WEBVTT - The 4-8 Game

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the solid verbal home that for me. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a man. I'm forty.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>be happy.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to be happy for a day? Edo steak?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that woo woom?

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<v Speaker 3>And then and tie.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the solid verbol, boys and girls. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is ty hilden Brandt. That fine gentleman over there

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<v Speaker 1>is always the monster of the midway, Dan Rubinstein, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you? I'm not bad, Tye, I'm not bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I went into the city yesterday for a lunch. I

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<v Speaker 1>got out of the house, which felt good. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>raining today, so I'm gonna try to go for a run.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a very strange runner. I've talked about this on

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<v Speaker 1>the show before, where you know the old adage it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a marathon, or it's not a sprint, it's a marathon, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I go out there and I do sprints. I go

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<v Speaker 1>out there and I don't just go jogging for like

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<v Speaker 1>a five k or a ten k or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do a warm up jog and then I just

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<v Speaker 1>sprint like eighth of a mile, quarter of a mile,

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<v Speaker 1>because one I find it to be a better workout

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<v Speaker 1>for me and I put a little bit less stress

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<v Speaker 1>on my joints because I don't like running long distances,

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<v Speaker 1>and two because I'm a demon on the tennis court.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good for my short track speed, my burst.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm out there as people are just leisurely riding

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<v Speaker 2>their bicycles, going for walks, going for jogs like and

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<v Speaker 2>that's me out there, burning up the pavement and always

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<v Speaker 2>excited to do it. And when it's warm enough, TI

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<v Speaker 2>come on. Life is good.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you considered going to a local baseball field and

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<v Speaker 1>running from home to first and first to second to

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<v Speaker 1>work on that interval.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't done baseball field and I haven't thought about it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I have thought about finding giant empty parking lots

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<v Speaker 2>like you would train a toddler to ride a bike

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<v Speaker 2>or train a teenager to drive a car, and just

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<v Speaker 2>do it at like six am. So my exposure is

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<v Speaker 2>not there.

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<v Speaker 1>Wearing a garbage bag like Bradley Cooper in Silver Linings Playbook.

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<v Speaker 1>Again again, I'm the same page, setting up some cones

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<v Speaker 1>and just doing sprints because if I'm really doing it

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<v Speaker 1>for tennis, I need the right surface, So it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a harder surface, not dirt and really doing

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<v Speaker 1>that short track like change of direction, burst speed stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But that that may be a bridge too far. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>see though, Yeah, because I mean you're pushing up now

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<v Speaker 1>into your fifth decade of life before you know it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in my mid to late thirties, sir. Yeah, you're

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<v Speaker 1>pushing up against that glass ceiling of sorts, and the

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<v Speaker 1>point at which you just stop caring what others think

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<v Speaker 1>is fast approaching.

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<v Speaker 2>True, it's a reality, but ty, I'm just I'm getting better.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm improving, which is.

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<v Speaker 1>What the following teams should be aiming for, should be

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<v Speaker 1>angling for. We are celebrating four and eight week. This

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<v Speaker 1>episode will be released on for the public on April

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<v Speaker 1>the seventh, which is a day before the.

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<v Speaker 2>Eighth, but it's four and eight week, and so we

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<v Speaker 2>are celebrating a number of teams, both in Power Conferences,

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<v Speaker 2>G five Conferences and the like, who unfortunately went four

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<v Speaker 2>and eight and twenty twenty one. And it's not a

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<v Speaker 2>season recap, it's not a season preview. It's just sort

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<v Speaker 2>of a state of four and eight, How they got there,

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on? Did coaches come in and out, did

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<v Speaker 2>players come in and out? You know where is this

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<v Speaker 2>program in terms of how serious they are about pushing

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<v Speaker 2>up much in the way that you have pushed up

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<v Speaker 2>into your fifth decade of life. Thank you into becoming

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<v Speaker 2>a bowl team, because that's obviously the next goal for

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<v Speaker 2>a number of these teams. Obviously some have higher aspirations,

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<v Speaker 2>but we celebrate all things four and eight because it

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<v Speaker 2>is April eighth soon at the time of recording this show.

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<v Speaker 1>we go further, let's Bob Bowlesby. Dan, Bob Bowlesby gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be stepping down as Big Twelve commissioner. That news came out.

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Bolesby has presided over a rather interesting time in

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<v Speaker 1>the Big Twelve, notably during which two of the founding members,

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<v Speaker 1>Texas and Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 3>Have decided a bolt for the SEC.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you've got any like stinging thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>on this, Dan, but it is notable because Bob Bolsby

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<v Speaker 1>has been a pretty big player, a mid conference re

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<v Speaker 1>alignment talk, a mid playoff expansion talk, amid so much

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<v Speaker 1>of what goes down, specifically as it relates to college

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<v Speaker 1>football in the Big Twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I wouldn't call it a risky addition to

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<v Speaker 2>the Big Twelve in terms of the four new teams

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<v Speaker 2>coming in, but it is a conference going through a

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<v Speaker 2>good amount of change, and he was at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>unable to sort of navigate the politics and bring the

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<v Speaker 2>Big Twelve in line with where the Big Ten and

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<v Speaker 2>SEC were in terms of adding teams of note and

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<v Speaker 2>of substance or just teams that exist in the case

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<v Speaker 2>of a couple of those editions, and so fell behind

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<v Speaker 2>as a commissioner as it relates to football expansion and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, TV deals, But all in all seems to

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<v Speaker 2>be somewhat well respected in the community. And now the

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<v Speaker 2>names that are being thrown around, largely in the athletic

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<v Speaker 2>director and an administrative community are some of the name

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Greg Byrne and Alabama and Rob Mullins at

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<v Speaker 2>Oregon I saw are the names that you know have

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<v Speaker 2>come up for these types of positions in the past.

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<v Speaker 2>And we'll be fascinating to see because the Big Twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, is finding itself in a time of great change.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, I'm sure it was a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you look at some of Bolsby's quotes and comments

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<v Speaker 2>about the Texas and Oklahoma change, that he was caught

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<v Speaker 2>totally off guard. YEA, that it has been an entirely

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<v Speaker 2>stressful time these past couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>In the in the Big Twelve, offices. I also saw

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<v Speaker 1>Oliver Luck. There can't be always administrative job in college

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<v Speaker 1>football or otherwise it does involve Oliver Luck's name. He's

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<v Speaker 1>got the best agent correct on that side of the business.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, we'll see which direction they go. One interesting

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<v Speaker 1>nuggie that I found oh about this is did you

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<v Speaker 1>know that now with Bob Bolsby departing retiring, Greg Sankee

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be the lone commissioner who was with

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<v Speaker 1>his league prior to twenty twenty. So there's been a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of chess in the commissioner space here within major

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<v Speaker 1>college football. It will reshape the way we view things.

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<v Speaker 1>We saw what happened during the pandemic and more recently

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<v Speaker 1>now with the Pac twelve and Kevin Warren in the

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<v Speaker 1>ACC and the quote unquote alliance. Who knows what's to

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<v Speaker 1>come for the Big twelve, but it will be a

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<v Speaker 1>new person at the Helm for that conference. And if you,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, if you remember, because we did the

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<v Speaker 1>show with Nicole Aauerback who spent a lot of time

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<v Speaker 1>discussing the dynamics within the Big ten and having a

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<v Speaker 1>new commissioner when a number of athletic directors and presidents

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<v Speaker 1>and chancellors were pulling in different directions with the COVID

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<v Speaker 1>season last year twenty twenty, and so whoever it is,

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<v Speaker 1>and this goes obviously for any any commissioner who has

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<v Speaker 1>unique challenges within his or her conference. It's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be somebody who can come into this changing conference with

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<v Speaker 1>a number of teams with different perspectives or programs in

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<v Speaker 1>schools with different perspectives, different goals, and has to very

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<v Speaker 1>quickly get them on the same page, right, that there

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<v Speaker 1>has to be this unifying force that has to come in,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in a conference with so much change. And that

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<v Speaker 1>was where you know, the Big Ten really struggled with

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<v Speaker 1>with Kevin Warren. Communication, Yeah, communication and and and that

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<v Speaker 1>mutual trust right when we talked to and this is

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<v Speaker 1>part of we did a couple episodes about this. We

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<v Speaker 1>also talked to David Jones, our friend for Penn Live,

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<v Speaker 1>and his point was just in comparing someone like a

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin Warren to Jim Delaney for whom he took over

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<v Speaker 1>the conference, his point was, folks didn't always like Jim Delaney,

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<v Speaker 1>but they knew they could trust him and he was

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<v Speaker 1>very good at getting people in line. He was good

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<v Speaker 1>at communicating and for a new commissioner in the case

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<v Speaker 1>of Kevin Warren to step in at the moment that

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<v Speaker 1>he did, it was a particular challenge, not only trying

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<v Speaker 1>to circle the wagons here and get everybody on the

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<v Speaker 1>same page, but with COVID going on, it was it

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<v Speaker 1>was sort of a nightmare. Bob bowlsby stepping away at

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<v Speaker 1>this point in time, it's got its own set of

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<v Speaker 1>unique challenges with the conference changing, with college football changing,

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<v Speaker 1>what have you. So yeah, we'll see which direction they go. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>at the administrative level, I saw that Mark Emmert is

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<v Speaker 1>issuing kind of an edict would be the wrong word,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's making a request, let's say, prayer, a prayer

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<v Speaker 1>that Congress will take up legislation and create a uniform

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<v Speaker 1>set of guidelines and rules for nil R. The NCAA

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<v Speaker 1>now trapped in this awkward grace base where they want

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<v Speaker 1>to be involved but not too much correct asking, ever

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<v Speaker 1>so politely, please take up some legislation some way to

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<v Speaker 1>apply these rules uniformly across.

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<v Speaker 3>All fifty states.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how close we are or aren't to

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<v Speaker 1>that actually happening. My guess is that there is political

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<v Speaker 1>interest out there for some congressmen among us to get

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<v Speaker 1>that job done. Whether or not it's something that will

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<v Speaker 1>be fast track remains to be seen, but it will

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<v Speaker 1>certainly be a talking point, at least at that NCAA

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<v Speaker 1>level for quite some time until it actually gets done.

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<v Speaker 1>It will get done eventually, we just don't know when. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>It just doesn't seem like it's going to become a

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<v Speaker 2>huge national priority unless there are political points to be gained,

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<v Speaker 2>just because I don't know. It seems like a lot

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<v Speaker 2>is happening right now, not going on right now, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of downtime to say, is there anything we can

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<v Speaker 2>figure out that doesn't seem to.

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<v Speaker 1>Be the case. But I don't know, I'm the wrong person.

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<v Speaker 3>Ask elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>In college football, Yeah, Notre Dame announced via a hype video. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>just weird that they're going to play Tennessee State to

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<v Speaker 1>open the season in twenty twenty three. It is the

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<v Speaker 1>first time ever that the Irish will be playing an

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<v Speaker 1>FCS team. Not sure for the promotional stuff, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>really get that. But it's April. It's April. We're all

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<v Speaker 1>in search of content. What I took away from this

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<v Speaker 1>with them playing an FCS team is maybe they're closer

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<v Speaker 1>to joining the SEC than anybody really thought, Oh how

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<v Speaker 1>dare you? Maybe they're just they're close to it. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't just getting their feet wet.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm okay with playing an FCS team and FCS team

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<v Speaker 2>every year. My views have sort of come around and

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<v Speaker 2>evolved on this, because.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, you need cash.

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<v Speaker 2>You need cash if you want multiple levels of football,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want a lot of participation in the sport,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to make it financially viable. And it's an

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to play a lot of young players and walk

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<v Speaker 2>on if you're one of these power programs in the

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<v Speaker 2>second half and you're blowing somebody up and you see

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<v Speaker 2>what you have in terms of depth and guys and

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<v Speaker 2>effort and all those things. So I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't like the idea that I still like the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of a more centralized way of scheduling. But yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>was Notre Dame USC and UCLA, and UCLA now has

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<v Speaker 2>I believe Alabama State on the books and USC canceled

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<v Speaker 2>the game with the fight naggies of UC Davis I

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<v Speaker 2>think last year. So they still haven't played an FCS team.

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<v Speaker 2>That's some sort of like merit badge, I guess, but no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm okay with it. I want the still more uniform

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<v Speaker 2>scheduling of more you know, interesting power five on power

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<v Speaker 2>five action that schools don't just get to decide amongst themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm fine with it, especially because it gives us

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<v Speaker 2>always the possibility of a major program paying big money

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<v Speaker 2>to lose, to lose that game, and before it has

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<v Speaker 2>not just FCS Power five G five of course, but

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<v Speaker 2>it just it gives us that chance, and I'm always

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<v Speaker 2>for it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a perfect segue, yes, into our segment.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why you're a pros pro.

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<v Speaker 1>Any other news, by the way, anything that came across

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<v Speaker 1>the desk of Dan Rubinstein that we should address here.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, we have spring practice going on, and

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<v Speaker 2>we have spring games going on, and you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>not a lot of teams that are gonna take chances

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<v Speaker 2>with guys who are beat up, and there's not a

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<v Speaker 2>lot to glean from a lot of these games. And

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<v Speaker 2>we'll do a sort of spring game and spring practice

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<v Speaker 2>recap and wrap once it's over. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>worth paying attention to if, especially if you're rooting for

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<v Speaker 2>a team with a new coach. I don't even I

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm gonna be on the road when Oregon plays

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<v Speaker 2>it's spring game. I don't know if you are planning

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<v Speaker 2>your I don't know April or May around Notre Dames

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<v Speaker 2>spring game always.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I gotta look when it is always always

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<v Speaker 1>playing around that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it just seems like a situation where we're better

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<v Speaker 2>off aggregating the bigger stuff than really diving into each

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<v Speaker 2>individual story that comes out. As as he mentioned at

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<v Speaker 2>the top of the show, Dan Rubinstein, it is four

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<v Speaker 2>and eight week, Yes, four and eight week. We've got

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<v Speaker 2>a list of teams in front of us, those being USC,

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<v Speaker 2>Washington and Colorado, sort of like packed twelve week here

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<v Speaker 2>on the.

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<v Speaker 3>Show, How dare you?

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<v Speaker 1>In addition to Bowling Green, Buffalo, Navy, Rice, Texas State,

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<v Speaker 1>and Louisiana Monroe the Warhawks, those are the teams in

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<v Speaker 1>major college football that went four to eighth this past season.

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<v Speaker 1>What we've been doing, what we've done two previous episodes

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<v Speaker 1>now during three and nine and two and ten week

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<v Speaker 1>is Dan puts together a couple questions and he quizzes

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<v Speaker 1>me which team is responsible for insert your nuggie here.

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<v Speaker 1>I try to guess sometimes I get it right, in

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<v Speaker 1>the case of the last episode, most of the time

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<v Speaker 1>I get it wrong. Now we talk a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about that team, as he said, not a recap, not

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<v Speaker 1>a preview, just sort of a what the hell?

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<v Speaker 3>Four and eight? What the what the hell?

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<v Speaker 1>So, I don't know if you've got any sounds at

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<v Speaker 1>the ready? My iPad, I'm gonna hold this up for

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<v Speaker 1>the camera. Mypad's dead again. I have to get this fixed.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what I did. All good, I'll teach

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<v Speaker 1>you some technology stuff. Yep, dead, I can't get it

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<v Speaker 1>to start back up. So maybe a genius bar appointment

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<v Speaker 1>in my future. That being said, play some sounds for

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<v Speaker 1>us usher in this ridiculous game that we've got here

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<v Speaker 1>on four All right, we are building programs back into

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<v Speaker 1>bowl shape here on the solid verbal So I'm here

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<v Speaker 1>to help.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, you ready for program number one? Yes, this

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<v Speaker 2>program's offense was so bad?

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<v Speaker 1>How bad were they? Damn? How bad? They were? So bad?

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<v Speaker 2>They got shut out by a team who themselves were

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<v Speaker 2>very displeased with Their offensive coordinator went in a new direction.

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<v Speaker 2>And so this team that got shut out hired said

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<v Speaker 2>offensive coordinator, who led a comfortable win over this team.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be honest, Yeah, I had a hard time

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<v Speaker 1>following that. Okay, So team A lost a game thirty

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<v Speaker 1>to zero. The team that scored thirty at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the season was like, Nope, we don't like this

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<v Speaker 1>offensive coordinator. Team B, who scored zero points said, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, we'll take them. Our offense is pretty bad

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<v Speaker 1>and thirty seems like a pretty sweet deal. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know who what team that is. So Colorado lost

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<v Speaker 1>to Minnesota thirty to nothing. Mike Sanford was Minnesota's offensive

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<v Speaker 1>coordinator last year. They were not too pleased, especially because

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota they themselves lost to another team on this four

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<v Speaker 1>and eight list, not scoring many points in the process.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Mike Sandford is now the new offensive coordinator

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<v Speaker 1>at Colorado who has had themselves a very strange I

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<v Speaker 1>would argue a year and a half after being surprisingly

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<v Speaker 1>good in the COVID short and twenty twenty season, especially

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<v Speaker 1>with what they were to do on the ground, they

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<v Speaker 1>were feisty at moments in twenty twenty one, but they

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<v Speaker 1>lost a good amount of talent to the portal and

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<v Speaker 1>weirdly and I guess impressive in its own way. Colorado

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<v Speaker 1>lost said talent on defense to big schools, which is

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<v Speaker 1>typically not what we see. Typically, what we see is

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<v Speaker 1>when players enter the portal, they like they'll go down

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<v Speaker 1>to a you know, lesser programs for more playing time,

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<v Speaker 1>be it smaller.

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<v Speaker 2>P five, G five whatever. Colorado players have ended up

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<v Speaker 2>at you know, Brendan Rice and at least a player

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<v Speaker 2>in the secondary ended up at USC another dB A

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<v Speaker 2>corner Christian Gonzales at Oregon. They lost a player to

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<v Speaker 2>TCU Iowa State. So Colorado in a weird position where

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<v Speaker 2>the offense was kind of a nightmare last year. They

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<v Speaker 2>hire a coordinator who is not super well regarded as

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<v Speaker 2>of late, and Mike Sandford and haven't been recruiting well

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<v Speaker 2>at all, and so I you know, they bring in

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<v Speaker 2>Tommy Brown, an offensive lineman from Alabeia who was well

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<v Speaker 2>regarded as a recruit but didn't really make a huge

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<v Speaker 2>impact on the Alabama offensive line these past few years.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's hard to be crazy optimistic about Colorado short medium,

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<v Speaker 2>long term, and I don't see it ending well for

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<v Speaker 2>the Buffs. It's hard to see them as a consistent

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<v Speaker 2>six seven eight when program moving forward.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean you sort of tell the Colorado story

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<v Speaker 1>in the last five years of pre slash during Meltucker,

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<v Speaker 1>that one volunted season. Yeah, and now what's happened since?

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<v Speaker 1>And they were, as you said, surprisingly decent in the

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<v Speaker 1>first season under Carl Durrell.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think he won awards, right, he was doing a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good job. And then it kind of spun out a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit and then we have what took place in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one. You could argue the highlight of the

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<v Speaker 1>season was losing in Week two by.

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<v Speaker 3>Three to Texas A.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was the game, by the way, where Haynes

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<v Speaker 1>King went down in the second possession. Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was in Denver. Yeah, ushered in the Calzada Armada.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he's off to Auburn, which is a whole other thing.

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<v Speaker 1>We can talk about that later. But otherwise, this was

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<v Speaker 1>a team that really struggled. You know, there's not one

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<v Speaker 1>thing you can point to. This is a team that

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<v Speaker 1>really just frankly struggled in nearly all facets of the game.

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<v Speaker 1>I always go to coaches hotseat dot com. That's my

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<v Speaker 1>fun little vice here in the offseason, just to see

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<v Speaker 1>how they're ranking college coaches as we go into the

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<v Speaker 1>new season, right as you might expect, Carl Durell cracking

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<v Speaker 1>the top ten there, coming in at number ten. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>curious to see what happens to him if, in fact

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<v Speaker 1>they end up going a different direction. It was always

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a strange hire to me to bring him back,

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<v Speaker 1>but Colorado needs to get some juice here as we

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<v Speaker 1>go forward at the twenty twenty two. Otherwise I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's going to be a coaching change.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they brought back our guy, Derek Markle in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of graphic design and and publicizing the program, who does

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<v Speaker 2>a very good job, so that's helpful. I'm not across

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<v Speaker 2>the board against retread hires as Carl Durell. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>he has some success at UCLA, but is ultimately not

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<v Speaker 2>a long term answer at UCLA what like fifteen twelve

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, and goes to the NFL, comes back to Colorado.

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<v Speaker 2>It just seemed a little bit uninspired the way in

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<v Speaker 2>which he has hired assistance and whatever their budgetary constraints

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<v Speaker 2>obviously play a role in this at Colorado. But if

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<v Speaker 2>he comes back to a PAC twelve PAC ten job

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<v Speaker 2>and says I'm hiring these young up and coming assistants,

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<v Speaker 2>Like we're putting all this money into recruiting and going

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<v Speaker 2>into Texas and California, but it just seems like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you bring in Mike Sandford, like you just you make

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<v Speaker 2>some of these assistant hires and they're not recruiting on

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<v Speaker 2>any interesting levels. At least you look like Arizona in

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<v Speaker 2>the way that, like Jed Fish has said, Okay, this

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<v Speaker 2>is what we're doing. This is how we're focusing on

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<v Speaker 2>the portal. This is how we're going to recruit southern California.

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<v Speaker 2>This is how we're gonna build relationships and hire assistance.

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<v Speaker 2>It's inspired. What Colorado has done is just sort of

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<v Speaker 2>at best, hoping to luck into a bowl game via

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<v Speaker 2>some lucky breaks, which is not a way to live

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<v Speaker 2>your life.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, I do have the sp plus numbers

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<v Speaker 1>here for Colorado. Yeah, one hundred and fourth overall, one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twentieth on offense, which is not good, ninety

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<v Speaker 1>fourth on defense equally almost equally not as good. Second

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<v Speaker 1>order wins was three, So this is a four win

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<v Speaker 1>team that played like a three win team, which tells

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<v Speaker 1>you a lot of what you need to know here

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<v Speaker 1>about the Buffaloes. Last season, Next team, next team. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>this team did the sort of impossible, And there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of teams who you could argue did something that

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<v Speaker 1>was sort of impossible in which the manner in which

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<v Speaker 1>they went four and eight. It's sometimes difficult to go

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<v Speaker 1>four and eight, believe it or not. This team managed

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<v Speaker 1>to have arguably the best defensive field that helped to

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<v Speaker 1>produce an interestingly very good defense with almost no pass

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<v Speaker 1>rush and definitely basically no offense, but still managed to

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<v Speaker 1>put up in like, very very impressive defensive numbers in

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<v Speaker 1>the process, especially considering how difficult it is to have

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<v Speaker 1>an elite part of your defense and go.

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<v Speaker 3>Four and eight. Is this the Washington Huskies.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the Washington Huskies. We're staying out west.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Washington Huskies led by Trent McDuffie. He's the big

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<v Speaker 2>name and he's the big draft name coming up here.

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<v Speaker 2>But think Kyler Gordon. They bring in Bookie Radley Hiles,

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<v Speaker 2>the transfer from Oklahoma. Basically no pass rush, ETF doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>come back until later on in the season, but they

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<v Speaker 2>play that two high system and Bob Gregory took over

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<v Speaker 2>as defensive coordinator. And whether it was a Pac twelve

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<v Speaker 2>quarterback thing, whether it was an opposing offensive coordinator thing.

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<v Speaker 2>There are all sorts of factors that go into it.

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<v Speaker 2>But the Washington pass defense was incredible without a good

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<v Speaker 2>pass rush. Is this a half of a half team?

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<v Speaker 1>It's quarter team. Yeah, we've got a quarterton team or something. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>eighth of a team. Here is the book on Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>Washington came into the season with a lot of acclaim.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember doing a preview Washington. Whenever we did it,

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<v Speaker 1>when was that July, last July something like that, we

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<v Speaker 1>were holding up I have it here behind me. I

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<v Speaker 1>was holding up the Phil Steele preview magazine, and Washington

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<v Speaker 1>was one of his surprise teams.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the thing that he does.

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<v Speaker 1>He was all in a Washington. They got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>coming back. Jimmy Lake knows how to coach defense.

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<v Speaker 3>Blah blah blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it didn't work out. Predictions don't always work out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to hold that against Phil Steele, but

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<v Speaker 1>right it was something that I frequently pointed out throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the course of the year because Washington was bad. Washington

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<v Speaker 1>was eighty third in the SP plus they were the

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<v Speaker 1>epitome at least of a half team, maybe of a

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<v Speaker 1>quarter team by your definition, but one oh one in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of their offensive sp plus efficiency, forty fifth in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of defense. Yeah, second order wins five point two.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe the record wasn't quite indicative of this team,

0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:15.680
<v Speaker 1>but it was close enough. This team had to deal

0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:18.840
<v Speaker 1>with the Jimmy Lake thing. There was strife around Jimmy Lake.

0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:21.359
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Lake got fired after a week eleven loss to

0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Arizona State. For the rest of the season, pretty much,

0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:28.080
<v Speaker 1>I should say, the entire season. This is the story

0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:31.400
<v Speaker 1>of the defense. I think, to your point, playing pretty

0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:34.520
<v Speaker 1>damn well, you're good enough stopping big plays. They're really

0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:37.600
<v Speaker 1>good against the pass, maybe not so much against the run.

0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:39.679
<v Speaker 1>That's why Michigan beat him by twenty one, But we

0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:43.320
<v Speaker 1>can talk about that if we want. On offense, though,

0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:46.480
<v Speaker 1>they just they didn't have any playmakers. If I said

0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:49.680
<v Speaker 1>to you, no, who were Washington's playmakers, how do you

0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:51.320
<v Speaker 1>answer that question? On offense?

0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Uh, they're offensive tackles like I don't like. I'm no,

0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:01.399
<v Speaker 2>Kate Otton was good, a very good tight end, but yeah,

0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:06.080
<v Speaker 2>otherwise no, but no, they went they went Torrell buying

0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:08.080
<v Speaker 2>them left. Yeah, they went three.

0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:12.600
<v Speaker 1>And out A Ton ninety ninth in the nation in

0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:14.879
<v Speaker 1>terms of three and out percentage. So the offense was

0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 1>not good when it was out there. Yeah, the passing

0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:20.040
<v Speaker 1>game we talked about this a little bit before we

0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:22.720
<v Speaker 1>hit record, just didn't really have much in the way

0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:24.680
<v Speaker 1>of downfield threats, right.

0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:25.520
<v Speaker 3>That hurt them.

0:25:26.119 --> 0:25:28.720
<v Speaker 1>We should have known something was off when they lost

0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:33.760
<v Speaker 1>in Week one to Montana, which is a callback to

0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:36.480
<v Speaker 1>what we said before about losing FCS teams. They lost

0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:37.000
<v Speaker 1>to the Grizz.

0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:38.720
<v Speaker 3>Grizz is a good.

0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:42.560
<v Speaker 2>FCS team, But come on, this is Washington counterpoint. Counterpoint,

0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Why you got to bring up old stuff? Ty, We

0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:48.600
<v Speaker 2>are in a new era of Washington football. So this

0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:52.920
<v Speaker 2>is our first team where everything has been overhauled. Correct

0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:55.600
<v Speaker 2>hire Klin de boor their new coordinators. I mean, so

0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Washington is essentially all in on the Fresno staff, which

0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:01.280
<v Speaker 2>is I'm sure was part of his hiring. He was

0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:04.000
<v Speaker 2>he had the ability to say because there were reports

0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:07.000
<v Speaker 2>that Washington was sort of not getting a ton of

0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:11.080
<v Speaker 2>enthusiasms from some of the bigger names in the coaching world,

0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:14.320
<v Speaker 2>and so Kaylen de Bor had some leverage and he's

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:17.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna bring my coordinators in Washington said, all right,

0:26:17.520 --> 0:26:20.159
<v Speaker 2>so Washington's all in on Fresno ball. They tried to

0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:25.199
<v Speaker 2>get Jake Hayner, but obviously that didn't work out, so

0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:29.359
<v Speaker 2>Washington is into the kaylend bor era. It is unclear

0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:32.000
<v Speaker 2>but not promising in terms of what they're going to

0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:35.000
<v Speaker 2>do on the recruiting trail, because they are a program

0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:39.040
<v Speaker 2>that is has site set on keeping up with USC

0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:41.720
<v Speaker 2>and Oregon on the trail, and of course Utah in

0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:45.119
<v Speaker 2>the win column, and Utah has been recruiting better and

0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:50.159
<v Speaker 2>better for sure. So they I think are going to

0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:57.000
<v Speaker 2>improve from a play to play competence quotient kind of perspective,

0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:00.000
<v Speaker 2>just because I think Kaylen de Borr is a very

0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:03.080
<v Speaker 2>much seasoned head coach who has an eye for assistant

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:07.959
<v Speaker 2>and playing talent. The question is can you do that

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:12.680
<v Speaker 2>only finding your guys right, Because Chris Peterson was able

0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:14.399
<v Speaker 2>to recruit on a high level, Sark was able to

0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:16.560
<v Speaker 2>recruit on a high level. You know, they notably bring

0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:18.840
<v Speaker 2>in Michael Pennix, who kalender War has the experience with

0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 2>from Indiana at quarterback. You know, bring in the new

0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:25.240
<v Speaker 2>Mexico running back transfer who's promising, but they lose a

0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:28.440
<v Speaker 2>healthy amount of guys to the portal, especially on defense,

0:27:29.040 --> 0:27:31.800
<v Speaker 2>and so what does that roster look like, not just

0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:34.960
<v Speaker 2>this season whatever, but these next three years? What is

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:37.879
<v Speaker 2>the recruiting strategy, What is the retention strategy? What does

0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:42.520
<v Speaker 2>the portal guys coming in strategy look like for the Huskies?

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:46.560
<v Speaker 2>Because I don't know. I think budgetarily couldn't be a word,

0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:50.400
<v Speaker 2>but maybe it is. I don't know if Washington necessarily

0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:54.320
<v Speaker 2>has the budget to go out and make big hires

0:27:54.560 --> 0:27:57.680
<v Speaker 2>or load up that staff in a place where it's

0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:01.760
<v Speaker 2>costly to live, you know, the recruiting staff, the analysts,

0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:03.960
<v Speaker 2>all that kind of thing. So like Washington has an

0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:09.880
<v Speaker 2>uphill battle in state talents decent, But man, I'm curious

0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:13.240
<v Speaker 2>to see what that that big picture strategy looks like

0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:15.440
<v Speaker 2>come twenty twenty five.

0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it also should be pointed out. Maybe it's the

0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 1>elephant in the room. John Donovan was the offensive coordinator. Correct,

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:25.760
<v Speaker 1>John Donna on to the budget thing. Yeah, so like

0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:30.040
<v Speaker 1>I think on some level, just get rid of him

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:33.200
<v Speaker 1>and go in the direction whatever direction Kaylin de board

0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:35.359
<v Speaker 1>decides to go, that will be better.

0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:36.800
<v Speaker 3>Than where they were under him.

0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm sure John Donaland's a nice guy. He's just

0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:42.760
<v Speaker 1>not a good coordinator, and so they're gonna get better

0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:47.120
<v Speaker 1>on offense. The question is after you kind of sand

0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 1>off the rough edges and get things nice and tight

0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:53.000
<v Speaker 1>and get them to the point where fundamentally they're they're

0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:56.600
<v Speaker 1>more sound than they've been. Yeah, to what degree can

0:28:56.600 --> 0:28:59.040
<v Speaker 1>you elevate the program? To what degree can you get

0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:03.120
<v Speaker 1>above seven, five, eight and four after you do that, which, yeah,

0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:05.920
<v Speaker 1>you would assume Washington can get to before long. It's

0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:08.960
<v Speaker 1>that kind of place. But elevating the program to the

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:11.920
<v Speaker 1>point where they're like contending, that's that's going to be

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:15.880
<v Speaker 1>I think the the interesting question for Kaitlin debor how

0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:17.400
<v Speaker 1>can he do that? How can he elevate?

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:19.920
<v Speaker 2>I think you nail the numbers exactly seven and a

0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 2>half eight wins without recruiting on a high level, without

0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, producing top three in the PAC twelve classes.

0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:29.160
<v Speaker 1>Year and year out.

0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:31.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, is doable. You can do that.

0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:36.200
<v Speaker 2>It's going to be a question of acquisition and retention.

0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 2>And unclear to me right now that that that this

0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:44.840
<v Speaker 2>is a Washington program serious about acquiring and retaining on

0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:53.160
<v Speaker 2>that level. Next program, Yeah, gutted to the stud's highest ceiling.

0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:56.240
<v Speaker 1>In the in the grouping that we have got to

0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 1>be USC, right, it's USC. Yeah, Yeah, it's either USC

0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:01.720
<v Speaker 1>or RICE, and I don't I think it's Rice. Yeah,

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:06.840
<v Speaker 1>of course, Yeah, your sister programs USC and RICE. Look,

0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:08.640
<v Speaker 1>they go four and eight for a reason. The defense

0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:11.560
<v Speaker 1>is a nightmare. They fire Clay Hilton a couple games

0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 1>into the season. He's now at Georgia Southern. We know everything.

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:17.840
<v Speaker 2>With Lincoln Riley now coming in, A ton of players leave,

0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:20.080
<v Speaker 2>I think, the most notable being Jackson Dart.

0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:21.920
<v Speaker 1>A ton of interesting players come in.

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Most notably Caleb Williams, followed by Mario Williams, followed by

0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 2>Travis Dye from Oregon Like. There are a lot of interesting,

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:32.040
<v Speaker 2>especially offensive players that have come into this program. Offense

0:30:32.080 --> 0:30:34.920
<v Speaker 2>not necessarily the biggest problem, but.

0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Losing who they do. Keaton Slovas makes his way to PITT.

0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:39.160
<v Speaker 1>I believe.

0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Recruiting should be gangbusters. This is a team that if

0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:48.640
<v Speaker 2>all clicks, if all works out, especially on defense, team

0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:51.280
<v Speaker 2>will be contending for a playoff spot in a few years.

0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 2>I think it'll take some time, but I am exceedingly

0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 2>curious about where USC goes from here. A lot of

0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:01.240
<v Speaker 2>inc has been spilled over how USC got to the

0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:02.880
<v Speaker 2>point where they were four and eight and firing their

0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 2>coach a couple games into the season. But if you're

0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:10.240
<v Speaker 2>a USC fan right now listening to the show in April,

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 2>it's all puppy dogs and rainbows, right.

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, Yeah, oh my god.

0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 1>And I mean evidence enough of this, not just the

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:23.480
<v Speaker 1>I think optimism on the USC side, but also on

0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 1>the Oklahoma side. Whenever we post a video on YouTube,

0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 1>whenever anybody does anything, yeah, whenever we post a video

0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:34.280
<v Speaker 1>specifically for us on YouTube that references Lincoln Riley or USC,

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:37.120
<v Speaker 1>it does better than all the other videos. And I

0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:40.680
<v Speaker 1>think it's because people care, people are interested in this story.

0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 1>It was really the first big domino to fall in

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 1>the coaching carousel after Lincoln Riley decided to go westward.

0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 1>We had the news come out about Brian Kelly. I

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:52.440
<v Speaker 1>think like the next day or so. I mean, it

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:53.680
<v Speaker 1>moved pretty.

0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:55.040
<v Speaker 3>Quickly, and.

0:31:56.480 --> 0:32:00.800
<v Speaker 1>I think everybody is very curious here, curious to see

0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:03.160
<v Speaker 1>how quickly he can build them up. There seems to

0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:06.720
<v Speaker 1>be an assumption that he will sure, and I was

0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 1>hoping maybe we could unpack that a little bit, because

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:12.520
<v Speaker 1>USC finds itself in an interesting spot. I think you're

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:15.240
<v Speaker 1>right to say that recruiting is going to be very solid.

0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Recruiting's already been very solid. No, it's going to be

0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 1>very very very very very good. It's going to be

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:24.200
<v Speaker 1>very good. It's already been good. He's worked the portal,

0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:28.040
<v Speaker 1>I think masterfully. People just want to play for this guy.

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:31.560
<v Speaker 3>But the point that you've raised that.

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:35.920
<v Speaker 1>I've seen others raise in the past is that USC,

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:40.360
<v Speaker 1>at least in twenty twenty two, is going to be

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:43.280
<v Speaker 1>better on the top line when it comes to talent,

0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:47.440
<v Speaker 1>but building up depth, getting to the point where they've

0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:50.960
<v Speaker 1>got the fundamentals taken care of, especially on defense, doing

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:53.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the little stuff that maybe doesn't make

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:56.640
<v Speaker 1>the headlines. That's going to take a while. Do you

0:32:56.720 --> 0:33:02.480
<v Speaker 1>still feel that way? Yeah, yeah, I am. Look, there's

0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:06.240
<v Speaker 1>not a lot standing in USC's way within the PAC twelve.

0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 1>I think there is a pretty wide chasm between where

0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:15.000
<v Speaker 1>USC currently is and where the best of college football

0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:19.920
<v Speaker 1>is now. Maybe it's being closed because of Caleb Williams's ceiling.

0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 1>We know what Caleb Williams' floor looks like, and it's

0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:25.440
<v Speaker 1>not super attractive, but he was a freshman. It's fully

0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:29.720
<v Speaker 1>expected that you have those down moments. Sure, No, I

0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 1>think USC is going to be a good program, and

0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:37.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to need to see some things from an

0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Alex Grinch defense that like, we're getting further and further

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:45.560
<v Speaker 1>away from that one good season at Wazoo, and I'm

0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:48.480
<v Speaker 1>going to need to see what offensive and defensive line

0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:51.560
<v Speaker 1>recruiting looks like nationally or how well they go into

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:55.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know Arizona or Nevada or Texas or any

0:33:55.520 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 1>of these places, because I just don't see a lot

0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:00.600
<v Speaker 1>of it on the West Coast. I have to recruit

0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:04.000
<v Speaker 1>nationally on those levels, and USC I think we'll do

0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 1>all right on the defensive line on the West Coast.

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:10.799
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know. I still think that if they

0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:14.320
<v Speaker 1>were to play tomorrow against Utah on a neutral field,

0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:16.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why you would feel good about USC

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 1>right Like, they're not even the they're not the class

0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 1>of their own division now at the moment, at the moment,

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:26.880
<v Speaker 1>So I just I think it's almost unfair to Lincoln

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:29.520
<v Speaker 1>Riley and the players and the coaches on this USC,

0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:34.040
<v Speaker 1>in this USC program to put any sort of expectations

0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:36.800
<v Speaker 1>on them in year one. But such as the nature

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:40.560
<v Speaker 1>of the college football beast, it will happen. I should

0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:43.560
<v Speaker 1>point out the SPPLUS numbers just before we put a

0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:47.120
<v Speaker 1>bow on this thing here. USC eighty second in the

0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:51.040
<v Speaker 1>sp plus, almost the opposite of what we saw at Washington.

0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:54.880
<v Speaker 1>So they had firepower on offense. They weren't very consistent,

0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:59.640
<v Speaker 1>but forty fifth sp plus ranking on offense, one hundred

0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:03.440
<v Speaker 1>and six on defense. The defensive side of that is

0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:05.560
<v Speaker 1>I think what we're going to watch most closely. Of

0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:07.799
<v Speaker 1>course they're gonna be big names on offense, but the

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:10.360
<v Speaker 1>question is going to be, as he said, can Alex

0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Grinch find a way to get this defense playing better?

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:17.239
<v Speaker 1>He has done that in spots right. He has a

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 1>bit of a track record for improving defenses. But I think,

0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:22.680
<v Speaker 1>as we saw at Oklahoma, it's a matter of can

0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:23.319
<v Speaker 1>he sustain that.

0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 2>We saw the Oklahoma defense in the COVID year once

0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:30.680
<v Speaker 2>Ronie Perkins came, it was pretty exciting and interesting.

0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:32.640
<v Speaker 1>For sure, we'll see.

0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:34.000
<v Speaker 3>That's been the rub though for USC.

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:36.600
<v Speaker 1>The rub for USC has been and I remember, I

0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:38.640
<v Speaker 1>don't know if it was Bruce or if it was

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:42.600
<v Speaker 1>Andy or somebody wrote an article about one of those

0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:45.240
<v Speaker 1>deals where they go around and they talk to opposing coaches,

0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:47.520
<v Speaker 1>it was probably Bruce he does that a lot, yea.

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:50.640
<v Speaker 1>And what they flagged about USC was the fact that

0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Drake Jackson was the best player out there, and outside

0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:54.040
<v Speaker 1>of him.

0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:54.680
<v Speaker 3>A bunch of guys.

0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh the defense, the defense, yeah, yeah, on defense, and

0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:00.239
<v Speaker 1>outside of Drake Jackson, it was a bunch of guys

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:04.080
<v Speaker 1>who played pretty soft. And what's notable about that is now,

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:08.560
<v Speaker 1>looking forward at Drake Jackson's NFL scouting profile, everybody says

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:12.160
<v Speaker 1>he's very athletic, he's good, but he's soft. So if

0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:15.680
<v Speaker 1>the best player on an already soft defense, the NFL

0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:18.120
<v Speaker 1>is saying is soft, I don't know. It doesn't say

0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:20.160
<v Speaker 1>much about what the previous regime was doing on that

0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:21.360
<v Speaker 1>side of the football.

0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or what the culture of West Coast high school

0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:28.440
<v Speaker 2>football is. I don't know, but it's a different place

0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:31.720
<v Speaker 2>that is going to you know, I do not think

0:36:31.880 --> 0:36:35.640
<v Speaker 2>it is plug and play plug in a playoff coach

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:38.840
<v Speaker 2>who has developed these quarterbacks. I think it's going to

0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:41.200
<v Speaker 2>take a lot of work to get USC to be

0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:43.879
<v Speaker 2>a perennial ten to eleven win program. I think it's

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:48.960
<v Speaker 2>even in a downpack twelve. I think with Utah rising,

0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 2>no pun intended with Washington surely getting better whatever that means.

0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:58.880
<v Speaker 2>No idea what Oregon's going to be. The UCLA just

0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:01.359
<v Speaker 2>blew him out, so you have to consider UCLA at

0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:04.920
<v Speaker 2>least decent. Arizona is improving, Asus falling.

0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Off a cliff.

0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:07.560
<v Speaker 2>All apologies to Sun Devil fans. Hopefully it gets better

0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:10.480
<v Speaker 2>sooner rather than later. But I still think it's going

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:12.359
<v Speaker 2>to be tricky for US see and the good news

0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:15.360
<v Speaker 2>is though USC I don't believe and I keep saying

0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:16.960
<v Speaker 2>this when in reference to it, but I don't think

0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:19.439
<v Speaker 2>they have anybody tricky. I mean, they'll always have Notre Dame,

0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:22.040
<v Speaker 2>but they haven't scared. There's no Ohio State, there's no

0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:25.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, uh Alabama, there's no you know, one of

0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:27.520
<v Speaker 2>those types of teams in the non conference for one

0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:30.160
<v Speaker 2>of those headline early September games on any level.

0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:33.319
<v Speaker 1>In the next few years. The hours of content that

0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:36.560
<v Speaker 1>were created around Keile Williams maybe going somewhere other than USC.

0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:40.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah something, Perhaps we can do a retrospective one three

0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:45.280
<v Speaker 1>years from now, but Keyle Williams now firmly entrenched at USC.

0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:47.239
<v Speaker 1>That'll be interesting to see what he does it at

0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:49.399
<v Speaker 1>these spot. Okay, can I give you an over under

0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:51.480
<v Speaker 1>real quick. Yeah, please, just because I know this brings

0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:53.800
<v Speaker 1>out you are very kind and saying like, oh, people

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:56.440
<v Speaker 1>care so much about it. You were so positive about that.

0:37:56.640 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 1>In reference to Lincoln Riley and Oklahoma fans, if Lincoln

0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:06.280
<v Speaker 1>Riley in a season at USC wins eleven games, okay,

0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:09.080
<v Speaker 1>they go eleven and one and win the Pac twelve,

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 1>So they go twelve and one wherever that nets them

0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:13.239
<v Speaker 1>in the playoff, not in the playoff whatever, But he

0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:15.320
<v Speaker 1>goes eleven and one.

0:38:15.600 --> 0:38:17.080
<v Speaker 2>I'll keep it an over under of one and a

0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:22.399
<v Speaker 2>half under more seasons. I knew you, I ask said

0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:24.480
<v Speaker 2>by the way, I saw some of the conversation around

0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:28.160
<v Speaker 2>Lincoln Riley in the move to LA, where if he

0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:30.160
<v Speaker 2>does have NFL interest, it could just be from an

0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:34.200
<v Speaker 2>LA team. He doesn't have to uproot his family now

0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:37.240
<v Speaker 2>that they're in the southern California regia.

0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:37.879
<v Speaker 3>What's his name?

0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Brandon Staley keeps going forward on fourth downs. Maybe he'll

0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:43.080
<v Speaker 1>be out before long, who knows. Oh, I love Brandon Staley.

0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:45.320
<v Speaker 1>I hope he's there forever cause I love Justin Herbert.

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:47.120
<v Speaker 1>I hope that's a that's a match, don't heaven? But

0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:47.879
<v Speaker 1>it's you.

0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Know, if Sean McVeigh gets one hundred million dollars a

0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:52.960
<v Speaker 2>year to go to Fox or something, who knows crazy.

0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:55.880
<v Speaker 1>I'll say, all right, So of the teams that we

0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:58.120
<v Speaker 1>have left, they're all group of five teams.

0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:00.000
<v Speaker 3>Yes, all group of five teams.

0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:02.040
<v Speaker 1>So my hunch is that I'm not going to get

0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:04.759
<v Speaker 1>viny of these trivia questions, right, but I think you'll

0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:07.920
<v Speaker 1>be all right. We've got Bowling Green, Buffalo, Navy, Rice,

0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:14.680
<v Speaker 1>Texas State, and Louisiana Monroe, the vaunted Warhawks. Go ahead.

0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:18.879
<v Speaker 1>This team beat nobody of note, but they did give

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:22.600
<v Speaker 1>Coastal Carolina a scare, and for all that effort, their

0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:24.320
<v Speaker 1>starting quarterback was like, no, I'm leaving.

0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:30.800
<v Speaker 3>Is this Buffalo?

0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:31.800
<v Speaker 1>It is Buffalo.

0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:36.120
<v Speaker 2>It is the Bulls who It's an unfortunate situation. And

0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:38.920
<v Speaker 2>I just don't hold twenty twenty one against Mo Linguist

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:41.759
<v Speaker 2>at all because Lance Leipold leaves when he leaves in

0:39:41.760 --> 0:39:44.879
<v Speaker 2>the spring to take the Kansas job, and so he's

0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:47.840
<v Speaker 2>tasked with, you know, whatever he wants to do with

0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:49.799
<v Speaker 2>the staff or not with the staff, or has to

0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:51.880
<v Speaker 2>hold on to guys because the market isn't there to

0:39:51.880 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 2>build out the staff he wants, and you have players

0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:58.480
<v Speaker 2>leaving because of increased mobility, and just you got to

0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:00.840
<v Speaker 2>do a lot on the fly wh us into that position.

0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:03.759
<v Speaker 2>He of course took the job, a job on the

0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:05.799
<v Speaker 2>defensive staff at Michigan and then made the move to

0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:11.160
<v Speaker 2>Buffalo and they just weren't that good. They managed to

0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:13.440
<v Speaker 2>hold on to their starting running back. Who was promising.

0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:18.040
<v Speaker 2>That's Dylan McDuffie. I know it's a mcduffy who've already

0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:24.200
<v Speaker 2>used that last name once. The defense was a nightmare

0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:26.080
<v Speaker 2>in year one. He's already made a change there, so

0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:28.080
<v Speaker 2>kudos to him. He hires a young guy who was

0:40:29.000 --> 0:40:32.000
<v Speaker 2>like an analyst quality control assistant at Texas A and M,

0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:36.160
<v Speaker 2>who was a defensive coordinator defensive coordinator in high school

0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:39.759
<v Speaker 2>as recently as twenty seventeen. So hope he's a great

0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:41.759
<v Speaker 2>up and comer because Buffalo needs all the help on

0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:42.400
<v Speaker 2>that side.

0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:42.760
<v Speaker 3>Of the ball.

0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:46.280
<v Speaker 2>But no, it's an uphill battle. It's an uphill battle

0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:50.600
<v Speaker 2>for Buffalo, who has had some success under a couple

0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:55.800
<v Speaker 2>different guys as of late. And I don't know, we'll

0:40:55.800 --> 0:40:59.640
<v Speaker 2>see it's the mac. It's winnable.

0:41:00.360 --> 0:41:03.000
<v Speaker 1>The turnovers thing is interesting because that's something that will

0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:05.480
<v Speaker 1>just regress to the mean either way, because there's a

0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:08.640
<v Speaker 1>randomness to turnovers. So I thought they played with some

0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:12.959
<v Speaker 1>fight throughout the year. They just they lost a ton.

0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Like if you go to the twenty four to seven

0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:17.839
<v Speaker 1>transfer portal page and you just scroll through teams, there

0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:19.560
<v Speaker 1>are a few teams where on the bottom of the

0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:23.520
<v Speaker 1>page there's a handy little button that says load more,

0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:27.400
<v Speaker 1>and Buffalo was one of those load more teams, which

0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 1>is not the best. You don't want to be a

0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:31.680
<v Speaker 1>load more team. You do not want to be a

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 1>load more team. So Buffalo a lot of attrition there,

0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:37.320
<v Speaker 1>and again you understand that they Mo Linguist didn't recruit

0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:41.160
<v Speaker 1>these guys to Buffalo, and so it's you know it's

0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:43.240
<v Speaker 1>going to happen when you have a new coach, especially

0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:46.200
<v Speaker 1>given the timing of the hiring and of the change.

0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:50.720
<v Speaker 1>So hopefully they can build on the solid rushing numbers

0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:53.520
<v Speaker 1>in year one and get on more steady footing in

0:41:53.600 --> 0:42:01.040
<v Speaker 1>year two. Next team, Next team. This was the team

0:42:01.160 --> 0:42:04.200
<v Speaker 1>to me that made the move on one side of

0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:12.920
<v Speaker 1>the ball from shockingly inept to decently frisky. Shockingly inept

0:42:13.080 --> 0:42:14.400
<v Speaker 1>to decently frisky.

0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah or maybe not shockingly inept, clearly inept and an

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:22.240
<v Speaker 2>embarrassment to decently frisky in but a year.

0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Wow, you say Texas State Bowling Green. Okay, so Bowling

0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Green in twenty twenty, which again like the twenty twenty whatever,

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:39.400
<v Speaker 1>however large a grain assault you want to give it.

0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:46.480
<v Speaker 1>But Scott Leffler era started out atrociously, yeah, defensively in

0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:49.480
<v Speaker 1>year two and you remember they beat Minnesota, they have

0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:54.080
<v Speaker 1>a headline win. In year two, Bowling Green's defense was

0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:58.600
<v Speaker 1>full on decent, a full on frisky defense, especially especially

0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:02.360
<v Speaker 1>against the past and nice pass rush the DB's made plays.

0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:06.359
<v Speaker 1>The problem with Bowling Green was offense, and in the

0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:11.719
<v Speaker 1>MAC it seems like a correctible element because there's a

0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:13.640
<v Speaker 1>lot of speed to be had. Still we see a

0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:15.319
<v Speaker 1>year in and year out within the MAC a lot

0:43:15.360 --> 0:43:18.919
<v Speaker 1>of creative offensive minds and right now with Bowling Green,

0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:22.040
<v Speaker 1>and I would not lump Scott Leffler in that category.

0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:24.680
<v Speaker 3>Got one, just one.

0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:29.240
<v Speaker 2>T made the change at offensive coordinator, promoted from within,

0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:33.759
<v Speaker 2>and it seems like it could be an easier thing

0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:37.480
<v Speaker 2>to correct by giving more of that that the mind power,

0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:41.759
<v Speaker 2>the creativity elsewhere. If you've got the defense, if you're

0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:44.880
<v Speaker 2>able to make plays, especially against the pass in the MAC.

0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:49.719
<v Speaker 2>It seems promising to me. And so they lost a

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:52.520
<v Speaker 2>few players, like I think twelve out four guys come

0:43:52.560 --> 0:43:55.839
<v Speaker 2>in uh the schedule this year. I know they're at

0:43:55.920 --> 0:44:00.839
<v Speaker 2>UCLA and at Mississippi State, but again, they they've on

0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:03.320
<v Speaker 2>one side of the ball already, they've made that leap.

0:44:04.000 --> 0:44:07.479
<v Speaker 2>Who's to say in year three if Scott Leffler's hands

0:44:07.480 --> 0:44:11.880
<v Speaker 2>are not on the offense, they can't go from truly

0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:14.960
<v Speaker 2>horrific merely woeful.

0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one hundred and twenty fifth nationally. Yeah, on the.

0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:22.720
<v Speaker 2>Didn't score thirty points. They did not score thirty points

0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:23.920
<v Speaker 2>until Halloween.

0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:24.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a that's a rough watch if you're a

0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Bowling Green fan. Ninety sixth on a defense, excuse me, so,

0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:34.960
<v Speaker 1>cracking the top one hundred, one hundred and eleventh overall,

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:38.680
<v Speaker 1>three point nine second order wins, So pretty much right

0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:41.320
<v Speaker 1>on the money for a four and eight team. Highlight

0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:44.520
<v Speaker 1>of the season you mentioned it earlier. They beat Minnesota.

0:44:45.320 --> 0:44:48.560
<v Speaker 1>They beat Minnesota on the road fourteen to ten. The

0:44:48.600 --> 0:44:52.680
<v Speaker 1>rest of the season was kind of a nightmare mm hm,

0:44:52.719 --> 0:44:55.880
<v Speaker 1>but they'll have that. That was one of those games

0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:59.040
<v Speaker 1>with Minnesota specifically where we saw that and kind of

0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:02.960
<v Speaker 1>scratched our head. Weren't talking so much about Bowling Green

0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:05.800
<v Speaker 1>at that point, but Minnesota, man, what's going on here?

0:45:07.400 --> 0:45:10.160
<v Speaker 1>Defense played well enough in that game. Minnesota didn't necessarily

0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:14.080
<v Speaker 1>have a gangbusters offense either, but a nice win for

0:45:14.160 --> 0:45:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Scott lefto.

0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:15.439
<v Speaker 3>Or on the road.

0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:17.719
<v Speaker 1>One thing that I found interesting I mentioned this to

0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:21.280
<v Speaker 1>you as well. Scott Leftwer became the first college football

0:45:21.280 --> 0:45:25.040
<v Speaker 1>coach to be ejected in a game for having two

0:45:25.200 --> 0:45:30.600
<v Speaker 1>unsportsmanlike penalties called against him. Yeah, got the boot, Yeah,

0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:34.239
<v Speaker 1>that'll happen. For what it's worth, danalytics wise, this comes

0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:36.799
<v Speaker 1>up not from me, but they went from one hundred

0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:39.200
<v Speaker 1>and twenty seventh to eighty fourth in points per drive

0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:42.880
<v Speaker 1>allowed on defense and per sp plus. These are some

0:45:42.920 --> 0:45:46.200
<v Speaker 1>of the nineteenth in passing success rate defense nationally. They

0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:48.359
<v Speaker 1>gave up way too many big plays, which is why

0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:50.880
<v Speaker 1>they're still you know, there's a lot of room for

0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:55.080
<v Speaker 1>improvement on defense. Number three on passing downs success rate,

0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:58.120
<v Speaker 1>and so against the pass they were able to make plays.

0:45:58.160 --> 0:46:00.960
<v Speaker 1>They did get burned sometimes or a lot of times,

0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:04.680
<v Speaker 1>but the pressure rate was decent enough. Sixty eighth nationally.

0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:08.440
<v Speaker 1>The sack rate was twenty first nationally, especially on passing downs.

0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:10.279
<v Speaker 1>They were very good at getting to the quarterback. So

0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:14.080
<v Speaker 1>just building blocks you like to see as there are

0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Falcon fans who are looking to go from four and

0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:21.279
<v Speaker 1>eight to six and six. Yeah, and to I guess

0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:25.120
<v Speaker 1>underscore your optimism before we move on Bowling Green is

0:46:25.280 --> 0:46:29.680
<v Speaker 1>number one, number one, okay, across all of major college

0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:34.400
<v Speaker 1>football when it comes to returning production for twenty twenty two. Okay,

0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:37.520
<v Speaker 1>number one on offense pretty much the whole offense back

0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:44.799
<v Speaker 1>and number four on defense returning production. So take that

0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:45.719
<v Speaker 1>for whatever it's worth.

0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that that. The question is always like,

0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:50.840
<v Speaker 2>is it good that the returning production?

0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:52.040
<v Speaker 3>Is that? Absolutely?

0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:55.319
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, but you'd still rather have guys back in a

0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:59.440
<v Speaker 1>lot of cases not all right, And that's I think

0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:01.120
<v Speaker 1>a pretty good about to be. So we'll see what

0:47:01.120 --> 0:47:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Scott Lefler can do. If he can rectify that offense.

0:47:04.960 --> 0:47:09.839
<v Speaker 2>This team had their athletic director fire the offensive coordinator

0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:13.160
<v Speaker 2>after a particularly bad game, only to have the head

0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:18.480
<v Speaker 2>coach rehire set offensive coordinator in a demoted role. Also,

0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:23.120
<v Speaker 2>this team used to be awesome and now they're not.

0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:31.320
<v Speaker 1>I should know this, shouldn't I yeah, is this Navy.

0:47:31.719 --> 0:47:32.400
<v Speaker 1>This is Navy.

0:47:32.480 --> 0:47:34.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is Navy.

0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Navy.

0:47:35.120 --> 0:47:38.799
<v Speaker 2>Navy was awesome. They dominated the rivalry with Army for

0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:39.760
<v Speaker 2>a long time.

0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:40.600
<v Speaker 1>They were one of.

0:47:40.560 --> 0:47:44.239
<v Speaker 2>The hardest outs in college football because of the relatively

0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:48.200
<v Speaker 2>unorthodox style of their offense. But they seemed to have

0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:51.799
<v Speaker 2>the advantage of having a set system to recruit, to

0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:54.560
<v Speaker 2>to have a head coach who wanted to be there,

0:47:54.800 --> 0:47:58.080
<v Speaker 2>and you know, was a familiar face in winning college

0:47:58.080 --> 0:48:02.480
<v Speaker 2>football circles. And then something happened, and obviously it went

0:48:02.520 --> 0:48:04.759
<v Speaker 2>off the rails a little bit with Ivan Jasper, the

0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:08.800
<v Speaker 2>offensive coordinator, after the offense these past couple of years

0:48:08.960 --> 0:48:12.000
<v Speaker 2>has just fallen off a cliff and a lot of

0:48:12.000 --> 0:48:16.279
<v Speaker 2>frustrated people in Annapolis within the program and one of

0:48:16.280 --> 0:48:18.399
<v Speaker 2>those programs, along with I think one of the last

0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:21.920
<v Speaker 2>couple we're gonna mention, that's just in an unfortunate place

0:48:22.600 --> 0:48:25.960
<v Speaker 2>in the nil and transfer portal era where it's just

0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:30.840
<v Speaker 2>going to be more difficult to plug holes and losing

0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:33.360
<v Speaker 2>guys like it's just Navy's going to be a difficult

0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:37.000
<v Speaker 2>place to succeed, and the service academies in general, one

0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:40.279
<v Speaker 2>could argue it is, but also Army and Air Force

0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:44.400
<v Speaker 2>a thriving right now. So what's happening with Navy is

0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:49.080
<v Speaker 2>some combination of not building the program from a talent

0:48:49.120 --> 0:48:51.960
<v Speaker 2>perspective properly. I don't know if it's a ken Neo

0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Modololo who's flirted with other jobs, most notably Arizona a

0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:57.880
<v Speaker 2>few years ago, and didn't get that job because of

0:48:57.880 --> 0:49:03.439
<v Speaker 2>the stigma of the option that is Kenia Modelolo want

0:49:03.600 --> 0:49:08.000
<v Speaker 2>to be in Annapolis because I don't know if something turned,

0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:14.160
<v Speaker 2>but Navy is in especially on offense. Did I mean

0:49:14.200 --> 0:49:15.520
<v Speaker 2>you have the numbers in front of you. Was there

0:49:15.520 --> 0:49:18.520
<v Speaker 2>a worst offense in America than the midship men?

0:49:18.640 --> 0:49:18.759
<v Speaker 3>There?

0:49:18.840 --> 0:49:24.239
<v Speaker 1>There were, okay, but but only like fifteen of them? Okakay,

0:49:25.719 --> 0:49:28.920
<v Speaker 1>what I would say on the Navy side. That definitely

0:49:29.040 --> 0:49:32.080
<v Speaker 1>caused me to raise my eyebrows. What have we said

0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:35.399
<v Speaker 1>about Navy for years? It's always been about the offense, right.

0:49:35.480 --> 0:49:38.759
<v Speaker 1>The offense has been kind of the cornerstone of that

0:49:38.800 --> 0:49:43.040
<v Speaker 1>program under Kennia Montalolo. Whenever you've got a situation when

0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:46.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at these numbers after the fact, when the

0:49:46.440 --> 0:49:50.200
<v Speaker 1>offense was worse than the defense, something's wrong because that

0:49:50.320 --> 0:49:53.239
<v Speaker 1>was always the exact opposite for Navy, it's at least

0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:56.200
<v Speaker 1>been even in their good years where they were contending,

0:49:56.280 --> 0:49:58.560
<v Speaker 1>where they're taking teams like Notre Dame to the wire.

0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:01.600
<v Speaker 1>You never had a defense better than the offense neither

0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:04.040
<v Speaker 1>side of the ball, to be frank, was all that good.

0:50:04.200 --> 0:50:06.400
<v Speaker 1>They were four and eight team. But to be one

0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:10.160
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifteenth nationally on offense and seventy fifth on defense,

0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:11.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:50:11.480 --> 0:50:12.400
<v Speaker 3>That feels a little.

0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Bit off kilter to me. Three and a half second

0:50:15.239 --> 0:50:17.920
<v Speaker 1>order wins pretty much right on the number. Again for

0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:18.799
<v Speaker 1>a four and eight team.

0:50:19.360 --> 0:50:20.400
<v Speaker 3>What's notable to me?

0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:24.120
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned all that stuff about head coach Ken neamandlolo

0:50:26.080 --> 0:50:28.399
<v Speaker 1>first time in his tenure at Navy that he's had

0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:33.160
<v Speaker 1>back to back losing seasons. Yes, and you say whatever

0:50:33.239 --> 0:50:36.680
<v Speaker 1>you want, it's just Navy whatever, But this is a

0:50:36.680 --> 0:50:39.480
<v Speaker 1>guy who's been pretty successful for a good chunk of time.

0:50:39.520 --> 0:50:42.560
<v Speaker 1>What is it fourteen seasons now at Navy, whatever, it's

0:50:42.560 --> 0:50:45.120
<v Speaker 1>been to have back to back losing seasons, to look

0:50:45.160 --> 0:50:48.040
<v Speaker 1>as hapless as they did at times, they weren't even

0:50:48.040 --> 0:50:51.280
<v Speaker 1>in the conversation, Dan, they weren't even in the conversation

0:50:51.360 --> 0:50:53.200
<v Speaker 1>in a lot of these games. You know, We preview

0:50:54.239 --> 0:50:58.399
<v Speaker 1>games all year and typically we'll look at that Navy game.

0:50:58.520 --> 0:51:01.240
<v Speaker 1>We've talked about the body blow, like all these things

0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:05.080
<v Speaker 1>that have been woven into the fabric of our show. Yeah,

0:51:05.160 --> 0:51:07.440
<v Speaker 1>they weren't even a consideration this past season. They were

0:51:07.520 --> 0:51:09.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of a doormat and that sucks. I don't know

0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:10.680
<v Speaker 1>what's going on there.

0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:13.839
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if part of it. And to be fair,

0:51:14.080 --> 0:51:16.760
<v Speaker 2>Navy beat Army this year. They did upset their arrival,

0:51:17.200 --> 0:51:19.279
<v Speaker 2>but it's weird that it's now considered an upset and

0:51:19.360 --> 0:51:21.920
<v Speaker 2>no disrespect to Jeff Mounkin and how great of a

0:51:22.000 --> 0:51:26.600
<v Speaker 2>job he's done at Army. So they beat Army. They

0:51:26.640 --> 0:51:31.760
<v Speaker 2>beat Tulsa and UCF, which are both decently impressive wins

0:51:31.800 --> 0:51:34.480
<v Speaker 2>all things considered. So the Tulsa team that almost beat

0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:36.719
<v Speaker 2>Cincinnati and a UCF team it was early on and

0:51:36.760 --> 0:51:38.880
<v Speaker 2>dealing with their own injury issues, and you're one of

0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:42.360
<v Speaker 2>the Gus Miles on era, so like, those are impressive wins.

0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:45.719
<v Speaker 2>But seven points against Marshall, three points against air Force.

0:51:45.760 --> 0:51:49.040
<v Speaker 2>They don't crack twenty against Memphis in a loss. They

0:51:49.040 --> 0:51:52.080
<v Speaker 2>don't crack ten against Notre Dame, a team that they've

0:51:52.120 --> 0:51:54.640
<v Speaker 2>typically given fits. If not you know, they don't beat

0:51:54.640 --> 0:51:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Notre Dame all that often, but like they give Notre

0:51:57.040 --> 0:52:00.640
<v Speaker 2>Dame issues, which speaks to the job Kenny Motelone had

0:52:00.640 --> 0:52:03.920
<v Speaker 2>done there. The problem is, and this is what I wonder,

0:52:04.280 --> 0:52:07.440
<v Speaker 2>do you remember the old I'm almost positive with Steve Spurrier,

0:52:07.520 --> 0:52:09.520
<v Speaker 2>it was like college football coaches aren't meant to be

0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:12.319
<v Speaker 2>places for more than a decade, Like it's just too

0:52:12.440 --> 0:52:15.360
<v Speaker 2>difficult to be somewhere more than a decade for like

0:52:15.480 --> 0:52:19.360
<v Speaker 2>ninety nine percent of coaches and feel inspired, feel like

0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:22.239
<v Speaker 2>the juice of winning at that place. Sometimes you just

0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:24.840
<v Speaker 2>need to do something new. And I wonder if that

0:52:25.040 --> 0:52:27.520
<v Speaker 2>ten year mark for ken neamade lolo and it really

0:52:27.560 --> 0:52:30.120
<v Speaker 2>was jump started. I know there were obviously off field

0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:33.239
<v Speaker 2>stuff with COVID when they just got demolished by BYU

0:52:33.480 --> 0:52:35.359
<v Speaker 2>to start out the twenty twenty year when they ran

0:52:35.400 --> 0:52:37.560
<v Speaker 2>all over them. That's, you know, Zach Wilson, you know,

0:52:37.600 --> 0:52:40.799
<v Speaker 2>starting to really shine for the Cougars. But I don't

0:52:40.840 --> 0:52:43.399
<v Speaker 2>know if there's just something about that place, is it's

0:52:43.400 --> 0:52:46.560
<v Speaker 2>such a different place than most of the you know,

0:52:46.560 --> 0:52:48.680
<v Speaker 2>they're in a major conference now or a pseudo major

0:52:48.719 --> 0:52:52.319
<v Speaker 2>conference in the American that man it's just sometimes you

0:52:52.440 --> 0:52:55.720
<v Speaker 2>just need a reboot tie, just like all of our routers.

0:52:56.120 --> 0:52:58.520
<v Speaker 2>And I wonder if that's true for Navy and kenyam.

0:52:58.200 --> 0:53:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Up, pull out the power cord weight ten seconds, plug

0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:05.319
<v Speaker 1>it back in. Yeah, all right, we've got three teams left.

0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:09.880
<v Speaker 1>We've got Rice, We've got Texas State, We've got the

0:53:10.040 --> 0:53:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Louisiana Monroe vaunted Warhawks. I don't know why this next

0:53:14.520 --> 0:53:17.600
<v Speaker 1>team exists as an FBS team. I have no clue.

0:53:17.680 --> 0:53:18.240
<v Speaker 3>This is Rice.

0:53:18.920 --> 0:53:24.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is Rice, who one winning coach in the

0:53:24.200 --> 0:53:28.360
<v Speaker 2>past like one hundred years over the course of his career,

0:53:28.400 --> 0:53:30.640
<v Speaker 2>and zero if you take away Todd Graham, who was

0:53:30.640 --> 0:53:32.800
<v Speaker 2>only there for a year in two thousand and six. Yeah,

0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:37.240
<v Speaker 2>everybody loses at Rice. It is like the ninth most

0:53:37.320 --> 0:53:40.560
<v Speaker 2>popular team in their own region. Like by region, I

0:53:40.560 --> 0:53:44.240
<v Speaker 2>mean like the very the Houston area, the vaguely Houston area.

0:53:44.280 --> 0:53:46.959
<v Speaker 2>I know College Station is not necessarily the Houston area,

0:53:46.960 --> 0:53:48.440
<v Speaker 2>but it's you know, an hour and a half, two hours,

0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:52.359
<v Speaker 2>whatever it is. I'm almost positive I got that geography wrong.

0:53:53.000 --> 0:53:58.200
<v Speaker 2>But why does Rice exist? Rice is an incredible academic

0:53:58.239 --> 0:54:03.280
<v Speaker 2>institution in a very much football happy part of the universe,

0:54:04.239 --> 0:54:07.640
<v Speaker 2>and they never win. There is no desire. Like for

0:54:07.719 --> 0:54:09.400
<v Speaker 2>some of these schools, you're like, wow, we were good

0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:11.680
<v Speaker 2>in the eighties and you've got all the money saying

0:54:11.719 --> 0:54:12.479
<v Speaker 2>let's get good again.

0:54:12.480 --> 0:54:16.239
<v Speaker 1>That was so fun. They've never been good. This has

0:54:16.320 --> 0:54:19.680
<v Speaker 1>never been a good program. Right, nobody cares about Rice

0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:23.319
<v Speaker 1>football at all. This is Mike Bloomgren comes in from

0:54:23.600 --> 0:54:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Stanford New Marcus Tuyasa Sopo's the offensive coordinator. Like there's

0:54:28.440 --> 0:54:31.920
<v Speaker 1>decent enough coaching talent there. There's not a program that

0:54:32.120 --> 0:54:38.240
<v Speaker 1>has any designs of becoming a serious program about getting

0:54:38.239 --> 0:54:42.279
<v Speaker 1>to bowl games. Like it should not exist, Like this

0:54:42.400 --> 0:54:45.840
<v Speaker 1>is an example of somebody collecting a check for not

0:54:46.120 --> 0:54:51.719
<v Speaker 1>contributing all due respect to whoever is listening. That's a

0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Rice fan, all point four of you. But I don't

0:54:55.640 --> 0:54:58.759
<v Speaker 1>know man, Like it was just another disappointing year. They

0:54:59.480 --> 0:55:01.879
<v Speaker 1>beat you a right, Like they had that random, really

0:55:02.000 --> 0:55:06.760
<v Speaker 1>nice performance where they just think they strung together drives,

0:55:06.760 --> 0:55:08.719
<v Speaker 1>they ran the ball decently enough. They actually passed it

0:55:08.719 --> 0:55:13.000
<v Speaker 1>really well in that game. But other than that, it's

0:55:13.040 --> 0:55:17.120
<v Speaker 1>an unseerious program about Like, I know they've they spent

0:55:17.160 --> 0:55:18.960
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of money hiring these guys, but they

0:55:19.000 --> 0:55:21.520
<v Speaker 1>finished the year, losing four or five. They do. They

0:55:21.520 --> 0:55:23.319
<v Speaker 1>go on a go out on a high note, beating

0:55:23.320 --> 0:55:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Louisiana Tech, but I don't know. They're scoring twenty plus,

0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:33.000
<v Speaker 1>but they lose forty five nothing to UTSA has you know,

0:55:33.040 --> 0:55:38.000
<v Speaker 1>their own like, you know, beautiful season, but Man lose

0:55:38.000 --> 0:55:39.840
<v Speaker 1>to an FCS team in Texas Southern.

0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:41.359
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:55:41.640 --> 0:55:46.120
<v Speaker 1>I've wondered this for quite some time, and perhaps somebody

0:55:46.120 --> 0:55:48.160
<v Speaker 1>can come on this show, somebody brighter than you and I,

0:55:48.840 --> 0:55:51.359
<v Speaker 1>you can explain the economics of it, of which there

0:55:51.360 --> 0:55:54.960
<v Speaker 1>are many, of which there are most to be frank, Yeah,

0:55:55.320 --> 0:55:59.600
<v Speaker 1>there must be some sort of financial reason to keep

0:55:59.680 --> 0:56:01.640
<v Speaker 1>your standing among FBS.

0:56:03.040 --> 0:56:05.319
<v Speaker 3>There must sense. There has to be. I don't know.

0:56:05.400 --> 0:56:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's playing some of these non conference games. The

0:56:07.920 --> 0:56:11.480
<v Speaker 1>payout helps fund other aspects of the athletic program. Rice

0:56:11.560 --> 0:56:13.880
<v Speaker 1>is a good baseball team. Rice has other good programs

0:56:13.880 --> 0:56:17.760
<v Speaker 1>that sure great, are nationally recognized, but yeah, the football

0:56:17.800 --> 0:56:19.520
<v Speaker 1>team is not one of them at this point in time.

0:56:20.640 --> 0:56:20.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:56:20.880 --> 0:56:23.279
<v Speaker 2>If I were a student at Rice, if I were

0:56:23.320 --> 0:56:26.840
<v Speaker 2>anybody a faculty member at Rice and all this money

0:56:26.920 --> 0:56:30.960
<v Speaker 2>was going to football, I would kind of be like, why,

0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:32.319
<v Speaker 2>what is the point of this?

0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:34.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all right.

0:56:35.080 --> 0:56:43.759
<v Speaker 1>Two other teams, Texas State and Louisiana Monroe, the vaunted Warhawks. Man,

0:56:43.880 --> 0:56:45.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't know one of these teams lost to an

0:56:45.880 --> 0:56:50.120
<v Speaker 1>FCS team and made no coaching changes after going four

0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:52.200
<v Speaker 1>and eight with a bad defense that couldn't get off

0:56:52.280 --> 0:56:53.120
<v Speaker 1>the field.

0:56:54.000 --> 0:56:55.000
<v Speaker 3>This is Texas State.

0:56:55.440 --> 0:57:00.759
<v Speaker 1>It is Texas State. Whose defensive coordinator is the coaches brother.

0:57:01.760 --> 0:57:02.239
<v Speaker 3>That's right.

0:57:02.280 --> 0:57:04.040
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know.

0:57:04.120 --> 0:57:07.520
<v Speaker 2>Jake spabottall has that, you know, offensive reputation, quarterback reputation.

0:57:07.600 --> 0:57:08.560
<v Speaker 2>He's a hole go guy.

0:57:11.520 --> 0:57:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Their quarterback just decided to transfer, Brady McBride. It's just

0:57:15.480 --> 0:57:18.560
<v Speaker 1>the Bobcats are in a position now where, like I

0:57:18.560 --> 0:57:21.080
<v Speaker 1>guess their ceiling is, hey, we can score forty a

0:57:21.120 --> 0:57:24.120
<v Speaker 1>game and sometimes we keep teams to thirty nine or fewer.

0:57:24.800 --> 0:57:26.640
<v Speaker 1>But otherwise Texas State's.

0:57:26.280 --> 0:57:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Been you know, they went from what three to nine

0:57:27.800 --> 0:57:29.800
<v Speaker 2>to four and eight, So technically they are, yes, heading

0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:32.560
<v Speaker 2>in the right direction. There's some promise on the offensive line,

0:57:33.160 --> 0:57:35.680
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know if you're looking long term at

0:57:35.720 --> 0:57:39.560
<v Speaker 2>Texas State. As like the path to a bowl. They

0:57:39.560 --> 0:57:42.240
<v Speaker 2>get by a bad Butch Davis Arkansas State team, they

0:57:42.280 --> 0:57:45.040
<v Speaker 2>beat Monroe. Who's the final team on this list. You know,

0:57:45.240 --> 0:57:48.880
<v Speaker 2>sneak by South Alabama beat a bad FIU team, like

0:57:48.920 --> 0:57:50.920
<v Speaker 2>they beat some of the bad teams they were supposed

0:57:50.920 --> 0:57:53.560
<v Speaker 2>to beat. Yeah, but like they give up sixty to

0:57:53.600 --> 0:57:57.240
<v Speaker 2>Eastern Michigan, Like they's just I don't know, they're just

0:57:57.640 --> 0:58:00.000
<v Speaker 2>it's almost like to start the game, just assume they're

0:58:00.080 --> 0:58:04.400
<v Speaker 2>going to give up thirty five points. And I don't

0:58:04.400 --> 0:58:06.840
<v Speaker 2>know if this is headed in a meaningfully good direction.

0:58:08.320 --> 0:58:10.480
<v Speaker 1>You know what a bobcat is? Have you ever seen

0:58:10.480 --> 0:58:16.600
<v Speaker 1>an actual bobcat? Probably probably in a zoo somewhere. Bobcats

0:58:16.600 --> 0:58:20.520
<v Speaker 1>are prevalent. They're bobcats around here. Okay, bobcats are a

0:58:20.640 --> 0:58:25.760
<v Speaker 1>very underrated mascot slash nickname for my money, because you've

0:58:25.760 --> 0:58:29.400
<v Speaker 1>got the added benefit of not just the cool animal,

0:58:29.440 --> 0:58:33.640
<v Speaker 1>which is looks like a mini cheetah, mini tiger with

0:58:33.800 --> 0:58:36.040
<v Speaker 1>the extra tuffs coming out the ear, a little bit

0:58:36.040 --> 0:58:39.880
<v Speaker 1>bigger than a house cat. Yep, You've also got the

0:58:39.920 --> 0:58:44.520
<v Speaker 1>added benefit, the added layer of the really cool machine

0:58:44.840 --> 0:58:48.480
<v Speaker 1>bobcats that you might have in a bat layard. You're

0:58:48.480 --> 0:58:51.920
<v Speaker 1>you're getting some renovations done. You got a digger, they

0:58:51.920 --> 0:58:54.320
<v Speaker 1>got all sorts of bobcats. Bobcat not a sponsor. Could

0:58:54.320 --> 0:59:00.440
<v Speaker 1>be sure Bobcat a very underrated mascot for my money. Okay,

0:59:00.960 --> 0:59:03.600
<v Speaker 1>I'd known next to nothing about bobcats. Maybe it'll come

0:59:03.680 --> 0:59:06.000
<v Speaker 1>up on extra nuggets. Oh my gosh, bobcats. I'm going

0:59:06.080 --> 0:59:07.680
<v Speaker 1>to send you the Wikipedia.

0:59:07.160 --> 0:59:07.680
<v Speaker 3>Go through this.

0:59:08.160 --> 0:59:09.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm on it right now.

0:59:09.160 --> 0:59:11.640
<v Speaker 3>Are you looking at this? Look at these guys. Look

0:59:11.680 --> 0:59:12.280
<v Speaker 3>at these guys.

0:59:12.400 --> 0:59:14.840
<v Speaker 1>What disrespect to Texas State where we're just talking about

0:59:15.000 --> 0:59:19.520
<v Speaker 1>tufts and there are red lynx. Right, that's what a

0:59:19.520 --> 0:59:26.120
<v Speaker 1>bobcat is. Uh yeah, sure, it's not going to it's

0:59:26.160 --> 0:59:29.040
<v Speaker 1>not going to eat you won't eat me. But it

0:59:29.080 --> 0:59:32.640
<v Speaker 1>does eat all sorts of different things, like different sizes

0:59:33.200 --> 0:59:35.240
<v Speaker 1>kind of. It's adapted itself to the point where it

0:59:35.240 --> 0:59:36.600
<v Speaker 1>can live pretty much anywhere.

0:59:37.600 --> 0:59:40.680
<v Speaker 3>It's a cool, cool cat. Literally.

0:59:40.680 --> 0:59:43.560
<v Speaker 2>Birds up to the size of an adult trumpeter swan

0:59:43.720 --> 0:59:47.560
<v Speaker 2>are also taken in ambushes while nesting along with their

0:59:47.600 --> 0:59:48.840
<v Speaker 2>fledglings and eggs.

0:59:48.920 --> 0:59:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Bobcats don't care.

0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:50.520
<v Speaker 3>They don't care.

0:59:50.560 --> 0:59:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Man like honey batch trumpeter swan. It's a big, not

0:59:53.800 --> 0:59:56.440
<v Speaker 1>a small animal. It's a big freaking swan. I've seen them.

0:59:56.440 --> 0:59:57.000
<v Speaker 3>You're huge.

0:59:58.800 --> 1:00:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, cat information, there you go, all right, Final team here,

1:00:03.920 --> 1:00:06.200
<v Speaker 1>we don't need to do the question. The final team

1:00:06.400 --> 1:00:09.000
<v Speaker 1>is Luisiana Monroe, correct, the Warhawks.

1:00:09.280 --> 1:00:10.680
<v Speaker 3>The Warhawks, Yeah.

1:00:10.400 --> 1:00:17.040
<v Speaker 1>They are, I guess trying to improve after year one

1:00:17.120 --> 1:00:20.040
<v Speaker 1>under Terry Terry Bowden took me over that program.

1:00:20.360 --> 1:00:20.840
<v Speaker 3>Last year.

1:00:20.840 --> 1:00:23.040
<v Speaker 1>It was not a good team. They just they weren't good.

1:00:23.120 --> 1:00:27.480
<v Speaker 1>They were two point six on the second order win scale,

1:00:27.560 --> 1:00:30.040
<v Speaker 1>which means they were a four win team that probably

1:00:30.080 --> 1:00:32.640
<v Speaker 1>got a little bit lucky to get to four wins.

1:00:32.920 --> 1:00:35.480
<v Speaker 1>One hundred and twenty fourth nationally in terms of the

1:00:35.560 --> 1:00:39.080
<v Speaker 1>sp plus one twenty seven on offense, which is just

1:00:39.200 --> 1:00:40.320
<v Speaker 1>impossibly bad.

1:00:41.400 --> 1:00:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Impossibly especially given who their offensive coordinator was very briefly, Yeah,

1:00:47.200 --> 1:00:48.400
<v Speaker 2>impossibly bad.

1:00:48.800 --> 1:00:51.680
<v Speaker 1>One hundred and twenty seventh and then on defense one

1:00:51.760 --> 1:00:53.760
<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirteenth isn't really going to do the offense

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<v Speaker 1>any favors. So a lot of room for improvement here

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<v Speaker 1>under Terry Bowden. Will see if he can do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Terry Bowden, you know, Terry Bowden is at Auburn for

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<v Speaker 1>period of time he's been around, you would assume that

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<v Speaker 1>he can at least get that program up from where

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<v Speaker 1>it's been. Not saying they're gonna win nine games a year.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would expect some degree.

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<v Speaker 3>Of improvement in the next year or so.

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<v Speaker 1>So rehire They rehire an offensive coordinator mc kubick Kubic

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<v Speaker 1>from Southern miss who had a good degree of success

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<v Speaker 1>for the Warhawks. Rich Rod goes over to Jacksonville State

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<v Speaker 1>now as the head coach there. Yeah, if they did

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<v Speaker 1>anything decently well last year, it was run the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>It was at best decent. Yeah, defense was a nightmare.

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<v Speaker 2>I what's interesting is Terry Bowden is Terry Bowden's the

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<v Speaker 2>best modern coach or best Akron coach ever.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, they got rid of him right until we

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<v Speaker 3>love for.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever reason, we love him as he Monroe has been

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<v Speaker 2>interesting in the last whatever it is, decade, decade and

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<v Speaker 2>a half. It's in an area of country where you

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<v Speaker 2>can find talent, where you can scoop up transfer talents

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<v Speaker 2>from bigger conferences.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, man, Well, look I don't know. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me put it to you this way and then we'll

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<v Speaker 1>move on. Yeah. I guess this is our last team.

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<v Speaker 1>We can end the shelf if we want. Yeah, Monroe's

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot coming back on offense. Okay, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>coming back on offense. So at a minimum, the impossibly

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<v Speaker 1>bad offense one hundred and twenty seventh nationally. Should improve,

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<v Speaker 1>it should improve, has to improve defensively could be another story.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a lot on defense.

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<v Speaker 1>So best case scenario, we're talking about a half team

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<v Speaker 1>of sorts. I don't think they're going to improve much

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<v Speaker 1>on the defensive side of the football, but as a

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<v Speaker 1>four and eight team, there's always room to go up.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll see what he can do. See what he

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<v Speaker 1>can do.

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<v Speaker 2>Louisiana. Monroe finishes with the worst recruiting class per average

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<v Speaker 2>recruit ranking, and I think in general the worst recruiting

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<v Speaker 2>class in the Sun Belts, and just above them is

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<v Speaker 2>Texas State. Great so three three star recruits from Monroe,

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<v Speaker 2>two for Texas State. Texas State's average recruit rank a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit higher, but a ways to go for uh

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<v Speaker 2>for Monroe, it's not looking super positive in the short term,

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<v Speaker 2>but you never know. All you need is six, All

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<v Speaker 2>you need is six.

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<v Speaker 3>All right? That does it.

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<v Speaker 1>For four and eight teams, yes, make sure you join

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<v Speaker 1>us next month as we push into the first week

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<v Speaker 1>of May. For five and seven teams, yes, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more five and seven teams that we can talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have the list in front of you. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in the process. I'm stalling.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, are you really I have the list?

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<v Speaker 1>You're ready?

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<v Speaker 3>What's the list?

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<v Speaker 1>Florida State, Syracuse, Texas, TCU, Illinois, FAU, Charlotte, San Jose State,

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<v Speaker 1>You're California, Golden Bears, Troy Trojans, and South Alabama. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>go five and seven. Some interesting teams in there, Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>We've still got to talk through what we're doing for

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<v Speaker 1>our off topic show in the month of April, but

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<v Speaker 1>we can get there. Talk to me about your summer plans.

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<v Speaker 2>I need this kind of positive, warm thinking in the

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<v Speaker 2>still gray Midwest, because you're talking about July and the

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<v Speaker 2>excitement and the rubber meeting the road, Like, yeah, do

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<v Speaker 2>you have a vacation plan? Are you thinking you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the beach more or to a lake more,

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<v Speaker 2>or revise some boat goals, or revise wardrobe or like

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<v Speaker 2>you told me earlier, like you're rethinking your lawn care strategy.

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<v Speaker 2>Like talk to me about summer thoughts. It's never too early.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, I mean, first off, you know I want

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<v Speaker 1>to get on the pickleball train. Yes, I do. You

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<v Speaker 1>know I want to try this. I'm a little spoop

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<v Speaker 1>by the fact that I've got some friends of mine

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<v Speaker 1>whose parents live in a retirement village, and they said

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<v Speaker 1>that once you get into pickleball, you sort of can't

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<v Speaker 1>get out. It's sort of a it's a lifestyle of sorts.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not I'm not looking to modify my current lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I got it, I got it pretty good. But

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<v Speaker 1>pickle ball, I think is something I'd like to attempt.

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely would like to play more golf because as

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<v Speaker 1>we were planning out for the summer, like quite literally

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<v Speaker 1>this time last year, I didn't know I was leaving

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<v Speaker 1>my job, right, And I worked all the way up

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<v Speaker 1>until the point where you and I were killing it

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<v Speaker 1>on the research front, and I didn't really have much

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<v Speaker 1>time to get out and play golf. Right. So now

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<v Speaker 1>this year, with the benefit of a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>off season time, at least the first half of summer,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hoping to get out there and hit the links

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<v Speaker 1>more so. That's the top billing for me, to say

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<v Speaker 1>the least. Yeah, the lawn care thing. Rethinking the strategy

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. Also trying to figure out if there

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<v Speaker 1>are any other odds and ends I want to add

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<v Speaker 1>in the backyard. Still early days for that level. You

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<v Speaker 1>began your fire pit season. We did start the fire

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<v Speaker 1>pit season. Yeah, I sent you picked its huge.

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<v Speaker 3>We started that. We had a nice day on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 3>Was able to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's now rained the last five days or however many

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<v Speaker 1>days it's Saturday. Yep, it's rained pretty much NonStop since.

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<v Speaker 1>But at least we had that one day. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you happy with your summer wardrobe?

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<v Speaker 3>No? No, I'm not right.

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<v Speaker 2>What are we more breatheable fabrics, shorter shorts, new sandals.

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<v Speaker 2>What's on the agenda.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I think I need to take a

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<v Speaker 1>trip over to to some of the stores in the

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<v Speaker 1>area and figure out what the plan is going to be. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited for this branding the summer wardrobe.

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<v Speaker 3>No, not a rebrand.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not I'm ready for. It is a refresh

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<v Speaker 1>some pineapple print. Pineapple print is my thing. You have

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<v Speaker 1>an en sam adjustment here. No, you can go from

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<v Speaker 1>like nine to sevens now, I think mostly the same size.

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<v Speaker 1>But just I need to figure out how to upgrade

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<v Speaker 1>or how to refresh some of what I've had for

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<v Speaker 1>years now. I don't like clothes shopping. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how you feel about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I hate it.

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<v Speaker 1>I do most of it online, if not all of

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<v Speaker 1>it online, So it's not that bad. I don't mind

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<v Speaker 1>doing it online. I'm just saying, I just, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like spending the money. Okay, I hate it. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think of adding to your backyard?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe shed?

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked about the shed before, right, Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Just storage storage?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, storage storage would be good. Probably due for refresh

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<v Speaker 1>on some of the patio furniture as well. We've had

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<v Speaker 1>that for a while. Okay, so we'll see. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>any new grilling goals or I mean summer star tails.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe to start to grill up more than twice a

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<v Speaker 1>summer would be a goal. You only grill twice in

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<v Speaker 1>a summer.

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<v Speaker 3>I've only grilled twice in the last two summers.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, No, get some burgers, gets piece of fish,

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, there's so much there. I know, I know, veggies.

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked about this.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't feel good about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't feel good about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But are you h you know what I've seen in

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of backyards here, because it's kind of needed

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<v Speaker 2>for some people. I suppose have you ever seen backyards saunas?

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<v Speaker 2>Back to those giants, the giant barrels that people can build.

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<v Speaker 2>You can build it like a free standing So that's

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<v Speaker 2>why when you said, Shad, I was wondering where you're

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<v Speaker 2>going with it. It's like a giant looking barrel contraption

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<v Speaker 2>that's like a much more personal individual or maybe two

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<v Speaker 2>person size sauna. Obviously you don't need that every summer.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're talking about like.

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<v Speaker 1>The little standing pedestals with the they look like big,

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<v Speaker 1>big toadstools that have the fire coming out the top. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about a sauna that you go in like

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<v Speaker 1>to steam yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, that's different. I know I've never seen those.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I've seen those. I'm just thinking what you

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<v Speaker 2>could add unique to your backyard. Final question, final question.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, I think pickleball is a no brainer

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<v Speaker 2>for you. And we've already talked about your and my

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<v Speaker 2>plans at the same time to add more strength training. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if you demonstrably improve one part of your golf game

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<v Speaker 2>this summer, what will make you happiest.

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely my second shots, okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Your more approaches, your your mid irons. Okay. The best

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<v Speaker 1>part of my game, and this is I think topical

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<v Speaker 1>now with the Masters taking place this weekend. Yeah, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be playing next year and we'll see how it goes.

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<v Speaker 1>But the best part of my game is a driver.

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<v Speaker 1>I crush the driver and I'm accurate with the driver,

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<v Speaker 1>which is weird because I never used to be. But

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<v Speaker 1>something happened maybe after my shoulder thing, and I crush it.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice little baby draw right down the middle. Mm hm.

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<v Speaker 3>After that.

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<v Speaker 1>Short games, very good, really good. I've got an imagination

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<v Speaker 1>around the greenstand.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, very strong there.

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<v Speaker 1>Putting is so so nobody's a good putter.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know anybody who knows a good putter, And

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<v Speaker 1>chances are if they're a good putter, they stink at

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<v Speaker 1>everything else. They're a nightmare elsewhere. Yeah. Yeah, so nobody's

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<v Speaker 1>good at putting. That just kind of is assumed. Where

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<v Speaker 1>I really struggle, though, is when I'm crushing the driver,

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<v Speaker 1>I split the fairway. I've got, you know, one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and thirty yards in nothing in my way. I get

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<v Speaker 1>the yips. I overthink it. Mm hmmm hmm. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not missing by much, but I'm missing enough that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not putting myself in a position to score. Which iron

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<v Speaker 1>is your white whale? I just don't have a handle on.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the wish you could, you could improve your

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<v Speaker 1>seven or you're six or you're eight. No, I you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the long irons are tougher for most people. Yeah, there

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<v Speaker 1>is more that can go wrong. It's a longer club, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, if I could get a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more consistent with say a four iron, okay, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that would help. But basically it's it's just that situation

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to a specific club.

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<v Speaker 3>In the bag.

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<v Speaker 1>I just overthink it a heck, you know me, you've

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<v Speaker 1>met You've known me for a long time. It's true.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a head case and I overthink things, and I

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<v Speaker 1>overthink that all the time. So inevitably what happens to

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<v Speaker 1>me is I get thirteen holes in and then I explode.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll have a good roundwork and for thirteen holes and

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<v Speaker 1>then it's just the bottom falls out. How how is

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<v Speaker 1>the breathe ability of your golfing summer apparel? I've got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of dry fit Okay, good, I had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of drive fix. I do like to hear that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, that's all. I have productive discussion as ever

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<v Speaker 3>Dan. Next episode we'll talk about your summer plans. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I promise I would love to. Oh my god, I

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<v Speaker 3>will jot that down as we said earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>will be back next week. Everybody. Enjoy the Masters if

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<v Speaker 1>that's your cup of tea. Otherwise, enjoy spring football. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk to y'all on Tuesday. In the meantime, stay solid, peace,