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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where my kind of Memorial day

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Speaker 1: is all about ranking decision makers in the NFL. I'm

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Speaker 1: Greg Rosendel. I'm here in the Chris Westling podcast studio,

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Speaker 1: and I'm joined by Patrick Claybonn and it is time. Patrick,

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Speaker 1: how long have you been at the company?

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Speaker 2: I have been at the company since October of twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, wow, twelve years in almost for totally. That is amazing.

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Speaker 1: And you've reached your most important day at the company

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Speaker 1: because we're throwing you into the fire. We are going

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Speaker 1: to determine who are the best NFL decision makers right now.

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Speaker 2: I have waited for a very long time to be

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Speaker 2: a part of the rankings apparatus. Okay, and I am

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Speaker 2: here and I'm ready. As people are, you know, celebrating

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Speaker 2: their holiday in which way that they want, I want

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Speaker 2: them to get into this exercise as well and go

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Speaker 2: through the thought experiments that we did and try to

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Speaker 2: come up with rankings of your own and tell us

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Speaker 2: where we're wrong.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel a little bit of sarcasm there.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of guns.

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Speaker 1: There are some people that turn their noses up at rankings.

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Speaker 1: They don't like love them as much. I enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: I enjoy making them, I enjoy consuming them. And yes,

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Speaker 1: it is a perfect Memorial day. Get out on the

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Speaker 1: beach and either listen to rankings or do some rankings.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about the GMS, the decision makers,

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Speaker 1: no matter what their title is. We're not going to

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Speaker 1: count the guys who haven't had a chance to go

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Speaker 1: through a complete year. So that's James Gladstone of the

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Speaker 1: Jaguars and Mike Borganzia the Titans, Darren Muji of the Jets,

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Speaker 1: and John Spytech of the Raiders. I believe that's it.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to rank the rest of them. We

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Speaker 1: had a random drawing before the show of who is

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Speaker 1: going to get the first overall pick. It feels like

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Speaker 1: an obvious one. Patrick won the drawing.

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Speaker 2: Who are you taking with the first pick in our

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five GM draft. I would like to select

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Speaker 2: Howie Roseman of the Philadelphia Eagles, And it feels chalky

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Speaker 2: because it is. I tried to develop a metric using

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Speaker 2: the weighted adjusted value on Pro Football Reference on the

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Speaker 2: draft page wow or for players, which is going to

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Speaker 2: skew towards the guys who have been drafting players the

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Speaker 2: longest because it's a cumulative thing. Like if you draft

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Speaker 2: Kalais Campbell, you've got every collective season that Khalis has had.

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Speaker 2: But in that metric, in in looking at the trades

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Speaker 2: and decisions, even if you want to ding him for

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Speaker 2: taking Carson Wentz, he ultimately trades Carson Wentz, trades that

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Speaker 2: Sam Bradford pick. They were able to make the aj

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Speaker 2: being on the cup Cup of one super Bowl, keeping

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Speaker 2: this team, rebuilding the roster in one season, in one draft,

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Speaker 2: essentially getting back to the Super Bowl. The coaching decisions,

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Speaker 1: Howe for me, Yeah, this is theest part. I kind

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Speaker 1: of wanted to get that first pick just because I

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Speaker 1: was curious, And I'll ask you after make my pick,

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Speaker 1: you know who you would take second? Because it seems

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Speaker 1: like a tawi and then it's a big fall. If

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Speaker 1: I did this exercise annually on the website and I

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Speaker 1: would mix it, you know how, we would move up

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Speaker 1: and down depending on the year, certainly, But the last

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Speaker 1: time I did it was before the twenty twenty three draft,

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Speaker 1: and he was number one overall. Back then, And I'm

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Speaker 1: looking at this of like, if I could draft a

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Speaker 1: he's the guy who has the most flexibility. One thing

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Speaker 1: I think he's done really well I think doesn't get

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Speaker 1: their prime. Hassan Redick was one, Javon Hargave was one,

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Speaker 1: Zach Bond is the most recent one. But he's not

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Speaker 1: afraid to then keep them at like a higher rate

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Speaker 1: like Bond. And so that's offense awesome. And I looked

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Speaker 1: and the entire defense are Howie draft picks, by the

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Speaker 1: the offense, they're actually it's mostly homegrown guys. It's aj Brown,

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Speaker 1: they've grown inside. That says, all right, number two, I

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Speaker 1: am going to take Brad Homes of the Detroit Lions.

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Speaker 1: What do you have taken him?

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Speaker 2: Ranking is very similar? Okay, very similar?

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Speaker 1: No, that was tough. I had about four guys that

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Speaker 1: You know, here's the thing with Holmes. The last time

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Speaker 1: done better in the last couple of years. I went,

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Speaker 1: you know, we went through the position groups of me

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Speaker 1: offensive line of the league, certainly among them, the best

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Speaker 1: safety group, best running backs. Like they've done a good

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Speaker 1: some heat checks, but ultimately, like, what more can you

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Speaker 1: do than build this team? If you're a GM and

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Speaker 1: you're going into what this is your five for him?

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Speaker 1: you could do a college course on how to build

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Speaker 1: up a team, and Brad Holmes would be the best professor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I understand people may have depth concerns considering

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Speaker 2: what happened. I don't think it was a It should

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Speaker 2: be celebrated that the Lions were able to accomplish what

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Speaker 2: they did. Yeah, considering the amount of injuries that they

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Speaker 2: had last season, and you mentioned the chances, I value

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Speaker 2: chances higher here, like taking shots, because my thoughts with

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Speaker 2: acquiring talent is you have to try to acquire the

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Speaker 2: unique talent. You can't have a certain form.

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Speaker 1: It's like pre mayor Gibbs friends.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like you have your your Pete Carroll's is like

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Speaker 2: Sean Payton feels that way as well, right, Like you

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Speaker 2: have your design designated, designated guidelines for players, but sometimes

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Speaker 2: players don't fall within those parameters and you take a

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Speaker 2: shot out of it. And that's why I like Brad

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Speaker 1: It's funny because the golf trade was a win win,

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Speaker 1: and yet just from the line side of things, it's

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Speaker 1: one of the best transactions in retrospect of the last decade.

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Speaker 1: That they got a franchise quarterback and then plus some

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Speaker 1: just to take them. It worked out pretty great for them.

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Speaker 1: All Right, you're up number three.

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Speaker 2: With the third pick in the twenty twenty five GM draft.

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Speaker 2: I am taking Jason light of the Tampa Bay buccaneers

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Speaker 2: sustained success. I understand people may think, like, oh, you

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Speaker 2: get Tom Brady, and it's not just Tom you had.

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Speaker 2: You had to kind of rebuild that roster and keep

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Speaker 2: it together. And also I did value the fact that

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Speaker 2: you get honesty and communication from a GM where it's

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Speaker 2: not like you don't get any cringe comments from the

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Speaker 2: things just make sense and the adjusted value number like

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Speaker 2: to anybody, including me. But over ten years is fourteen

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Speaker 2: point two, okay in comparison to like somebody like John

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Speaker 2: Schneider who's at sixteen, But that's fifteen years. He's been

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Speaker 2: there for a long time. He's acquired a lot of

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Speaker 2: very good talent. He's been able to keep that talent.

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Speaker 2: It hasn't had a lot of success elsewhere, And that's

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Speaker 2: why I'm taking them here.

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Speaker 1: That is bold and strong. No, I think I would

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Speaker 1: have taken him thirty. We are a Jason Lake draft.

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Speaker 1: The problem is, you know, you look and the Bucks

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Speaker 1: you know, we're picking him over guy over organizations that

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Speaker 1: have won more games. But ultimately, I think his drafting,

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Speaker 1: his his Baker move the offensive line, building up offensive.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because I think in terms of relating with

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Speaker 2: not just media but players as well, people respect honesty

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Speaker 2: and you don't want to be doing gamesmanship. It's like, well,

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Speaker 2: we're not going to negotiate through the media, Like it's

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Speaker 2: not that that particular conversation. You can be honest and

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Speaker 2: answer a question and also have a good faith negotiation.

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Speaker 2: I don't see why those things will be contradictory.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, it's maybe part of the reason he helped get Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady down down there. I had to look up where

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Speaker 1: I was like, he seems like he'd be from New England,

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Speaker 1: like a kind of a sarcastic New England. Okay, but no,

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Speaker 1: he's from Nebraska. Shout out to Jason late number three,

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Speaker 1: big climb. By the way, you know, back when I

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Speaker 1: couple of years. But I'm with you, I like how

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Speaker 1: much his veterans want to stay there. I'm taking less

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Speaker 1: sneed fourth overall. Now, like a lot of the GMS,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a combination effort. I mean they all are,

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Speaker 1: and to some degree, I do think Sean McVay is

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Speaker 1: very important in player acquisition in addition to Sneid. But

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Speaker 1: that is an asset and a point in his favor,

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Speaker 1: and I lean more heavily on the last few years ultimately,

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Speaker 1: the league as it stands right now, and it's tough

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Speaker 1: to do any better than Jared Verus, Steve Abula, Byron Young,

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Speaker 1: the draft, and it's not like he's been any slouch

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Speaker 1: in filling holes in terms of free agency and obviously

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Speaker 1: getting Stafford and all that either. So he is a

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Speaker 1: strong number four.

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Speaker 2: And I think a part of things that may get

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Speaker 2: underrated is Sean McVay as a coach as a human

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Speaker 2: being also requires a little bit of management as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and like managing that relationship where it's like, is Sean

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Speaker 2: McVay going to be doing media, is going to be

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Speaker 2: continuing coaching you you're a part of a franchise, move

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Speaker 2: from Los ange from from Saint Louis to Los Angeles,

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Speaker 2: like all of these things, and you get this, right,

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Speaker 2: the memes, the f the picks shirts. But then he

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Speaker 2: best drafts in recent memory where he's doing all these things,

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Speaker 2: and the numbers you know, wound up to be twelve

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Speaker 2: point six over a very long amount of time.

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Speaker 1: But that's good, right, No, it's the highest.

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Speaker 2: The highest number did wind up being John Schneider just

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Speaker 2: because of the volume of years, and you know, you

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Speaker 2: get Russell Wilson and and all those guys.

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Speaker 1: I think, well, they didn't have many picks for a while,

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Speaker 1: and he made that strategy work. The fact that they

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Speaker 1: that they so clearly had a strategy to load up

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Speaker 1: on a ton of picks the last few years and

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Speaker 1: then that they've hit on so many.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so he was he was high on he

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Speaker 2: was high on nine as well. And you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: I think it's fine. You know, I have three names

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was there was times where it's like, you

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Speaker 1: Know, right, And technically that he did draft Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 2: I know I'm going way off of your board, and

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to defend this with passion, and I

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Speaker 2: will I will take Terry Font Oh my god, I

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Speaker 1: I will see. Now we can't send out the you

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Speaker 1: that has Font to down nine. I literally have him

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Speaker 2: I am sure that you do. I am sure that

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Speaker 1: I'm saying who I want to hire right now. I

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Speaker 1: Why would Terry Font know be nine?

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Speaker 2: Because I wanted to come in this with a clear

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Speaker 2: Eric da Costa, relatively score higher than a lot of

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Speaker 2: people on this list by acquiring very, very good talent

436
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 2: that has played and played early and had success. And

437
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 2: I think that, of course, the albatross is going to

438
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 2: be this contract that I feel doesn't get done without

439
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 2: ownership involvement to the extent that you draft a quarter presence, Yeah,

440
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 2: that you draft a quarterback immediately after the deal, because

441
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 2: like that was something that the boss wanted to do. It.

442
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Speaker 1: It's not all about drafting, it's about everything that they

443
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Speaker 1: do well.

444
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Speaker 2: Yeahs. It becomes more difficult to do everything. Hey, when

445
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 2: you've got all this money devoted into a quarterback that

446
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 2: was literally in recovery, like post surgery recovery when they

447
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 2: got the deal done.

448
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 1: I just mean, if another GM on draft day is saying, like, hmmm,

449
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: where can we get a good deal from who was

450
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 1: going to give up too much in a pick? I'm

451
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: calling Terry Fonteno. He's given up that extra first round pick.

452
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: He's been there for four years. So a big thing

453
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: for me is GM in their third season, you want

454
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: some proof of concept of what you've done. And right

455
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: now he is entering year five. They've had a losing

456
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 1: record every time. He botched the first head coaching higher

457
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: and so I'm putting that on him ultimately the second one,

458
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: Like we'll see how that goes. He has the Kirk trade.

459
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: The high picks have been fine. I wouldn't say, like

460
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 1: we'll see on Pennix. Pitts has been not a good pick.

461
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 1: London has been a very good pick. And Jeanne's been

462
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: a good pick too. So you know, that's about what

463
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 1: you would expect. Maybe a little better than you would expect.

464
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 1: He brought in Jesse Bates. It's not all terrible, but

465
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: I knocked him big time for not going after Lamar

466
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: Jackson and for going for Deshaun Watson. And I don't

467
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: care if it was ownership. I'm putting Terry Fino in

468
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: that big bucket.

469
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, And again it's the difficulty of separating the owner.

470
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Speaker 1: And in terms of they wanted Deshaun Watson, they didn't

471
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Speaker 1: want Lamar Jackson, and they haven't had a winning record.

472
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Speaker 2: I think that the individuals in charge of these institutions

473
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 2: were the ones responsible for the Deshaun Watson fiasco. Including

474
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: the one that took the blame in Cleveland for it.

475
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 2: But man, there's it's just if we haven't seen proof

476
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 2: of concept for Atlanta and the team that Like, we

477
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: both agree that Jason light belongs in the in the

478
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,479
Speaker 2: top echelon of these gms. Yeah, and they were right

479
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 2: there with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers during the season in

480
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 2: which they had to start a rookie quarterback late. So like,

481
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: how is that not proof of concept?

482
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Speaker 1: I get that you you don't want to just ranked vibes.

483
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: I'm okay, Like, I don't look at it as vibes.

484
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 1: I look at it as taking all the information that

485
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Speaker 1: you have and trusting that you can mash it all

486
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Speaker 1: up and then come up with kind of what's an

487
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Speaker 1: opinion and take some things out of context. I would

488
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 1: say that what's the best thing about the Falcons last

489
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 1: handful of years? I would say the offensive line. Fatah

490
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with that. So that's like the

491
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: one part of the team that was good. He hasn't

492
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Speaker 1: been able to build up.

493
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 2: Uh, they we're starting Taylor and Desmond Ritter dog right,

494
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: I just well, that's partly on him.

495
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: He's entering year five. I man, it's tough. He you

496
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: got you want to see some better proof of concept

497
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: than Fontano has had.

498
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: After four years, big season in Atlanta, Greg is gonna

499
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: turn me into a burn It could be the biggest

500
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Speaker 2: Falcons fan in the world.

501
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have I have him at twenty three ran

502
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: twenty three. We we got to pick up the pace.

503
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,719
Speaker 1: I gotta make a pick. No, don't be sorry, I mean,

504
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: do be sorry that you took Fonten out. I'm loving

505
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: my Brian kudu Gun's value here at number ten had

506
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: him eighth overall a couple years ago. Again, a guy

507
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: who I think has shown an ability to find a

508
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: good offensive line, Like finding really good players in the

509
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Speaker 1: second third round. Man, that is like one of the

510
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 1: toughest things to do, and they've done it consistently, so

511
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: that that is a great base to build up. They

512
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 1: need to transition from kind of being that that team

513
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 1: that's the youngest team in the league every year and

514
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: being a little more talented. He's had has six first

515
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: rounders right now. Patrick. On his defense, you would want

516
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: the defense to be better than it is, and you

517
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 1: would want to have better overall players considering the investment there.

518
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: So that's a little bit of a knock, but overall,

519
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: you give him credit for the Jordan Love pick and

520
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: give him credit for a lot else So I like,

521
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:19,959
Speaker 1: goody here at number ten.

522
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've put a lot of talent in a lot

523
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: of places almost and also they've they've been able to

524
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: make moves in free agency. You're still shaking your head.

525
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: I am, I am, because I'm just thinking. I'm just

526
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: thinking about the way I'm going to have to couch

527
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 1: this in a tweet or if we if we like, uh,

528
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: if we make a board, we got to put a

529
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: big asterisk one controversy. Patrick made this pick. It doesn't count. Yeah,

530
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm being me.

531
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's it's not. It's not mean to me.

532
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 2: It just I look at I look at talent on

533
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 2: the roster. It's the same conversation we're having about Brian

534
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: Guttacunz to where it's like, ultimately like Howie's the only

535
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: one that can take the credit to being good right,

536
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 2: like bread Bread Veech as well, like those.

537
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: The it's fair if the Falcons go twelve and five

538
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: this year and they're rolling, I expect Patrick to order

539
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: some sort of Terry Fonta T shirt. I don't know

540
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: if we could do that, Let's take a quick break

541
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: and we'll move on from the top ten. Back on

542
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: NFL Daily Studio, still shaking with a reverberation. Most controversial

543
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: thing heard around the world. Some people say it's it's

544
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: not really even appropriate to do what Memorial Day, that

545
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: you're you're not respecting the troops by making the fire.

546
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 2: I'm accuse them of many things.

547
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: Let's go number number eleven. Who do you got now?

548
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: I don't know what this system tea this. If we

549
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: wanted to really get off track, this may be a

550
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: sign where you got to combine the analytics side with

551
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: the common sense side, you know, the two sides.

552
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 2: That's what that's what's being done here.

553
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: I can't totally rely on that's what's.

554
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: Being done here. Just because you disagree doesn't mean that's

555
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 2: not that's not what's being done. I will go down

556
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: by the numbers now to the next pick no, because

557
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 2: this was my wriankings. I will take Nick Casseio here,

558
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,959
Speaker 2: who is assembled to nine point one over four years,

559
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: where it feels like Nick Casserio has been in Houston

560
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 2: for at least nine years.

561
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: I was shocked to find out been that many head

562
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: coaches that.

563
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: It's that it's only been for and and yeah, if

564
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: if not for the precipitous turnover and head coaches, maybe

565
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: maybe it would have been a little higher had they

566
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: actually been devoted to winning football games before now. But

567
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: but I just think it's a very good roster. Uh,

568
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: it suits the coaching staff very well, and that these players,

569
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: some of them, you know, haven't had success elsewhere. They

570
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: they've come to Houston and they've they've been able to

571
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: accomplish the things. And so I like the way this

572
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: team is built.

573
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a great call. That they've helped

574
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: to make other teams players. That's a great sign of

575
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: a good coaching staff in a good front office. Yeah,

576
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not gonna lie. He had me. He

577
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: had me in the first few years. I thought I

578
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: thought he was he was a bum Casario. But they

579
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,479
Speaker 1: got two Rookies of the Year the year after that.

580
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: They're there. Their secondary is outrageously good. Lasseter Bullock, Petre Stingley,

581
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: all all guys that that Caseario drafted, he drafted Nico

582
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: Collins in the first draft, that the Daniel Hunter pickup

583
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: was good. I'm with you, Adam Peters is going to

584
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: be my pick here at number twelve. This one's tricky

585
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: because he's only been there for a year and a half.

586
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: But I think you can only grade on what he's done,

587
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: and jayde Daniels gets the most credit for that. But

588
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: Adam Peters, you know, he took jayde Daniels, who I mean,

589
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: he had great options between him and Drake May, but

590
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: he took Jay and Daniels. Obviously a franchise changing pick,

591
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: but a lot of good moves around the edges. The

592
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: Sandra Still pick was good, Uh, finding guys kind of

593
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: like Bobby Wagner and Doran's Armstrong and Frankie Lou who

594
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: could just step in right away. So what can you

595
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: really say. I didn't like his picks subjectively, I mean

596
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: his free agent pickups this offseason, but I really didn't

597
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: put much into that because we don't know how they're

598
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: going to work out. So I think it's unfair to

599
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: put on him that I didn't really like love him.

600
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: They might work out great, So I put him here

601
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: at twelve.

602
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense at twelve. The numbers right, for

603
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: one year, it was the best one year you could

604
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: possibly have, right, So you get you go to quarterback

605
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: and go to the NFC Championship game. He starts every

606
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: single game. That's going to skew things like if you

607
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 2: if you made this a ten if he had that

608
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: level of success, the numbers, I know, the numbers make

609
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: sense to everybody. He'd be like thirty points ahead of ever.

610
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: He'd be the greatest.

611
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, g.

612
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: Everyear if he drafted Jayden Daniels and that's going.

613
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: To be possible, Like yeah, like nobody might have that

614
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: level of success. It was almost like in terms of value,

615
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: like Puka had a similar level of season, but that's

616
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 2: not even at the quarterback position. So it's it's crazy.

617
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, see you you were looking at the entire tenure.

618
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: I'm definitely leaning a little more towards lately. So I'm

619
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: curious who you're going with next.

620
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: I am going with the owner of the Dallas Cowboys, Okay,

621
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: and Jerry Jones.

622
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: Interesting it is.

623
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: He would be significantly higher in terms of talent acquisition

624
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: because I couldn't even do the full math on his

625
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: tenure because that would be crazy and the numbers would

626
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: be just wouldn't make any sense. But just in terms

627
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: of the recent value in all of these players he

628
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: should be higher. But the way that these contract decisions

629
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: get dragged out and they'll go into the they'll go

630
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: into a year like having money to spend and not

631
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: spend it. There's some questionable things, but the talent that

632
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: has been on the roster during this window has been

633
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: good enough, uh, to to contend for a Super Bowl.

634
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: They haven't, they haven't done it, but all you can

635
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: all you can hope to have is the ability to

636
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: do that. And I think you know, despite being the

637
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: person who signs all the checks, uh, they've been able

638
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: to do it.

639
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Item tenth last time around, I definitely had them

640
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: a few spots lower than you, but nothing crazy similar

641
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: negatives to you. His hot streak in the draft has ended, though,

642
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: and so like that's a big deal that he had

643
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,479
Speaker 1: the Parsons draft with Odiggy Zoo was in that draft.

644
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: But the best picks in the last three drafts or

645
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: so is Tyler Smith. Like Ferguson, like, we got to

646
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: see some more results out of these recent picks. I

647
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: did like the pickings move though, so I think that

648
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: that's fair. Overall, they've done a good job bringing in

649
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: high end talent. Me and I really struggle. I do

650
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: like go off vibes a little bit, and I'm on

651
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,959
Speaker 1: the clock here and I'm looking at my board, and uh,

652
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: it says one thing. And yet sometimes you got to

653
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: be on the clock to feel what's really in your heart.

654
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: And I want Sean Payton, George Payton now, I don't

655
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: want to wait around any longer. I think Sean Payton

656
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: and George Payton are bringing a level of professionalism that

657
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: I'm feeling comfortable with. Now, is it Peyton or Patten?

658
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: I keep forgetting it's Peyton. They're both Peyton.

659
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's George Payton, but they're not spelled the same.

660
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, he brought in Russell Wilson. That's a pretty

661
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: big knock on him. And so they haven't had a

662
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: lot of picks since Russell Wilson because they lost so

663
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: many in that trade. But they hit on Bonnicks, they

664
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: hit on Riley Moss, and then I really like some

665
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: of the free agency moves that they've made. Zach Allen,

666
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: Jonathan Franklin, Myers, Peyton was there, George Payton when they

667
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: drafted Quinn Minors, who's turned into an All pro. And

668
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: what you see with Sean Payton and this is where

669
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: I think his ability to merge personnel and coaching matters

670
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: is like some of the mid round guy, like he'll

671
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: add like a Marvin Mims. He's going to find a

672
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 1: role for Marvin Mims, I think to be a contributor

673
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: and a productive player. I know he's a young player,

674
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: but just as an example of like, he's gonna find roles.

675
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: So I like him in this spot. I wouldn't have

676
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: wanted him in the top ten or anything, but I

677
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: think he's like a floor razor.

678
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it slots in and there's a It gives me

679
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: an opportunity to take a GM that I didn't think

680
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 2: that I would be drafting, but I'm taking. I'm gonna

681
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 2: take John Schneider, who I just passed here. After fifteen years,

682
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: the numbers come up to sixteen point one. But again,

683
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: when you have that amount of time, it's gonna lift

684
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 2: the numbers up. Like again, Jerry Jones would have been

685
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: way off of this list. I mean looking back where

686
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: it was Bruce Irvin, Russell Wilson, and Bobby Wagner in

687
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 2: one draft. They didn't have a lot of picks that year,

688
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: but through a stretch like they get Richard Sherman the

689
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 2: year before, assembling one of the more notable units that

690
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 2: we'll remember from this entire era of football in the

691
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 2: Legion of Boom, where I know Pete it was a

692
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 2: huge factor in that, and judging by the way things

693
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 2: have gone in the past few years that they probably

694
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: had very different visions, but they were able to collaborate

695
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 2: and make it work. And this this feels like a

696
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: good spot for him.

697
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to rank him lower, frankly, but I

698
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: looked at the drafts lately and you got to give

699
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: him credit like Devin Witherspoon and Jackson Smith and Jigba

700
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: that's a great draft, the Charles crossboy, mafe Riek willin. Now,

701
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: I know Pete's still there at that point. You know

702
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: there was a slump before that, but the offensive line

703
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: you got to hold against him. But he's made some

704
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 1: good pickups like Leonard Williams Ernest Jones were good pickups.

705
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: I think the first you know, they should have kept

706
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: Gina Smith, so I'm kind of knocking them for that,

707
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: But I also think it's hard to separate, like who

708
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 1: gets credit for Gina, So I would give more to Pekro.

709
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 1: I think that like when I was Sean Payton. Though

710
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: like over Schneider, for instance, there is something about he's

711
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 1: He's now the man there in a way that I'm

712
00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: not like fully comfortable. He's a he's like himself, and

713
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: I think I want like some of these other guys instead.

714
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: I don't know why because of that, just off vibes

715
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: man this we're in the middle of the draft. It's tricky.

716
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: You can get people feeling different types of ways about

717
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: Duke Tobin of the Bengals that he could be at

718
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: the very close to the bottom of this list or

719
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: closer to the top because of what he's been working

720
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: with in Cincinnati. It's a difficult situation. I think that

721
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: right in the middle is okay. His offensive line fix

722
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 1: really has just only gone okay. You got to blame

723
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: him a lot for what's happened on the defense because

724
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: they've put a ton of resources there, a ton of

725
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 1: swings hasn't totally worked. I think over his entire stretch run,

726
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: he probably would be ranked a little higher for me,

727
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: but I think I'm leaning I'm not really giving much

728
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: credit to something, well, you did seven eight years ago.

729
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 1: At this point, I'm thinking more about the last handful

730
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: of years and they've been mediocre. I think they need

731
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 1: to do better building around Joe Burrow.

732
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a spot where I was considering Duke

733
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: Tobin as well. I know that you know there's frustrations

734
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 2: with the Trey Hendrickson deal, but he didn't even mention,

735
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 2: uh Duke Tobin by name. It was like it was

736
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 2: it was a coach, you know, some communication issues and

737
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 2: is in his availability and talking about his contract. And

738
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: I understand that they got the t and Jamar deals

739
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: to deal with.

740
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: What's very nebulous what Tobin like Toblin is Tobin is

741
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: clearly running the draft. But I think this is more

742
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: of an ownership right team than most uh not, you know,

743
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: not as much as the Cowboys, but closer to that

744
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 1: than than most teams out there. They're old school the Browns.

745
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, team send us power percentages for decisions, so that

746
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: we can know. I will go to to our relatively

747
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: new our guys and take many awesome for it. Okay,

748
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: of the Arizona Cardinals.

749
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: It's almost like you're looking on my sheet. That was next.

750
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:57,959
Speaker 1: I thought that would be cool.

751
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, do you want to I'm just going

752
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 2: to take. I don't want to run a foul of

753
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 2: your list, as I have not earlier where I've committed

754
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: a crime. I feel bad, No, don't feel bad, Not

755
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: for me. You know, I'm fine. Terry Fondo, maybe we

756
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 2: want to come after you, but Jason light might ye know,

757
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: he'll be happy, Ye, he'll be happy. Yeah, the Falgrets

758
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: are trash, Mickey, I'm sure you're a good friend as well.

759
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: We'll love it. I don't know how Dan Morgan will feel,

760
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: but yeah, if we're talking about many, awesome for it.

761
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: It needs more data, uh, for for him and some

762
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 2: of the you know, the guys I have in this range.

763
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: But I think taking that situation and going in with

764
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: a new coach and trying to figure out how to

765
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 2: handle your quarterback situation and all these things bringing us this,

766
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: this this search bar of a defense that we're starting

767
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 2: a little bit more about. I like the free agent

768
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: acquisitions as well this year, so it makes sense I'll

769
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 2: take money here.

770
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: I really like their off season. I'm trying not to

771
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 1: put too much weight on that because we haven't seen

772
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: it's going to work out, but I really like their draft.

773
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: I like their offseason. I like that he's gotten contributors

774
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: in the draft, like Paris Campbell was a good one,

775
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: and some of the guys in the secondary like Max

776
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: Melton and Michael Wilson and Garrett Williams, like they got

777
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: these guys that aren't household names search bar. But I

778
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: think he's done a good job, like I don't. He's

779
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: entering year three. So this is like the push here,

780
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: But there's not much you can really fault in manti

781
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: Astin for I think that's good. I don't want you

782
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: to feel like you can't just draft as if no

783
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: one's watching, as if I'm not watching. This is not

784
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: I don't want this to be.

785
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: This is what we're doing.

786
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm listening on audiobook to this kind of tell

787
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: all memoir about Facebook, and it's it's amazing. It's by

788
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: Sarah win Williams. It's incredibly written. She's a very trustworthy

789
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: narrator and everything that you could possibly think, how bad

790
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 1: it would be to be in the inner inner circle

791
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: of Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg, it's it's it's worse than you think.

792
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: Does it go over me? And more?

793
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: It is about foreign relations. It hasn't gotten there, but

794
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: that was her job, So I maybe haven't gotten to

795
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: that part, but yeah, it is electric for a non

796
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: fiction book. Anyways, It's not unique to Facebook, but I

797
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 1: think it was true among her bosses. You know how

798
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: how little everyone would say honestly to the bosses, especially

799
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: Cheryl Sandberg back in the day. I don't want to

800
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: be the Cheryl Sandberg or Mark Zuckerberg of NFL Daily

801
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 1: where you're not just drafting who you want to draft.

802
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: No, as evidenced my recent history, that is what I'm doing.

803
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: And you know, go Falcons.

804
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: We have a special guest producer here today, Chris Babona

805
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: in the chair. Did you did you follow the reasoning

806
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: at all of what I was talking about with the

807
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: Facebook book memoir analogy?

808
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: Well? Yeah, because obviously Patrick always is like on the

809
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 3: NFL lines, he doesn't like want to branch out, and

810
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 3: you being like Facebook zucker Billet and are always on him.

811
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe I was just trying to say, like did

812
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: that come through? Is that too much of it? But

813
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: you got to let Patrick outlet that's what we don't

814
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: want to do that. I mean, it depends to a degree.

815
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: I want Patrick to continue to work here at NFL

816
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: Media and with me as like long as possible, and

817
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: so we don't want to let him totally out, but

818
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: Terry Fon knows. Mostly the book is called Careless People,

819
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: by the way, and it's been a resign bestseller, better

820
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: than I could have expected. All right, next up, this

821
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: is where the list it gets tough for me. I'm

822
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: gonna go Joe Joe Hortiz just so far, so good.

823
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: I kind of I just like the cut of his jib.

824
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 1: He's the Chargers GM for those who don't know good

825
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: in front of a microphone. I think it's made a

826
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: lot of really like sound decisions so far. They found

827
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: some late round picks at cornerback, Cam Hartzart Heap still

828
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: that that I liked. I think their first round picks

829
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: have been solid. They got a little more aggressive, not

830
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: crazy in free agency this year. It's it's more just

831
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: an incomplete but so far, so good, and for what

832
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: it's worth, like the guys that they brought in contributed

833
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: to a team that improved quite a bit, So Harbaugh

834
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: obviously gets the most credit for that, but he's right

835
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: there with Jim Harbor.

836
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes perfect sense, especially with like the potential

837
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 2: for the things to change, like Monty and as well

838
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: as Joe Jorties are just kind of right there.

839
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: Right, which is maybe why I should have put him lower,

840
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: but I don't know. It's just like, so far his

841
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: batting average is good to me, all right, you're up next.

842
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 2: In terms of winning, things have been pretty good for

843
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: the Minnesota Vikings here as of late, so I will

844
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: take Quessiodolfo mensa. It's I understand, like, if you're talking

845
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: about draft value, there's been some trades that have kind

846
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: of limited things, Like in my metric, right, when you

847
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 2: have like a Dallas Turner as well as a first

848
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: round quarterback that's not going to play, you know, you're

849
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: not able to get any value for those guys. But

850
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: there is potential for those things to change. And you know,

851
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 2: at this point, we wouldn't be talking about Sam Darnold

852
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 2: starting like being a surefire starter, getting the contract that

853
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 2: he got and dethroning Gino in his position if not

854
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: for you know, this front office's efforts as well as

855
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: you know, Kevin O'Connell obviously plays a role, but they

856
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: work together, so I'm sharing the credit and the value there,

857
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 2: So I.

858
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: Got Yeah, Honestly, I'm laughing because I sort of forgot

859
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: about QUESTI and I would have taken him earlier. Now,

860
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: I think, judging by the coach you know draft we had,

861
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: like I took him forth overall, Questy wouldn't have been

862
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: close to that height, wouldn't have been in my top

863
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: ten because his drafts ultimately have been below average on

864
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: by and large. Yeah, I would say.

865
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 2: Like if we were going vibes, yeah, and I didn't

866
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: try to look at numbers on this, I would have

867
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 2: had Quesci way higher.

868
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: But free agency they took they got Jonathan Grenard. They

869
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: essentially like let Hunter walk and got Grenard, a younger

870
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: player who I think fit the scheme that they have.

871
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: Not that he's better than Danil Hunter, but he came

872
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: in at less money and was a really good free

873
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: agency pickup. Van Ginkle great pick up. I think he

874
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: deserves some credit for that. But yeah, that some of

875
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 1: their better like young players are you know. Blake Cashman

876
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 1: was another pickup. He probably should have gone like a

877
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: little higher. Apologies to to Quesci, but yeah, this is fine.

878
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: What are you going to disrespect the other people are

879
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: around here. I'll take Omar Khan now, only three drafts

880
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: running the Pittsburgh Steelers the more that you hear from reporters.

881
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: I think Mike Tomlin has as much personnel power as

882
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: he's ever had. He's probably had always a little more

883
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: than we realize when he worked with Kevin Kolbert, but

884
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: that was someone that had been in the organization for

885
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 1: two decades and now he's working with a younger GM.

886
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: So I think Tomlin has a big hand in these drafts,

887
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: and lately they've been good. I mean, it's kind of

888
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: crazy he's this late because like Joey Porter, Junior, Keanu,

889
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 1: Benton her Big, you know, they've gotten some good offensive

890
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 1: linemen and Zach Frazier and McCormick. We'll see about Fallaton

891
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 1: and he's got to see how Project Jones at, whether

892
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: he's healthy. But the drafts have been pretty good. They

893
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: don't do a lot in free agency. They made the

894
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: DK trade, which overall, I like. The quarterback position obviously

895
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: is a huge negative, and so he pays for that.

896
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: If it wasn't for the quarterback, if he had I'm

897
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: trying to think of like a like if he had

898
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: traded for Gino Smith a couple of years ago or something,

899
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: they were like they had to fix the quarterback position.

900
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: To like an above average level. A couple of years ago,

901
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: he'd probably be in my top ten. But that's a

902
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: pretty big knock on the team.

903
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've had a very long time to develop a

904
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 2: plan at that position, and other teams have found their quarterbacks,

905
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: some have found multiple quarterbacks during that time frame, and

906
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: you need to address it.

907
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we're gonna

908
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: wrap up the draft.

909
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 3: At this.

910
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: Back in the NFL Daily, we have drafted twenty men

911
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: whose job it is to draft to be evaluated. Not

912
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: so easy when to choose on the other foot. Huh, guys,

913
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: you know you don't like being picked late.

914
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: Turn that microscope on yourself, look into your cells.

915
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: I do feel that you know somewhat bad. But this

916
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: is what happens when you get to the end of

917
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: these lists. I felt this way about the coach too.

918
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: I was like, we're in pretty good shape. Like I

919
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: don't think the next few g gms are for the

920
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: most part, have done like a terrible job. It's kind

921
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: of like having a late show. As Jimmy Kimmel, I

922
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: heard one say, like, if you still have the show,

923
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: that's a success. So like, if you are a GM,

924
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: that's a success, and especially a couple of these have

925
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: been around a little while, that's a success for them.

926
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, your your job is to keep your job, and

927
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: a lot of times, you know, we've got some person.

928
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: You know, people think personalities are exclusive to players. Managing

929
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: relationships with ownership is probably an important part of the job.

930
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 2: And if you you know, if you have a job,

931
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 2: you know that that's what that's what people like to do.

932
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: Well, the older you get, you realize that's so much

933
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: more important or telling for who gets put forward or

934
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: sticks around, like sucking up to bosses really helps.

935
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 2: I would like to take Chris Greer, who has a

936
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 2: massed thirteen point seven on my metric for a very

937
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: long time, since since twenty sixteen. Where you've get a

938
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 2: lot of good players who contribute. The problem is some

939
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 2: of those players wind up contributing in play says that

940
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: are not Miami. One notable example would be of you know,

941
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: they make the trade of Miga Fitzpatrick, they get a

942
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: first round pick. They ultimately take Tua in the first

943
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 2: round there, but that wasn't the pick that they traded.

944
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: It took Austin Jackson.

945
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: Rather, it took Austin Jackson with the Minka trade first

946
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 2: round pick, and they've been contenders. They've assembled a good team,

947
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: just haven't maybe three or four wins, which is crazy

948
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: over the course of these years, could have changed his

949
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 2: position in my rankings a whole lot. But I think

950
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 2: relative to the rest of the ones that are available,

951
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 2: I like getting Chris Queer here.

952
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a round where I had him as well.

953
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: I had him fifteenth last time. I think the hardest

954
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: thing to measure here would be you need to have

955
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: the summer your parts be, you know, the team be

956
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: greater than to some of their parts, and I think

957
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: they would be the opposite of that. I think they've

958
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 1: made a lot of moves that individually look like they

959
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 1: worked out pretty well. But overall this organization has always

960
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: been a little less than the some of their parts

961
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: to me, and so I think that's on the GM

962
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 1: a little bit like a lack of a coherent plan,

963
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: like going from one thing to the next, which the other,

964
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: and maybe it doesn't all totally add up, even though

965
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: like Jalen Ramsey made sense and Tyreek Hill made sense,

966
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: like all these made sense, and yet they don't. It

967
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: doesn't all come together.

968
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 2: Which is why these like MIKEA. Fitzpatrick, Andrew Van Ginkel,

969
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 2: Christian Wilkins, like all of these guys right who wind

970
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: up being contributors elsewhere, Like you have the ability to

971
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 2: take them, but you should be able.

972
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: To make that work, right Like by according to the

973
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: local reports, they really wanted like Colas Cambell back this

974
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: year and that was going to be maybe an important

975
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: player for them, and they didn't get him back. And

976
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: so if we're going to give credit to Adjason Light

977
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: for making an atmosphere where players want to stay because

978
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: they like the organization the situation, we sort of have

979
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: to give the Dolphin a little bit of a knock.

980
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: But Chris career hanging on. I think they need to

981
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: win this year for him to feel good. I'm gonna

982
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: go Chris Ballard next. Infamously, in my own mind, I

983
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: ranked him number one overall, like back in twenty sixteen

984
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: or seven, I forget what year it was, where I

985
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: thought they had the most talented roster in the entire NFL.

986
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 2: Do we have a graphic, because I'll put that up

987
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 2: if you try to ship me for my Terry font No.

988
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's pretty, it's pretty embarrassing. He was

989
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: eighteenth the last time I did this exercise, so it

990
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: had faded. We'll see the offensive line, which has been

991
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: a strength and was probably Ballard's, you know, the best

992
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: thing that he did now doesn't look as good. The weapons,

993
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: which were bad, now look pretty good on paper. I

994
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: think this team kind of makes sense. I'm not like

995
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: in love like his public persona sometimes a little prickly

996
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: or condescending, and the relationship with the coaches and the

997
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: and the and the fans and stuff has been up

998
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: and down. So that's a little bit of a negative

999
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: to me too. For Chris Ballad.

1000
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right there with you. The idea of making

1001
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 2: your quarterback try extra hard by bringing in Daniel Jones,

1002
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 2: and kind of it's like exclusively Richardson's responsibility.

1003
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: I didn't Yeah, I direct anyone that's curious. I mean,

1004
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: you could go to NFL dot com, or you could

1005
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: go to an SI dot com article from April of

1006
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, which says king of the Draft Colts,

1007
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard named best drafting GM in the NFL. And

1008
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: yeah that was by.

1009
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: So yeah got him.

1010
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: He had a good run and I might have overrated him.

1011
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: There number twenty two. You're up.

1012
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 2: I will take Ryan Poles at number twenty two, just

1013
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 2: purely based off of liking the I see the vision

1014
00:51:54,960 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 2: more so than some of the remaining choices, where I

1015
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 2: I probably could not in hindsight, we could have taken

1016
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 2: a better GM.

1017
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: But regret, while he's on the clock, that's rare. I

1018
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: think it's fine.

1019
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: I actually turned he turned the card in.

1020
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: I think there would have been my pick for what

1021
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: it's worth, which isn't much.

1022
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we the options get limited down here at the bottom. Yeah,

1023
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 2: the hiring of eberflus is something that it takes it

1024
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 2: it takes its skill to survive.

1025
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: And that was his guy. He really wanted Eberflus so

1026
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: and that's a negative.

1027
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: And who knows right that there was a very very

1028
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: interesting article I believe around December about the influence of

1029
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: agents on the on the coaching searches, where again, you know,

1030
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: my particular soapbox might have come in and so. But

1031
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 2: again we don't know who's who's ultimately making all these

1032
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 2: it's it's the general manager shop to hire in these spots.

1033
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: And I do believe based on this offseat, this has

1034
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 2: been the best Ryan Pohl's offseason. That does warrant a

1035
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 2: little more belief than previously.

1036
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: Fifteen and thirty six overall since he took over as GM,

1037
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: so not a lot of progress. Some good draft picks

1038
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: were like Kyler, Gordon Gervin Dexter. He picked up Montes

1039
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: Sweat and Jamaine Edmonds in free agency. This is a

1040
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: team that's better on paper than they've really ever been

1041
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: on the field. But they're pretty solid on paper. That

1042
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: was actually picked twenty three. I'd led you astray, and

1043
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: we are to twenty four. We have four more to go.

1044
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: I'll go with Elliott Wolf here just because there's not

1045
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: He had a disastrous draft other than Drake May, but

1046
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: they did get Drake May. Pretty bad free agency period,

1047
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: his first time around, The way that they handed the

1048
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 1: offensive line, it was all bad. Also, I think he's

1049
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: lost a significant amount of power. I don't truly believe

1050
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: he is the GM in a way that really and

1051
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: that would be true if anyone else on this list.

1052
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: But he has the title. So does he have the title?

1053
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: I don't even know anymore. The Patriots being Patriots, Like ultimately,

1054
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: like I don't even believe that Elliott Wolf is running

1055
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: this personnel department. But he is the guy who's doing

1056
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: the interviews and on the podium afterwards right now, which

1057
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: is messy. So that's part of my skepticism. But I

1058
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's Mike Rabel, and I think

1059
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: it's Mike Rabel's guys that he brought in that actually

1060
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: might have more juice than Elliott Wolf. But I don't know,

1061
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: just because he hasn't done that much. I go Elliot

1062
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: Wolf and he delivered me drake me, so that made

1063
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: me happy, all right. Number twenty five.

1064
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 2: At a one point eight wava my tortured metric Dan

1065
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 2: Morgan after one year. You know, it's really not enough

1066
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 2: info to get into I do. I do see some

1067
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 2: sort of a vision. I was surprised, but I've been

1068
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 2: talked into the Ted McMillan pick where I really thought

1069
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 2: they needed no defense. And yeah, I like him more

1070
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 2: than the remaining choices Star going to take down.

1071
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just a will see you can't really kill him.

1072
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: His drafts so far don't look like amazing, but he

1073
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: literally only had one the free agency period. Like, I

1074
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 1: kind of liked what he did this year, but he's

1075
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: just sort of a we almost shouldn't have ranked in

1076
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: Morgan or maybe Elliott Wolf just because they weren't. They

1077
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: haven't been around long enough. It's tough to evaluate. Mickey

1078
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: Loomis has been around a long time, and this is

1079
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 1: where I'm leaning into the last few years. I'm really

1080
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: only just great him on the post on pinare Like,

1081
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: he used to rank pretty high on my list, like

1082
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: he would be in the top ten sometimes, you know,

1083
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: top fifteen. They had some great drafts. Right now, he's

1084
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: just aiming for the middle, hanging on to players I

1085
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: believe too long, having a weird obsession that ended up

1086
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: being unrequited with Derek Carr like and Dennis Allen just bad,

1087
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: not who you want running your team. Because he was

1088
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: around it long enough to make a handful of amazing

1089
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 1: draft picks, and he won a Super Bowl title. That's

1090
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,919
Speaker 1: why he gets ahead of just the last couple guys

1091
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: on this listtery, but I'd be fine wherever you put

1092
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: him at the at the back end. At this point,

1093
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: I think I don't know, he's not even he's just

1094
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: a figurehead. I don't even know what's going on.

1095
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 2: And with our last two I do know where you

1096
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 2: stand on this. I have seen one. You know, Andrew

1097
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 2: Berry's shot.

1098
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: And we have Joe Shane and Andrew Berry are the

1099
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: only two.

1100
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry sitting there with the owner

1101
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 2: at the draft literally looming over their shoulder leads me

1102
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 2: to take Andrew Berry here. Okay, and maybe it's more

1103
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 2: of a Joe Shane thing, but I just think that

1104
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 2: the Big Boss is making so many of the decisions

1105
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: regarding everything that it's it's almost impossible to evaluate either

1106
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 2: one of them, even when you consider that Stefanski won

1107
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 2: the Coach of the Year somehow.

1108
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: Now he traded away so many picks for Deshaun Watson,

1109
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: and you know, the Watson trade alone would just have

1110
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: me put him last, but second to last. It's close enough.

1111
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: They have had draft picks and the last three drafts

1112
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: I was looking it up. The best player from those

1113
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: last three drafts are either is like Greg Newsom or

1114
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: Martin Emerson. Like they haven't brought in talent via the draft,

1115
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: so that's on him too. His first ever draft pick,

1116
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm big on the first draft pick, setting it down.

1117
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm this in general, and his

1118
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: first was Jedrick Wills, which to me is so typical

1119
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: of them, which is like it looked pretty good at

1120
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: first and then it just hasn't worked out in the

1121
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: long run. And that's how I feel about about Barry

1122
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: in general. But the difference between Barry and Shane was

1123
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: Barry wasn't on hard knocks, giving the impression that just

1124
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: like not a lot was going on. That made you

1125
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: feel like he was an asset as a general manager.

1126
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. I think people in the league

1127
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: watching that show agree with me, and I heard from

1128
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: them like that, just like, really, there's this is what's

1129
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: going on. That's that's my feel on Chin. He had

1130
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: a pretty good draft though last year.

1131
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it gave us, It gave us a level of insight,

1132
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 2: and to the counter of Andrew Berry, the owner actually

1133
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 2: wanted it seemed like wanted the player, and he was like, no,

1134
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 2: this is my decision. And and that is why, considering

1135
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 2: the results, I understand that the last draft gave us

1136
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 2: something to be you know, gave something to be excited about.

1137
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 2: But considering the extended amount of results.

1138
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: Well, and the Daniel Jones contract is not as bad

1139
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: as the Watson trade, but it's it's bad in a

1140
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: really significant way. In a different way to self evaluate

1141
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: that bad and hamstring your own organization after you've already

1142
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: had him there with that coach is tough to survive,

1143
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: but he has and he's got one more year here

1144
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: to to make it look better. We got to the end.

1145
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: It's kind of a bummer for these guys at the end,

1146
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: but you know, something's got to come in last.

1147
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 2: And somebody and and they can put this up on

1148
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: a metaphorical bulletin board maybe like on a Windows desktop,

1149
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 2: right and and motivate them. They'll try extra hard now

1150
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 2: because we've been critical.

1151
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: Well or the opposite font No could see that someone

1152
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: believes in him out there, and he wants to prove

1153
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: us right because now it's us.

1154
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 2: Well, well, we get the motivation goes both ways because

1155
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 2: you don't believe, and it doesn't Your lack of belief

1156
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 2: has more value.

1157
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. Ultimately, when we put out the graphic,

1158
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: it's NFL Daily like we are a team Patrick And

1159
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: while I came out, came at that pick pretty strong.

1160
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: Now we've got to support we've got to support him.

1161
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: I can't I can't be I can't be sniping to

1162
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: the media behind the scenes power struggle I can't be

1163
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: like an unnamed source to Jordan Rodrieg of The Athletic

1164
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: that like a Patrick really blew it with this pick.

1165
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: I had nothing to do with that pick. That that

1166
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: was all Jimmy Haslim.

1167
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can write a book about it and get

1168
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 2: some quotes from my dad and then have a NFL

1169
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 2: dot com article promoting your book written by nobody.

1170
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope we can recover as as as

1171
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: a friendship podcast will be our it will be good.

1172
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: That's it for our rankings of the gms. And yes,

1173
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: if you notice we're kind of doing this weekly, we're

1174
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: going to keep that up. We're going to get into

1175
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: the positions next. I am really looking forward to that

1176
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: and really looking forward to the rest of this week.

1177
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: We will have Colleen Wolf and Jordan rod Rieg back

1178
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: in the studio for our next show. For Patrick Claibon,

1179
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: for Terry Fontano, for QUESSI we did kind I kind

1180
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: of forgot QUESTI. I apologize. We're making amends when it

1181
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,439
Speaker 1: comes to Terry Fontino because football is back