Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two ninety two,
Speaker 1: Episode two, after.
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Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America, share conciousness. It's Thursday, June twenty second, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know what time it is? You know
Speaker 2: what time it is? Jack, I know exactly what time
Speaker 2: it is. Oh good, it's good to know because this
Speaker 2: twenty wait what is it the twenty second?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I knew that. It's National Onion rings Day. Okay, shout
Speaker 2: out mine one of my favorite, actually, I think one
Speaker 2: of the more underrated. Fried flush National HVAC Tech Day,
Speaker 2: obviously with the heat out there, shout out to everybody
Speaker 2: keeping that heating, ventilation, air conditioning systems all in check.
Speaker 2: National Chocolate Declare Day, also World Rainforest Day, and National
Speaker 2: Kissing Day. This is your babies, kiss your loved ones.
Speaker 1: I don't think that was out until rainforests and kissing.
Speaker 2: There you go, there you go.
Speaker 1: Well, Miles, my name is Jack O'Brien aka Come Grimas,
Speaker 1: Come Grims Grimace, Come, Come, come Grimas Grandma's come.
Speaker 2: Come tell me that your love in it and put
Speaker 2: it on my tongue.
Speaker 1: That is courtesy of southa Door Jolly on the Discord
Speaker 1: politely spelled it com e, which was nice of them,
Speaker 1: even though we we know what's really up. Also, some
Speaker 1: people are going out and tasting the Grimace Come milkshake,
Speaker 1: and it almost seems like they think they're doing it
Speaker 1: on air.
Speaker 2: Behalf bro like I have gone bravely to the arches
Speaker 2: to taste.
Speaker 1: I just I just want to make sure it's clear
Speaker 1: we're not endorsing this product. We're just saying that it
Speaker 1: is clearly Grimace Come that If that is intriguing to
Speaker 1: you as it is to me, that's great, but that's
Speaker 1: embrace embrace it, but just don't don't be mad at
Speaker 1: me when it tastes that. I think one of the
Speaker 1: reviews was purple bubblegum and an Ui how Oni Yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: didn't you an idiot?
Speaker 2: Fucking idiot? I knew that.
Speaker 1: For some reason wasn't clicking today anyway, Philosopher may.
Speaker 2: On that one, and U I and U I n
Speaker 2: Yu the University.
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co host,
Speaker 1: mister Miles.
Speaker 2: Gradh Wow on we baby b anyway, Miles gray a
Speaker 2: k A. Look, this is from Christy Almagucci Man, because
Speaker 2: we did what's his face? Uh loan muskrat. Yeah, a
Speaker 2: loan scum was out here saying, you know, cis gender
Speaker 2: is now a slur. So allow me to introduce myself,
Speaker 2: Miles Great aka ciscull and Ebert aka Sissy Cis Demeanor,
Speaker 2: Elliott aka Sissypus a k A. Sissy Spaceic aka Twisted
Speaker 2: Sister aka System of a Down aka Sister Sister. Okay,
Speaker 2: thank you to Christy Amagucci Man, not wobble House for
Speaker 2: those wonderful a K's and all the other people who
Speaker 2: hopped in that thread. Wonderful. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Biz came in with Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants.
Speaker 2: Yes, was pretty good. Another good, what was it at
Speaker 2: Drew Gott's put Cisco like that thong the dong dong thong. Yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, And Sister Christian night Ranger sister, because you're
Speaker 2: motoring that song is everywhere these days, is it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: It's in air.
Speaker 1: I believe it's it's pretty prominently featured in air. But
Speaker 1: I feel like once it had its boogie night scene,
Speaker 1: it was it was over for all those other hoes.
Speaker 1: Journey anyways, Miles, You're thrilled to be joined in our
Speaker 1: third seat by a very funny comedian activist. She's the
Speaker 1: host of the great award winning podcast Good Muslim, Bad Muslim,
Speaker 1: the singer Fellow on Comedy at the Pop Culture Collapse.
Speaker 1: She's written in The New York Times, wrote and performed
Speaker 1: a piece on something called Fresh Air for some lady
Speaker 1: named Terry Gross. Is the hilarious. The talent is Zara Normal.
Speaker 3: You know, I had a crush on the Grimace as
Speaker 3: a kid. No why The Grimace and the Hamburglar were
Speaker 3: like my early pan jam Like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: What you had like like an awakening looking at Grimace.
Speaker 3: A little bit, okay in retrospect, Yeah, now that I
Speaker 3: appreciate my weird and kink.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, okay, I don't think. I just let
Speaker 2: me get screenshare really quick because I just want to
Speaker 2: I just want to bring images of this to the forefront. Okay,
Speaker 2: here we go. Okay, so let's.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh look at that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this one can get it with the teeth.
Speaker 1: Oh baby, Oh no, Grimace with teeth is really troubling.
Speaker 2: Yeah that happened. I mean, I don't know. Jack speak
Speaker 2: for yourself. I'm like, I bite, yeah, ship baby.
Speaker 1: Although without the teeth also troubling because his mouth just
Speaker 1: looks weird, and I like this one Grimace's mouth, there's
Speaker 1: a whole problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay, you know what Grimace was shades on Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: Grimace can get it.
Speaker 1: He's like kind of giving perpetual duck face, like he
Speaker 1: looks like he has lip.
Speaker 2: Fillery's gender is Grimace gender? I think Grimace is.
Speaker 3: Like Grimace is non binary.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, so MS.
Speaker 3: Is like purple Tellotubby, like early purple Teletubby, like yeah,
Speaker 3: and he was always sort of like gyrating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a little Yeah, he moves a little
Speaker 2: bit more dynamic than the his amorphous form would have
Speaker 2: you believe, where the.
Speaker 1: Hamburgers always kind of sneaking around and yeah, what about
Speaker 1: the Hamburgers?
Speaker 2: Something something about this like.
Speaker 3: There's always like so deviant, very queer to me, they
Speaker 3: were both very queer.
Speaker 2: So yeah, right here look at that. Yeah, just ooh,
Speaker 2: what's what's up with these burgers? Okay?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, we're looking at an animatronic and the big
Speaker 1: movement that they've given him is his eyes.
Speaker 3: Shady eyes, let's make a kinky sandwich.
Speaker 2: And they're just burgers with so many preservatives, and top
Speaker 2: it off with a grammars Cum milkshake. Why not? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 3: And sawdust?
Speaker 2: What's new with you?
Speaker 1: You are breaking a record here, or at least approaching
Speaker 1: a record.
Speaker 3: I'm so excited about breaking records.
Speaker 1: Yes, for among the most pregnant people that we've ever had.
Speaker 3: I'm pregnant thirty seven weeks and three days.
Speaker 2: There you go already dilated.
Speaker 3: That two centimeters dilated.
Speaker 2: Look at you. That's going on?
Speaker 3: And I have COVID, know, which is why I sound
Speaker 3: like this.
Speaker 2: The dedication.
Speaker 3: I'm so dedicated. Yeah, they wanted to induce me, and
Speaker 3: I told them to wait until I do this.
Speaker 2: Well you did run.
Speaker 1: You ran it by Miles and I and we were
Speaker 1: like that, actually you know two you you ran it
Speaker 1: by this a couple of weeks ago. We said, two
Speaker 1: weeks is not that much time for us to book
Speaker 1: a backup, guessed and so yeah, I don't want to work.
Speaker 2: And then this morning, when you're like, guys have COVID,
Speaker 2: I was like, and we got a show to record.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not recording this in person?
Speaker 2: Sorry?
Speaker 1: Is it is that why you're sharing that information with me,
Speaker 1: because otherwise it sounds like a.
Speaker 2: YP not an MP. I'm not going to tell you
Speaker 2: about it, but how is it? How you feeling? You're
Speaker 2: you're right there, you're on the doorstep feeling good?
Speaker 3: Yo, you know, I feel surprisingly well right now. I'm glowy,
Speaker 3: my hair's voluminous.
Speaker 2: Oh my hot. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's pronounced v l o U m E. Is
Speaker 1: that volume.
Speaker 3: Pronounce ven iOS ven i? Yeah, it's very value me
Speaker 3: And uh, what else can I tell you? I'm walking
Speaker 3: a ton Yeah that's great, and uh, like, you know,
Speaker 3: just really feeling this. I've been taking hypno birthing classes.
Speaker 2: Damn, what is that? Like a genre of music?
Speaker 3: It could be. There's like a lot of meditation, panting.
Speaker 3: It's it's really fascinating. There's some of it that is
Speaker 3: like a little bit you know, like cis white woman
Speaker 3: feminism of the seventies. That's like, okay, let's you know.
Speaker 3: Some of it is a little bit ablest and it's
Speaker 3: like pain is the devil and don't think about pain.
Speaker 2: Pain is just fear. And actually yeah.
Speaker 3: And so I'm a person who had chronic pain in
Speaker 3: her thirties and I had to work my way through it,
Speaker 3: and so, like I dig a lot of the lessons
Speaker 3: about it. Of like they provide you with the most
Speaker 3: visualizations I've ever gotten in a birthing class. So like
Speaker 3: I know at every single stage of my labor what
Speaker 3: my uterus is doing, why, how, what's going on? What
Speaker 3: are the potential And I have pictures they do like
Speaker 3: I had classes with like play dooh and like tactile
Speaker 3: shit holy.
Speaker 2: Shit, oh wow.
Speaker 1: Is it like you're giving your baby that experience through
Speaker 1: your connection or that's just for.
Speaker 3: You, No, it's just for me. It's so that I
Speaker 3: go in knowing because with pain, when you don't know
Speaker 3: what's going on, absolutely, it's more painful, right yeah, because
Speaker 3: that's how pain works. It's sort of a general It's
Speaker 3: kind of like anxiety when you have an emotion you
Speaker 3: can't identify and you're just anxious. Sure, yeah, but once
Speaker 3: you identify, Oh, I'm pissed at you.
Speaker 2: Right right?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: Right? Oh, this is tracting, this is this happening, which
Speaker 2: exactly that's good because you're building up this like psychological
Speaker 2: scaffolding for you to like enforce your mentality going through
Speaker 2: what is going to be an experience like any other
Speaker 2: that I'm unable to imagine or experience. But your heart,
Speaker 2: Oh my.
Speaker 1: God, I've ever seen a human being do like just
Speaker 1: so so incredible.
Speaker 2: I had so much anxiety going into like the birth
Speaker 2: of my kid, because like I'm like, how do I help?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: This is, but this is everything they give us so
Speaker 3: that it stops being sort of like monumentous in grandiose
Speaker 3: or on the flip side, terrifying and anxiety provoking, and
Speaker 3: instead lives as this like very natural, very biological, organic
Speaker 3: thing that your body is primarily ready to do. That
Speaker 3: Like yo, folks, women and comas give birth right and
Speaker 3: it's all about like relaxing, which, of course cut to
Speaker 3: the day I give birth and I'm like on the
Speaker 3: window stabbing my husband. Duncan, this is the worst period
Speaker 3: I've ever experienced.
Speaker 2: You're like, give me an epidural, Like give me that needle.
Speaker 3: We're my husband, just for you, let me do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh well, I'm very excited, very excited for you. Stoked.
Speaker 3: I'm actually genuinely excited for labor. I'm an extreme sports junkie.
Speaker 3: I'm very curious about how this is gonna go yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm taking bets if y'all think I'm going to cave
Speaker 3: in the first five minutes.
Speaker 2: Okay, So what I'll take. I'd have to see your
Speaker 2: birthing plan to be able to assess how much, how
Speaker 2: how much you'll stick to it. But if I see
Speaker 2: your birthing plan and get a little bit of background
Speaker 2: on how other labors labors have been your family, I
Speaker 2: might give you over over under.
Speaker 3: On my mom, I was three weeks early. She gave
Speaker 3: birth me in two hours. First kid, oh shit, so
Speaker 3: the second no epidural. My sister she came two weeks early.
Speaker 3: No epidural.
Speaker 2: She birthed my.
Speaker 3: Sister in an hour.
Speaker 2: Yeah damn.
Speaker 3: My brother three hours, my little sister four.
Speaker 2: Oh and wait, and you're the oldest.
Speaker 3: I'm the oldest. I came in two hours. Wow.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm thinking, you know, I don't know. Again, I
Speaker 2: don't I'm not gonna. I don't want to speak on that.
Speaker 2: I don't want to now.
Speaker 3: My mom was seventeen and I am forty three years old.
Speaker 2: Folks, Wow, okay a little bit. Yeah, twenty six years
Speaker 2: right there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's that differential on the PUBLC floor?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna get to know you a little bit
Speaker 1: better in the moment. First, a couple of things we're
Speaker 1: talking about. We are talking about Republicans being back on
Speaker 1: their fuckery with regards to the debt ceiling. Tryan posed
Speaker 1: to the pelvic floor the debt ceiling. We're going to
Speaker 1: talk about Molly being you to address racism. We're going
Speaker 1: to talk about Joe Biden ruining cost Co, other concerns
Speaker 1: on the right currently. All of that plenty more. But
Speaker 1: first we do like to ask our guests, what is
Speaker 1: something from your search history?
Speaker 3: Okay, this morning I searched can I have overnight French
Speaker 3: toast in thirty minutes?
Speaker 2: What that means?
Speaker 3: Okay, So I do this thing regularly where I'm a Gemini.
Speaker 3: I always forget to pre prep and I don't do
Speaker 3: the pre prep for the food that I want, but
Speaker 3: I still want it.
Speaker 2: Oh, you mean to like soak the bread for French toasts?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you have to for overnight French toast. It's phenomenal.
Speaker 3: You soak the bread in the egg mixture with the
Speaker 3: cinnamon and everything, and then the next morning you pop
Speaker 3: it in the oven for fifteen minutes and it's just
Speaker 3: like ready it might be like forty five minutes.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, I didn't. I never even knew it like that.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's phenomenal.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, I've never done that. That's I've always known it,
Speaker 2: just like on the spot, like you got your stale
Speaker 2: bread or whatever that you're trying to turn up and then.
Speaker 3: You are missing out on the soak.
Speaker 2: It is so custardy, Oh, custody.
Speaker 3: And it's got that like sugar.
Speaker 2: Char yeah yeah, like a little crembroulet kind of little action. Yeah. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm in Oh and you were trying to say, can
Speaker 2: I speed this process up? Can we move this along?
Speaker 3: The very American like, yeah, but.
Speaker 1: I need can I turn this grape juice into wine
Speaker 1: in the microwave over the forty five minutes?
Speaker 2: Have also googled that once in my life, how quick
Speaker 2: grape juice become wine?
Speaker 3: Right now?
Speaker 2: Please? Yeah? Yeah? Right now? Thirty minutes? And what and
Speaker 2: you I'm imagining that that search rendered maybe your heart
Speaker 2: slightly broken a little bit.
Speaker 3: I'm in denial still.
Speaker 2: Yeah, couldn't you do it like some kind of pressurized yeah,
Speaker 2: scientifically right?
Speaker 1: Couldn't you put something like a pressure maker that maybe Yeah.
Speaker 3: You and I are in sync on this, because my
Speaker 3: next move was going to be to look up the instapot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like thing or like a pressurized environment
Speaker 2: where you put the mixture in the bread and you
Speaker 2: pressurize the pressure situation. Yeah, it's just like I.
Speaker 3: Have a rocket scientist friend at JPL that I hit
Speaker 3: up for these kinds of moments.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Were they any help every time? Okay? Great, except
Speaker 2: for this? What is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 3: Okay? Whenever people talk about pregnancy, they're always like, it's
Speaker 3: like an alien growing inside of you.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I don't know, it's your baby.
Speaker 3: Well that's the thing. Is it used to be that
Speaker 3: way in a real safe kind of mental picture, right.
Speaker 3: And I had this whole process of sort of like
Speaker 3: coming to terms with this like birthing. Because so for
Speaker 3: other neurodivergent folks out there ADHD folks, we are relational learners,
Speaker 3: relational learners and and very visual and I have to
Speaker 3: be able to picture shit and to be able to
Speaker 3: like fully access it. And I was like freezing up
Speaker 3: and not able to actually plan for my postpartum and
Speaker 3: third trimesters and delivery because I was just like freezing up.
Speaker 3: I was so scared all the time. I was like,
Speaker 3: I can't do this. So the first thing I did,
Speaker 3: if you want to do this too? It really helped
Speaker 3: me to get past the like alien baby mentality into
Speaker 3: something more natural. I started watching a lot of anal sex.
Speaker 2: Porn, just a lot.
Speaker 3: To like really understand the movement of the perenium and
Speaker 3: how it expands and it can stretch, and what the
Speaker 3: human body is capable of, just in terms of pressure
Speaker 3: down there. You know, it's a phenomenal thing. And I
Speaker 3: watched a couple of like you could look up backstage
Speaker 3: anal sex preparation. Okay, listen, there is some professionalism back
Speaker 3: there that I am impressed with.
Speaker 1: You know, I think this is correct. But the baby
Speaker 1: doesn't come out of the that one though, right.
Speaker 2: I don't wait wait, I'm actually I could use confirmation
Speaker 2: on this too.
Speaker 3: No, here's what, but whole babies are a thing if
Speaker 3: you tear yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, sure, sure, yeah yeah yeah, it's sort of
Speaker 2: it's all one up.
Speaker 3: But this is what I was so scared of, was
Speaker 3: like the tearing and the you know, and I wanted
Speaker 3: to under say, like, how how is there a way
Speaker 3: where it's not gonna just be horrifically painful and tear
Speaker 3: and all this stuff. I wanted to get myself out
Speaker 3: of the fear of it. And then my husband was like,
Speaker 3: I understand you going to these anal sex sites, but
Speaker 3: you could also watch birthing videos, so I and that
Speaker 3: blew my mind because the obe literally reaches in and
Speaker 3: is like she's right there, and touches her head and
Speaker 3: pulls out a whole human. And I had this moment
Speaker 3: where I was like, Yo, it's not an alien, It's
Speaker 3: not a picture in an ultrasound. This is I just
Speaker 3: was like really humbled because I was like, all of
Speaker 3: us come from underqualified women's vaginas. None of us know
Speaker 3: what the hell we're doing. I think birth is like
Speaker 3: this noble thing, but we're all just like we're so organic.
Speaker 3: This is this is so mammalian. And that connects to
Speaker 3: my underrated Yeah.
Speaker 2: The alien thing.
Speaker 1: I wonder if there was a strong uptick in that
Speaker 1: after the filmmail like that, because oh, sure, the most
Speaker 1: visceral image maybe in film history.
Speaker 2: That chess bursture. See.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, and I do think that things like that
Speaker 1: really burrow their way into into people's unconscious.
Speaker 3: Well, and here's the other thing I learned about midwife
Speaker 3: activism is that so in check this out. In the
Speaker 3: forties and the fifties, the popular thing to do was
Speaker 3: to just put women under general anesthesia, right, just knock
Speaker 3: them out, Just knock them out. And they would put
Speaker 3: them on under like purple and Twilight, which if if
Speaker 3: you're not familiar, those are the drugs they give you
Speaker 3: so that you're like still cooperative but unconscious.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the hypno birth story is she goes in, I
Speaker 3: totally forget her name, Mangan is the last name. She
Speaker 3: goes in and says, I want to deliver naturally. The
Speaker 3: doctor says sure, she wakes up with a baby.
Speaker 2: In her arms. Wow. Right, Like that's.
Speaker 3: How little they listened to anything women had to say
Speaker 3: about their own bodies during birth, right, And it was
Speaker 3: a part of the feminist movement to have birth naturally,
Speaker 3: and that became bigger in the seventies. Lamas came around, right, right,
Speaker 3: and so did alien around that time. So I bet
Speaker 3: there's a link up.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that does Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: What is your underrated?
Speaker 3: Okay, we need more birth stories, folks. Yeah, Like, I
Speaker 3: can't believe how like I was at the shoe store
Speaker 3: buying shoes and I was like, well, I'm eight months pregnant,
Speaker 3: so my foot is growing. And the this chick, straight up,
Speaker 3: this twenty something chicks straight up just goes, Oh, I
Speaker 3: don't know how to relate to you at all.
Speaker 2: Look, I gotta I'm fining a lot of shoes today.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to relate to Wait, you can
Speaker 2: stop talking.
Speaker 1: I can't relate so like, I don't know why you're
Speaker 1: still talking.
Speaker 2: You know, I can't relate to this, right, but okay,
Speaker 2: go off. I guess like I.
Speaker 3: Had hired this like dog walker to help me walk
Speaker 3: the dog, and she just kept asking me how if
Speaker 3: I was scared, and like why was it more scared?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: And I just was like, wow, terrified.
Speaker 3: Like these aren't even men asking me these questions, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. These are young women and like
Speaker 3: and and even like friends of mine who because I've
Speaker 3: been so far in a lot of friendships that are
Speaker 3: without kids, right, you know, I'm forty three. I don't
Speaker 3: have a kid, and so a lot of my friendships
Speaker 3: have been with like childless families, and I've dug it,
Speaker 3: and you know, we go on vacations and use our
Speaker 3: money in ways that are awesome, you know, and not
Speaker 3: Fisher Price. So I wouldn't anyway that. I just I
Speaker 3: just feel like we need more birth stories out there.
Speaker 3: It's like you know, alien animal, husband and read or
Speaker 3: just like nothing, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a like they when there is
Speaker 1: a birth scene in a movie, it's like some just
Speaker 1: auto fill like text AI just takes over and it's
Speaker 1: like the woman's they're pushing and then like being yelling
Speaker 1: at her husband and that's like the only version that
Speaker 1: we have is like shot up and he's like, oh no,
Speaker 1: you okay, honey, Yeah, and like that's it.
Speaker 3: And one of the things I've been digging about my
Speaker 3: hypno birth in class is all the meditation that women
Speaker 3: do in the videos. In their videos, women are all
Speaker 3: like really quiet, really meditative, really introspective, and you can
Speaker 3: see them sort of like internal and bearing down, and
Speaker 3: it's not this like screaming fiasco that I feel like
Speaker 3: is designed to scare the shit out of women.
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure, absolutely, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We watched some birthing videos around the birth of our
Speaker 1: first and yeah, just some people are able to just yeah,
Speaker 1: meditative quiet, like just and I don't like that that
Speaker 1: certainly wasn't what happened in their case, but it's definitely
Speaker 1: a good story to have contributed to the overall vision
Speaker 1: of how this can go well.
Speaker 3: And you know, not that I'm opposed to screaming and
Speaker 3: throwing darts at my husband as it's happening.
Speaker 2: Darts scientific I don't think I seen.
Speaker 3: I was thinking, yeah, I could like create a bullseye
Speaker 3: and just like, yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like a really powerful nerve cannon.
Speaker 2: Show me the target you're painted on his chest with
Speaker 2: SHARPI earlier, Now let me see get one in here.
Speaker 2: But yeah, my mind was completely so much of my
Speaker 2: perception around pregnancy and childbirth was informed by fucking nineties
Speaker 2: movies exactly nine Months and Ship, where I'm like, like,
Speaker 2: what you think is going on? And then you talk
Speaker 2: like then I talked to my other friends and relatives
Speaker 2: and people who I respect who have gone through this
Speaker 2: maybe one time or multiple times, and then I was like,
Speaker 2: they're giving me really good advice. And I realized how
Speaker 2: much of that shit seeps into your brain and completely
Speaker 2: just changes what exactly this whole thing is. And once
Speaker 2: I was able to sort of get past this like
Speaker 2: media informed idea of what it meant. I was able
Speaker 2: to enter this more like peaceful, calm, like loving part
Speaker 2: where my energy wasn't fear, but more like, how can
Speaker 2: I use my love to make this process the best
Speaker 2: way possible and then enter into this without necessarily having
Speaker 2: like the fear of someone screaming at me or accidentally
Speaker 2: grabbing my penis because they think it's my hand, Like
Speaker 2: in all the movies in the eighties grab someone's hand.
Speaker 2: I forget what movie that? Do you know what I'm
Speaker 2: talking about. There's a movie.
Speaker 3: Where no, but that's totally what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2: In months or something, and like someone's giving birth and
Speaker 2: someone's like, grab a hold of something, and this woman
Speaker 2: just grabs the dude's crotch and just like the guy's
Speaker 2: like a and she's like, you have a very big finger,
Speaker 2: and I forget what that is. I'm sure that gang
Speaker 2: well know exactly what I'm talking about. But anyway, oh
Speaker 2: my god.
Speaker 3: You don't understand. I have such a nice husband. I
Speaker 3: used to play this game with him called open up
Speaker 3: your legs. I'm gonna narrowly miss your balls, and I
Speaker 3: would make this and he would do it every time.
Speaker 3: He would open up his legs, and he'd always be like, oh,
Speaker 3: I hate this game.
Speaker 2: How does he win that game?
Speaker 3: It's always about whether I win or lose.
Speaker 2: That was the game.
Speaker 3: He's a CIS man. He's a cis white man in
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 2: Sorry, we don't want to run a foul. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then one day we were at dinner with friends
Speaker 3: and I was like, you know, he always lets me
Speaker 3: play this game. He just lets me and we're all cackling,
Speaker 3: and he was like hey. So then the next time
Speaker 3: I was like, open up your legs, going to narrowly
Speaker 3: miss your balls during a boring die documentary.
Speaker 1: He was like, no documentary, No, And I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: I love that. It's just done for your entertainment purposes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 1: It's just like when you're bored. I thought it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, you you were mad at.
Speaker 2: Him or something.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of things that I can get him
Speaker 3: to do in that labor delivery room I have to
Speaker 3: really think about.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes, but they're like, so what's your birth plane?
Speaker 1: You're like, all right, So first of all, I tell
Speaker 1: my husband to open up his legs.
Speaker 2: I was just asking if you wanted like a peanut
Speaker 2: pillow for your legs, or if you needed like a
Speaker 2: yoga ball. No, no, no, I'm good. I'm just gonna narrowly
Speaker 2: just smash him in the cross.
Speaker 1: Next, I just yank on his hair as hard as
Speaker 1: I can.
Speaker 3: And then I've got this allow I've got this grimace
Speaker 3: in hamburglar costume.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna get freaky. Yeah I was. I was
Speaker 2: asking my Obi, it's in my birthplane. Can you press
Speaker 2: this grimace for the last few pushes?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that would make my day.
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break. We'll come back
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about some news.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're back, and uh, the GOP back on their fuckery.
Speaker 2: What's the latest, Miles. It's not much here, but I
Speaker 2: just want to I just want to mention this because again,
Speaker 2: the fuck face wing of the Republican Party, the Freedom Caucus,
Speaker 2: they were like, they're like, this is bullshit, the dead ceiling. Ah,
Speaker 2: we fucking hate this. We need to we need to
Speaker 2: cut all spending, especially to social safety nets. But remember
Speaker 2: they did make a deal. They're a public they did
Speaker 2: a deal. They figured out. Remember they said it was
Speaker 2: gonna be real bad for the economy, but if we
Speaker 2: don't make this deal. The last minute, they made the
Speaker 2: deal and Republicans agreed to fund the government and pay
Speaker 2: you know, any outstanding balances so forth. But guess what
Speaker 2: now they're deciding they can fuck shit up by going
Speaker 2: after appropriations bills to cut spending. So these are the
Speaker 2: bills that are essentially that spell out exactly how these
Speaker 2: budgets are, how the money is spent. So their little fucking,
Speaker 2: you know, clever logic here is saying like, well, you know,
Speaker 2: I know, we agreed to all these figures and the
Speaker 2: debt ceiling bill, uh, you know, and like that. But
Speaker 2: to us, that was just a cap. You know, that
Speaker 2: just means we could go up to that amount. There's
Speaker 2: nothing to say we can't go below that by one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty billion dollars. And that is now the
Speaker 2: logic that they are parading around in some of these committees,
Speaker 2: which is basically saying like, we just agreed to that
Speaker 2: being like a number, the top number. And meanwhile, like
Speaker 2: every other sane human being is saying, like, how is
Speaker 2: that a fucking deal? If you say this is the
Speaker 2: number we're agreeing to for this debt ceiling, and then
Speaker 2: you reneg on that after the fact and be like, actually, no,
Speaker 2: that just that means that that's that's just the that's
Speaker 2: just the highest. So this is going to be an
Speaker 2: issue obviously with the Democrats and the White House and
Speaker 2: also the send it because they're always the ones who
Speaker 2: have to like end up seeing these bills and be like, fuck, man, like,
Speaker 2: what are we what is this? Like? Don't they know
Speaker 2: how to just fucking do the bare minimum? Spoiler alert
Speaker 2: They don't. And Senate Republicans aren't even really happy with
Speaker 2: this because even like some of their like they've somehow
Speaker 2: awoke from their maga coma in the Senate and you
Speaker 2: have people like this senator, I don't even I don't
Speaker 2: even bother to figure out who it was. Let me
Speaker 2: tell you exactly who it was. Oh yeah, John Kennedy,
Speaker 2: who is famously not the most consistent senator that we
Speaker 2: have to said quote, if you propose a compromise, you
Speaker 2: need to tell the truth and tell people exactly what
Speaker 2: the compromise is. I can tell you that senators are
Speaker 2: tired of getting the compromise, voting for it or even
Speaker 2: not voting for it and finding out later that wasn't
Speaker 2: the truth.
Speaker 1: So this is him complaining about this like last minute switch.
Speaker 2: Room exactly from the Freedom Caucus freaks who are like,
Speaker 2: this is how we can get this is how we
Speaker 2: can extract our pound of flesh or whatever, and even
Speaker 2: Kevin McCarthy is like, yeah, I mean, I guess it's
Speaker 2: like I get that logic, but I had to kind
Speaker 2: of make a deal with them to keep my gavel.
Speaker 2: That's really cool. So there's yeah, so bringing a bigger
Speaker 2: and bigger gabble to work every day, Yeah, try and
Speaker 2: take this so fucking heavy, but yeah, I get anyway
Speaker 2: more more brinkmanship on the way and systemically this.
Speaker 1: For some reason, this reminded me of like the conversation
Speaker 1: we were having in our episode where we interviewed you know,
Speaker 1: where we were talking about big sugar in the sugar
Speaker 1: industry and.
Speaker 2: How there were phenomenal episode.
Speaker 1: Thank you the Yeah, great episode, a great podcast by
Speaker 1: the way, everybody should go listen. But you know, early
Speaker 1: in the episode, Celeste was talking about how they or
Speaker 1: early in the season, like they win a victory, like
Speaker 1: they sue on behalf of all these sugar cane workers
Speaker 1: and like get this big settlement for sugar cane workers,
Speaker 1: like fifty million dollars and it's a huge win. But
Speaker 1: then the side that is like capital and private money
Speaker 1: and private capital just pushes back and just keeps pushing
Speaker 1: and they have more time and more energy and more
Speaker 1: weight in our world because they're able to just do it.
Speaker 1: So like even it's just like even a small win,
Speaker 1: like getting them to let the economy keep moving and
Speaker 1: like having spending for these programs like they there's still
Speaker 1: a way for them to clod back. There's still a
Speaker 1: way for them to just make any any victory on
Speaker 1: behalf of like social spending and social welfare into a
Speaker 1: loss because the system is just set up to favor
Speaker 1: any anything that is going to get in the way
Speaker 1: of you know, social welfare and allow people to like
Speaker 1: it's just better for them to have a thing where
Speaker 1: they're just like, no, we just privatize everything, and uh,
Speaker 1: it's like, why.
Speaker 3: Why are they such cartoon villains?
Speaker 2: I don't Yeah, I mean because we're at that phase
Speaker 2: too where we really have people who have no business civics. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, at the even most basic level, who have
Speaker 2: basically racists memed their way into Congress.
Speaker 3: Exactly, like that's how they got there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then like, okay, what do you want to
Speaker 2: do with these budgets about huh, I don't like Joe Brandon.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh no, okay, well this is bad how
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of people saying, oh, yeah, if
Speaker 2: we have another government shutdown, that won't be that bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah it would be, it would be. But again, this
Speaker 2: is this is the back and forth that we get
Speaker 2: to witness firsthand as we welcome new.
Speaker 3: Like a whole party of I want to die alone.
Speaker 2: Yeah truly. Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 3: The same mentality I don't care, I want to die alone.
Speaker 2: Let me die alone. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of racists, one of them has taken Molly
Speaker 1: and realized that they were racists and that being racist
Speaker 1: sucks white supremacy.
Speaker 3: What what are you trying to tell me that the
Speaker 3: villainized drug of the seventies, that that was the smoke
Speaker 3: screen to cover up the Korean War It actually turns
Speaker 3: out to be good.
Speaker 2: It might just might, but don't hold your breath now.
Speaker 1: But even around in the seventies, I mean I knew
Speaker 1: it was like first thing out as a party drug,
Speaker 1: in Dallas. But isn't Molly Molly's.
Speaker 2: Like, Molly is m D m A.
Speaker 3: I thought it was.
Speaker 2: Okay, m D m A. Let's be let's be a
Speaker 2: little scientific here, I say Molly, because you know I'm
Speaker 2: out here in the streets. Yeah, but it's it's m
Speaker 2: D m A.
Speaker 1: It is being treated as a psychedelic that is like
Speaker 1: being researched heavily, not as a thing that you just
Speaker 1: like give out to people, but as a therapeutic instrument
Speaker 1: that where like during a therapy you are giving it
Speaker 1: and then there is like a guided therapy session in
Speaker 1: which the kind of you know, effects of the MDMA
Speaker 1: help you come to terms with different parts of your
Speaker 1: emotional like scaffolding and like how you've been built and
Speaker 1: how you've built yourself kind of accidentally and haphazardly in
Speaker 1: the dark of your unconscious, Like you now have access
Speaker 1: to that stuff. And whereas like during normal therapy you're
Speaker 1: just talking to a person and it can be difficult.
Speaker 2: Or take time.
Speaker 1: I guess it's like the thing that you hear a
Speaker 1: lot is that it's just a shortcut to like get
Speaker 1: into a lot of these issues that people need to
Speaker 1: be able to address them. That takes a lot of
Speaker 1: time and a lot of like breaking down barriers to
Speaker 1: get to.
Speaker 3: The best analogy I heard for it was that because MDMA,
Speaker 3: it fills your receptors with love drugs, right, It's like
Speaker 3: a love drug. It's people explain that it's sort of
Speaker 3: like when you're wanting to dive into trauma just raw
Speaker 3: like that with a therapist one on one. It's kind
Speaker 3: of like pouring an empty picture, right and trying to
Speaker 3: drink from that cup, versus with MDMA, then you're actually
Speaker 3: sort of filling the picture with water. You're filling your
Speaker 3: receptors with good feeling and then tackling the trauma.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: And I have a few friends that it was absolutely
Speaker 3: life changing for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean we see the research constantly how
Speaker 2: it's helped, especially with people like with PTSD and soldiers
Speaker 2: with stress and like traumas it relates to like racial
Speaker 2: abuse and shit like that. It's like all we see
Speaker 2: are like positives here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a Psychedelic Science Conference happening in Denver this
Speaker 1: week actually, and like there's just so much learning and
Speaker 1: so it's a very exciting time for people who are
Speaker 1: in medicine. And like kind of interested in using these tools.
Speaker 1: Like the research that's coming through is that it's like
Speaker 1: a very powerful tool.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And a great documentary by Michael Pollin, Yeah on Netflix,
Speaker 3: during which I was narrowly missing my husband's both.
Speaker 2: Oh so not the most engaging. You got a little
Speaker 2: bored there some parts.
Speaker 3: I was like, I get it, I get.
Speaker 2: It, I get it, I get it all right, ball
Speaker 2: smash time, I miss, I mean narrowly miss, narrowly miss,
Speaker 2: narrowly smashing them. But this story is from a comes
Speaker 2: out of a recent study in the unit from the
Speaker 2: University of Chicago where researchers were looking at how MDMA
Speaker 2: was like enhancing the pleasantness of certain types of physical touch,
Speaker 2: and one participant stuck out to the researchers there is
Speaker 2: named Brendan because at the end of the trial, this guy, Brendan,
Speaker 2: filled out the final questionnaire and at the bottom of
Speaker 2: the form when they're talking about like, how do you
Speaker 2: feel going like after this whole experience, wrote quote, this
Speaker 2: experience has helped me sort out a debilitating personal issue.
Speaker 2: Google google my name. I now know what I need
Speaker 2: to do. When they looked at that, they said, holy wait,
Speaker 2: what the fuck does this person mean by I now
Speaker 2: know what I need to do, like go talk to
Speaker 2: them right now. That yeah, because they also googled. They
Speaker 2: googled his name and found out that like, like about
Speaker 2: a year or two prior to this study, he was
Speaker 2: docksed by like ANTIFA like researchers who are basically trying
Speaker 2: to put out all these names of prominent Nazis and
Speaker 2: white supremacists in the US, and he was one of them.
Speaker 2: He led a very prominent group in the Midwest, So
Speaker 2: they were like, what the fuck When they asked him,
Speaker 2: They're like, yo, so what's this plan white supremacist guy?
Speaker 2: Now that you've had some like MDMA, he said, quote,
Speaker 2: just realize love is the most important thing. Quote. I
Speaker 2: felt in that moment that all of my priorities in
Speaker 2: my life were just so messed up the way I
Speaker 2: was interacting with people, particularly people who are close to me.
Speaker 2: But there was also an almost euphoric feeling, a feeling
Speaker 2: of love, and I concluded that was the sort of
Speaker 2: feeling that I should strive to permeate across the world.
Speaker 2: So they're like, oh, okay. His background was, you know,
Speaker 2: in high school he leaned liberal, but then he got
Speaker 2: to college, joined a frat of like affluent white guys
Speaker 2: that were conservative, and then that being around those people
Speaker 2: slowly sent him down like that radicalization rabbit hole of like,
Speaker 2: hey you should read this book. Hey you should check
Speaker 2: this podcast out. Hey you should check out what they're
Speaker 2: saying on Fox. And next thing, you know, he's leading
Speaker 2: a you know, he's in fucking Charlottesville, like with a
Speaker 2: tiki tortise. Wow, like leading people. Yeah. So now this
Speaker 2: isn't to say like MDMA is a cure all because
Speaker 2: this guy was in a period of like serious self
Speaker 2: reflection after being like outed, losing his job, and like
Speaker 2: there's like relationships, like close relationships began to fall apart.
Speaker 2: But he said that really had him in a state
Speaker 2: where he was trying to figure out what was going wrong,
Speaker 2: since up to that point he thought he was on
Speaker 2: like a good trajectory with all this nonsense, and many
Speaker 2: experts like agree, they're like, yeah, intention is the key
Speaker 2: here when using psychedelics. It's not like you could just
Speaker 2: air drop a bunch of MDMA on the state of
Speaker 2: Florida and then like we're gonna move on, right, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: how to have the intention to at least be open
Speaker 2: to looking at your own life and being a period
Speaker 2: of self reflection, because again, this isn't some magic racism
Speaker 2: a racer and he also it's also not a.
Speaker 1: Pill that you take and have this insight. Again, it
Speaker 1: is part of a like total program of therapy where
Speaker 1: you're working with a therapist who knows you and has
Speaker 1: a sense of like where where you're at. And it's
Speaker 1: that I feel like there's just going to be a
Speaker 1: tendency for Americans to be like, all right, so I
Speaker 1: take this thing and like things, things are good Again,
Speaker 1: It's like a I take it like tail and all
Speaker 1: and we're good. No, it's actually part of working on yourself,
Speaker 1: which is uncomfortable. This just makes it gives you an
Speaker 1: ability to do uncomfortable work a little bit more freely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And there's like, you know, one of the
Speaker 2: researchers that were spoken to for this article from UCLA
Speaker 2: was just saying, like, you know, all psychedelics have the
Speaker 2: potential to help people get in touch with new perspectives
Speaker 2: for other radicalized in visions individuals. She says a drug
Speaker 2: like ayahuasca could be useful because it's like taking sort
Speaker 2: of a good hard, look at yourself in the mirror.
Speaker 2: She goes on to say, that's why ayahuasca kind of
Speaker 2: has a reputation of doing the people, kind of showing
Speaker 2: them maybe where they screwed up and how they got
Speaker 2: there in a compassionate way, like which is also there's.
Speaker 3: All kinds of studies of doing this on cops with
Speaker 3: PTSD that have been highly successful. It's like more prevalently
Speaker 3: used in the UK. There's lots of research studies on
Speaker 3: it there right here. It was like it became demonized,
Speaker 3: like Nixon demonized it all, and it became part of
Speaker 3: the like smoke screen, look at LSD, look at all
Speaker 3: these you know, who's.
Speaker 2: Not creeping inequality or that kind of shit. It kind
Speaker 2: of blew my.
Speaker 3: Mind that the guy who invented the PCR study found
Speaker 3: it during an during an LSD trip.
Speaker 1: What's the PCR study?
Speaker 3: Like you know PCRs, like the what is it that
Speaker 3: you do for COVID You take like a PCR test?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ali Moray's chain reaction? Yeah got it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he visualized it in an LSD trip.
Speaker 2: Oh, because that's how you visualize DNA samples, right, that's
Speaker 2: like the whole Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, Francis Crick actually the guy who discovered they
Speaker 1: couldn't figure out the structure of the DNA double helix,
Speaker 1: and he had the insight of the double helix shape
Speaker 1: while tripping on LSD and also after reading a bunch
Speaker 1: of research by a woman who had already figured it out.
Speaker 1: Then you just I guess he got a lot of credit,
Speaker 1: tryfe Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think again, like, it's it's interesting to
Speaker 2: hear this guy Brendan talk about it too, because he's
Speaker 2: all saying, like, this isn't going to solve our society.
Speaker 2: It's not like this is a cure all, but it
Speaker 2: is clear it helps people. He goes and say, quote,
Speaker 2: a lot of these guys who end up in these
Speaker 2: movements have a history of doing m d M A. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's like, but have to have the right framing and mindset,
Speaker 2: because that's the only way you can somehow be somewhat
Speaker 2: open to reconsidering your own ideologies. He said, quote it
Speaker 2: helped me see things in a different way that no
Speaker 2: amount of therapy or anti racist literature ever would have done.
Speaker 2: He still says he struggles with like these beliefs that
Speaker 2: he has, but he's completely like has been able to
Speaker 2: sort of step outside of this like white supremacist ideology
Speaker 2: like oh, this doesn't serve me at all or what
Speaker 2: I want like my life to be. So it's it's
Speaker 2: it's a very like interesting story. I know a lot
Speaker 2: of people, like the Shorthand would be like all right,
Speaker 2: MBMA for like everybody, that that's the thing, But we
Speaker 2: what we it's a it's a combination of things that
Speaker 2: really help you.
Speaker 1: But the version that he did is a clinical like
Speaker 1: you know, under super under medical supervision, and that stuff
Speaker 1: is much harder to do in the United States than
Speaker 1: in other places because to your points are it's been
Speaker 1: demonized and so like that is the thing that it
Speaker 1: can be useful in a society where they're willing to
Speaker 1: just accept what a powerful tool it can be for therapists.
Speaker 3: But I don't know, I say, I'm kind of on
Speaker 3: the side of everybody, let's try it, because right now
Speaker 3: a lot of people are doing that with adderall right
Speaker 3: and treating it like the drug that's going to fix
Speaker 3: all my behavioral shit. And I see and I see
Speaker 3: it all the time, and there's so much else that
Speaker 3: adderall does too that is like so detrimental and By
Speaker 3: the way, the like myth of the Swiss cheese brain
Speaker 3: is actually like an adderall side effect, not an LSD
Speaker 3: NDMA psychedelics side effect. Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like.
Speaker 3: A whole propaganda train back in the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 3: So for the way that like we Americans do stuff,
Speaker 3: I'm just like, I don't know, maybe more of us
Speaker 3: should just be like smoking pot and doing m D.
Speaker 1: M ah, it should be. It should be less stigmatized
Speaker 1: unless illegal, for sure. I'm just saying if you're.
Speaker 3: Gonna pick, if you're gonna polarize, rather than going the
Speaker 3: route of like cocaine and ad or all in coffee.
Speaker 1: Right, But those help you, Those help you do work.
Speaker 1: Those help you do work.
Speaker 3: And look at all these look at all these phenomenal
Speaker 3: scientists that got sh done.
Speaker 2: On LSD right right, but piped down about that because
Speaker 2: then you might nothmaceutical. Yeah totally.
Speaker 1: You can see the values of our society based on
Speaker 1: what versus illegal. And yeah, I'm just saying that the
Speaker 1: the legalization and the stigma makes it much harder for therapists,
Speaker 1: Like therapists are afraid of losing their license. It's very
Speaker 1: few people that get access to this type of therapy
Speaker 1: and this type of like official sanctioned, like well designed
Speaker 1: therapy work that this person had had access to. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it just it needs to be destigmatized across the board
Speaker 1: and made more less illegal.
Speaker 2: And just like thinking right about like the unpacking your trauma, right,
Speaker 2: because so many of us we go through shit and
Speaker 2: we just lock it up, we leave it in the
Speaker 2: back of our minds and then wonder why it like
Speaker 2: it ends up festering and affects all their dimensions of
Speaker 2: our relationships and personalized I have nothing to do with
Speaker 2: even that specific event that happened, right, And the power
Speaker 2: of being able to examine that is a huge part
Speaker 2: of having any kind of growth, because most growth is
Speaker 2: not happening because we don't have the ability or the
Speaker 2: openness to reflect on these things we've been through because
Speaker 2: it's so deeply uncomfortable. And it kind of reminded me.
Speaker 2: There's like this recent clip I hate to bring up
Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson, but he was on Megan Kelly's show, and
Speaker 2: the way he talks about his mother's death, You're like,
Speaker 2: this is exactly what the fuck like goes on with people, right, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna play this because he's so casual about this,
Speaker 2: and I don't like, I understand, like there's a lot
Speaker 2: to do, like his own abandoned issues with his mother,
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. But hearing someone talk like this,
Speaker 2: you're like, man, motherfucker could use some molly. But anyway,
Speaker 2: this is just like hear him talk just about his mother.
Speaker 4: But you know, our mom was not a fan of
Speaker 4: us and was pretty direct about it. And you know
Speaker 4: that's obviously hurts when you're little. But then I realized
Speaker 4: you can't control it. You know, you just can't control it,
Speaker 4: and your mother doesn't like you, Okay, boohoo. You know
Speaker 4: it sounds really terrible. And the day it actually happened,
Speaker 4: when I got this call, like she's dying and in
Speaker 4: this weird little town and set on a farm that
Speaker 4: she lived on in southwestern France, and she was basically
Speaker 4: French at this point, spent her life there.
Speaker 2: You should go visit her.
Speaker 4: And so I called my brother and he's like, what, no,
Speaker 4: you know, my son's got a soccer game, and I said,
Speaker 4: I feel the same way. I don't know this person,
Speaker 4: and actually this sounds cold or whatever, but I had
Speaker 4: already kind of made my peace with this over many decades,
Speaker 4: over thirty five years, and I didn't fall apart at all.
Speaker 4: I went out to dinner. I mean, I felt sad
Speaker 4: for her. I guess I don't know much about her.
Speaker 4: She was an artist, she had shows. Okay, I guess
Speaker 4: and and all that, but she wasn't part of my life.
Speaker 4: I wasn't part of hers.
Speaker 3: And yeah, this explained so much.
Speaker 1: I didn't fall apart. I just built myself, brick by brick,
Speaker 1: into a horrifying months cross exactly toxic masculinity. So didn't
Speaker 1: fall apart though I didn't consent.
Speaker 2: I put I created a whole set made of wood,
Speaker 2: and I screamed from it.
Speaker 3: Like, Also, did Tucker Carlson just say he's an immigrant?
Speaker 3: Is he French?
Speaker 2: No? No, you're talking about how his mom immigrated to France
Speaker 2: and he's like saying, she's basically French because she.
Speaker 3: Left his mom expatted his mom's.
Speaker 1: A hippie who left them at a very young age
Speaker 1: to like hippie it up and everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at six, his mom was like, you kind of suck, and.
Speaker 2: That's he has that.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: The other thing too, is he's I think he's also
Speaker 2: referencing the fact that later in life his mother hated
Speaker 2: his politics and famously like it was after she passed away. Right,
Speaker 2: she was also an heiress. She had a lot of money. Wow,
Speaker 2: and when she passed no, no, no, Swanson is who was
Speaker 2: his father remarried. Yeah, but when his mother passed her
Speaker 2: estate was it was sort of contentious where the money
Speaker 2: was going, and him and his brother fought her husband
Speaker 2: over the money. Despite him being like I don't care
Speaker 2: about her, I've moved on. Him and his brother they
Speaker 2: had a long protracted legal battle over her estate. And
Speaker 2: what happened was later on they found her will in
Speaker 2: a book that she had handwritten, and she had only
Speaker 2: left her Tucker and his brother one dollar each, so
Speaker 2: they got something burn but still like for it's like
Speaker 2: you can tell all of this like pain soirling around,
Speaker 2: like you know, yeah, clearly she they had a contentious relationship,
Speaker 2: but he was also like I need that fucking money too.
Speaker 2: It's just the thing that actually, you know, someone else
Speaker 2: talks about their mom like that. Bob Durst, Oh yeah, yep,
Speaker 2: ro Robert Durst, Yep, you said, Bob. That was like,
Speaker 2: hold on, you're kicking it with Bob right.
Speaker 3: I mean I did watch that whole documentary.
Speaker 2: Just burping up. Yeah, try having memories of my mother.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, like again, these are you just
Speaker 2: sort of see examples all the time. And I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to lay everything like you know them.
Speaker 3: A lot of sociopaths and psychopaths will cite their relationship
Speaker 3: with their mom as the reason for their behavior.
Speaker 2: Good and I it surely has to do with his
Speaker 2: like very you know, misogynistic worldview.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they don't understand empathy, but they are included
Speaker 3: into pity, right, and so they look that's one of
Speaker 3: the like formative ways that they look to access sympathy.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Well look, he wasn't really bummed out by
Speaker 2: it at all. He went to dinner. Okay, Next question, Megan,
Speaker 2: Next question.
Speaker 3: That was the biggest It's funny that he like it's
Speaker 3: it's almost an insult to his six year old self
Speaker 3: how he responds to it. You know what I mean
Speaker 3: is like you now you're going to like tell your
Speaker 3: six year old self that, like you didn't dissociate. You
Speaker 3: just weren't bummed out by it at all.
Speaker 2: You know, it did. It did. There's no way it
Speaker 2: didn't but again, hey, fucker, we get it. That's where
Speaker 2: you were forged in like the fires of like a
Speaker 2: art Marvel villain.
Speaker 1: It was truly like it would be two on the
Speaker 1: nose for a Marvel villain, like yeah, yeah, it would
Speaker 1: just be like, all right, that's a little pet. His
Speaker 1: hippie mom let him and then like he hated any money,
Speaker 1: and he like went on TV and was like, my
Speaker 1: mom didn't like me, And I'm fine with that. Well,
Speaker 1: like you know, just like fucking steam rolling over, like
Speaker 1: just a lifetime of pain, I'm fine with that. I
Speaker 1: didn't fall apart. I'm together, fucked solid, all right.
Speaker 2: Anyways, all right, look at my wood set.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break to marvel over Tucker's would set,
Speaker 1: and well, we'll be right back. And we're back.
Speaker 2: We're back.
Speaker 1: And Costco has been trending on Twitter for the past
Speaker 1: couple of days after New Mexico state lawmaker Stephanie Lord
Speaker 1: posted a part of a receipt from a recent trip
Speaker 1: to the store slash Time Vacuum Costco. She spent eight
Speaker 1: hundred dollars and blamed Joe Biden just you know, despite
Speaker 1: the fact that he's not I don't think he's been
Speaker 1: a manager at that particular cost Co. But the tweet
Speaker 1: thanks Joe Biden. Seven and ninety nine dollars and thirty
Speaker 1: eight cents for one full cart at Costco with fifty
Speaker 1: eight items, holy shit, and only nine non food items
Speaker 1: like paper towels, plastic bags, trash bags, and razors.
Speaker 3: Is that a Republican man that thinks cost a lot?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, but it's Joe Brandon's fault.
Speaker 2: It's Brandon's fault.
Speaker 1: She bought so fifty eight items that that works out
Speaker 1: to an average of fourteen dollars per item, which actually
Speaker 1: makes total sense for a cost Co. Right, fifty eight
Speaker 1: items is a lot of items to buy a car.
Speaker 1: I feel like like she is tetrising all of those.
Speaker 2: Items in that's about three cards. Yeah, yeah, that is
Speaker 2: a lot of shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Costco is just so like, that's what a
Speaker 1: fifty eight item cost Co trip is what you do
Speaker 1: once a year.
Speaker 3: Hopefully most of them are food items. Is that what
Speaker 3: she's saying?
Speaker 1: No, she said most of them are only five, like
Speaker 1: non food.
Speaker 2: Only nine non food right right, right, yeah, most of them,
Speaker 2: most of them?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what you buying? What you got a couple
Speaker 1: of how many rotisty chickens you get? I mean probably
Speaker 1: not that many miles because I feel like she is
Speaker 1: not aware of the like good value items at costco either,
Speaker 1: if she's you know, averaging out fourteen dollars fourteen dollars
Speaker 1: an item, but right, I don't know, it's just such.
Speaker 1: And then people were like, yo, that's first of all,
Speaker 1: like the things you get at cost cover, like lifetime
Speaker 1: supply of toilet paper. Where's the itemized receipt? Yes, she
Speaker 1: needs to give us the itemized receipt. I need to
Speaker 1: see literal fucking receipts, madam.
Speaker 3: How about you want to bet that's beer and wine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she doesn't want to show that it's all fucking
Speaker 2: Kirk signature light beer.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And she responded when people were like, can we see
Speaker 1: the itemized receipt? Man, she draged and was like triggered
Speaker 1: progressive left wingers and like, I don't know, this just
Speaker 1: seems to be we it happens all the time, but
Speaker 1: just this. It's the same thing with Elon Musk declaring
Speaker 1: cis gender a slur.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like.
Speaker 1: We're being attacked by by these words. But then when
Speaker 1: it comes to you know, the hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 1: people who are harassed by actual hate speech every fucking
Speaker 1: day on Twitter. Ye, he's completely silent. But when it
Speaker 1: comes to like a descriptor of his you know, the
Speaker 1: fact that he is cis gender, or that this person
Speaker 1: who's complaining, who complained to him is sis gender. You know,
Speaker 1: he's just the most brittle soul on the planet. You know,
Speaker 1: he's just the softest, most sensitive snowflake. But they they
Speaker 1: have somehow, and I do feel like they've like somehow.
Speaker 2: Won that argument.
Speaker 1: Hopefully it's changing, but it does feel like the perception
Speaker 1: you mean, yeah, just that that perception in mainstream popular
Speaker 1: culture is still that, Like I don't know, people are
Speaker 1: too sensitive who.
Speaker 2: Because that's still the status quo, you know, the status
Speaker 2: quote We're not there, We're everyone. Yeah, we're just not
Speaker 2: there yet. Yeah, where people we all agree that everybody
Speaker 2: deserves the same amount of respect and autonomy. We're just
Speaker 2: that's just not the status quo. So because of that,
Speaker 2: people who are like still fighting for it, like what
Speaker 2: is this? We're fine, but yeah, it's a I mean again,
Speaker 2: and also you show you you you let your transphobia show.
Speaker 2: Hardcore when you're like, CIS gender is a slurt. Okay, ful,
Speaker 2: we get it. Go back to your fucking whatever you
Speaker 2: fucking do.
Speaker 3: I don't understand that, like you're biologically who you also
Speaker 3: identify as and you're mad, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well you're using it to other means.
Speaker 1: Because you're using that you mean to me by pointing
Speaker 1: it out in context that I don't like, Oh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Is there a history of oppression for the CIS people
Speaker 2: of America? Right?
Speaker 3: This is like the other thing of like, this is
Speaker 3: why we need MDMA in our water. I've decided I'm
Speaker 3: all the way there.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: We also need to get him interested because he has
Speaker 5: like a like very dumb guy who thinks he's a
Speaker 5: smart guy brain and I feel like we could get
Speaker 5: him really interested in the Titanic.
Speaker 1: And he also is very confident in his ability to
Speaker 1: build submersibles. Remember when there was that cave rescue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was like, well, I'm going to bring in this
Speaker 1: submersible and it's going to save everyone. And people like
Speaker 1: looked at this submersible and they were like that's not
Speaker 1: gonna work at all. Like here, we we have to
Speaker 1: like go through narrow corners and that thing is the
Speaker 1: size of a fucking Mini Van Bro And yeah that
Speaker 1: so he I'm just saying there could be some efficiencies
Speaker 1: between these news stories that have obsessed people over the past.
Speaker 1: If we could get Elon Musky.
Speaker 2: Interested them, put them in a submarine.
Speaker 1: I'm just enjoy it down there, yeah, or being like, yo, Bro,
Speaker 1: you know what could happen?
Speaker 2: Bro? You could find Atlantis this ship opened, Homie. I
Speaker 2: believe in you, Bro, of all the people, I feel
Speaker 2: like you could go to the bottom of Marianna's trench
Speaker 2: and figure it out, Homie.
Speaker 1: Deeper than you, Oh, you think it's cool that you've
Speaker 1: been to space, Jam, Jim Cameron been deeper than everybody
Speaker 1: the whole world.
Speaker 2: He's just letting James Cameron that you're gonna let James
Speaker 2: Cameron like a bitch.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying is all these folks floating around
Speaker 3: with empty pictures and their mom is mad at him,
Speaker 3: and they haven't gotten over it, and they don't actually
Speaker 3: know what being mean means.
Speaker 2: They are just sad totally. They're very ticklish.
Speaker 1: They're just scared of anyone touching them. That there's like
Speaker 1: to stay away from me, just like balled up like
Speaker 1: a fucking fist their whole body and then yeah, you
Speaker 1: just can't do anything.
Speaker 3: This is why I roll with the Hamburglar and the
Speaker 3: Grimace and we mind on each other and we tackle.
Speaker 1: There you go, all right, Zara, Such a pleasure having you.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, my goodness.
Speaker 3: This is the best. This is the best vaginal sendoff. Yeah,
Speaker 3: before I launch myself down my canal. Oh yeah, another
Speaker 3: human being.
Speaker 1: Just like an ayahuasca. That's if you give birth on
Speaker 1: an ayahuasca, you're actually giving birth to yourself.
Speaker 2: Like that would be wild. Where can people find you?
Speaker 1: Follow you, hear you all that good stuff.
Speaker 2: You can come to my house there you go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can come to my house, or you know,
Speaker 3: hack into my phone and watch my birth with me.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Or you can go on Twitter or Blue Sky
Speaker 3: and Instagram. I'm at Zara Comedy z A h R
Speaker 3: A c O h E d y pronounced komadi. If
Speaker 3: you are Jack O'Brien, and well, we'll get out of
Speaker 3: some innui together.
Speaker 2: And we.
Speaker 3: Wish me luck. Folks, wish me luck out there. When
Speaker 3: I come to I'm gonna be working on my book.
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. Yeah, I want to see that baby.
Speaker 1: Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying?
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, everybody watched this. It went viral for a
Speaker 3: hot second in like a pocket of young women. But
Speaker 3: like everyone, everyone fourth grade and above needs to watch this. TikTok.
Speaker 3: That is a woman putting a ping pong ball inside
Speaker 3: of a balloon. You blow it up and it mimics
Speaker 3: the baby inside of the uterus.
Speaker 2: Whoa yes, And.
Speaker 3: And then as she blows up the balloon, she lets
Speaker 3: the ping pong ball settle at the neck of the balloon.
Speaker 3: It closes off the air that's the baby at the
Speaker 3: base of the cervix. And then she pumps the top
Speaker 3: of the balloon. This is fabulous. She pumps the top
Speaker 3: of the balloon. Those are uterine contractions that thin out
Speaker 3: the neck of the balloon, and that's how you give birth.
Speaker 3: She gives birth. I did it at home, and I
Speaker 3: popped the balloon twice, which is how you tear.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Like she didn't even have to tie it.
Speaker 1: It just holds the there.
Speaker 3: And then the way she's pressing on the balloon right now,
Speaker 3: those are contractions, and the contractions actually help you give
Speaker 3: birth to the ping pong ball. You see that. It's phenomenal.
Speaker 3: That's the baby coming out of the vaginal, out of
Speaker 3: the cervix and the vaginal canal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the and then the popball just comes flying.
Speaker 3: Yeah. If you if you push too hard, you tear.
Speaker 2: That's what a terminal velocity. That's terminal velocity.
Speaker 3: Easy, easy, take it easy.
Speaker 2: That's so wild because that is such a simple demonstration.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that helps not make so much of
Speaker 2: it abstract. That makes TikTok worth it the whole existence.
Speaker 2: Jack turns out that woman she's just wearing scrubs. She
Speaker 2: has no medical Is that real? No, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's like that's how TikTok is, Like I'm wearing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Miles, where can people find you?
Speaker 2: Is their working media you've been Yeah yeah, Find me
Speaker 2: at Miles of Gray, at at based life forms or
Speaker 2: social media platforms. Find Jack and on our basketball podcast
Speaker 2: Miles and Jack Got Mad Boost Talking to NBA. But
Speaker 2: also find me and Sophia Alexandra on our trash reality
Speaker 2: TV show podcast for Twenty Day Fiance. The reality TV
Speaker 2: is trash, not the podcast.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean it could be trash on It's up to you,
Speaker 2: I have the beholder and all that, So check that out.
Speaker 2: Some tweets I'm liking the I got a couple actually.
Speaker 2: The first one, Sarah at Knight's Gravity tweeted, I'll say
Speaker 2: I got that dog in me and it's snoopy. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: got that dog in you? And then another one at
Speaker 2: gl D Vittorio tweeted the reason people are having a
Speaker 2: hard time finding sympathy for the submarine passengers is because
Speaker 2: it isn't a situation that could happen to anyone. No
Speaker 2: one is afraid of a friend or family member accidentally
Speaker 2: spending two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to go crisscross
Speaker 2: apple sauce into the USS Jigsaw. Yeah, it kind of
Speaker 2: feels right.
Speaker 1: It's like such a dark story and yet like also
Speaker 1: so absurd that like, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean. The tweet goes on to say, I'm
Speaker 2: not saying it's normal to lack empathy for people we
Speaker 2: can't relate to. I'm saying psychologically, it isn't instinctive, because
Speaker 2: this circumstance is so far beyond being a conceivable three
Speaker 2: or apprehensible horror on a level past cognitive dissonance toward
Speaker 2: refugees or the poor.
Speaker 1: There it is, yeah, there, it is all right. You
Speaker 1: can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. A
Speaker 1: tweet I've been enjoying a DJ fuck at Eggshell Friends
Speaker 1: tweeted baby on board with what what's he down for?
Speaker 2: It's on board? What's down for? He's down?
Speaker 3: Hey Jack? Yeah, I'm gonna play a game with you.
Speaker 2: Open your legs open the.
Speaker 3: Narrowly miss your ball.
Speaker 1: It is like, there needs to be like a jazzy,
Speaker 1: like nineteen seventies game show theme that comes up when
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm gonna narrow yeah, like you said, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna narrowly miss, and then the crowd all goes man, it's.
Speaker 2: Your today is con contestant is a radio DJ from
Speaker 2: the Los Angeles area named Jack O'Brien. Come on down,
Speaker 2: You're like, it's price is right where you're like me.
Speaker 1: Of rundown and just throw my legs open.
Speaker 2: Are you excited? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore o brian.
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Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might
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Speaker 2: Uh? This is like some some nice sort of you know,
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Speaker 2: from the artist Meta m A E t A. And
Speaker 2: it sounds like it sounds like k trenata type production.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it's a K beat, but obviously
Speaker 2: K tronata style is very popular right now with the
Speaker 2: you know people like that house sound. And this track
Speaker 2: is called Questions. It's a nice track, good vocals, just
Speaker 2: a fun upbeat track just to start getting your weekend
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