482
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Speaker 1: be having if he's your number one or number two guy.

483
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Speaker 1: It's really hard to build an offensive line group around that.

484
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Speaker 1: You can really drops. But if you've got a left

485
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Speaker 1: tackle or a right guard that can kind of support

486
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Speaker 1: and and take some pressure off and make those guys

487
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Speaker 1: on islands and help your you know, left guard helping

488
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Speaker 1: tile whatever else. A lot of online coaches feel that, hey,

489
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Speaker 1: he's getting some chip help with running backs and left

490
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Speaker 1: guards and right guards. But I think all things considered,

491
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Speaker 1: he is the best center in this class. He is

492
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Speaker 1: number two in terms of int your offensive lineman's class

493
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Speaker 1: talking to most teams, behind Zion Johnson. But I think

494
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Speaker 1: overall he isn't going to be NFL starter, and finding

495
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Speaker 1: NFL quality starters in the offensive line, those guys are

496
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Speaker 1: worth first round picks every day. It's why we'll see

497
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Speaker 1: some surprise guys go first round. If you can start

498
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Speaker 1: games in the NFL, you're making fifteen million dollars a year,

499
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Speaker 1: or you're on a rookie deal, and that's a really

500
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Speaker 1: really viable contract. So it's funny. Let me just ask

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Speaker 1: a follow up based on the point you made there

502
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Speaker 1: at the end of your statement, you think Zion from

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Speaker 1: most teams has jumped ahead at Kenyan Green as the

504
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Speaker 1: top in tier off into lineman in the draft class.

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Speaker 1: I think so. I think I think Kenyan can do

506
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Speaker 1: some tackle stuff as well, which really appealing to teams

507
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Speaker 1: as well. Do I think it's probably close. I Zion

508
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Speaker 1: Kenyan Green, if you count Tyler Smith from Tulsas into

509
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Speaker 1: your guy, um, I think they're all in the mix,

510
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Speaker 1: but I think they're all gonna go in the first round. Um.

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Speaker 1: I don't think any of those guys get past the

512
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Speaker 1: through six that's at the Cowboys, Bills, Titans, ZERI all

513
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Speaker 1: those guys could use into your officive flyne, but I

514
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Speaker 1: think all three of those guys are got either well

515
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Speaker 1: before at that point, so it could be I take

516
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Speaker 1: your pig. I think Zion is pretty impressive off the field.

517
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Speaker 1: I q s can do the center stuff when you

518
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Speaker 1: think it's really really valuable. And I think Kenyan Green

519
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Speaker 1: and tell Our Smith and more of those left tackles

520
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Speaker 1: left guards type prospects as well too. But all three

521
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Speaker 1: of those guys are gonna go pretty early, and all

522
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Speaker 1: the topicks. Now I'm with you, I'm I'm I'm on

523
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Speaker 1: I'm on Team Zion there as well. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: let's jump to the Giants second round pick. Here, they

525
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Speaker 1: picked fourth overall in round number two. Where do you

526
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Speaker 1: see the depth in this class? Eric, where you're going

527
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Speaker 1: to get the highest quality player? Is it? Is it edge?

528
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Speaker 1: Do you think there might be a tackle left or

529
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Speaker 1: you know where do you think you're gonna have the

530
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Speaker 1: value on the board at the top of that second round? Yeah,

531
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't been on tackle. Um. Just again, I wouldn't

532
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Speaker 1: wait on tackles. If you want to tackle, you take

533
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Speaker 1: one early, because again, first round offensive one I better

534
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Speaker 1: probably the best best value in terms of any draft

535
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Speaker 1: pick you can have right now, maybe next to edge rusher. Um.

536
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Speaker 1: I would to buy the top of round two finding

537
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Speaker 1: a skilled position guy, quarterback or tight end. It maybe

538
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Speaker 1: a bit earlier there, But really that run on ton

539
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Speaker 1: end is gonna happen in the middle part of the

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Speaker 1: second round. Guys like Charlie Kohler or Jeremy Rucker or

541
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Speaker 1: ge Lonny Woods are all gonna be in the mix

542
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Speaker 1: when it comes to the forties fifties, and I think

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Speaker 1: every team has a tight end one on their board.

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Speaker 1: Every team does, obviously, and they're a tight end. They're

545
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Speaker 1: all different for sure, And that's where like, hey, if

546
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Speaker 1: you want your best tight in the draft, you probably

547
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Speaker 1: would take him in the forties fifties. You're already you know,

548
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Speaker 1: it's already kind of great to get your best guy

549
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Speaker 1: of position. So I think tight end will be a

550
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Speaker 1: really appealing Day two, Day two pick. But maybe it's

551
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Speaker 1: a little bit too early for the second round, but

552
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Speaker 1: but I would say that depth is really gonna be

553
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Speaker 1: corner and safety at that early part of Day two.

554
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Speaker 1: That's where I expect the Giants a lot of teams

555
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Speaker 1: to look at, because if guys like Jakwan Brisker, Lewis

556
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Speaker 1: Seen Kirby Joseph nick Cross are there at safety and

557
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Speaker 1: then corner, whoever kind of falls on a Round one

558
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Speaker 1: Guys like or Elam et cetera will be there at

559
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Speaker 1: the top round two. How many corners do you think

560
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Speaker 1: going around one? At least four? Um, and I think

561
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Speaker 1: it could be more. Again, just based off draft friends.

562
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Speaker 1: The back end of round one is almost always online

563
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Speaker 1: in DBS because every team could use those. Every playoff

564
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Speaker 1: team is always saying if I had one more guard, right,

565
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Speaker 1: one more DV So I think we'll see a lot

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Speaker 1: of those guys go late round one. But i'd say,

567
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Speaker 1: you know, certainly Sauce Gardener and Trent McDuffie and Derek

568
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Speaker 1: Ston will all go round one, and then after that

569
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Speaker 1: at least one more guy too. Yeah, So how how

570
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Speaker 1: do you sort between then the boots? Um? Yeah? And

571
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Speaker 1: Booth as well. He'd be a guy that could jump

572
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Speaker 1: there too. So who are the guys that you particularly

573
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Speaker 1: like in the next tier of cornerbacks that you think

574
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Speaker 1: could develop into a start is? I think the Giants

575
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Speaker 1: could be in the source gardener business early in this draft,

576
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Speaker 1: but they could pick it O T and an edge.

577
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Speaker 1: So if they're looking for a corner there, who are

578
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Speaker 1: the guys you particularly like in that next group? Yeah,

579
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Speaker 1: I think you're Elam is really impressive. I think he's

580
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Speaker 1: still underappreciated right now. I think he's got im mense talent.

581
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Speaker 1: He's got enough length you can play with forreim and

582
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Speaker 1: he can do some pressed up up as well. He's

583
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Speaker 1: a good athlete. I think he handed the bloodline certainly

584
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Speaker 1: um with him and playing in the NFL, and I

585
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Speaker 1: think he he's a guy I've I've started doing more

586
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Speaker 1: mock draft peaking around around the draft Twitter world. I

587
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Speaker 1: don't see him nearly enough in terms of first round

588
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Speaker 1: mock drafts. I think he's really appealing sauces teammate Kobe Bryant,

589
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: really appealing guy Um Kalin Barns and Baylor. Really fast.

590
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Speaker 1: He's gonna go somewhere in the middle part of Day two.

591
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Speaker 1: He broke the record or almost for the record the

592
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Speaker 1: NFL combined with his top end speed. Jellen Armor Davis

593
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Speaker 1: of Alabama UM a lot of these guys. Roger McCoury

594
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Speaker 1: of Auburn. These guys are not really thought about too

595
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Speaker 1: much as those early second round picks or even mid

596
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Speaker 1: to late second round picks. But again that's such a

597
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Speaker 1: position of value and the depth in this class is

598
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Speaker 1: not very good. If you want a guy who can

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Speaker 1: be a starter, or a nickel for you. You probably

600
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Speaker 1: have to pick that guy by that early part round three,

601
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 1: or else you're not gonna find that guy later. It's

602
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 1: not the deepest of positions at corner if you're looking

603
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Speaker 1: for starters, which is why I think teams you may

604
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Speaker 1: see some surprise dB goes early. And again we've seen

605
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Speaker 1: the last couple of years guys like Tyson Campbell of

606
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Speaker 1: Georgia not talked about a whole lot leading up to

607
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Speaker 1: the draft, but teams were fighting to get him at

608
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Speaker 1: thirty three overall for the Jacksonville Jaguars, Javant Holland of Oregon.

609
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: Same thing. So again, dvs are always in demand at

610
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Speaker 1: the early part of round two. All right, how about

611
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Speaker 1: those edge guys that might not go in the first round.

612
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Speaker 1: Let's talk like, you know, you have the two Penn

613
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Speaker 1: State guys Um a bikini and the other guy the

614
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: name is escaping me. Look at look Atta, look atta,

615
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Speaker 1: thank you. Um you got the kid from San Diego State, right,

616
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Speaker 1: you got the kid from USC uh boy mafe. A

617
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 1: lot of people think might get out of the first round.

618
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Speaker 1: We'll see, how do you kind of sort through that

619
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Speaker 1: next to your edge rushers that aren't gonna be top

620
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Speaker 1: fifteen picks, but could drop down into that three range. Yeah,

621
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Speaker 1: McKenny will go in the first round. I'd be shocked

622
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Speaker 1: if he doesn't. Um, he's he's really talented, really well

623
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Speaker 1: liked by teams, high character kids, still ascending. I think

624
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Speaker 1: there's enough to need edge rushers. And again the top

625
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: top five or six edge guys will all go in

626
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Speaker 1: the top fifteen picks. So if you need an edge

627
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Speaker 1: rusher after pick fifteen, and mc kenny's kind of your

628
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: next guy. Uh, but you mentioned boy Mafe, I think

629
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Speaker 1: he'll be a very appealing guy the top around too.

630
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Speaker 1: You know, high upside, still developing, really really impressive athlete.

631
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Speaker 1: He'll be at the top around two. Some teams are

632
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: are split MGI Sanders of Cincinnati. Uh, a little weight

633
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: fluctuation stuff over his college career. Can he play in

634
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Speaker 1: the NFL at two fifty or seeing more of a

635
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Speaker 1: two forty two thirty five guy, which again some teams

636
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: prefer that UM lighter guys versus heavier guys. But he

637
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: has some fans with the league. Cam Thomas almost the opposite.

638
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: He's almost a heavy edge rusher as well too, so

639
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: Marie Barnee tested very well at the NFL combined, he'll

640
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: be appealing. So I think those are the guys that

641
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Speaker 1: we're talking about on top of the top around two,

642
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Speaker 1: and I think we'll see a lot of them go

643
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Speaker 1: in the early part of round one, which mean name

644
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: of those teams that are picking early Round two don't

645
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: need led rusher as much, so, as crazy as it sounds,

646
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: it'll be one of the deeper positions on the two.

647
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: But those guys might fall up the forties or fifties

648
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: just because the Jaguars don't need one went at one right,

649
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: maybe the Seattle Seahawks only when they took one at

650
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: eight or nine. So I think we could see the

651
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: edge rusher is slipt into the fouries or fifties, but

652
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: still a lot of good talent there. But again, that's

653
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: position that by the time you get to the middle

654
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: to late part of day two, you're kind of out

655
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: of starter or even third best edge rush on your team.

656
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: Tell you're breaking my heart because I love a big ketty.

657
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: I think he's great and I would love for him

658
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: to get the round too, But I guess not. All right,

659
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: let's see the Giants looking for a guard They kind

660
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: of signed a bunch of stop gap veterans here to

661
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: play center and guard from the next couple of years,

662
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: trying to be competent on the offensive line, which would

663
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: be nice, but you want to try to get some

664
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: lunked our answers there. So they have two three, two

665
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: third round picks who are some of the center guard

666
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: comble guys versat all. Either you know, one of the

667
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: other two that works that you could get in you

668
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: think round three or even rent early round four, given

669
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: the you know, depth of this class in general. Yeah,

670
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: I'll give you a few. One is court El Bowls

671
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: to the North Dakoast State. He's going to go on

672
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 1: the top under of picks. He's played left tackle, right

673
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: tack on his career guard. There are offensive line coaches

674
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: who valued him more last year and this year over

675
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: Dylan Ravens, who was the second round pick for the

676
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans. A lot. That's because of the versatility, the

677
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: power run ability, which the Giants want to get back

678
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: to a little bit. And I think the versatility to

679
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: play guard and tackle. He did both of the East

680
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: West Ryan boy, I think that's really appealing for a

681
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: Giant ce looking to kind of retool. You mentioned the flexibility.

682
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: Zach Tom of Wake Force a really really good athlete,

683
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: really impressive player. He's played left tackle, you get play center.

684
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: I think he can offer a lot of value short

685
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: term for the Giants to be kind of a utility

686
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: man across the offensive line, but that certainly can play

687
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,719
Speaker 1: center a long term. And then Alec Lindstrom of Boston College,

688
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: brother of Chris Lindstrom, plug and play NFL center. I

689
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: was at the Boston College Pro day. There were six

690
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: seven eight offensive line coaches there alone for him and Zion,

691
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of teams field Lindstrom can

692
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: come and right away, whether it's a third round pick

693
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: or a fifth round pick, NFL starter run day one.

694
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: So I think if you're looking for a plug and

695
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: play starter AFT for the top two or three rounds

696
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: in the offensive line, Lindstrom be might pick for Jim

697
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: with the Giants. You mentioned tight ends. If you want

698
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: to get your guy, pick him a round too. But

699
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: maybe you want a guy who's Who's a guy that

700
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: might still be available in on day three. Now we're

701
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: talking fourth, fifth round that isn't gonna come in and

702
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: you know, catch sixty balls but you can trust to

703
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:12,959
Speaker 1: block a little bit in the run game, you can

704
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: pass for a little bit. You know he can run

705
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: a eight yard hitch and you know running a little

706
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: option route. Who are some of the Titans that you

707
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: think you know could step in and help you at

708
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: least as an early day three pick. Some guys I've

709
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: seen on those PFF mock draft people post out there

710
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: a Gelanni Woods in Virginia. He's not gonna be there

711
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: on late day three. He'll be an early day two guy.

712
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: You'd be a great fit. I think what Brian Dable

713
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: wants to you. But again, he'll be a guy that

714
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,719
Speaker 1: to pick in the thirties as opposed to the nineties

715
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: or hundreds. But a couple of guys that jump out.

716
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: One Daniel Bellinger of San Diego State. We value and

717
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: really really highly. But he's a complete tight end, really athletic,

718
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: he can do those stick routs. He looks like a

719
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: young cow Rudolph a lot of times on film. I

720
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: think he can be a plug and play starter for

721
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: the Giants. He'll be some more in a late day

722
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: to early day three that round three four area um

723
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: looking more of a fullback h back guy who could

724
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: really block really well to gooze O Congo for Maryland

725
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: very well like run the league is Pro day at

726
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: Maryland is this week. But impressive athlete, solid hands catcher,

727
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: but can be really effective h bac kind of tight

728
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: end too for you. Somewhere in late day to early

729
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,719
Speaker 1: Day three um. Eric Deese of San Jose State strong blockers,

730
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: strong seam rail player was a combined snuff surprising. A

731
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: lot of teams have late day too early Day three

732
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: grades of him as well. But kind of a complete

733
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: tight end. But that's one of the deeper positions in

734
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: this draft, and I would say for a team, especially

735
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: New York maybe has multiple needs at tight end, which

736
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: is pretty rare across the league. This is the kind

737
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: of the draft to double up on those guys. You

738
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: could take Ballinger in the in the fourth and Lucas

739
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: Crow of Pit in the sixth and be really happy

740
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: with your ted end and leaving the draft. I hate

741
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: to say the wide receiver classes deep, ark, because the

742
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: wide receiver classes deep every year. Now it's just an

743
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: endless stream of seven on seven wide receivers that have

744
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: been doing this stuff their whole life, right, I mean,

745
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: there's just a million of these guys now. So if

746
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: if you're the Giants and you're looking for some help,

747
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: you already used the first Stroud pick in Canarius Tony

748
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: invested all this one mean Kenny Golladay, So oh it

749
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: might not be a premium need. But if you're looking

750
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: for something day three and wide receiver, who are some

751
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: of the guys that you think could fall and be

752
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: productive even though they're not a you know, top you know,

753
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: three round pick. Yeah. I think the intro with the

754
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: Giants is at receiver room right now. They definitely want

755
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: special teams guys right because Darius Slayton has been there,

756
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: but he's not gonna be there too much longer, and

757
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: Sterling Shepherd and Kenny Gania are playing special team. Saything

758
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: for Derris Tony, he's a return but he can't bigger gunners.

759
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: So I think finding guys on day three, if I

760
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: was a Giant, stand look at guys who have played

761
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: special teams or can do it at a high level.

762
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: A couple of guys jump out that maybe our guys

763
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: to check out. One is Josh Johnson of Tulsa. He's

764
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: played Z X and slot receiver for Tulsa and special teams,

765
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: really longer, athletic, but really good route runner. He's a

766
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: guy that could be kind of the utility player and

767
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: play on special teams. Tanner Connor Sleeper from Idaho State.

768
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: Trust me Idaho State six three to twenty runs the

769
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: four three's jumps a forty into for like a really

770
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: really impressive athlete. UM. I think a lot of TEA

771
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: teams are appealed by him. Stanley Barry Hill, it could

772
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: be a returner. He's a gunner at Arizona. All three

773
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: guys I think are really really appealing as far as

774
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: those day three guys that could be special teams guys

775
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: as well as versal receivers. See, this is why we

776
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: wanted are gone. He does to stay on it for

777
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: us Shrine. This is his wheelhouse, guys, and we talked

778
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: a bunch of these, you know top you know state,

779
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna get that from No, you're not exactly um.

780
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: Same deal with running back. You know, you can find

781
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: running backs up and down the board every year if

782
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: you know what you're looking for and he fits what

783
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: you do. So based on what you know about Brian

784
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: Dabele and Mike Hafka, they both come from pretty heavy

785
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: zone schemes from you know where they've come from. Who

786
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: are some of these late round running backs, you know, fifth,

787
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: sixth round, fourth round that that you think can step

788
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: in and maybe not be a three down back book

789
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: and help you in a way on the field. Yeah.

790
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,479
Speaker 1: I mean when when Brian and Joe Schelmore in Buffalo,

791
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: they kind of didn't buy committee all. I'll not try.

792
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: It's really worked out in Buffalo too much. Thin Buffalo

793
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: wants to running back as well, So I'm not sure

794
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: if they want to go to committee route or kind

795
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: of the jack of all trade for the whole running

796
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: back group. But but about what, Yeah, Abram Smith of

797
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: Baylor UM is a really intriguing former linebacker turn running back.

798
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm not sure teams love him in terms of he's

799
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: not a top end athlete, but a really really tough

800
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: runner that a guy that's just gonna make a roster

801
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: because of that, and he could be ran a z

802
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: own scheme obviously at Baylor UM can do that and

803
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: especially inside zone at very high level. He's a really

804
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: intriguing one. UM. J Shaun Corban of Florida State and

805
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: State really struggled this year with not a lot of

806
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: talent around him. He was really impressive. UM complete guy.

807
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: He's really developed as a pass catcher, but he's really

808
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: known as being an interior zone walking running back and

809
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: takes a mantage of big plays a lot too. He's

810
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: not quite Dalvin Cook, but turned the film on and

811
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: maybe he sees a little Balvin Cook of what he

812
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: can do in the open field. Um Isaiah pa Chaco,

813
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: we're in the fastest force at the NFL Combine. He's

814
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: got top end speed, but again he's really a great

815
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: outside zone running running back. And then I think a

816
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: guy that NFL Southeast Area scouts had been raving about

817
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: since September, Ty Chandler of North Carolina UM one of

818
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: the more well liked guys by area scouts and now

819
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: cross checking scouts had a great North Carolina pro to

820
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: NFL Combine. He's a really explosive downhill probably first and

821
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 1: second down only to start his career running back, but

822
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: a perfect zone running back scheme. I think people will

823
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: be surprised if he goes third fourth round. That's how

824
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: much NFL team like him right now. But if he's

825
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: there on Day three and they keep be a slam

826
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: dun pick and he gotta work behind say on long term.

827
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: You know, I think linebacker eric is one of the

828
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: toughest positions to scout now and to find because in

829
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: the NFL they're asked to do so much. It's just,

830
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: you know, they're really tough spots, and we see it.

831
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: Even some of the guys that have picked really high

832
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: they struggle because you just it's a very tough position

833
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: to play. So who are some of the guys that

834
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: you've seen in college and you can pick on anyone

835
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: all across the board now that that you've seen you like,

836
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: you know what, I think this guy can can handle

837
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: it because it's as much as being an athlete is

838
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: as as being able to process and kind of figure

839
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: everything out. Yeah, Joejoe Doman jumps out in Nearraska. He

840
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: was a really really exciting player to watch this because

841
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: he can legitimately cover um receivers and tight ends and

842
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: high level. I think he's really impressive. Terrel Bernard at

843
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: Baylor for a different reason. Explosive dynamic downhill player Jack

844
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: Sandboard of Wisconsin, guy who's playing multiple linebacker spots in

845
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: his college career. UM d Q Thomas at Middle Tennessee

846
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: one of my favorite sleepers, really really impressive athletes. I

847
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: know teams that have third round raids on him, but

848
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: a middle Tennessee State sleeper who's a former safety linebacker

849
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 1: adding more weight, but a really really impressive athlete. Both

850
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: college out of linebackers. Carson Wells more of an edge

851
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: rusher who could also play some stand up. And then

852
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: Nate Laman, who I think is argue with the best

853
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: run defending linebacker in this draft class. He's only can

854
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: do that, but I think he's really really impressive at it.

855
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: But I think overall linebacker linebacker board really picks up

856
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: on a Day three. The one guy who I've I've

857
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: I've really loved since before the year and really appreciated

858
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: this year. Troy Interstor of Montana State. I think if

859
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: you have a linebacker need um. He's a guy that

860
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: I remember calling an area scout in like late September.

861
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, are you watching him right now? If you

862
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 1: see what I've seen, Like I just give a second round. Great,

863
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: this is a monte A State kid, uh in September,

864
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: but that's how early we run. Troy Tyner and being

865
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: a special player, I think he he'll be the linebacker

866
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: from this draft class that after the Devon Lloyd's of

867
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: the world will say that was the guy we should

868
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: have taken earlier in the draft. Yeah, I'll say. I

869
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know when I when I showed

870
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: up in Mobile for the Senior Bowl, I had obviously

871
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: no idea who Troy and this one was. Right then

872
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: I watched him and he's he I think forced. It

873
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: was red zone one on ones, which is you know,

874
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: for linebackers, it's death. You're in space and it's it's

875
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: it's extremely difficult. He broke up like three or four

876
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: straight passes. I'm like this fi from Mount Tennessee. It's

877
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: covering tight ends and running backs on routes. I couldn't believe.

878
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. Yeah, yeah, he's he's really impressed. I mean,

879
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: he's still getting better as a run defender, but the

880
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: coverage in things are there comes from being a former quarterback.

881
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: And I joke all the time I would take him

882
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: over Taysom Hill at most positions, right, like quarterback up,

883
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Troy Intererson. He was really good there.

884
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: Tight end. We'll see. So I think he's he's a

885
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: lot like if Taysom Hill was a linebacker in college

886
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: supposed to playing quarterback. That's what I think Troy Interson

887
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: is and I think a lot of teams an're gonna

888
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: feel by him again. I think he'll go early round two.

889
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: I think that's how impressive he is and how much

890
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: teams are gonna like the upside with him. All right,

891
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: let's go, Let's do a couple of fun ones before

892
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: we say goodbye. Who's the guy that you know? Draft Twitter,

893
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,479
Speaker 1: Roddy Internet scout guys love that you talk to people

894
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: around the league and you're like, you guys might pump

895
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: your brakes there a little bit. The league doesn't feel

896
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: as good about this guy as you all do. It's

897
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: a good question, um, and it's Trey McBride um is

898
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: one that jumps out. I think that teams are a

899
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: little bit cautious of him not being a special athlete.

900
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: That's a tight end and a load of tight end

901
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: class they should say loaded of really deep tight end class.

902
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: On day two. I think some teams are not quite

903
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: as high on him. Um. I think the Garrett Wilson

904
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: and Drake London, two receivers that people have really you know,

905
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: going top ten and mock draft. I think some teams

906
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: are more like, I'm not really sure about those guys

907
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: than Garrett's. It's really explosive, But is the NFL receiver

908
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: right away in a real role, Drake London. I think

909
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: a lot of teams, like myself are still scared off

910
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: the Laquon tread Well Josh Dockson era of receivers who

911
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: just didn't work out, who were good athletes. Those two

912
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: guys jump out quite a bit as far as the

913
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: top tier guys that are like, hey, you know what,

914
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: maybe teams aren't really as high. And then the other

915
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: other side of the coin, guys like George Pickens of

916
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: Georgia to Marvin Leel of A and m like, those

917
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: guys are our top fifteen, top twenty on our board

918
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: for some teams as well. I think those guys who

919
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: go earlier people expect, Okay, well that that was that,

920
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: that was gonna be the second part of my question. No,

921
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 1: that's no, that's great, now, that's fine. Uh yeah, anyone

922
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: else where you're like, you know, you guys, you guys

923
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: are sleeping on these guys. These guys are gonna go

924
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: a lot higher than maybe the public might expect you know,

925
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: who's gonna be that first round guy or people like WHOA,

926
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 1: we didn't see that coming. Yeah, I feel like I

927
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: haven't enough mock drafts. You know who's really be a surprise?

928
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: I didn't can hear elm I mentioned from Florida's when

929
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: that jumps out? Perry On Winfrey of Oklahoma should be

930
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: a first round pick as well, um Quon Brisker of

931
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: Penn State, just because the same classed not that dep

932
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: you may be a surprise when as well too, Um.

933
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: But I think I think people are all surprise. When

934
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: I kind of mentioned Tyler Smith of Tulsa, A get

935
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: he'll go in the top picks. He's too talented and

936
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: offensive line they're too important. But I think we'll we'll

937
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: see him more. I think as of right now, team

938
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: first round. And the real question for me is how

939
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: many quarterbacks go right now? I've got two earmark for

940
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: round one, but that'll determ a lot about the surprise

941
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: that could happen around what Yeah, and you might have

942
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: that team that trades up to like thirty two right

943
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: to get the fifth year act on a guy something

944
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: like that, and you might sneak in the third with

945
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: that pick. Let me ask you about Tyler so if

946
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: you mentioned him a couple of times, I watched him

947
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: last week. Boy, I see the talent, but some of

948
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: the past pro a tackle like you fall off your chair,

949
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: Like has someone like taught him how to how to pass?

950
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: His arms are all over the place. It's he's it's

951
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: kind of it's kind of messy. Do you think teams though,

952
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: I think if we get him into that smaller box

953
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: as a guard, he'd be okay. Or is this more

954
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: of a long term you know, play a guard, train

955
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: a tackle, maybe at some point move him outside. No.

956
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: I think it's honestly, he reminds me a lot of

957
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: a younger's act Mark Notre Dame, where I think, like, hey,

958
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: I think one more year at Tulsa are kind of

959
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: almost a red shirt year in the NFL, and you're

960
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: gonna get Zach Martin maybe better at left guard. And

961
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: if you told the team I can do a Larry

962
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: Bird draft, take a guy and get him next year

963
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: at left guard, I'll do that in the heartbeat. So

964
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: I think that's why teams like Tower Smiths so much.

965
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: I think the upsides there. He's only what years old? Um?

966
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 1: He's a really good kid, he's really motivated, is really tough,

967
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: and like he has all the traits and you're just

968
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: telling me that, hey, maybe in six seven months I

969
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: can fix a lot of these problems. Yeah, I'll take

970
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: that guy right now and and maybe slowly get him

971
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: involved for sure. And we kind of under overappreciate sometimes

972
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: how most teams don't expect their first second outpics to

973
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: play day one. Some teams do what some positions they do.

974
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: But if you're telling me that the back end of

975
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: his rookie year, Taller Smith may have figured out a

976
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: lot of those pass direction issues at guard and be

977
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: ready to go that, I'll take that right away. So

978
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: I think that's why teams are they see the rawness

979
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: but character wise, toughness wise, motivation wise, work ethic wise,

980
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: all those boxes are are a plus for Tyer Smith.

981
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: And again, I think that's why teams at kind of

982
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: late teens, early twenties, those fringe playoff teams or future

983
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: playoff teams like the Chargers, like the Steelers, like the Patriots,

984
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: are all gonna want a guy like him in their

985
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: locker room. Alright, final question, let's have some fun Giants

986
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: picks five, seven, and thirty six. You're on the record,

987
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: What do you got for me? I can't predict. Trade

988
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: down pretty good, trade absolutely, trade down at five to

989
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: the Saints. Um. But I'll say they trade down from

990
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: the fifth pick to the eighteenth pick. Oh, I like that.

991
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: And then and then and they're getting the Saints first

992
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: round pick next year for that. I'm uh yeah, something

993
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: like that, or second round pick and more picks this year.

994
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, they'll they'll get a good haul. I think

995
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: just Saints are more of a of a guest, but

996
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 1: it could be a good spot for the both teams.

997
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: I like that. And seven? Do do they still get

998
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: their offensive tackle at seven? Then? I think about Gardener.

999
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: I wonder the Giants long term at at offensive line,

1000
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: but I think if if Andrew is good, if you

1001
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: have a left tackle, that's good, and you can got

1002
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: a buy time at guard, maybe it's fourth while to

1003
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: take the top end quarter in this draft class. Okay,

1004
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: so then they got a corner and now eighteen, I

1005
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: gotta ask you for eighteen, that's a tough one. What

1006
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: do you got? I like linebacker. I think guys like

1007
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd are really really valuable in that scheme, and

1008
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: I think having a top ed linebacker saying hey, now

1009
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: we got a corner, got a linebacker, we certainly have

1010
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: defensive tackle talent. I think all three levels your defense

1011
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: on a pretty good spot. All I like it that

1012
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: and now give me thirty six. Tempting to go boy

1013
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: I mentioned him earlier, Um, but I'll say that at

1014
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: thirty six. Let's say tomar saw your offensive line. I

1015
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: think you at him making be a guard tackle a

1016
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 1: couple of spots. But I think thirty six is maybe

1017
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: the spot where you're hoping an offensive lineman falls. But

1018
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: that's kind of the spot that of a guy like

1019
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: Sali Geru who can be a couple of spots and

1020
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: be started right awake and really viable. That's what I think.

1021
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: A great draft of the Giants and more Day two

1022
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: picks and hopefully future picks and which one really will

1023
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: be a loaded draft class as well. So stock playing

1024
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: future years for a Giant team is a really good move.

1025
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 1: I love Jamari Salier. Should tell me there's no chance

1026
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: they're gonna get him the top round three, not making

1027
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: not again, it's it's too Bago for offenitis de flment

1028
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: after him, it kind of falls out pretty quickly, So

1029
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: now I'm with you. Look, I I think Sally will

1030
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: be a fantastic going to lead for a long time. Eric,

1031
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: great stuff. Tell the folks where they can find you.

1032
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: Anything you want to put out there about the West

1033
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: Shrine Ball and you guys had a great year this year.

1034
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: Tell the folks anything that you want them to know. Yeah,

1035
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: I appreciate no East West Shrine Bowl will have uh

1036
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: more draft existing and they've had in the last twenty

1037
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: five years, and really probably that my first year with

1038
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: the event, so it's gonna be fun to follow with

1039
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: these guys. The rest of the draft process again to

1040
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl will be at a location tbd, but

1041
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: it'll be sometime again in early February next year. Man,

1042
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: So we're really excited for it. You guys were in

1043
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: Vegas this year, is that correct? We were in Vegas

1044
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: this year and Vegas is pretty appealing. They went back

1045
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: there again next year. Vegas is pretty cool if you

1046
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: haven't been out there in a while. So um, But

1047
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,959
Speaker 1: we'll have a new location or at that location again

1048
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 1: and more trimble updates coming soon. But we're really excited

1049
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: for three ISS. We am to have a best in

1050
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: class all Star game experience, Eric, great stuff. Man, really

1051
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: appreciate it. We'll talk to you soon, all right. Thanks buddy,

1052
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 1: Eric Galco. We thank you for joining us. We'll see

1053
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: you next time on the Giant Subtle Podcast