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Speaker 1: At least. He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: Nation Radio. Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly here

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Speaker 1: with Matt Williamson, and it's the trade deadline day here.

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Speaker 1: The trade deadline just ended in the in the NFL

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Speaker 1: at four o'clock. It's now four oh one. So, UM,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that there won't still be some news

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Speaker 1: trickling out. These deals get sent into the NFL, and

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Speaker 1: sometimes some of them are announced right away, some of

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Speaker 1: them are not. Um. The Steelers reportedly they haven't officially

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Speaker 1: announced these as of yet, making two moves today, the

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Speaker 1: first being to trade Chase Claypool to the Chicago Bears

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Speaker 1: for a second round draft pick. Uh. They then go

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Speaker 1: ahead and acquire uh cornerback William Jackson the third from

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Speaker 1: the Washington Commanders. UM. I know we're talked. We've talked

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Speaker 1: a lot about the Claypool stuff, Matt, and I don't.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think anything was going to get done, largely

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Speaker 1: because I didn't think anybody would give up the compensation

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Speaker 1: that is reportedly involved here, which would be a second

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Speaker 1: round draft pick. Again, none of it's official. We don't

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Speaker 1: know for sure, but just tune everybody in the Bears

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Speaker 1: traded Roquan Smith to the Ravens yesterday and got the

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Speaker 1: Ravens second round pick, so they have two seconds. They

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Speaker 1: have the Bears second, the raven second. Been conflicting reports

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Speaker 1: which one it could be. Again, then this is official,

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Speaker 1: but they it sounds like the CEO's are getting a

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Speaker 1: second in return prefers the Bears. You would prefer its

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Speaker 1: to Bears. But even if it's not. You're looking now

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Speaker 1: going into the NFL draft. Um, I'm no mathematician here,

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Speaker 1: but there are thirty or sixty four picks in the

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Speaker 1: Miami got suspended one. So there you go. How about

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Speaker 1: that mathematician. So at the very least, the Steelers now

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Speaker 1: have three picks in the top sixty three if if

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Speaker 1: or if the Ravens, I don't see that happening. Um,

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Speaker 1: I mean you when I were joking before we went

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Speaker 1: I mean you got to think by I mean, we're

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Speaker 1: really getting ahead of ourselves. But when that draft rolls around,

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Speaker 1: there's a handful of free agents that won't be back.

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Speaker 1: There'll be a handful of free agents that are from

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Speaker 1: other teams. There'll be a handful of free agents that

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Speaker 1: at that point. I mean, who knows what that will be.

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Speaker 1: But you've got three resources. You may have knocked out

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Speaker 1: a totally best available one might be Claypool's replacement a

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Speaker 1: and frankly, they've asked him to play way more zone

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Speaker 1: The Steelers definitely play more man than Washington. But the

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Speaker 1: key is Austin, the Steelers defense coordinator. Coach Jackson with

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Speaker 1: the Bengals, and that's why he has such a big contract.

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Speaker 1: he's a long former first round pick athletic. And I

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Speaker 1: doubt this is an accident. With the way Witherspoon played

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