1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of We 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Are but a sec trend rate podcast. 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 2: You do not have to look out our way. Good sir, 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 2: he went second rate. 5 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 3: He wouldn't it punch a second rate podcast in the. 6 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: Face with wearing glasses. 7 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: My name is Jack O'Brien. That over there is Miles Gray, 8 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: and yep, that's a full of fascism. Wow. Got it's 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: a full of fascism. 10 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 3: You've hit it. You know that thing where it's like 11 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 3: you are here on the road to fashion thing. It's like, bro, 12 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 3: what wow? Wow? 13 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 4: Wow? 14 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, we're definitely gonna be people who 15 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: are like we've been there, and I get that, and 16 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: we've been saying that for a while. But also this 17 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: is for some reason, this just feels like the most 18 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: naked and like kind of just mainstreaming of it where 19 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: it's just like that guy said a thing we don't 20 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: like and now his show is gone. And by the way, yes, 21 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: I know, h fashions is not the preferred nomenclature of 22 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: our new ball is the Donald Trump administration. I think 23 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: they prefer we refer to it as making comedy not 24 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: unillegal again, yes, yes, yes, yes, but just for the 25 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: sake of clarity for our listeners, since they've been listening 26 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: for a while, we'll use the phrase that applies based 27 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: on uh, you know, centuries of historic precedent, and. 28 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 2: That's a form of fascism. 29 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 3: You're here, baby. 30 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 4: I mean it's a little bit different because now you're 31 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 4: using basically that you're weaponizing the greed of CEOs and 32 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 4: the worship. 33 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:38,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, shareholders been there, but yeah, it is coming into focus. Basically, 34 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: they put pressure on so that this is in reference 35 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: to the Jimmy Kimmel cancelation. 36 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 2: What what. 37 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 3: The other fascism Jimmy Kimmel. 38 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, Jimmy Kimmel got canceled for Halloween candy. Guy, I 39 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: know who's going to steal their kids Halloween candy this year? 40 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was really shocked. A friend of mine who's 41 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 3: like not into the news texted me the second that 42 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 3: story broke and I was like, oh my, yeah, like 43 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 3: when a noormy friend was like, dude, this is bad. 44 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: Kim First, they came for the trans community and I 45 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: said nothing all the way. 46 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 2: Now they came for Jimmy Kimmel. 47 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 3: Kimmel and now look at me. 48 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: And it was too damn late. What's next Jimmy fallon. 49 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 1: Anyways, Basically, they put pressure on anyone who has a 50 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: big corporate merger coming up. Seems to be the playbook 51 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,119 Speaker 1: right now, which is, you know, they're. 52 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: Having to be mindful about how they do this. 53 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,119 Speaker 1: They're having to use strategy, and they're like, oh, these 54 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: are like little you know, pain points. So going after 55 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: anybody who has a big corporate merger coming up, getting 56 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: them to do whatever they want, which is how they 57 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: got Colbert canceled before, how they got sixty minutes essentially 58 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: neutered before, and that plays in here again. And then 59 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: every other corporation is going to fall in line because 60 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: they're scared, not. 61 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 3: Even fucking an attempt at pushback. 62 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. 63 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 4: Like when you read the stories about the behind the 64 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 4: scenes of it, you're like, uh, like it seemed like people. 65 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 5: Were like, well, he didn't do anything wrong, kill didn't 66 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 5: do anything wrong, Like why should we why should we 67 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 5: do this? And then they're because it's going to be 68 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 5: bad if we don't, you're going to be mean to us. 69 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 5: And wow, it's it's not a system that's built to 70 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 5: stand up to fascism like the people we have, you know, 71 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 5: So at the Baltimore Sun. I guess the head of 72 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 5: one of those right wing media outlets like took over 73 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 5: the Baltimore Sun earlier. The right wing guy who took 74 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 5: over CBS is now thinking about taking over Paramount. 75 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. The guy behind Sinclair Broadcasting is yeah, Sinclair. 76 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: And so it's just all these right wing people who 77 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: are going to be able to get the clearance and 78 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: the support the government support to take over anything they want. 79 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: And the only people that we have standing in the 80 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: way on behalf of democracy are CEOs. 81 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 4: Yes, old CEOs who are going to die at any 82 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 4: moment of old age, and ones. 83 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: Who aren't are like that. 84 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: So this is I think people think we're in less 85 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: trouble than we are because in America there is this 86 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: large body of work that has been built around making 87 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: CEOs seem more smart and principled and like more like 88 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: mavericks than they actually are. You know, like once somebody 89 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: becomes super successful, they write a fake biography of themselves 90 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: where they like did it on their own against against 91 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: all these forces working against them, instead of just. 92 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 3: Covered up that murder on my own. I didn't need 93 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 3: daddy's help. 94 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean the truth, the truth is that 95 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: CEOs generally, like you get really wealthy often by being predatory, 96 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: finding a imbalance, and then just exploiting that mismatch over 97 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: and over again until you're super rich. But then you know, 98 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: like inside corporations, like this is exactly what we're going 99 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: to see and continue to see. Is like, you know, 100 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: people in the c suite a lot of the time 101 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: are not getting where they are because they're courageous or 102 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: value based, and like everybody who's worked in a corporate 103 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: environment kind of knows this that it's like a hive 104 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: of ass covering and you know, smart people using their 105 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: brain power to get aligned with whatever is in the 106 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: interest of the company, you know what I mean, And so. 107 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 3: That's your way to go upward. 108 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is a sick system from the start, 109 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: and it's being put to a major stress test and 110 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: is not holding up in any way as well. We'll 111 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: get into the specifics of this, but I just want 112 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: to say, if we get canceled, look for us on Patreon. 113 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 3: I think devenmo. 114 00:05:58,520 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: But yeah I don't. 115 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 1: I think we're still two second rate, so we probably Yeah, yeah, 116 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: you got some time. 117 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 4: I think being just in like the middle of like 118 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 4: the top one hundred ish two hundred is shows. 119 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 3: Is that nobody knows. 120 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're staying. 121 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 3: We're saying, go, look, they don't know about us. 122 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: You know, the. 123 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: Mediocrity of this show has been a strategy. We could 124 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: have made a show those like we've been trying to 125 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: just keep a low profile. So we appreciate you putting 126 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: up with the mediocrity. We just couldn't have you guys 127 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: getting so excited that you then spread the word and 128 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: we become so popular that we then attract the eyes 129 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: of their new fascist overlord. 130 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 4: Well, the one good thing is that at least, you know, 131 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 4: podcasts aren't technically covered over like the FCC doesn't regulate that. 132 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 2: You know, the FCC won't let me be or let 133 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 2: me be me. 134 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: So let's just see let's talk about yeah. Yeah, yeah. 135 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: So that's what a fun So a lot of people 136 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: are making. They're like, great, we have to defend Jimmy Kimmel, 137 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: and we we kind of do. 138 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 2: In this case. 139 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: The x Win Benstein's money host was suspended indefinitely by ABC, 140 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: owned by Disney over comments about the Charlie Kirk shooting. 141 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 3: And not even specifically the shooting, more about like the 142 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 3: handling of it by political politicians in the aftermath. 143 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that the right seemed like they were very scared 144 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: that this person would have right wing politics, which is 145 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: pretty I think everybody was scared that this person was 146 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: going to have their politics. That was like a big 147 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: trend online over the weekend for sure. 148 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: Everybody was like, oh god, funny. 149 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 4: Well yeah, and then also just taking shots at Trump's 150 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 4: response and reaction to it too, like that one clip 151 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 4: he played where it's like, how you dealing with It's like, 152 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 4: I'm fine, We're building a ballroom, yes, and then you're like, 153 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 4: and then he's dancing at a Yankees game. 154 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: Yes, But when a man has a dance in his heart, 155 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: you know, when a guy is just a great, great dancer, 156 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: then sometimes the dance is going to break out and 157 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: he you know, when YMCA comes on, Donald Trump is 158 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: going to do the Tony Koleett at the end of 159 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: Hereditary dance. 160 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: This lesson you describe it as man. 161 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, so this is how it went down. He 162 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: said a thing that offended the Trump administration about the 163 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk shooting, not not laughing at the Charlie Kirk shooting, 164 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: saying like people are exploiting it for political gain or 165 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: like afraid of it not being exploitable for political gain, 166 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: kind of very like middle of the Road Anadyne. The 167 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: FCC head Brendan Carr then straight up threatened ABC affiliates, 168 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: which like he went on a show with our boy, right, 169 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: wasn't it with Benny Johnson, He went on a podcast 170 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: with would they got drug fire after drive by shootings 171 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: or after mass shootings? 172 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 2: Himself? 173 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 3: Of course, yes, yes, of course, the famous. 174 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: The famous went on there and was like, you know, 175 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: I think that ABC's affiliates should take a hard look 176 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: at whether they carry this anymore. 177 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: One of babies. 178 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 3: Why not ABC directly? Why not go talk to the 179 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 3: why not address the network directly? White Miles, Uh huh. 180 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 1: The SCC is overseeing a potential eight billion dollar murders, 181 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: six billion dollars like some. 182 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 3: Six or two, I think, yeah, yeah. 183 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: By one of ABC's affiliates, Next Star, which is one 184 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: of the biggest owners of local TV stations in the country, 185 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: and so within hours of him saying that on a podcast, 186 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: they announced that they were no longer going to carry 187 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmel. 188 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 3: Yep. 189 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: And I remember this from my time working at ABC 190 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: that affiliates are a bit like that's the thing, like 191 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: there is this. 192 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 2: Weird little middle man. 193 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: And by from my time working at ABC, I of 194 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: course mean from watching Studio sixty on the Sunset Strip, 195 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: but like they're always worried about affiliates like the which 196 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: are like smaller you know, companies that own the local 197 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: TV channel ATTV. 198 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 4: In LA like or k all of your whatever, like 199 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 4: that's not typically owned by the network. 200 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 3: Those are affiliated stations. 201 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, So the corporate powers that be did what 202 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: they did best. They knew there was nothing wrong with 203 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: the comments that Kimmel made, but were reportedly uh pissing 204 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: themselves all day. 205 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: That's a quote quote pissing themselves. 206 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: All day, ultimately capitulated to the authoritarian threat. And yeah, 207 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: like we said, Next Star is currently in the middle 208 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: of a six point two billion dollar merger with another 209 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: media company, which requires FCC approval. You know, the basically 210 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: the exact same playbook as the Stephen Colbert situation where 211 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: there was a massive merger. And I think so like 212 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: that is like a very like clear quid pro quo. 213 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: But I think just thinking of it as like a 214 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: very isolated, local quid pro quo where it's like, ah, 215 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: they made that decision, and now we let them do 216 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: the merger doesn't communicate fully, doesn't get at fully the 217 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: malignancy of this that like, yeah, once they're able to 218 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: merge and they're already seeing the benefit of aligning their 219 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: values with the Trump administration, well now they're a media 220 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: behemoth that is in line with the Trump administration. And 221 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: as we saw with the sky Dance merger, once they 222 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: like gobbled up the company, they then installed like super 223 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: right wing forces to oversee CBS News. 224 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: So it's like. 225 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 4: It's pretty much what's what orbon Is did in Hungary, right, 226 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 4: It's like you get all of you get these media 227 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 4: elite together, and they just begin to solidify and like 228 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 4: they become what's the word I'm looking for, not a singularity, 229 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 4: but the concentration of like all of them. Yeah, essentially 230 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 4: they're just like, well, there's three companies and they're they're 231 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 4: all aligned with the president. 232 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all doing what the president want. 233 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 4: They will use financial coercion to basically be like, oh, 234 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 4: well you can't, well then we'll we'll kill your company financially, 235 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 4: and then we'll come in and buy the pieces of 236 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 4: it and then make it say We'll make this zombie 237 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 4: brand say whatever we need it to say now. 238 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: And we've been talking from the very early days of 239 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: this podcast about the fact that corporation. 240 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 3: Solid that's what I was looking. 241 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: For, consolidation, baby, that corporations are you know, operate from 242 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: this position that our only obligation is to do what 243 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: is in the best shareholder value. You know, Like there's 244 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: the book The Corporation that came out in the nineties 245 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: that like wrote about the fact that because corporations are 246 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: legally people in the United States, you have this situation 247 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: where you have these very powerful eventually people who are 248 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: legally permitted and almost like legally required to act as sociopaths. 249 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: And so that is the structure of power in this country. 250 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: It's not going to stand up under authoritarian pressure. 251 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 4: No, no, no, when your overarching principle is make money, Yeah, 252 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 4: and at all costs, like truly at all costs doesn't matter. 253 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 254 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 4: This it's like God, it's like all these political theories 255 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 4: from years ago that shit, Jesus making us do homework 256 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 4: by making the homework come alive. 257 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: And really it's a teachable moment I think is above 258 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: all Sean Hannity claimed that he couldn't find a single 259 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: prom so they're they're basically trying to deny that this 260 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: is what is happening. Hannity was like, I can't find 261 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: a single conservative voice. This is actually a quote. Can't 262 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: find a single prominent conservative voice in the country that 263 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: even remotely wanted or hoped or was pushing to get 264 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmel taken off the air. The President literally said 265 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: Kimmel should be taken off the air, like multiple times, 266 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: like a refrain. 267 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 3: He's been saying it for fucking years. 268 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, And then that take was further invalidated when Trump 269 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: celebrated the Kimmel suspension on truth Social and said that 270 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: NBC should similarly cancel Seth Myers and Jimmy Fallon. 271 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 4: And he's like, it's a do it, NBC President dj T. Yeah, 272 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 4: where's getting somewhere with his tweeting? You know, where's the resistance? 273 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 4: I mean, I know that it says Hollywood is totally opposed. 274 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 4: Now what that means, Yeah, Oh, I don't know. I 275 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 4: mean you can be like, eh, I'm opposed, but this 276 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 4: is truly like using government regulatory agencies to censor speech 277 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 4: is really fucking something else and it's like wild too 278 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 4: when because like fucking Enriquetario, the proud boy guy. He 279 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 4: was like, it's a little hypocritical, he. 280 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: Said, Tucker Carlson come out and say like, this is 281 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: a lot. 282 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 3: This is Tucker Carlson. 283 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 4: I mean again, Tucker Carlson, one of the most bad 284 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 4: faith of bad faith actors. But again, broken clocks and 285 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 4: all that, Uh, this is this is him talking about. 286 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 4: He's like, what, like, what where? Where's the momentum going here? 287 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 4: If this is what we're doing in canceling, Jimmy Kimmel 288 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 4: just he just wake. 289 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 2: Up, What the fuck are you talking about? 290 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the movement, movement you've been a part 291 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: of about that's. 292 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 3: The other part of it. You're like, that's why I'm like, 293 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 3: what are you fucking saying? 294 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: But again, I mean, I guess the saying always goes 295 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: inside Tucker Carlson. There are two wolves. Yeah, actually we 296 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: have to take a quick break. We'll come back and 297 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: hear what Tucker Carlson have to say about this. 298 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 3: And we're back and. 299 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: Right, So, as we were saying, inside Tucker Carlson, there 300 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: are two wolves. One that isn't overtat w's white supremacist, 301 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: and then another one I think just woke up after 302 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: like being in a comber hibernating for a long time, and. 303 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 3: They saw himself in a bit of jeopardy. 304 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. 305 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 4: That's what I think is probably the most because nothing 306 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 4: he does is for the good of humanity. 307 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: I think he also has presidential aspirations and sees that 308 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: this is going in a very unpopular direction, and so 309 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: maybe he's like, I'll be the guy who doesn't do 310 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: how man fuckers are doing. 311 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 3: I can't wait for the Carlson Rogan ticket. 312 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: Oh man. 313 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 4: Anyway, here's Tucker Carlson talking about the First Amendment under threat. 314 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 6: You hope that a year from now the tromoil we're 315 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 6: seeing in the aftermath of his murder won't be leveraged 316 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 6: to bring hate speech laws to this country, And trust 317 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 6: me if it is. 318 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 3: If that does happen, there is never. 319 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 6: A more justified moment for civil disobedience than that ever, 320 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 6: and there never will be. Because they can tell you 321 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 6: what to say, they're telling you what to think. There 322 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 6: is nothing they can't do to you because they don't 323 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 6: consider you human, they don't believe you have a soul, 324 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 6: a human being with a soul, A freeman has a 325 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 6: right to say what he believes. 326 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 2: Who is he talking about? 327 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 4: People he's talking about like just the aftermath of the kirkshooting. 328 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: No, no, I know that. But like when he says, 329 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: they don't see you as having a soul? Who the 330 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: Trump administration? Yes, the government? Yeah, buddy, what have we 331 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: been doing here? 332 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: What is going on? 333 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it, it does make sense that 334 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: like at least some of the people who are conservatives 335 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: and you know, have been on this free speech ship 336 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: for a while, like some of them would be like 337 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: a little disturbed by this, maybe just temporarily. He's definitely 338 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,479 Speaker 1: had some moments in the past where he's been like, 339 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe socialism is a good idea. But 340 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: then you know, he shows up, He's at Trump's inauguration 341 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: and all that shit. Yeah, yeah, this looks bad. Can't 342 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: imagine that it's a popular move. It's really just a 343 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: question of like, is this all dismantled quickly enough for 344 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: them to never face electoral consequences? 345 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: Again? 346 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly which I And again the Democratic Party so bad, 347 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: so bad at what they do that the electoral consequences 348 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: are not going, like I are not inevitable as unpopular 349 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: as this is if the Democratic Party, unless the Democratic 350 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: Party solidifies behind Zoran. My first time saying that name correctly. Yea, 351 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: congratulations to me. I'm sorry, sorry for having said it 352 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: wrong for so long. I just liked the joke that 353 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: it's best pronounced by the guys from too much Tuna. Yeah, 354 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: but it's it's not it's not a given that the 355 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: Democratic people are going to rally behind the Democratic Party 356 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: as unpopular as this is. 357 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 4: So no, because there's such a lack of belief and 358 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 4: faith in the Democratic Party, like it's it's it's really, 359 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 4: it's like it's truly at a crossroads, and it's like 360 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 4: you either have to completely shed this former skin, you 361 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 4: had to emerge as something completely different. 362 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 3: But I just don't. 363 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 4: I just think that's ideologically and intellectually too far afield 364 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 4: for the establishment within the Democratic Party to to really 365 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 4: tack to the left to something different, because again, it's 366 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 4: still built on like this, the norms of capitalism and 367 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 4: the flow of capital, and until you're really you have 368 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 4: to really press against that whole idea, that whole concept 369 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 4: to be like no, this is actually this is a 370 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 4: poison to our society, and like, the only way we 371 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 4: can approach anything that looks equitable is to be able 372 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 4: to fucking re negotiate the entire social contract. Yes, and 373 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 4: that's and I think that's what makes me a little 374 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 4: bit weary. But at the same time, I think there's 375 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 4: you know, I think this is more and I don't know. 376 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 4: I mean, like, I all the kind of the kind 377 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 4: of changes we need to see also need to come 378 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 4: from the populace too, to really embrace an idea of 379 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 4: like what our power is as a population and how 380 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 4: we can actually demonstrate that through collective action. 381 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say I read in the past twenty 382 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 1: four I was the best rejoinder to the sort of 383 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: mainstream media narrative that is being kind of enforced by 384 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: the Trump administration with regards to the Charlie Kirk murder 385 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,959 Speaker 1: by Tana hasse Coates in Vanity Fair, I just yea, 386 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: I think everybody should just go read that, you know. 387 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 1: But he both acknowledges the horror of the murder, the 388 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: you know, danger of a moment of political violence, but 389 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: also just like presents Charlie Kirk's words in a very 390 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: like and the words of him and then the people 391 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: in his organization turning point, and it's just there's stuff 392 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: in there that, you know, they a lot of Charlie 393 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: Kirk's statements have made the rounds, but there's a lot 394 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: of stuff that I just hadn't, Like the anti semitism, 395 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: the Jewish donors Kirk claimed were the number one funding 396 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: mechanism of radical open border neoliberal quasi Marxist policies, culture 397 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: institutions and nonprofits, word salid, you know, the just horrifying 398 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: like you know, KKK level whites, like violent white supremacist 399 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: statements from people in his organization, and like, I didn't 400 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: know he was on the same page with Trump on 401 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: still thinking that the Central Park five should be jailed. 402 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 4: I mean I feel like that's just yeah, I think 403 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 4: that's just like a thing you have to kind of 404 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 4: believe so that no l's are taken. Sure, well yeah 405 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 4: maybe they were, but like that doesn't mean that they 406 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 4: didn't do anything. I still believe they did it, even 407 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 4: though that's completely untrue. Yeah. 408 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 2: Anyways, I think that's worth reading for everyone. 409 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, because again it's it's not just merely being like, 410 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 4: oh man, that's that's bad. It's like, yes, that's bad. 411 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 4: Here are the words that were said by this person. 412 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 4: Now what what are we doing to ourselves as a 413 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 4: nation by engaging in like an active process of ignoring 414 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 4: all of that? Yeah, and where does that lead us 415 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 4: to if we are exactly completely just turn away from 416 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 4: these words and completely do this like revisionist hagiography. 417 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think corporations are very good at turning away, 418 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: like looking the other way on things, and it does. 419 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how OJ got a TV show, you know 420 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 4: what I mean, like the OJ prank Show. Yeah, I 421 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 4: mean somebody put money by. I know that didn't get 422 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 4: on TV. But it's that idea that sometimes it's just 423 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 4: like yeah, I guess. 424 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 2: I guess. 425 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 3: So now let's take a swing at it. 426 00:22:58,520 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 2: Let's go some good news miles. 427 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: Movies, movivies are still at them movie So that that 428 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: is like the new the new thing that I think 429 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: we can lean on is it's hard to get to 430 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: things that you just like pay. The way they get 431 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: their money is like people pay to experience them, you know, 432 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: because you don't have like all these corporate entities and 433 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: like advertising and all that shit. So movies are still 434 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: out here and one battle after another. 435 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 2: We've been talking about. 436 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: This is the Paul Thomas Anderson, the guy who made 437 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: Boogie Knights, Magnolia, The Master, Phantom, Thread, Pizza, There Will 438 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: Be Blood is maybe his best work, has a new 439 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: movie that is being advertised as like an action movie 440 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: kind of and it's about like a modern version of 441 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: America taken over by like violent fascism, which is the 442 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: imagination on this guy for like the stuff that's based 443 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: on reality. These movies are they had they had the 444 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: first I was like, I don't know. At first, when 445 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: I saw the trailer, I was like, could go either way, 446 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: you know, like I didn't think Laker's piece was like 447 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: I thought I had some great moments, and then like 448 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: overall wasn't necessarily the thing that stuck with me the 449 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: most of his movies, but a couple details that were 450 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: making it interesting. It was based on a Thomas Pincheon novel, 451 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: so it's like has some structure. And then they did 452 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: this screening and everybody who like came away from it 453 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, this is like the this is 454 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: gonna win Best Picture this year, and like Steven Spielberg 455 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: was like, this is this reminds me of like Doctor Strangelove, which, 456 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: as everybody knows, is like one of my favorite movies 457 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: reference in this current political moment. Anyways, the review embargo 458 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,719 Speaker 1: has been lifted, and it's almost like the reviews are 459 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: like almost suspiciously good. 460 00:24:59,640 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 461 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 3: I was like, is everybody okay? 462 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 4: Like the Daily be said it was an anti fascist 463 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 4: rallying cry, and I was like, you may want to 464 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 4: change that headline. Yeah, you know, if they're doing sweepers 465 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 4: for words like that on the internet, that's right, Like, 466 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 4: you know, maybe say it's filled with amazing patriotic messaging. 467 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 4: But yeah, like other critics seem to be pretty uniform 468 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 4: in saying this is one of the best best movies 469 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 4: they've seen this year, and I'm like. 470 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 2: Whoa It said a ninety six on Metacritic. 471 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: I always, you know, everybody, I love to talk about 472 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 1: how Rotten Tomatoes is easily gameable, and you can tell that, 473 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: like sometimes studios put their finger on the scale a 474 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: little bit, and you know, they're like, could you make 475 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: this afresh? Even though it's two stars. It's a nice 476 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,479 Speaker 1: two stars, but metacritics kind of hard to fake, and 477 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: so there'll be movies that have like a ninety nine 478 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: on Rotten Tomatoes, but it'll be like seventy two on Ritacritic, 479 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: a Metacritic, it's currently at ninety six out of a hunger, 480 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: which is like kind of unpress And so yeah, the. 481 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 4: Other thing that since embargoes are being lifted, that Him, 482 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 4: the Jordan Peele produced football movie. 483 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 3: With Marlon Wains, is getting not great reviews. 484 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 4: That's been like it spans like the reviews seem to 485 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 4: be stuff stuff. It's like this is such a disappointment 486 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 4: to others being like it's so over the top that 487 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 4: it's kind of fun. Yeah, so I think this one 488 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 4: is probably a little bit more the eye of the beholder. 489 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 4: One quote I saw was quote Him is a patently 490 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 4: ridiculous movie. It is over the top, ultra can't be 491 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 4: hamstrung by a ludicrous religious metaphor and edited like a 492 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 4: TikToker was having a stroke while jabbing at effect buttons. 493 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 3: Kind of dug it, I'm on you know that way. 494 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 4: Like, Okay, it might be a little more experimental, or 495 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 4: you know, maybe I think because Jordan Peele's name is attached, 496 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 4: you're trying to be like this can't this certainly can't 497 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 4: be bad. 498 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: Right this like anytime they do this, they do this 499 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: where they take the name of a great director and 500 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: they say to you by and it's like not made. 501 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 2: By that person. 502 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: And sometimes that works, like with Tim Burton's The Nightmare 503 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: Before Christmas and The James and the Giant Peach are 504 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,719 Speaker 1: movies that everybody thought Tim Burton directed that he did not, right, 505 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: like he just you know, put put his name on 506 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: and like, I think those helped those movies. But I 507 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: think sometimes it's just, you know, it's not it's not 508 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: the movie that you would get from a Jordan Peele. 509 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 510 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 4: Well, I mean we know Jordan Peele apparently heads rolled 511 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 4: at his production company when they didn't get him the 512 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 4: rights to make weapons, so right, you know, look, it's 513 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 4: tough out there. Finally, though, this is something that we 514 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 4: talked about in jest. When the trailer came out Primitive War, 515 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 4: this was like like what if Vietnam War but dinosaurs 516 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 4: also in it? 517 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 2: That one. 518 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 4: The reviews like are really positive, really and yeah, like 519 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 4: on Slash Film they noted that the again this is tomatoes, 520 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 4: but they've noted that the audience score for Primitive War 521 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 4: has been higher than every Jurassic Park movie save the original, 522 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 4: which isn't like I mean, they're like the highest ones 523 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 4: are scoring around like the high seventies. But I think 524 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 4: the takeaway was like, this movie isn't completely hamstrung by 525 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 4: it having to like abide by the plot of Jurassic Park, 526 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 4: the reality of the Jurassic Park. 527 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 3: Movies where it's like they brought them back to life. 528 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 3: It's like, now these motherfuckers are out here. 529 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: So it's just a it's a world in which what 530 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: if dinosaurs still existed? 531 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 4: From what I understand, I don't know like what the 532 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 4: how they get there, but all I know is if 533 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 4: they're in the Vietnam War, Like, this isn't Jurassic Park anymore. 534 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: It's like it's just like nobody knows that the dinosaurs 535 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: are still around. Interesting, So it's not a world where 536 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: it's not just like it's the Vietnam War. Oh, also, 537 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: dinosaurs never went extinct. 538 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 2: It is. 539 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: The Vulture Squad is sent to an isolated jungle valley 540 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: to uncover the fate of a missing Green Beret platoon. 541 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: They soon discover they are not alone a they alone 542 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: island based on. 543 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, But I think I think what people like is 544 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 4: that because it's not a huge budget movie, it's still 545 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 4: there's like a little bit of like can't be fun 546 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,719 Speaker 4: to it, and I don't know like it. A lot 547 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 4: of people are just kind of like it's just different. 548 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 4: And I like dinosaurs, so great, there you go. I 549 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 4: like dinosaurs. 550 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 3: I like dinosaurs. 551 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, perfect, All right, Well those are some of the 552 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: things that are trending on this Thursday morning, uh, Thursday afternoon. 553 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: I guess when you when you guys listen to it. 554 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: We're back tomorrow with the whole ass episode of the 555 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: show with some fun uh some some fun stuff. We'll 556 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: be talking. 557 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,959 Speaker 2: About the uh Mark Zuckerberg's new medaglasses. Yeah, some light stuff, 558 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 2: you know, light stuff. 559 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 4: We all know ambiently, what's what's happening around us, So 560 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 4: maybe let's let's laugh at some oligarchs. 561 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: Will be talking about the Epsteam Files again. That feels 562 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: good because Cashpitel went down to the Gress and got 563 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: uh got his ship wrecked again. 564 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 3: Just flame grilled whopper. 565 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, all of that plenty more. So we'll talk to 566 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: y'all later. Until then, be kind to each other, be 567 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: kind to yourselves. Get your vaccines where you still can't 568 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: get your flu shots, got mine, don't do nothing about 569 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: white supremacy, and we will talk to you all tomorrow. 570 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 3: Bye bye. 571 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 4: The Daily Zeite guys as executive produced by Catherine Law. 572 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 3: Co produced by Bee Wayne, co produced by Victor Wright 573 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 4: Co written by j M McNab, and edited and engineered 574 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 4: by Brian Jeffries