1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I am so excited 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: about today's guests. For any of you out there who 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: have watched the film Jesus Revolution, today we have the 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: pastor with us who was depicted in the movie as 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: the young man who was in searching for meeting in 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: life and he found Jesus and he continues to spread 7 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: the good word today. So I am so excited to 8 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: have Greg Laurie, who is the senior pastor of Harvest 9 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: Christian Fellowship. He began his pastoral ministry at the age 10 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: of nineteen. Like I said, if you saw the movie, 11 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: you saw how that began. And he wrote the book 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: about his life and he says that the Jesus movement 13 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: of the nineteen sixties and seventies really needs to have 14 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,959 Speaker 1: a bit of a revival today, and I know you're 15 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: working on that. So Pastor Laurie, thank you so much 16 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: for joining us. 17 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 2: Tudor, thanks for having me. Great to be here, I am. 18 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: I watched that movie and I was like, man, it's 19 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: funny because you know, I was born in the seventies, 20 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: so it was something that looking back and seeing that 21 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: I can see my grandparents in that, you know, my 22 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: grandparents like, oh, this isn't how we do church. And 23 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: I still hear that today, honestly from people like we 24 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: have a church that is very much a you know, 25 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: we sing worship songs and the current day worship songs, 26 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: and I hear all you've got to be in the 27 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: old hymnal And I think it's it's very interesting to 28 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: see how you were able to bring so many people 29 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: to Christ in that way. But your story in the 30 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: in the movie, I think is the story of so 31 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: many young people today, and that, to me is the 32 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: most powerful part about it, to see what God has 33 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: done in your life. So I just kind of want 34 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: you to share a little bit about that if you can. 35 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: Sure. Well, my story was unusual back in the day. 36 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: I didn't know many people who lived a life similar 37 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: to mine. But now, unfortunately, it seems to be representative 38 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: of a lot of kids. I came from a brother, 39 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: came home, and my mom was married in divorce seven times. 40 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: She had a lot of boyfriends in between. She was 41 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 2: a beautiful woman, literally a dead ringer for Marilyn Monroe, 42 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: and so I kind of went along for her wild ride. 43 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 2: And it was a crazy childhood, and so I had 44 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 2: to grow up really quickly, Tootor, I had to in 45 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: many ways be the adult and relationship because my mother 46 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 2: would drink to excess every night and then pass out. 47 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 2: And if she was married at the time or had 48 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 2: a boyfriend, she'd get in a fight with him. And 49 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 2: I don't mean just a disagreement. They would come to blows, 50 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: things would get thrown around the house. One man she 51 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: married knocked her unconscious and she could have died from that. 52 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 2: So I had to learn how to fend for myself 53 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 2: but also to take care of her. So it sent 54 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 2: me on a search really early in life, like what 55 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: is the meaning of life? And why am I here 56 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: in this earth? And I really wanted to know if 57 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 2: there was more out there. And I made the mistake 58 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 2: of getting into drugs for a couple of years, and 59 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 2: I saw how empty that all was. So at the 60 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 2: ripe old age of seventeen, I felt like I was 61 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: seventy and I knew where the answer wasn't. I knew 62 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 2: it was not in the affluent life that my mother chose. 63 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 2: The adult world. I knew. I knew it wasn't in 64 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: the youth culture. I was a part of it that time, 65 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: and so I wondered, where is it? And on my 66 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: high school campus in Newport Beach, California, there were these Christians. 67 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,119 Speaker 2: We called them Jesus freaks. And I transferred over there 68 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: to that school from another school, and one of my 69 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: friends said, careful, Greg, there's a lot of Jesus freaks 70 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: on this campus. And I actually said, the last thing 71 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: you'll ever see is Greg Lorie becoming a Jesus freak. 72 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: It was last war. But so it kind of started 73 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: with a girl. And so one day I was walking 74 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: across the campus. There was this girl talking to a 75 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: friend of mine, and something drew me to this girl. 76 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: And it's not like she was the most beautiful girl 77 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: I've ever seen. She was attractive, but not like a 78 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: beauty queen or something. But there was something about this girl. 79 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: And so I walked up, waiting for a break in 80 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: the conversation, and I noticed her notebook for class and 81 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 2: various textbooks. And then I saw that book with black 82 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 2: cover and gold pages and ribbons of oh no, a Bible. 83 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: I thought, what a waste of a perfectly cute girl, right, 84 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: she said so, But it intrigued me. Why would this 85 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: girl be a Jesus freak. But see, the very thing 86 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 2: that drew me to her was just the presence of 87 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 2: God in her. It was like a light. And so 88 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: I went to the meeting that day in our high 89 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 2: school campus. They were meeting out in the front lawn, 90 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 2: the Christians singing songs about Jesus, and I sat down 91 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 2: close enough to kind of keep an eye on this girl. 92 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 2: But then before I knew it, I wasn't looking at 93 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 2: her anymore. I was watching these Christians and they intrigued me. 94 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: Why would they sing songs about God at lunched I'm 95 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 2: in front of other kids, are going to be mocked 96 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 2: for this. And then I just tried a new thought 97 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 2: them for size. What if it's all true? And I thought, 98 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: of course it isn't true. It couldn't be true because 99 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: Tudor I was very cynical because of my upbringing. And 100 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 2: then I thought, again, but what if it's true? And 101 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 2: then a guy got up to speak, portrayed by Jonathan Rumy. 102 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 2: His name was Lonnie Frisbee in the Jesus Revolution film, 103 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 2: And all I remember is one statement when he said, 104 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 2: Jesus said you're for me or against me? And I 105 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: looked at those Christians and I thought, were there for him, 106 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 2: and I'm not one of them. Do I mean him 107 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 2: against Jesus. I don't want to be against Jesus. And 108 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 2: then he said, if you want to accept Christ into 109 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 2: your life, get up and walk forward. And I thought 110 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 2: that's the last thing I would ever do, walk forward 111 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 2: and pray on the frontlawne of my high school campus 112 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: at lunchtime. But before I knew it, Tutor, I was 113 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: up there praying. That was the day that Christ came 114 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 2: into my life and the whole course of my life changed. 115 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting film you Your character says, you know, 116 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: I'm afraid that this is just going to be fleeting, 117 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: like the drugs, Like it's not real, It's not going 118 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: to be there permanently. And here you are, all these 119 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: years later, still talking about Jesus, still bringing people over 120 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: to faith, still saving people's lives. And it's funny to 121 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: me because you call them Jesus freaks. When I moved 122 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: to Michigan, which we moved to Michigan twenty years ago, 123 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: and I would I have shared my faith journey before 124 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: on the podcast. I grew up in a household where 125 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: we people call us Christers. You go to church on 126 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: Christmas in Easter, right, that was the way we grew up. Like, yeah, 127 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: so as a christ. 128 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 2: We call them ceo Christians Christmas and Easter only. That's good. 129 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so that was that was my family. But 130 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: it wasn't as though we never talked about Jesus or 131 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: we weren't faithful. It just wasn't the center point of family, 132 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: which it should be. And so when I moved to Michigan, 133 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: but I'd always kind of had that poll to the church. 134 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: And so when I moved to Michigan, friends of ours 135 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: wanted us to go to this new church plant and 136 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: my other friends were like, well, you're not going to 137 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: become a Bible thumper, and that was I had never 138 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: heard that before. I didn't know what that was. And 139 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: then when I sat down at Bible study for the 140 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: first time, the woman said, you know, if this is 141 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: the path you take, you'll lose friends. And I remember 142 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: that that tug of do I want to pursue this 143 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: and what do I And you know, the thought of 144 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: losing something is very scary. But just on Sunday, our 145 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: pastor said, if I ask you what it cost you 146 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: to be a Christian, and you say, it doesn't really 147 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: cost me much. Then you're doing something wrong. And I thought, huh, 148 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: that's interesting, because it does cost you, doesn't it. 149 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. You know, the Bible even says be 150 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: where when all men speak well of you. You know, 151 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: we love to quote the promises of God. God promises 152 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: to provide all of our needs, says to be with 153 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 2: us in times of turmoil. And God also promises this, 154 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: all that live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. 155 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 2: I haven't claimed that promised lately. Lord. I want to 156 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: be persecuted more. But you will be. And it's not 157 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 2: even really because of anything you do. It's just because 158 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: of who you are, because you believe in this truth 159 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 2: and you hold on to this truth. And you know, 160 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: Christians are often described as intolerant. I find that the 161 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 2: Christians I know are among the most tolerant people out there. 162 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 2: You know, we want people to believe what we believe, 163 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 2: but we don't say they have to be silenced and 164 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: they're not entitled to an opinion. We will want to 165 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: engage them in dialogue with them and even debate them, 166 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 2: as opposed to other people who claim to be tolerant, 167 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: who are the most intolerant people. They want to silence us, 168 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 2: they want to shut us down, They don't want us 169 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 2: to have a voice in the conversation. But this is 170 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 2: what happens, though, and we are light in a dark place, 171 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 2: and we need to just keep letting the light shine. 172 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: I think that the moment I really realized how powerful 173 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: God is and what a powerful force he is in 174 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: my life is that when I realized the Bible is 175 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: the living word of God that continues. We live in 176 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: the Bible every day. Like your story is a biblical story, 177 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: and you only you can talk to people who are 178 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: who have faith and who have been not grown up 179 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: in the faith. And God knew that about you, Like 180 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: your story is so important to your path because He 181 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: had to have you go through the pain of the 182 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: way you were brought up in your childhood for you 183 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: to be able to connect with those people, just like 184 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: the Bible speaks to people, and all the different stories 185 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: speak to different people in different ways, because you have 186 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: to be able to see your own story and that 187 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: to come to Jesus. 188 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really true. And you know it's called a testimony, 189 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: and every believer has a testimony. Now some are more 190 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: dramatic than others. I have some friends like my friend 191 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 2: Darryl Strawberry. You know, he was a famous baseball player, 192 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: but he got heavily into drugs and actually was sent 193 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: to prison, but he came to Christ powerful testimony. I 194 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: have another friend named Michael Frenzies that was actually in 195 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 2: the mob. He was being groomed to become the next 196 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 2: Donner Godfather, and the Lord got hold of him in 197 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 2: prison and he came to Christ. Now he's out serving 198 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 2: the Lord. But not everyone has a story like that. 199 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 2: Maybe another would say, kind of like your story, Tutor, 200 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 2: you were raised in a home where you went to 201 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 2: church on Christmas in Easter, and you were what we 202 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 2: would call a good person, you know, a moral person, 203 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 2: but you saw your need for Jesus as well. Everybody 204 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: needs Jesus. And my story is different. But all of 205 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 2: us have a story that could connect to someone out there. 206 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 2: And here's everyone's story in a nutshell, who's a Christian? 207 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: Once we were blind, Now we see, you know, regardless 208 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 2: of how we to fill our life. For what we 209 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: did in our life prior to Christ, we were just 210 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 2: lost people looking for truth and we heard the Gospel 211 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 2: and then we believed in Jesus. 212 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 1: So the woman that you saw that day, the girl 213 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: that you saw the spirit in her that you were 214 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: drawn to, and I believe that you were drawn to 215 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit through her, Yes that day? Is that 216 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: your wife today? 217 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 2: No? In the movie, it is because the director and 218 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 2: writer of the story, JOHNA. When I thought that was 219 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 2: a better story. So there's some things you know in 220 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 2: the movie that aren't true to real life, and there 221 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 2: are other things that are exactly true. I mean, the 222 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 2: arc of the story is all true, but the story 223 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: is compressed and little things are a little different. But 224 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 2: you know this happens in all movies. But no, so 225 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 2: it's that was not my wife Kathy. I met her 226 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 2: a little bit later and we just celebrated fifty years 227 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 2: of marriage. So it's our fiftieth ent of right now. 228 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: So what has this journey I mean obviously through your eyes, 229 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 1: but what has this journey been like for her? 230 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 2: Well, it's it's you know, she has her own story. 231 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: And Kathy came from a strong religious home and she 232 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 2: was forced to go to a church on Sundays and 233 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 2: didn't like it, and she got into drugs and other 234 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 2: things as a very young girl, and then some Christians 235 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 2: came in her campus, not similar to my story, and 236 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: they shared the gospel and she ended up coming to Christ. 237 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 2: But you know, this has been a journey together. I've 238 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: jokingly said, I've been married fifty years to seven different women, 239 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: all interestingly with the same name of Kathy, and they 240 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 2: even spell their name the same. Because the Kathy I 241 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 2: married at age eighteen is not the Kathy of age 242 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 2: thirty or the Kathy at age forty. And she just 243 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 2: turned sixty eight, and so well, you know, she's changed, 244 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 2: but she's grown, she's matured into a woman of God. 245 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: But you know, we've had so many adventures together, and 246 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 2: our lives are so interwoven and intertwined. You know, I 247 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 2: can't even imagine my life without her. But she has 248 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 2: her own amazing story on a her fer in your podcast. 249 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: Sometimes she would have a love to stay. 250 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 251 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:32,719 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. If you've seen the movie, then 252 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: you see that you are, as you said, drawn to 253 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: the church. You start going this becomes like a massive 254 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: media phenomena, you know, like they're looking at the media 255 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: is looking at this and going, what in the world 256 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: is happening. Why are all of these kids suddenly coming 257 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: to Christ? And I can imagine it would still be 258 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: the same today if we suddenly saw young people gathering 259 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: on beaches and saying this has transformed me. And I 260 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: believe that would be an amazing thing to see. But 261 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: you in this story are just one of the people 262 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: who comes along until we see at the end, and 263 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: you seem almost like throughout the movie that the journey 264 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: is kind of pulling you along and you are not 265 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: sure where it goes, but you feel that you feel 266 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: God's call to do more. And I think that's the 267 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: coolest part as I watched the film, the way they 268 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: were able to capture that call God makes on people, 269 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: that that call came to you and you hesitantly answered, 270 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: but you knew it was there for you, and even 271 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: when you were shut down, you still felt the pull 272 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: to go start your own church. And now tell us 273 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: about where that went from there and the churches, Well 274 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: that we. 275 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: Did start at church. We were doing this you mentioned earlier, 276 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: startup church we were going to. We were doing a 277 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: startup church before anyone was doing startup churches. Not that 278 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 2: we were the first one, but it was very unusual 279 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 2: to start a church from scratch, especially with a bunch 280 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: of young people. That's exactly what we did. At first, 281 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 2: I didn't even know I was starting a church. I 282 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: was just teaching a little Bible study that began to grow. 283 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 2: Now fast forward fifty years and we've just celebrated our 284 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: fiftieth anniversary as a church, and we've been able to 285 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: impact so many lives that we looked recently, and I 286 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 2: could conservatively say that through our church and our outreach 287 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 2: ministries over the past fifty years, that we have seen 288 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 2: one million people make a profession of faith. So look, 289 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: I was the least qualified person to be the pastor 290 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: of a church. I was not a good student in school. 291 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 2: I was always getting into trouble. I love to draw cartoons, 292 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 2: that's one thing I thought I had a little skill in. 293 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 2: But I was kind of a trouble maker, always joking, 294 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 2: always disrupting. And so when I became a Christian and 295 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: realized that I needed to start studying and learn to 296 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 2: be a student, because if you're going to teach, you 297 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 2: have to learn how to study and know your material. 298 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 2: I take what I do very seriously. That was a 299 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 2: discipline for me. But God does not call the qualified, 300 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 2: He qualifies the call. And you know, God, I don't 301 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: think is looking for extraordinary people, Tutor. I think he's 302 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: looking for ordinary people to do extraordinary things through and 303 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: the Bible says God often chooses the foolish things of 304 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 2: this world to confound the wise. You know, it's been said, 305 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 2: if you see a turtle on a fence post, you 306 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 2: know he didn't get there by himself. So when you 307 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 2: look at me and what has happened in my life, 308 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 2: there's no way I could have done this for myself. 309 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 2: There's no way I would have even tried to do 310 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 2: this for myself. But it was something that God chose 311 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: to do, and so I'm thankful for that. And I 312 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: love what I do as much today at seventy one 313 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 2: as I did when I was seventeen. So it's something 314 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 2: I'm I'm still very passionate about, and I think the 315 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 2: needs in our culture are greater than ever and so 316 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 2: I'm trying to do all that I can to find 317 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 2: new ways to reach new people. One way we sum 318 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: it up is we want to reach unexpected people in 319 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 2: unexpected places with an unexpected message. 320 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: One of the complaints that I've heard from young people. 321 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: Is if I go to a church, it's not for me. 322 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: I don't fit there. I'm not perfect. I will go 323 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: in and they'll say, oh, you're a sinner, You're not 324 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: part of it. And I've tried to explain to young 325 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: people no, No, the church is where you come as 326 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: a sinner. We're all sinners, every one of us is broken. 327 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: The church is where you come and you will feel 328 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: this change in your life. You will just feel this 329 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: relief and this love that you've never understood it. You 330 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: will never be able to understand how great the love is. 331 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: But how do you convince young people of that today? 332 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: I mean today, it's changed quite a bit from the 333 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: sixties and seventies, where there's a lot more noise in 334 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: these young people's lives. They have a lot coming at 335 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: them with social media, with the access to information and 336 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: bad information. 337 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, the church is a hospital. You 338 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 2: go to a hospital not because you're healthy, but because 339 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 2: you're sick. And the church is a hospital for sinners. 340 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 2: It's not a museum for saints. It's a place to 341 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 2: get patched up, to get help. You know, sometimes people 342 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: will say Christianity is just a crutch. Oh I would disagree. 343 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 2: It's not just a crutch, it's a wheelchair, it's intensive care, 344 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 2: it's everything you need, and you have to admit you 345 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 2: need God. And for some people this is hard. Some 346 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 2: people have to hit rock bottoms, some people have to 347 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 2: see how desperate their situation is. But Jesus says, come 348 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 2: onto me, all you that labor and are heavy laden, 349 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: and I will give you rest. My burden is light 350 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 2: and my yoke is the So he's saying, come to me, everyone, 351 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 2: Come to me. One of my favorite stories in the 352 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 2: Bible is the story Jesus told to show us what 353 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 2: God is like, sort of like a selfie of God, 354 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 2: if you will so. In this story that we call 355 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 2: the Story of the Prodigal Son, God describes himself. Remember 356 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 2: it's Jesus telling the story. As a father who has 357 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 2: two sons. One son goes astray, drags the family named 358 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 2: of the Gutter, gets himself into all kinds of trouble, 359 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 2: comes to his senses, and returns home. And in the 360 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 2: story that Jesus tells to show us what God is like, 361 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 2: the father sees his son at a distance, runs to him, 362 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 2: throws his arms around him, and welcomes him back. Again 363 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 2: and they have a big party. So God is like 364 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 2: a father who misses his son, who misses his daughter, 365 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 2: who longs for a relationship with you, who misses us 366 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 2: when we're gone, and wants to forgive us. So what 367 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 2: is the qualification to get right with God? To admit 368 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 2: you need God? Now? Having said that, when the prodigal 369 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 2: son came home, the father threw his arms around him, 370 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 2: He forgave him, he restored him, put a ring back 371 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 2: in his finger, meaning he was still in a position 372 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 2: of being a son. But notice though, that he took 373 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 2: the dirty clothes off of him and put clean clothes 374 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 2: on him. I think sometimes people will say, tutor, oh, 375 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: God loves me and accepts me as I am, which 376 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 2: is another way of saying I'm going to do whatever 377 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 2: I want and call myself a Christian. Okay, God loves 378 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 2: you and he accepts you the way that you are true, 379 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 2: but he doesn't want to leave you that way. He 380 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 2: wants to change you and make you more like Jesus. 381 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: You don't have to be perfect, but you can't use 382 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 2: that as an excuse to just live as you please. 383 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 2: If you're really a Christian, you should change your values, 384 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 2: will change your worldview will change. Everything about you will change, 385 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 2: and so I think it's very important for people to 386 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 2: understand that and read the Bible. I think one of 387 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 2: the problems in our country today is there's just complete 388 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 2: biblical illiteracy, moral illiteracy. People don't know what right and 389 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: wrong are anymore. While all of the morality in our 390 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 2: nation came from our foundation, which we call it a 391 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 2: Judeo Christian belief, but to be specifically be specific, it 392 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 2: was a belief in scripture. And so we need to 393 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 2: get back to what the Bible says and see the Bible, 394 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 2: or see rather the world through a biblical lens, and 395 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 2: get a biblical worldview. It should affect us in the 396 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 2: way that we think it should affect us and the 397 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 2: way that we vote. You know, I think if Christians 398 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 2: would just get educated biblically, they should get out there 399 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 2: and register and vote. Christians alone, in many ways could 400 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 2: decide the future of our country, and we would just 401 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 2: get out there and prepare ourselves and understand what's going 402 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 2: on in the world today. 403 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it is really true we have a real 404 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: problem with getting the Christian vote out there, and a 405 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: lot there's been a lot of discussion, Well, if I'm 406 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: a good Christian, then I don't want to get involved 407 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: in the ugly world of politics. And we talked a 408 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: little bit before we started recording about how ugly the 409 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: world of politics really is. But your voice still has 410 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: to be out there because your voice protects the rights 411 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: to be a Christian. 412 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 2: Percent And you know, I just spoke at the March 413 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 2: for Life rally in Washington, d C. And I shared 414 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: there was probably one hundred thousand people there and it 415 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 2: was snowing, and I was so impressed by them, and 416 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 2: so many of them were young, and I told them 417 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 2: I could have been an abortion statistic. I was conceived 418 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 2: out of wedlock. My mother could have aborted me so easily. 419 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 2: Thankfully she carried me the term. And so I just 420 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: shared with them, you know why it's so important to 421 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 2: be pro life. I'll just say this straight up. I 422 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 2: could never vote for a candidate that supports abortion. And 423 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: we have candidates today that support abortion right up to 424 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 2: right before the birth of the baby. It's insane. And 425 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 2: so I think we need to find out where these 426 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 2: candidates stand on issues. And I'm not a one issue voter, 427 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 2: but I'll tell you the issue of life. The sanctity 428 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: of life is a big one to me. 429 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: Well, and I think that's something where we have seen 430 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: those voters staying home, those people. And honestly, I will 431 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: tell you one of the toughest parts of my campaign 432 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: obviously was that issue. And I had many women who 433 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: were professed Christians come to me and say, I just 434 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: can't vote for you if you don't support my daughter 435 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: who's in college right now and could need to use this. 436 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: And I think that is I think from your perspective 437 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: of what you're saying about really understanding gospel, really understanding 438 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: what God is saying. I mean it really is understanding 439 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: the beauty of creation and the privilege of being a 440 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: part of that. 441 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the Sama says, I'm fearfully and wonderful, 442 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 2: wonderfully made. Before I was in my mother's womb. You 443 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 2: knew me. You know, John the Baptist was filled with 444 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit while he was still in the womb 445 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 2: of his mother Elizabeth. Then jumped when Mary walked into 446 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 2: the room in the wool. So I mean that these 447 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 2: children at conception, they're made in the image of God 448 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 2: and they have every right to live. Look if you 449 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 2: if you find yourself pregnant outside of marriage. You know, 450 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,719 Speaker 2: you should carry that baby, determine. Maybe you'll decide to 451 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 2: keep the baby, but if not, put it up for adoption. 452 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: There's so many loving couples out there looking for children 453 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 2: to adopt today. Let the children live. I just saw 454 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 2: a quote from Steve Jobs. You know, he was put 455 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 2: up for adoption. He said, I'm glad I was not aborted, 456 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 2: you know, and my mother put me up for adoption, 457 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 2: my birth mother. And so this is to use in 458 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 2: many ways. Using abortion as a form of birth control 459 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 2: is so horrible. I know a lady she got an abortion, 460 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 2: probably thirty years ago, and she says, it's old hunters. 461 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: Today people don't think about the long term repercussions and 462 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 2: the effect of that on the woman. Sometimes the full 463 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 2: weight of it does not sink in until later in 464 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 2: her life. And so we want to discourage us and 465 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 2: let these children live and live their own life and 466 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 2: make their own decisions. And so these women that would 467 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 2: say that to you, they may claim to be Christians, 468 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 2: but they're not obeing what the Bible says straight up. 469 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 470 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Well, and the story that you 471 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: just told, I think that's something that we have been 472 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: remiss in telling those stories. I know there's a young 473 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 1: woman who was a part of a pop group when 474 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: she was younger and she had she must have had 475 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 1: multiple abortions, because she just came out a few weeks 476 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 1: ago and she said, I now have a grammy, but 477 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: I have no children to share it with, and that 478 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: will be my greatest pain in life. And I'm like, 479 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: we need to share those stories because I think that people, 480 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I grew up in the era where it 481 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: was this is no big deal, this is a procedure, 482 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 1: this is not it's not a human yet. And they're 483 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: so like I said, our kids are in this society 484 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: filled with noise and it's just coming at them constantly. 485 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: And that one, to me, is the most devastating to 486 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: see the amount of propaganda that is pushed on them 487 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: to say this is your right and you should be 488 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: allowed to do this, and this is no big deal, 489 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: because I do think that the psychological effect of knowing 490 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: what you've done afterward, it is for many people more 491 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: than they can handle. 492 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, Well, there's forgiveness, you know. So I've 493 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 2: talked to mothers who've done this and they're tormented by it, 494 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 2: and they need to accept the forgiveness of God. And 495 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 2: they need to also understand that that little one is 496 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 2: in heaven. You know, Jesus said, the little children come 497 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 2: unto me for such as the kingdom of Heaven. And 498 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 2: I believe that little one goes straight into the presence 499 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 2: of God and the mother can have the hope that 500 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: she'll see that one one day in heaven. I would 501 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 2: think and accept God's forgiveness, but not continue on in 502 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 2: that pattern, you know for sure. And so thank God 503 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 2: he gives second chances no matter what we've done. 504 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: I think that reminds me of the story Heaven Is 505 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: for Real and the little boy who goes he dies 506 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: on the hospital table and he goes there and he 507 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: sees his sister, and that to me, we lost a baby. 508 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: And my daughters they learn that in school. They go 509 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,959 Speaker 1: through the whole they read the book and then they 510 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: watch the movie, and it's really those stories. Again. God 511 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: tells stories in such creative ways, of course, and so 512 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: that story, my girls, all four of them, after they 513 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: read the book, came home and said, we're going to 514 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: see faith in Heaven when we go there, she'll be 515 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: there waiting for us. And to them, that's so powerful 516 00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: because the way they talk about abortion and all all 517 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: of this that's coming at them, they have a different 518 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: knowledge of it based on the stories that they've heard 519 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: from other people of how God loves us and how 520 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 1: and what heaven is like. And that's why I think 521 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: it's so important what you're doing. You have Harvest America. 522 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,959 Speaker 1: I want you to quickly tell our folks about Harvest 523 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: America and what that actually is. 524 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 2: Well years ago, number of years ago, we went to 525 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 2: the AT and T Stadium in Dallas, Texas, and we 526 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 2: had an event we called Harvest America that was broadcast 527 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 2: live to churches around the country and it ended up 528 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 2: being the single largest evangelistic event in American history and 529 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 2: live attendance. There were one hundred thousand people in the 530 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 2: stadium and thousands and thousands more everywhere. So we continue 531 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: to do these events that we call Harvest Crusades. We 532 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 2: have one coming up at Angel Stadium where we've been 533 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 2: doing it over thirty years, and they're just good old fashioned, 534 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 2: large scale evangelistic events, kind of in the tradition of 535 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 2: Billy Graham with contemporary music and a very clear understandable 536 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 2: message that I give on how to come into a 537 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 2: relationship with Christ. And then imitation is given where people 538 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 2: walk forward and ask the Lord to come into their life, 539 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 2: and we webcast them live. And we have a really 540 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 2: great streaming platform. We just launched tutor. It's called Harvest Plus. 541 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 2: Go to your app store and download it, and so 542 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 2: whenever we do one of these Harvest crusades, it's there 543 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 2: at Harvest Plus. All of my sermons are there. We've 544 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 2: done some documentary films about people you may have heard of, 545 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 2: like Steve McQueen and Johnny Cash and their faith journey. 546 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 2: As I actually started out as an artist, and as 547 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 2: you may remember in the Jesus Revolution film, the young 548 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 2: Greg was always drawing, and that was true I was. 549 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 2: And so I've just recently been able to bring my 550 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 2: cartoon characters to life in what we're calling the animated 551 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 2: adventures that Been Born Again and Yellow Dog. They're fun, 552 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 2: they're entertaining, and their evangelistic and so kids we're hearing 553 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 2: that kids are really loving them. So the best thing 554 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 2: is just go to your app store download Harvest Plus, 555 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 2: or you can go to our website harvest dot org. 556 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 2: But yeah, we're gonna just keep proclaiming the gospel and 557 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 2: every way we can, through films and animation and live 558 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 2: events and whatever opportunities are out there. 559 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: That is amazing. So those are actually your drawing. This 560 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: is your animation. This is your animation come to life. 561 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: How neat is that though? To see that that was 562 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: how it started and now it's come all the way 563 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: to you putting this out there for kids to actually 564 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: watch this. 565 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of full circle, you know. But I 566 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 2: never stopped drawing though. You know, if I'm sitting anywhere 567 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,959 Speaker 2: there's a piece of paper in a pen, I'm going 568 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,479 Speaker 2: to draw. And I love to draw. It's always been 569 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 2: a form of entertainment for me, and so this is 570 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 2: something I was very excited to do. Now we're working 571 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 2: with a professional animation studio that have brought my characters 572 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 2: to life. But I've been involved in every aspect of it, 573 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 2: and I've really enjoyed it. It's been quite the adventure. 574 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 2: I've always wanted to do animation, so it's something that 575 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 2: to me, is a lot of fun. But we've been 576 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 2: very intentional, like in the Jesus Revolution film, to get 577 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 2: the gospel in there, because you know, there's something about art, 578 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 2: and by art I mean music or film. You know it, 579 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 2: were disarmed by it. We connect to the story, we 580 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 2: relate to it in a different way. It's not like 581 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 2: the way people listen to sermons. And so I think 582 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 2: by using a film or animation or a song, you 583 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 2: can disarm a person in many ways and get them 584 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 2: to open up and think about it in a different way. 585 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 2: And when you stop and think about it, when Jesus 586 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 2: walked our earth, he talked. He told a lot of stories. 587 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 2: We call them parables. They were just stories. They were 588 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 2: illustrations things that people of that day understood, right, and 589 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 2: so they could connect to these stories. So I think 590 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 2: stories are a powerful way to share the gospel. 591 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: And that's just on the app store. You just download 592 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: Harvest Plus and that's where you can get all of 593 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: that awesome. That's amazing. Well, Pastor Greg Loriie, I'm so 594 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: glad you were here with us today. Thanks, thank you 595 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: so much for coming on the podcast. 596 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 2: Thanks Tutor, great to be with you, and God bless you. 597 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: Thank you, and thank you all of you for listening 598 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: to the Tutor Dixon Podcast for this episode and others. 599 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: Go to Tutor diisonpodcast dot com. 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