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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyan. This episode number two and twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Ante in the show, we're talking summer trial cameras, big woods,

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Speaker 1: habitat projects, CWD, hitting close to Home, and much much more.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Onyx and today it's just me and

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Speaker 1: Dan and thank for this one. We just need to

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Speaker 1: have a good old sitter on the campfire BS session. Um,

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Speaker 1: since since when this podcast will be actually going out

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Speaker 1: to the world. That's gonna be fourth of July week,

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Speaker 1: so hopefully a lot of us will be on vacation.

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Speaker 1: I actually will sort of be on vacation. Um, so

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Speaker 1: it makes sense that we just need to kick back

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Speaker 1: and have a good time, don't don't you think? Dan?

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Speaker 1: I agree, man, we need to just let it all

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Speaker 1: hang out on this episode. That sounds like exactly what

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Speaker 1: everyone's hoping for. Um, we have. We haven't done just

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Speaker 1: like a you and Me BS in a while though,

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Speaker 1: So there's a there's a good amount of stuff to

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Speaker 1: catch up on. I thought, um, you've been up to

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Speaker 1: some good stuff in the woods. I've been up to

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Speaker 1: some different projects. There's some kind of recent news around

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Speaker 1: me in Michigan that I think we should talk about. Um. Plus,

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Speaker 1: I'm taking off on trip soon. I don't know. There's

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Speaker 1: all sorts of good things we could dive into. So

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Speaker 1: what's new with you? Oh, not too much, man, you know, father,

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Speaker 1: husband stuff. Last this this past Sunday, I got a

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Speaker 1: breakaway right from the family and I was able to

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Speaker 1: go out and hang my trail cameras. So they are

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Speaker 1: out there soaking collecting pictures hopefully. And uh, dude, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what it is that now, now that that

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Speaker 1: has happened, that's like a big first step for me,

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Speaker 1: and I know it is for a lot of guys.

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Speaker 1: Once you get those trail cameras out this time of year,

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Speaker 1: that's when for me it's the official start of the

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Speaker 1: upcoming season. Yeah. Yeah, this this time of year, like

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Speaker 1: you've got cameras are going out, you start seeing the

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Speaker 1: batchelor groups out in the fields. And then for me,

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, when I start driving down the roads

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Speaker 1: there's no more dirt showing, like, it's just a sea

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Speaker 1: of green now. For for whatever reason, I was driving

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Speaker 1: year has officially started now that that's happening. Absolutely, I

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Speaker 1: just love it. Um, so you got the cameras out,

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Speaker 1: tell me, tell me, tell me all about how many

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Speaker 1: you get out? Would you put them in any new places?

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Speaker 1: This like your usual set up? What was yeah? Man,

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Speaker 1: just my usual setups. I mean every place that I

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Speaker 1: had trail cameras there's in the past, right so these

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Speaker 1: are my pretty much my set in mineral stations where

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Speaker 1: I've had mineral there in the past. Uh, it's just

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Speaker 1: just now it's like bare dirt right there. Sometimes there's

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Speaker 1: And that's what was it about a month ago, is

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Speaker 1: not I mean, there's nothing really too exciting about going

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Speaker 1: so you've got camera locations around that area? Oh yeah, yep. Um,

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Speaker 1: of wonder if there's any similarities. Right, So, this is

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the field, dude, it's on a terrace,

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Speaker 1: by like this terrorist thing in the field. Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: farmers will terrace their fields. It's basically a natural retaining

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Speaker 1: else to hit this camera. Um some you know, throughout

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Speaker 1: It's that it's that field. So yeah, man, it's it's overlooked.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would overlook areas like this,

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Speaker 1: So this is your your main big farm, right m hm.

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Speaker 1: So when you get pictures of deer at this spot,

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Speaker 1: how far away do you how far away could you

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Speaker 1: Like I'm wondering, Like, okay, imagine they dispersed. So in November,

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Speaker 1: the other. But this particular spot. So imagine my farm

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Speaker 1: but it's not in the main farm, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: it's just crazy how it works. When I stumbled upon

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Speaker 1: and I jumped like five decent size bucks. So I

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Speaker 1: don't mineral out, I put the trail cameras up, and

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Speaker 1: sure enough, that's where they all were. Man, is this

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Speaker 1: that big nine pointer? Oh? Um, yeah, yep, And I

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Speaker 1: got got that on film, I believe ye yep, that's correct. Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I know exactly what we were talking about that I

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting that this is the spot that's great

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Speaker 1: for the summer, but then also when I think you're

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Speaker 1: even during hunting season. Huh right, So this spot will

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Speaker 1: be good until the crops come out and then it's over.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. However, I guess I should. It's almost like

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Speaker 1: I say this, but then I have an example of

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Speaker 1: cruising this field. This last year crops come out, it disappears. However,

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Speaker 1: the two years previous I had that big one seventy

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Speaker 1: t pointer that I believe I talked to you about.

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Speaker 1: He was he was working that field even after the

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Speaker 1: crops were out. So I guess it just depends on

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Speaker 1: where the does are at. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: So how many cameras totally you have out there? Now?

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Speaker 1: Let's see I have one too, three four, five, six,

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Speaker 1: six six out right now? And how many acres is

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Speaker 1: that that you're covering? Um, let's see we're looking at five. Well,

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Speaker 1: Like the reason I asked, I'm curious, like have you

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Speaker 1: of offers actually to hunt in different places, like we did, uh.

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00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: We did a live Meat Eater podcast last week down

427
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: in Ohio, um with Ronella and those guys, and we

428
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: talked about this a little bit. Just mentioned the fact

429
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: that I used to hunt, that I hunt down there

430
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: and don't have a spot anymore. So I've had a

431
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: lot of people like reach out to me and offer

432
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 1: me places to hunt, which is amazing and I appreciate

433
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 1: so much. But you know how that is. I mean, um,

434
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to to to go into something like

435
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: that without really knowing what you're getting into and without

436
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,479
Speaker 1: knowing the people you know. So much of you know

437
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: of hunting a place, if you're gonna be hunting with

438
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 1: other people, so much of like your enjoyment of that

439
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: situation comes down to who they are and your relationship

440
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: and all those other intangibles. So it's really hard to

441
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: just kind of get into something without having that past relationships.

442
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: So I've always been pretty hesitant to ever do that. Um.

443
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,199
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of hesitant to do anything like that.

444
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: Right now. So right now, I'm still kind of trying

445
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: to find my own my own deal. But um but

446
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: but who knows, maybe one of these things will pan out.

447
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: Um So maybe find new spot in Ohio. Maybe just

448
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: do something totally different. Um. I've been, you know, looking

449
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: at we talked about me trying to do that public

450
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: land North Dakota hunt. That's something that maybe maybe I

451
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: can fit that in now since I'm not going to

452
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: do the Ohio hunts like I usually do. Um is

453
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 1: that over the counter, Yeah, you know, Okay, Um, so

454
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: that's I don't know, I gotta figure stuff out on whatever.

455
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: But but right now as it is, I mean, I've

456
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: got an early season hunt in Montana and then Michigan

457
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: and that's it right now. So I'm kind of spare

458
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: sparse as far as my usual plans. But Michigan I've

459
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 1: got like a I've got more stuff in Michigan than

460
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: I usually do because I got that new big property. So,

461
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, back behind the house. It's been kind of

462
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: just like habitat work so far, with you know, with

463
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: a with a baby and stuff with work lately, I

464
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: just haven't been able to do as much as I

465
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: wanted to do as far as like moving stands and stuff.

466
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of changes I want to make, kind

467
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: of tweaks to some stand locations. I want to add

468
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: some cover on some spots. I gotta go and just

469
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 1: check straps and do all that usual stuff too. Um

470
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: And just based off of last year where I was

471
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: seeing Holy Field during the rut, I want to add

472
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: some more stands around these betting areas towards the far

473
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: east side of the property. So I'm gonna have to

474
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: do that though in in August, because I leave I

475
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,719
Speaker 1: leave here for Montana shortly. Um. But I did do

476
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: some habitat stuff I've been maintaining, just keeping my food

477
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: plots maintained. I uh, you know, I talked about this

478
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: a little bit a couple of weeks ago, but got

479
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: got my food plot screen planted around one of these plots,

480
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: and um, I'm kind of changing the size and the

481
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: shape of that one a little bit. It used to

482
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: be sort of, um, he used to kind of look

483
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: like a pie, like a piece of pie, imagine like

484
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: a quarter of a pie. And in the uh, in

485
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: the inside corner of that, there's a local clover plot

486
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: and then the right the right half of the triangle.

487
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: Then there was the plot, and then there was a

488
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: gap or the kind of a section of grass in

489
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: the middle, like if you just slice that pie into

490
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: two pieces. And then the left side of it there

491
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: was another sectional plot. But you know, a couple of

492
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: years ago, I think I told you about this, Um,

493
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: the far left pie piece of that pie got overgrown

494
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: with weeds when I was gone for the summer one year. UM,

495
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: So this year, I'm kind of reclaiming that. But I'm

496
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: instead of like doing one big plot in there, I'm

497
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: kind of just like snaking through, um, like a thin

498
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: strip through it. So it's gonna be a bunch of

499
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: tall grass and brambles and stuff all around it, and

500
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,239
Speaker 1: then just a narrow strip of food. It will kind

501
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: of weave its way around that, um and I think

502
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: that will pull some deer past my stand location a

503
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: little bit better. So, you know, just kind of doing

504
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: stuff like that, spraying, maintaining, checking on things. That's all

505
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: I've done on that property. Um. I haven't put up

506
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: cameras yet. I usually do. But so, how much have

507
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: you thought about Holy Field? Honestly, you know, not as

508
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: much as you might think. I mean, I thought about

509
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: I mean guessing I've thought about a good bit and

510
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: I've been looking for I've been driving around the roads

511
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: and scouting some fields here in the summer, And like

512
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: I told you a couple of weeks ago, I thought

513
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: I maybe saw him, And then the day after we

514
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: recorded that podcast, I saw him again. But then this

515
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: time I got I got a better look on him

516
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: with a spotting scope and I couldn't see a notch

517
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: in his ear for sure. So now I'm thinking, maybe

518
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 1: it's not him. Um, but man, it sure looked like

519
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: you know, the brow times and the main beam sure

520
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: looked like it. So I don't know. Maybe maybe that

521
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: could heal up a little bit, so it's not quite

522
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: as it doesn't stand out quite as much as it

523
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: has in the past. Maybe that's possible. I don't know.

524
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: It's been it's been four years since I saw him

525
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: first get that injury, so that's possible. Um, But I

526
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I I haven't been obsessing as much.

527
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: I did do some videos recently where I was kind

528
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: of going through, um, all my video stuff from last

529
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: year and kind of analyzing what I did right, what

530
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: I did wrong. So that got me thinking about some

531
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: of this a little bit, so I have been rethinking

532
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: how I want to tweak some stand locations. Um, but

533
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: so much of it with him in this property, there's

534
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: only so many decent spots I can hunt, And so

535
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of okay, you know, just pick

536
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: the right one of these like four stands you can

537
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: hunt during the rut and make sure you've got the

538
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: conditions right and hope that he's going to come cruising

539
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: through without you messing it up. And just do the

540
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: stuff that I know I gotta do. And you know,

541
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: like we've talked, over the years, I've put myself in

542
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: a position where every year I've had a shot opportunity

543
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: at him. You know, the first two years I passed.

544
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: The third year I just wasn't ready for it. So

545
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily a matter of me doing something dramatically different.

546
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: I think it's just a matter of me doing what

547
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: I know I need to do and executing on that

548
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: plan the right way. You know, don't take any shortcuts,

549
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: don't get lazy. Um. And if I do that, I

550
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: think I'll have a shot or two. Um, if he's

551
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: still in the air, I'll have an opportunity. Uh, just

552
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: a matter of if I can you know, take advantage

553
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: of it. So yeah, that's the Holy Field deal. But

554
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: you know that survivor buck he could piece hopefully back

555
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: and he I think will be a really cool deal

556
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: this year he'd be a four year old. And then

557
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: that mega giant that I saw at the end of

558
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: last year a couple of times. Uh, if he hangs

559
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: out on this property, that would be cool to see

560
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: because I haven't seen a Michigan buck like that before. Um,

561
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: So that's all exciting for this little spot here. And

562
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: then you know question question about your northern Michigan spot. Yeah, okay,

563
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: so you you got a picture of this drop time

564
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: buck there right, So you've done some habitat work there.

565
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: It looks like it's paid off as far as bringing

566
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: the uh, you know, some deer back into the area. Um,

567
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: has that habitat work you think directly impacted them the

568
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: age class of deer that's visiting that farm. So I

569
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: definitely think it's directly impacted stuff. If it has directly

570
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,959
Speaker 1: impacted the age class, I don't know about that, but

571
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: what it has done, you know, it's it's such a

572
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: small property, just forty acres um and really the the

573
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: section of it that we can access to make any

574
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: changes is much smaller than that. I mean, you know,

575
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: the maybe the front twenty, the back twenty is just

576
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: kind of swamp in low grounds, so it's kind of

577
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,479
Speaker 1: all wet and stuff. The front twenty part of that

578
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: has our cabin and the yard and like some pines.

579
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: And then so then maybe we're down now to about

580
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: ten acres where I could do some stuff. And of that,

581
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: you know, there's only a couple of acres that are

582
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: workable at all without having some major logging done or

583
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: someone coming with a doze or knockout trees, and we

584
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: just haven't been able to do that yet. So to

585
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: this point we have maybe an acre of openings made now. Um,

586
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: so it's not you know, sub substantial that we're changing

587
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: the nutritional output to a to a really heavy degree

588
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: or anything. But but what it does, what it has done,

589
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: is it created this focal point that we never had before.

590
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: So there's just no high quality food like this around

591
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: the area anywhere, at least you know, really close to

592
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: this property. Maybe maybe some I have heard some people

593
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: a neighbor of oursists said that such and such down

594
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: the road is plant some food plots. And there is

595
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: one crop field maybe a mile and a half away,

596
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: um that I've seen before, but um but otherwise there

597
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: just isn't this kind of food. So when you put in,

598
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, a tasty, little green food source

599
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: like we have here, We've we kind of carved out

600
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: three little food plots. Kind of it's more so like

601
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: two because two of them are connected now, um, so

602
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: kind of one and a half food plots as suppose,

603
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: and planet oats and buckwheat and so it's just kind

604
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: of like this little ice cream section now that just

605
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: there's nothing like it. So we've got all of a sudden,

606
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: a couple of dough family groups that are hanging out

607
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: here consistently and consistently visiting this area that we never

608
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: had before. You know, I've told the story in the

609
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: past that we hardly ever saw a deer at all.

610
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: I mean, we would hunt and maybe one person would

611
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,719
Speaker 1: see a deer or two for the whole you know,

612
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: we usually go up there opening weekend plus a handful

613
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: of day. So maybe we'll say four to five day

614
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: period that there's a group of guys up there, maybe

615
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: four to five guys, and we might just see a

616
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: couple of deer over the whole group. Um, and this

617
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: is hunting our property. Plus was a bunch of public

618
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: land all around it that we hunt to. So now

619
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: though we put in this food and now we're seeing

620
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: deer consistently at least so lots of doughs. I've never

621
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: seen does as consistently as we're seeing now, So that's awesome.

622
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: And now on camera we're starting to get mature bucks.

623
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: I think that's simply because now there's a consistent dope

624
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: population here, and now that there's a consistent group of

625
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 1: doughs that are hitting this food plot, there's a reason

626
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: for these mature bucks to come through and take a look.

627
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: And I think the reason why there's mature bucks now,

628
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure there were always a mature bucker too in

629
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: the general area, because this is like some mega big

630
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: swamp country that people never get into. So I'm sure

631
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: that there's been some big old bucks that have made

632
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: it to old age that just because there's no one

633
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: out there getting to them. But we're kind of getting

634
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: those deer to come up towards our area now with

635
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: these doughs that are kind of readily available, and the

636
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: Antler point restrictions went into play three years ago, I

637
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: think or four years ago in this area, So now

638
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 1: a lot more of those year and a half old

639
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: bucks are getting passed on. So I just think you've

640
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: got more two year olds, which means eventually more three

641
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: year olds, which means yet more four year olds. Um.

642
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: And that has seemed to make an impact. So we're

643
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: seeing way more bucks that you know, fifteen years ago,

644
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: everyone would have been like, oh, it smokes, that's a

645
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: nice eight pointer and it was a two year old

646
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: eight pointer, um. But now we're actually seeing three year

647
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: olds and four year olds, which um, which is which

648
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: is like I am, I would be so excited if

649
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: I could kill a three year old buck on that property,

650
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 1: that would be you know, one of the best bucks

651
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: ever killed up there. And if I could do that,

652
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: that would be that would be the coolest thing possible.

653
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: Like then the top goal I could accomplish probably well,

654
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: it'd be right up there with killing holy Field would

655
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: be really close to being is satisfying as killing holy

656
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: Field would be just because the history have you know here,

657
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: and the kind of the low point that we're at

658
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: and how we've been able to kind of slowly improve it.

659
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: So there's so much more we could do. I feel

660
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 1: like if we could like hire a lagger to come

661
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: in and clear out a few more spots for us,

662
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: or if we could hire a guy with a doze

663
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: or to come and push open some areas, because because

664
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: the biggest thing is we just need food. We need edge,

665
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: and we need food. Because right now, I mean, before

666
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: we did anything, it's just basically a forty acre square

667
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: of thick pine trees and swamp, just no transition, no edge,

668
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: no features at all, just thick crap. And then that

669
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: continues on for fifteen acres in every other direction. Now,

670
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we've got some companies, We've got

671
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: some edge, um, we've got some different kind of food.

672
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: So you you all of a sudden start getting different

673
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: ways that the deer relate to it. You can start

674
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: anticipating how they might travel. So now you have an idea. Okay,

675
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: here's a couple of spots that these does do seem

676
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: to be betting in relation to this food. Here's how

677
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: they're coming in during the rout. It seems like we're

678
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: seeing the one or two mature bucks that have been

679
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: popping up like last year there was um, there was

680
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: one mature about the show up on camera. The year

681
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: before that there was two. UM, and then they seem

682
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: to be showing up during the ruts. So I don't

683
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: think we have anything that's living on us consistently yet,

684
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: but um, but each year during the first couple of

685
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: weeks in November and late October even they've been popping up.

686
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: So so yeah, this year we expanded it even more.

687
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: Again it's just a little forty and UM. You know,

688
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: this year we decided to try to expand it a

689
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: little bit more and just try to improve the quality

690
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: of the little food plot areas we have so far.

691
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: So we just opened up more of it, took out

692
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: more trees around the edges, just open up the candy

693
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: a little bit, put down more line. We were up there,

694
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: like I said, two weekends ago, so we did some cutting,

695
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: laid down a bunch more lime on it all again, um,

696
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: and then sprayed it so because of it, because of

697
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: the soil quality there and it's all pine trees around there,

698
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: it's very acidic soil. So I think now it's like

699
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: year three or four that we've been trying to improve

700
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: that soil quality that I think now finally we're gonna

701
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: be in a position that the pH level should be

702
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: high enough that we can probably start planning some other things.

703
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: So I might try planning some brassicas or clover um.

704
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think, like I said, we might have

705
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: like an acre of food this year. That'll be great.

706
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: Gonna have some different stand locations kind of around that,

707
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: and maybe next year find a way to get some

708
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: some new sections carved out and kind of go from there.

709
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: But it's been you know, like I said, it's been

710
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: really cool to see out there. It's a fun it's

711
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: a fun it's a fun place to go even if

712
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: there weren't deer. And now that we're starting to have

713
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: a little bit more success or at least a little

714
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: more opportunity from the deer hunting perspective, that makes it,

715
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: you know, just that much more exciting. So my dad

716
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 1: and I were up there together and that was great,

717
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: and I mean, it was cool we were I don't

718
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: I don't think I told you this last time we chatted.

719
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: If we did, tell me, um, But we had a bonfire.

720
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: We're sitting by the bonfire next to the cabin, just

721
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: my dad and I talking, and it's just before dark,

722
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, maybe a half hour four or five minutes

723
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: before arc. And we hear turkey gobble And this was

724
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: like June or sixteenth or seventeen, something like that, and

725
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: we're a turkey gobble off the distance. So then I

726
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: just start yelping with my mouth and he gobbles back,

727
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: and so I keep yelping and he gobbles back, and

728
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: over the next half hour I called in two gobblers

729
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 1: right almost to the edge of the yard, just yelping

730
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: it with my mouth in the middle of June. It

731
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: was awesome. Yeah, that was fun to have that happened

732
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: so late in the summer. I wouldn't have expected that.

733
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: Uh So, yeah, man, I'm I'm pumped about that. And

734
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 1: um that that's been the big project I've been working

735
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: on so far. So we'll come back in August after

736
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: my Montana trip and um, you know, put down, put

737
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: down some fertilizer, get him planted, just some stand locations,

738
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: and then I probably won't go Maybe I'll go back

739
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: once in Bohan in October and then we'll wait for

740
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: gun season in the middle of November to try to

741
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: hit it hard. So that's the game plan there. Alright,

742
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break now to think our partners

743
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: at white Tail Properties, and as we've been doing every

744
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: couple of weeks here in the podcast, I want to

745
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: point out a helpful resource that white Tail Properties is

746
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: put together, which is their new video in this land

747
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: beat YouTube series they've been putting out, which features my

748
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: buddy Ben Harshin, who's a white Tail Properties land specialist,

749
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: and in this video he shares some great advice about

750
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: using maps to identify habitat and terrain funnels that will

751
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: serve as this kind of ideal rut hunting set up.

752
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: And what I really like about this video is that

753
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: it actually features an example and which Ben shows us

754
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: what the funnel looks like on a map, and what

755
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: it looks like in person from the ground, and then

756
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: finally what it looks like from an aerial drone perspective too.

757
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: So if you're still trying to wrap your head around

758
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: what we mean when we talk about funnels and pinch points,

759
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: this video will be a huge help. So if you're

760
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: interested in checking it out, you can head over to

761
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: the white Tail Properties YouTube channel and look for the

762
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: video titled Locating and Hunting Funnels. And now back to

763
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: the show I'm Jack, dude. I feel I feel really like,

764
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, just energetic, not necessarily thinking I'm gonna

765
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: kill anything, but just like really excited to get back

766
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: in the stand or a hunt period this year. Man,

767
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I got bad news to share, though.

768
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: That is kind of a downer that I want to

769
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: run past. You get your thoughts on this, um, can

770
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: I can I take you that direction? Okay, let's hear it, um, sir.

771
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: So chronic wasting disease. We yes, we um. We just

772
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: got word. Well, two things have happened. Number One, A

773
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: few weeks ago, the DNR came out with a new

774
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: set of proposed recommendations for managing CWD in Michigan. Now

775
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: um that they were proposing to our Natural Resources Council,

776
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: and their proposals we're pretty controversial, um, within the state

777
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 1: of Michigan. I want to get your thoughts on those.

778
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: But then, and with all that happening, most of them

779
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: where the c w D has been located to this

780
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: point has been north and northwest of where I hunt. UM,

781
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: handful of counties away, so nothing too close to home.

782
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: But just last week we got an email saying that

783
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: a CWD positive deer was found right here by us,

784
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 1: um in the county just north of me and so,

785
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: and it's a county where I do hunt as well.

786
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: So there is now c w D in one of

787
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: these counties that I do hunt in, and that you know,

788
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: my buddies like Corey and Dustin and those guys right

789
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: there right by them. Um. So that's just a huge

790
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: bummer that it's it's local now. Um. But that being said,

791
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: these new recommendations and new proposals, I'm curious such your

792
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: thoughts are on this. So this is what they're proposing

793
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: in Michigan. They're proposing to manage the state kind of

794
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: in two different zones. And not gonna paraphrase here, I

795
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: might not get the exact details right, So if you

796
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: live in Michigan, your interest in this, you should just

797
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: go to the d NR website and read the actual

798
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: proposal because I'll probably get the details wrong. But as

799
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: I remember it, Um, they're proposing a few things. They're

800
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: proposing that in the core c w D kind of

801
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: surveillance zone that they're calling this, I think this is

802
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: that the counties where CTB has been found. I think

803
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: that's five or six counties now UM. And then and

804
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 1: it might also then include the counties that touch those

805
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: UM in that zone. They're proposing that baiting be banned

806
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: right now immediately, so that would be you know, any baiting,

807
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: any minerals, anything like that. UM. They're proposing that they

808
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: will ban all um dear urine based lures and scents

809
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: UM that are like natural real dear urine unless they

810
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: are certified by the a t A. The a t

811
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: A has gotten like a new certification program that's trying

812
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: to certify c w D free deer farms and stuff.

813
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: So anything that doesn't get that certification, they're in a

814
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:04,919
Speaker 1: band UM. And then here's the controversial ones. UM. They're

815
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 1: proposing a mid October gun hunt for doze, so opening

816
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: up a handful day gun hunt during the middle of

817
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: what would usually just be bow season UM. And then

818
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: they're recommending taking our muzzleloader season, which is about a

819
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: three week long period UM in December and just changing

820
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: that to a to any firearms season, so basically taking

821
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: our two week firearms season and expanding that to a

822
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: five week firearms season UM in that area. So that

823
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: has got a lot of people up in arms because

824
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: of the fact that you know, it's just gonna especially

825
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: for the people that have been trying to push for

826
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: some changes to management that might help, you know, increase

827
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: age structure and improve the quality of deer hunting in Michigan.

828
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that have been pushing for

829
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: things like antler point restrictions across the whole state. Um

830
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 1: and now they're seeing this as just being like, man,

831
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: this is gonna just destroy the quality of the of

832
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: the deer hunting here even more. Um So. Yeah, and

833
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: they're also banning things like, um some common sense things

834
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: like no transport. Well, some people are upset about this too.

835
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: They don't want to transport deer carcasses across county lines now,

836
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: so if you kill a deer in a CW deposit

837
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: of county, you're not supposed to move it outside of

838
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: that county. Um So. I think some people are worried

839
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: about how that's going to impact, you know, certain taxidermists

840
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: or deer processing stations and stuff like that. Since what

841
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: if you shoot a deer up north and you've gotta

842
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: take it home, You can't just go home the next day.

843
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: You have to do something with that deer. Um So, yeah,

844
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: that's that's what's happened. Now, there's been all sorts of

845
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: people up on arms about particular that gun season expansion

846
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: and having that gun season in the middle of October. UM. Now,

847
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: the Quality Deer Management Association UM, at least the local

848
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: branches and stuff here have been proposing kind of alternative,

849
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: which has been, hey, let's let's find ways to you know.

850
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: Definitely they support everything from um, you know, stopping the

851
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: transfer of caucusses to de baiting issues and things like that,

852
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: but rather than the increased gun seasons, they're saying, hey,

853
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: give us a bone, like, throw us a bone, throw

854
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: us some kind of incentive to help keep hunters excited

855
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: and engaged in this area, and we will kill more

856
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: doughes like because because a lot of these regulation changes,

857
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: like the increased firearm opportunities, basically it seems to be

858
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: that they're trying to get more does killed to reduce

859
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: deer density in these areas, to hopefully slow down the

860
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: spread at at a high level. I think that's what

861
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: they're trying to achieve with these proposals. So the alternative ideas, hey,

862
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: let's reduce the buck, the kill of yearling bucks by

863
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: introducing an antler point restriction here in these areas. So

864
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: so we will kill fewer bucks because we're gonna be

865
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: passing on those year and anfle bucks because the APRS.

866
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: But that will hopefully lead to an older or a

867
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: more balanced age structure. So that's like a carrot. That's

868
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: an incentive for a lot of deer hunters that want

869
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: to see better deer hunting opportunities in the state. But

870
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: that will lead to increased dough harvest because now we're

871
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: you know, we'll take more dough tags um additional maybe

872
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 1: archery dough seasons, or or simply because of the fact

873
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: that now we're not gonna be targeting quite as many

874
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 1: books will, you know, the difference will be met by

875
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: targeting more doughs. So that's this kind of alternative idea

876
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: that's been put out there, and that might be a

877
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 1: way to to keep hunter morale high. Um. The point

878
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: being that if you go in here and increase these

879
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: guns seasons, you're just gonna get people disheartened about how

880
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: deer hunting is shifting in this way, and you're not

881
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: going to get the hunter engagement. And if you don't

882
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: have the hunter high morale and hunter engagement. You know,

883
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 1: you're not going to get the action that you want anyways,

884
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: because if people are upset about the situation, they're not

885
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: gonna go kill these doughs the way you want them to,

886
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: and you're not going to get that outcome. Um. So

887
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: those are the two different kind of proposals that have

888
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: been thrown around here in the state. I don't know.

889
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen because cw just

890
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: keeps on popping up. So obviously, in my opinion and

891
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 1: in the opinion of the scientific community, the management community,

892
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: people have done the research, like CWD is something we

893
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: have to take seriously. It's it's not a government conspiracy.

894
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: It's it's not something um that the insurance companies are

895
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: trying to shove down our throat. Uh. Despite what you know,

896
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: some people are saying that that aren't actually involved in

897
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: this stuff. UM, So I think we need to take

898
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: it serious. Him. So you're telling me that when a

899
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: hunting celebrity comes on social media and and says a

900
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: rant about how c w D is a hoax, we

901
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: shouldn't believe them. Yeah, that's what I'm saying in out there, man.

902
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what There's been some frustrating stuff put

903
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: out into the world from Yeah, I'm not claiming myself

904
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: to be an expert at all, but I'm going to

905
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: trust the scientists, the biologists, the people that really understand this.

906
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: Those are gonna be the people that I take my

907
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: information from, not someone who is trying to film the

908
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: TV show about stuff or who wants to sell bait

909
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: and supplements or whatever. That's so frustrating to see that

910
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: kind of stuff put out in the world and confusing people,

911
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: and it's just not something that we can mess around with,

912
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: you know, right, Absolutely so, man, when it comes to

913
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: c w D, this is something that I I am like,

914
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: I have internal thoughts about, right, So, Like it sounds

915
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: to me that before I say that, let me say this.

916
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: I bet you if we tested every deer that was

917
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: killed throughout the United States, c w D would show

918
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: up in way more places than what it's currently at. Right. Yeah,

919
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: that's probably true. That sucks to say, but I have

920
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: a feeling it's it's it is. It's almost like one

921
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: of those zombie movies where you know where it expands,

922
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: and it expands fast because a deer exposed to I

923
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: mean dear. We know deer social we need no dear

924
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: travel and you know, they touch each other and they

925
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 1: eat off the same I don't know the same plants

926
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: and and food sources, and sniff and groom each other.

927
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: And you know, if a deer does that a mile

928
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: down the road to another deer, and that deer does that,

929
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: and that dear does that, it can snowball really fast.

930
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: So like, I just think that c w D is

931
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: going to be inevitable, and I think that it is

932
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: nature's way. And this is me no scientific background, ain't

933
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: no research or anything like that. This is just my opinion.

934
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: I think that nature is gonna take its course, and

935
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: if a deer gets c w D, it's either gonna

936
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: die quick where it's gonna die you know, later on

937
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: after it's well old and mature. Right, So I don't know.

938
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it just seems to me like this is

939
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: nature's way of figuring things out. And the deer that

940
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: survived c w D and potentially don't get it or

941
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: recover from it, if that's even an option, you know,

942
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: or you know, they they evolve from this, then the

943
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: deer herd will come back stronger and they'll beat it. Um.

944
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 1: But when it comes to like going out and saying, Okay,

945
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: well here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna shoot every

946
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: deer in sight, or we're going to um increase gun

947
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: seasons and stuff like that, I don't think that. Obviously,

948
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: the there's a lot of people that don't need to

949
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: be giving their opinion. And I think even that the

950
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: c w D world, like the people the scientists, don't

951
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 1: even know a lot about this yet. So when like

952
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: the state makes a decision based off of science that is,

953
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: it's there and we're showing a spread of c w D,

954
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: but we don't know about it yet, it just kind

955
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: of sucks to the hunter where they're making these these

956
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: big decisions based off of science, but not like proven

957
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: science yet. You know what I mean, I do hear

958
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: you're saying. I mean, I do know what you mean.

959
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: But but what's the alternative? Do we do nothing? I

960
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I mean, if let's I guess, let's

961
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: walk through that once doing nothing and continuing hunting, and

962
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: you know, deer herds increase and decrease, you know, they

963
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: increase and decrease some you know, maybe winter kills them

964
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: or or something like that what does I mean, what

965
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: good does it do to have b w D? I mean,

966
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: do these these man ask killoffs if it's just gonna

967
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: it's gonna be around and it's gonna you know, I

968
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 1: don't know so many thoughts, you know what I mean.

969
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you know, we we We've talked

970
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: to people that have talked through the the sign that

971
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: the long term implications. You know, it's yeah, in the

972
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: short term, there aren't gonna be major issues. But what

973
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: if we get to a point where we scot parts

974
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: of Wisconsin are getting now where in some areas something

975
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: like forty or fifty of all the bucks are CTBD positive.

976
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: And what if we get to that point where were

977
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: you hunt in Iowa it's like that, and where I

978
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: hunt here in Michigan it's like that. And now all

979
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, we haven't seen it jump

980
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: to humans yet, but the Center for Disease Control doesn't

981
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: recommend you eat it because that's not acent for sure thing.

982
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: So what if now every other buck you kill you

983
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: can't eat? And what if you know, in Wyoming and

984
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: stuff where it's been known to be around for a

985
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: while longer, they are seeing population level declines because of CWD.

986
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: So what if we get to a point now where

987
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: and this might be twenty years from now, this might

988
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: be a long ways away. But what about when you know,

989
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: when Mac and Everett are hunting, you know, they can't

990
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 1: eat any of the bucks they kill, and they can't

991
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: you know, dear populations are going down by ten percent

992
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: every year, So that means we have to change our

993
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: hunter regulations. So now you can't get two buck tags

994
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: a year in Michigan because the population is going to

995
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: be going down. Or what if we find out that, yeah,

996
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: actually some percent of humans that have been eating deer

997
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: meat now are actually developing some kind of nervous system issues.

998
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: I mean there are I agree, like there's so many questions,

999
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: there's so many unknown still. But at the same time,

1000
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: if we don't try to slow it at least or

1001
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: do something, it just seems like the long term impacts

1002
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: are are scary. So I don't know anything about You know,

1003
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: Wisconsin is the kind of hotbed for this. Right they

1004
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: went in when they had this, when the the c

1005
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: w D first became prevalent. Right, they went in and

1006
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: they destroyed the deer population. Right, they tried to wipe

1007
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: it out as much as possible over time it had

1008
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: it been kind of rebounded, right, But what I don't

1009
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: know is are the deer in that area still c

1010
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: w D positive. Sounds to me like they are, yeah,

1011
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: But but here's the thing. What they did is that

1012
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: they did a like the scurse. And again this is

1013
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: me from the outside from what I've heard and read.

1014
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: We're not professionals and we don't live and hunt there,

1015
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 1: so I'm going to get some of the details probably wrong.

1016
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: But as I understand the situation, right when they first

1017
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: discovered cw D in the area, they did try like

1018
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: the scorched Earth policy, where they tried to really knock

1019
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 1: out the dear populations in these areas. They really aggressively

1020
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 1: tried to you know, thin deer populations and do different

1021
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: things like that. But then like five years ago or

1022
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: six years or whatever, they decided to go the complete

1023
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: opposite and they really like went hands off, like they're

1024
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: gonna they monitored the CWD, but then they weren't doing

1025
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: much in these areas whereas being found to try slow

1026
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: the spread or do anything else, so they want the

1027
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: exact opposite direction with it. Now, the last I don't

1028
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: know how many years has been, but five six, seven,

1029
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: something like that, UM to where they're not trying to

1030
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: make any type of changes. Yes, to your point, CWD

1031
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: is definitely still there. It is increasing. The the infection

1032
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: rate seems to be higher and higher every year. It

1033
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: seems to be that zone is growing out from that

1034
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: hot spot. UM So, I don't know. I mean, I

1035
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: don't know if if if the scorched earth policy that

1036
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: they had for a while, if that slowed things down,

1037
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: and if they kept doing something like that, maybe that

1038
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: would keep it from spreading at the rate it is.

1039
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the case or not. To

1040
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 1: your point, though, I feel like the balance with this

1041
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: and this is from a purely just as a hunter

1042
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: stand standpoint, But I think from the way I see things,

1043
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: I think we need to be doing as many common

1044
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: sense things we can do to to reduce the spread

1045
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: as much as possible, to slow the spread as much

1046
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: as possible, um to at least keep things from getting

1047
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: critical critically damaged until we learn something or find some

1048
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: other solution that's going to help us, you know, stop

1049
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: this thing in a more wholesale way. But but we

1050
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: can't lose hunter engagement and moraile either, right, because so

1051
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: if we start doing things that get hunters completely unengaged,

1052
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: then we can't you know, we can't do any of

1053
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: these things like thinning the deer population a little bit,

1054
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: or getting people to even report their deer or get

1055
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: their dear tested. Like if people are so frustrated, or

1056
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: if people's deer hunting situations in their area are so

1057
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: destroyed that they're not going to be part of it anymore,

1058
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: then then you're not achieving anything else either. So there's

1059
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: gotta be some kind of middle ground. I don't know

1060
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: where that is, um where we need to take it. Seriously,

1061
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: we need to learn more. We need to make sure

1062
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: there's money and time and investment going into researching this.

1063
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: We need to stop things that are spreading this around quickly,

1064
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: like transporting deer all over the place and you know,

1065
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: infect a deer getting loose out of captive facilities, or

1066
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: killing a CTVD positive and Wisconsin and then bringing it

1067
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: back to Wiscontin bringing back to Michigan and dropping it

1068
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: in your backyard and then having a new hotspot there.

1069
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: Like that kind of stuff that's like obvious. I feel

1070
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: like it makes a whole lot of sense to knock

1071
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: that out. Um the other stuff I know I've mentioned.

1072
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: I mean I read an article a couple of days

1073
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: ago last week about came out of the Pennsylvania State

1074
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: or University of Pennsylvania or penn State or something like

1075
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: that where they did the research and nine out of

1076
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: eleven mineral stations UH tested positive for c w D

1077
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: and wherever this research was done. So I think that

1078
00:58:55,680 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: this year is going to be my last year using

1079
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: mineral man that I literally was going to ask you

1080
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: do it? Are we at the point now where that

1081
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: the sypes of studies are showing that these mineral stations

1082
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: or bait stations are disproportionately high areas of concentration for

1083
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: this kind of thing? Yeah? Absolutely So do we have

1084
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: a moral or or or have it or even like

1085
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: a management obligation as hunters to say, you know what, Yeah,

1086
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: these deer can get it in a lot of other

1087
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: ways too, but this is one way that I can

1088
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: reduce the chances are slow it in some ways. So,

1089
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: even if it's not banned in my state, should we

1090
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: stop doing it? So you're saying you would, yeah, I mean,

1091
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: which is crazy? Right? Um? I feel it's my part.

1092
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: I feel it's my responsibility because I am offering Dear

1093
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: a concentrated place to meet, right, which which really sucks

1094
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: because hundred yards from where my mineral stations are are

1095
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: salt a lot locks for the cattle that the deer visit. Right,

1096
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: So if I'm not putting out mineral, the deer are

1097
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: going to be going and getting that mineral from the

1098
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: salt blocks and the mineral blocks that are being put

1099
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: out in On the farms that I hunt, there's deer

1100
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: tracks all over them along with a cattle. So I

1101
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,439
Speaker 1: gonna tell the farmer they shouldn't do it too. They're

1102
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: going to tell you you're crazy. They don't care. Um,

1103
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: but I feel it's my responsibility. Even if it's just

1104
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: a half of a half of a percent, it helps.

1105
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: I think. I think it's just my responsibility to do that. Yeah,

1106
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: I think. Um, I think it's something that people gotta

1107
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: start thinking long and hard about. Um. It sucks, dude,

1108
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: because it's one of my favorite things to do. Oh

1109
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what. It's seriously impacts your ability

1110
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: to capture summer trail cameras pictures because yeah, I can't.

1111
01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: I can't bait or put mineral in Michigan anymore. And

1112
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: it's really tough to get the concentration of pictures like

1113
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: you can when you have that out there. I mean,

1114
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: it's dramatically different approach that I take now trying to

1115
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: find you know, just setting up on a inside corner

1116
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: of a bean field and hoping that some dey are

1117
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: going to pass through their water source or trail crossing

1118
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: or something like that. It's it's nothing like having a

1119
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: trophy rock or whatever out there. But to your point,

1120
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: I think it's it's something we gotta we gotta think about,

1121
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: because yeah, I mean, there we go. We got Illinois, right,

1122
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: so now we got Illinois. Didn't they banned mineral stations

1123
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: or a while ago? Right? So yeah, it's been it's

1124
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: been banned for a while. But now people are trying

1125
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: to trying to get it reversed. Yeah. The people who

1126
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: are trying to reverse it are the are the people

1127
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: who own I think I want to say biologic, right,

1128
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,439
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I haven't heard about that because

1129
01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: that's most yoke um, not MASSIOK. But someone who's got

1130
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: supplements companies, Yeah, a company that has supplements is trying

1131
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: to reintroduce it, and their whole push is um the

1132
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: deer need our supplements because they're unhealthy. So the more

1133
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: healthy that they are, they are, you know, they may

1134
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: be able to fight this, which you know is it

1135
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: is an okay you know, is an okay reason. Right.

1136
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: If you think that your mineral provides um uh nutrition

1137
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: to deer, then that would be good to help them

1138
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: fight disease. But this disease attacks strong, healthy animals, right, Yeah,

1139
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: you can get anyone. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, man,

1140
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: I if they can show me the science that says

1141
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: that no way is our bait states and these types

1142
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: of deals impacting this the spread of the disease. But

1143
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything like that yet. All the all

1144
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: the research, all the biologists, the experts on this that

1145
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: you know that don't work for a deer hunting community.

1146
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: But the people that work, you know, for the USGS

1147
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, like the ones that don't have

1148
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: some kind of weird incentive pushing them one way or another,

1149
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 1: they're the ones pointing to the fact that, yeah, this

1150
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: this stuff is an issue. So I'm gonna I'm gonna

1151
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: put my faith in that. On a positive note, I

1152
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: do have faith that science and the hunting community will

1153
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: work together to help either like reduce this or solve

1154
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: this problem. I I just have a feeling that there's

1155
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: going to be a breakthrough because of how many how

1156
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: much dear means to people. Yeah, I think there's gonna

1157
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: be something positive come out of all this, and in

1158
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: the long run we may suffer short term, but at

1159
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I think years down the

1160
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: road there's going to be there's going to be I

1161
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: don't know if it's going to be a cure, but

1162
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: a solution. Yeah, yeah, I hope you're right. I think

1163
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 1: I think you know, I like your optimistic view on

1164
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: it too, And probably so if that's the case, if

1165
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: we're really hoping that something like that could be the case.

1166
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: It seems like probably the weak link right now is

1167
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: research because the charts I've seen recently have shown the

1168
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: funding that has been devoted to research and CWT has

1169
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: just gone down the tubes as of a few years ago,

1170
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: because there's like a bunch of grants that were given

1171
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: back when it was first shown, when it first popped

1172
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: up in the early two thousands, and that money ran out,

1173
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: and so recently I think there's not been very much funding.

1174
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: UM So I think we as a hunting community need

1175
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: to get behind different proposals to start getting some dollars

1176
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 1: put towards more research to to try to find those

1177
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: kinds of solutions. And I know that I know that

1178
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: there was something proposed earlier this year, a bill proposing

1179
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: some kind of um serious funding being granted to that

1180
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: kind of thing. So I think when those when um,

1181
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: when specific legislation has put out there that we hear about,

1182
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: we definitely need to push that, talk about it, get

1183
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: people on board, to get our representatives behind it. Absolutely,

1184
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: that's always a rent rent on topic. Though I know

1185
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: it sucks. Let's end this positive. Let's end on a

1186
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: on a positive note. I'm leaving for Montana. I know

1187
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: I'm jack for you because again I'll be living through

1188
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: your Instagram pictures and the pictures that you send me

1189
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: to be basically, you're being a dick to me. You

1190
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: send me those pictures like, hey, look where I'm at

1191
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 1: and you're not. Have you have you taken your kids camping?

1192
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: Do you have any advice for me? Because this is

1193
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 1: he's five months old, We're taken off for five weeks

1194
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: right now, I've never taken my kid camping, right, But

1195
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: here's what I will tell you. On trips like that,

1196
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: you have either got to get them asleep or you

1197
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: have to keep them occupied. I don't care how old

1198
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 1: they are. Right, So he's five months old. So what

1199
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: are his favorite things right now? Um? Boobs and probably

1200
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: a mirror so if you can so he'll look at it,

1201
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 1: or a pacifier or something, you know what I mean.

1202
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: Just like, so get him, maybe keep him up a

1203
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: little bit, make your night suck a little bit, uh,

1204
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: and then put him in the car sheet so when

1205
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: you take off he sleeps, or drive when you're driving

1206
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 1: out there, that's gonna be the suckiest part of it all.

1207
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm worried about. Right, So maybe maybe you or your

1208
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: wife sleep during the day, you know, try to alter

1209
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: go to bed earlier, or go to bed late, however

1210
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 1: you want to do it, and then drive through the

1211
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 1: night so he sleeps on a regular routine and he's

1212
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: not you know, during the day, he's not crying and

1213
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: have to stop and then feed him and then wait,

1214
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: stop and change diapers and all that stuff you can

1215
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 1: you know, and then there's been a drill. I mean,

1216
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 1: that's always an option as well. Do they have baby

1217
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: bene drill? Oh? Yeah, you can give a baby ben

1218
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: a drill just a little bit, but you don't want

1219
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: to overdo it. I'm probably not going to do that,

1220
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: but I don't. I was just gonna say, don't do

1221
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: that advice. But your advice about driving through the night,

1222
01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: that is a good idea, and it's something we were

1223
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: thinking about. We're we're talking about maybe like just like

1224
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 1: leaving it like two in the morning or something like

1225
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 1: just super early. So that um, so that to your point,

1226
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: he'll sleep for seven hours or something before he gets up,

1227
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: because I because I was worried, Like, man, you know,

1228
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: every couple of hours he wants to eat, and every

1229
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: few hours he has to get his diaper changed. And

1230
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 1: so every time we have to do that, you know

1231
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: that means you have to stop, pull off, take him

1232
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: out his carci do that whole deal. I mean that

1233
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: could really slow slow things down. I might want to

1234
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 1: be worried about and not. This isn't to go back

1235
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: to Debbie Downer road again. Is elevation, right, You're gonna

1236
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 1: be at a higher elevation and it could play havoc

1237
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: on his ears. Yeah, I hadn't really thought about that

1238
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: too much, but a little there's something you can do

1239
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 1: to babies to help them get used to that. Not

1240
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 1: to look into that, because yeah, I mean, we'll be

1241
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 1: going to even down in the valleys. You know, that's

1242
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: even that's still five thousand feet of elevation or something.

1243
01:07:56,360 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be it's gonna be an adventure and

1244
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: it's going to be different. I don't know what we're

1245
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,479
Speaker 1: gonna be able to do. I don't know what how.

1246
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: You know. One of the big issues. We weren't camping

1247
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 1: this past weekend with him, just to kind of test

1248
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: the waters here locally, and what we didn't even think

1249
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: about was just, you know, trying to keep him asleep,

1250
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: you know, when he goes down for naps or usually

1251
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: we put him down to bed before we go to bed,

1252
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: but that's in this little twenty ft box that everything's in,

1253
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: so it's not he has a separate bedroom where he

1254
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 1: can go and not be woke up by us. But

1255
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: it's all in the same place though, So if we

1256
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: want to go in and cook, or if we have

1257
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:36,679
Speaker 1: to go in and do anything, or if we're coming

1258
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: in and out to go to bed, and we have

1259
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,719
Speaker 1: two dogs, one of which is this big black lab

1260
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: who's really loud whenever he's in there, his tails smacking things,

1261
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 1: his feet are scratching. I mean, there's no way to

1262
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 1: quietly get in and out of there. So I don't

1263
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: know what we're gonna do for sleeping. It's it's gonna

1264
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: be like I'm just imagining the worst case scenario in

1265
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: my head right now, and I just imagine about oh

1266
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: two weeks, you and your wife are gonna look at

1267
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: each other. You're going to be fighting with each other,

1268
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: but you don't know what you're going to be fighting about.

1269
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 1: And it's because your child is continuously crying. And we're

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Speaker 1: gonna say, why don't we just go back to Michigan.

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Speaker 1: That could that could happen, And like we we even

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01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: like we even have talked about that. We're gonna be flexible.

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Speaker 1: You know, if it ends up being a disaster, then

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Speaker 1: all right, we're just gonna call it. But but hopefully

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Speaker 1: we can, you know, hopefully we have a good time

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Speaker 1: out there and do some basic hikes and just you know,

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Speaker 1: enjoy the western scenery a little bit. Show him a

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Speaker 1: buffalo and h a grizzly bear, from the road maybe, Um,

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Speaker 1: so I added from the road. Yeah, who knows. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna trying to We're trying to take him on some hikes.

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Speaker 1: We got the baby backpack thing for him, so we're

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Speaker 1: gonna try to do a backpacking trip with him. See

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Speaker 1: how that goes. Um, So, yeah, it's gonna be an

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Speaker 1: education in what parent life is like on the road.

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Speaker 1: I'll report back to you in the coming weeks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm I think next summer is going to be a

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Speaker 1: family Colorado trip. So, um, I might even be taking

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Speaker 1: some advice from you as well. Yeah, man, I think

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Speaker 1: it's just gonna be so cool. I can't wait till

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Speaker 1: he's as old as his a mac when I'm you know,

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Speaker 1: at that age, they're going to really, you know, get

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Speaker 1: excited about stuff and see you know, an elk or

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01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 1: the mountains and you know flip out. Yeah like that.

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Speaker 1: That just seems so exciting, all new world, man, Marcus

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01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: macus potty trained. That's exciting. That's huge. So you're you're

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Speaker 1: down to just one in diapers. Well he still wears

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Speaker 1: a pull up to bed right at night? Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: he can't. He can't really wipe his butt that good yet.

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Speaker 1: But when he's awake throughout the day, no problems, that's

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Speaker 1: gotta that's gotta be a great relief. One less diaper, dude,

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Speaker 1: it's a big thing. It's like I almost feel like

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Speaker 1: I should celebrate with my wife congratulations. I uh yeah, kids, man,

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Speaker 1: it's been awesome so far, you know, the first five months.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about a few times before, but

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Speaker 1: it's it's just been amazing. He's been easier to handle

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Speaker 1: than I expected. Like he's just been a happy baby,

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Speaker 1: a great sleeper, all those things have been great. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got lucky. But the big test, the big test

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Speaker 1: is still to come this trip and then hunting season.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, what are you gonna carry him around for

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Speaker 1: like a four week hunt? You're gonna take him in

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Speaker 1: the tree standing with you like that kind of test. Yeah. Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna try the new saddle hunting thing and he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be in the front pack, and uh, that'll make

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Speaker 1: for some good videos. Right. Oh yeah, man, Well, I'm

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Speaker 1: glad we got some time just to catch up. It's uh,

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Speaker 1: it's increasingly harder to do with kids and work, and

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Speaker 1: so thanks for making the BS session here, buddy. Hey man,

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Speaker 1: anytime any any final things we got cover for shut

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Speaker 1: this one down? Not really, man Um. The other day

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Speaker 1: I was going out and checking the mail and I

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Speaker 1: had to stop pop in my head like, man, I

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Speaker 1: haven't had spaghettios in a long time, and I just

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Speaker 1: really wanted spaghettios. I haven't had him yet, but in

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Speaker 1: the next couple of days, my goal is to go

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Speaker 1: to the store get a ken of spaghettios. Man, that

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Speaker 1: that's riveting stuff. And you asked, man, I did ask

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Speaker 1: why what made you think that when you were going

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Speaker 1: out to get the mail, Like what triggered spaghettios while

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Speaker 1: getting the mail? You know, I think, dude, abstract, random,

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01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: very abstract. Do you remember that one time that you

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Speaker 1: went into your kitchen, you opened up a cabinet door,

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01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 1: you grabbed a can of food out of it, You

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Speaker 1: started eating it and you later realized that was dog food. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was only one bite. You make it sound like

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Speaker 1: I ate for a container before I realized that there's

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Speaker 1: only one bite that you know, when anyone asked me like, so,

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Speaker 1: what's this Dan Johnson guy, like, I'm just I just

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Speaker 1: tell him that story and that's that's all that needs

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Speaker 1: to be said dude eight dog fed one eight and

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01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 1: then talked about it on a podcast He admitted to it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think she's a dumbass. That's that's your most admirable

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Speaker 1: characteristic right there, Dan, You just put it all out there.

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Speaker 1: Thanks man, I appreciate someone's got to do it. That's true. Alright, dude.

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Speaker 1: Well good chatting, and um, next time we talk, I

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Speaker 1: will be able to tell you how Baby Adventure one

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Speaker 1: point oh has gone. And that's at first today, folks,

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Speaker 1: So thank you for tuning in. Happy fourth of July

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Speaker 1: week and until next time, stay wired to