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Speaker 1: ty hilden Brandt. Dan Rubinstein actually not joining me this evening.
Speaker 1: I got the week off last week, and so it's
Speaker 1: only fair that Dan would take his turn this week.
Speaker 1: He will be back with me next week, I promise.
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, it was my duty to go
Speaker 1: out and find an esteemed guests to bring on the show.
Speaker 1: As you know, a week ago Dan interviewed our friend
Speaker 1: Bruce Felban, one half of the Audible podcast. So this week,
Speaker 1: why not continue the trend. I'm going to bring Stuart Mandel,
Speaker 1: the other half of the Audible podcast, back on the show.
Speaker 1: It's been a long time actually since we had Stu
Speaker 1: on the podcast, and that's not for any reason. We
Speaker 1: love Stu. It just hasn't worked out. And in case
Speaker 1: he didn't know, he's also been a very very busy man.
Speaker 1: He has now become the frontman for the All American
Speaker 1: which is part of the athletics push into sports media,
Speaker 1: more specifically college football. So Stu's been a busy guy.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to him about that. I want
Speaker 1: to talk to him about some other topical college football
Speaker 1: items that some folks have emailed in about over the
Speaker 1: last week or so. And also I put out a
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Speaker 1: Without further Ado let's talk to our friend Stuart Mandel
Speaker 1: from the All American and the Athletic All right, joining
Speaker 1: me now an a steamed guest of the program. His
Speaker 1: name is Stuart Mandel. You know him from the All
Speaker 1: American on the Athletic family of sports websites. Stu, how
Speaker 1: are you great, Ty?
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing well. You've been a busy guy since the
Speaker 1: last time we had you on the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a much busier role that I've taken on
Speaker 3: now where I'm both writing and managing an entire enterprise.
Speaker 2: But it's a good kind of busy.
Speaker 1: All right, talk me through this, because what was it?
Speaker 1: Last year? Fox Sports decides rather infamously that they're going
Speaker 1: to try this whole pivot to video thing that leaves you,
Speaker 1: that leaves a bunch of other talented individuals kind of
Speaker 1: on the outside looking in. You're in this place where
Speaker 1: you've obviously got a lot of name recognition within the
Speaker 1: college football community, among college football fans. Presumably you're like
Speaker 1: looking for a steady source of income like the rest
Speaker 1: of us. What happens next?
Speaker 3: Well, so the Fox pivot to video didn't become public
Speaker 3: until late June of last year. But we myself rust Ballman,
Speaker 3: we knew about it. We knew that's where it was headed.
Speaker 3: Nody had outwardly come out and said, like, you guys
Speaker 3: won't have a place to write, but we knew that
Speaker 3: was where it was headed, probably from mid January, so
Speaker 3: I'd had a lot of time to, you know, both
Speaker 3: think about what I wanted to do next, and.
Speaker 2: Obviously started talking to people.
Speaker 3: And then in the course of that, I think it
Speaker 3: was late April, ESPN had their massive layoffs. S I
Speaker 3: laid off a bunch of good people, and it was
Speaker 3: just so depressing in our industry at that time. It
Speaker 3: felt like the whole thing was just dying. And I
Speaker 3: just kept saying to myself, it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: There's still a huge demand for what we do. People
Speaker 3: are voraciously consuming written sports journalism. If Fox or ESPN
Speaker 3: or whoever can't figure out how to make a good business
Speaker 3: model out of that, like somebody else should, and fortuitously,
Speaker 3: that's what the Athletic was starting to do at that time. Now,
Speaker 3: at that time, they were only in a few local markets.
Speaker 3: They hadn't really attempted to do anything on a national level,
Speaker 3: but they saw an opportunity.
Speaker 2: They talked to Seth Davis for that college basketball.
Speaker 3: Site as soon as he became available, and then it
Speaker 3: was just a lot of good fortune in that I
Speaker 3: live here in the Bay Area. They're based in San Francisco.
Speaker 3: I had already really started sketching out what a college
Speaker 3: football vertical would look like. It's something that myself and
Speaker 3: Dan Uthman, who's our managing editor who came from USA today,
Speaker 3: had kind of talked about in theory for a long time,
Speaker 3: and when I was going through my transition, if you will, period,
Speaker 3: I really started putting more thought into it. So it
Speaker 3: all came together very quickly because it's something I was
Speaker 3: already thinking about, it's something this company was already heading toward,
Speaker 3: and it all you know, next thing I knew, I
Speaker 3: went from writing doing much the same thing I've been
Speaker 3: doing for my whole career to getting hired and then
Speaker 3: immediately turning around and start hiring other people.
Speaker 1: So is it fair to say that you're the frontman
Speaker 1: of this operator? Were you a frontman in your band
Speaker 1: in college?
Speaker 3: By the way, No, that's I was the guitarist and
Speaker 3: I kind of consciously avoided being the front man.
Speaker 1: Did you secretly want to be the front man back then.
Speaker 3: Well, I think everybody, whether they're whether they're in a
Speaker 3: band or not, right, everybody fantasizes about being the lead
Speaker 3: singer of the front man, the ultimate rock star. But
Speaker 3: I was also very very much aware of the fact
Speaker 3: that I could not sing to save my life.
Speaker 2: So it was never it was never really a realistic option.
Speaker 1: In this case, you can write, and you do have
Speaker 1: some degree of credibility within the college.
Speaker 3: Thinking Eddie man Halen maybe the only guitarist who's the
Speaker 3: actual frontman of a or the most recognized person from
Speaker 3: a band.
Speaker 2: But anyway, it's not just the writing.
Speaker 3: I just I've been you know, well, I've been writing
Speaker 3: and also just kind of being part of college football
Speaker 3: on the internet and the digital space basically almost since
Speaker 3: the start of the internet, since the nine and I
Speaker 3: felt like I had a pretty good pulse of what
Speaker 3: fans want, what's worked for me. Over the years, Increasingly
Speaker 3: we've seen the direction some sice are going in that
Speaker 3: I frankly just kind of could tell anecdotally, like people
Speaker 3: are kind of turned off by this, People are turned
Speaker 3: off by auto play videos. Why do you guys keep
Speaker 3: doing it? And so That's why I really like the
Speaker 3: athletics approach. And I guess I did have kind of
Speaker 3: an entrepreneurial spirit, Like every so often I would always
Speaker 3: have like kind of hair brained business ideas in my
Speaker 3: head that I just never quite followed through on. This one, obviously,
Speaker 3: is one where you actually or I could actually bring
Speaker 3: something to the table.
Speaker 2: I have that.
Speaker 3: I think the startup lingo is what's your unfair advantage?
Speaker 3: And I guess my unfair advantage was just having a
Speaker 3: lot of experience and a lot of relationships built up
Speaker 3: in this space.
Speaker 1: And a lot of pop punk and emo knowledge right
Speaker 1: to boot.
Speaker 3: Do you know that hasn't really come in handy in
Speaker 3: this new job yet, but hopefully soon.
Speaker 1: Do you find that you're watching a lot more Shark
Speaker 1: Tank now that you're officially an entrepreneur.
Speaker 3: I think the thing that not Shark Tank, I mean
Speaker 3: being in Silicon Valley obviously. I mean I was watching
Speaker 3: to show Silicon Valley before, as long before I was
Speaker 3: involved with this company, But this season has just felt
Speaker 3: so much different. It's just, you know, it's real life now.
Speaker 3: And then you know, I don't think this is a coincidence.
Speaker 3: You ever heard the Gimlet podcast startup of course, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I listened to that probably within a few months of
Speaker 3: when I first kind of got aware of the Athletic.
Speaker 3: So when I had those first conversations with the founders,
Speaker 3: I could at least speak a little bit of their lingo,
Speaker 3: a little bit of startup speak.
Speaker 2: It's cool.
Speaker 3: I find that I really enjoy much more than I
Speaker 3: would have imagined the business side of it, and it's
Speaker 3: actually taken up a lot more of my time than
Speaker 3: I would have guessed. Like I just kind of naively thought, Okay,
Speaker 3: we'll get the thing up and running.
Speaker 2: Dan Uthman is.
Speaker 3: The guy who actually does the day to day editing
Speaker 3: of the stories and coordinating with the writers. I'll just
Speaker 3: be a writer that happens to have an editor in
Speaker 3: chief title. That no, like, there's so many from a
Speaker 3: strategic standpoint, from an operation standpoint, there's so many things
Speaker 3: that come up on a day to day basis.
Speaker 2: And now we're hiring again. So it's just like last
Speaker 2: summer all over again.
Speaker 3: I spent find myself spending a lot of time on
Speaker 3: the phone with prospective candidate.
Speaker 1: Let me play Devil's advocate for a second, because you
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about what the fans want. I
Speaker 1: think there's always going to be someone out there covering
Speaker 1: college football for free. And I guess I should say
Speaker 1: probably because we don't know where this whole thing is
Speaker 1: headed ten years from now. But I guess my point is,
Speaker 1: is a subscription model sustainable.
Speaker 3: It's amazing, it's sustainable. And what's amazing is how quickly
Speaker 3: it's become normalized. When we got this thing off the
Speaker 3: ground a year ago that, yeah, I mean, there was
Speaker 3: still a whole lot of why would I pay for this?
Speaker 3: You know, you guys are crazy. You're so many places
Speaker 3: you can get this for free. And I noticed that
Speaker 3: when Seth Emerson, our new Georgia writer, started in mid April,
Speaker 3: he came from the Ajac Landial Constitution. I had told him,
Speaker 3: you know, when you tweet out that you're coming to
Speaker 3: the Athletic and that people are going to now have
Speaker 3: to pay to read you, you're going to get a
Speaker 3: bunch of snarky tweets, just be prepared for that.
Speaker 2: And he really didn't.
Speaker 3: You know, it was really in that short amount of
Speaker 3: time people have come to kind of accept that, you
Speaker 3: know what, Yeah, I mean, that's what we do now.
Speaker 2: We pay for good good not just sports writing.
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of newspapers are now going to
Speaker 3: a much harder paywall. I just thought Bloomberg is going
Speaker 3: to be doing one, Banity Fair is doing one, And
Speaker 3: so what we're seeing is you're right, there will always
Speaker 3: be free.
Speaker 2: Sports writing out there.
Speaker 3: I don't disagree with that notion, but I think where
Speaker 3: we're headed, and I don't know how many years this
Speaker 3: will take, it's going to be the same model, much
Speaker 3: the same model you see in TV, where if I
Speaker 3: wanted to, I could just watch ABC, NBC, CBS and
Speaker 3: Fox for free and they have TV on around the clock.
Speaker 3: Right theoretically, I don't need any more than that, but
Speaker 3: most people pay extra for table and then a lot
Speaker 3: of people pay extra on top of that, HBO, Netflix,
Speaker 3: Amazon Prime, things that are doing what is considered to be,
Speaker 3: you know, high quality TV. And that's that's where we
Speaker 3: have to distinguish ourselves. Has to be really high quality journalism.
Speaker 3: That's where're thanking for.
Speaker 1: The two factors that really seem to be disrupting the
Speaker 1: business of college football are A attendance is dropping, and
Speaker 1: b we've got this whole cord cutting thing going on
Speaker 1: where it seems as if that's accelerating as well now
Speaker 1: that you're kind of in the business of sports media
Speaker 1: on a couple different fronts. Where are we at ten
Speaker 1: years from now, How do you think the landscape will
Speaker 1: have changed in the way that the game is covered,
Speaker 1: in the way that consumers go out there and get
Speaker 1: their college football media.
Speaker 3: Well, the attendance thing is fascinating to me because Michael
Speaker 3: Weinrad wrote a story for US about I Guess a
Speaker 3: month ago now on it, and it was started with
Speaker 3: his kind of first handed count of his own parents,
Speaker 3: who are a long time Penn State season ticket holders,
Speaker 3: who decided they'd had enough and canceled. And the response
Speaker 3: we got to that story, not just in terms of
Speaker 3: how many people read it, but the comments and the
Speaker 3: emails and the tweets of people saying same thing. I'm
Speaker 3: fed up, I've had enough with the it cost so
Speaker 3: much to park and it takes forever to get there,
Speaker 3: or the concessions are terrible or whatnot. You know, all
Speaker 3: getting back to I'm going to stay home and watch
Speaker 3: it in HD on my TV. So I think colleges
Speaker 3: have a real problem there, and I don't think they've
Speaker 3: even begun to figure out how to deal with that
Speaker 3: in terms of cord cutting. You know, it'll be fascinating
Speaker 3: the next time all these conference deals come up. And
Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to be for another five
Speaker 3: or six years. But once the first one comes up,
Speaker 3: which I think is the either the PAC twelve or
Speaker 3: the next big ten deal, they all come up within
Speaker 3: a three or four year span. And who knows who
Speaker 3: the players will be. You know, I'm sure ESPN will
Speaker 3: still be a major player, and Fox will still be
Speaker 3: a major player, but so will Netflix, so will Amazon,
Speaker 3: so my Facebook and Twitter. Who will be actually winning
Speaker 3: the rights to those contracts? You know, I think I
Speaker 3: think we can't really say right now.
Speaker 1: Well, and the question I guess next is does that
Speaker 1: sort of jockeying for rights lead to any kind of
Speaker 1: expanded playoff or any kind of conference alignment? Conference realignment?
Speaker 3: Well, it's crazy, I mean, cord cutting has accelerated, you know,
Speaker 3: so quickly that we're only we're not that far removed
Speaker 3: from the last crazy realignment cycle of twenty or you
Speaker 3: know what, twenty ten, twenty eleven, when.
Speaker 1: People talk about it like it was a blizzard or
Speaker 1: an earthquake, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: But also the main or one of the main reasons
Speaker 3: behind it was cable households. You know, the Big ten
Speaker 3: wanted Rutgers so they could add to the Big ten
Speaker 3: network cable households. And you know when Larry Scott tried
Speaker 3: to make that huge play for the Big twelve teams,
Speaker 3: it was when he was starting the actual network. And
Speaker 3: I say that because by the time that next round
Speaker 3: comes up, that might not be a factor at all.
Speaker 3: That might be in a completely outdated metric how many
Speaker 3: cable households do you have?
Speaker 2: So it could go on in two ways.
Speaker 3: It could be that everybody just says we're happy the
Speaker 3: way we are. We frankly, in some cases went a
Speaker 3: little too far. Last time we got fourteen team conferences.
Speaker 3: That's a really awkward number. So that's the moderate end.
Speaker 3: But it could also be pretty radical. And I've written
Speaker 3: about this. In a world where you're not bound by
Speaker 3: cable households and geographic footprint and whatnot, what's the stop
Speaker 3: Ohio State, USC, Michigan, Texas, Alabama, et cetera, from forming
Speaker 3: their own confederation, their own champions league, if you will,
Speaker 3: right and marketing that product nationally because right now you know,
Speaker 3: it's just kind of a accepted practice. It's been this
Speaker 3: for one hundred years at Ohio State whatever, you know,
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand seeds, stadium, massive TV audience, and all
Speaker 3: that gets shared with Purdue. At some point, aren't they
Speaker 3: going to say, like, wait, wait, we should be keeping
Speaker 3: this money to ourselves.
Speaker 1: Who starts that? Is that? Is that something that athletic
Speaker 1: directors band together and form on the sly or where
Speaker 1: does that come from?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean it can't you know, obviously probably not going
Speaker 3: to come from conference commissioners who want to keep their
Speaker 3: conferences intact, and those tend to be the most powerful
Speaker 3: figures in our sport.
Speaker 1: Jim Delady not dialing that one up.
Speaker 3: I think it would come from Frankly, I think it
Speaker 3: would come from external factors. I think it would come
Speaker 3: from a TV executive somewhere coming to approaching the schools
Speaker 3: preemptively and saying, you know, hey, what would you guys
Speaker 3: think about this? Here's how much money we would pay
Speaker 3: you for this. Maybe things move very slowly in college sports,
Speaker 3: So even though we're still talking about something against eight
Speaker 3: or nine years away, maybe that's still too soon.
Speaker 2: I don't know. And there's other things that will influence that.
Speaker 3: Will the rules about paying athletes change between now and then,
Speaker 3: because if so, that's going to give those schools extra
Speaker 3: incentive to make more revenue and frankly keep more of
Speaker 3: it from themselves because they're the ones that are going
Speaker 3: to have the most marketable athletes.
Speaker 1: Well, specifically now with college football's offseason, do you have
Speaker 1: a favorite story that you've been following so far.
Speaker 3: I know that every year in this time of year,
Speaker 3: certainly in the spring, we're focused on quarterback competitions, so
Speaker 3: that's not necessarily novel, but these are some really unique ones.
Speaker 3: I mean, to go into a season where the defending
Speaker 3: national champions have a competition between the guy who's taken
Speaker 3: them to two straight national title games and the guy
Speaker 3: who came in the second half and won it, I mean,
Speaker 3: that's crazy. Clemson, their quarterback Kelly Bryant takes them to
Speaker 3: the playoff the year after Deshaun Watson leaves, and now
Speaker 3: he's fighting to save his job from the next hot
Speaker 3: shot pressurean same thing at Georgia. These are you know,
Speaker 3: these are high profile programs with very unusual circumstances. Right
Speaker 3: usually when a school has a quarterback competition. It's the
Speaker 3: little clumpson last year right to Shaun Watson leaves who's
Speaker 3: going to be the next guy to replace de Shaan Watson.
Speaker 3: This is the guy who's already proven he can replace
Speaker 3: to John Watson's competing for his job against the next guy.
Speaker 2: Those stories all fascinating me.
Speaker 1: The shape Patterson thing to me at Michigan is sort
Speaker 1: of fascinating because I think much like at Florida, where
Speaker 1: it's always felt like they were a quarterback away from
Speaker 1: getting to a different level, I think the same thought
Speaker 1: almost applies to Michigan. And now Shaye Patterson moves up
Speaker 1: from Ole Miss He of course wins the ruling he's eligible.
Speaker 1: Immediately there's either an assumption that he can take Michigan
Speaker 1: to some new height or that they're going to be
Speaker 1: stuck in this third place vein in the Big ten
Speaker 1: East and it's not going to mean anything. Jim Harbaugh
Speaker 1: is going to wear out as welcome and it's all
Speaker 1: going to go bust.
Speaker 3: I think that's I mean, I think you're right. I
Speaker 3: think that's kind of the states that are about to
Speaker 3: play out. This is this is the no excuses season.
Speaker 3: Now he has a quarterback we've seen him, We've seen
Speaker 3: Shape Patterson play at a very high level in the SEC.
Speaker 2: He is, without question, upgrade from what they've had.
Speaker 3: And and that's not to say that Brandon Peters couldn't
Speaker 3: eventually develop into that kind of player, But I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just find a hard to imagine he's going to
Speaker 3: come out and beat out Shape Patterson. So, I mean,
Speaker 3: offensive line is still a big question mark for them,
Speaker 3: it has been for seemingly many many years now. But
Speaker 3: they have the quarterback, they have good receivers, good running backs,
Speaker 3: great defense, and so you're right. I mean, if it's
Speaker 3: ever going to happen for Harbaugh, it would would think
Speaker 3: it would be this year. And yet you look at
Speaker 3: that schedule and it is absolutely not set up for
Speaker 3: a breakthrough.
Speaker 2: Win kind of season.
Speaker 3: It's an absolutely brutal schedule and they could be a
Speaker 3: better team and still go nine to three. And obviously,
Speaker 3: people like those Ohio State fans, unless they have just
Speaker 3: beaten Ohio State in that will be mocking him for
Speaker 3: being the nine million dollar coach that can't finish higher
Speaker 3: than third.
Speaker 1: Do you think that Harbaugh is truly wearing out his
Speaker 1: welcome at Michigan because there were rumblings towards the end
Speaker 1: of last year that that was already starting to take place,
Speaker 1: and that was kind of his m O at other
Speaker 1: stops that he'd been.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're always going to have that fringe in
Speaker 3: the message boards on mg vlog who aren't happy and
Speaker 3: want to go on to the next guy. But I
Speaker 3: think the bigger picture, reasonable people know how much he
Speaker 3: succeeded his previous stops, how fortunate they were to get him,
Speaker 3: and that it would be kind of ridiculous to blow
Speaker 3: the thing up after four years, you know, just like
Speaker 3: you did with Brady Hope, just like you did with
Speaker 3: rich Rod, Like at some point you got to pick
Speaker 3: a guy and stick with him. Now, I've been watching
Speaker 3: so that Michigan documentary, and you could see what you
Speaker 3: can absolutely see where his act would get old at
Speaker 3: some point. He's well got a lot of cheesy dad cliches,
Speaker 3: to say the least. But I didn't since, and I
Speaker 3: know it's an edited down product or not seeing everything,
Speaker 3: but I didn't get any sense that the players had
Speaker 3: tuned out on him or anything like that. They just
Speaker 3: so many of their problems last year were because of
Speaker 3: that quarterback. Situation, so it'll be interesting to see how
Speaker 3: it plays out this year.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 3: He's not on the hot seat. He's not going to
Speaker 3: get fired if figure eight and four next year. But
Speaker 3: I'm also not naive enough to think that Michigan nothing
Speaker 3: offends Michigan fans more than than anybody who dares to
Speaker 3: suggest that he would go back to the NFL.
Speaker 2: Right, you know, come on, don't be naive.
Speaker 3: Like people have blown off their alma maters under plenty
Speaker 3: of circumstances. And if he feels like he's worn out
Speaker 3: his welcome, then certainly that's a possibility.
Speaker 1: Have enjoyed following the trip to France, and maybe not
Speaker 1: for the reasons you'd expect. You can't avoid it if
Speaker 1: you read about college football in the off season, especially
Speaker 1: not now, because if you go on like ESPN dot com,
Speaker 1: there are at least fifteen Michigan logos in their news
Speaker 1: feed about what's going on on their trip abroad. But
Speaker 1: there's part of me. We've been making fun of Harbaugh
Speaker 1: on this show for a long time, and not because
Speaker 1: he doesn't win, not because he's obviously a great coach,
Speaker 1: but he's just he's always had this awkward quality to him,
Speaker 1: and I find it amusing because I think that awkward
Speaker 1: quality probably plays well in a country that doesn't natively
Speaker 1: speak English.
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I'm experiencing this a little differently
Speaker 3: I think than you are. I. I you know, I
Speaker 3: definitely remember following every minute of that Italy trip last year, and.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. I forgot that went to Italy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this one just kind of snuck up on me, like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's right. He did say they were going to go
Speaker 3: to France, didn't he right? And I think that's a
Speaker 3: sign of, you know, how much interest people have lost
Speaker 3: in that program from last year to this year for
Speaker 3: an eighteen five seasons. But you're probably I think you're
Speaker 3: right about that. I mean, French, there's nothing more awkward
Speaker 3: than French humor, right right, exactly trying to figure out
Speaker 3: and I've been there many times, trying to figure out
Speaker 3: what they're going to find funny. They probably think he's
Speaker 3: hilarious exactly.
Speaker 1: That's my point. All right, let's talk about the SEC
Speaker 1: because another big offseason story has obviously been the coaching
Speaker 1: turnover you had Jimbo Fisher, Jeremy Prue At, Joe moorehead,
Speaker 1: Dan Mullin, Chad Morris, Matt Luke. You've also got some
Speaker 1: assistant hires, top flight assistant hires, and Mike Elko at
Speaker 1: a and M and John Chavis at Arkansas. Josh Gaddis
Speaker 1: stolen away from my alma mater, Penn State, now coaching
Speaker 1: wide receivers at Bama. What is your sense for how
Speaker 1: the conference shakes out this year? And I asked that
Speaker 1: not because I don't already assume that Alabama is going
Speaker 1: to be the top dog, but whenever you've got a
Speaker 1: situation like this in a premiere conference with so many
Speaker 1: new coaches, that always tends to be ripe for a
Speaker 1: bunch of surprises. Do you do you think we see
Speaker 1: a surprise out of any of those programs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you almost have to, because you know,
Speaker 3: you look at the draft this past.
Speaker 2: Weekend and once again the SEC had the most players taken.
Speaker 3: And that's despite the fact that if you were to,
Speaker 3: you know, recap the SEC last season, it was three teams,
Speaker 3: So it was Alabama, Georgia, and Auburn. Those were really
Speaker 3: good teams that the first two more so than Auburn,
Speaker 3: So Auburn bet both of them but they didn't produce
Speaker 3: all those NFL players. Florida still had guys taken, LSU
Speaker 3: still had guys taken. So we know there's that, you know,
Speaker 3: the talents there, and some schools needed a new coach.
Speaker 3: So you know, I put in my past spring top
Speaker 3: twenty five. I just took a flyer on Florida. Why
Speaker 3: not they? I feel like last season they just it
Speaker 3: just their season ended about halfway through the year, when
Speaker 3: when all the awkwardness of Jim mcloine and the death
Speaker 3: threats and like, once that happened, they just it just
Speaker 3: seemed like they threw in the towel.
Speaker 1: It wasn't so much like a defined ending as much
Speaker 1: as it just stopped.
Speaker 2: People stopped paying attention.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just dropped off a cliff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like people watched the Florida Tennessee game. I remember
Speaker 3: watching the Kentucky game where Kentucky completely blew it, and
Speaker 3: then by the Georgia game, it was just like, all right,
Speaker 3: we've had enough of them and Florida. Florida and Florida
Speaker 3: State played a football game last year and I'm not
Speaker 3: sure anybody saw it outside of the stadium. So anyway,
Speaker 3: I think they could be a much improved team. We know,
Speaker 3: you know, unlike a Jeremy Pruitt who's a first time
Speaker 3: paid coach, or even Joe Moore head was the first time,
Speaker 3: first time sec or for some FBS head coach. We
Speaker 3: know what we're getting with Dan Mullen, So I could
Speaker 3: I could see that team having success right off the bat.
Speaker 3: I could see A and M with Jimbo Fisher doing
Speaker 3: that to some degree, though quarterbacks a question there. And also,
Speaker 3: much like we talked about with Michigan, A and M
Speaker 3: plays Clompson in Alabama in the first four weeks of
Speaker 3: the season.
Speaker 2: That's rough. So I don't know.
Speaker 3: Florida could that surprise team. A and M could be
Speaker 3: that surprise team?
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 3: I really like Mississippi State, but they're not a total surprise.
Speaker 3: They were top twenty five team last year, so you know,
Speaker 3: I think it'll be. I do think it'll be a
Speaker 3: little deeper than last year. Maybe Alabama's still dominant, and
Speaker 3: maybe even Georgia too, but maybe a little bit more
Speaker 3: of a middle class which just was not in that
Speaker 3: which the conference just didn't have last year.
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Speaker 1: Now you got to talk to me about Chip Kelly, because,
Speaker 1: first off, Dan and I have debated for a couple
Speaker 1: weeks and months now about what we think the new
Speaker 1: chip Kelly system is going to look like at UCLA.
Speaker 1: But furthermore, I gotta say, after he left Oregon to
Speaker 1: go to the NFL, and then after it very clearly
Speaker 1: was going south in the NFL, it just felt like
Speaker 1: people in college football circles were talking endlessly about when
Speaker 1: would Chip Kelly go back to the college game now
Speaker 1: that he's there. I don't know if it's because there
Speaker 1: were so many other high profile coaching moves this offseason,
Speaker 1: or what it almost feels to me like it hasn't
Speaker 1: gotten enough press.
Speaker 2: No, there's a reason for that.
Speaker 3: He has. He has completely shut off access to himself
Speaker 3: in that program. He has not allowed a single Bruce
Speaker 3: s Feldman or Andy Staples or whoever to come to
Speaker 3: a sit down interview with him.
Speaker 2: He has.
Speaker 3: I don't know if the assistants have either. There's just
Speaker 3: you know, you think, oh you seel a la major
Speaker 3: media market. Well, they always get kind of second fiddle
Speaker 3: treatment to begin with the USC and if you can't
Speaker 3: talk to anybody there, then they're going to get no treatment.
Speaker 3: So I'm sure that's by design. I know that they're
Speaker 3: probably not having very good team this year. Maybe he's
Speaker 3: tempering expectations a little bit, but you know he's not.
Speaker 3: He's not out there doing the booster circuit by any means.
Speaker 3: So all that does is add mystery to it. I'm
Speaker 3: as fascinated as the next person to see what what
Speaker 3: chip Kelly College chip Kelly two point oh looks like.
Speaker 3: I think we'll probably see, you know, at its core,
Speaker 3: it will still be the Oregon offense, but with a
Speaker 3: lot of NFL influence thrown in there.
Speaker 2: Guys still think it was the home run higher.
Speaker 3: Whoever would end up getting him would be making the
Speaker 3: home run higher of this past coaching carousel, and UCLA
Speaker 3: won those sweepstakes, and I think they'll do well, but
Speaker 3: I don't think it'll be an instant, instant impact kind
Speaker 3: of thing, like when he got to Oregon and Dennis
Speaker 3: Dixon was already there and Jonathan Stewart was already there
Speaker 3: and he had a lot of success right.
Speaker 2: Off the bat.
Speaker 1: So you think you would rate chip Kelly to UCLA
Speaker 1: higher than someone like Jimbo Fisher to A and M.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because chip Kelly is.
Speaker 3: So much of it is about I mean, the whole
Speaker 3: Jimbo to A and M thing still feels a little
Speaker 3: weird to me. I'm sure I'll get over it at
Speaker 3: some point, but he has no ties whatsoever to there.
Speaker 3: They're paying forwenty five million dollars. It's have you noticed
Speaker 3: that this offseason whenever they show Jimbo Fisher, he's wearing
Speaker 3: like a blazer and a button down shirt that's unbuttoned
Speaker 3: at the top.
Speaker 2: So you can like, it's.
Speaker 1: He's getting paid all that money. Now, how are you
Speaker 1: gonna spare?
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm not I'm not trying to make
Speaker 3: any bold predictions here, but no, I mean, I think
Speaker 3: chip Kelly is unique. He's one of the most innovative
Speaker 3: coaches that we've seen come through, and generally speaking, those guys,
Speaker 3: those guys, it's not lightning in a bottle. They're able
Speaker 3: to do it again at the next stop. You know,
Speaker 3: Chris Pearson is a good example, you know, one of
Speaker 3: the one of the great coaches in this sport in
Speaker 3: this era, and he found You know, if Chris Peterson
Speaker 3: had gone to Alabama, would he have the same kist
Speaker 3: success he had at Boise.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's impossible for me to picture him in the SEC.
Speaker 3: But when it was Washington, I remember everybody felt like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, that makes sense and chip Kelly back in
Speaker 3: the Pack twelve because I remember Florida fans thought they
Speaker 3: had him.
Speaker 2: They chip Kelly Florida coach. Done deal.
Speaker 3: And I kept saying, I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 3: if he wants to go there. He probably wants to
Speaker 3: be in the in the Pac twelve if he can,
Speaker 3: and that's what happens.
Speaker 2: So it's a good spot for him.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think he'll be instant impact because
Speaker 1: it's going to take him a little bit to build
Speaker 1: up his program. I think the Jimbo thing is interesting
Speaker 1: because he actually has a lot of youth that he
Speaker 1: can work with. But the two in particular we talked
Speaker 1: about Joe moorehead in Mississippi State. We just think on
Speaker 1: this show anyway, we've talked about how we think that's
Speaker 1: a really good schematic fit. But I think Scott Frost
Speaker 1: and Nebraska is potentially the situation I'm most interested in
Speaker 1: because you know, that's a hungry fan base looking to
Speaker 1: restore the glory. They bring back a former player who
Speaker 1: clearly wanted to be there. It does seem like he's
Speaker 1: making a pretty big impact right away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know what, I'm going to take back
Speaker 3: what I said earlier, Chip is the one a to
Speaker 3: Scott Frost and Nebraska as the number one home run
Speaker 3: higher of this past offseason.
Speaker 2: That's very specific to that.
Speaker 1: It's such a good fit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the perfect fit, and frankly one that I
Speaker 3: didn't know he for sure that he would do.
Speaker 2: I mean, it turned out.
Speaker 3: After the fact that he was a done deal for weeks,
Speaker 3: but at the time there was a lot of well,
Speaker 3: I don't know, he might feel like he has a
Speaker 3: better chance to win national championships at Florida, and he
Speaker 3: might off for Florida over Nebraska. But he went home
Speaker 3: and he's I mean, the excitement is off the charts.
Speaker 3: There's you know, I know several writers who went to
Speaker 3: Nebraska this spring. They said there's forty to fifty reporters
Speaker 3: at every spring practice. It's the people cannot get enough
Speaker 3: about Scott Frost and the Huskers right now.
Speaker 2: How good are they going to be this coming season?
Speaker 3: I think they certainly have a better talent on hand
Speaker 3: than than U.
Speaker 2: S LA does right now.
Speaker 3: But it's not top twenty five quite yet, but that'll
Speaker 3: happen pretty soon, and he's going to give them an identity.
Speaker 3: They're going to be basically the organ of the Midwest.
Speaker 3: And that's something that Nebraska has been lacking for this
Speaker 3: entire century. I mean basically since they went away from
Speaker 3: the triple option, which was their hallmark. What has the
Speaker 3: identity of Nebraska football been? I mean, for for the
Speaker 3: only thing I could come up with this for a while,
Speaker 3: there was the screaming mad man on the sidelines. That
Speaker 3: was what people knew most about Nebraska football. So that
Speaker 3: was a great hire and that, you know, I think
Speaker 3: that took me a little bit by surprise that it
Speaker 3: did end up happening but now that it did, you
Speaker 3: know you're definitely seeing seeing it pay off.
Speaker 1: Do you have a general sense for the direction of
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve this year because it feels like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of turnover.
Speaker 3: I think it feels a little bit more wide open
Speaker 3: for a simple reason. Baker Mayfield's gone and Bob Stoops
Speaker 3: for that matter.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not.
Speaker 3: Taking any the thing away from Lincoln Riley, but you
Speaker 3: know now is when when the real challenge for him
Speaker 3: begins life after the number one pick.
Speaker 2: So you know they've they've.
Speaker 3: Dominated that conference for the last three years when they
Speaker 3: had this transcending quarterback. And so does that open the
Speaker 3: door this year if they have a step back, and
Speaker 3: I think that's inevitable. How much for a step back,
Speaker 3: I don't know, But the unrealistic Kyler Murray will come
Speaker 3: in and do all the things Baker Mayfield did. That
Speaker 3: open in the door for a West Virginia for a
Speaker 3: TCU who I'm really high on.
Speaker 2: At Kansas State.
Speaker 3: I don't think Texas is ready to contend for a
Speaker 3: Big Twelve title yet, but I am interested to see
Speaker 3: what kind of progress they make.
Speaker 1: Do I understand correctly that you're not gung Ho in
Speaker 1: Florida State.
Speaker 3: Well, I didn't have him in the spring top twenty five,
Speaker 3: if that's sure to I had him just outside of it.
Speaker 3: And that was actually, let me think for a second,
Speaker 3: I think I had them in the one in January
Speaker 3: because there was this expectation that you know, Jimbo had
Speaker 3: punted on the last part of that season and once
Speaker 3: they get your under here, basically like once they get
Speaker 3: DeAndre france Will back, they'll be in much better shape.
Speaker 2: But it turns out the Andre Francois was selling drugs.
Speaker 3: And I don't know who the quarterback's gonna end up
Speaker 3: being there, but that that did not you know, that
Speaker 3: was not exactly the best sign for Willy Taggart's first
Speaker 3: team at Florida State.
Speaker 1: Do you like the higher though of Wily Taggart at
Speaker 1: Florida State?
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 3: I think he's a good coach. Obviously his career has
Speaker 3: taken off. Great recruiter, and again it's one of those
Speaker 3: things where Willie tagger to Oregon was kind.
Speaker 2: Of brandom in terms of which school.
Speaker 3: I mean, he was going to go to a Power
Speaker 3: five school, but he really had no ties to that
Speaker 3: part of the country.
Speaker 2: But he grew up a big FSU fan.
Speaker 3: He was just coaching in that state two years ago,
Speaker 3: so that hiring makes sense for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 1: All Right, my final question here, two questions actually for you.
Speaker 1: We got one on Twitter from Andy Staples, and he
Speaker 1: poses a very interesting dilemma. Some forty one in Newfound
Speaker 1: Glory are playing at the same time but different venues.
Speaker 1: Which one of those two shows do you attend? Assuming
Speaker 1: you can't make it to both.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw that, and I gotta be honest. So
Speaker 3: I was a huge pop punk fan in the days,
Speaker 3: but certain bands have.
Speaker 2: Remained in my memory more than others.
Speaker 3: And I have to say, when I saw his tweet,
Speaker 3: it's like I hadn't thought of some forty one. I
Speaker 3: hadn't forgotten some forty one existed until that tweet. That
Speaker 3: they are so far off the radar for me. But
Speaker 3: I do still love Newfound Glory, so that wouldn't be
Speaker 3: very that wouldn't be a tough choice.
Speaker 1: I went back and listened to Fat Lip.
Speaker 2: That's funny. So did I.
Speaker 1: Into Deep a few of those songs that you can
Speaker 1: get pretty quickly on Spotify. It doesn't hold up, does it?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, really, don't hold up the way that it was
Speaker 1: just that one album, right. I remember being totally taken
Speaker 1: by All Killer, No Filler, and then years later to
Speaker 1: go back and listen to it Newfound Glory. Their stuff
Speaker 1: had much more staying power.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I can't really explain why that is, but
Speaker 3: you're absolutely right. A band that that gets no credit
Speaker 3: in that era, and they may have been toward the
Speaker 3: tail end of that era is something corporate. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: if you listen to them now, like that could be
Speaker 3: a popular band right now, some forty one probably would
Speaker 3: not get a record deal.
Speaker 1: Well, you you're also pretty into the whole tailor swift thing.
Speaker 3: Well, that's the things you get older. You become lazy man.
Speaker 3: You're not really like actively seeking out music the way
Speaker 3: you were when you were nineteen, and so you start
Speaker 3: consuming it more. I guess I shouldn't assume everybody this way,
Speaker 3: but me personally, I just become more and more passive
Speaker 3: about it. So you just you just hear Taylor's fist
Speaker 3: songs by Osmosis and you're like, oh, those are catchy.
Speaker 1: What I'm going to do after I hang up with
Speaker 1: you is I'm randomly going to call Mama. H up.
Speaker 1: Every time I go over there. She's got t swift plan.
Speaker 3: I went to her show at Levi Stadium on the
Speaker 3: last tour and I just saw and it was great.
Speaker 3: But I just saw an ad that she's playing there again.
Speaker 3: I think in next weekend or the weekend after.
Speaker 1: Would you would you go again?
Speaker 2: Would I go again?
Speaker 3: I think that was one of those ones where you've
Speaker 3: seen it once, you've seen it, and I don't need
Speaker 3: to see her play those songs again. The band that
Speaker 3: I just keep going back to the band from when
Speaker 3: I was nineteen years old is Weezer. I saw them
Speaker 3: there's a I live five minutes from Shoreline Amphitheater in
Speaker 3: Mountain View. They played there two years ago and I went,
Speaker 3: and they're playing this summer and I bought the tickets
Speaker 3: months ago, and it's for people of my age. It's
Speaker 3: just like the perfect billing. It's them with the Pixies.
Speaker 3: That's a great one.
Speaker 2: I don't even know.
Speaker 3: Why the whether the pixie should be the opening act,
Speaker 3: the or the headliner.
Speaker 1: I saw Weezer about two years ago here in Bethlehem
Speaker 1: at Music Fest, and I came away a little underwhelmed.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, we're slightly different age, and there's a
Speaker 3: study recently about it was pretty fascinating. I'll try to
Speaker 3: sum it up as quickly as I can. They used
Speaker 3: Spotify's data to figure out like, for instance, let's sake
Speaker 3: the sweater song like, based on that study, the people
Speaker 3: who download that or listen to that stream that song
Speaker 3: the most are people my age, people who were nineteen
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety five. And then if you were to
Speaker 3: pick another song that was really popular in two thousand
Speaker 3: and two, the people that download that the most are
Speaker 3: people who were seventeen, eighteen, nineteen year olds years old
Speaker 3: in that year. It's like your music tastes kind of
Speaker 3: cement themselves forever around that age time.
Speaker 1: All right. Well, he is the frontman of the All
Speaker 1: American on the Athletic family of websites. His name is
Speaker 1: Stuart Mandel. Also check out his podcast that he does
Speaker 1: with our friend Bruce Felban. It's called The Audible as
Speaker 1: always really good stuff and it's good to have you
Speaker 1: back on the show. It's been far too long, so
Speaker 1: wish you nothing but the best with the venture. Keep
Speaker 1: doing what you're doing and we'll have to talk again soon.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much, ty I always enjoy coming on here
Speaker 3: and we'll talk again soon.
Speaker 1: All right, again, that's Stuart Mandel. You can find him
Speaker 1: over on the All American as part of the Athletics
Speaker 1: Network of Great Sports websites. I mentioned at the end
Speaker 1: that I was going to call Mama h to talk
Speaker 1: about Taylor Swift. Let's let's actually give her a call
Speaker 1: here and see if she has anything controversial to say. Hello, Mom, Yes,
Speaker 1: you're actually on the podcast.
Speaker 4: Okay, what are we talking about?
Speaker 1: Let's talk about tilor Swift?
Speaker 4: What would you like to talk about Taylor Swift? She
Speaker 4: hasn't been in the news much lately, although she'll be
Speaker 4: starting her reputation tour. I suppose it was very soon.
Speaker 1: I need someone to talk to. I talked to Stuart Mandel,
Speaker 1: you know Stu.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I know who that is. Yeah, And he.
Speaker 1: Was telling me about a show he went to see,
Speaker 1: a Taylor Swift show at Levi Stadium.
Speaker 4: Okay, did he say which one it was?
Speaker 1: Which show?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Like which album he went to?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think it was a war.
Speaker 1: I think it was a couple of years ago. Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: what are your what are your top three songs off
Speaker 1: the New Tailor.
Speaker 4: Album off the New Tailor a.
Speaker 1: Reputation because if we tried to power rank all of them,
Speaker 1: we'd be here forever. But everyone on the show, everyone
Speaker 1: who listens to the show, knows that you're pretty big
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift fan. So he started talking Taylor Swift, and
Speaker 1: it jogged my memory. I'm thinking I should call mom.
Speaker 1: So what are your top three top three songs from
Speaker 1: the album?
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I actually liked Reputation, the song.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: I liked end Game because I like anything she does
Speaker 4: with ed sheering.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm writing these down the way.
Speaker 4: And then it's either Delicate or Gorgeous. I don't know
Speaker 4: which one, you know. The Delicate video just kind of
Speaker 4: came out not too long ago, which was kind of intriguing.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen any of the videos, but Delicate's an
Speaker 1: underrated song.
Speaker 2: I'll give you that.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, how about Gorgeous?
Speaker 1: I don't know that one. That one doesn't jog my memory.
Speaker 4: Well, in the very beginning of it, well, I don't know.
Speaker 4: They just they they say it's about her new boyfriend
Speaker 4: or whatever. You know. So, but you know, I listened
Speaker 4: to them and as I learned the words or whatever
Speaker 4: to them, I end up liking most of them, so,
Speaker 4: you know. And I think though they were saying that
Speaker 4: with the tour that she's going on now, like you can,
Speaker 4: you can pick out some of her songs that she's
Speaker 4: going back to some of her country roots, like when
Speaker 4: she started in the very beginning, one of her first albums.
Speaker 4: I think I like the Story, the song love Story,
Speaker 4: which was pretty popular. I think that was one of
Speaker 4: the songs in the very beginning that made her very famous.
Speaker 1: You know, well, see, now you're not a country music fan,
Speaker 1: so this is like a natural dilemma.
Speaker 4: He's not a twangy country person. She never was, Okay,
Speaker 4: I mean, she definitely has her roots in country, but
Speaker 4: there's I mean I like listening to her. I like
Speaker 4: Keith Urban. I mean he's country too, but he's not
Speaker 4: country country, you know what I mean. It's like, you know,
Speaker 4: they're not the cars aren't crashing and they're drinking their
Speaker 4: beer and whatever. It's just it's a different kind of country, right,
Speaker 4: And so I mean I like him, I like her,
Speaker 4: I like you know, I mean, I'm not a big
Speaker 4: country fan, I'll be honest with you, but she when
Speaker 4: she moved like you know, into pop and everything. I
Speaker 4: think that keeps her really fresh. You know, she's not
Speaker 4: staying stuck in one genre. You know, some people complained
Speaker 4: about that, but I actually and I enjoy her music.
Speaker 1: I don't know, So let's go here, let's close out here.
Speaker 1: What are you? What are you listening too lately? On
Speaker 1: on your speaker on Spotify.
Speaker 4: You're not gonna believe this, okay, or maybe you will
Speaker 4: believe it. I don't know. I just I saw the
Speaker 4: movie The Greatest Showman.
Speaker 1: I love yah Hugh Jackman.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I love listening to music that is from an
Speaker 4: original motion picture. And I love the music from I
Speaker 4: love the music from that, and I could just keep
Speaker 4: listening to it over and over again. I'm always amazed
Speaker 4: at Hugh Jackman's ability to do what he does. I mean,
Speaker 4: from The Wolverine to lay Miz to now this Pet Barnum.
Speaker 4: But the music is all original. I listened to that
Speaker 4: a lot. And I'll tell you what else I listened to.
Speaker 4: I loved La La Land. And so when i'm you know,
Speaker 4: when I'm working in the kitchen or cleaning or whatever,
Speaker 4: I'll ask my my I'll ask my Alexa to please
Speaker 4: play the music from certain motion pictures and a lot
Speaker 4: of times. Of course it's the musicals, you know.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I like that.
Speaker 4: I always like listening to Ed Sheeranto, you know, I
Speaker 4: like his music, and that would be me.
Speaker 2: All right, mama, So are we are?
Speaker 4: We signing off? Now?
Speaker 1: We're going to sign off. I'll I'm sure I'll talk
Speaker 1: to you later.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, Haunt, thanks for calling. All right, take
Speaker 4: care you too, Bye bye.
Speaker 1: All right. There you have it, a little bit of
Speaker 1: a left turn bringing Mama H into the show here.
Speaker 1: Hope everyone enjoyed it. Big thanks to Stuart Mandel again
Speaker 1: from the All American Big thanks to Mama H for
Speaker 1: talking a little music. Big thanks to all of you
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