1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: with on our radio. 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 2: Happy Finale Week of the Golden Bachelorette. We are here 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: today to break down the finale of Joon's amazing season 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: of The Golden Bachelorette. Joan thrives, Joan looks beautiful, But 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: the big question going into this episode was did Joan 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 2: find love? 8 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 3: Ashley, good morning. 9 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 4: Good morning. It's a little early for us, but I'm fine. 10 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 4: Guess what this was? This is my announcement. Guess the 11 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 4: least dramatic finale of all time? Would you gury? Here's 12 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 4: no stakes. 13 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 2: This could have been a ten minute episode and it 14 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: would have been beautiful. I don't want to take anything 15 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 2: from the what I think will be a very healthy, exciting, 16 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: loving couple, and we're very excited for them here. 17 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 3: But it could have been a ten minute episode. 18 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, and actually it kind of felt like a ten 19 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 4: minute episode because when I recapped it in my brain, 20 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 4: I was just like, dump Sky gets engaged. 21 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 3: Yes. 22 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: I wonder, actually, if we take away the live TV portion, 23 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: if how much we saw them together was actually maybe 24 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 2: like twenty minutes. 25 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 4: They could have extended like the meet and greet with 26 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 4: the family or the date that. 27 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: They had some then well that's where I want to 28 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: start breaking down this episode. Obviously, Joan's family flies into 29 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 2: experience this week with Joan, They're gonna meet the two 30 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: guys remaining. This is a really fun time I think 31 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: for the family because they've gotten to watch Joan or. 32 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 3: Not get the watch. They've gotten to sit. 33 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 2: At home and wait for Joan for the last few months, 34 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: and now they actually get to kind of dive into 35 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,279 Speaker 2: the process, catch up with her, make sure she's healthy 36 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: and happy, and then meet the guys that she's falling 37 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 2: in love with, and then also have a lot of 38 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: fun while you're doing it. 39 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 3: It's like a big family vacation in a lot of ways. 40 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 4: I know, I know. I was just thinking about their flight, though, 41 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 4: I don't know. I get so stressed for other people flying. 42 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 4: I'm just like, no, Bori Bora is beautiful, but is 43 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 4: it worth a sixty hour fly? 44 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 3: Have you been to bor Bora? 45 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 4: No? Have you? 46 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 3: No? Never? 47 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 4: It's actually number one on my vacation list. Like I'd 48 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 4: like to go to Paris and England and like well 49 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 4: to the Netherlands with my family because my mom's touch. 50 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 4: But like as far as a vacation, lie outside every day. 51 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 4: I wanted to go to bor bar number one. 52 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: I mean it looks I mean, so last night, Yesica 53 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 2: and I watched this together. She was was actually our anniversary. 54 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: So this is what we did in our niversary. 55 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,559 Speaker 4: The fastest three years of our lives. 56 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 3: I know, isn't that crazy? 57 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 4: Happy universary? 58 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 3: Thank you. 59 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 2: I've been gone all week. I got home last night. 60 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: She got home really late from work. We're going to 61 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: celebrate our anniversary at some date to be determined, and 62 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: we will. 63 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 3: I'll make sure of it and she'll make sure of it. 64 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: But last night we're like, you know what, we're both tired, 65 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: we've been gone. Let's just turn on the show and 66 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 2: watch it because I've got to do the show tomorrow. 67 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 3: And so we watch this. 68 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 2: In one of the first takeaways, and I always like 69 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 2: hearing Jessica's opinion because she doesn't really watch the show, 70 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: and so it's always a new and fresh opinion, it 71 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: was can you believe? Yeah, she is, I mean, she 72 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 2: gives us great input. And she said, can you believe 73 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 2: how beautiful that water is? Is a gorgeous place. 74 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 4: That's what I was thinking. 75 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 3: And then her second question to me Ashley. Which comes 76 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 3: up at this point is why is Joan on a boat? 77 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 4: They just had her to go on a boat as 78 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 4: if it was the mode of transportation to go to her. 79 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 3: She was living on a boat. 80 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, they were on a cruise. Yeah. Yeah. The last 81 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 4: week they kind of they lightly established that. It was like, 82 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 4: why I like it because I'm a cruiser. 83 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: I mean, guys, home was gorgeous and looked like paradise. 84 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 3: Joan, it looked nice. I'm not gonna say I mean a. 85 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 4: Guy was living in another location. Yeah, I thought they 86 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 4: were all on the boat. 87 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: No, he was. He was inland. 88 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 4: Okay, Now that's a little strange, but it was. We 89 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 4: know it was an ad It was good. I don't 90 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 4: remember wind was it Woodmere Cruises? 91 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it was beautiful. It works. 92 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 2: I would love to go on a cruise. Love cruises. 93 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: It just was a little awkward that she had a 94 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 2: cruise boat parked there and it never moved and she 95 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: we just see all these scenes of her on. 96 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 3: This cruise boat. Hey, not the biggest part of. 97 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 2: The story, Chalk is meeting the family for the first time, Ashley. 98 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: So that's how we kind of kick off this episode. 99 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: The I think the theme that we could say was 100 00:04:55,120 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: going on throughout this meeting was that Joan is still 101 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 2: I think she wants her kid's approval on her moving 102 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 2: forward with somebody, because I think at this point we 103 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: probably know she wants to move forward with somebody and 104 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 2: she has yet to get their approval on moving forward 105 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: past her you know, late husband John. 106 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 4: Well, she's like, yes, this is the first time she's 107 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 4: introducing somebody, so like obviously that those feelings are going 108 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 4: to come up. But they did approve her quote quote 109 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 4: for being the Golden Bachelorette, so you know they're down 110 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 4: for her moving on. 111 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 2: I think there was my biggest question was how is 112 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 2: Chalking to handle it? Handle it? You know, he's been 113 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 2: very intentional with Joan since the beginning. I mean we 114 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 2: kind of saw it during this recap with I'm Crazy 115 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: about You. 116 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 3: It was like a lot he was. 117 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 4: Oh my god, there was sobut it. 118 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 2: He was very into her, So I personally was not 119 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: concerned or wondering. I guess would be the better way 120 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 2: to say that for him if he would be a 121 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: little too pushy or kind of strong, too strong to 122 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: the kids, like be like, hey, I call me daddy 123 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 2: kind of thing. He didn't at that point, I figure 124 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 2: at that point, I was one hundred percent sure he 125 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 2: was the one being chosen because he did so well 126 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: walking through that and saying, I don't want to replace 127 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 2: your dad. You know, it's going to be a big 128 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: shoes to fill kind of stuff. But he was very 129 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: conscious about, hey, we got to celebrate the two people 130 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 2: that came, you know, into our lives earlier, and then 131 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 2: also just have a lot of fun in the future. 132 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 2: He said the right things that he's never said all season. 133 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: That's all close this up is he said the right 134 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 2: things that he's never said all season, Like what I 135 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: really want with Joan is to have adventure and have 136 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: fun and to like celebrate the rest of my life 137 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: with her. It felt like all of a sudden, he 138 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: became the Pascal, and he became the Jonathan. 139 00:06:58,560 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 3: He became himself. 140 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 4: It's a little bit more. Yeah, yeah, what did you 141 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 4: think about the sun? He was very He like had 142 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 4: the look of judgment, which was hilarious. But then like 143 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 4: it turns out that he liked he really liked him. 144 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 4: He just seems to be taking over as the protective 145 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 4: figure in the family. 146 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, what I think. 147 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: I think at first, I thought, oh, this is going 148 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: to be bad, like this kid, this poor son is 149 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: going to be protective. It is going to come off 150 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 2: really weird, and he's going to be weirded out by it. 151 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: He loosened up over time, he did. I think what 152 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 2: I got from him just watching him is he really 153 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: just doesn't want to be there. He was like, I, 154 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: this is stupid. I just got off of sixteen hour 155 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: flight and that you're now telling me my mom's going 156 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 2: to send the other guy home tomorrow and I have 157 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: to leave in two days. Like this is stupid. I 158 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 2: am so mad that I came again. 159 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 4: I was just thinking, like, I really hope they let 160 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 4: them vacation a little bit. Well while there after that, I. 161 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: Think, I think there's a lot going on in his 162 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: head behind the scenes. And he was like, I'm happy 163 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 2: for you mom, Like this is great. This guy seems good. 164 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 2: He's fine. You just made me fly sixteen hours for 165 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 2: two days, Like I want to. I want to yell 166 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: you on national television, but I can't. 167 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 4: Hey, Ben, the one thing we didn't talk about that 168 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 4: happened earlier in this episode that I must talk to 169 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 4: you about is that they like started her up with 170 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 4: the whole maybe I'm unlovable storyline, and since you are 171 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 4: the owner of that storyline, why did they do this? 172 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 4: This was never something that she felt. It's a ridiculous 173 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 4: you've been married for you were married for so long, 174 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 4: you have children, You're very much lovable, just as you 175 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 4: were very much lovable. But she said that when Pascal 176 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 4: said he didn't love me, it hurt her to the end. 177 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 4: Then she thought that you think it was made up, 178 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 4: don't you. They were like, oh, let's like throw a 179 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 4: bud storyline in here really quick for a little drama, 180 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 4: because it's the least ramatic episode ever. 181 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 2: Can I say this, Actually, I need to get residuals, 182 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: I need to get paid. 183 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 4: I love you to two the people and. 184 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 2: This yeah, because then we see Grant season preview. He's 185 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 2: standing there like, I don't know who to choose, and 186 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 2: Jesse's like, we have them waiting, you know, let us 187 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: know who we need to send first. 188 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 3: So he's obviously in love with two people. 189 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 2: Every single lead since season twenty has been in the 190 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: love of two people. And now last night I looked 191 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: at it when Jones said, I said, no, I suggest 192 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: that's my thing. I Yeah, I don't know. And for me, 193 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: it's been such a like pivotal moment, like for me 194 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 2: personally changed book. I wrote a whole book about it. 195 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 2: It enhanced the way I saw myself and I saw 196 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: the world night. 197 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 3: And so. 198 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: My first thought is, I'm if that is true for Joan, 199 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 2: then I am glad that she is able to admit 200 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: it openly if that is not true, and the show 201 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 2: pride to get something out of her to make this 202 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 2: episode a little more dramatic, a little more you know, 203 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: a little more confusing. Uh, that's sad, it diminishes the story. 204 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think it was probably one of those 205 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 4: moments where she's in the interview room and she's crying. 206 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 4: She's obviously very upset that Pascal left, who I believe 207 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 4: was number two in her heart. And then somebody was 208 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 4: probably like, how did that make you feel? Like? Did 209 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 4: it make you feel like maybe you're unlovable? 210 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 3: And then she says it kind of did, and they said, so, 211 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 3: do you feel unlovable? And she was, I feel unlovable? 212 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, And then all of a sudden she's just saying 213 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 4: this to Nancy and she's probably taking a step back 214 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 4: a couple of days later and being like, why the 215 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 4: hell did I say that? 216 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, that didn't make any sense. Yeah, I don't know. 217 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: I mean, goodness, I said that, which was a very 218 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: like real true moment, unexpected, not even coerced. And then I, 219 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 2: you know, obviously have the two I love yous. At 220 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: some point residuals would be appreciated. I mean, I got 221 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 2: a family to raise. This is a father talking about 222 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 2: future future father. So that was a big deal, and 223 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: it was great to see Nancy come though. I do 224 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: think Nancy was probably a just love her. Yeah, she's 225 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: such a great just a great human carrying you know, 226 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 2: she's a great listener. Again, though, let's give Nancy credit 227 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 2: on a sixteen hour flight for probably I bet this 228 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 2: show gave her a day, Like they probably flew her 229 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: in and flew her out. 230 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 4: Well, no, because she was in last week's episode. I 231 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 4: don't know if you saw it because Jared was here, 232 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 4: but she had two episodes few so at least she 233 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 4: was there for three days. 234 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, that's true. 235 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: It's still it's rushed, but Nancy's amazing and she is 236 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 2: a great, I mean, the perfect person for Joan to 237 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 2: confide in Actually I didn't get this since through this 238 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 2: whole entire episode that Joan was ever going to leave 239 00:11:58,960 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: this thing single. 240 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 3: I know that. 241 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 2: Was something they were kind of right, I know, And 242 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 2: I think that's why the drama of this episode never 243 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 2: felt strong. It was never dramatic, because even though they 244 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: tried really hard to kind of do what they do 245 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 2: every finale, which was like, is anybody gonna get chosen? 246 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: Is the league gonna get chosen? Is somebody gonna go 247 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: home early? That kind of stuff that you always have 248 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: going on in your head. It they tried, it just 249 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: didn't work. I think the whole time, we knew that 250 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 2: she was going to be leaving with somebody, and it 251 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 2: felt very much for the last goodness month and a 252 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 2: half that it was. 253 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 3: Going to be Chock. 254 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 4: No, I don know ever, since he left to go 255 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 4: to his mom's, you know, to figure out his mom's arrangements. Yeah, 256 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 4: we pretty much knew it was Chock. And also the 257 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 4: fact that like, not only was he so obviously the 258 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 4: one that she was into, the person that she was 259 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 4: like into second was just so far apart in feelings, 260 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 4: and I think that person actually was, Like I said earlier, 261 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 4: Pascal and I think because Pascal left, she was up 262 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 4: a guy who was technically her third choice, so that 263 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 4: it was like a no brainer and they couldn't even 264 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 4: fake the drama. 265 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean it's it's sad to watch. 266 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: I think it's really hard to watch the Golden Bachelor 267 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 2: Bachelor atte show because the emotions seem so raw, and 268 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 2: they also seem in a sense foreign to a lot 269 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 2: of these people, especially the men. It doesn't feel like 270 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 2: Guy cries often like he did there. It felt like 271 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 2: it came from a very hurt place, and so that 272 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 2: was difficult to watch. 273 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 3: Actually, I do have a question for you. 274 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 2: Though we obviously see the breakup with Guy, the crowd 275 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 2: is shocked. People are surprised. Don't think anybody is surprised 276 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 2: that Guy's the one that's going home. I think they're 277 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,719 Speaker 2: surprised that guys and how Guy went home. Then they 278 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 2: have the live show with Guy on it, and they 279 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: still yet they receive to ask him the questions that 280 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: all of the public now knows. This is not a secret, 281 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 2: This is not like Reddit sleuthing. 282 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 4: I feel like this is still kind of like one 283 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 4: of those things where it's like if you just watch 284 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 4: the show and you watch it on TV and you 285 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 4: don't do any sort of your Instagram feed isn't about it, 286 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 4: then maybe you don't know that he had a restraining 287 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 4: order against him from his ex wife. It's so weird though, 288 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 4: to see them like up there and like not worshiping 289 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 4: what's the other like like idolized to kind of like 290 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 4: idolizing him, just making him seem like the perfect guy 291 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 4: to date, And You're just like, in the back of 292 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 4: my head, I'm just like, how are they pretending like 293 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 4: he's the perfect guy to date when his ex wife 294 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 4: got a restraining order on him? 295 00:14:59,280 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? 296 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: I don't No, I don't even have a theory for 297 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: I thought they would at least ask him. I thought 298 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 2: they would at least bring it up and say, hey, 299 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 2: obviously you've been in the news, do you want to 300 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 2: tell us more about this situation, because as right now, 301 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 2: the show seems to be taking this strategy of like 302 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 2: don't ask, don't tell. They didn't say anything with about Devin, 303 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: they didn't say anything about guy. They did kind of 304 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 2: come out, I think, on a short, little, you know, 305 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 2: statement on social media and say. 306 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 3: Bil for Gil. 307 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but they didn't really ever then confront it and 308 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: he still was on our you know show a lot, 309 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 2: so I don't know what's going on. 310 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 3: I don't know what's happening. 311 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 4: It's weird. Also, like you and I very much like 312 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 4: will forgive right, It's like, not a big deal. I'm 313 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 4: not going to cancel you guy, but I I But 314 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 4: but because it's not an addressed, it lingers in my head. 315 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 4: If I heard the story from him, I'd probably be 316 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 4: more forgiving because his family seems to have been very forgiving. 317 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 4: But like I maybe even jumping the gun here, but 318 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 4: you know, just tell me the story a little bit. 319 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: I don't need as an outside stranger, the juicy details. 320 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 2: What I do want to know is if you were 321 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 2: the one chosen by Joan, like, tell me how this 322 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 2: went down, and if you've, yeah, why your family's forgiven 323 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 2: you maybe or maybe even more important than that, I 324 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 2: want the show to tell us how in the world 325 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: these guys keep getting on the show. 326 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 4: Also, Joan obviously knows and she still thinks of him 327 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 4: very highly, so I'm assuming that she knows the story. 328 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm assuming she does now too. Anyways, that was 329 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: just weird. It was kind of the hot seating moment 330 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 2: that never became hot. They the two of them seem cordial. 331 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 2: He still seems very much into Joan, and I think 332 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 2: he really was into Joan throughout the season. I think 333 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 2: he was a late burn. I think it happened like 334 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 2: last week. All of a sudden, he goes, oh my gosh, 335 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 2: there's two of us left. Do I really like this woman? 336 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: And he goes, I actually do. I love her? But 337 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 2: Joan wasn't there yet at that point. I think Chok 338 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 2: had been her number one for way long, for a long. 339 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 3: Time, and. 340 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 2: You know, it was a sweet moment for her to 341 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 2: walk and I think do it in the way she did. 342 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 2: I think this was a good thing for her to do. 343 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,239 Speaker 2: I will say this, Ashley, for as little of you know, 344 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 2: the finale as we actually got to solve see because 345 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 2: of that breakup Joan, Joan's going to be really hard 346 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 2: to replace as a Golden Bachelorette. 347 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 3: She's going to be She's going to be. 348 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 2: Really hard for them to find anybody that navigates a 349 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: process like she did. 350 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 3: Now. 351 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 2: I think they'll find one somebody that's maybe more emotional. 352 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: They might find somebody who is a little more dramatic. 353 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 2: Maybe they'll find somebody that has that really big personality 354 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 2: kind of the Caitlin Bristows and the Jojo Fletcher's of 355 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: the world that really, you know, bring to life the 356 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 2: whole show. But Joan, as you're spokesperson as your first 357 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: is an elegance and the elegance and the beauty Jessica 358 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 2: last night again back to our third silent host for 359 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 2: this episode. Joan's sitting on stage at one point and 360 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 2: Jessica goes, she like last She goes, can you imagine 361 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 2: if that's your grandma? Like, how messed up is that? 362 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 4: Like she's hot, she looks great, she does just carry 363 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 4: herself so beautifully. She will be hard to compete with. 364 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 4: You know what we didn't talk about. We didn't talk 365 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 4: about how they had been planning to get a New 366 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 4: York apartment and Chock and her are going to spend 367 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 4: a lot of time here and they're going to they're 368 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 4: going to decorate it and he like basically gave her 369 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 4: like a book of plans for it, which is adorable. 370 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 4: As the gift that we sees typical for this episode, 371 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 4: it did make me wonder, like I which they told 372 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 4: us more about their living situation, didn't even ask about 373 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 4: that on after the final rows. I'm assuming that they're 374 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 4: going to live in Maryland, which is where she's from, 375 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 4: and then they'll go up to New York, which is 376 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 4: like three and a half hours from her. 377 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 3: It's a good point, Ashley. 378 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 2: I mean that should be the number one question I 379 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 2: think that Jesse brings up during this now because it 380 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 2: was such a big deal with you know, Gary and teresas, 381 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 2: what are you guys going to do now? What is 382 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 2: next for the two of you? Especially if the show 383 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 2: knows they're doing well? 384 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 4: Do you think that was an allusion to them? 385 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 2: No, I don't think I think it was a miss. 386 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 2: I think what I'm saying is I think it should 387 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,959 Speaker 2: have been asked so we all get excited for them. 388 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 4: Because, as Theresa and we you know, addressed a couple 389 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 4: of weeks ago, you know, location was the reason for 390 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 4: their breakup publicly, even though she told us there is more. 391 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 2: So wouldn't it be interesting to know what is next 392 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 2: for you guys? We didn't really get that question more 393 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 2: than how exciting is it now and that you're going 394 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 2: to Disney World and the college football playoffs are going 395 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 2: to be happening on ABC or ESPN. I have a 396 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 2: buddy from my golf course that I golf with, and 397 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 2: he watches the show so consistently with his wife, and 398 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 2: last night I was I was coming back late from 399 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: a retreat and I hadn't been able to watch it yet. 400 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 2: But he texts me and he says, my goodness, Jesse 401 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 2: just randomly drops at the college football playoffs are going 402 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 2: to be having on ESPN, and that he gets to 403 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 2: announce a game. 404 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 3: And then he said, should have been you. 405 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 4: As the host of the show. 406 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, and that I got to do the college 407 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 2: fell at least invite me. 408 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 3: I don't know. Anyways, I'm feeling. 409 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 4: That I feel left out for you. 410 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 2: I always wake up a little slow and just wake 411 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 2: up kind of in this place of I very but 412 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 2: the the a random drop. We were laying there watching 413 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: it ourselves, and we just both went, huh. 414 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 4: It's a very weird because it's not like the same 415 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 4: demographic necessarily No. 416 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 2: And then the national championship trophies just sitting next to Jesse, 417 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 2: which means wild Joan and Chalk are both like pouring 418 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 2: their heart out about their relationship. Some little producer walks 419 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 2: up with the trophy and since it's right next to Jesse. 420 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: So those two see it and are like looking at 421 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 2: that thing while they're like, yeah, it's been an amazing ride. 422 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 3: We've had such a good time together. 423 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 4: When they did the Mormon Wives Show, when they plugged. 424 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,239 Speaker 4: That was that during gens or this previous season, one 425 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 4: of those finales, and that made sense because like people 426 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 4: who watch dramatic women like to watch dramatic women, so 427 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 4: that's all in the same boat. This was like just 428 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 4: very off, but whatever, I remember, Okay, I had one 429 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 4: more thought that I wanted to say about guy, and 430 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 4: I'm sorry ABC, but about their straight order. See, because 431 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 4: you didn't bring it up. I actually worried that he's 432 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 4: crazier than he actually might be. 433 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 2: Well that so I'm saying it would have done everybody 434 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 2: better for him to talk about it. 435 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 4: Yes see, because what do we see him crying and 436 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 4: he's very emotional and he's saying a couple of little things. 437 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 4: I'm interpreting his milk. This guy's gonna blow up. He's 438 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 4: gonna show his cheer colors. You know, he's crazy. Man. 439 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 4: He's not as even keeled as he comes across on TV. 440 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 4: I know better. Whereas like if he had just talked 441 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 4: about it. Then I would have been like, I don't know, 442 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 4: maybe I'd interpreted those scenes differently, but I couldn't. The 443 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 4: crying made me not The cry made me nervous, But 444 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 4: just like him getting broken up with I was like, Oh, 445 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 4: is he gonna freak o out? 446 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,479 Speaker 2: Is he gonna oh I only you're alone, and that 447 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 2: kind of moment going what is he gonna, you know, 448 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 2: get up and storm out? It ended up being, you know, 449 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 2: a very It ended up being a very Chris Stramberg 450 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 2: type scene where he's standing on the pier laying his 451 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 2: tears out into the ocean, weeping. 452 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 4: It was the most him. So if you guys missed 453 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 4: a couple episodes ago, Ben said that guy reminds him 454 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,719 Speaker 4: of Chris's cupcake from his season and the comparison couldn't 455 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 4: be more accurate. And they're both doctors. 456 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 2: Just to be clear, this was before I knew about 457 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 2: any legal Yeah, just to be clear, I don't. 458 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 4: Chris Chris, but I love him so much. 459 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 2: He's the best of Just saying without you know from 460 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 2: the from the surface from the show, they're very similar 461 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 2: people and huge muscles. 462 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 4: I just also need to throw it there. It had 463 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 4: to be wondering if guy got broken up off camera, 464 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 4: would it look like this? Do you know what I mean? 465 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think you're wrong, and I don't think 466 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 2: that's a I don't think you're jumping to this like 467 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 2: a place of just being a crazy fan. I think 468 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 2: it was probably in a lot of people's minds Ashley. 469 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,959 Speaker 2: A couple last thoughts on this episode. The family is 470 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 2: going to Disney World. What an incredible gift for them 471 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 2: to have all their families going out. That sounded fun 472 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 2: to me. I wanted to see the reaction from the 473 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 2: kids when they said it, though, and we didn't get 474 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 2: to see that. We were like, yeah, I mean if 475 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 2: I was a little kid and my grandma is on 476 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 2: stage dating this dude and I'm in the audience and 477 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 2: everybody's celebrating her, and then they tell me, because your 478 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 2: grandma went on a dating show, you young man get 479 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 2: to go to Disney World. I would have flipped out, 480 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 2: like I am running around that stage. 481 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 4: Maybe he didn't get to hear it because it's kind 482 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 4: of hard to hear things in there, and he's like four, 483 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 4: And then there was like the one and a half 484 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 4: year old, and then I know there's other grandchildren, but 485 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 4: those are the only ones in the audience. I chocked 486 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 4: it and seemed super thrilled about going to Disney. He 487 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 4: was like Jesus, He's like, damn, I'm like, I just 488 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 4: I just ended up with this lady killy romantic vacation. 489 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, And he's probably in the back of his mind, like, 490 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 2: I can't get out of work. I've already taken four 491 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 2: months off of work this year. I cannot leave again. 492 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 2: I have to get back to my normal life. I 493 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: remember that being a stressor for me because I was 494 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 2: still working a full time job post show, and so 495 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 2: the show would call and be like can you be 496 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 2: in La can you be here? 497 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 3: And I can't. 498 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 2: Guys, I have a job you yeah, you know you 499 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 2: if you want to pay me more, sure love to 500 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 2: It is hard, I think probably in the back of 501 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 2: his mind right now, Chalk is trying to figure out 502 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 2: how to get back to his life with Joan and 503 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 2: how to kind of settle into a rhythm. While now 504 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 2: it's kind of just starting for Chalk. He hasn't had 505 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 2: the opportunities that Jones had. He hasn't gotten into the 506 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 2: travel mode. He maybe will be able to retire a 507 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 2: little early here because he'll get a nice couple like 508 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 2: chunks of money. But yeah, for now, I think it 509 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 2: probably would be hard for him to figure out how 510 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 2: to leave this job, all right, Ashley, And closing here, 511 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 2: we'll talk about Grant season preview, just like the show did. 512 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 2: I if there is not a better representation for how 513 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 2: quickly the show moves on to the next lead, this 514 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 2: episode showed us perfectly. Because yes, it's awesome that Grant 515 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 2: was there. I think his season's going to be great. 516 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: I think he's going to be great. I'm excited to 517 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 2: watch it. Not the point. The point is we have 518 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 2: this happy couple on this stage, and then they do 519 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 2: the preview and then they're exit. Like when we all 520 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 2: say goodbye to Joan and Chalk after watching them for 521 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 2: the last few months, Grant standing right there beside him, 522 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 2: he's there and they have moved on. That show will 523 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 2: say Joan and Chalk, great job, good luck, have a 524 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 2: lot of fun out there, and Grant come on in, buddy, 525 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 2: and they'll do the same thing that Grant when his 526 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 2: season's over. Uh, it happens every time. 527 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 4: This is why they need that soft rock song and 528 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 4: the montage to their love to end the episode that 529 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 4: they used to do. 530 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 3: Why don't they do that anymore? 531 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 4: They don't know. 532 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 2: They tried to do it with the pictures, but we 533 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 2: as fans get needed to see them because the camera's 534 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 2: never zoomed in for us. So there's pictures that were 535 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 2: shown on the big screen of the two of them 536 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: during Happy Couples. I didn't get to see it because 537 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 2: the camera is so far away. 538 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 4: I really want to know how the happy couples are 539 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 4: when you're younger versus when you're older, because like you, 540 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 4: guys like never really have a great time in there 541 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 4: because you're like bored and want to get it out, 542 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 4: and they just seem to they're five. Yeah, crossroads. 543 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. 544 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm guessing it's I'm guessing it's a little 545 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 2: awkward too for them because it doesn't happen right away. 546 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 2: You don't get your first for a few weeks into this. 547 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 4: For everyone, right, Yeah, it's weird for everyone. 548 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 2: And you're like reintroducing yourself. And I think it was 549 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 2: so great of Chalk to be like, it was great 550 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 2: to get to know her during this time, Which is 551 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 2: my advice for any lead that comes onto the show 552 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 2: is hey, if you feel like you don't know this person, 553 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 2: like you don't have to you know, I've talked about this, 554 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 2: you don't have to propose, like that's not like a 555 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 2: thing that you are committing to do. But also you'll 556 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 2: get to know them later, like really well. And I 557 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 2: think that's something that probably for Chalk and Joan is 558 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 2: important for them to realize. Is they came off the show, 559 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 2: they were probably excited. There was that euphoria, there was 560 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 2: that feeling, there's the interest, and then during Happy Couples, 561 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 2: I think you really get to know the person better 562 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 2: and fall in love or not. But for the two 563 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 2: of them at this point, from what we saw during 564 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 2: this episode, I think the two of them will make it. 565 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 3: I hope they make it. 566 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 2: I hope we see a huge success story from this 567 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 2: season because Joan deserves it. 568 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 3: I think Chalk deserves. 569 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 2: It, and I think the fans want to see it 570 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 2: from the Golden Show to see that this could work 571 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 2: for sure. 572 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 4: Should we talk about Grant yea, Let's talk about the preview. Okay, 573 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 4: he was definitely a little nervous. When Jesse threw to 574 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 4: him in the audience, he was just like inspiring, inspiring, inspiring, 575 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 4: but he's very handsome, so it doesn't really matter. That 576 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 4: is a nice face to look at for the next 577 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 4: you know, however many weeks we get to. 578 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 3: Do, it doesn't really matter what he says. He's so handesome, it. 579 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 4: Doesn't really matter. He's very stunning. His girls look like 580 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 4: they're gonna be dramatic. But yeah, I guess the real 581 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 4: kicker is what you've already mentioned. He seems to get 582 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 4: to finale day without knowing who he's gonna be. That's 583 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 4: that's hard because he's like, Hey, both girls are standing there, 584 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 4: there there, We're at this moment. We're already at this moment. 585 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 4: We're not in the hotel anymore. We're at the moment 586 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 4: and you don't know yet. That's good stuff for us. 587 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 2: If I was there with him, and I hope somebody did. 588 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 2: I think at that point, if you are so conflicted, 589 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 2: honestly conflicted on that day, you can't pick. 590 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 4: You have to say, Hi, I'd like to date both 591 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 4: the person in real life. 592 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 2: Yeah one maybe like really do a heart dive here 593 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 2: and say to the person that you're most into that 594 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 2: you see a future with. Hey, this has been wild 595 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 2: and I haven't been able to have a clear thought 596 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,239 Speaker 2: in the last couple of months. Can you and I 597 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 2: just leave here and try this thing together? And I 598 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 2: think that's a fine, that's a fine way to end this. 599 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't get engaged to somebody when two minutes 600 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 4: before you're like, I may want to pick the other one. 601 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 2: Yes, it's like, Hey, I'm I don't know who I 602 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 2: want to fall in love with. Actually I love them both. Hey, 603 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 2: I've been there, but I think there was there was 604 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 2: always this what, well, who do I see a future with? 605 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 2: And I think Grant has to get to that point. 606 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 2: His season does seem dramatic, but every season is right, 607 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 2: that was Yeah, we'd never know from these previews exactly 608 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 2: how the season is going to play out and how 609 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 2: these connections are going to go, and how deep we're 610 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 2: gonna get to know the cast and get to know Grant. 611 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 2: But it will be an exciting season to watch. I'm 612 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 2: glad that it will. You know that Grant is the lead. 613 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 2: But here's the thing that we need. We need to 614 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 2: know him better. We don't know Grant yet. 615 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 4: And I'm sorry guys that I'm like making it seem 616 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 4: like he's a piece of me. But that you've ever 617 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 4: had some want to see his face. It's because I 618 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 4: don't know anything. I don't know anything beyond that for him. 619 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 4: So now I know that he likes to play piano, 620 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 4: that music is really important and expressing his feelings, and 621 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 4: that's really cute. He writes a song for one of 622 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 4: the girls. Ooh swoony. 623 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good start. I think you're probably you 624 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 2: know as much about Grant as any of us do. 625 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 2: We know what he looks like, and that's just that's 626 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 2: something that is valuable in a relationship. So his season 627 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 2: will be coming up next until Grant season. Now that 628 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 2: Joan's season of the Golden Bachelrett has done, and let's 629 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 2: do something for Joan here that I didn't feel like 630 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 2: we got last night. Joan again was elegant, She was patient, 631 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 2: She put her heart into this. She was enjoyable to watch. 632 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 2: She was easy to root for. She is beautiful on 633 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 2: the inside. Now she is an incredible first lead of 634 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 2: the Golden Bachelorette and Chalk Chalk has been intentional. He's 635 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 2: pursued her even through some huge life tragedy. He came 636 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 2: back for her. I think, at least from what we've seen, 637 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 2: Chalk loves her deeply and is so grateful for the 638 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 2: opportunity to have met her through this experience, and we 639 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 2: want to wish the two of them not only the best, 640 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 2: but say thank you for letting us watch you and 641 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 2: letting us in and your experience and your relationship. And 642 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 2: we hope for you peace, enjoy and love all the 643 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 2: years to follow, and we hope you have so much 644 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 2: adventure and fun. And please keep us updated as fans 645 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 2: because we're fans of you. 646 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 4: Yes, I really want to know about their life now. 647 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 4: Like I know I already followed Joan, but like host 648 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 4: some stuff. I want to see what the holidays look 649 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 4: like together and all that. You guys are very cute. 650 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 4: We're so happy and you're and just to reiterate what 651 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 4: Benna said, it's just like she was a beautiful lead 652 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 4: inside and out. 653 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 2: It's it was an incredible season. We hope all the 654 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 2: fans enjoyed it, and we hope all the fans maybe 655 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 2: dig it in Grant's word inspired by their love story. 656 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 2: And we hope anybody out there listening who is single 657 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 2: in their fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties nos that love can 658 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 2: be found again. So we take a lotokle break for 659 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,959 Speaker 2: our off season, where we'll catch up with headlines and 660 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 2: questions from our audience, and also some incredible interviews with 661 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,959 Speaker 2: some of your favorites from Bachelor Nation. We look forward 662 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 2: to this time because it's kind of a reset for 663 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 2: us before we enter back into breaking down episodes. So 664 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 2: write us your questions, send us any thoughts you have. 665 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 2: We love to talk to you through our microphones, but 666 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 2: until next time, I've been Ben. 667 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 4: I've been Anesley. 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