1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: All media. Hey everybody, Robert here, I wanted to let 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: you know that two of our hosts at Zeitron of 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Better Offline and Molly Conger of Weird Little Guys, are 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: in the running to win the Webbys right now, or 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: to win Webbys in their respective categories. If you just 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: google their names at Zeitron, Webby Webby or Molly Conger Webby, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: you can find them and vote for them. There will 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: be links in the show notes as well, Sophia, you'll 9 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: put them in, so please do vote for them. 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the show. It's me James today 11 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 2: and I am joined by Garrison Davis. Hi, Garrison, Hello. Hello. 12 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: Garrison has just said some words about something that's happening 13 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 2: on social media that I don't understand, and it's made 14 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: me feel very old. That's what's happening today in my world. 15 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 2: It's very sad. We're gathered here today to talk about 16 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: the earthquake in Mianma. Right. I think most of you 17 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 2: will probably have been made aware of the earthquake. Click. 18 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: It's somewhat odd that corporate media has really not reported 19 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: on the revolution in any substantial way since twenty twenty one, 20 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 2: but the earthquake apparently justified a lot of network sending 21 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: people to Meamma for the first time. Very amusingly, people 22 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: dming me on Blue Sky and Twitter asking how to 23 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: get a visa from the Burmese hunter, which is not 24 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 2: a thing I've ever done. The last communication I had 25 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: with them came in the form of a car bomb 26 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: that they said of near to a place where we were. 27 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: But if you're not aware, the earthquake happened on the 28 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: twenty eighth of March of this year, just before one 29 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 2: in the afternoon. It was the biggest earthquake in Meanma. 30 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: So it's nineteen twelve and it registered seven point seven 31 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: on the Richter scale, which is huge because it's it's 32 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: very hard for foreign journalists to get a visa to 33 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: enter Memba. The initial reporting focused on Bangkok and the 34 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: damage done in Thailand, but the epithet was in Sagang, 35 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: which is near Mandalay, Madelade's second biggest city in Memba, 36 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: and that was where like the worst of the destruction happened. 37 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 2: Almost every street in Mandalay has collapsed buildings. It's a 38 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: little difficult for us to get a sense of the 39 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: exact scale of the damage because the Hunter refuses to 40 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: allow some media has been allowed in the BBC. I 41 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 2: saw like sneaked somebody in It's very difficult for media 42 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: to move and report freely. And in addition to this, 43 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 2: the Hunter has continued to practice of cutting off Internet 44 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: for people in Mema right. 45 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 3: Even during like emergency situations. 46 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, especially during emergency. They've cut it off like 47 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: as a response to this because I guess they perceive 48 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 2: it to be something that makes them look weak. This 49 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: is a tendency that the Hunter has displayed before. So 50 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight, cyclone Nagas affected Mema and 51 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: killed over one hundred and thirty thousand people, and they 52 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 2: blocked international aid. They said that people didn't need the 53 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 2: quote chocolate bars that the US and other countries were 54 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: trying to deliver, and that they could exist by like 55 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 2: hunting frogs in ditches, was their suggestion. I don't think 56 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 2: people realize like how far down the North Korea scale 57 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: the Burmese Hunter is, but like they're very worried that 58 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 2: any interaction with the outside world, specifically with like I 59 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 2: guess western neoliberal powers will be damaging for their like 60 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: ability to control the population. So for that reason, we 61 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: don't know how many people have died. Right from what 62 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: I've heard on the ground, the death toll is substantially 63 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: higher than the three thy six hundred number being reported. 64 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: The US Geological Survey estimated that an earthquake of that 65 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 2: magnitude in that region would kill between ten and one 66 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 2: hundred thousand people. Obviously, that's quite a big kind of 67 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: delta there. What I can tell you is that I've 68 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: heard firsthand that there are some parts of mandolines A 69 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 2: going where the stench of rotting bodies is so powerful 70 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: that people have stopped returning to their homes. There have 71 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: been so many after shocks that people are still sleeping 72 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: in the street because they're worried about the damage structures 73 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: falling down. The UN has an estimate of seventeen million 74 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: people across fifty seven townships. Townships are like the administrative 75 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 2: districts that are used in miannber a bit affected, with 76 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: over nine million people facing severe hardship. And of course 77 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: this is all compounded by the fact that there were 78 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: already twenty million people in Mianba who needed humanitarian assistance, 79 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 2: and they're about three and a half million internally displaced 80 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: people as a result of the fighting that's happened after 81 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 2: the revolution, So like it really came at a pretty 82 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 2: difficult time in a place where the government is not 83 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: willing to They said after the earth quake, they wanted 84 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: international aid, but they've, as we'll see later in this script, 85 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: they've only accepted it from certain countries. I spoke to 86 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: a friend who has family in Mandalay yesterday. He told 87 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 2: me that they the way they're assessing the damage is 88 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 2: using like open source intelligence. They're trying to look in 89 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: the backgrounds of people's videos on Facebook to like work 90 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: out if their childhood homes fell down. Right, They were 91 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: using satellite imaging software when I spoke to them yesterday 92 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 2: to try and ascertain if their families were okay. They 93 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 2: told me or Sagang has very famous pagodas, and the 94 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: pagodas are all on a hill. Apparently a lot of 95 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: those pagodas have fallen down, and even the hill itself 96 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: is like listing. So there's been like massive cultural damage 97 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 2: as well. Another way in which the damage was compounded 98 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 2: by Miamma's politics was the quake struck Like I said, 99 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 2: at one pm on a Friday, right which is Friday prayers. 100 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 2: This happened during Ramadans, particularly the day before it'll fitter, 101 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: which is a very busy day for mosques if you're 102 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: not aware. Right, successive governments of Memma since the nineteen 103 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 2: sixties have refused to allow even basic maintenance for moses. 104 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 2: That means that these buildings were in great states of disrepair, right, Memma, 105 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: there is an alternationalist Buddhist movement which has been embraced 106 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: to a great degree by the Hunter, but also limited 107 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: even like the National League for Democracy, which was the 108 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 2: relatively neo liberal aligned party that had previously been in 109 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: power in Myanma or somewhat in power. I suppose alternationalist 110 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: Buddhist monks like Ashin Wurathu and his nine six nine 111 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: movement have kind of condemned anythink that they did as 112 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: making them pro Muslim And they have this essentially they 113 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: have a great replacement theory, right, that Muslims are trying 114 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: to come in through Bangladesh to replace Buddhists in Mianma. 115 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, lots of people here have this like very orientalist 116 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 3: perspective of like Buddhism TM as this like you know, 117 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 3: like like like peaceful blah blah blah blah blah, and 118 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 3: like no, like Buddhism, like every religion has a variety 119 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 3: of sex. Yes, and the Buddhist nationalist set can be 120 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: particularly nasty. 121 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean as vicious as any other people I'm 122 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 2: sure will be familiar with their Hindi genocide and like 123 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: there are a lot of monks that supported that, including 124 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: We're Atheurism most notable one, but there are plenty more, right, 125 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: and they're part of the I mean he's he's literally 126 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 2: explicitly expressed, like how much he looks up to the 127 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 2: English Defense League Jesus. Yeah, yeah, Like these are people 128 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: who like they are part of this global nativist movement. 129 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: People's orientalism, I think sometimes stops him seeing that or 130 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: appreciating that this extends outside of like white global North countries. Yeah. 131 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: One thing that I did think that that really touched 132 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: me in the days after the earthquake was young Buddhist Bamar, 133 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: people of the majority ethnicity, reaching out to me and 134 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: being like, hey man, this happened in Friday prayers to Ramadan, 135 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: and it has devastated the Muslim population, Like thousands of people, 136 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 2: hundreds of mosques have gone and thousands of people are 137 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: trapped in a rubble and like no one's talking about it? 138 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: Why is no we're talking about it? This is terrible 139 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: and like it would have been inconceivable to hear young 140 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: Bama Buddhist people so concerned with the well being of 141 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: like their Muslim countrymen before the coup in twenty twenty one. 142 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: This was a country that had been manufacturing consent for 143 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:22,559 Speaker 2: genocide against its Muslim minorities for four or five years 144 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: by that point, right specifically on Facebook. That's a behind 145 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: the bath this episode on this you can also listen 146 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 2: if you're new to the show. Robert and I have 147 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: made two scripted series about the revolution in me Amma, 148 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: which will include in the show notes. But like that 149 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 2: change to a real genuine solidarity and care between these 150 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 2: two groups was really touching in the like moments after 151 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: the earthquake, in the dates after the earthquake. When we 152 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: come back, I want to talk a little bit more 153 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 2: about the revolution and I want to talk about how 154 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 2: the revolution has been responding to this and the impact 155 00:08:54,360 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: has had on the revolution. We are back, and of 156 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 2: course the revolution hasn't stopped because of the earthquake. Right, 157 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 2: the conflict is still ongoing, and the PDFs and their 158 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: allied ethnic bsiness organizations are still fighting against the Hunter. 159 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 2: In fact, within an hour of the earthquake, the Hunter 160 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 2: began using paramotors to drop bombs on Hangule village and Sagang. 161 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 2: This has been a thing that they've started to do recently. 162 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: In a sense, I guess it's a good sign because 163 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 2: it shows that maybe their jets and other aircraft are 164 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: in a poor state of repair, or that they're struggling 165 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: to keep enough of them airborne. Initially, I wondered if 166 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: they were using the paramotors because their runways have been damaged, 167 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 2: but there doesn't seem to be the case. They've been 168 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,599 Speaker 2: striking just as much as they ever did, which is unfortunate. 169 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,599 Speaker 2: Satellite images or reports of my source on the ground 170 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: suggests that they're able to continue carrying out bombing rates 171 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 2: at a pretty similar rate from when they did before. 172 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 2: Despite this, the National Unity Government, which is kind of 173 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: the shadow government composed mostly of people who are elected 174 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: and then deposed by the coup in twenty twenty one 175 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 2: and the PDF who in theory are commanded by the 176 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 2: National Unity Government, called a two week ceasefire right after 177 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 2: the earthquake to allow for like a humanitarian pause. The 178 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: Three Brotherhood Alliance, which is an alliance of the three 179 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 2: month powerful ethnic resistance organizations in Myanmar, also called what 180 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 2: they called a humanitarian pause for a month. In both 181 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 2: cases they said they wouldn't undertake offensive operations, but they 182 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 2: would defend themselves right because I think they had a 183 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: CeNSE that the Hunter wasn't going to stop attacking them. 184 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: The Hunter did declare its own ceasfire on April third, 185 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: and the Kachin In Dependence Army, which is another ethnic 186 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 2: residence organization, followed shortly thereafter. Notably, that ceasefire from the 187 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: Hunter came the day after its troops fire on a 188 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 2: Chinese Red Cross convoy, which is not a great look 189 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 2: for them. 190 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 3: No, never love to see that. 191 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't love to see people firing on the 192 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: Red Cross. This is especially bad for the Hunter because 193 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 2: China has been growing closer and closer to the Hunter 194 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: and supporting it. China's had this weird back and forth 195 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 2: relationship with the Revolution. At times it supported the revolution, 196 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 2: it seems like just supporting the me and my National 197 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: Democratic Alliance Army, which is a group that broke off 198 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: the Communist Party of Burma in the nineteen eighties. 199 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 3: That yeah, that makes sense. 200 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's also the United War State Army, which isn't 201 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 2: part of the revolution, which is that which has the 202 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: strongest relationship with the PSC, and they're just chilling. They 203 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 2: haven't really entered the conflict. 204 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 3: It's called straight chillin. By the way, Jane, straight chillin. 205 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. That's how you say it. I 206 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: marked myself out yet again, straight chillin the United War 207 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: State Army, Thank you, Charrison. Actually it spoke to some 208 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 2: Cardridge from the Burmese Communist Party. The Communist Party of 209 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: Burma re entered after twenty twenty one, and like they're 210 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 2: not focusing on like proselytizing the Maoist gospel to people. 211 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 2: They're focusing on like fighting the hunter and like developing alliances. 212 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 2: And it's kind of it's interesting to see where that 213 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: will go. Given Marcus Leninism MAUS and is definitely not 214 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 2: the majority ideology the revolution. Most people are committed to 215 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 2: some form of federal democracy, which when you speak to 216 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 2: different fighters, varies from like we want what you guys 217 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 2: have in the US to something more akin to the 218 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 2: democratic con federalism that people might be familiar with in 219 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 2: ra Java. China is competing with Russia in me and 220 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 2: mar So both of them are interested in supporting the 221 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 2: Hunter right like, and obviously both their ideologies are far 222 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 2: from the liberatory. They're interested in propping up a totalitarian state. 223 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 2: So we have seen both Russia and China send support 224 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 2: to the Hunter, send like rescue teams after the earthquake. Meanwhile, 225 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: the US offered two million dollars, which I was kind 226 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 2: of surprisingly offered. 227 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 3: Any think that is low key surprising considering Yeah, Mark Rubio. 228 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, well I think Rubio is more of a 229 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 2: like slightly Rubio is a neocon. 230 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess like it makes sense Mark Rubio like 231 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 3: five years ago. Yeah, it doesn't make sense. Like post 232 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 3: like you said, being gutted, They're like, oh, you're still 233 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 3: doing that kind of stuff. Huh. Yeah, there's like a 234 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 3: weird like mix of things because because yes, like a 235 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 3: traditional neo con style Rubio. This this tracks but all 236 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 3: of the movements that the Trump administration has been doing 237 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 3: more recently. This seems like it seems like some kind 238 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 3: of dei shenanigans if you ask. 239 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, actually they added another seven million later nine million 240 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: which is, yeah, it's not a lot of money compared 241 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 2: to what we would normally expect. 242 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 3: And at the same. 243 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: Time they did it, three USAID workers, at least three, 244 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 2: I should say three that I'm aware of, were laid off, 245 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 2: like literally they received emails telling them that they no 246 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 2: longer had a job while they were on the ground 247 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: assisting earthquake survivors. 248 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 3: Department of Government Efficiency strikes again. 249 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 2: Highly efficient, will send you the money and then also 250 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: put out our own people who I guess are supervising 251 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: how the money has spent or would be. It definitely 252 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 2: shows though, like a strategic shift in the region China 253 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 2: and Russia. China obviously is interested in Memma because of 254 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 2: its rare earth metals, because of jade China has originally 255 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 2: had a lot of jade trade with mean Ma, and 256 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 2: then because it controls a large amount of seafront right, 257 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: which which China wouldn't want to fall into like way 258 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: it would see as like someone with adversarial interests. Russia 259 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 2: is still interested in just kind of projecting itself as 260 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 2: a global power, even as it continues to shrink of 261 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 2: every day in terms of its global ability to project power. 262 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 2: But there definitely are both Chinese and Russian assistance helping 263 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 2: the Miamma Hunter. Now, meanwhile, the US doesn't seem to 264 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 2: give a shit what happens here now like this is 265 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 2: kind of not that it by the administration was doing 266 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 2: very much either, but at least we had USAID and 267 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 2: USIP was very invested in MEMR and actually did a 268 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: really good job of kind of almost like being the 269 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 2: Foreign Affairs not branch, but they explained the revolution to 270 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 2: the world, like whenever a journalist wanted to understand the 271 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 2: revolution in Memr, it was USIP they went to. Obviously, 272 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: all the contents that have a USIP have now been doged, 273 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: which is a shame. So despite the ceasefire, right I said, 274 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 2: they fired on these Chinese troops, the Hunter has in 275 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,479 Speaker 2: fact not stop bombing earthquake struck areas since the earthquake 276 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 2: madele APDF who I'm in contact with the other revolutionary 277 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: forces in the area that was most affected by the 278 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: earthquake on April seventh, told me that they were aware 279 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 2: of ten strikes in their area of operations since the earthquake. 280 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 2: Three months old baby and a ten year old child 281 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 2: were killed in an air raid on Niicar village and 282 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 2: Papun township that was in Corrent State. On April tenth, 283 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 2: they bombed a school and something that the and likes 284 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 2: to do a lot that They dropped two five hundred 285 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 2: pound bombs on a food court. They then circled back 286 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 2: and dropped another bomb on the people responding to and 287 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 2: giving aid to the people they'd initially bombed in the 288 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 2: food court by food court here, Just to clarify, I'm 289 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: not talking about like at the shopping mall. I'm talking 290 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: about like a market where people can buy like prepared food. Right. 291 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 2: They've killed the best I can collate from various sources, 292 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 2: at least seventy two people and injured about one hundred 293 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: people in addition to thousands who died after the earthquake. 294 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 2: There are also reports that hunter quote unquote recruiters here 295 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: are engaging in forced conscription in the disaster zone. I 296 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 2: read of at least one person who was on a 297 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: search and rescue team, like they were a trained search 298 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: and rescue volunteer, right, so they were moving rebel to 299 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 2: rescue people, and they were forcibly conscripted while they were 300 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: doing that. Obviously, that's had a chilling effect on people 301 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 2: going out to help others. Right, what the Hunter is 302 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 2: not doing is rescuing its citizens. The military is detested 303 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 2: in most of me and mar even in the areas 304 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 2: that it controls, and its failure to even try and 305 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 2: track people rescued on the rubber won't help this. There 306 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 2: was a video that went viral recently of Hunter troops 307 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 2: literally a line of soldiers rescuing bricks. They've gone to 308 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 2: a collapsed building and they're inspecting the bricks to see 309 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 2: if the bricks a whole, and then passing them down 310 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 2: the lines and stacking them up. 311 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 3: Don't worry. The bricks are safe. 312 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, the bricks are safe. The people are not, which 313 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 2: just like it was genuinely like infuriating to see it, 314 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 2: and I can't imagine for people who have lost family 315 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 2: members how that must feel. Even rescue workers, like I said, 316 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 2: have been forcibly conscripted. Equality MEANMA has noted more than 317 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 2: one hundred cases of force conscriptions since the earthquake. So 318 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 2: Meama has a conscription rule right, a law, so anyone 319 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 2: men and now women between certain ages can be forcibly 320 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: conscripted into the Hunter's army. 321 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 3: So they're just finding people displaced from the earthquake and 322 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 3: forcing now. 323 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's people who have been hiding in their homes 324 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 2: right who now don't have homes to hide it, yeah, 325 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 2: or people who came out in order to save their 326 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 2: neighbors and now now they're forcing them to be to 327 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 2: fight for them, just as as they did with cyclone Nagis. 328 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 2: They've also delayed and in cases blocked AID. A team 329 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 2: came from France to assist in a search and rescue. 330 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 2: They spent twenty four hours sitting in an airport waiting 331 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 2: for their visa to be approved, and then they spent 332 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 2: one day working in search and rescue efforts before being 333 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 2: told that search and rescue efforts had now finished and 334 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 2: they were to go home. So they traveled around the 335 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 2: entire world and didn't save a single life abundance it's great, 336 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 2: presumably because the hunter wanted to plicate China. A Taiwanese 337 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 2: team was straight up refused entry into Meenmar. Taiwan had 338 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 2: a search and rescue team that they were willing to 339 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 2: say zend who could have saved yourble lives, and that 340 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 2: they weren't allowed to enter. All tourist visas have been suspended, 341 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 2: so it's not like the Hunter is like overwhelmed with 342 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: visa applications, but they're not allowing certain rescue teams to 343 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 2: enter from countries. I guess they're not politically aligned with 344 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 2: This kind of horrific indifference to human suffering has characterized 345 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 2: a toutmudor for decades, and it's really unlikely to change. 346 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 2: As it grows even more desperate and it loses even 347 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 2: more territory, it's just going to clamp down harder and 348 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 2: harder on its people. The one in the liberated areas. 349 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 2: Aid is being mobilized using the mutual aid structures which 350 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 2: you've existed for decades. In the absence of the state, 351 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 2: in significant and growing parts of ME and MA, people 352 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 2: are relying on each other instead of the government for aid, 353 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 2: and that has its benefits, right, Like people have been 354 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 2: out rescuing people from the rebel, but they're also desperately 355 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 2: short of resources. I spoke to mandal APDF rescue team 356 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 2: at the first week of April and they literally sent 357 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 2: me a They have a notebook of a list of 358 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 2: like we've run out of gorz, we've run out of 359 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 2: towny ks, we've run out of adhesive dressings, we've run 360 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 2: out of elastic bandages, right, they're like the little nuts 361 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 2: and bolts of saving people's lives they run out of. 362 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 2: We did a fund raising campaign for them through behind 363 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 2: the Bus. We raised nearly two thousand dollars, which is great. 364 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 2: So they're restocking their supplies, which is fantastic, But that's 365 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 2: just one township. All across the country, people are struggling 366 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 2: for the basic supplies that they need to save lives. 367 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: The military has also blocked aid and medicine from entering 368 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 2: their areas. Right, so the military controls a lot of 369 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 2: roadblocks and it uses its control of those roadblocks to 370 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 2: stop AIDA medicine. Often it's kind of hoarding it in 371 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 2: the capital city, which is Napidor. People not familiar and 372 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 2: Napidor is a city that they've couldn't have built for 373 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 2: itself to govern from, I mean seat of kings. Also 374 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 2: in Napidor right now is the US AID agency Samaritans Purse. 375 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 2: Are you familiar with Samaritans perse keratin? 376 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 3: I don't think so. It sounds vaguely familiar, but all 377 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 3: these humanitarian organizations all have like the same like four 378 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 3: words that they shuffle around in different ways. 379 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, Samaritans perse perhaps the most famous 380 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 2: for being run by Franklin Graham. 381 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 3: Okay, yes, the idea what this is and who this is? 382 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, having all their volunteers sign like a statement 383 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 2: of faith, and being extremely homophobic. For some reason, Samaritans 384 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 2: Persons establishing a field hospital in Napi door right now. 385 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 3: They're going to force people to convert to Evangelical Christianity 386 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 3: before they give services like they do in some. 387 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 2: Cases, yeah, or just leave them like they did in 388 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 2: Afghanistan if they're not Christian. I cannot work out for 389 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 2: the life of me what the fuck they're doing, because 390 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 2: like the Hunter has made a consistent policy of bombing 391 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 2: Christians in me Emma. Right in Karen and Karini State, 392 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 2: there are a lot of Christian people. On Christmas Day, 393 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 2: the Hunter bombed people going to services because it knew 394 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 2: that Christians would be going to services at churches. Right 395 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 2: the Kareni Christians this year I saw celebrated Christmas in 396 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 2: caves because they were so afraid of being bombed. Right, Like, 397 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: I have no idea what logical leap you have to make? 398 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 2: Are yeah, it's and they're like they're not even at 399 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 2: the Insagang. The only people. The only international aida aware 400 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 2: of that was able to make it to Sagang was 401 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 2: a Malaysian team who were able to save some lives. Unfortunately, 402 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 2: there were really strong rains this week and that made 403 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 2: all the collapse structures even more unstable. And the Malaysian 404 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 2: team I saw have now returned home. We're going to 405 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 2: take another ad break here and when we come back, 406 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 2: we will talk about what you can do t help. 407 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 2: All right, and we're back first, I want to, I 408 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 2: guess have some good news. Despite everything. The military has 409 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 2: still been taking massive losses. The all Burma students Democratic 410 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,959 Speaker 2: Front captured remaining hunter positions in Indoor. They're almost Democratic 411 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 2: Front are a group that's been around since nineteen eighty eight, right, 412 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 2: and they have armed up and re entered the revolution 413 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 2: since twenty twenty one. One of the things that they 414 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 2: captured on Monday was a underground Japanese field hospital from 415 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: World War II, which I guess had been like entrench position. 416 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 2: I guess they're not covered technically by the ceasefire, but 417 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 2: there was a unit under the National Uniti government's command 418 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 2: that operated with them, and from what I understand, this 419 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 2: began as a defensive action. They'd surrounded the Hunter. I 420 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 2: think it's called Japan Cave Hill. They'd surrounded them on 421 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 2: Japan Cave Hill for a long time and then the Hunter, 422 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 2: obviously seeing the earthquake and everything thereafter, decided that now 423 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 2: was the time for them to break out of this circlement. 424 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 2: They did not break out, They took a fat l 425 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 2: and as a result, they've all been captured now. Meanwhile, 426 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 2: in chin Land, if people haven't listened to the episode, 427 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 2: I did a couple of weeks ago with a Zad 428 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 2: from the Anti Fashis Internationalists Front. I was just going 429 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 2: back and listening to that to understand chin Land. But 430 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,959 Speaker 2: the AIF and a lot of their allied forces from 431 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,959 Speaker 2: a Chinland Defense Force and a chin Brotherhood had a 432 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 2: significant victory in capturing the rest of the Hunter's positions 433 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 2: in Flam last week. And I think it's very much 434 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 2: like on the table that we will see the whole 435 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 2: of chin Land liberated in the next few months or 436 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 2: by the end of the year, which would be great 437 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 2: to see. So people are wondering, like what they can 438 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 2: do to help, right, And I think it's a very 439 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 2: valid question because I saw today that the UN was 440 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 2: meeting with the Hunter in NAPI door and I just 441 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 2: have no faith that any money that goes to the 442 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 2: Hunter is going to get to people who need it. 443 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, absolutely not. 444 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 2: You cannot, like they want them to die that I 445 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: don't know, they're like evil why yeah, yeah, they are 446 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 2: literally genocide or they have done a genocide like that 447 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 2: has been prosecuted international Criminal court. Like, I have no 448 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 2: understanding why people continue to like international organizations continue to 449 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 2: funnel money to them other than because like they have 450 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 2: a status quo bias. I guess, so don't be doing that. 451 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 2: But there are groups who are making a really big difference. 452 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 2: And one of them that I wanted to highlight, and 453 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 2: Robert and I were very familiar with their work from 454 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 2: the last time that we were over reporting is Community 455 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: Partists International. CPI are really cool because they work by 456 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 2: empowering members of the local community to be health volunteers, 457 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 2: as opposed to like dropping in some like doctors from America, 458 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: right or doctors from the United Kingdom or whatever, and 459 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 2: then when those people leave, they take their skills with them. 460 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 2: CPI the thing is to educate folks within the community 461 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 2: so that they can take care of one another. And 462 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 2: I sor that CPI has a matching donations thing right now, 463 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 2: which is pretty cool. So like if you donate, someone 464 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 2: else will match your donation and that will double the 465 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 2: amount that you receive otherwise. I will provide a list 466 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 2: of mutual aid funds that have been shared with me. 467 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 2: Most of them are like GoFundMe or things like that. 468 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 2: I'll put it all in the show description. They've all 469 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: been vetted, and like I know, people are sometimes relucted 470 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 2: to give to go fundmes and they'd rather give to 471 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 2: like a five oh one C three or an organization 472 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 2: which has a little bit more I guess, like online presence. 473 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 2: In this case, you have to understand that like a 474 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 2: lot of orgs just aren't operating in the liberated areas. 475 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 2: The two that I'm aware of CPI and Free Burma 476 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 2: Ranges right I spoke to Dave from Free Burma Ranges. 477 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 2: They're trying to get to as many people as it 478 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 2: can as well. That would be another great place to donate. 479 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 2: And I would include a list of vetted gofundmes if 480 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 2: you want to have a look through those and see 481 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 2: if any of them kind of speaks to you more, 482 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 2: you can do that too. What this will mean for 483 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 2: the future of Memma. We don't know yet, right, We 484 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 2: have really no sense of how many people have died, 485 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 2: of what it's done to the Hunter's ability to control 486 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 2: those areas. But until the Revolution has a way to 487 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 2: stop planes bombing people, we will continue to see the 488 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 2: same dynamic, right of the Hunter losing terrain on the ground, 489 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 2: pulling back its soldiers and then bombing civilians in the 490 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 2: areas that it's lost. That is its game plan. It's 491 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 2: continuing to get more drones from China. It's getting aircraft, 492 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 2: munitions and jet fuel from China. Until there is an 493 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 2: embargo on jet fuel and munitions to the Hunter, then 494 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 2: we will see this same pattern continue, Right, they lose terrain, 495 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 2: they bomb a school, they lose terrain, they bomb a hospital. 496 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 2: It's the same stuff that Israel's doing, and they've of 497 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 2: course previously been armed by Israel as well. But we 498 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 2: don't see as much solidarity for the people at Burma. 499 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 2: If you want to stay in touch with what's happening 500 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 2: on the ground, I think the Irawiti I Double r 501 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 2: a Wa DDY does a really good job of doing 502 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 2: daily summaries right now, so I would suggest checking out 503 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 2: what's happening there, and of course we'll keep you updated 504 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 2: on developments in the Spring Revolution as they come. 505 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 4: It Could Happen Here is a product of cool Zone Media. 506 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 4: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 507 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 4: coolzonmedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 508 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 4: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 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