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Speaker 1: Late fifteen to ten touched up.

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Speaker 2: What's up, guys, we are back another episode of Chargers Weekly,

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Speaker 2: presented by splittero here at the NFL Scouting Combine with

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Speaker 2: the voice of the Chargers, Matt Muddy Smith and what

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Speaker 2: are you another great pod here in India.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think yesterday we set the scene kind

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Speaker 3: of wide in a little bit with some of our

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Speaker 3: thoughts that what the Chargers might be looking at moving forward.

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Speaker 3: And from here on out, you're gonna get a pod

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Speaker 3: every day with some outside perspectives. So you know, between

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Speaker 3: now and Friday, probably three a day, maybe two a day,

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Speaker 3: if not four a day. It's it's going to be

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Speaker 3: really busy with some people that have dug deep into

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Speaker 3: this draft into free agency, some of our closest friends.

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Speaker 3: And it's going to be a real treat for the

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Speaker 3: folks that are watching and listening and not have to

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Speaker 3: hear my stupid voice and get the broke the bulk

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Speaker 3: of these pods from some experts.

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Speaker 2: Well, we love your stupid voice, buddy. The preamble will

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Speaker 2: be long. Now we're gonna get into Bruce Feldman, one

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Speaker 2: of our favorites from Fox and the Athletic. But first

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Speaker 2: Matt Harmon of reception perception, Well, Monday, the chain is out,

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Speaker 2: Shane is out on a Wednesday morning.

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Speaker 1: Jane out. No one can incline bench more than this man.

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Speaker 2: And that's why we have them on. Our good friend,

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Speaker 2: Matt Harmon, that's why you have me on that talk

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Speaker 2: about inclined bench man, reception, perception fame.

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Speaker 4: Just to be clear, I actually do not care for

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Speaker 4: the incline bench.

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Speaker 1: Well why not.

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Speaker 4: I prefer the flat bench. I just I prefer a.

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Speaker 1: Little bit more work on your back and your you know.

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Speaker 5: And I've got a bad shoulder, so that that is

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Speaker 5: pretty problematic too. Yeah, I've just always found the flat

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Speaker 5: bench to be What about thet It is good listen,

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Speaker 5: it's good for you. Got to get the undercut man,

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Speaker 5: that's all part of it. But no, Yeah, I'm glad

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Speaker 5: you guys had me on to talk about incline bench

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Speaker 5: wearing chain out as a you know, mediocre guy in

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Speaker 5: my in my thirties, Like, yeah, that's what we can

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Speaker 5: talk about.

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Speaker 1: Your your Tuesday night style antics. You want to get

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Speaker 1: that if you don't want to get into that.

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Speaker 5: No, As like I said, I was a good I

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Speaker 5: was a good boy. Yeah, I was a good boy.

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Speaker 5: I stuck to tequila sotas. You know you're thirty percent

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Speaker 5: forty percent hydrating. See there's Nate tights. He knows I'm talking.

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Speaker 1: Oh jeez, lit a crew.

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Speaker 2: Uh Matt, The lead here has been Mike McDaniel. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: in Los Angeles. Your thoughts on that move and just

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Speaker 2: what it means for some of the current wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: That we have here with the La charge.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I told you guys, I had a nug here's yeah,

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Speaker 5: data right out the gate, baby. I came up with

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Speaker 5: a little blend of a statu essentially when Nate and

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Speaker 5: I were actually doing our coaches show on the Ayahoo

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Speaker 5: Fantasy Forecast, looking at like play caller changes what to expect,

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Speaker 5: and obviously the Chargers are one of a big interest there. Essentially,

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Speaker 5: it's called, like I a super named static score, like

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Speaker 5: how static or not static does your offense feel? The

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Speaker 5: score is essentially a blend of your rate of plays

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Speaker 5: and heavy personnel packages so two tight ends, multiple running

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Speaker 5: backs and or sort of there, your play action rate,

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Speaker 5: your rate of motion at or pre snap in terms

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Speaker 5: of your drop back pass game. And then you're under

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Speaker 5: center or you're under center snaps. So essentially, it's good

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Speaker 5: to play in multiple personnel packages. It's good to get

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Speaker 5: under center, good to have play action, good to have motion.

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Speaker 5: That doesn't mean that the opposite is bad. And again

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Speaker 5: this is like my subjective way of liking, you know,

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Speaker 5: modern offenses. Essentially, the Chargers last year were twenty six

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Speaker 5: in the stats. Sounds about right, and the Miami Dolphins

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Speaker 5: last year were eighth. So yeah, they have the biggest

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Speaker 5: jump actually from their play caller and offensive coordinator last

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Speaker 5: year to what they're gonna get this year in terms

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Speaker 5: think we're gonna see a pretty pretty stark change in

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Speaker 5: the offense. I think there's going to be some connective tissues,

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Speaker 5: some similar DNA. They're gonna want to be built out

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Speaker 5: of a run game. I think the run game actually

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Speaker 5: probably might fit Hampton a little bit better than last year's.

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Speaker 5: Might more gap heavy attack. And I think the one

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Speaker 5: thing that will be interesting to watch for the receivers

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Speaker 5: is just again, how many eleven personnel plays are here?

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Speaker 5: Are we going to be built out of three receivers

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Speaker 5: once again, or are we going to get something more

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Speaker 5: of like the two tight ends that we saw a

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Speaker 3: So with what he was doing in Miami, when you've

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Speaker 3: got Jalen Waddle and you've got Tyreek Hill and Darren Waller,

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Speaker 3: just this incredible h and that's incredible athleticism all over

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Speaker 3: the place. You know, when he did his pressor he said,

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Speaker 3: it's not what I need, So I just I see

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Speaker 3: what I got and I feel good about it. What

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Speaker 3: do you see with that wide receiver room as it

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Speaker 3: stands now? Assuming Keenan Allen's not coming back? Q Trey Harris,

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Speaker 3: obviously Ladd is the number one, and then maybe a

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Speaker 3: is a Rendez Gainst and it sort of what do

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Speaker 3: you make of the weapons that he has to work

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I love that by Mike McDaniel, And he had a

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Speaker 5: quote at some point during his Miami tenure where he

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Speaker 5: was essentially saying, if you think like you're taking all

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Speaker 5: the credit as a play caller, that's just delusional, Like

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Speaker 5: this is about the players. And I really like that

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Speaker 5: from a coach. You know, it's built, it built, around

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Speaker 5: what you have. Like we do this all the time

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Speaker 5: when play callers change teams, it's a well, who's going

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Speaker 5: to be in the insert this player role? And usually

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Speaker 5: that doesn't exist. It exists because that player is on

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Speaker 5: the roster. It's not like bilt into the playbook. And

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Speaker 5: I think that that's good to talk about with these

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Speaker 5: Dolphins had. I think Lad McConkie should thrive in this scheme,

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Speaker 5: you know, just being able to move around, be it,

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Speaker 5: like I said, motion at the snap and to be

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Speaker 5: on some of those bigger, outbreaking routes. To me, that's

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Speaker 5: where he's at his best in the intermediate area. I

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Speaker 5: just think this offense, with how much more condensed it

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Speaker 5: to see more of those wide open windows for him.

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Speaker 5: And he's a guy who just creates so much space.

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Speaker 5: I was talking to him actually at the Super Bowl

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Speaker 5: a couple weeks ago. Lad mcconakie and Keenan Allen together.

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Speaker 5: By the way, I think those guys would like Keenan

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Speaker 5: Allen to be back, which just interested to kind of

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Speaker 5: he learned about coming into the league was just how

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Speaker 5: much faster those zone coverage windows close. And I think

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Speaker 5: that's something even though the stats were down last year,

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Speaker 5: you actually saw him get better and better at that

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Speaker 2: There's been a lot of discussion as to whether this

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Speaker 1: One.

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Speaker 2: We believe lat mcconaukay is a surefire wide receiver one.

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Speaker 2: What is the expert thing?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, me too. I think he can be.

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Speaker 5: And like everybody says, it's like, oh, it'd be great

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Speaker 5: to have a Jamar Chase easier said than done. Yeah, like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: that would be a lot of money for the right guys. Well,

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Speaker 5: you know, obviously it didn't work out. In terms of

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Speaker 5: Brandon Bean saying this. Anytime he says anything about wide

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Speaker 5: thing where it's like, oh, you got to lose a

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Speaker 5: lot of games to get a player like that, He's

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Speaker 5: not wrong though, that is that is that is true.

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Speaker 5: To pick top five in the draft, you gotta lose

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Speaker 5: a lot of games. I don't think this team is

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Speaker 5: bad enough to be ever picking that high, especially with

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Speaker 5: Justin Herbert there and just kind of what they've built.

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Speaker 5: But overall, I think that, yeah, lat mccaukeey can be

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Speaker 5: can stay healthy. One hundred and twenty, one hundred and

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Speaker 5: thirty type of targets to and he'll be very efficient

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Speaker 5: on those targets because he separates because he's explosive with

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Speaker 4: And then the other guys in the room too.

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Speaker 5: I think they have a pretty good collection of players

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Speaker 5: that can play multiple different roles. You mentioned KeAndre Lambert Smith.

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Speaker 5: I would love to see more of him in year two.

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Speaker 5: He was a player that to me stood out as

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Speaker 5: a prospect as a vertical receiver can really stretch the

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Speaker 5: role last year actually kind of surprised me because I

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Speaker 5: thought he'd be more of just that pure x receiver

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Speaker 5: miss and I thought that he might take that role

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Speaker 5: not really what happened. Like they kind of they liked

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Speaker 5: Trey Harris as a blocker. Yeah, I did too, Like

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Speaker 5: it consistently stood out. So he's a guy that I

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Speaker 5: think will be valuable in this scheme to play multiple

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Speaker 5: got experience playing Z slot X, like moving all around,

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Speaker 5: I think he's somebody that can have a nice year

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Speaker 5: as well. Yeah, I was talking, we were talking about

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Speaker 5: it a couple of weeks ago. I don't know why

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Speaker 5: it came up, but something came up about Trey and

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Speaker 5: I said, you know, just shove the production aside. I

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Speaker 5: think if you asked around the league, a bunch of

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Speaker 5: his value be if somehow he were to go on

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Speaker 5: the market. Just to try to illustrate my point, and

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Speaker 5: I mean, you're at least getting your second round back

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Speaker 5: and more, I think you're probably getting multiple Day two picks.

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Speaker 5: I think someone might give you a back end of

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Speaker 5: a one just based on what you saw, even with

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Speaker 5: the limited production kind of can you still envision a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like a good starting receiver in the league. I

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Speaker 5: I profiled him for the Rookie Report mid season in

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Speaker 5: reception perception. Like you said, throw the production aside. That's

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Speaker 5: what rp's all about, like just isolating the player as

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Speaker 5: an individual. Again, I thought you saw really some nice

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Speaker 5: moments against man coverage, both downfield and in the short area.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, just a player I'd like to see more of.

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Speaker 5: And I think that that year one experience I always

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Speaker 5: kind of like when I expect a guy to have

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Speaker 5: a role, Like I said, that sort of static X

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Speaker 5: receiver role is what I imagined he would kind of be doing,

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Speaker 5: and he got to do much more of that. I

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Speaker 5: think that's really valuable in year two and year three,

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Speaker 5: especially coming into this offense where he's going to have

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Speaker 5: to play multiple positions. I mean, if you're going to

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Speaker 3: Keenan's converting a few more of them, but third and

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Speaker 5: Allows awesome the preseason. He was awesome in the preseason,

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Speaker 1: That would not be good for us.

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Speaker 5: what I'm That's what I'm here to do, thank you.

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Speaker 5: I think if I'm the Chiefs, Like, no way am

436
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Speaker 5: I taking a running back in the top ten?

437
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Speaker 1: Really?

438
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and listen, I think love is awesome. But you

439
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Speaker 5: remember a couple of years ago when the Falcons took

440
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Speaker 5: Michael Pennox at eighth overall and they were like, well,

441
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Speaker 5: we have to take this quarterback. We're never going to

442
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Speaker 5: be pick of its height. It's like, yo, you're the Falcons,

443
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Speaker 5: like you'll be back here. But for a team like

444
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Speaker 5: Kansas City, they're not actually going to be back in

445
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Speaker 5: the top ten most likely going forward. And I just

446
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Speaker 5: think it's a rare opportunity for them to take a

447
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Speaker 5: premium position that high, whether it is on defense, whether

448
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Speaker 5: it's on defense, or whether it's a guy like Carnel Tate,

449
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Speaker 5: who I just said, you could fit all thirty two

450
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Speaker 5: NFL offenses. And their receivers are just like such a

451
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Speaker 5: Mickey Mouse room.

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Speaker 1: They're terrible draft wide receiver.

453
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Speaker 5: They have a type that they like and they hammer

454
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Speaker 5: it over and over again, and it's just like it's

455
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Speaker 5: not working. Like, get a real deal wide receiver that

456
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Speaker 5: can run a vertical route tree, that can line up

457
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Speaker 5: on the line of scrimmage and beat press coverage, Like

458
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Speaker 5: just one that would be great. They never do it

459
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Speaker 5: essentially like what DeAndre Hopkins should have been for them,

460
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Speaker 5: but in the prime of his career rather than at

461
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Speaker 5: the end of his career. So if I'm Kansas City,

462
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Speaker 5: I'm fingers crossed that that guy's there at nine. Probably

463
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Speaker 5: not gonna happen, but either way, I'd look for a

464
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Speaker 5: more premium position there.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you, like, well, the Commanders take

466
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Speaker 2: Jeremiah Love because I'm in the same boat as Money.

467
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Speaker 2: I don't want to see him in the AFC West

468
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Speaker 2: by any means.

469
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Speaker 5: Sure, it's funny when you just go through the league,

470
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Speaker 5: like there's not that many spots where we screaming need

471
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Speaker 5: for running back. I do think the Commanders, though, that's

472
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Speaker 5: an interesting one, and I think from an offensive standpoint,

473
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Speaker 5: I'm really fascted to see what they become because David

474
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Speaker 5: blau is one of like many of these guys that

475
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Speaker 5: is a fast riser this offseason. You know a guy

476
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Speaker 5: that was in the league like two years ago. Right

477
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Speaker 5: now he's gone from assistant quarterback coach all the way

478
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Speaker 5: up to offensive coordinator as replacing Cliff Kingsbury. But I

479
00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,800
Speaker 5: think they might be more like of an under center.

480
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Speaker 5: We're taking shots over the middle of the field team

481
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Speaker 5: than what you usually see with Cliff Kingsbury. But it

482
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Speaker 5: makes that a lot easier if you have a good running.

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Speaker 2: Game, Harmy, can I ask you, because it seems like

484
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Speaker 2: around the league there are multiple teams taking a leap

485
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Speaker 2: of faith at the offensive coordinator position, guys who have

486
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Speaker 2: never called plays before. Yeah, the fact that the Charges

487
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Speaker 2: get an approven play caller in Mike McDaniel. Just what

488
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Speaker 2: do you make of just the league right now and

489
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Speaker 2: where it's going, and just the kind of the gambles

490
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Speaker 2: that I think teams are taking on play callers.

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Speaker 5: I think you're seeing those gambles because like we've kind

492
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Speaker 5: of plucked the Shanahan tree clean, you know, the McVeigh.

493
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Speaker 5: It's just like anybody that's attached to that obviously, it's like, okay, well,

494
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Speaker 5: how do we get that guy in the building. A

495
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Speaker 5: lot of those guys have gotten head coaching jobs and

496
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Speaker 5: head coaching slash play caller jobs or what have you.

497
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Speaker 5: And also, again we're getting deep in the barrel there.

498
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Speaker 5: But I think now that we've seen like Ben Johnson's

499
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Speaker 5: tree start to expand, Sean Payton's tree start to expand.

500
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Speaker 5: I mean, James Cohen I did an episode a couple

501
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Speaker 5: of weeks ago in reception perception, We're like, you could

502
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Speaker 5: probably tie about seventy seventy five percent of the league,

503
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Speaker 5: like either to Shanahan McVeagh or Sean Payton, because a

504
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Speaker 5: lot of these guys, like Ben Johnson, they calm off

505
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Speaker 5: that tree as well. So that's why you're seeing some

506
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Speaker 5: of these guys that have had either playing or coaching,

507
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Speaker 5: because that's thing like we're talking about with David Wow

508
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Speaker 5: he was as a coach under Cliff Kingsbury these last

509
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Speaker 5: two years, but as a player and kind of that

510
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Speaker 5: backup quarterback to coach pipeline, as we've seen now with

511
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Speaker 5: Davis Webb in Denver, Sean Manyon in Philadelphia, Like those

512
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Speaker 5: guys kind of they're like they're they're on the roster,

513
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Speaker 5: but they're they're already sort of on the coaching line.

514
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Speaker 5: There those guys that had experience in that Ben Johnson

515
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Speaker 5: sort of world. Or for Davis Webbs, we've been with

516
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Speaker 5: Sean Payton like more that under center, big heavy attacking

517
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Speaker 5: run game that then also does try to weaponize the

518
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Speaker 5: middle of the field with some of these bigger receivers.

519
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Speaker 5: We're seeing a lot of that that. Like, we're just

520
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Speaker 5: trying to find new creative places. But that's gonna be

521
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Speaker 5: a lot of young guys, right Like Decklan Doyle's twenty

522
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Speaker 5: nine years old. I mean, these guys are like way

523
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Speaker 5: younger than me. Now, what happened? Yeah, I know, I

524
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Speaker 5: know that's the answer there, But the other answer is

525
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Speaker 5: that we're trying to go under different rocks to find

526
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Speaker 5: these play callers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's uh, he's the best. His chains out.

528
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Speaker 3: He's got to go get a quick lunch time set in, dude.

529
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Speaker 5: Way behind on the protein intake today, behind Liza.

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Speaker 3: He's got to go get some weight gain and some

531
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Speaker 3: fair Life strawberry milk to get everything squared away. Never

532
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Speaker 3: strawberry only, chocolate only chocolate fair Life. It's reception, perception

533
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Speaker 3: and Yahoo. And by the way, I'm just I'm kind

534
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Speaker 3: of throwing you off because I want to get you

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Speaker 3: off before Nate gets off with the Colts, to be like, man,

536
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Speaker 3: they really kept you for a long time over there, Nate. Yeah,

537
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Speaker 3: and shut up this one and kind of gets you

538
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Speaker 3: off of the respect is really appreciated. Thank you, guys.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Thanks brother.

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Speaker 2: Bruce Feldman joins us here on Chargers Weekly, presented by

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Speaker 2: Splittero and Bruce feel like we just did this with

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Speaker 2: you in Indy a year ago.

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Speaker 1: So what's your week looking like here?

553
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Speaker 7: It's good because it's a lot of lunches or coffees

554
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,719
Speaker 7: or whatever with position coaches or guys I know who

555
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 7: are in the league. It's great because I don't get

556
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Speaker 7: to see most of the people, and this is the

557
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Speaker 7: one time of year and so it's like there's not

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Speaker 7: enough hours in the day. I think I'm here for

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Speaker 7: four days and you just sit there and go, Okay,

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Speaker 7: how can I find a way to connect with as

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Speaker 7: many people as possible, right, And so that.

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Speaker 1: Part's been really good.

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Speaker 7: And you know, for me, like I'm seeing the college

564
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Speaker 7: football players all year round and or not all year around,

565
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Speaker 7: but what it feels like that And so now it's

566
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Speaker 7: like the culmination or close to the culmination of that.

567
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Speaker 7: And it's just interesting to hear other people's opinions on

568
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Speaker 7: what these guys are once they get to them. Also,

569
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Speaker 7: you'll end up hearing a little bit of like some

570
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 7: less than flattering stuff about certain guys who are like, oh, Okay,

571
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Speaker 7: I didn't know that that happened, but now I do

572
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 7: know that happened, and you kind of like maybe you know,

573
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Speaker 7: fleshes out the opinion you had of maybe that player

574
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Speaker 7: and maybe there's some of their coaches.

575
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: In your pod with Ralph when you had Dana on,

577
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Speaker 3: it was a super interesting conversation about how to decide

578
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Speaker 3: what to share when to share. People are going to

579
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Speaker 3: find out do they hold it against you for not sharing?

580
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Speaker 3: But you don't want to ruin this kid's draft stuck.

581
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Speaker 3: It is a pretty delicate thing to figure out character

582
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Speaker 3: sort of stuff and how to report it.

583
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Speaker 7: It is and like I had breakfast with somebody here,

584
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Speaker 7: and it was somebody I one of the people I

585
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Speaker 7: talked to, like, I'll do a couple of bigger pieces

586
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Speaker 7: of content for the athletic coming off of in the

587
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Speaker 7: run up to the draft. One will be like a

588
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Speaker 7: mock draft. It's really just about this is what the

589
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Speaker 7: coaches who face these players think of them. It's my

590
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Speaker 7: mock draft is less probably less informed than most of

591
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Speaker 7: the mock drafts in terms of like who's gonna go where, Sure,

592
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Speaker 7: but what I feel like it's bringing is like, oh,

593
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Speaker 7: it's a perspective of the guys who scouted them and

594
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Speaker 7: then went head to head with them and then you know,

595
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Speaker 7: saw it on film and knew what they were trying

596
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Speaker 7: to do to them. The other one is this confidential

597
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Speaker 7: where it's like a lot of the coaches I know

598
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Speaker 7: in the NFL, I'll talk to them about what they think.

599
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 7: And so I had breakfast with this guy and he

600
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Speaker 7: said we were talking about James.

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Speaker 1: He brought up.

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Speaker 7: James Pierce Junior from the Falcons and he was like, man,

603
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Speaker 7: I could have told you, I said, you actually did,

604
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Speaker 7: but we didn't. We like it was a very vague

605
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Speaker 7: character comment where he was off some teams boards, and

606
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Speaker 7: you know, when he played last year he was very productive,

607
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Speaker 7: but obviously that imploded there and a lot of people

608
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Speaker 7: knew that there were big character issues. It's just how

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Speaker 7: do you publicly discuss it? You know, we could have

610
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Speaker 7: a conversation offline about what we're hearing or what we know,

611
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Speaker 7: but it's like putting it out there for all the

612
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Speaker 7: reasons we talked about is delicate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this draft class. Every draft class is different.

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Speaker 2: What are the characteristics of this draft class?

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Speaker 1: In your mind?

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Speaker 7: It is I feel like this is a little more

617
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Speaker 7: underwhelming draft than we've had in the last few years.

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Speaker 7: I don't I think there's some good d lineman. I

619
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Speaker 7: think we'll see how Mendoza does, but there's like a

620
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Speaker 7: big drop up between him. I do like Jeremiah Love,

621
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Speaker 7: but after that, there's like it feels like it's not

622
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Speaker 7: a deep group of running backs either. And I'm not

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Speaker 7: like I hate that. I'm gonna say it like this.

624
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Speaker 7: I'm not that fired up about a lot of the

625
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 7: receivers either. I'm like, oh, people think that. I was like,

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Speaker 7: I don't think that guy is gonna be like like

627
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Speaker 7: an all world NFL receiver. Like the guy who's coming

628
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Speaker 7: out of Ohio Saint next year. He's that guy.

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Speaker 1: I feel like there's a big number one pick potential, yes, and.

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Speaker 7: I feel like there's a big drop off between these

631
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Speaker 7: guys and that guy. Now, there's some good like I

632
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 7: think they'll be good second round picks at receiver, but

633
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Speaker 7: I'm not like fired. I think there's some good linemen

634
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 7: in this draft on both sides of the ball. I

635
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 7: think there's probably three linebackers. Like it's at the top end.

636
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 7: There's better linebackers in this draft than we probably hadn't

637
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Speaker 7: a while. You know, there's a two guy from Ohio State.

638
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 7: Certainly there's three. I think there's three good ones. And

639
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 7: the secondary I think is fine. But it's just like

640
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 7: a lot not a lot of juice in this draft.

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Speaker 3: You work for Fox, you do obviously a lot of

642
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 3: big ten stuff. So we were talking about center. Obviously

643
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 3: Bozman retires, it hadn't really gone well with him anyway,

644
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 3: and we kind of said, like, there's just no way

645
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 3: they can go into the draft without a center, Like,

646
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Speaker 3: you can't do that. Teams are gonna know you need

647
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 3: a draft one. They're gonna jump ahead of you to

648
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 3: get their guy in every single round, So you've got

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00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 3: to be careful there. So I'm operating under the assumption

650
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 3: that the George, he's gonna find someone. Maybe he'll be

651
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 3: able to scratch out a check for Linderbaum or McGovern

652
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 3: or something like that. Maybe it won't, maybe it'll be

653
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 3: someone under that. But there's a couple I started watching centers,

654
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 3: and you know, Pat Cougan obviously gets a lot of

655
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 3: attention at Indiana. But the guy that just jumped out

656
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 3: at me was Logan Jones. So and he was and

657
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 3: then I saw I was on his freak on the

658
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 3: Freaks List, And I'll have a story on Thursday.

659
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 7: What'll be like, here are the guys we're really trying

660
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 7: to keep an eye on who should light up the combine.

661
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 7: Logan Jones from iowall be high on there. He He's

662
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 7: different than Lindebaum in this regard. Lindabaum was like a

663
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 7: was a really good wrestler, like a bunch of guys

664
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 7: out of Iowa have been. Logan Jones was a basketball player.

665
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 7: I think he told me first dunk to basketball when

666
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 7: he was in the ninth grade, which considering he's only

667
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 7: like six to one at the time and he's probably

668
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 7: not six one hundred and sixty five pounds. You know,

669
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 7: he's still a guy who played line. Speaks to the athleticism.

670
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 7: He owns most of the Iowa line vertical record, I

671
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 7: want to say Shuttle record. I mean he just a

672
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 7: lot of this stuff is almost off the charts, and

673
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 7: Iowa over delivers when it comes to that position. Anyway,

674
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 7: I think he's a really really good football player. I'm

675
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 7: not surprised that that was the I was like, I

676
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 7: wonder who he's in and I was like, yeah, that

677
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 7: would that would be the one.

678
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 3: It's just that athleticism and the Mike McDaniel offense. I'm like,

679
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 3: that's and I don't think it's uh don't I mean

680
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 3: maybe even high day three right, like a fourth round?

681
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, guy, guy like that's and he's not. He's

682
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 7: he's undersized. The other one who's undersized who's really really

683
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 7: good that I would keep an eye on is Parker Brailsford.

684
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 7: He's a West Coast kid. He's original from Arizona. Was

685
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 7: on the team that at Washington played for the national

686
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 7: title a couple of years ago. They went to Alabama.

687
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 7: Like he can really move. I don't know what he

688
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 7: was when he came into Washington, maybe two seventy to

689
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 7: sixty five. He's probably around two ninety. He's super strong

690
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 7: in the weight room, he's really athletic. I think those

691
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 7: are the two best centers. And I will say this

692
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 7: like Aaron Brewer, who was at Texas State, not a

693
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 7: big school, was super undersized and he might be the

694
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 7: best center in the NFL right now.

695
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: So he was undrafted, right. Yeah.

696
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 7: It's funny, Like I remember talking like because I knew

697
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 7: the guy who coached him in college, so he was

698
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 7: always like kind of a kind of a pet peeve,

699
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 7: question where and what he's become. And then I was

700
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 7: talking about him this week to somebody and he was like,

701
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 7: you know that guy I think is the best center

702
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 7: in the NFL right now. And I was like, that's

703
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 7: crazy because he was like two hundred and sixty eight pounds, right,

704
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 7: But I think that speaks to that specific position and

705
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 7: he's got a lot of really elite traits around it,

706
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 7: which I think both of the Logan Jones athleticism as

707
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 7: well as Brailsford both have that.

708
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: Bruce no secret that the Chargers season was derailed by

709
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: the injuries to Rashawn and Joe All And I remember

710
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: after year one, coach Harball told us he's, like, I

711
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: think Joel is already gold jacket material. He made the

712
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl in six games this year. What was your

713
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: opinion of him coming out? And I know it was high,

714
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: but did you were you surprised by kind of how

715
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: quickly it.

716
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 7: Clicked for him, maybe in retrospect, just because we watched

717
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 7: Will Campbell, you know, not look like he was ready

718
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 7: for the moment, right, No, obviously it's different to be

719
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 7: in a Super Bowl than that, but like Joel was

720
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 7: like a felt like a slam dunk pick, just because

721
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 7: the athleticism, the size of length, he played in a

722
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 7: program that really develops alignment. Not shocked that he's a

723
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 7: cornerstone guy. I mean, and I don't doubt where Harbaugh

724
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,239
Speaker 7: is coming from with the like, if he stays on

725
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:17,719
Speaker 7: this path, you know, he's gonna be one of those guys,

726
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 7: whether it's you know, a different version and he's bigger

727
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 7: than Joe Thomas. But like you know where you say, oh,

728
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 7: I could totally see that, right, yeah, I mean, living

729
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 7: in southern California and not far from the Bolt, it

730
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 7: was like, man, the old line just kind of got

731
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 7: detonated by injuries. And I don't know how anybody, especially

732
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 7: if that's like a team's strength and now all of

733
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 7: a sudden you're trying to cobble it together. It's just

734
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 7: like almost a no win situation. I'm like, yeah, once

735
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,719
Speaker 7: that happened, I was like, it's your playing for next year.

736
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: I feel like yeah. And he still won a living games.

737
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 7: I know, honestly, it's a credit to Harbaugh as a

738
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 7: coach and a lot of the players they did have.

739
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 7: But still, I mean, like that guy, I mean, that

740
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 7: guy will probably go to.

741
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: Like twelve Pro Bowls.

742
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 3: The uh the Freaks list was like it was fun,

743
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 3: and I guess it kind of speaks to what kind

744
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 3: of players I like, because I'm kind of getting into

745
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 3: and I'm not really looking at first and second rounders.

746
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 3: I'm I'm of the opinion that based on kind of

747
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 3: what they need material line, defensive tackle, safety, maybe trap

748
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 3: for one of those tight end they only have one

749
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,719
Speaker 3: on the roster. Really, I assume they're going to move

750
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: on from dis Leap based on how often he was

751
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 3: inactive last year. And I see Marlon Klein and I

752
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 3: saw I called the Notre Dame Stanford game last year.

753
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 3: So I got to see Sam Rausch and I'm like, okay,

754
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 3: these are kind of our back end, third fourth round

755
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 3: sort of tight ends. And then I see Stours on

756
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: the freak list. Yeah, so it's like there's a there's

757
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 3: a it's a pretty good tight end class this year.

758
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

759
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 7: I don't know. Quietly, Stours will be interesting because he

760
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 7: is not like a traditional in line tight end. But

761
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 7: he's a super explosive athlete. But he's maybe two hundred

762
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 7: and thirty five pounds, you know, so, but he could

763
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 7: be a problem for it depends how you use him.

764
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 7: There's a bunch of good athletes in this There's a

765
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 7: kid out of Wyoming who will test great. I think

766
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 7: he's a better athlete than football player. But he's a

767
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 7: guy who could, you know, vertical jump forty inches and

768
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 7: was a was a pretty good player, but not a

769
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 7: great player. And I think you start to go through

770
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 7: these lists where there's guys with some traits. I'm not

771
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 7: sure if they're complete tight ends. Marlon Klein is a

772
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 7: really interesting player. He is originally from Germany. He'll test

773
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 7: really well. He's a big kid who will block and

774
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 7: I think he's a little more of a project, but

775
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 7: he started to come on. Last year was the first

776
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 7: year he really kind of broke through because he was

777
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 7: behind Colston Lovelin. Yeah, and Colton Lovelan is just a

778
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 7: really athletic kid. He obviously tests well, but I think

779
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 7: he's probably a smoother athlete than Marlin Klin. But Marlin

780
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 7: Klein's bigger than Marlon Klein probably tests as well. At

781
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 7: least that's what the Michigan coach has told me. I

782
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 7: could see the slot fit in terms of like when

783
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 7: when they're looking him, and obviously the connection with Jim,

784
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 7: the connection with Ben Herbert, you know, the old strength

785
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 7: coach who knows what he's about as bad as well

786
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 7: as anybody. Like, that's an interesting pairing. I hadn't thought

787
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 7: of it until you brought it up, but like, I

788
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 7: could totally see.

789
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: That, Bruce.

790
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 2: We had Daniel Jeremiah here yesterday and he's talking about

791
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: number twenty two overall where the Chargers selected, how it's

792
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: kind of like no man's land because you don't really

793
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: know who's going to be there. You only have five,

794
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 2: maybe six picks, So it could be an advantageous position

795
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: to draft in the second round. And kind of trade back,

796
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 2: but he had Kenyon Sadik mocked to the Chargers, and

797
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 2: you know, it maybe feels like a luxury pick, but like,

798
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 2: could you envision Mike McDaniel using that extra piece and

799
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 2: how fun would that would be?

800
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would think Mike McDaniel would love it. I

801
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 7: don't know if Jim would love it as much, but

802
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 7: it feels like if Mike McDaniel has to say, I mean,

803
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 7: he's arguably the most you know, freakiest guy in this

804
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 7: in this draft, I mean like kind of like Colston

805
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 7: Lovely's from Idaho. It's not like a hotbed of but

806
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 7: there is some some football talent there. He was I

807
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 7: think two hundred twenty pounds when he got to Oregon.

808
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 7: When they told me in the offseason when he vertical

809
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 7: jumped almost forty two inches, he was two hundred and

810
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 7: fifty five pounds. Now, I don't think he'll be as

811
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 7: heavy here, but he'll be an elite tester. He's a

812
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 7: matchup nightmare. There's a little consistency issues, yeah, but you

813
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 7: just think about what kind of weapon he could be

814
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 7: for justin I think, you know, anywhere after twenty I

815
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 7: feel like it's like Oh, that's I'm surprised he felt

816
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 7: to that, just because in terms of athleticism, he is

817
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 7: he is elite, elite, and I don't I don't know,

818
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 7: Like there's a bunch of guys in here. I'm like, eh,

819
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 7: I could see this guy being good, but I could

820
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 7: see this guy being kind of underwhelming. Like if he

821
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 7: continues to work, he's he is such a difference maker

822
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 7: in terms of the athleticism, you know, where you see

823
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 7: like when Derwin James came into the NFL, there was

824
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 7: like a wow factor, and I feel like there's a

825
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 7: wow factor with him now. He's not he's not six

826
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 7: to six. He's a shorter tight end. He's more on

827
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 7: the same size as Brock Bowers. And I think Brock

828
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 7: Bauers is a better football player. This guy is probably

829
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 7: a more explosive athlete, right, And like you said, the

830
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 7: drops were just a bit of an issue. Yeah, again,

831
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 7: just kind of doing the big ten thing. And you

832
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 7: go through to guard. You know your number one guard

833
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 7: is is Penn State Joni Vega. Yeah, and then you

834
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 7: know again you go to Iowa and you've got the

835
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 7: star of the combine and Jennings Dunker because of his

836
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 7: shorts and his half shirt and his hair, so kind

837
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 7: of give us an idea of the guard market. Yeah,

838
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 7: the other one from Iowa Bo Stevens, Like, if you

839
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 7: talk to their the Iowa O line coach, he thinks

840
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 7: he is going to be a like a guy who's

841
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 7: gonna have an awesome NFL career, Like he really kept

842
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 7: getting better and better. And I think a little bit

843
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 7: he's probably undervalued because Jennings Dunker has a little bit

844
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 7: of cultiro vibe to him, right, you know, I think

845
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 7: he at some point one like that hay Bale toss

846
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 7: where they throw I don't you know, over like a

847
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 7: you know, eighteen feet wall or something. They've been doing

848
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 7: it in somewhere in Iowa for years.

849
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: You know.

850
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 7: I don't know if he's more suited at guard than tackle,

851
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 7: but obviously he played some tackle. But yeah, he definitely

852
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 7: had the kind of cultiro vibe coming out of Mobile.

853
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 7: He's a really good player. And I think the other

854
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 7: guy is just more meat and potatoes, just a really

855
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 7: really solid you know, probably will be like a starter

856
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 7: for ten years in the NFL. Like I feel like

857
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 7: you almost can't go wrong with an Iowa offensive lineman.

858
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 3: I'm the same way man just a Penn State athlete

859
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: in an Iowa offensive lineman.

860
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know Bruce the Edge group, Keldrick Falk. He's

861
00:37:58,520 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: he's a young guy.

862
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 7: He is young. He was played at twenty. Was a

863
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 7: big recruit for Auburn. He's big. He's six he's six seven,

864
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 7: two hundred eighty pounds plus. He's really strong. He had

865
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 7: a I mean to be totally blown. He had an

866
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 7: underwhelming season last year. Auburn was kind of falling apart.

867
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 7: I will say this because I've already met with a

868
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 7: bunch of D line coaches here. He's interviewed really well.

869
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 7: People like him. How he's come across That's not always

870
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 7: the case with in some of those meetings. I'm curious

871
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 7: how we'll test he has. I did have him on

872
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 7: the Freaks List in the summer. I don't know if

873
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 7: he's going to come here and be the guy who

874
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 7: everyone's like raving about what he does. But the vibe

875
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 7: I'm getting so far as people really like him and

876
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 7: just think because he's a big, huge, imposing guy who

877
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 7: has still a lot of room to grow. But he

878
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 7: came in I think really mature mentally, and that's at

879
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 7: least like going well for him.

880
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: Here so far we've seen like two is only twenty

881
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: three years old, and just that's crazy, you know, the

882
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 2: leaps and bounds that he's made, you know, each and

883
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: every year. And with Ada Feoway as an unrestricted free agent,

884
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 2: Khalil Mack whether or not he's gonna come back, there's

885
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 2: there is some questions on the other side. So you

886
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: just I'm trying to envision a young player that could

887
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 2: maybe learn from a Khalil Mack for a year and

888
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: kind of come into his own in year two. And

889
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: it seems like Folk is kind of that young guy

890
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: who may not be ready right away, but but could

891
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: be an impact player.

892
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm just curious how much bigger he's going to get.

893
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 7: Is he a guy who's gonna end up. I'm not

894
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 7: saying he could be Kalais Campbell because he's not that big.

895
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 7: Alis Campbell's a giant, like he's a Joe Alt kind

896
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 7: of giant. But you know, where does he fit on

897
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 7: the line in terms of that, like is he going

898
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 7: to grow enough to be a you know, like scheme wise,

899
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 7: what is he fit into. He's a little different because

900
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 7: like some of these edge guys I think David Bailey,

901
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 7: and I know Money probably knows a lot given the

902
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 7: modern day piece of that. You know was at Stanford,

903
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 7: he was you know, he's in a lead athlete. He

904
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 7: was super disruptive. Yeah, he's he's about two hundred and

905
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 7: fifty pounds. When you look at him, because I just

906
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 7: saw him over there, he's a little narrower than you

907
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 7: would expect. But I think he's a phenomenal football player.

908
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 7: I think he's a better player than Abdull Carter, who

909
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 7: the Giants drafted really high last year. And there's there's

910
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 7: a bunch of those guys in there, but they're just

911
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 7: you know, it's like they're not for everybody, given what

912
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 7: they do defensively, scheme wise, and Falk I'm curious to

913
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 7: see where he goes. I'm still thinking about like the

914
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 7: twenty three with Tully that he's I didn't know that

915
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,959
Speaker 7: that he was that crazy. Yeah, Like there are guys

916
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 7: in college who are like two years younger that two

917
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 7: years older than him, and he's been in the NFL

918
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 7: for like three years.

919
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 3: Michigan guys, I'll wrap with this, Bruce, Shoot, I could

920
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 3: we could keep you forever do college football talk too.

921
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 3: But Michigan guys. I had someone tell me Derek Moore

922
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 3: is such a Harball kind of guy. Like when you

923
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 3: look at that class of Michigan players that are coming

924
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: in we were talking about, you know, two years ago

925
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 3: or yeah, two years ago when it was Plake Corp,

926
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 3: is it Blake corm or is it Junior Colson? Which

927
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 3: one's more likely to end up on the Is there

928
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 3: a Michigan guy that you could say, Yeah, If I

929
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: had to bet that Harball wants one guy that's in

930
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 3: this class, it would be this guy.

931
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 7: Well that Derek Moore has. And I feel like this

932
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 7: showed up in Mobile has like there's a like a

933
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 7: physical violence he plays with and it jumps out at

934
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,479
Speaker 7: you and I could see that, and I could see

935
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 7: that certainly with the Chargers, Like I said Marlin Klein,

936
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 7: I think there's a lot of fit there in terms

937
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 7: of like he's a little still more of developmental piece.

938
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 7: I don't know if I see it. With Jayshawn Barram,

939
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 7: who came from Maryland was a transfer. I think there's

940
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 7: a little bit of question marks with him maybe character wise,

941
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 7: but there's definitely some you know, he is a you know,

942
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 7: also one of these guys who plays with a lot

943
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 7: of violence like they are, they're as tough on the

944
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 7: field as you probably get. I think that, you know,

945
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 7: when Jim had so many guys coming out when he

946
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,479
Speaker 7: came out and it was a really experienced team, there's

947
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 7: you know, there's other guys in there where it's like

948
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 7: Rayshawn Benny, who was a good player, but I feel

949
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 7: like it was probably a notch below some of the

950
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 7: defensive tackles that have that they cranked out in the

951
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 7: last few years and I feel like they dropped off

952
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 7: on the O line compared to what they were, but

953
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 7: they're still Like Derek Moore would probably be the guy

954
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 7: most that I would say, because I think he's kind

955
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 7: of flying under the radar because he's not going to

956
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 7: get talked about some of the other guys. I mean,

957
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 7: Cashus Howell was super productive at A and M, and

958
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 7: you know plays with some flourish and and some flash,

959
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 7: and where's Derek Moore. I don't think his flash, but

960
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 7: he is he is feels like a hardball guys.

961
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 1: The cash is how the arm length is an issue? Right?

962
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: Is that a potential issue for.

963
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a little with him now. The one that

964
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 7: you'll hear the most of the arm length is Ruben

965
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 7: Bain from Miami because he's going to be a top

966
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 7: five pick. But the guys I talked to are like,

967
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 7: I don't care how short his arms are. Yeah, I

968
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 7: mean he if you have a great first step, and

969
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 7: they say he does, and he plays he's so tenacious,

970
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 7: and he was like, he really helped change the culture

971
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 7: at Miami, like that program was spinning its wheels. He

972
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 7: stayed home and they played with a nastiness, and he

973
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 7: did more. He brought more of that, more responsibile to

974
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 7: than anybody. And again, I don't know if his armlengthink's

975
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 7: going to be thirty one and a half. I don't

976
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 7: know what it's going to be. It's probably gonna be

977
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 7: less than ideal. But you know, because I had this

978
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 7: conversation this morning with somebody and it was just like,

979
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 7: as long as you get off the ball really fast,

980
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 7: you can kind of negate that this this d line.

981
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: Coach told me.

982
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 7: And so you know, Cash is how well again fits

983
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 7: in that category of you'd probably like him to be

984
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 7: a little a little heavier. I mean, when you see

985
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 7: him out there, he's not a huge guy, but he's

986
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 7: really productive and he's he's a really dynamic athlete.

987
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 3: All right, we get you out on this handicap. The

988
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 3: Flag Football Championships coming up on Friday out in the

989
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 3: in the South Bay.

990
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 7: I don't know. I hopefully, hopefully I do not get

991
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 7: out coached. That would be my biggest fear that I

992
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 7: that that that they have to overcome my shortcomings. I

993
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 7: don't know, it's awesome. We've said this every year since

994
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 7: the Charges have been doing it. Like, I can't tell

995
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 7: you how many families are run into who love, how

996
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 7: they how they put everything together, and how fast it's

997
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 7: come together in terms of you know, kids from I

998
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 7: guess it's first grade to eighth grade. And it's a

999
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 7: fun environment. You know, there's two different locations. One the

1000
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 7: one we're at is in is at El Camino. It

1001
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 7: used to be in El Segundo and then was one

1002
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 7: of the locations. And it's been good, you know, and

1003
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 7: I know that you know, like I know, you know,

1004
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 7: Ben Herbert's family is involved through it. I know Bud Dupree,

1005
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 7: I guess has a younger either younger child who maybe

1006
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 7: like a couple years younger, but I know, you know,

1007
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 7: he's involved in it, and so it was cool. The

1008
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 7: the thing that was cool about it was when they

1009
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 7: first started doing it the first year, Oh god, who's

1010
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 7: the d line slash fullback with red hair? I can

1011
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 7: see that? Yeah, Scott Yeah, Scott Malleck Yeah. So Scott

1012
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 7: Matlock and Quinton came came out to different locations and

1013
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 7: really like it was cool because like Matt Locke I

1014
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 7: felt like ended up having a better year than next year,

1015
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 7: and it was like, oh, everybody's like, oh we met him,

1016
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 7: you know kind of thing. And so it's just it's

1017
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 7: neat that that they're active in the community and like

1018
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 7: we live not that far from the Bolt, So it's

1019
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 7: like it's cool because I think they've raised their developing

1020
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 7: a lot of Charger fans because of the you know,

1021
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 7: we've done a bunch of stuff, gone out to training

1022
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 7: camp and and the you know the like a lot

1023
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 7: of the guys are really really easy to, you know,

1024
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 7: very approachable. So it's been really cool.

1025
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: Awesome to you the man, Thank you so much.

1026
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,200
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Speaker 1: Welly A good way to edit with.

1038
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 2: Bruce Feldman, who is a SoCal resident himself, knows the

1039
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: Chargers a little bit.

1040
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and it's always fun to bring Bruce on.

1041
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 3: Gives an opportunity to talk about what the Chargers are

1042
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 3: doing in the community, what they've done with flag football,

1043
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 3: girls flag football as well. Bruce coaches his son on

1044
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 3: the Chargers flag football team. But like you said, so

1045
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 3: many of those guys are in the community, Nick Hardwick

1046
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 3: and Ben Herbert, but dupre like a lot of the guys.

1047
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 3: Andy Bischoff when he was here, was coaching a team

1048
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 3: so very cool that they're you know, planting those seeds

1049
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 3: and getting these kids in first grade in second grade,

1050
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 3: turning them into Charger Fans cannot recommend reading the Freaks

1051
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 3: List enough.

1052
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: I do it every year.

1053
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 3: I get excited when it comes out before the college season,

1054
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 3: and then Bruce reposts it right before the combines. You

1055
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 3: can kind of know, you know who you're keeping an

1056
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 3: eye on and whether or not they match up to

1057
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 3: what all the coaches told him were the freakiest players

1058
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 3: in college football. And in terms of Matt there's just

1059
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 3: no one better at chart and wide receivers at he

1060
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 3: does the reception perception so cool of because what he

1061
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 3: does that other people don't is it's not about targets.

1062
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 3: It's about routes run. It's all did they run the route,

1063
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 3: Did they win the route? Whether or not they got

1064
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 3: targeted doesn't matter. Like the way he charts these things

1065
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 3: and determines, you know, the success of the success percentage

1066
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 3: of receivers is did they win their route? And it's

1067
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 3: really cool to break down and that's why it gets

1068
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 3: excited about guys specifically like Ladd that are route winners. Man,

1069
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 3: They're more often than not going to get you know,

1070
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 3: the win, whether or not they were targeted. So it's

1071
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 3: a great perspective from him to just kind of think about,

1072
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 3: you know, he needs Chargers are good. He thinks they're

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Speaker 3: you know ca Andre. I think we all kind of

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Speaker 3: feel that way right that that ca Andre and Trey

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Speaker 3: Harris should be in line for some more reps and

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Speaker 3: that's going to be a good thing for the Bolts.

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Speaker 2: And this is the beautiful thing about the combine is

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Speaker 2: that we're talking about free agency with certain folks, We're

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Speaker 2: talking about guys on the roster with the Chargers with

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Speaker 2: certain people, and then obviously the draft, and we're just

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Speaker 2: turning these things out. This is just day two, another

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Speaker 2: great podcast for you tomorrow are thanks to Bruce into

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Speaker 2: Matt for Matt Undy Smith. I'm Chris Hayry.

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