1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid Verbal. 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: I'm that for me. I'm a man, I'm forty. 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 3: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 3: be happy, you want to be happy for dake Ado State? 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: Is that whoo whoom? And Dan and Tye welcome back 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: to the Solid Verbal. Boys and girls. My name is 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: ty hilden Brandt. Dan Rubinstein actually not joining me this evening. 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: I got the week off last week, and so it's 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: only fair that Dan would take his turn this week. 10 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: He will be back with me next week, I promise. 11 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: But in the meantime, it was my duty to go 12 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: out and find an esteemed guests to bring on the show. 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: As you know, a week ago Dan interviewed our friend 14 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: Bruce Felban, one half of the Audible podcast. So this week, 15 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: why not continue the trend. I'm going to bring Stuart Mandel, 16 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: the other half of the Audible podcast, back on the show. 17 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: It's been a long time actually since we had Stu 18 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: on the podcast, and that's not for any reason. We 19 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: love Stu. It just hasn't worked out. And in case 20 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: he didn't know, he's also been a very very busy man. 21 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: He has now become the frontman for the All American 22 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: which is part of the athletics push into sports media, 23 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: more specifically college football. So Stu's been a busy guy. 24 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: I want to talk to him about that. I want 25 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: to talk to him about some other topical college football 26 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: items that some folks have emailed in about over the 27 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: last week or so. And also I put out a 28 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: call on Twitter a short while ago to get some 29 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: questions for him, and we'll talk about some of those 30 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: as well. I also may have a surprise for everyone 31 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: at the end of the podcast, so make sure you 32 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: listen the full way through. 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And if you like 42 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: and listen to the show, we know you will be too. 43 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: Without further Ado let's talk to our friend Stuart Mandel 44 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: from the All American and the Athletic All right, joining 45 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: me now an a steamed guest of the program. His 46 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 1: name is Stuart Mandel. You know him from the All 47 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: American on the Athletic family of sports websites. Stu, how 48 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: are you great, Ty? 49 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 2: How are you? 50 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: I'm doing well. You've been a busy guy since the 51 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: last time we had you on the show. 52 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a much busier role that I've taken on 53 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 3: now where I'm both writing and managing an entire enterprise. 54 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: But it's a good kind of busy. 55 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: All right, talk me through this, because what was it? 56 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: Last year? Fox Sports decides rather infamously that they're going 57 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: to try this whole pivot to video thing that leaves you, 58 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: that leaves a bunch of other talented individuals kind of 59 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: on the outside looking in. You're in this place where 60 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: you've obviously got a lot of name recognition within the 61 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: college football community, among college football fans. Presumably you're like 62 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: looking for a steady source of income like the rest 63 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 1: of us. What happens next? 64 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 3: Well, so the Fox pivot to video didn't become public 65 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 3: until late June of last year. But we myself rust Ballman, 66 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 3: we knew about it. We knew that's where it was headed. 67 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: Nody had outwardly come out and said, like, you guys 68 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 3: won't have a place to write, but we knew that 69 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 3: was where it was headed, probably from mid January, so 70 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: I'd had a lot of time to, you know, both 71 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 3: think about what I wanted to do next, and. 72 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: Obviously started talking to people. 73 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 3: And then in the course of that, I think it 74 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 3: was late April, ESPN had their massive layoffs. S I 75 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 3: laid off a bunch of good people, and it was 76 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: just so depressing in our industry at that time. It 77 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: felt like the whole thing was just dying. And I 78 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 3: just kept saying to myself, it doesn't make any sense. 79 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 3: There's still a huge demand for what we do. People 80 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 3: are voraciously consuming written sports journalism. If Fox or ESPN 81 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 3: or whoever can't figure out how to make a good business 82 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 3: model out of that, like somebody else should, and fortuitously, 83 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 3: that's what the Athletic was starting to do at that time. Now, 84 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 3: at that time, they were only in a few local markets. 85 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,799 Speaker 3: They hadn't really attempted to do anything on a national level, 86 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 3: but they saw an opportunity. 87 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 2: They talked to Seth Davis for that college basketball. 88 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 3: Site as soon as he became available, and then it 89 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 3: was just a lot of good fortune in that I 90 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 3: live here in the Bay Area. They're based in San Francisco. 91 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,239 Speaker 3: I had already really started sketching out what a college 92 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 3: football vertical would look like. It's something that myself and 93 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 3: Dan Uthman, who's our managing editor who came from USA today, 94 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 3: had kind of talked about in theory for a long time, 95 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 3: and when I was going through my transition, if you will, period, 96 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 3: I really started putting more thought into it. So it 97 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 3: all came together very quickly because it's something I was 98 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 3: already thinking about, it's something this company was already heading toward, 99 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 3: and it all you know, next thing I knew, I 100 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 3: went from writing doing much the same thing I've been 101 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 3: doing for my whole career to getting hired and then 102 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 3: immediately turning around and start hiring other people. 103 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: So is it fair to say that you're the frontman 104 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: of this operator? Were you a frontman in your band 105 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: in college? 106 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 3: By the way, No, that's I was the guitarist and 107 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 3: I kind of consciously avoided being the front man. 108 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: Did you secretly want to be the front man back then. 109 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 3: Well, I think everybody, whether they're whether they're in a 110 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 3: band or not, right, everybody fantasizes about being the lead 111 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 3: singer of the front man, the ultimate rock star. But 112 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 3: I was also very very much aware of the fact 113 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 3: that I could not sing to save my life. 114 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: So it was never it was never really a realistic option. 115 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: In this case, you can write, and you do have 116 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: some degree of credibility within the college. 117 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 3: Thinking Eddie man Halen maybe the only guitarist who's the 118 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 3: actual frontman of a or the most recognized person from 119 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 3: a band. 120 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 2: But anyway, it's not just the writing. 121 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 3: I just I've been you know, well, I've been writing 122 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 3: and also just kind of being part of college football 123 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 3: on the internet and the digital space basically almost since 124 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 3: the start of the internet, since the nine and I 125 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 3: felt like I had a pretty good pulse of what 126 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 3: fans want, what's worked for me. Over the years, Increasingly 127 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 3: we've seen the direction some sice are going in that 128 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 3: I frankly just kind of could tell anecdotally, like people 129 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 3: are kind of turned off by this, People are turned 130 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 3: off by auto play videos. Why do you guys keep 131 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 3: doing it? And so That's why I really like the 132 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 3: athletics approach. And I guess I did have kind of 133 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 3: an entrepreneurial spirit, Like every so often I would always 134 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 3: have like kind of hair brained business ideas in my 135 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 3: head that I just never quite followed through on. This one, obviously, 136 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 3: is one where you actually or I could actually bring 137 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 3: something to the table. 138 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 2: I have that. 139 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 3: I think the startup lingo is what's your unfair advantage? 140 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 3: And I guess my unfair advantage was just having a 141 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 3: lot of experience and a lot of relationships built up 142 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 3: in this space. 143 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: And a lot of pop punk and emo knowledge right 144 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: to boot. 145 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: Do you know that hasn't really come in handy in 146 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 3: this new job yet, but hopefully soon. 147 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: Do you find that you're watching a lot more Shark 148 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: Tank now that you're officially an entrepreneur. 149 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 3: I think the thing that not Shark Tank, I mean 150 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 3: being in Silicon Valley obviously. I mean I was watching 151 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 3: to show Silicon Valley before, as long before I was 152 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: involved with this company, But this season has just felt 153 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 3: so much different. It's just, you know, it's real life now. 154 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 3: And then you know, I don't think this is a coincidence. 155 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 3: You ever heard the Gimlet podcast startup of course, Yeah, yeah. 156 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 3: I listened to that probably within a few months of 157 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 3: when I first kind of got aware of the Athletic. 158 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 3: So when I had those first conversations with the founders, 159 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 3: I could at least speak a little bit of their lingo, 160 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 3: a little bit of startup speak. 161 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 2: It's cool. 162 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 3: I find that I really enjoy much more than I 163 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 3: would have imagined the business side of it, and it's 164 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 3: actually taken up a lot more of my time than 165 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 3: I would have guessed. Like I just kind of naively thought, Okay, 166 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 3: we'll get the thing up and running. 167 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: Dan Uthman is. 168 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 3: The guy who actually does the day to day editing 169 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 3: of the stories and coordinating with the writers. I'll just 170 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 3: be a writer that happens to have an editor in 171 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 3: chief title. That no, like, there's so many from a 172 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 3: strategic standpoint, from an operation standpoint, there's so many things 173 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 3: that come up on a day to day basis. 174 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: And now we're hiring again. So it's just like last 175 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: summer all over again. 176 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 3: I spent find myself spending a lot of time on 177 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: the phone with prospective candidate. 178 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: Let me play Devil's advocate for a second, because you 179 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: talked a little bit about what the fans want. I 180 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: think there's always going to be someone out there covering 181 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: college football for free. And I guess I should say 182 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 1: probably because we don't know where this whole thing is 183 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: headed ten years from now. But I guess my point is, 184 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: is a subscription model sustainable. 185 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 3: It's amazing, it's sustainable. And what's amazing is how quickly 186 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 3: it's become normalized. When we got this thing off the 187 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 3: ground a year ago that, yeah, I mean, there was 188 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 3: still a whole lot of why would I pay for this? 189 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 3: You know, you guys are crazy. You're so many places 190 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 3: you can get this for free. And I noticed that 191 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 3: when Seth Emerson, our new Georgia writer, started in mid April, 192 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 3: he came from the Ajac Landial Constitution. I had told him, 193 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 3: you know, when you tweet out that you're coming to 194 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 3: the Athletic and that people are going to now have 195 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,599 Speaker 3: to pay to read you, you're going to get a 196 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 3: bunch of snarky tweets, just be prepared for that. 197 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 2: And he really didn't. 198 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 3: You know, it was really in that short amount of 199 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 3: time people have come to kind of accept that, you 200 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 3: know what, Yeah, I mean, that's what we do now. 201 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: We pay for good good not just sports writing. 202 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 3: I mean a lot of newspapers are now going to 203 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 3: a much harder paywall. I just thought Bloomberg is going 204 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 3: to be doing one, Banity Fair is doing one, And 205 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 3: so what we're seeing is you're right, there will always 206 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 3: be free. 207 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: Sports writing out there. 208 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 3: I don't disagree with that notion, but I think where 209 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 3: we're headed, and I don't know how many years this 210 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 3: will take, it's going to be the same model, much 211 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 3: the same model you see in TV, where if I 212 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 3: wanted to, I could just watch ABC, NBC, CBS and 213 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 3: Fox for free and they have TV on around the clock. 214 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 3: Right theoretically, I don't need any more than that, but 215 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 3: most people pay extra for table and then a lot 216 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 3: of people pay extra on top of that, HBO, Netflix, 217 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 3: Amazon Prime, things that are doing what is considered to be, 218 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 3: you know, high quality TV. And that's that's where we 219 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 3: have to distinguish ourselves. Has to be really high quality journalism. 220 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 3: That's where're thanking for. 221 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 1: The two factors that really seem to be disrupting the 222 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: business of college football are A attendance is dropping, and 223 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: b we've got this whole cord cutting thing going on 224 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: where it seems as if that's accelerating as well now 225 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: that you're kind of in the business of sports media 226 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: on a couple different fronts. Where are we at ten 227 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: years from now, How do you think the landscape will 228 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: have changed in the way that the game is covered, 229 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: in the way that consumers go out there and get 230 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: their college football media. 231 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 3: Well, the attendance thing is fascinating to me because Michael 232 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 3: Weinrad wrote a story for US about I Guess a 233 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 3: month ago now on it, and it was started with 234 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 3: his kind of first handed count of his own parents, 235 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 3: who are a long time Penn State season ticket holders, 236 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 3: who decided they'd had enough and canceled. And the response 237 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 3: we got to that story, not just in terms of 238 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 3: how many people read it, but the comments and the 239 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 3: emails and the tweets of people saying same thing. I'm 240 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 3: fed up, I've had enough with the it cost so 241 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 3: much to park and it takes forever to get there, 242 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 3: or the concessions are terrible or whatnot. You know, all 243 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 3: getting back to I'm going to stay home and watch 244 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 3: it in HD on my TV. So I think colleges 245 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 3: have a real problem there, and I don't think they've 246 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 3: even begun to figure out how to deal with that 247 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 3: in terms of cord cutting. You know, it'll be fascinating 248 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 3: the next time all these conference deals come up. And 249 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to be for another five 250 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 3: or six years. But once the first one comes up, 251 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 3: which I think is the either the PAC twelve or 252 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 3: the next big ten deal, they all come up within 253 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 3: a three or four year span. And who knows who 254 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 3: the players will be. You know, I'm sure ESPN will 255 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 3: still be a major player, and Fox will still be 256 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 3: a major player, but so will Netflix, so will Amazon, 257 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 3: so my Facebook and Twitter. Who will be actually winning 258 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 3: the rights to those contracts? You know, I think I 259 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: think we can't really say right now. 260 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: Well, and the question I guess next is does that 261 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: sort of jockeying for rights lead to any kind of 262 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: expanded playoff or any kind of conference alignment? Conference realignment? 263 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 3: Well, it's crazy, I mean, cord cutting has accelerated, you know, 264 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 3: so quickly that we're only we're not that far removed 265 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 3: from the last crazy realignment cycle of twenty or you 266 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 3: know what, twenty ten, twenty eleven, when. 267 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: People talk about it like it was a blizzard or 268 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: an earthquake, right, yeah. 269 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 3: But also the main or one of the main reasons 270 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 3: behind it was cable households. You know, the Big ten 271 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 3: wanted Rutgers so they could add to the Big ten 272 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 3: network cable households. And you know when Larry Scott tried 273 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 3: to make that huge play for the Big twelve teams, 274 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 3: it was when he was starting the actual network. And 275 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 3: I say that because by the time that next round 276 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 3: comes up, that might not be a factor at all. 277 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 3: That might be in a completely outdated metric how many 278 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 3: cable households do you have? 279 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 2: So it could go on in two ways. 280 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 3: It could be that everybody just says we're happy the 281 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 3: way we are. We frankly, in some cases went a 282 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 3: little too far. Last time we got fourteen team conferences. 283 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 3: That's a really awkward number. So that's the moderate end. 284 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 3: But it could also be pretty radical. And I've written 285 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 3: about this. In a world where you're not bound by 286 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 3: cable households and geographic footprint and whatnot, what's the stop 287 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 3: Ohio State, USC, Michigan, Texas, Alabama, et cetera, from forming 288 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 3: their own confederation, their own champions league, if you will, 289 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 3: right and marketing that product nationally because right now you know, 290 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: it's just kind of a accepted practice. It's been this 291 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: for one hundred years at Ohio State whatever, you know, 292 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 3: one hundred thousand seeds, stadium, massive TV audience, and all 293 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 3: that gets shared with Purdue. At some point, aren't they 294 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 3: going to say, like, wait, wait, we should be keeping 295 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 3: this money to ourselves. 296 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: Who starts that? Is that? Is that something that athletic 297 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: directors band together and form on the sly or where 298 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: does that come from? 299 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: Yeah? 300 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 3: I mean it can't you know, obviously probably not going 301 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 3: to come from conference commissioners who want to keep their 302 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 3: conferences intact, and those tend to be the most powerful 303 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 3: figures in our sport. 304 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: Jim Delady not dialing that one up. 305 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 3: I think it would come from Frankly, I think it 306 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 3: would come from external factors. I think it would come 307 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 3: from a TV executive somewhere coming to approaching the schools 308 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 3: preemptively and saying, you know, hey, what would you guys 309 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 3: think about this? Here's how much money we would pay 310 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 3: you for this. Maybe things move very slowly in college sports, 311 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 3: So even though we're still talking about something against eight 312 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 3: or nine years away, maybe that's still too soon. 313 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: I don't know. And there's other things that will influence that. 314 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 3: Will the rules about paying athletes change between now and then, 315 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 3: because if so, that's going to give those schools extra 316 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 3: incentive to make more revenue and frankly keep more of 317 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 3: it from themselves because they're the ones that are going 318 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 3: to have the most marketable athletes. 319 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: Well, specifically now with college football's offseason, do you have 320 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: a favorite story that you've been following so far. 321 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 3: I know that every year in this time of year, 322 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 3: certainly in the spring, we're focused on quarterback competitions, so 323 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 3: that's not necessarily novel, but these are some really unique ones. 324 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 3: I mean, to go into a season where the defending 325 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 3: national champions have a competition between the guy who's taken 326 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 3: them to two straight national title games and the guy 327 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 3: who came in the second half and won it, I mean, 328 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 3: that's crazy. Clemson, their quarterback Kelly Bryant takes them to 329 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 3: the playoff the year after Deshaun Watson leaves, and now 330 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 3: he's fighting to save his job from the next hot 331 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 3: shot pressurean same thing at Georgia. These are you know, 332 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 3: these are high profile programs with very unusual circumstances. Right 333 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 3: usually when a school has a quarterback competition. It's the 334 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 3: little clumpson last year right to Shaun Watson leaves who's 335 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 3: going to be the next guy to replace de Shaan Watson. 336 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 3: This is the guy who's already proven he can replace 337 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 3: to John Watson's competing for his job against the next guy. 338 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 2: Those stories all fascinating me. 339 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: The shape Patterson thing to me at Michigan is sort 340 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: of fascinating because I think much like at Florida, where 341 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: it's always felt like they were a quarterback away from 342 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: getting to a different level, I think the same thought 343 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: almost applies to Michigan. And now Shaye Patterson moves up 344 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: from Ole Miss He of course wins the ruling he's eligible. 345 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: Immediately there's either an assumption that he can take Michigan 346 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 1: to some new height or that they're going to be 347 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: stuck in this third place vein in the Big ten 348 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: East and it's not going to mean anything. Jim Harbaugh 349 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: is going to wear out as welcome and it's all 350 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: going to go bust. 351 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 3: I think that's I mean, I think you're right. I 352 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 3: think that's kind of the states that are about to 353 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 3: play out. This is this is the no excuses season. 354 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 3: Now he has a quarterback we've seen him, We've seen 355 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 3: Shape Patterson play at a very high level in the SEC. 356 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 2: He is, without question, upgrade from what they've had. 357 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 3: And and that's not to say that Brandon Peters couldn't 358 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 3: eventually develop into that kind of player, But I don't know. 359 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 3: I just find a hard to imagine he's going to 360 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 3: come out and beat out Shape Patterson. So, I mean, 361 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 3: offensive line is still a big question mark for them, 362 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 3: it has been for seemingly many many years now. But 363 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 3: they have the quarterback, they have good receivers, good running backs, 364 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 3: great defense, and so you're right. I mean, if it's 365 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 3: ever going to happen for Harbaugh, it would would think 366 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 3: it would be this year. And yet you look at 367 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 3: that schedule and it is absolutely not set up for 368 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 3: a breakthrough. 369 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 2: Win kind of season. 370 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 3: It's an absolutely brutal schedule and they could be a 371 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 3: better team and still go nine to three. And obviously, 372 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 3: people like those Ohio State fans, unless they have just 373 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 3: beaten Ohio State in that will be mocking him for 374 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 3: being the nine million dollar coach that can't finish higher 375 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 3: than third. 376 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: Do you think that Harbaugh is truly wearing out his 377 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 1: welcome at Michigan because there were rumblings towards the end 378 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: of last year that that was already starting to take place, 379 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: and that was kind of his m O at other 380 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: stops that he'd been. 381 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 3: I mean, you're always going to have that fringe in 382 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 3: the message boards on mg vlog who aren't happy and 383 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 3: want to go on to the next guy. But I 384 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 3: think the bigger picture, reasonable people know how much he 385 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 3: succeeded his previous stops, how fortunate they were to get him, 386 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 3: and that it would be kind of ridiculous to blow 387 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 3: the thing up after four years, you know, just like 388 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 3: you did with Brady Hope, just like you did with 389 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 3: rich Rod, Like at some point you got to pick 390 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 3: a guy and stick with him. Now, I've been watching 391 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 3: so that Michigan documentary, and you could see what you 392 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 3: can absolutely see where his act would get old at 393 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 3: some point. He's well got a lot of cheesy dad cliches, 394 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 3: to say the least. But I didn't since, and I 395 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 3: know it's an edited down product or not seeing everything, 396 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 3: but I didn't get any sense that the players had 397 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 3: tuned out on him or anything like that. They just 398 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 3: so many of their problems last year were because of 399 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 3: that quarterback. Situation, so it'll be interesting to see how 400 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 3: it plays out this year. 401 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 2: I'm not. 402 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 3: He's not on the hot seat. He's not going to 403 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 3: get fired if figure eight and four next year. But 404 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 3: I'm also not naive enough to think that Michigan nothing 405 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 3: offends Michigan fans more than than anybody who dares to 406 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,479 Speaker 3: suggest that he would go back to the NFL. 407 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 2: Right, you know, come on, don't be naive. 408 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 3: Like people have blown off their alma maters under plenty 409 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 3: of circumstances. And if he feels like he's worn out 410 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 3: his welcome, then certainly that's a possibility. 411 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: Have enjoyed following the trip to France, and maybe not 412 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: for the reasons you'd expect. You can't avoid it if 413 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: you read about college football in the off season, especially 414 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: not now, because if you go on like ESPN dot com, 415 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: there are at least fifteen Michigan logos in their news 416 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: feed about what's going on on their trip abroad. But 417 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: there's part of me. We've been making fun of Harbaugh 418 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: on this show for a long time, and not because 419 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: he doesn't win, not because he's obviously a great coach, 420 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: but he's just he's always had this awkward quality to him, 421 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: and I find it amusing because I think that awkward 422 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: quality probably plays well in a country that doesn't natively 423 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: speak English. 424 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I'm experiencing this a little differently 425 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 3: I think than you are. I. I you know, I 426 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 3: definitely remember following every minute of that Italy trip last year, and. 427 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. I forgot that went to Italy. 428 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, this one just kind of snuck up on me, like, oh, 429 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 3: that's right. He did say they were going to go 430 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 3: to France, didn't he right? And I think that's a 431 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 3: sign of, you know, how much interest people have lost 432 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 3: in that program from last year to this year for 433 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 3: an eighteen five seasons. But you're probably I think you're 434 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 3: right about that. I mean, French, there's nothing more awkward 435 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 3: than French humor, right right, exactly trying to figure out 436 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 3: and I've been there many times, trying to figure out 437 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 3: what they're going to find funny. They probably think he's 438 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 3: hilarious exactly. 439 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: That's my point. All right, let's talk about the SEC 440 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: because another big offseason story has obviously been the coaching 441 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: turnover you had Jimbo Fisher, Jeremy Prue At, Joe moorehead, 442 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: Dan Mullin, Chad Morris, Matt Luke. You've also got some 443 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: assistant hires, top flight assistant hires, and Mike Elko at 444 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: a and M and John Chavis at Arkansas. Josh Gaddis 445 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: stolen away from my alma mater, Penn State, now coaching 446 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: wide receivers at Bama. What is your sense for how 447 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: the conference shakes out this year? And I asked that 448 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: not because I don't already assume that Alabama is going 449 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: to be the top dog, but whenever you've got a 450 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: situation like this in a premiere conference with so many 451 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: new coaches, that always tends to be ripe for a 452 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: bunch of surprises. Do you do you think we see 453 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: a surprise out of any of those programs. 454 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you almost have to, because you know, 455 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 3: you look at the draft this past. 456 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 2: Weekend and once again the SEC had the most players taken. 457 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 3: And that's despite the fact that if you were to, 458 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 3: you know, recap the SEC last season, it was three teams, 459 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 3: So it was Alabama, Georgia, and Auburn. Those were really 460 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 3: good teams that the first two more so than Auburn, 461 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 3: So Auburn bet both of them but they didn't produce 462 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 3: all those NFL players. Florida still had guys taken, LSU 463 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 3: still had guys taken. So we know there's that, you know, 464 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 3: the talents there, and some schools needed a new coach. 465 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 3: So you know, I put in my past spring top 466 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 3: twenty five. I just took a flyer on Florida. Why 467 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 3: not they? I feel like last season they just it 468 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 3: just their season ended about halfway through the year, when 469 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 3: when all the awkwardness of Jim mcloine and the death 470 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 3: threats and like, once that happened, they just it just 471 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 3: seemed like they threw in the towel. 472 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: It wasn't so much like a defined ending as much 473 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: as it just stopped. 474 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:08,479 Speaker 2: People stopped paying attention. 475 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:09,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, it just dropped off a cliff. 476 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, like people watched the Florida Tennessee game. I remember 477 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 3: watching the Kentucky game where Kentucky completely blew it, and 478 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 3: then by the Georgia game, it was just like, all right, 479 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 3: we've had enough of them and Florida. Florida and Florida 480 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 3: State played a football game last year and I'm not 481 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 3: sure anybody saw it outside of the stadium. So anyway, 482 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 3: I think they could be a much improved team. We know, 483 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 3: you know, unlike a Jeremy Pruitt who's a first time 484 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 3: paid coach, or even Joe Moore head was the first time, 485 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 3: first time sec or for some FBS head coach. We 486 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 3: know what we're getting with Dan Mullen, So I could 487 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 3: I could see that team having success right off the bat. 488 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 3: I could see A and M with Jimbo Fisher doing 489 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 3: that to some degree, though quarterbacks a question there. And also, 490 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 3: much like we talked about with Michigan, A and M 491 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 3: plays Clompson in Alabama in the first four weeks of 492 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 3: the season. 493 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 2: That's rough. So I don't know. 494 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 3: Florida could that surprise team. A and M could be 495 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 3: that surprise team? 496 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 2: I do. 497 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 3: I really like Mississippi State, but they're not a total surprise. 498 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 3: They were top twenty five team last year, so you know, 499 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 3: I think it'll be. I do think it'll be a 500 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 3: little deeper than last year. Maybe Alabama's still dominant, and 501 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 3: maybe even Georgia too, but maybe a little bit more 502 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 3: of a middle class which just was not in that 503 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 3: which the conference just didn't have last year. 504 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, just a quick note to remind you that 505 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: today's show is brought to you in part by our 506 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: good friends over at zip Recruiter. Every business needs great 507 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: new people and an even better way to find them, 508 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: So forget about posting your job online and just praying 509 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: the right people find it. 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You will get fifty bucks off your mattress purchase. 551 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: Terms and conditions do apply as a West Coast guy. 552 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: Now you got to talk to me about Chip Kelly, because, 553 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: first off, Dan and I have debated for a couple 554 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: weeks and months now about what we think the new 555 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: chip Kelly system is going to look like at UCLA. 556 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: But furthermore, I gotta say, after he left Oregon to 557 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: go to the NFL, and then after it very clearly 558 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: was going south in the NFL, it just felt like 559 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: people in college football circles were talking endlessly about when 560 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: would Chip Kelly go back to the college game now 561 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: that he's there. I don't know if it's because there 562 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: were so many other high profile coaching moves this offseason, 563 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: or what it almost feels to me like it hasn't 564 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: gotten enough press. 565 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 2: No, there's a reason for that. 566 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 3: He has. He has completely shut off access to himself 567 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 3: in that program. He has not allowed a single Bruce 568 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 3: s Feldman or Andy Staples or whoever to come to 569 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 3: a sit down interview with him. 570 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 2: He has. 571 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 3: I don't know if the assistants have either. There's just 572 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 3: you know, you think, oh you seel a la major 573 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 3: media market. Well, they always get kind of second fiddle 574 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 3: treatment to begin with the USC and if you can't 575 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 3: talk to anybody there, then they're going to get no treatment. 576 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 3: So I'm sure that's by design. I know that they're 577 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 3: probably not having very good team this year. Maybe he's 578 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 3: tempering expectations a little bit, but you know he's not. 579 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 3: He's not out there doing the booster circuit by any means. 580 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 3: So all that does is add mystery to it. I'm 581 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 3: as fascinated as the next person to see what what 582 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,479 Speaker 3: chip Kelly College chip Kelly two point oh looks like. 583 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 3: I think we'll probably see, you know, at its core, 584 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 3: it will still be the Oregon offense, but with a 585 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 3: lot of NFL influence thrown in there. 586 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 2: Guys still think it was the home run higher. 587 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 3: Whoever would end up getting him would be making the 588 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 3: home run higher of this past coaching carousel, and UCLA 589 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 3: won those sweepstakes, and I think they'll do well, but 590 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 3: I don't think it'll be an instant, instant impact kind 591 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 3: of thing, like when he got to Oregon and Dennis 592 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 3: Dixon was already there and Jonathan Stewart was already there 593 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 3: and he had a lot of success right. 594 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 2: Off the bat. 595 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: So you think you would rate chip Kelly to UCLA 596 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,959 Speaker 1: higher than someone like Jimbo Fisher to A and M. 597 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, because chip Kelly is. 598 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 3: So much of it is about I mean, the whole 599 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 3: Jimbo to A and M thing still feels a little 600 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 3: weird to me. I'm sure I'll get over it at 601 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 3: some point, but he has no ties whatsoever to there. 602 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 3: They're paying forwenty five million dollars. It's have you noticed 603 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 3: that this offseason whenever they show Jimbo Fisher, he's wearing 604 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 3: like a blazer and a button down shirt that's unbuttoned 605 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 3: at the top. 606 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 2: So you can like, it's. 607 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: He's getting paid all that money. Now, how are you 608 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: gonna spare? 609 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm not I'm not trying to make 610 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 3: any bold predictions here, but no, I mean, I think 611 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 3: chip Kelly is unique. He's one of the most innovative 612 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 3: coaches that we've seen come through, and generally speaking, those guys, 613 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 3: those guys, it's not lightning in a bottle. They're able 614 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 3: to do it again at the next stop. You know, 615 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 3: Chris Pearson is a good example, you know, one of 616 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 3: the one of the great coaches in this sport in 617 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 3: this era, and he found You know, if Chris Peterson 618 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 3: had gone to Alabama, would he have the same kist 619 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 3: success he had at Boise. 620 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. 621 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 3: It's impossible for me to picture him in the SEC. 622 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 3: But when it was Washington, I remember everybody felt like, 623 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 3: oh yeah, that makes sense and chip Kelly back in 624 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 3: the Pack twelve because I remember Florida fans thought they 625 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 3: had him. 626 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: They chip Kelly Florida coach. Done deal. 627 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 3: And I kept saying, I don't know, I don't know 628 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 3: if he wants to go there. He probably wants to 629 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 3: be in the in the Pac twelve if he can, 630 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 3: and that's what happens. 631 00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 2: So it's a good spot for him. 632 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: I don't I don't think he'll be instant impact because 633 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: it's going to take him a little bit to build 634 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: up his program. I think the Jimbo thing is interesting 635 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,959 Speaker 1: because he actually has a lot of youth that he 636 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: can work with. But the two in particular we talked 637 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: about Joe moorehead in Mississippi State. We just think on 638 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: this show anyway, we've talked about how we think that's 639 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: a really good schematic fit. But I think Scott Frost 640 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: and Nebraska is potentially the situation I'm most interested in 641 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: because you know, that's a hungry fan base looking to 642 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: restore the glory. They bring back a former player who 643 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: clearly wanted to be there. It does seem like he's 644 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: making a pretty big impact right away. 645 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know what, I'm going to take back 646 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 3: what I said earlier, Chip is the one a to 647 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 3: Scott Frost and Nebraska as the number one home run 648 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 3: higher of this past offseason. 649 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 2: That's very specific to that. 650 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: It's such a good fit. 651 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the perfect fit, and frankly one that I 652 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 3: didn't know he for sure that he would do. 653 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 2: I mean, it turned out. 654 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 3: After the fact that he was a done deal for weeks, 655 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 3: but at the time there was a lot of well, 656 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 3: I don't know, he might feel like he has a 657 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 3: better chance to win national championships at Florida, and he 658 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 3: might off for Florida over Nebraska. But he went home 659 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 3: and he's I mean, the excitement is off the charts. 660 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 3: There's you know, I know several writers who went to 661 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 3: Nebraska this spring. They said there's forty to fifty reporters 662 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 3: at every spring practice. It's the people cannot get enough 663 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 3: about Scott Frost and the Huskers right now. 664 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 2: How good are they going to be this coming season? 665 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 3: I think they certainly have a better talent on hand 666 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 3: than than U. 667 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 2: S LA does right now. 668 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 3: But it's not top twenty five quite yet, but that'll 669 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 3: happen pretty soon, and he's going to give them an identity. 670 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 3: They're going to be basically the organ of the Midwest. 671 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 3: And that's something that Nebraska has been lacking for this 672 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 3: entire century. I mean basically since they went away from 673 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 3: the triple option, which was their hallmark. What has the 674 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 3: identity of Nebraska football been? I mean, for for the 675 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 3: only thing I could come up with this for a while, 676 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 3: there was the screaming mad man on the sidelines. That 677 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 3: was what people knew most about Nebraska football. So that 678 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 3: was a great hire and that, you know, I think 679 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 3: that took me a little bit by surprise that it 680 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 3: did end up happening but now that it did, you 681 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 3: know you're definitely seeing seeing it pay off. 682 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: Do you have a general sense for the direction of 683 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: the Big Twelve this year because it feels like there's 684 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: a lot of turnover. 685 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 3: I think it feels a little bit more wide open 686 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 3: for a simple reason. Baker Mayfield's gone and Bob Stoops 687 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 3: for that matter. 688 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 2: You know, I'm not. 689 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 3: Taking any the thing away from Lincoln Riley, but you 690 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 3: know now is when when the real challenge for him 691 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 3: begins life after the number one pick. 692 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 2: So you know they've they've. 693 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 3: Dominated that conference for the last three years when they 694 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 3: had this transcending quarterback. And so does that open the 695 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 3: door this year if they have a step back, and 696 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 3: I think that's inevitable. How much for a step back, 697 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 3: I don't know, But the unrealistic Kyler Murray will come 698 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 3: in and do all the things Baker Mayfield did. That 699 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 3: open in the door for a West Virginia for a 700 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 3: TCU who I'm really high on. 701 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 2: At Kansas State. 702 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 3: I don't think Texas is ready to contend for a 703 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 3: Big Twelve title yet, but I am interested to see 704 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 3: what kind of progress they make. 705 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: Do I understand correctly that you're not gung Ho in 706 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 1: Florida State. 707 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 3: Well, I didn't have him in the spring top twenty five, 708 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 3: if that's sure to I had him just outside of it. 709 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,479 Speaker 3: And that was actually, let me think for a second, 710 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 3: I think I had them in the one in January 711 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 3: because there was this expectation that you know, Jimbo had 712 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 3: punted on the last part of that season and once 713 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 3: they get your under here, basically like once they get 714 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 3: DeAndre france Will back, they'll be in much better shape. 715 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 2: But it turns out the Andre Francois was selling drugs. 716 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 3: And I don't know who the quarterback's gonna end up 717 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 3: being there, but that that did not you know, that 718 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 3: was not exactly the best sign for Willy Taggart's first 719 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 3: team at Florida State. 720 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: Do you like the higher though of Wily Taggart at 721 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: Florida State? 722 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 2: I do. 723 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 3: I think he's a good coach. Obviously his career has 724 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 3: taken off. Great recruiter, and again it's one of those 725 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 3: things where Willie tagger to Oregon was kind. 726 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,720 Speaker 2: Of brandom in terms of which school. 727 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:07,919 Speaker 3: I mean, he was going to go to a Power 728 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 3: five school, but he really had no ties to that 729 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 3: part of the country. 730 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,919 Speaker 2: But he grew up a big FSU fan. 731 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 3: He was just coaching in that state two years ago, 732 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 3: so that hiring makes sense for a lot of reasons. 733 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: All Right, my final question here, two questions actually for you. 734 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: We got one on Twitter from Andy Staples, and he 735 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: poses a very interesting dilemma. Some forty one in Newfound 736 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: Glory are playing at the same time but different venues. 737 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: Which one of those two shows do you attend? Assuming 738 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:39,879 Speaker 1: you can't make it to both. 739 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw that, and I gotta be honest. So 740 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 3: I was a huge pop punk fan in the days, 741 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 3: but certain bands have. 742 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 2: Remained in my memory more than others. 743 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 3: And I have to say, when I saw his tweet, 744 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 3: it's like I hadn't thought of some forty one. I 745 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 3: hadn't forgotten some forty one existed until that tweet. That 746 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 3: they are so far off the radar for me. But 747 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 3: I do still love Newfound Glory, so that wouldn't be 748 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 3: very that wouldn't be a tough choice. 749 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: I went back and listened to Fat Lip. 750 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 2: That's funny. So did I. 751 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 1: Into Deep a few of those songs that you can 752 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,839 Speaker 1: get pretty quickly on Spotify. It doesn't hold up, does it? 753 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 2: No? 754 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: No, really, don't hold up the way that it was 755 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: just that one album, right. I remember being totally taken 756 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: by All Killer, No Filler, and then years later to 757 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: go back and listen to it Newfound Glory. Their stuff 758 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: had much more staying power. 759 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I can't really explain why that is, but 760 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 3: you're absolutely right. A band that that gets no credit 761 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 3: in that era, and they may have been toward the 762 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 3: tail end of that era is something corporate. Oh yeah, 763 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 3: if you listen to them now, like that could be 764 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 3: a popular band right now, some forty one probably would 765 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 3: not get a record deal. 766 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: Well, you you're also pretty into the whole tailor swift thing. 767 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,240 Speaker 3: Well, that's the things you get older. You become lazy man. 768 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 3: You're not really like actively seeking out music the way 769 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 3: you were when you were nineteen, and so you start 770 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 3: consuming it more. I guess I shouldn't assume everybody this way, 771 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 3: but me personally, I just become more and more passive 772 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 3: about it. So you just you just hear Taylor's fist 773 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 3: songs by Osmosis and you're like, oh, those are catchy. 774 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: What I'm going to do after I hang up with 775 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 1: you is I'm randomly going to call Mama. H up. 776 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: Every time I go over there. She's got t swift plan. 777 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 3: I went to her show at Levi Stadium on the 778 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,760 Speaker 3: last tour and I just saw and it was great. 779 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 3: But I just saw an ad that she's playing there again. 780 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 3: I think in next weekend or the weekend after. 781 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: Would you would you go again? 782 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 2: Would I go again? 783 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,359 Speaker 3: I think that was one of those ones where you've 784 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,319 Speaker 3: seen it once, you've seen it, and I don't need 785 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 3: to see her play those songs again. The band that 786 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 3: I just keep going back to the band from when 787 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 3: I was nineteen years old is Weezer. I saw them 788 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 3: there's a I live five minutes from Shoreline Amphitheater in 789 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 3: Mountain View. They played there two years ago and I went, 790 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 3: and they're playing this summer and I bought the tickets 791 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 3: months ago, and it's for people of my age. It's 792 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 3: just like the perfect billing. It's them with the Pixies. 793 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 3: That's a great one. 794 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 2: I don't even know. 795 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 3: Why the whether the pixie should be the opening act, 796 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 3: the or the headliner. 797 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: I saw Weezer about two years ago here in Bethlehem 798 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: at Music Fest, and I came away a little underwhelmed. 799 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 3: Well, you know, we're slightly different age, and there's a 800 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 3: study recently about it was pretty fascinating. I'll try to 801 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 3: sum it up as quickly as I can. They used 802 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,879 Speaker 3: Spotify's data to figure out like, for instance, let's sake 803 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 3: the sweater song like, based on that study, the people 804 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 3: who download that or listen to that stream that song 805 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 3: the most are people my age, people who were nineteen 806 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety five. And then if you were to 807 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 3: pick another song that was really popular in two thousand 808 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 3: and two, the people that download that the most are 809 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 3: people who were seventeen, eighteen, nineteen year olds years old 810 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,839 Speaker 3: in that year. It's like your music tastes kind of 811 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 3: cement themselves forever around that age time. 812 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: All right. Well, he is the frontman of the All 813 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 1: American on the Athletic family of websites. His name is 814 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: Stuart Mandel. Also check out his podcast that he does 815 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: with our friend Bruce Felban. It's called The Audible as 816 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 1: always really good stuff and it's good to have you 817 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 1: back on the show. It's been far too long, so 818 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,399 Speaker 1: wish you nothing but the best with the venture. Keep 819 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 1: doing what you're doing and we'll have to talk again soon. 820 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 3: Thanks so much, ty I always enjoy coming on here 821 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:24,839 Speaker 3: and we'll talk again soon. 822 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: All right, again, that's Stuart Mandel. You can find him 823 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: over on the All American as part of the Athletics 824 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 1: Network of Great Sports websites. I mentioned at the end 825 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: that I was going to call Mama h to talk 826 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: about Taylor Swift. Let's let's actually give her a call 827 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: here and see if she has anything controversial to say. Hello, Mom, Yes, 828 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 1: you're actually on the podcast. 829 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 4: Okay, what are we talking about? 830 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 1: Let's talk about tilor Swift? 831 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 4: What would you like to talk about Taylor Swift? She 832 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 4: hasn't been in the news much lately, although she'll be 833 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,959 Speaker 4: starting her reputation tour. I suppose it was very soon. 834 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: I need someone to talk to. I talked to Stuart Mandel, 835 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 1: you know Stu. 836 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I know who that is. Yeah, And he. 837 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 1: Was telling me about a show he went to see, 838 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,280 Speaker 1: a Taylor Swift show at Levi Stadium. 839 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 4: Okay, did he say which one it was? 840 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: Which show? 841 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 4: Yeah? Like which album he went to? 842 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think it was a war. 843 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,760 Speaker 1: I think it was a couple of years ago. Oh, okay, 844 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 1: what are your what are your top three songs off 845 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: the New Tailor. 846 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 4: Album off the New Tailor a. 847 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: Reputation because if we tried to power rank all of them, 848 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,240 Speaker 1: we'd be here forever. But everyone on the show, everyone 849 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:52,839 Speaker 1: who listens to the show, knows that you're pretty big 850 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift fan. So he started talking Taylor Swift, and 851 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 1: it jogged my memory. I'm thinking I should call mom. 852 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 1: So what are your top three top three songs from 853 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: the album? 854 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I actually liked Reputation, the song. 855 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: Okay. 856 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 4: I liked end Game because I like anything she does 857 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 4: with ed sheering. 858 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm writing these down the way. 859 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 4: And then it's either Delicate or Gorgeous. I don't know 860 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 4: which one, you know. The Delicate video just kind of 861 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 4: came out not too long ago, which was kind of intriguing. 862 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,360 Speaker 1: I haven't seen any of the videos, but Delicate's an 863 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: underrated song. 864 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:33,600 Speaker 2: I'll give you that. 865 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 4: Okay, Well, how about Gorgeous? 866 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: I don't know that one. That one doesn't jog my memory. 867 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 4: Well, in the very beginning of it, well, I don't know. 868 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 4: They just they they say it's about her new boyfriend 869 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 4: or whatever. You know. So, but you know, I listened 870 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 4: to them and as I learned the words or whatever 871 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 4: to them, I end up liking most of them, so, 872 00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,080 Speaker 4: you know. And I think though they were saying that 873 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 4: with the tour that she's going on now, like you can, 874 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 4: you can pick out some of her songs that she's 875 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 4: going back to some of her country roots, like when 876 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 4: she started in the very beginning, one of her first albums. 877 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,320 Speaker 4: I think I like the Story, the song love Story, 878 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,359 Speaker 4: which was pretty popular. I think that was one of 879 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 4: the songs in the very beginning that made her very famous. 880 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 1: You know, well, see, now you're not a country music fan, 881 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: so this is like a natural dilemma. 882 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 4: He's not a twangy country person. She never was, Okay, 883 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,239 Speaker 4: I mean, she definitely has her roots in country, but 884 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,880 Speaker 4: there's I mean I like listening to her. I like 885 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 4: Keith Urban. I mean he's country too, but he's not 886 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 4: country country, you know what I mean. It's like, you know, 887 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,799 Speaker 4: they're not the cars aren't crashing and they're drinking their 888 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 4: beer and whatever. It's just it's a different kind of country, right, 889 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,400 Speaker 4: And so I mean I like him, I like her, 890 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 4: I like you know, I mean, I'm not a big 891 00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 4: country fan, I'll be honest with you, but she when 892 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,800 Speaker 4: she moved like you know, into pop and everything. I 893 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 4: think that keeps her really fresh. You know, she's not 894 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,640 Speaker 4: staying stuck in one genre. You know, some people complained 895 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 4: about that, but I actually and I enjoy her music. 896 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, So let's go here, let's close out here. 897 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 1: What are you? What are you listening too lately? On 898 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,400 Speaker 1: on your speaker on Spotify. 899 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 4: You're not gonna believe this, okay, or maybe you will 900 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,040 Speaker 4: believe it. I don't know. I just I saw the 901 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 4: movie The Greatest Showman. 902 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,440 Speaker 1: I love yah Hugh Jackman. 903 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. I love listening to music that is from an 904 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:44,400 Speaker 4: original motion picture. And I love the music from I 905 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 4: love the music from that, and I could just keep 906 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,720 Speaker 4: listening to it over and over again. I'm always amazed 907 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 4: at Hugh Jackman's ability to do what he does. I mean, 908 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,800 Speaker 4: from The Wolverine to lay Miz to now this Pet Barnum. 909 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,600 Speaker 4: But the music is all original. I listened to that 910 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,279 Speaker 4: a lot. And I'll tell you what else I listened to. 911 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,680 Speaker 4: I loved La La Land. And so when i'm you know, 912 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,240 Speaker 4: when I'm working in the kitchen or cleaning or whatever, 913 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,640 Speaker 4: I'll ask my my I'll ask my Alexa to please 914 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 4: play the music from certain motion pictures and a lot 915 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 4: of times. Of course it's the musicals, you know. 916 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,640 Speaker 2: Okay, so I like that. 917 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,480 Speaker 4: I always like listening to Ed Sheeranto, you know, I 918 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,440 Speaker 4: like his music, and that would be me. 919 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,920 Speaker 2: All right, mama, So are we are? 920 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:30,839 Speaker 4: We signing off? Now? 921 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: We're going to sign off. I'll I'm sure I'll talk 922 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:33,479 Speaker 1: to you later. 923 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 4: Okay, all right, Haunt, thanks for calling. All right, take 924 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,200 Speaker 4: care you too, Bye bye. 925 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,640 Speaker 1: All right. There you have it, a little bit of 926 00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,279 Speaker 1: a left turn bringing Mama H into the show here. 927 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,680 Speaker 1: Hope everyone enjoyed it. Big thanks to Stuart Mandel again 928 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:55,279 Speaker 1: from the All American Big thanks to Mama H for 929 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,480 Speaker 1: talking a little music. Big thanks to all of you 930 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,560 Speaker 1: for downloading the show. Don't forget you and find us 931 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,359 Speaker 1: out on Facebook, on Twitter, on Instagram, and anywhere where 932 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,800 Speaker 1: find podcasts are sold. Dan and I have a bunch 933 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,680 Speaker 1: going down over the next couple months or so, so 934 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,200 Speaker 1: please make sure you keep in touch. 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