1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to How the Money. I'm Joel and I am Matt. 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Today we're discussing quiet, quitting, cheap ribis, and another housing recession. 3 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: Yeah that's the big question, right is this gonna be? 4 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: Are we living in another housing bubble? We're talking about 5 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: that today, along with a bunch of other stories. This 6 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: is our Friday flight Man where we tackle some of 7 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,639 Speaker 1: the different headlines that we think are the most important, 8 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: the headlines we think you need to pay attention to 9 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: this week. But real quick, did you see that? Uh? 10 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: It's like, what is it National Cinema Day? That this 11 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: this weekend? We're not talking about the senator from Arizona. 12 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: This is not National Christians Chris, Now, this is Yes, 13 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: So September three, all movie theaters. They're only gonna be 14 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 1: three bucks. Sure a lot of folks have maybe even 15 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: already seen that, But if not, know that you can 16 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: get in to go see a movie at prices you 17 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: hadn't seen since. Yeah, and and even so three bucks 18 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: to go see a movie. And and the big movie 19 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: chains are participating too, to regal and AMC. Yeah, regardless 20 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: of the format as well as which I didn't dive 21 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: intego see an IMAX definitely eighteen bucks or I don't 22 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: even know what it costs anymore. Because when's the last 23 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: time you've gone to see a movie? I've I think 24 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: I went once during the pandemic, took the kids to 25 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: see a Disney movie, but rant in the whole place 26 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: out to yourself, basically there was no one else there. 27 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: But I haven't been to a movie since, And honestly, 28 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: I probably won't go this weekend. Well, I got a 29 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: lot of other stuff going on. Well even if I didn't, 30 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. I might for a three dollar movie. 31 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: That sounds like fun, Like that's what it would take 32 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: to get me out into an actual movie theater, to 33 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: see something out of the comfort of my own home. 34 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: You and I we were talking about this this morning. 35 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: Ross douth at one of our he's a great writer 36 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: over at the Times, and he was talking about how 37 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: we're in the age of blockbuster TV right where you're 38 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: seeing the different platforms spending millions of dollars on their 39 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: programming and especially hundreds of hundreds of millions. Well, yeah, 40 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings, is it something like seven hundred 41 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: releases a million? I think tonight Basically, if you're listening 42 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: to this on on the day comes out. But but 43 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: it makes sense because there's so much great programming at 44 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: our fingertips on our big screens, and the convenience that 45 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: offers when you're in the stage of life that we're in. Man, 46 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: we are k and I we're going to be more 47 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: way more prone to watch a movie sitting at home 48 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: than actually, you know, after we put the kids down, 49 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: rather than going out. Well, it's typically just a really 50 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: expensive endeavor to go see a movie, especially if you're 51 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: you're a family. Even as an individual, though, thinking about 52 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: spending fifteen bucks or more to go see a movie, 53 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: it's like it's prohibitively expensive. And that's assuming you're not 54 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: gonna get popcorn and a drink. That's assuming you're shuffling 55 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: in your own snacks, right, but in which I don't 56 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: know if that's ruler cheap. We can cover that at 57 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: a later date, But that's uh for when especially when're 58 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: talking about buying four or five or or six tickets, 59 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 1: as it would be the case for your family, too 60 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: many tickets you got away for National Cinema Day every year, 61 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: and that that might be the only day it even 62 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: crosses your mind to go see a movie. All right, kids, 63 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: once a year we go to the theater exactly. Yeah. 64 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: The idea of going to the movie theater though with 65 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: a two year old almost three year olds, now that 66 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: you and I both have, that does not sound fun 67 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: for anyone. Yeah, not worth it, don't matter if it's 68 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: free even, right, So all right, let's move on, Matt. 69 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,839 Speaker 1: Let's get to all the stories we found interesting this week. 70 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: We will put a link by the way in our 71 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: show notes to National Cinema Day so you can see 72 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: all the details. But the first story we want to 73 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: cover is actually about electric vehicles, because, yeah, the price 74 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: of electric vehicles is rising faster than I don't know, 75 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: gas prices were rising just a few months ago, Matt. 76 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: You know it's rising at a rapid clip. Yeah, they've 77 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: been for a minute, going down I think for almost 78 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: three months straight, which is good news for everyone. But 79 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: electric vehicles are literally going up from price five times 80 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: faster than there. And I know you're trying to get 81 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: this term adopted their ice counterparts, their internal combustion engine counterparts. Yeah, 82 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: I'm not going to try to make that stick because 83 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense, Like the abbreviation makes sense, but 84 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: it just does not seem to fit when you say 85 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: it out loud, gasoline powered vehicles is what I will 86 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: continue to say. All right, well, this was according to 87 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: I C Cars, who does just a lot of surveys 88 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: like this, and and part of that is because of 89 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: a lack of inventory. But rising battery costs are another 90 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: piece of the puzzle of why electric vehicles are costing 91 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: so much these days. And manufacturers they seem to be 92 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: focusing on the luxury and truck markets too, so the 93 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: e V makers know that there's more profit to be 94 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: made if they make a fancier version of an electric vehicle. 95 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: That's why we're seeing in cars like the Nissan Leaf 96 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: basically die, right. The Nissan has said we're not manufacturing 97 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: this car anymore. And you and I we really like 98 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: electric vehicles. We we truly do think they're the future. 99 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: But a massive chunk of these vehicles becoming unaffordable for 100 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: the average person doesn't really bode well for EV adoption. 101 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: And California just passed a law to that bans the 102 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: sale of gas cars by the that is does not 103 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: too far in the future, and I think, you know, 104 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,559 Speaker 1: we could see electric vehicle prices rise even more because 105 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: of this, and again, evs are probably the future. We 106 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: like him a whole lot, but there are some physical 107 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: and financial constraints that are probably going to prevent us 108 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: from becoming a nation of EV drivers in the near future. 109 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: Or to see, we're just not going to see adoption 110 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: continue at the rate that we've been seeing it if 111 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: prices continue to do what they're doing. Yeah, and with 112 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: the invasion of Ukraine by Russia, we saw gas prices 113 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: uh increased dramatically right like this is back in March. 114 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: And right about that same time too, we see the 115 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,679 Speaker 1: price of electric vehicles skyrocket. Uh. And so the reason 116 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: I mentioned that is because I think it's important to 117 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: keep in mind, like the like, the whole picture, the 118 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: entire picture of what's going on. Uh. And even though 119 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: folks are looking at gas prices and they're thinking, oh, 120 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,239 Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to pay that anymore, 121 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: it's also important to take into account the total cost 122 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: of what it's gonna take to get you somewhere. You 123 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: got to take into account the cost of that electric vehicle. 124 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: But Joel, you mentioned how the price of gasoline has 125 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 1: been dropping a for the like I think the past 126 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: eighty days or so, uh, that's the good news. But 127 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: there's a little bit of bad news that we need 128 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: to mention as well, and that is that heating costs 129 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: are likely going to be increasing this winner as natural 130 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: gas prices they've been soaring in recent weeks and really 131 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: over the past the past year. It's not going to 132 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: be as bad as what what's been happening in Europe, 133 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: where utility a billits have more than doubled in the 134 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: past year. It's to see the stories about what's happening 135 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: with consumers. It's in saying Britain and stuff like, or 136 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: in Germany it is it's not a good place there 137 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, theyre in a world of hurt. But 138 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: but even still here in the US, I think it's 139 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: important to start preparing and start budgeting now, start preparing 140 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: to spend more money, more of your income for utilities 141 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: this winner. Uh. And if you are in a state 142 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: where you can shop your rates, which which you can 143 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: do in something like twenty states around the country, be 144 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: sure to do so. But then even still, the question remains, 145 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: do I lock in with the fixed rate and hopefully 146 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: secure maybe a lower price per therm? Thinking that rates 147 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: are going to be go going up, or do you 148 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: kind of gamble a little bit pay the variable rate 149 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: which tends to be higher, thinking that, okay, surely rates 150 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: are gonna come down. Who knows what the future is 151 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: gonna hold. Personally, I think prices are going to continue 152 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: to go up because I think I think things are 153 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: gonna they might look pretty crazy this winter. And regarding 154 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: the energy costs not only that Europe is experiencing, but 155 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: then how that's going to impact the US, I typically 156 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: like to take the burden hand on that when it 157 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: comes to natural gas rates, and I like to lock 158 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: in the rate. And the reality is that a lot 159 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: of other competitors in the space, they'll often pay for 160 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: your your brake fee. If they're offering a better deal 161 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: and they really really want your business, they'll pay for 162 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: you to break your contract with your current providers. So 163 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: um I would say that those offers are at least 164 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: here where we live, but in a lot of other 165 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: states to those offers are good enough from other competitors 166 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: that you can lock in securing yourself a better rate 167 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: than you would be sticking to some sort of variable 168 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: rate plan and then hoping that you're going to get 169 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: a good offer from somebody else in the future too, 170 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, buckle up and prepare your budgets accordingly and 171 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: use I don't know, space heaters. Maybe instead of heating 172 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: the whole house. Like there's all sorts of ways, invest 173 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: in a pair of Long John's, like go to your 174 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: local Walmart or Amazon, whatever, your local goodwill. But I 175 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: think more people should be considering locking down those base 176 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: layers in order to stay warm in the winter. We 177 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: were talking more about that, I'm sure this winter, because 178 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: we've never said, you know, we're in our new space 179 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: here and we have no idea what the what the 180 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: heating bill might be. And so at the old place 181 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: it was fairly easy to keep it kind of warm 182 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: and toasty down there. But in this older carrotch house, 183 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: the jury is still out. Yeah, kind of leaks like 184 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: a sieve. I think, based on everything I can tell. 185 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: And while we're talking about transportation, let's talk about let's 186 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: talk about bikes for a second, because I don't know 187 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: that's what we do. And I was listening to an 188 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: interview recently from a guy who wrote kind of like 189 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: his book about the history of bikes. It was just 190 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: it was fascinating and it really is it's one of 191 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: the best inventions ever made. It's it's really trans transformed 192 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: the way we can get around as people. I feel 193 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: like the pandemic actually shown a spotlight on bikes in 194 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: a really, a really beautiful way. We saw bike sales 195 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: ticking up by some more people out on two wheels, 196 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: and I mean, I thought that was awesome. And then 197 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: recently we talked about the massive rise in the popularity 198 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: of e bikes. Well, sadly e bikes were not carved 199 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: out in the recent uh Inflation Reduction Acts bill. We 200 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: talked about the electric car debates that were included, but 201 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: ebikes didn't get any love, and that we don't like 202 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: seeing because we think they're a game changer when it 203 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: comes to getting around town and being good for the environment. 204 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: But Actios actually just wrote a story about ebike benefits 205 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: that a whole lot of states, cities, and companies are offering, 206 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: and I did I guess I just didn't realize that 207 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: the benefits were that numerous around the country from different 208 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: like I think Denver is is one of the places 209 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: where you can buy an e bike and you can 210 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: get some sort of tax credit from from the city. 211 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: And so we'll we'll link to Actually, there's a Google 212 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: doc that tracks incentives around the country and in Canada, 213 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: and so we'll link to that in the show notes. 214 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: But basically, if you've been considering one and you're bummed 215 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: that the federal government didn't include any sort of any 216 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: sort of rebate for that ebike purchase, that they haven't 217 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: done anything about that yet. But maybe you've balked at 218 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: the price. You're like, they're really expensive, and they are, 219 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: but we think that if you use them enough, they're 220 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: gonna pay for themselves because you're gonna be in your 221 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: car less. You might find that there's some financial assistance 222 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: out there, which is great. So again we'll link to 223 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: that in the show notes and hopefully, uh, there's something 224 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: where you live that will reduce the price that ebike 225 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: that maybe you've been wanting to buy. That's right, all right, 226 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: let's let's talk about whether or not we are in 227 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: a housing recession. That's a phrase that's that's being tossed 228 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: around quite a bit right now. The definition it's even 229 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: harder to agree on than the one for an economic recession, 230 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: it seems like, but it is true. At home sales 231 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: they are slowing, we're also seeing that inventory is increasing 232 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: as more folks are listening their homes for sale, and 233 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: we are also seeing more price cuts. For the first 234 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: time in quite a while, US home use fell month 235 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: over month, and granted it was only like a miniscule 236 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: amounts like point one percent, something like basically does flatline 237 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: a point one percent drop makes a housing recession? That 238 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: sounds like a bubble popping, right, Um, it doesn't to us. 239 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: You know, this doesn't sound like a housing recession. But 240 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: the reality is that those are all good things, all 241 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: of these changes that we've seen recently, and that's because 242 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: the housing market, like like much of the rest of 243 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: the economy, was booming in an unsustainable way over the 244 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: past couple of years. That the typical home it is 245 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: still worth something like more than it was in twenty nineteen, 246 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: which is a massive increase, more than what we've typically seen. 247 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: And so the natural question, yeah, yeah, And so folks 248 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: are like, oh, no, the sky is following just because 249 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: it's kind of flatlined for a little bit, and it's like, 250 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: no, no no, no, take another step back, look at the 251 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: big picture. Do you realize how much equity you have 252 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: in your home that you've realized over the past couple 253 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: of years. But the natural sort of next question is 254 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: will home prices continue to fall? Um. That's a great question, 255 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: because they certainly could, But we feel it's unlikely that 256 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: that we're in store for any sort of meaningful housing 257 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: crash given the fundamentals, Given for the increased demand that 258 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: we're seeing for housing that coupled with the much smaller 259 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: supply of housing that we've created uh here in the 260 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: US over the past decade, we think that that means 261 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: that prices will continue to rise, maybe just not at 262 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: the clip that we've seen recently. Well, it's an interesting point, Matt. 263 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I think I could see that happening, but 264 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: I could see certainly not a housing recession, but I 265 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: could see housing prices continue to climb further moving forward 266 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: into the coming months. And I think a lot of 267 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: that so much of that is tied to what happens 268 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: with rates. And we've seen rates even just this week 269 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: bouncing back up, hitting basically right at six percent. And 270 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: if we see rates on mortgages continue to climb, that's 271 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: gonna occurve affordability even more. And so I think we 272 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: could see prices um prices have to go down because 273 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: of that. So, yeah, there might be some small declines. 274 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: It's not gonna be a pop right, like nothing is 275 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: going to crash. The recession term is for the housing market. 276 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 1: It's a bit extreme. It's it's extreme, and we we 277 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: don't necessarily see anything close to that happening in the 278 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: near future, but that makes be seen. And there are 279 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: people on YouTube making videos about this because they want 280 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: the clicks and they want to they want to in 281 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: sight fear, I think in panic into people or and 282 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: and for for some people who have wanted to buy 283 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: a home and they haven't been able to afford one yet, Matt, 284 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: they they they're kind of hoping for this too. Write 285 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: They're hoping for some sort of housing market calamity so 286 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: they can buy a home at a cheaper price. And 287 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: I totally understand that, but the reality is that's unlikely 288 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: to happen. And we just released episode five fifty one 289 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: about buying a home in this crazy expensive market. You 290 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: might be wondering, might nuts to still be making offers. 291 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: We don't think so, because as long as your personal 292 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: finances are in good shape and you're planning to own 293 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: that home for a decent chunk of time, we would 294 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: say at least seven years, preferably a decade. We're totally 295 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: fine with you going in that direction, even though there's 296 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: quite a bit of uncertainty about where the housing market 297 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: is headed in the short term because housing prices they 298 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: might continue to decline for a little while, um they 299 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: might continue to creep up. Is very hard to predict 300 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: what's going to happen in the short term. They're just 301 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: so many factors at play. But for you, if you're 302 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: financially prepared to buy a home, I wouldn't let these 303 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: doom and gloom predictions of a housing recession prevent you 304 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: from trying to buy a house if you're in the 305 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: position to do that. That's right. Speaking of houses, The 306 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: Atlantic just published an article about the h g TV 307 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: ification of America. Clearly, there's more streaming home renovation content 308 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: out there that's available to us now more than ever before. 309 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: That's because a huge percentage of your your friends, your neighbors, 310 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: your family are are likely watching it. And while it 311 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: might be entertaining, it's also changing our consumption patterns. It's 312 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: kind of subconsciously making us want to embrace like these 313 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: some of these specific trends for the homes that we 314 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: live in. It's making some of the things that are 315 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: currently in our home seem more disposable than maybe they 316 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: should be. So for instance, like the more wide appliances 317 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: that get ripped out of a kitchen on TV, well, 318 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: the you know, the more different just going to be 319 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: for us to continue to stare at our own white 320 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: appliances that work perfectly fine. Oh man, if they didn't 321 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: look good, if if the designers on whatever show I'm 322 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: watching thought that they had to be ripped out, but 323 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: then clearly mine are long in the tooth and I 324 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: need they need to be replaced. Also, personally, I think 325 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: white appliances, uh look pretty awesome. But this is just 326 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: another form of comparison, you know, like we're we're becoming 327 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: less okay with the things in our life that are 328 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: still working perfectly fine. And you know, this doesn't necessarily 329 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: mean that we think that h G TV or these 330 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: home renovation shows or you know, flip it or flop 331 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: or whatever, that they should be banned. So many names 332 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: designing a dime, flip it or flap, I don't know, 333 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: like property brothers, Oh my mom, my mom could probably 334 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: my house, she's got the roster she's got the line up. 335 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: But I want to share this because I think that 336 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: the opportunity still lies with us to control what entertainment 337 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: we're consuming. There are multiple points where we have the 338 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: opportunity to just not watch the stupid show, or if, like, 339 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: if you want to watch the show, you still have 340 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: the opportunity to say, Okay, I'm going to watch that 341 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: as entertainment, but I'm not going to allow that to 342 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: affect how I feel about my own residence, or even 343 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: if I do feel like my my own home feels 344 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: like you said, like long in the tooth, if it's 345 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: feeling kind of outdated, you still have control over your 346 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,239 Speaker 1: behavior as to whether or not you rip those appliances 347 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: out and purchase new stuff. And so I just want 348 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: to emphasize personal responsibility and the ability that we have 349 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: over our own decisions in order and how that's going 350 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: to affect our money. Just as past Wednesday, we talked 351 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: about the different marketing maneuvers out there that that stymy 352 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: our growth thread, the things that keep us from achieving 353 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: the goals that we want to achieve, and it's nowhere 354 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: within that episode did we say that well marketing should 355 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: not exist. Yeah, that like that that can exist, burn 356 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: every billboard down to the ground. Although we make our interstates, 357 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: I don't feel a little more pleasant, that is true, 358 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: But it is up to us in the end to 359 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: decide what it is we're going to consume, how we 360 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: feel about those things, and then ultimately what we spend 361 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: our money and our resources on. Completely agree. And if 362 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: you start to feel like maybe the things that you're 363 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: taking in media wise are pushing you to consume more, 364 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: we I mean we've talked about that, like social media, 365 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: people around us, like keeping up with the Joneses. It's 366 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: a real thing that all of us feel, even Matt 367 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: and I Field right at times. Yeah, I'm not saying 368 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: that it doesn't exist, but what are you going to 369 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: do about? Yeah, And if you can call some of 370 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: those things out of your media consumption habits, it might 371 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: help you avoid some of those downer feelings you might 372 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: get about the place where you live. And you might 373 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: be like, wait a second, I like my house. I 374 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: just started to think for a second, because I'm watching 375 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: all this stuff that I needed to upgrade this this 376 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: or that, or I needed to rip everything down to 377 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: the studs and start over. When your house might be 378 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: perfectly good and and so I guess yeah, sometimes we 379 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: just let those outside influences have too much power over us. Totally, absolutely, Matt. 380 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: We got more to get to on this Friday flight, 381 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: including some good news on price drops at the grocery store. 382 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: We haven't been able to say much of that later. Yeah, 383 00:17:51,920 --> 00:18:03,719 Speaker 1: we'll talk about that and more right after this. All right, 384 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: we're back for the break, and we will talk about 385 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: that affordable red meat, specifically Ribby. It's a lot cheaper. Uh, 386 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 1: there's days. Yeah, but let's share the ludicrous headline of 387 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: the week. This one's from the New York Times and uh, 388 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: this one reads the rise of the Productivity Score. And dude, 389 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: to be honest, this article was was kind of tough 390 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: to read. At the Times. They detail how more employees 391 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: across the economy are being tracked, They're being recorded and ranked, 392 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: and those tracking systems for some folks, or even docking 393 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: your paycheck if you are not being productive enough, if 394 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: you're not meeting your quotas, if your screen falls asleep 395 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: for maybe more times and is allowed. Uh, this certainly 396 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: feels like something out of a dystopian novel or film. 397 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: Uh sounds like I mean honestly, downright depressing to have 398 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: your efforts reduced down to just a simple numerical score. 399 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: No wonder quiet quinning is is becoming a trend, you know, 400 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: Like I don't mean to say that this is a 401 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: good trend necessarily, Like I don't think two wrongs ever 402 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: make a right. Uh. And I'm all about working hard, 403 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: you know, like like doing the best that we can 404 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: for any employer out there. But dude, the more employers 405 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: are trying to track us and turn us into widgets, 406 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: I think the more that trust is going to deteriorate, 407 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: and without trust, it's going to be difficult to maintain 408 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: and even established a successful business. Right and by a quitting, 409 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: by the way, it's basically in reference to people doing 410 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: the bare minimum to get by. It's like I kind of, 411 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,959 Speaker 1: in essence quit, I don't want the paycheck, but I'm 412 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: just gonna kind of mail it in, like I'm not 413 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: gonna put a lot of effort behind the tasks that 414 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: you've assigned me. And I get it. If your employer 415 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: is treating you like this, uh, then I understand that reaction. 416 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: But we would also say there's a better way forward, 417 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 1: and you should probably just leave an employer who who 418 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: treats you like this. And I think like part of 419 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: this is the quick switch to work from home math 420 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: that employers maybe feel the need to keep tabs on 421 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: their employees a little bit more. It sounded nice in 422 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: the beginning for employees to be working remote and they 423 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: can kind of shift their hours a little bit more 424 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: to be productive at different times of day, but not 425 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: every employer is down with that. And and apparently some 426 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: people are installing like software that causes their mouse to 427 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: jiggle because it's mouse jigglers, which is a great term, 428 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: but to make it look like they're doing work even 429 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: when they've stepped away from their computer. But they feel 430 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: the need to do that because their employer is tracking 431 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: them every single minute of the day. And Yeah, the 432 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: reality is I think that employers they should be hiring 433 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: folks that they trust to do the job they've hired 434 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: the person to do, and that means tracking based on 435 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: results that can be measured, not time spent working, not 436 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,959 Speaker 1: clicks of the mouse. They're not just looking for. It 437 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: just reminds you in school doing busy work, right, And 438 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: it was like, that's that's not what we're looking for, 439 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: and that's not what employers should be looking for being 440 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: big brother every minute of the work day. It's gonna 441 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: lead to worse outcomes overall. Yeah, and it's not that 442 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: they're not measuring results, they're just measuring the wrong thing 443 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 1: the wrong thing right, Like with this, I mean we're 444 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: seeing we've seen a massive increase in the ability for 445 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: folks of work from home, and different technology companies are 446 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: out there trying to figure out how it is that 447 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: they can measure the productivity of their employees. So, like, 448 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: I get what's going on here, but I think what 449 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: this means is I mean, like, like we're talking about 450 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: turning employees into widgets, and instead of looking at employees 451 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: as widges, like I mean, managers need to do a 452 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: better job proactively managing their employees and whether that's the 453 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: relationship they have with them or working with them to 454 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: sort of establish whatever goals there are for more carrots 455 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: instead of sticks. You know, absolutely, instead of saying like 456 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna penalize you if your mouse isn't moving for 457 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: you know, every single minute of every single day, you 458 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: could you could offer more incentives and be more motivational 459 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: instead of just being ready to punish. Because first the 460 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 1: first instinct that when the mouse isn't moving, Yeah, it's 461 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: it's a it's a solution provided by software that truly 462 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: does turn us into widgets. And and widgets are fine, 463 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: you know when you're creating a machine, like a cold, 464 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: lifeless machine, But that's not who people are, you know, like, 465 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 1: that's not what a company is. And the other thing too, 466 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: if you start treating people like widgets like cogs and 467 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: gears in this machine, and the idea is that you're 468 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: able to then swap those people out very easily, right, Well, yeah, 469 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 1: folks are going to do that themselves. Like they're going 470 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: to be more likely to leave the company because they're 471 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: seeing that they're not valued, because they're they're realizing that, well, 472 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: what's the point of staying here when I could just 473 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: hop over here, all things being equal, I would rather 474 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: get paid a little bit more, and maybe in fact 475 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 1: I will be treated a little bit better over there 476 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, And I think some some of the 477 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: headlines make it sound like there's just this general rensence 478 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 1: to work, that maybe people don't like to work as 479 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: much as they used to. And I don't really actually 480 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: think that's true. That young people are maybe allergic to 481 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: working nine or something like that. I think that's I 482 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: think that's a wrong take. I think they just hate 483 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,479 Speaker 1: their specific job, or maybe they they don't like their 484 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: employer or the way their employers treating them, or I mean, 485 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: or they might think that they don't like to work, 486 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: like right, Like on the surface level, they're thinking, yeah, 487 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to work on to spend my time 488 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: doing other things. But if you take that view, I 489 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: think you're, like you you're in your discounting the intrinsic 490 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: value that work can bring to your life. Because when 491 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: you eliminate that from your life completely, uh, you're you're 492 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: eliminating purpose to a certain extent, also eliminating income, which 493 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: is a problem. Well that's the solution there is like 494 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: we'll give you, like, can you give me money? Like 495 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: if you can, that money be provided from another source 496 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: without me having to work. But when you remove that purpose, 497 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: I think you also remove like life satisfaction and happiness 498 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: and just kind of all the different things that come 499 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,479 Speaker 1: with what feels like living a meaningful and productive life. Yes, 500 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: so I think the remedy is to find a new job. 501 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: If your job sucks or if your employer is treating 502 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: you like a widget, and good news job markets hot 503 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: you can land a bigger paycheck, better working conditions at 504 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: the same time. So yeah, if if you're kind of 505 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: in that quiet quitting stage, like I'm just going to 506 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 1: do the bare minimum and just kind of hold my 507 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: nose at the stinky situation that is this job, then 508 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: you should you should really start looking. You should start 509 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: pounding the pavement and uh, start applying for other jobs 510 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 1: and start and look for companies that specifically are known 511 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: to have a good company culture, um, so that you 512 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: don't end up in the same situation elsewhere. But Matt, 513 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: let's let's move on. Let's talk about food for a second, 514 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: and how there's some good news at the grocery store, 515 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: especially for carnivores for years because steaks getting cheaper, baby, 516 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: and that's it's news to my ear. We're actually we're 517 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: talking about year over year changes here. So almost every 518 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: cut of steak when you look at the numbers, actually 519 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: cost less now than it did in September. Ribby is 520 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: ten percent cheaper, and brisk it is eighteen percent cheaper. 521 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: Actually kind of know this anecdotally from talking to my 522 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: cousin's husband when he smoked a brisk at a couple 523 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: of weekends ago, and he was like, man, prices are 524 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: so much better than they were a few months ago. 525 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: It's back on the menu. Boys. I think you said 526 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: it was like it was like seven dollars a pound 527 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: and ounced down to closer to four. So that's a 528 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: that's a big discount. But yeah, for a minute, those 529 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: prices were just massively elevated, and our advice was consistently 530 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: to you guys, was to trade down too instead of 531 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: buying Ribby, get something cheaper and cooked that for dinner, 532 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: because yeah, Ribby at seven dollars a pound, it's so 533 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 1: much different than Ribby at fourteen dollars a pound. And 534 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: I'm a fan of eating steak every now and again, 535 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: I don't do it all that often. But actually, Matt, 536 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: I got some this week because I noticed the price 537 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: was down when I was in the store. And then 538 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: I saw this story and I was like, it's true, true, 539 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: and so would you pick that up at Costco? And 540 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: so maybe maybe I'll start eating more steak again in 541 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 1: the near future. Well I'll not know. The Washington Post 542 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: they actually had an article about how buying meat and 543 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: bulk can save you even more money. And I'm not 544 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: talking about a double pack of steaks at Costco. More 545 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: folks are apparently buying more of their meat directly from 546 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 1: the local farmers in these days. We're talking like half cows, 547 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 1: whole cows that kind of buy. Yeah, this is a 548 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: good thing monetarily on a lot of levels, not only 549 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: for us as consumers, but also for the farmers. I've 550 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: seen relatives actually get a whole or half cow that 551 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: allows them to just curb their overall cost per pound 552 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,239 Speaker 1: in a significant way. Obviously, you gotta have a deep 553 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: freezer in order to de store all of that meat 554 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: unless you just got a big appetite, buddy, even if 555 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: you have a big appetite, you're not gonna get that far. 556 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: But what what are your thoughts on this? You've got, uh, 557 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: do you have a fridge or a freezer in your garage? Fridge? Fridge? 558 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: Would you be willing to put in a deep freeze 559 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: in order to get you get yourself, say a half cow, 560 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: in order to say you know, I think I would 561 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: consider it, but we've never done it. And but if 562 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: someone if let's say my city, I think my my 563 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: older sister has done this before and if she reached 564 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: out to me, she's like, hey, would you guys want 565 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: to split a half cow. It's gonna cost five bucks 566 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 1: a pound, and that's that's cheaper than even the cheap 567 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: cuts a bee or something like that, and you're gonna 568 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,479 Speaker 1: get some of the good stuff too. I would I 569 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: totally consider it. Yeah, Yeah, I think some folks might 570 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: be hesitant just because they're like, well, you gotta you 571 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 1: gotta buy a fridge or a freezer. You gotta buy 572 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 1: deep freeze. Those those things aren't cheap, but you can 573 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: find them on sale. Uh. And the other thing, I 574 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: feel like the other part of the equation is thinking 575 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: through like electricity use, and it turns out de freezes 576 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: don't use all that much ectricity. We actually, you know, 577 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: we calculated this because here where the studio is our landlord. 578 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: He's got his deep freeze plugged into our electric electricity 579 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 1: down to the garage and he just wanted to make 580 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: sure that we were cool with that. It's just like, hey, guys, 581 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: just just so you know, you know, is that okay 582 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: if we've got the deep freeze down there, and we're like, 583 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 1: as long as we can get some rid by out 584 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: of there every once in a while. I know we 585 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: we did the math and it was I mean, I'm 586 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: pretty sure it was less than fifty bucks. I think 587 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: it was closer to thirty bucks a year is what 588 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: it would cost. And so think about how much money 589 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: you'd be saving per pound on that beef. Uh, and 590 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: certainly factor thirty bucks a year into the equation factor 591 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: in finding a deep freeze on sale or maybe you know, 592 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: on Facebook marketplace. But I think it could definitely be 593 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: a way of reducing that grocery bill in a major way, 594 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: especially if you are a big fan of meat mistake. Yeah, 595 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: And I think one one thing somebody who's listening, especially 596 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: if they're if they're vegan or they're really conscious about 597 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: how much meat they consume, they might be wondering what 598 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: about the effects of eating meat on climate change? Guys, 599 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: And you're encouraging people to go eat like three stakes 600 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: a day, No, not necessarily. Well, and the Atlantic they 601 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 1: actually published a really great article this week about how 602 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: a world without animal agriculture it's not necessarily more environmentally 603 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: friendly than a fully vegan world would, yeah, which I 604 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: thought was interesting. It was a really nuanced take and 605 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 1: and basically what they said, Matt was that a world 606 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: without meat would require a third more crop land, and 607 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: large swaths of animal grazing land just aren't conducive to 608 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: anything else. It's not like you could grow crops in 609 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: some of those areas. And so we totally think that 610 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: a lot of Americans could stand eat less meat than 611 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: they do. Now, that's certainly true, right, But eating less meat, 612 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: especially the more expensive cuts, is going to curb your 613 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: grocery bill in a meaningful way. So that's just a 614 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: that's just a good thing to do if you want 615 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: to save money. But if you consider the earth, you're 616 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: considered about, you're worried about overall human flourishing in your 617 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: eating decisions. I don't know. I thought that was an 618 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: interesting article and it it shown some new light on 619 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: because I've I've always kind of been like, I've wondered that. 620 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, is it is it really that bad in 621 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: the environment. There's a there's people have different takes on that, 622 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,719 Speaker 1: and I thought that that article in particular provided just 623 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: a helpful nuanced view of me. We should eat less, yes, um, 624 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: and most Americans probably should yes, And eating less is 625 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: good for our bottom line too, typically nice, Yeah, I 626 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: didn't see that article, but I guess the big question 627 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: I would bring up would be what about all the 628 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,239 Speaker 1: cow farts, because that's what you always hear about, all 629 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: the cow farts and burbs and the methane that they're producing. 630 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: I think that's something like of the overall overall emission emissions. Yeah, 631 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: I'm from cows, but uh lit, we'll make sure the 632 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: link to that. Uh. And you know, like I feel 633 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: like we're giving Costco a lot of love. We talked 634 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: about buying steaks from them. You can also buy a 635 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: deep freeze from them, because let's go on sale a 636 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: couple of times a year. Let's get some love to 637 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: the Sam's Club. Or actually, I guess we're kind of 638 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: throwing shade their way because they're raising their membership price 639 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: from forty five to fifty bucks for like their regular membership, 640 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: and then from a hundred bucks to d ten for 641 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: its quote unquote plus level. Uh And so this price 642 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: like is going to go into effect on October, but 643 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: Sam's Club they will be giving members five dollars in 644 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: uh Sam's Club bucks, That's what I'll call them, for 645 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: the first year of this increase. So that'll be nice, right, 646 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: kind of eases the pain a little bit, gets you 647 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: used to the idea that the prices are going to 648 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: be going up, giving you a full twelve months uh 649 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: in advanced notice. So we wanted to share that we 650 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: are more of Costco dudes here, But Sam's it's a 651 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: great warehouse option for a lot of folks, especially if 652 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: that's the only option that you have in your area. Uh. 653 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: And honestly, a five dollar increase, it's probably not gonna, 654 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, cause many members to piece out, but like 655 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: it is always going to be a good idea to 656 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,239 Speaker 1: reassess whether or not you're getting enough value out of 657 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,479 Speaker 1: that membership when your renewal date comes around. It's just 658 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: like the subscriptions that we often have deducted from our account. 659 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: We're so prone just to let those charges continue to 660 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: rack up and we're not really thinking hard about whether 661 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: or not we are gaining any value from it, whether 662 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: we're talking about Netflix or something that typically will save 663 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: you money, something like warehouse club. Uh. And so that's 664 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: something to constantly reassess within your budget. Yeah. Now I'm 665 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: on the edge of my seat if you see if 666 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: Costco is going to raise its membership Rice, Yeah, they 667 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: probably will. On the last time the CEO was interviewed, 668 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: he was like, it's not on our radar, but it 669 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: might be now, so we'll see what happens. But Matt, 670 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for this episode. We will, of 671 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: course put links to everything that we we mentioned today 672 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: on our website at how to money dot com. That's right. 673 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: So we hope everyone has a fantastic holiday weekend. Labor 674 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: Day is going to be on Monday. Don't forget. How 675 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: could you forget if you've got the day off. I'm 676 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: sure you're looking forward to that, but don't forget about us. 677 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: Don't forget about How the Money. We've got a great 678 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: ask How the Money episode lined up for you where 679 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna be taking listener questions so you can look 680 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: forward to that. Joel, that's gonna be it for today, 681 00:31:47,480 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: But until next time, best Friends Out, Best Friends Out,