1 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: What's up you guys are listening to a Velvet's Edge podcast. 2 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: This is Kelly and I'm here with my friend Phippy Pomerants. 3 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 1: We were just having a conversation because I'm like, that 4 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: is not a real name, Like, there's no way that's 5 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: your real name. I tell you what it actually is, 6 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: and I love it's short for Philippa, so um, you know, 7 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: being a children's book author, we can't really have as 8 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: one of my many things. We were just having a 9 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: conversation about how many things we both do. But it 10 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: was like Philippa had a little kid's book signing, not 11 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: so much. Pippy, on the other hand, makes everyone laugh 12 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: and so you can actually pronounce the name Pippy. I 13 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: feel like a little kid would be like, we could 14 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: not do it. So, okay, you mentioned the children's book thing, 15 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: and we'll get into a lot of that later. But 16 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: as you said, you have about ten jobs just like me, 17 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: so let's just kind of dabble into what those are 18 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 1: to introduce you to the people. But the first one 19 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: is a production company that's kind of where you got 20 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: your start, right completely okay lately, So what's the production 21 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: company called? So? PJ Pictures is huge production company. Um, 22 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: I got my start at USC Film School. Actually, so 23 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: that's how you ended up in l A. I'm still 24 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: in l A for people about it. Yeah, I went 25 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 1: to SC Film School, so that's how it all started. 26 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: So you knew you wanted to do this from the 27 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: get girl. I was making videos like like with all 28 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: my girlfriends, like with those cam quarters and it was 29 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: like I was that girl. But in Australia it wasn't 30 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: a job. So I said to mom and dad, I'm like, 31 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: I want to be a film director and they're like, yeah, 32 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: graphic designer maybe nothing right, But it was like no, no, no, 33 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: no no. But my parents couldn't quite wrap their heads around. 34 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: So it took me a little navigating to figure out 35 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: how that dream was going to happened. So I did 36 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: the London thing. I moved you kind of dipped your 37 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: toe in the big yeah. Yeah, and then ended up 38 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: in l A Film school. Wow. So with the production company, 39 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 1: Now you guys do huge shows. I mean y'all did 40 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: fashion bloggers in Sydney. So that was like a whole 41 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: reality show following multiple fashion bloggers, right, yeah, it was 42 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: we got it. We got in just at them, you know, 43 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: just the right time. Yeah, so I could actually still 44 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: get Instagram handle fashion bloggers, you know, I mean like 45 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: like you know, it was like, you know, I always 46 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: seem to miss you know, you missed that right, like 47 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: what's the next big thing? And actually we got we 48 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: got right in there. And so yeah, we followed five 49 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: fashion bloggers were all huge now and Harley what other 50 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: ones were happen? Harley, like Sarah only had like I 51 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: think it was like not even thirty k followers, Like, 52 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: oh my gosh. So we had huge now Huge. So 53 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: we had Mandy from Oracle Fox Carper, and Harley, m 54 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: Zanita Zanita Zanita, she's fabulous. She lives in New York now, 55 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: Margaret Lang who's like rock star photographer. Um. And we 56 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: have Kate Waterhouse who's sort of racing royalty. So yeah, 57 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: so it's all different styles of different girls. Um. And 58 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: it was so much fun. So we were on the globally, 59 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: um yeah, around the world, which is fantastic. We love 60 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: well and so and speaking of that, I mean we 61 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: know each other through christ and Cavaliery and you do 62 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: all of the uncommon James videos which are so good, 63 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: Like when she showed me the first one, I was like, 64 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: who did this? It's so beautiful? You know what it is? 65 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: I think because I've known Christian for I think since 66 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: eight she was eighteen. Like, we've known each other for 67 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: a long time, so I know you, I can see her, 68 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: so I feel like and you know her style. Yeah, 69 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: I just feel like we know each other so well. 70 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: So we're so comfortable. We've got that shorthand so we 71 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: can sort of get there really fast and get emotional, 72 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,679 Speaker 1: like she's just fabulous to work work with, totally um 73 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: and create with, you know, yeah, I mean doing that 74 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,559 Speaker 1: video back, it feels like ages ago with the brand, 75 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: not really right, Like, I mean, the brand has just exploded, right. 76 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: So that video their first video that we did to 77 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: the song Vapor, which is my friend's song Toby. Um. 78 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: How long ago? That was like a year and a 79 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: half ago probably, yeah, a couple of years for sure. 80 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: So what's your process with that? Like with when you 81 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: let's talk about that a little bit, the process that 82 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: you and Christopher maybe go to create. I think that's 83 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: so interesting because, like you said, you capture you really 84 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: capture her style. I think you really helped kind of 85 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: give the brand like a visual all aspect. So like 86 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: what goes into that From your side of it, it's 87 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: sort of I'd like to say that it is strategic 88 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: content creation because you've got to know where you want 89 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: to go, if that makes any sense. So the first 90 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: one that was really capturing behind the scenes, so it's 91 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: really stepping in. The photographer did such a beautiful job 92 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: that I just wanted to capture this dreamy Christian in 93 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: this beautiful feminine state because I think everyone sees her 94 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: doing everything, you know, all the other stuff in a 95 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: post babe and all that stuff, and I really wanted 96 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: to capture the pretty so and then let the jewelry 97 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: obviously speak for itself. Um, and then I thought black 98 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: and White was really and just having a hit of 99 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: color would be a really beautiful on trade for that, 100 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: and then read moving to the next one. The next 101 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: one was done in Nashville, and we really talked about 102 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: how important it was that it is a Nashville brand 103 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: and it's born in brand, it's born there, right, so 104 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: to get her fans and to get the consumers and 105 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: all her friends to see where she's from and put 106 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: that sort of the heartbeat into the into the brand. 107 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: So that's why we chose Nashville for the second one. Um, 108 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: and of course clothing being so important, you know, to 109 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: everything she does, and then she's such a fashion I 110 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: paster icon like I just about out how um and 111 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: just pairing that with the jewelry um was another thing too. 112 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: And having fall using all those beautiful colors. What people 113 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,799 Speaker 1: don't know is Kristen always she wants the fall campaign, 114 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: but it's since spring, so we're shooting. So it was 115 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: so funny. We're like, oh my gosh, it is hot 116 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: as in Nashville, and we're doing you can cuss on 117 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: here by the way I was going to say, and 118 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I go, I'm melting. How to 119 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: make this fall? You're really wearing sweaters? I was doing, 120 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. It was seriously And then then we 121 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: did the winter campaign at the same We shot at 122 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: the same time and literally had like an hour. I 123 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: was like, light the fireplace, get some crystal, you know, 124 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: put a Willie jumper on and a sweater, you know, 125 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: and and it was like so hot out. Its exactly 126 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: all that beautiful mystery of do you actually like you'll 127 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: hire a crew and then do you sit with Kristen 128 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: and you guys or whoever it is you're working with. 129 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: You guys bounced the ideas off each other, or do 130 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: you kind of come in and bring I start, I 131 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: come in and bring bring the idea? Yeah, a little bit, 132 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: because you know, I know. That's the beautiful thing about 133 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: having this shorthand with Christian is that because you know, 134 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: I like to were like sisters. You know, I called 135 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: her my sis because I know her so well, I 136 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: feel like I can save time and go, hey, listen, 137 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: here's this concept or this concept, which which do you like? 138 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: And we haven't had we haven't had a disagreement on 139 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: anything yet, like yet on the creative, but now it's 140 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: becoming out on common. James is such a brand and 141 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: huge would actually have to look back and go like 142 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: not look back, to look forward and go, how are 143 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: we going to actually like, who's the demo? We're going 144 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: to actually rather than go, yeah, I want to be creative, 145 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 1: let's just go and shoot something way more Yeah, And 146 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 1: now we've got to actually go, Okay, here's the demo, 147 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: what are we doing? What do people want? And it's 148 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: kind of crazy and kind of fun in the same way. 149 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: It's like a new challenge, which obviously you love new 150 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: challenges because so this is where you and I. We 151 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: were at dinner the other night, was listening to you talk, 152 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: and there's just a couple of things. I feel like 153 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: I gravitate towards you just naturally because you are just 154 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: like a good hearted person. You know that immediately. But 155 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: I was listening to you talk and I'm like, oh 156 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: my god, she does so many jobs just like I do. 157 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: And that's been a huge challenge for me lately, is 158 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: to try to figure out, like, am I doing the 159 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: right thing by taking new things on or am I 160 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: like overstretching myself and those kind of things. So you 161 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: have this production company, and then you've also started this 162 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: book line of amazing books, children's books that are meant 163 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: to inspire and empower girls. Talk a little bit about 164 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: Umbrella Girls. Okay, so the Umbrella Girls. Oh my gosh, 165 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: I love them so much. The Umbrella Girls eight girls 166 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: from around the world, um, and each have a different story. Um, 167 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 1: and basically that they I want them to be every 168 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: little girl's best friend. Um. The Umbrella Girls that they 169 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: have for sunshiny days and and um you know, um 170 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 1: rainy days. You know, the Umbrella Girls know that feeling 171 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: when you stand on her un under an umbrella and 172 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: some girlfriend comes under or a boyfriend, you just feel safe. 173 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: That's where that that's where the name came from. So 174 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: it's just about under the umbrella. Yeah, And I think 175 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: for me, UM, I've got an amazing partner, Allison, and 176 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: she's from the meditation world, so and she does a 177 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: lot of speak speaking at schools for self self improvements, 178 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: of empowerment UM for girls and UM and also boys 179 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: as well. But we're sort of focusing on the girl's 180 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: side of things and she's been amazing, So she's come 181 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: with the sort of knowledge on that side, and I 182 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: come in with my creativity to try and make it 183 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: a brand that actually will sell globally. Yeah, So it's 184 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: sort of my it's been my passion project and as 185 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: we all know, passion project. Yes, then the exactly you know, 186 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: and that's I mean, that's the thing, right, So I 187 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: know that you've got that many fingers in highs as well. 188 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: And it's true what you give life to, or what 189 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: you give attention to, Fring's brand's life. Right. So I sleep, 190 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: but I think of them at night. These like I said, 191 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: these girls want to come and break free. Anything. Yeah, 192 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 1: I mean, who knows where this is going to? Thank you? So, like, 193 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: what got you so inspired to go? Okay, I've got 194 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: to just I mean, obviously there's a huge movement happening 195 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: right now about empowering girls, Like I even started this 196 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: podcast and without like subconsciously, I've only had girls. And 197 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: then my psychic who is a gay man, who I'm like, 198 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: you're essentially a girl too. He's amazing. But I mean 199 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 1: I don't mean to do it, but I do think 200 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: we're in such a movement right now, Like there's all 201 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: these really strong women that I just want to showcase. 202 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: Is that kind of what inspired you? Or okay? Truth? Yeah? Truth? Okay. 203 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: So the truth is I've been trying to have a 204 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: baby for five years, so the girls have sort of 205 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: been my therapy in one sense, and writing about having yeah, 206 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: just creating these books have given me. It's my therapy 207 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: in one sense as well, because they've given me such 208 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: comfort trying to have they have a baby, and it's 209 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: been such a tough journey for us that, um, that's 210 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: why I just needed something that I could have control. 211 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: Does that makes sense? Total sense? Yeah, Like in the 212 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 1: film business, you're always pitching your ideas and TV you 213 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: always pitching and pitching and pitching, and the rejection is 214 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: so massive, and then you sort of compile that on 215 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: top of the lack of success having a baby. It's like, 216 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't what do I have control of? 217 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,599 Speaker 1: So that you got out of bed every day to 218 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: face that, right, and that's why I had to have. 219 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: These girls have kind of saved my life in one 220 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: sense because every bring me so much joy. Do you 221 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: feel like you were writing about empowering girls to empower yourself? 222 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: And actually, I think that's so It's so funny. I 223 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: connect with you so much because I started involved It's 224 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: edge after probably the hardest time in my life, when 225 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: I had gone through I say, a really bad breakup, 226 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: but that's not really giving a justice. I was engaged 227 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: and called off the wedding and all that. That means 228 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: the darkest time in my life. But like you said, 229 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: you find you find power and power totally in creativity, 230 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: like totally, I really believe that, and I really believe 231 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 1: I'm I've worked out that I'm not a depressed person. 232 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 1: I can understand that how people go there. That then 233 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: me it was like I've got to do. I go 234 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: the other way, and I've got to do more. You 235 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: know how you were saying about juggling, and we do 236 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: so much. I think we are the similar people like 237 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: that because I can't sit around and wallo hollow. It's 238 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: too depressing. Yeah, I'll wallow for a little bit. I 239 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't get me wrong. But then I'm like, 240 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: I gotta get out of here. I watch a Christmas 241 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: movie in Jian in July. In July, my friend I 242 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: do I thanks Christmas movie that hrew you out. I'm 243 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: not gonna lie my things. And I might have found 244 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving movies on Whole Martin. What they make Thanksgiving me 245 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: I don't even know about. Okay, I'm going to write 246 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: that you can call me so. I do love that though, 247 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: because in doing stuff like that, I feel like you 248 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: are you're kind of giving yourself the courage. And I 249 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: think we were talking this earlier. It's like in the 250 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: world of social media, everyone just looks like they have 251 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: their lives together or we put all of our best 252 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: stuff out there, and so when real life stuff happens 253 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: to you, a lot of times I find like I 254 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: don't even know how to navigate it, and that's what 255 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: these whole books are about. Like you guys are writing 256 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: stories about these girls. They saying, what what was the 257 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: one you were telling me earlier? Um, Zoe? So yeah, 258 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: so book too. She finds out she's going to be 259 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: a big sister. She's from Paris, La la um and 260 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: she she wants to be She dreams of being a photographer, 261 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: you know, like she her favorite accessories her camera. Um. 262 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: She gets told her world is everything's perfect. She lives 263 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: above a flowershop in Paris. Yeah right, and she's just 264 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: you know, she she is the single child. She's just 265 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: happy as and then she finds out she's going to 266 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: be a big sister. Well then life comes crashing down, right, 267 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: So she gets on her bike and on the weekend 268 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: she goes and find about what it's actually like, what 269 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: will it be like to be and she a big sister? 270 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: So she gets she becomes an investigator, debactor, journalists, which 271 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: is fun. Like she's sassy, she's brave, she's inquisitive. If 272 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: she's not, you know, she's not the girly girl. You know, 273 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: it's there's nothing wrong with that. But there's other girls 274 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: out there as well, you know, um, and then we 275 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: put it in a sort of a beautiful nine month 276 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: windows so that it's really the theme is change. So 277 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: you see the you know, you see four come about, 278 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: you see what winter come about. And she learns that actually, 279 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: like is going to be really cool with a big 280 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: has been a big sister, um and it's really you know, 281 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: you feel her. So there's so many different lessons. So 282 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: my god, I'm sitting here like I need to because 283 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: it's true. It's just about like getting to the new 284 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: acceptance of what your new life is going to be, 285 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: even when it could be better betimes, it's still so 286 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: scary to totally and we want I Mom's like you 287 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: know you've got it, like assume when you've become a mom, 288 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: Like you've got to read these books, you know what 289 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: I mean. Like some of them are so grabbed, like 290 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: that books. It's like you want to stick needles through 291 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: your eyes with some of the stuff that's out there. 292 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: And it's like, oh my god, the man of people 293 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: that I know that's seen the worst tunes like in 294 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: cal Oh gosh, oh gosh, please do you God. Maybe 295 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: I'm writing stuff to protect myself back or um, but 296 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: I think that that's the reality of life is like 297 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 1: we're all going to go through changes. We're all going 298 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: to face these obstacles, even just small ones. I mean, 299 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: like becoming a big sister does not sound like a 300 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: big dodd us now, but imagine when you're a kid 301 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: like you to start learning those lessons of acceptance and 302 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: how to like face different changes and challenges at a 303 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: young age. And also I just mean the people like 304 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: learning how to go to a new school and your country. 305 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: You know, I've been faced with that. I remember I 306 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: always went to a girls school, and I remember coming 307 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: to America and I walked into my first film class 308 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: and I had to stand up. I stood up and 309 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: I was like good morning to the teacher, and there 310 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: was guys, and I was like, oh my god, why 311 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: are the boys. I loved what you were saying earlier 312 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: about that that teaching people how to navigate through the change, 313 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: and that the girl is like responsible for learning that 314 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: how to do it for herself. Yeah, it's I mean, 315 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: that's the most important thing, right Like I'm like we 316 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: said before, I've had to pick myself off the ground 317 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 1: because of you know, personal stuff with a baby, baby 318 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: and lack there off um, and I think that if 319 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: you can learn the tools to survive and be inquisitive 320 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: and grave and courageous when you're three years old, I 321 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: think that we could have a successful tribe of girls 322 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: that are we are raising to really stand up for 323 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: themselves and never have this bullshit that's happening at the moment. 324 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: Like I don't understand how so many women have come 325 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: forward only now, like it's do you know what I mean? 326 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: Like it's kind and I think it's enough. I think 327 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,239 Speaker 1: that it's totally I think we're the new generation of 328 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: girls will never have to go through that well, right 329 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: because also we weren't trained to think that way until now. 330 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: And like I do think there's so much TV and 331 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: there's so so many other messages out there that are saying, 332 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: like you need to find a man to rescue you 333 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 1: and to provide for you, and it's just now starting 334 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: to happen where we're going. Wait, Like I want a 335 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: man in my life. I want of family my life. However, 336 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: I can still be successful, I can still love myself, 337 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: I can still succeed in life completely without that, which 338 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: I mean for me is an empowering message. It's hard. 339 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: It's hard out there to be a single girl. It's 340 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: hard not to have a family. But when it's something 341 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: you want, you know, you're at a grade and you know, 342 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: in my situation, I live without my husband right a 343 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: lot of the year. Right, he lives in Australia. Right, 344 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: it's sort of note to self and successful marriage. So 345 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,719 Speaker 1: maybe you haven't figured, but nobody. I've got a man 346 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: that supports me in my dream, right, So that's what 347 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: you want, like, right, And if we can teach the 348 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: girls to stand up for themselves, have a voice and 349 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: not just settle and get married to get Mary exactly. 350 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: And you know, have your mom walk you down the aisle. 351 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: You don't have to have your dad walking down aisle, right, 352 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: like the boss. So these are the that's the sort 353 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: of the premise of all these books. What's next for 354 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: Umbrella Girls to know? Or is it kind of in 355 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: the world. Well, we've got We're just finished an animation Sizzle. 356 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: So what's this sizzle? Because that's lingo we know, but 357 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: a lot of people might not know that. So Sizzle 358 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: is just sort of a teaser at two minutes, sort 359 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: of a taste of what what the TV show could become. Um, 360 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: I've written a song with my friend Toby up songwriter dream. 361 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: It's really I'm a Polish poetry people. That's the list two. 362 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: But yeah, no, but it's all about hip hopping on 363 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: a rainbow and pirouetting on a dream. But it's all 364 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: about it's really, you know, the next generation of girl power, 365 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: because you know, there's something beyond girl power and sort 366 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: of not it's more than that. It's totally because there's 367 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: one to me because I think that girl power is 368 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: being misinterpreted. It's like, it's not male bashing like that 369 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: we meant should be built up too. They're great too, 370 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: Like I think the girl power is about loving yourself 371 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: and owning your own power work, and that's it. It 372 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: doesn't mean bringing anyone else a great a thousand percent. 373 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: And it also doesn't have to be pink. Yes, you know, 374 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: it could be black, it could be gray. You're a silver, yeah, 375 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: it could be be on, it could be whatever you 376 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: whatever you are. It's about owning yourself. It's exactly right. Okay, 377 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 1: So not to bring this down at all, but we 378 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,959 Speaker 1: did talk a little bit about what happened to you 379 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: and what you're kind of currently going through with this 380 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: child stuff, and I think that that you're open to 381 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: talking about it, which is huge. So can you kind 382 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: of tell people a little bit about your story. You're 383 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: the first person and I've been able to do I 384 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: have done this with So here we go. Okay, we'll 385 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: see what happens. We may both be crying that you 386 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: got me. Um, So Joshi and I, my husband and 387 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: I've been trying to have a baby for five years 388 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: and as Christian will be able to attest to this, 389 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: this is been going on since perpost, so that's a 390 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: long time. It's a long time. So, Um, I tried, 391 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: I've tried to carry a baby. I've tried, I've done 392 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: We've done everything. So but I've had eight mis carriages myself, 393 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: which is kind of bananas in its own thing. So 394 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: I've I started. We started off in Australia and then 395 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: my doctor in Australia was like, listen, I think you 396 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: should go to America because there's there's so much more 397 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: that we could do. They can do in America because 398 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: surrogacy is illegal still in Australia. Really yeah, Like it's 399 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: another yeah, So it's not yeah, we can't, we don't. 400 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: You can't be a surrogate in Australia. So for us, 401 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 1: it was like every time a cycle didn't work, I 402 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: was always like just sort of felt alone, and I 403 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: knew it was left. I was like left going what 404 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: do I do? Do I go? But so anyway, so 405 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: after that, I had four miscarriages in Australia and then 406 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: we went to UM San Diego to the Ideas clinic 407 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: there because because it was had a relationship with my doctor. Okay, 408 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: I should have thought that fruit because I was like, yeah, 409 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: I want to John, I'll be in San Diego. It'll 410 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: be fine. Yeah, I'm still driving the Sandiego th Yeah. 411 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: To sell that's a whole another thing. Um. So yeah, 412 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: So we went to the clinic in San Diego and 413 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: I we we have eggs, and that the great thing 414 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: is with them. They were like, listen, we just need 415 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: to get your eggs out. So we did a multiple cycles. 416 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: So I think that's really important when any woman is 417 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: looking at their eggs and I just do one cycle. Really, 418 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: you know, and just if you own, you've got to 419 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: get like twenty eggs in your bank. Really, Yeah, this 420 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: is good. Yeah, you know I'm thinking about freezing. I'm 421 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: I'm your egg woman. Honestly, because the thing is is 422 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: at once you think you've got all these years ahead 423 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: of you, every cycle takes six months, like so they 424 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like so the cock 425 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: that baby clock takes over. So I mean I said, 426 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: how old are you? Is that? Like is that putting 427 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: you on the spot? Sorry, well, I'm just curious because 428 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: of eggs stuff like this. It's like yeah, so I 429 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: have Yeah, so okay, we'll see at that part. We'll 430 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: edit that out, Like how honest you didn't want to 431 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: be honest to do it as honest as you're comfortable. 432 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: I've been thirty eight for a couple of you Okay, Well, 433 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: I was just wondering if that's a factor in the 434 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: egg So you've got basically you've got to be um, 435 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: you've got to sort of get your eggs out by 436 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: thirty seven thirty eight to have the best quality, right, Okay, 437 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: So you know, I like I said, I've been thirty 438 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: eight for a couple of years. Yeah, just so, but 439 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: the doctor said, like, just we've got to keep going, 440 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: okay going, So that was the most important thing for us. 441 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: And then we then it was like we got the 442 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 1: eggs tested and half of them the embryo's tested and 443 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 1: then half of them didn't work. Yeah, so then you're like, 444 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: holy crap, that's the next thing that people don't tell 445 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:22,959 Speaker 1: you test your embryos. Right. So so then it was 446 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: like we just went through the next couple of cycles 447 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: and it just wasn't working. And my job was like, 448 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. Literally, he was even 449 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: ad like nobody knew there was nothing wrong. There was 450 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: nothing that just wasn't sticking. How frustrating. So then we 451 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: were like, okay, so what do we do? So we 452 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: went ended up going and getting a sarrogate um. And 453 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: there's many people have heard probably watching the kind of 454 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: a shuts um. Sorry to see. It's not that easy, 455 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: like in terms of you know, it's a financial pressure um. 456 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: It's also matching with someone. It's like online dating really 457 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: oh yeah, because you're talking to them every day. So 458 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: Josh and I went to this random Hamburger place. Of 459 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 1: course it's Hamburgers because it's Joshi um and had hamburgers 460 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: with these people. It was like a blood double date, 461 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: but it was blind and they're actually going to potentially 462 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: carry your child. It's like it's crazy, right, Yeah, And 463 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: she had a beer and I remember going, oh, that 464 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: doesn't maybe work, and she goes and then she goes, 465 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: it's my last one, because you know, so I was like, okay, 466 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: cool um. But they ended up being lovely. I mean, look, 467 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: it's amazing what they It's a gift are They're going 468 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: to carry a baby like la It's craziness. Um. And 469 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: we did the transfer and we got pregnant the first 470 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: time with twins, so we were super super super excited 471 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: and the pregnancy went perfectly perfectly. Um and m hmm. 472 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: And then out of the blue, I was actually going 473 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: to have coffee with Kristen in the morning and I 474 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: had I was shooting. I had just shot the common 475 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: James Spring in Malibu, and Mom and I the day 476 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: before we're talking about double strollers and lah lah and 477 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: we were twenty two weeks in six days. Um. And 478 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: I got a random text in the morning and she's 479 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: from our surrogate and she said, I just I've had 480 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: a little bleeding, I'm cramping a little bit. I'm just 481 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: gonna go to the hospital. And I walked into Mom 482 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: and I was like, do you think I should go down? 483 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: She was like, you're here, why don't you just go down. Wow, 484 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: that was the end of it all. Like I couldn't 485 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: believe it. Like I got to the hospital and I 486 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: literally walked in into it was like a war zone. 487 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: That's the only way to describe it, because you just 488 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: so not expect. I was just like we were talking 489 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: on the way down and she was like, they'll just 490 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: put her on bed rest. Remember we're twenty two weeks 491 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: and we're six days, like twenty four weeks. It's only 492 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: a week and one day fro when babies cancer and 493 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: um and there was it's like ten am in the morning, 494 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: and I had nurses, I had the specialists talking at me, 495 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: and I was just screaming. I was like, mm hmm, 496 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: I don't understand what's happening. What do you mean? What 497 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: do you mean? And the baby's heartbeats were fine, and 498 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: then I was holding her hand and her water broke 499 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: at like one pm. It was all over, and so 500 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: then we had to wait and she she gave birth 501 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: to Park, her first um and I cut his umbilical 502 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: cord and I we did skin to skin with him 503 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: and he was alive for fifty six minutes with me, 504 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: and then it was time for Allie and um, she 505 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: she was little up. It was it was really brutal. 506 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: And then cutting the end cord and I was just like, 507 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: I can't believe after everything that I've gone through that 508 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: I'm not losing one baby. I just like losing two. 509 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: It's like, are you kidding me? Um? And then we 510 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: the nurses were so amazing. They put both of them 511 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: on my arms and they took their last breath on me, 512 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: and I was like, I just couldn't believe it was 513 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: my life, you know, after all these years, um, and 514 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: I had to go home. You know, it's like and 515 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: all my dreams were crushed right there. And then so 516 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: it's taken. It took me long time, a little bit looping. 517 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: I had to call Josh too. He was in the 518 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: Sydney so I didn't tell him as she was pushing 519 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: to go go into labor. He was getting on a 520 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: plane from Australia and I had to tell him at 521 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: l a X that the babies didn't survive. That was 522 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: so fucked, so fucked. And that was January eleven this year. Um, 523 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: how have you? I mean, we're both grinding. Sorry sorry, 524 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: I mean this story and to me, there's the whole 525 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: like I don't understand. I have a really hard time 526 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: sometimes because I'm like, this just isn't fair, Like you guys, 527 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: have you been There's so much why would happen? But 528 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: what so? What did you do? Like? How do you 529 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: get out of bed? So this is what I did. 530 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: I I spent two weeks on the floor just not knowing. 531 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: And then I think we were talking about this before. 532 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,719 Speaker 1: I felt so alone and I lost my voice and 533 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a talker. I love a chat a little 534 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: chet so when my voice wasn't I couldn't speak. I 535 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: was like, I don't know how to tell friends. So 536 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: I did an Instagram post and that's how I told people. 537 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: And it was just because you couldn't find the word. 538 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,479 Speaker 1: I couldn't find the words, and I didn't know what 539 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: to do and I couldn't. I like, I sent an 540 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: email with the same post out to my close friends, 541 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: but it was the response was so overwhelmingly beautiful that 542 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: it was intense to start with because it was constant. 543 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: But then there was such love and I felt this 544 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: global vibration. And I know that sounds so hokey, but 545 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: I felt so supported. I felt so supported once I 546 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: posted that, and I don't know what it was, but 547 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: it just it was like I sort of exhaled and 548 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: I was like, why I can get through this. We 549 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: have opened yourself up for connection. I also opened myself 550 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: up for the other stuff too. I don't know. I 551 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: felt I was so nervous that the I would get 552 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: like someone going you shouldn't have done that, But I 553 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: didn't get any of that. I have women have DMed 554 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: me from around the world that have gone I've been 555 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: through this, I've you know, and then given given their 556 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: words of encouragement of people saying I have never been 557 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: able to say say out loud that what I've gone through. 558 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: So there's really really a gap of been honest about 559 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: what we've going through because we go through so much, 560 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: everyone trying to do it all right right. And I 561 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: don't know why with miscarriages and losing babies, why that's 562 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: the last thing we talk about. I don't either, because 563 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: as you're telling the story, I'm thinking you know of 564 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: had a couple of friends go through similar things, and 565 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, well, y'all need to tek hot because 566 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: I do think there's such a power in knowing that 567 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: you're not alone, and that just hearing someone else say 568 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: exactly what you felt and think is so powerful and healing, 569 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: and I just and healing for everyone. So what I 570 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 1: did was I just was like, I can't, I cannot 571 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: leave this be. So I my husband and I, um, 572 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: you know, I've created a charity. We created a charity 573 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: called Pom Poms and start us so cute. I love that, 574 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: and I wanted us to be I wanted it not 575 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: to feel like a heavy charity, and I wanted it 576 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: to feel like we're going to be your biggest cheerleaders, 577 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: you know. Um. And I've written a song called Mother 578 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 1: of Angels. Love this and all the money that we're 579 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: recording it in two weeks and all the money from 580 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: that will go into the charity. And then what I'm 581 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: going to do. We were going to do our own charity, 582 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: but what we're going to do is link into and 583 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: now they're established charity because I just want the money 584 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: to go to the right, right area, you know what 585 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: I mean. I feel like the right area is people 586 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,399 Speaker 1: women like myself that needs support because I think that 587 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: they were known as intended parents, and I think that 588 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 1: we're the forgotten people like in terms of I think 589 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: going through the surreguacy journey. You don't you're not actually 590 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: having the baby, so all the focus goes to there, 591 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: and I've been left on the wings here and that's 592 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,720 Speaker 1: what I'm getting the feedback. So it's been nice taking 593 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: the book, taking figuring out how we're going to help, 594 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: but it's support groups and just also giving people like 595 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: some money so that they can I haven't worked like 596 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,240 Speaker 1: you don't because you can just you're in chom because 597 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: there's just way. So it's really, it's really it's been 598 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: great throwing myself into that amazing well and then the 599 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: books empowering girls and what else is in your plan? 600 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: Do you have? Here? It is Here's where we leave 601 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: with a little bit of hope. Give it to us, 602 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: bring us the home very exactly because I ain't leaving this. 603 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:30,720 Speaker 1: So what I do? We very quickly decided that I couldn't. 604 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: I personally could not leave Ellian Parker's name in vain 605 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: and be depressed because we're not going to be parents. 606 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: So I went back to the surrogacy. Have been amazing, 607 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: go back to my lawyer. Um we hired another sorree. Okay, 608 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 1: I'm currently sixteen weeks sot um so it's crazy, and 609 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: I think of Elian Parker in my heart. I just 610 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: I told you over, just do some reiky this morning, 611 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: connect with everything and really start celebrating the happiness and 612 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: enjoy I've been sixteen weeks pregnant, amazing, and it's the 613 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: first time I'm can smile and look at you in 614 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: the eyes and go, we're pregnant. Yes, we're pregnant. Even 615 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 1: though the night you were having a harder time talking 616 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: about I know, really she really worked me out. But 617 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: like I just you know, and that's with your listeners. 618 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 1: I just want there is hope, Like yeah, you just 619 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: gotta get up. You've got to shower one foot in 620 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 1: front of the other and just know there's women out 621 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,959 Speaker 1: there like me that have been through it and there 622 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: are nobody's alone, you know what I mean? Totally? Yes, 623 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: So where can the people do? You? Guys have like 624 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 1: a website set up for this charity. Okay, and I'm 625 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: gonna link all of the song Davis Combos say anything, 626 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,720 Speaker 1: So it's pom poms and start us um dot com 627 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: dot com. Yes, so we're there, um and you know 628 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: there'll be We're going to do every event. It's going 629 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: to be under the Stars. Yeah, so we're going to 630 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:07,240 Speaker 1: do an outdoor movie and the launch of the song. Um, 631 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,720 Speaker 1: so that's going to be stage tremed. I'll let you know, okay, 632 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: but it'll probably on the website there, right, Yeah, you 633 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: guys on social media? Yeah, yeah, we're on social media. 634 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: So is it at palm Palms and starters? I love that? 635 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: And then where can people find the books? Because I know, 636 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,760 Speaker 1: I know a lot of moms and you listening thinking 637 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,839 Speaker 1: any of this, and I think everyone does, especially girl 638 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: Mom's thank you, thank you so books. Books are online 639 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: at the momentum. We are doing a whole print run 640 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: before Christmas okay, yeah, the holidays. So and there's a 641 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: coloring in page. Ok so, yes, so that's um, that's 642 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,800 Speaker 1: what the umbrella goes, the Umbrella dot com. Yeah. Um. 643 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,240 Speaker 1: And then what's next for you production wise? All these jobs? 644 00:38:52,200 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 1: Guess what probably Uncle and j all right, isn't too 645 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: a very cavalerous Yeah, I think you know, I've got 646 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: a few things on the boil, but you know, again, 647 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,959 Speaker 1: just focusing focusing on the projects that I love. Yeah, 648 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: because I think that if you give you know, it's 649 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: just about being at this point in my life it's 650 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: about doing what you love, working with friends and just 651 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 1: laughing all the way. We speaking of laughing, we should 652 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: talk about the scene you were featured on Very Cavalarrys 653 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: you and Christen talking about and GQ article that Jay 654 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,280 Speaker 1: Red if anyone if you want to know what Pippy 655 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: looks like? Literally, that was the best. Oh my gosh, 656 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 1: so I did that. That was That was after Alian 657 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,919 Speaker 1: Parker actually, and it was the first time. It's four 658 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: months in and I looked at that and I'm like, 659 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 1: I was a little bloated there, but I didn't know. 660 00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,120 Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite scenes. We're talking about of 661 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: pleasuring a woman. Yeah, and the stuff that got cut out, 662 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: which I'll say again, I was like, hey, Hoppy, you 663 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,359 Speaker 1: need to get that out. I think every day needs 664 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: to go read this g Q article. Well, ask Christen 665 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: for the lake totally. She's smiling all the way right, Sorry, 666 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: how mess me doing something right? Amens at that. I 667 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: just love you so much. Thank you for doing this 668 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 1: with me. It's been a pleasure. Thank you so much. 669 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 1: I feel like we could talk for it really good. 670 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: Like I said, you guys, I'm not like everything on 671 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,280 Speaker 1: valvisides dot com. So you can find out more about 672 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 1: all of Pipe's adventures there, and um, I can't wait 673 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 1: to hear about everything. In sixteen weeks. Here we go. Okay, 674 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: here we go. I can phoney and I'll phone. Yeah seriously, 675 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: oh my god, everyone's gonna want another. We'll do it. 676 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 1: We'll do an update, all right, Thanks so much for listening, 677 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,399 Speaker 1: you guys, We'll see you later.