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Speaker 2: Dont get up my Giants bubbling, give me some job.

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Speaker 1: Part of the Giants podcast Network. Let's roll.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 3: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmelk.

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Speaker 3: I am thrilled today to be joining the Hackensack Merity

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Speaker 3: Health podcast studio. Keep getting Better by the one and

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Speaker 3: only Chris mad Dog Russo. Doggie, it's been a long

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Speaker 3: time by friend, Hey, how.

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Speaker 2: Are you pal?

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Speaker 4: Saturday Mornings a long time ago on a great series

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Speaker 4: in the great U sixty six Sports Radio sixty six.

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Speaker 2: But I'm even forgetting the names myself here on wf AN.

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Speaker 2: But it's been a long time, nice to talk to.

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Speaker 4: You've had a great career during his Giant stuff and

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Speaker 4: hopefully you win more than three games this year.

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Speaker 2: Give yourself a little juice in a course, which you should.

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Speaker 3: And of course this is uh from your lips, Doggie,

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Speaker 3: and now were working with you and Morgan with your

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Speaker 3: former producer Melusa's we're a host that shows every week

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Speaker 3: on Saturday morning.

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Speaker 4: Now, Oh, are you really you and Martie good to

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Speaker 4: hear that, and Mark still got the pix thing go

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Speaker 4: on General Evan Sports does he not?

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Speaker 1: Yes? He does?

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Speaker 2: And you the Bovie Boy. The FA and crew keeps.

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Speaker 4: On expanding, which is good to see.

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Speaker 2: I do think the Giants will have a good year.

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Speaker 4: Actually, I think they'd be a lot better in twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and we'll get to the Gihnson the second of

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Speaker 1: Your Dog.

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Speaker 3: But you're gonna be part of a cool show coming

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Speaker 3: up called NFL Classic After further Review, hosted by Kyle Brandt,

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Speaker 3: and you basically have guys watching past NFL games and

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Speaker 3: talking about it. The game you got this year. I

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Speaker 3: think it's gonna be the season finale. It's gonna be

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Speaker 3: every Wednesday night at nine pm on Vice TV. You're

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Speaker 3: gonna be with Phil Simms talking about his Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: where he was almost perfect against the Broncos.

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Speaker 1: How cool is this thing? Gonna be excellent?

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Speaker 4: And I had had Fell on my radio program here

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Speaker 4: at Sirius XM for the last five six years, so

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Speaker 4: I have a very good relationship with him.

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Speaker 2: Who doesn't love.

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Speaker 4: Phil, But we spent you know, a good couple of

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Speaker 4: hours watching that. Denver game in January of eighty seven

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Speaker 4: out of course in Pasadena and going through the specifics

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Speaker 4: of the game, I mean, not every play, but every

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Speaker 4: significant drive of the game. He of course was twenty

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Speaker 4: is interesting is the idea that the game, you know,

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Speaker 4: Denver had to you know, it was right there for

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Speaker 2: You know, it was a ten nine at the half

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Speaker 4: I mean, the Broncos were right in the game, and

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Speaker 4: the Giants with a much better team and obviously blew

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Speaker 4: Bloom out in the second half, winning the game thirty

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Speaker 4: nine to twenty. But we spent a lot of time

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Speaker 4: in philm thill re numbered every play like you wouldn't believe,

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Speaker 2: Bavaro a touchdown, Zeke Mullatt a big touchdown, and so on.

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Speaker 4: McConkie had a huge game, as you know, you know,

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Speaker 4: he felt very good going into that game.

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Speaker 2: He had great workouts out in California during the week.

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Speaker 4: He thought he was crisp, thought that they were going

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Speaker 2: It's forty years ago.

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Speaker 4: But most Giant fans, you know, if you're fifteen over,

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Speaker 4: have a good feeling of that game. It's their first

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Speaker 4: And Phil and I break down a game with Kyle there.

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Speaker 4: So if you are a football fan and you like

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Speaker 4: if you're a Bronco fan, you laid low, but if

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Speaker 3: Now, I've want to fill a bunch over here. Did

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Speaker 4: You're Yesad and his memory, he is wonderful with his memory.

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Speaker 4: Now we talked a little bit about that, and that

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Speaker 4: But you know, did you want to play the Browns

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Speaker 2: So very very good stuff out of film.

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Speaker 4: Uh, he's again, he's very proud of that day, as

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Speaker 4: Disney World, parcels, you know, you name it. They discussed

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Speaker 4: Bill felt very good about what he was gonna do

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Speaker 4: they had beaten Denver in the regular year. Or though close,

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Speaker 4: they were confident the Giants. I think the biggest surprise

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Speaker 2: That was a close game at the half, and then

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Speaker 2: the pen three right, ten three, nine, ten to nine.

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Speaker 4: I remember ten nine, and don't forget they went for

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Speaker 2: Right now? Who the hell was it?

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Speaker 4: I'll think of it a second, but they got a

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Speaker 4: They went talk a little bit about that play too,

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Speaker 4: So a lot of good things in there.

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Speaker 2: If you're a Giant fan, no question about it.

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Speaker 1: It's funny dog.

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Speaker 3: But before we get to this year, I always say

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Speaker 3: I remember the most, still being in the booth boor

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Speaker 3: seasons and you were in the booth of us watch

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Speaker 3: it that game. You had done a show there previous

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Speaker 3: that day, And I always tell the story. We're in

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Speaker 3: there's no way he's making the stake.

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Speaker 1: See and mister Watson earlier I did Boom.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot of right through I do.

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Speaker 4: That was the Corey Webster interception on farv yep in

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Speaker 2: I did a show after that on that Sunday afternoon.

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Speaker 4: I had Jim Taylor on Never Forget It, the Great

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Speaker 4: Coffin didn't have the mask on his face. Froze and

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Speaker 4: Eli had an incredible game, and so the Plaxico bursts.

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Speaker 4: I think Plaxico Burris broke the ray Berry record for

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Speaker 4: He had twelve catches that day.

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Speaker 2: It was a twelve.

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Speaker 4: of them. And that was a great game and a

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Speaker 4: You know, one of the great runs are gonna have

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Speaker 2: And beat the Patriots. Can't game better than that if

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Speaker 1: And Rutledgit of a two yard running that game, so

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Speaker 4: So Rutgers was the backup quarterback on the quarterback sneak.

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Speaker 4: You'll see that play extolled and discussed with Phil on

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Speaker 3: At Burr's by the way, Al Harris had a lot

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Speaker 4: Did he have twelve catches, one hundred and fifty eight

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Speaker 3: Everyone thinks, oh far from the cold weather, it's advantage

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Speaker 4: Eli had a Eli play Eli in a lot of

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Speaker 4: about five or six games that were superlative, two against Tampa,

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Speaker 4: may have been from an ability standpoint, the best game

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Speaker 1: I agree with you.

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Speaker 3: And they always seem to come in the biggest spots,

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Speaker 3: which is why Eli was who he was, all right, Doggie.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned a couple of times you think the Giants

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Speaker 2: I love their defense. I think they a great pass rush,

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Speaker 4: And we know they got a tough schedule, but I

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Speaker 2: I like that. Wilson will be better than Jones.

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Speaker 4: Prussia got Dardan Air who I think we'll get some sequences.

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Speaker 4: We saw that jet preseason game where he had that

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Speaker 4: one pass play neighbors is very good. The schedule is

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Speaker 4: brutal early on Washington, Dallas, Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: That first Sunday night game at home their opener.

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Speaker 4: But I think the Giants are gonna be do I

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Speaker 4: think they'd be a playoff team. I wouldn't say that,

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Speaker 2: And I like Dable. I think Dabel's a good coach.

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Speaker 4: I think Shane took way too much heat for letting

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Speaker 3: Right, you see progress with the players here, and then

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Speaker 2: And when you make that switch, how he handle it?

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Speaker 3: And if they're winning with Russell Wilson and Doug, you know,

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Speaker 2: It hasn't won in a while.

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Speaker 4: That obviously, with Shane and Dable need to show some improvement,

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Speaker 4: a dable. I don't know how you feel about it.

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Speaker 3: And now Russell wils is not the same guy who

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Speaker 1: Which I'm not sure we've seen the last couple of years.

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Speaker 4: but someone told me that Dable is drooling over dark

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Speaker 4: While he was terrible through four interceptions, I was or

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Speaker 4: Needed to win that game to be in consideration for

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Speaker 1: No, your memory is still unelievable by the way. You

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Speaker 3: this looks like with Russell Wilson Dogs? Are they gonna

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Speaker 1: What do you think is gonna look like with him

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think you're gonna see the Wilson that

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Speaker 2: He wasn't terrible.

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Speaker 1: Love him. The players love him.

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Speaker 2: It's about the media.

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Speaker 1: So far, so good, so far, so good.

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Speaker 4: I think that, you know, I think he'd be pretty

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Speaker 4: careful with the football.

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Speaker 2: He was pretty decent for Pittsburgh last year. Decent.

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Speaker 4: I think that I think he'd be a step up.

446
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Speaker 4: Do I think he's gonna be great? No, But I

447
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Speaker 4: do love that giant pass rush. I also do think

448
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Speaker 4: Wilson included Giants got a little chip on their shoulder.

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Speaker 4: I think the Giants have a decent seasonally, I think,

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Speaker 4: and I don't love the Jets at all. I think

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Speaker 4: the Giants have a decent season all right.

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Speaker 3: Last one on the Giants before we hit the league

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Speaker 3: a little bit. Focusing on that defense. You've mentioned a

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Speaker 3: couple of times you think this defense is gonna be

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Speaker 3: really good, don't you.

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Speaker 2: I do. Yeah. I know they aided some people in

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Speaker 2: the secondary.

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Speaker 4: But it also Bill Wallah said it a long time ago,

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Speaker 4: the kid, the NFL football is a fourth.

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Speaker 2: Quarter pass rush.

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Speaker 4: Uh And if if Bill watsh can say it, Andy,

462
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Speaker 4: I listened and Wash said that a lot with that

463
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Speaker 4: great NINU team that had very underrated defense. And you know,

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Speaker 4: Haley was tremendous for him getting on the quarterback. And

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Speaker 4: I think the Giants will get to the quarterback, and

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Speaker 4: I think that's a big plus. And this quarter he's great. Right,

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Speaker 4: He's had an incredible camp. You can't block them. And

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Speaker 4: then you got Burns who's quietly, very very good Lawrence

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Speaker 4: in the middle. I love the giant pass rush and

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Speaker 4: because of that, I think they're going to be a

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Speaker 4: very dangerous team.

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Speaker 2: I think their defense gonna be so much better.

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Speaker 4: And as a result of that, I think they got

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Speaker 4: a chance to be an effective team.

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Speaker 2: And I do like their defense.

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Speaker 3: Jurney, if you want to know how to manage two

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Speaker 3: minutes of crunch time football, I'm your man.

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Speaker 1: But if you're wondering about a long term financial plan,

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Speaker 1: you should talk to Citizens. Hey, I can also talk

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Speaker 1: long care. I'd like to learn about Amilia team. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I knew I could.

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Speaker 3: Help make sense of your money with Citizens.

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Speaker 1: All right, Doggie.

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Speaker 3: We have not seen a team repeat as NFC East

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Speaker 3: champion since two thousand and four, when Andy Reid and

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Speaker 3: Donovan McNabb did it make the case? How does that

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Speaker 3: streak continue this year? With the Eagles just being as

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Speaker 3: talented as they.

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Speaker 2: Are, I'll take Washington just to the hell of it.

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Speaker 4: You know, they got the receivers signed, the quarterback is very,

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Speaker 4: very good.

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Speaker 2: And did you.

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Speaker 4: See the schedule? Oh my yeah, I've never seen his

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Speaker 4: schedule like this. They played the AFC West, which had

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Speaker 4: three playoff teams last year. They played Buffalo, which is

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Speaker 4: on the road. They play Washington the last two games,

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Speaker 4: the last two out of three games.

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Speaker 3: This season, and they.

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Speaker 4: Play the Lions Packers Minnesota. It took the words right

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Speaker 4: out of my mouth. And don't forget uh. They have

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Speaker 4: to play the Bucks in the Rams because they won divisions.

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Speaker 4: I think the Eagles, and remember they weren't so good

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Speaker 4: after they lost the Super Bowl a few years ago.

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Speaker 4: They came back the next year. They were ten to

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Speaker 4: one and they finished eleven and five. They're over under

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Speaker 4: number is off the high now Dallas, who knows Giants

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Speaker 4: are not gonna win eleven games. It have to be

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Speaker 4: up to Washington to do that. Washington's a little older

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Speaker 4: team than you would think. And you know, are they

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Speaker 4: gonna catch people by surprise again? But I think the Eagles.

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Speaker 4: I will say there will not be a repeat NFC.

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Speaker 4: As you said, the NFC East hasn't been a repeat winner.

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Speaker 4: Is that what you said, Joe? Yes, that is interesting.

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Speaker 4: So that means I'd have to take Washington. I can't

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Speaker 4: take Dallas and the Giants. I'd have to take Washington.

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Speaker 4: So I'm a little worried to do that. Sophomore Jinks

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Speaker 4: quarterback getting the north of line. Know he's good, but

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Speaker 4: boy boy, that is you know, to be to be different.

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Speaker 4: I'll say that Washington wins the NFC East. That fill

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Speaker 4: out your schedule is hard. Let's be honest. That's a

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Speaker 4: hard schedule, Jaez, That's a hard schedule. I mean, they

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Speaker 4: play at Kansas City in week two at you know,

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Speaker 4: they finish up at Washington at Buffalo Washington.

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Speaker 2: That is bootle. And they play the Giants early in

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Speaker 2: the season twice.

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Speaker 4: And so the Giants who always fed the Eagles late

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Speaker 4: this season when they're out of it, this year, the

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Speaker 4: Giant's gonna get them early with the games will be

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Speaker 4: more significant, was the Giants will feel like they're in it.

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Speaker 2: Those would be harder games.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, and the NFC West, the NFC

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Speaker 4: West is hard, so I see the Eagles would come

533
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Speaker 4: down a little bit down to the earth, and I'll

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Speaker 4: say Washington will win the division eleven seven something like that.

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Speaker 3: It's funny you mentioned the NFC West Dog. Have you

536
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Speaker 3: ever seen a division with coaches like that Harball, Reid, Peyton, Carroll.

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Speaker 3: You could have three or four Hall.

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Speaker 1: Of Famers coaching at that division right now. That's crazy.

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Speaker 4: That's one hundred percent right. And I know the Chiefs

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Speaker 4: have a hard schedule too. You know they played Buffalo

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Speaker 4: in the Ravens and the Eagles the NFC East.

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Speaker 2: Uh, you know they got That division's hard. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot of rival Now they.

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Speaker 4: Win those games in the division every year, but they

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Speaker 4: are rivalry games. But you're right, that division's got you know,

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Speaker 4: Harbaugh's excellent.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And I'm a worried about Herbert who did not play

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Speaker 4: well last year and was awful against the Texas.

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Speaker 2: Awful. His star is dipped to me, has dipped a

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Speaker 2: little bit.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: But you know, obviously Peyton's is an excellent coach.

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Speaker 4: And you bring in the idea that you know Reid

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Speaker 4: is going to the Hall of Fame and Karen knows

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Speaker 4: how to win. You're right, and that division is a

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Speaker 4: good division because there's not a bad team in that division.

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Speaker 4: All those teams are pretty even. The Raiders are not bad.

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Speaker 4: Gino and Carol, that's not terrible. So that division will

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Speaker 4: be relatively competitive. You got to pick the Chiefs, but

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Speaker 4: they're knocked each other. They knocked each.

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Speaker 2: Other all four year long. In the AFC West, we

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Speaker 2: think they.

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Speaker 3: Will AFC we know they got the monster quarterbacks. Those

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Speaker 3: are the teams that it can compete for a super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: In the NFC, it's a much more wide open doggie

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Speaker 3: aside from Philadelphia. Who's the team you're watching now that

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Speaker 3: you think could try to make a run and get

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Speaker 3: to the super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good. I'm gonna say San Francisco.

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Speaker 4: I like, I know they've lost a lot of people,

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Speaker 4: but I like their winning culture.

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Speaker 2: I love Shanahan.

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Speaker 4: The Vegas number is ten and a half, which is

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Speaker 4: you say, wow, really, why that high?

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Speaker 2: You see their schedule? Oh my god, it's so easy.

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Speaker 4: They play the NFC South and the AFC South, So

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Speaker 4: they have Tennessee, Jacksonville, Carolina, the Saints. They got a

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Speaker 4: very very easy schedule, and then they play the last

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Speaker 4: plays teams they for the Giants, the Bears, and the Browns.

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Speaker 4: So they have Arizona, Seattle and the Rams. Six times.

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Speaker 4: They play the Giants, the Browns, and the Bears. That's

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Speaker 4: nine times and then they play all those games, the

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Speaker 4: eight games against those two divisions, that's pretty easy. So

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Speaker 4: because they have an easy start to the year, they

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Speaker 4: play Seattle, the Saints, Jacksonville. They got a chance before

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Speaker 4: going up and Purty's better than you think. And I

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Speaker 4: like the court, I like the head coach. I think

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Speaker 4: San francisc would be better than you think in the NFC.

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Speaker 3: Do either Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson finally break through

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Speaker 3: this year and get to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think Allen's better than Jackson. So if I

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Speaker 4: had to take somebody, I would take Allen. I know

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Speaker 4: everybody likes to put Lamar on this incredible level because

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Speaker 4: of winning the two MVPs, but he's three and five

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Speaker 4: in the playoffs. He's never played a great playoff game.

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Speaker 4: Even last year. I though it was Mark Andrews's fault.

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Speaker 4: He fumbled which resulted in a touchdown. He didn't play

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Speaker 4: great in the game. Allen's had great games and losing

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Speaker 4: causes to against the Chiefs. Just the one game in

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Speaker 4: Kansas City when freaking mcgummot didn't know what he was

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Speaker 4: doing with the squib kick and then he lost because

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Speaker 4: Diggs couldn't catch a pass of twenty seven to twenty

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Speaker 4: four two years ago when the Chiefs beat him in

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Speaker 4: Buffalo in the Division round. Maybe Buffaloes do. It's had

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Speaker 4: a bad preseason, but maybe Buffaloes do. So I think

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Speaker 4: if anybody could do it, I like Alan better than

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Speaker 4: I like Lamar, and I think the Bengals will be

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Speaker 4: better too. I know their defense thinks, but they seem

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Speaker 4: like they understand they got to get off to a

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Speaker 4: better start in September. They're one and eleven under Zach

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Speaker 4: Tiller the last three Septembers. They should be better than

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Speaker 4: that this year. I think the Bengals would be better

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Speaker 4: than you think too.

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Speaker 3: Since final question, Doggie, Now they d're over at the

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Speaker 3: Mothership doing stuff with Steven a First taking all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Does ESPN realize that they've stole like half of their

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Speaker 3: commer half of their programming format from the success you

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Speaker 3: and Mike had back in the day and all debating

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Speaker 3: each other now and they basically just do sports talk

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Speaker 3: on the radios that they put cameras in front of people.

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Speaker 1: Do they realize that or no, you know.

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Speaker 2: I haven't heard.

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Speaker 4: I should If they do, I should, I should get

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Speaker 4: a residual feat because Mike and I did that, you know,

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Speaker 4: and yes for a while, we did it for such

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Speaker 4: a long time, and it is it's a debate show,

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Speaker 4: and the idea there when you do these debate shows

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Speaker 4: on TV.

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Speaker 2: I have two rules of thumb.

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Speaker 4: One, get in and out pretty quick, don't fit a

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Speaker 4: buster for three four minutes. Give everybody a chance to talk.

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Speaker 4: That's important. And number two, don't take it too seriously.

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Speaker 4: Let's have some fun with it. Let's not take yourself

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Speaker 4: so seriously. So those are the two themes that I

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Speaker 4: play with, and I'm just happy they still want me

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Speaker 4: after all these years.

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Speaker 2: But you're right, it's it's TV debate, sports.

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Speaker 3: Talk, right, John on the Mad Dog Radio series ex

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Speaker 3: Sam I mentioned first ake ESPN. Of course you also

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Speaker 3: find them an NFL classic after further review Wednesday nights,

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Speaker 3: anything else you do in you do that you want

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Speaker 3: people know about?

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Speaker 1: Any more books coming out?

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Speaker 4: I do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? You know one thing.

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Speaker 4: I'm about to finish a five part series on wesce

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Speaker 4: UH where we're going to debate again that word athletes.

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Speaker 2: Ruth Oshani A.

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Speaker 4: There's five shows. We have one more to make sure

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Speaker 4: we finish the tennis one, but it will be It's

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Speaker 4: very good, a lot of good interviews. Gary Myers has

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Speaker 4: a lot of input with it. It's the second time,

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Speaker 4: second year I've done with device. Wece does a great job.

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Speaker 4: They let me do what I want with it. They

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Speaker 4: got a great staff. I love Wece. So since you

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Speaker 4: mentioned Wevice with this thing in conjunction with Omaha Productions,

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Speaker 4: mine is not in conjunction with Omaha. This rewind thing

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Speaker 4: with the football is, but it's on Vice and they

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Speaker 4: did the Patino thing in Kada Parry. So they do

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Speaker 4: a good job of sports and so that we are

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Speaker 4: going to work on in the fall two.

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Speaker 2: To keep an eye on that.

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Speaker 1: Oh when that comes out, mate, we'll have you back on.

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Speaker 1: We could talk about it, dog, that would be rate

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Speaker 1: and see you doing so well, John.

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Speaker 3: I I appreciate that. Look, I grew up in sports.

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Speaker 3: I got into this business because of you and Mike.

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Speaker 3: I've told you that before. You guys are the best

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Speaker 3: you always have been, And I really appreciate everything you've

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Speaker 3: done for me in my career.

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Speaker 1: I really do appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Good job, Giants, Good Giants.

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Speaker 3: You can find that episode with Dog and Sims talking

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Speaker 3: about Super Bowl twenty one, October eighth, the season finale

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Speaker 3: of NFL Classic after further review on Vice TV. That's

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Speaker 3: the Johnson Podcast, brought to you by Citizens Official Bank

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Speaker 3: of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Everybody,