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Parents 19 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: of a twenty three year old who was found dead 20 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: in Gylsburg say they have never gotten the full story 21 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: of how he died killed. A QC. Sarah Jones was 22 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: at Gilsburg City halled tonight as Tyler Smith's parents pressed 23 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: for answers. Sarah. Tyler Smith wanted to become a cop, 24 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,639 Speaker 1: and according to his parents, the same group of people 25 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: he wanted to join, have failed to provide answers. September 26 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: twelfth marked his mother's birthday. Tyler's was the next day, 27 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: and the fourteenth was the last time he was seen 28 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: in the fifteenth was when his parents say they learned 29 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: he was dead. They say they received a lot of 30 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: conflicting information and that a preliminary autopsy report says he 31 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: drowned in three inches of water. TV six has not 32 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: yet been able to view the autopsy report. Tyler's parents 33 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: accused Gilsburg police of miss handling the investigation. Earlier this week, 34 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: Galsburg police told TV six they're doing everything they can. 35 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: I saw pictures of my son from that night. He 36 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: had injuries to me, and he looked like he had 37 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: been in a fight. I was told that by police 38 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: that they believed that his injuries were from possible dcomp 39 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: due to possibly being out there dead for several hours. 40 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: I have to disagree, as the autopsy report stays there 41 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: are no signs of external decomp How did this beautiful, 42 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: brilliant boy with his wife in front of him? Tyler Smith? 43 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,679 Speaker 1: How do you drown a grown man? Essentially, he's no boy, 44 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: he's a grown man, but he's his mom was a 45 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: little boy forever like mine. How do you drown in 46 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: three inches of water? So many questions left unanswered? I 47 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: want the truth. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. 48 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. With me two very 49 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: very special guests, the mother and father of Tyler Smith. 50 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: First to John Linley, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter 51 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: John what happened? As we'll hear more from his parents 52 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: in just a moment. Tyler had recently he was in 53 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: the process of making a move from Rochelle, Illinois to 54 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: Conquered California to begin training as a cadet in the 55 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: police academy there. He had one last remaining drill to 56 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: do with the Illinois Army National Guard in Macon, Illinois, 57 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: so he thought he'd use the opportunity to catch up 58 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: with some of his favorite people in nearby Gaylsburg. This 59 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: is about three hours southwest of Chicago. His plan was 60 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: to stay overnight with a friend and head to the 61 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: guard Drill The next morning. Tyler Smith announced his arrival 62 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: in Gaylsburg with great fanfare with a text about six 63 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: o three pm. This is Friday, September fourteenth. The text 64 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: simply said, I'm here now. Over the next few hours, 65 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: Tyler and a couple of friends first grabbed a bite 66 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: of dinner, then did a bit of bar hopping around 67 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: the area. According to information given to the Galesburg Police Department, 68 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: at roughly eleven thirty five pm, the three of them 69 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: head to their vehicles, Tyler walking with one of the 70 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: friends to his car. From that point on, the mystery 71 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: of what happens to Tyler really deepens. There is an 72 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: odd series of calls and texts to one of his 73 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: friends and another buddy in Makeum. At eleven forty six pm, 74 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: Tyler sends a Snapchat message to yet another friend saying 75 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: I don't know where I am and that's the last 76 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: that anyone heard from Tyler. All that together sounds very 77 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: very suspicious to me. A text I don't know where 78 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: I am joining me. In addition to John Limley, Crime 79 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter judge lawyer Ashley Wilcott with 80 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: a young son of her own too. As a matter 81 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: of fact, Cheryl McCollum, director of the Coal Case Research Institute, 82 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: also with a son, doctor Michelle Dupre medical examiner, and boy, 83 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: do we need a medical examiner today? To Cheryl mcallum, 84 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: director of the Coalcase Research Institute, before I go to 85 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: Tyler's parents, Sandy and Keith, I want your take on this. 86 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: First of all, Nancy, could he swim? Second of all, 87 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: you're talking about three inches of water with a no injury. 88 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: Then did he have some type of drug in his 89 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: system like GHB or something? And then the other question 90 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: that I have is at you know, eleven thirty five, 91 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: he's walking with a print that he's going to stay 92 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: with places to stay, and by eleven forty six he's 93 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: completely lost and doesn't know where he is. I questioned 94 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: what he sent those last text messages. Well, I questioned 95 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: the text message about I don't know where I am. 96 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: I don't know where I am. Guys, this is a guy. 97 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: I want to call him a boy because he's standing 98 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: his son, but this is on his way to being 99 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: a grown man. Out of five thousand candidates five thousand candidates, 100 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: only fifty were picked for the San Jose Police Academy, 101 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: and he was one of the fifty. I'm not really 102 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: buying that he drowned in three inches of water, and 103 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: I am not buying that injuries on his body were 104 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: caused by decomposition when he had only been there a 105 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: couple of hours. I don't believe that. I've never seen 106 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: a case like that in all of my history, where 107 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: a body begins to decompose in just a couple of hours. 108 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: And to add more mystery to this, listener, see's every 109 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: time I asked to have these checklate video footage cameras, 110 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: I get, I guess, so, or what's that going to 111 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: tell us? The only evidence they do have is what 112 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: I have provided to them. For example, I've provided ATM info, 113 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: which that would show Tyler using ATM on a video. 114 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: We were told then that when they received the video 115 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: that the detective watched it from beginning to end several 116 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: times and Tyler was not on that footage. I asked 117 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: the direct detective to contact Rolls Fargo again and he did, 118 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: and he said it would be December. Fore we got 119 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: another video due to they thought we had the wrong 120 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: footage from the wrong bank. I questioned getting the wrong 121 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: footage and drove two hours to drive to Galesburg on 122 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: November twelfth, where I met with a sergeant where he 123 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: said he would prove the footage was not from the 124 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: wrong bank and it was from the wrong time. I 125 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: was told Tyler was not on the video. The sergeant 126 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: put the video into play and as we were discussing 127 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: it in the correct we were discussing it to see 128 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: if it was the correct bank on the video, he stated, 129 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: what the f do you want from me? Your sun drowned. 130 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: Right after that, he said, Tyler and the two individuals 131 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: he showed up on the ATM video. This is the 132 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: original ATM video that we were told he was not 133 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: on on the exact time he was supposed to show 134 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: up for two minutes and twenty one seconds. This leads 135 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: me to wonder did the detective even watch the video 136 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: and he did, how was he not able to see 137 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: Tyler on the video? I have I have ever been 138 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: asked if I was here. I have also been asked 139 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: if I was if I was here for the first 140 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: six days Tyler died to check any videos myself. My 141 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: response was I was planning a funeral for my son, 142 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: but I would have been here if I would have 143 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: known that you guys weren't checking the videos. Wow, you 144 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: are hearing Tyler's mom, Sandy Halseney with me, Sandy and Keith, 145 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: mother and father of Tyler Smith. If my son allegedly 146 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: drowned in three inches of water, I would be on 147 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: the rampage. Sandy, Keith, thank you for being with us. 148 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: First to you, Sandy, did you see Tyler on the 149 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: ATM video footage? I did. It was the original ATM 150 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: video that we were told he was not on, and 151 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: I had questioned, there's absolutely no way that he could 152 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: not be on it because I had a receipt email 153 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: to me. He had an email receipt when he took 154 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: the money out of the ATM, which was about an hour, 155 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: but it was ten forty two pm, and they were 156 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: telling me that it was the wrong footage from the 157 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: wrong bank, and I supple, then you need to call 158 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: well Targo, because you know, I have an exact account number, 159 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: I have an exact transaction number, I have an exact time. 160 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: I even went down to the bank to see if 161 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: the time was correct, which they didn't do either. But 162 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: I did that myself just to see, you know, oh, 163 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: maybe the time's wrong. There was twenty minutes of footage 164 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: and he is on that, and he shows up there 165 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: for twenty two minutes and twenty one seconds at ten 166 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: forty two pm, exactly at the time he's supposed to 167 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: show up. This is on the original ATM video, which 168 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: was in their possession for at least three weeks before 169 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: I started to question, Okay, what's going on here, you know, 170 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: why are things not being done? And then after that 171 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: point when I found Tyler he was on that video 172 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: is when we decided, okay, nothing was done. We've been 173 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: lied to, and what else have you lied to? Sandy 174 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: Holzeney Keith Smith, the mother and father of Tyler Smith. Sandy, 175 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: when you observed him on the ATM video, how did 176 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: he look? What was his demeanor? He looked fine. I mean, 177 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: he looked he had no problem getting the money out. 178 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: We noticed, We did notice he had cash on him 179 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: at the ATM, he had a money clip. We questioned 180 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: why he took one hundred dollars out and why he 181 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: used his depa card at the last bar he went to, 182 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: and what happened to his money because he didn't have 183 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: all that money on him when he was found. He 184 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: only had seventy two dollars of it. But he looked fine, 185 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: his demeanor looked fine. He was you know, you could 186 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: tell he had been drinking, but he was not stumbling. 187 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: He was walking fine. He was able to use the ATM. Sandy. 188 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: Did he have any bruises, lacerations, or anything on his 189 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: face or body that you could see, Yes, not on 190 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: the ATM video. No, So then no, he did not. 191 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: And you're telling me you observed a money clip in 192 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: his hand with cash in it, and he took out 193 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: an additional one hundred dollars, but when he was found 194 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: he did not have that amount on him. Is that correct? 195 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: That is correct. You know, we just won't just want 196 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: a timeline we might have, not trying to point fingers. 197 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: We just want answers. He deserves war everybody, anybody deserves. 198 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: It's just a little effort. The city appreciates Tyler's parents 199 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: coming in to speak to the CRC. As they outlined, 200 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: they don't have jurisdiction over this type of case. They're 201 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: limited in what types of cases they can investigate. However, 202 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: at the same time, we have received a formal complaint 203 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: from Tyler's parents. At that time, the city manager initiated 204 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: an investigation that will be a joint police and city 205 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: administration investigation. That investigation is ongoing, but when it is completed, 206 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: we've looked at the allegations, we will release the results 207 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: of that to the City Council as well as to 208 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: the media. Next week, we'll be meeting with Tyler's parents 209 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: to learn more about their experience and their allegations, and 210 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 1: we're hopeful to move on from that point. Tyler's parents 211 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: say they understand that this is outside the Commission's jurisdiction, 212 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: and the city council referred them to the state, and 213 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: Tyler's family says they're not giving up. You're hearing from 214 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: our Friddick k WQCTV Sarah Jones. You also heard Tyler's dad, 215 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: Keith Smith, who was with us right now with me, 216 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: Sandy Halsney and Keith Smith, the father and mother of Tyler. 217 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle Dupree, medical examiner and author of homicide Investigation 218 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,479 Speaker 1: Field Guide, Cheryl Mcallum, director of the Cold Case Research Institute, 219 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot, judge and lawyer, and Crime online dot Com 220 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: investigative reporter John Lemley to doctor Michelle Dupree. Bodies do 221 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: not start to decompose in an hour or two to 222 00:12:54,679 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 1: where it looks like physical injuries like bruises. That doesn't 223 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: happen that quickly. That's true, Nancy, it does not, and 224 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: I wonder if it's not just maybe a misinterpretation of 225 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: an injury that did occur. One thing I'd like to 226 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: point out is that, as you know, drowning is a 227 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: diagnosis of exclusion, and what that means is we must 228 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: rule out everything else, everything else to be the cause 229 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: of death. We need a toxicology report, we need any 230 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: signs of trauma or injury that would be significant enough 231 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: to cause the death. And so I'm thinking that one 232 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: of the concerns is him having drowned in three inches 233 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: of water. That is entirely possible, but we still need 234 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: to make sure that the actual cause of death is drowning. 235 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: Otherwise we have other things that we need to rule out. 236 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: But you're absolutely right on those postmortem changes or the 237 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: decomposition way too soon. Well, to me, if he was 238 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: in three inches of water, he could have just turned 239 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: over unless he was knocked out or beaten and I 240 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: want to point out that what we have discovered is 241 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: that it appears he was either beaten or hit by 242 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: some type of vehicle before ending up in the creek 243 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: in Cedar Fort. And I'm basing that on post mortem 244 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: photos of Tyler Smith that showed bruising along his body 245 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: and more facial injuries. I'm very, very concerned about the 246 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: cause of death, very concerned. Doctor Michelle Dupree to all 247 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: of us a Luddites, explain how it is determined that 248 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: someone has drowned, And again, drowning is that diagnosis of exclusion? 249 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: We must rule out any kind of blunt trauma, accidental 250 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: or otherwise. We must rule out toxicology as a cause 251 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: of death. It is possible to drown in three inches 252 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: of water, But why why could he not? As you 253 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: said turnover? Was he abtunded in some way? Was he 254 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: sedated in some way? You know what is the reason 255 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: for that? There are also two types of drowning, as 256 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: you know, wet drowning and dry drowning. Did he have 257 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: a l ringo spasm so there would be very little 258 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: water in his lung? Those are the kind of things 259 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: that we must look at in an autopsy to determine 260 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: and to be able to actually say that drowning was 261 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: the cause of death, and I'm not sure that we 262 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: have it in this case. It's my understanding back to 263 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: Sandy Halsney and her husband Keith Smith, the mother and 264 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: father of Tyler, that through investigation, you guys uncovered videotape 265 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: images of Tyler walking along West Street just four minutes 266 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: before his cell phone stops registering activity. That would be 267 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: around eleven fifty two PM that Friday night. Okay, he 268 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: walks north past the case. He's on the corner of 269 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: West and West Main Street in the direction of the 270 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: BNSF tracks and the Cedar Fork body of water. So 271 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: you have him alive on video at ten forty two 272 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: at the ATM and about two hours later at eleven 273 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: fifty two walking past Casey's. Is that correct, Keith Smith, Yes, 274 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: it is. What type of video is this, Sandy Halsney. 275 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: It is a video that we can see Tyler walking 276 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: in the distance. We were told this video was checked 277 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: and that he wasn't on it, and we have done 278 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: our own investigation basically for the last four to five months, 279 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: and I was able to find the video there at 280 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: Casey's and check it myself. And that's when I saw 281 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: him walking. He's walking very fast, He's walking like he's 282 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: to me as his mother. I can tell he seems 283 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: like he's upset or angry or he's on a mission. 284 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: And you know, as he walks by, it's about eleven 285 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: forty eight, and then at eleven fifty two he his 286 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: health app on his phone says he stops moving. Wow. Okay, 287 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. This is from my building. 288 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: They're on West Street. I think, how did you manage 289 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: to get that video where the cops didn't get it? 290 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. I presented it to him in my 291 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: formal complaint. I Before I presented it to him, they said, 292 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: you know, I went over and I said, you told 293 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: me you checked this camera and that was a lie. 294 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: You checked this camera and that was why you checked 295 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: this video, and this was a lie. And I went 296 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: through all the videos that I was told it was 297 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: checked and confirmed with him. You guys checked the Casey's video, correct, 298 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: And they said, yes, yes, we checked that. And I said, well, 299 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: I have the Casey's video with me, and Tyler is 300 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: on it and he's walking and he's you can't see 301 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: his face, so you can't see if he had been 302 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: in a fight prior, but you can tell it to 303 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: him and it's definitely him. There is another video about 304 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: a block down that we were told which would basically 305 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: tell us if he continued to walk on his own, 306 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: if he had turned on a cross street called Ferris Street, 307 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: if he had any any interaction with the police car 308 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: that fo him down that road, as well as another 309 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: vehicle that falls him down that road. And we were 310 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: told that that was only good for the weekend. I 311 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: noticed it right away, within about ten days after Tyler died. 312 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: I was told, Oh, they just have Oh they just 313 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: have signs up just to scare people. I said, but 314 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 1: did you check. Oh, well, we'll check, we'll check. Well. 315 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: Two months later I find out from the owner. After 316 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: we found out they lied about him being on the 317 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: ATM video, is when we decided that, okay, something's not 318 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: right here. We went down to that owner and he 319 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: said nobody had been down here to check their footage 320 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: and it was good for a week, and that would 321 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: have basically given us our information at least where he went. Yeah, 322 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, just Cheryl mccullin's right to the Cold Case 323 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: Research Institute. That's exactly what happened in the case of 324 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: Seandre Levy. I remember it was so integral that we 325 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: find out if she left her apartment building their n 326 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: DC with anyone right and the video cameras in her building, 327 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: as I recall, it was her building cycle every seventy 328 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: two hours, and the cops didn't get it in time, 329 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: and that really hurt the investigation. Nancy, this is an 330 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: example of a mama ownermission period. She's doing the lion's 331 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: share of this and it's unbelievable. But I want to 332 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: ask another question to her. Other than the body, there 333 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,959 Speaker 1: is something else you can investigate and look at, and 334 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: that's his clothing. Did his clothing have any injury to them? 335 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: Like where his pants ripped, where he fell down that 336 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: cement ravine, where his clothes disheveled like he had been 337 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: in a fight or a struggle. Has she been able 338 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: to see the crime skined photographs. I have seen the 339 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: crime photographs crime stories With Nancy Grace, we are heart 340 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: broken and we deserve answers on how Tyler's stuff occurred. 341 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: We want to know what happened the night of September 342 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: fourteenth into the early hours of September fifteenth, and how 343 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: did he get down there and why. We do not 344 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: feel satisfied As the gills For police investigated our son's 345 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: death without any litter, any or little effort. We first 346 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: learned of our son's death, it was a full blown 347 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: comicide investigation. As we were not able to see Tyler 348 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: the knight of his death. I begged to see him, 349 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: but we were still told no. Due to Tyler and 350 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,719 Speaker 1: his belongings and clothes were all still evidence. He had 351 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: been taken to Peoria to a forensic pathologist. They backed 352 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: his hands for evidence, yet no samples were taken for DNA. 353 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: I was miss lead to believe that he had he 354 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 1: would have X rays and he didn't. Within less than 355 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: twenty four hours of his death, a press press release 356 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: was made on September sixteenth at four thirty two pm 357 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: that there were no science of foul play suspected and 358 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: no signs of injury. The statement was made off of 359 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: preliminary autopsy report stating cause the death was drowning in 360 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: three inches of water. No pause us why or how 361 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: Tyler ended up in seedar four. I saw pictures of 362 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: Maison from that night. He had injuries to me, and 363 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: he looked like he had been in a fight. I 364 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 1: was told that by police that they believed that his 365 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: injuries were from possible decomp due to possibly being out 366 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: there dead for several hours. I have to disagree, as 367 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 1: that autopsy reports seats there are no signs of external 368 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: decomp you're hearing Tyler's mom, Sandra Halsney. Of course she's concerned. 369 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: She's not getting answers no matter where she turns. As 370 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: we went to break, Sharyl McCollum, you were saying, there's 371 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: more evidence than just the body itself. Repeats exactly the clothing, Nancy. 372 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: He would have injury to his pants if he failed 373 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: down that ravine, like if the knee would be ripped, 374 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: or the side, if his shirt was cut in, if 375 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: it was disheveled and pulled out. Did it look like 376 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: he failed it. It looked like he was in a fight. 377 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: Body placement in his clothes would tell that the auto 378 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: the autop too, Sandy Halsney, Tyler's mom, what about his clothing? Um, 379 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: From the pictures of the scene, his clothing looked. The 380 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: only pictures that I see are his shirt is all 381 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: the way up. They didn't take pictures. I don't think 382 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: of his clothing prior to the fireman on the scene 383 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: actually pulled everything out of his pockets before the corner 384 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: or even the investigator even got there. They didn't print 385 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: anything his clothing. I could not see any rips. But um, 386 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: the pictures aren't the greatest. And we were told the 387 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: night that he died they would not let me id him, 388 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: and I said, why can't I id him? I want 389 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: to see him. I begged and begged and begged to 390 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: see him that night, and they said, no, his whole 391 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: body is evidence. His clothes are evidence. And then they 392 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: took his clothes and they threw them away after the autopsy, 393 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: so I never saw the clothes through his clothes away. 394 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: I've never heard of that they sent him. I found 395 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: out they sent him to the funeral home four days later. 396 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: So at that point, you know they've been tampered with. 397 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 1: And I was not in a great place at that time. 398 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: It was the first time I got to see my son, 399 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: and I wanted the clothes, and everybody talked me out 400 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: of them. But I did not realize his shoes, which 401 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: were bright white shoes, were completely clean. The left one 402 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: was completely clean, no mud, no nothing, and the right 403 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: one had drag marks on the top of it and 404 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: a little bit of mud on the side of it. 405 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: There's no way he walked through that creek and kept 406 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: his shoes clean in the dark, never been there before. 407 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: And his feet are basically almost up against the concrete wall, 408 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: and his arms are down and his sighed like he 409 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: didn't even try to catch himself. His watch is broken 410 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: off of him. It was broken off of the tin. 411 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: It was still clasped and it ripped off, basically ripped 412 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: off skin off his wrist and was laying a foot 413 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: away from him. He literally looked staged. There was a 414 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: beer clan laying next to him. That they took his 415 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: evidence and they threw it away in four days and 416 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: didn't print it. They said, well, we didn't think it 417 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: was Tyler's. I said, but what if somebody else's prints 418 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: were on it? Which police agency was in charge of this, Sandy? 419 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: The city police, what city the Gayalsburg, Illinois City Police, Galesburg, 420 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: Illinois p D. And we have tried to reach them, 421 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: and Don Linly Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, what 422 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: mar can you tell me? Nancy? We did reach out 423 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: to the Galsburg Police Department, and we have just received 424 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 1: a written response from Chief David Christensen. I'll read some 425 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: of the highlights for you. The statement begins, At this time, 426 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: nothing learned from the investigation indicates foul play or suspicious 427 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 1: circumstances surrounding Tyler Smith's death. How and why Tyler Smith 428 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: ended up down in Cedar Fork is unknown and believed 429 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: to be accidental. The statement continues, The Tyler Smith case 430 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: remains open and any lead or new information will be investigated. 431 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: The case has been featured with a local crime Stoppers posting, 432 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: and Tyler Smith's family is now offering a five thousand 433 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: dollar reward for information that would lead to an arrest. 434 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: To Keith Smith, Tyler's father, what do you think, Keith, 435 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 1: I just think they didn't put any effort towards my son, 436 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: and they just wanted us to go away. And they 437 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: just probably thought that he was from California because the 438 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: California license, and I just think they just been putting 439 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: the effort towards his investigation. I just don't understand it. 440 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: To Ashley Wilcott joining me Atlanta judge lawyer anchor, you 441 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: can find her at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Ashley, what 442 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: do you make of this? You know there are a 443 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: couple of problems I have with this case, Nancy. One 444 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: is my heartbreaks for the parents, and I'm so happy 445 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: that you're speaking out about the problems you see with 446 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: this explanation for what happened to your son. Their observations 447 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: directly contradict the reports by law enforcement. So, for instance, 448 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: law enforcement nothing on the face, no sign of anything, 449 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: yet we hear from his own mother bruises and marks 450 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: on the face, or a bruise and marks on the face. 451 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: I think the problem is the unanswered question. What I 452 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: cannot imagine is why any law enforcement agency would not 453 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: investigate more thoroughly, save the clothes, do the things to 454 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: make certain that they absolutely have pinned down exactly what 455 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: happened to this young man. I don't get it. And 456 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 1: when you say they had no interests, they blew you off. 457 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: That's their job, and it's not just their job. I mean, 458 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, you've been with me from the very beginning 459 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: when I first started prosecuting. It's not just a job. 460 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: You're certainly not there for the pay. I had to 461 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: work two night jobs TG school to make a house 462 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: payment while I was a prosecutor, remember that Priday times. 463 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: You're there because you want the truth, because you want justice, 464 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: because you want answers for people like Sandy Halsney and 465 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: Keith Smith, and most of all, to do justice by Tyler. 466 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm looking at Tyler's photo right now and 467 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: I'm getting chills all over my body looking at him. 468 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: This young man, bright, excited, exuberant, one of five thousand people, 469 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: just fifty get picked to go into this police program, 470 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: and he was one all over the country that made it. 471 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: Loving parents everything, just like your son, Ashley, your son, Cheryl, 472 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: my son. This is not right. You know what, at 473 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: the end of the day, if it turns out he drowned, 474 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: I don't like it, but I accepted. But we can't 475 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: say that right now, Cheryl. There's no way that that 476 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: can be determined based on what they know. And even 477 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: if he did drownd, how do I know somebody didn't 478 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: hold his head down? How do I know that what 479 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: happened to the money? Why was he bruised up? Why 480 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: did he have abrasions all the way down the side 481 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: of his body? Why? Cheryl? Why but he suddenly needs 482 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: somewhere else to stay within one minute. Why would he 483 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 1: be completely lost within ten minutes to not logical, But Nancy, 484 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: I have another major issue right now. As you know, 485 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: I'm a prom king investigator for a living. Another part 486 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: of my job is I'm the evidence custodian for my 487 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: police department. You don't get rid of evidence in four days. 488 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: In order for me to dispose of evidence, I've got 489 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: to go in front of a judge and get a 490 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: court order. I've got to go in front of my 491 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: achieved and get approval before I even go to the judge. 492 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: There is no way that could happen at my department 493 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: in four days. On the case that we are not 494 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: finished with, we have asked for crime stoppers to be 495 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: brought in and I November thirtieth. We have asked for 496 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: the state to come in for a fresh set of 497 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: ice and we were denied. We have also turned in 498 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: a formal complaint. We have also asked for the Guilsbord 499 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: community to please come forward with any information as we 500 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: are still trying to find out. I think that's that 501 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: led Tyler being deceased in cedar Port. We still need 502 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: the police in this matter as they have the authority 503 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: to help as the investigation is still open, and we 504 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: will need them to help us with Lisa, as we 505 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: still need answers to what happened to our son, Tyler Smith. 506 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: This is the main reason why we are still here today. 507 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: We don't know what happened to Tyler and we won't 508 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: ever give up as we are a voice for him. 509 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: So please be a voice for Tyler. A spokesperson for 510 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: the city told Fox eighteen News they found no evidence 511 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: to support the complaint, but he did say the investigation 512 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: revealed that in some instances, communications with Tyler's parents fell 513 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: below the high standards that the Gaelsburg Police Department strives 514 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: for each and every day. As a result, the department 515 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: took appropriate internal measures to address this concern and ensure 516 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: it does not reoccur. Sandra didn't feel up to doing 517 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: an on camera interview, but told us her and Tyler's 518 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: dad aren't giving up. She says they were relying on 519 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: surveillance video from a local business to show Tyler's last moments, 520 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: but she says the video from September was already cleared 521 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: off the camera, so they've created their own tipline and 522 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: funded a five thousand dollars reward for anyone with information 523 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: that leads to an arrest in conviction. Tyler is a 524 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: human being who has a mother and a father who 525 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: loved him very much. You are hearing from our Frank 526 00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: klbjtv's Grace Runkle reporting. In my mind, there's so many 527 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: gaping holes in the investigation, bad ones getting rid of evidence, 528 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: not testing evidence, not taking evidence, not securing fingerprints. To 529 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: doctor Michelle Dupree, medical examiner joining me, author of Homicide 530 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: Investigation Field Guide, Doctor Dupree, I know that when an 531 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: autopsy has done, there's a general panel of tests of 532 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: drug tests that are done. Toxicology is what it's called. 533 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: They look for pot, they look for cocaine, they look 534 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: for heroin, they look for all sorts of illegal drugs. 535 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: But is there another panel that looks for things such 536 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: as GHB, gamma, hydroxy butter rate, or something that may 537 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: have been slipped into his drink? How does that work? 538 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: Doctor Dupre Yes, that's uglarious. Actually, when we do a 539 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: panel and different labs use different panels, but typically they 540 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: will look for all of those and especially in a 541 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: case like this where there are some uncertainty or some 542 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: question as to you know, why, all of a sudden 543 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: he didn't know where he was. That should surely indicate 544 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: to look for those things. I don't know whether that 545 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: was done or not, but certainly it should be. I'm 546 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: just appauled at some of the evidence of the lack 547 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: of evidence in this case that was collected. Guys, we 548 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: were talking about the death of a bright, bright young man, 549 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: Tyler Smith, with a world in front of him. He 550 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: was heading off to police academy, one of fifty out 551 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: of five thousand that were accepted. John Linley, Crime online 552 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: dot Com Investigating Reporter, What more can you tell me? 553 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: This is something that Sandy can give us even more 554 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: details on. But she says that when she tried to 555 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: access Tyler's Facebook page on Sunday, September sixteenth, the day 556 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: after his body was found, at seven pm, it was 557 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: already designated as a memorial page. Also, she discovered that 558 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: all the local Haitian information from Tyler's phone for both 559 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: Friday and Saturday was gone, as if it had been wiped. 560 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: To Sandy Halsley, what does that mean his phone had 561 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: been white? Um, basically the information was gone. His vocations 562 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: were on and we could you know, prior day as 563 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: you can see where he was. I mean, it picks 564 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: up exactly where you go, and um, it was gone, 565 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: it was completely there. It didn't exist that he was 566 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: in Galesburg at all. Um. The fourteenth of September did 567 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: not exist, and the fifteenth that did not exist, like 568 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: it never happened. Um. And unfortunately, all that information is encrypted. 569 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: And I have tried and tried and tried with Apple 570 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: to see if I can get that information back, but 571 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: it's it's out in the cloud somewhere, and I mean, 572 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,959 Speaker 1: I don't have the capabilities of doing it. I mean, 573 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: this is why we've been asking for warrants and and 574 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: and they will not give me a warrant. They will 575 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: not give me a warrant to Facebook. They will not 576 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: give me a warrant to rise and to check the 577 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: cocatient histories. And I asked why and he said, well, 578 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: there's no crime. And I said, well, how can you 579 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: tell if there's no crime if you haven't tried to 580 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: prove it. You know, it's within less than twenty four hours, 581 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: or they'd halready said he drowned and they were done. 582 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: You know, they didn't even open his phone until four 583 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: days after he died. Oh, this is just one, one 584 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: nightmare after the next. The last two people he was with, 585 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: they only called two and five days after for a 586 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: phone statement. They didn't bring him down to the department 587 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,439 Speaker 1: to interview them until two months later when we found 588 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: out they were also on the ATM video with Tyler. 589 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. Right there is Sandy 590 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,919 Speaker 1: Holsny those two people after the ATM at ten forty two. 591 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: You see him walking along around West Street alone. Nobody's 592 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: with him. Right then, a couple of questions, Sandy, who 593 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: were these two people? Did he know them? There were acquaintances. 594 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: One was a buddy that he drilled with and that 595 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: he was supposed to stay with, and then the other 596 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 1: one was the cousin of his friend that he was 597 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: supposed to stay with. Okay, have you spoken to them? 598 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: I have spoken to the one that he was supposed 599 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: to stay with. I have not spoke to the other one. 600 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: He's never reached out to her. Okay, what did he say? 601 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: He at first, when I spoke to him, he said, 602 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: you know, he was sorry, he felt like he left 603 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: Tyler down. You know, if we needed anything, it would 604 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: be fine. And then I reached out to him a 605 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 1: week later and said, hey, you know, I'm not having 606 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: any luck with the police getting any information. Can you 607 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: at least tell me what you do remember when Tyler 608 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: got there? Can you give me a timeline from when 609 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,839 Speaker 1: Tyler got there to the point you don't remember because 610 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: he was telling the police he doesn't remember anything, And 611 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: so I said, can you at least give me that? 612 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 1: And his answer was, I'm sorry, We've already given our 613 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: statements to the police. We would be the last and 614 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: least likely to be able to help you. And that 615 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: was the last I spoke to him. Based on what 616 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: you know, it sounds like you see him alone walking, 617 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: They left him, I mean, well he or he left 618 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: them at whatever bar and was going somewhere else. So 619 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: I'm wondering who approached him, who, if anyone, How did 620 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: he get covered with bruises and lacerations? How did that happen? 621 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle Duprie. If he had fallen from a bridge, 622 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,720 Speaker 1: If he had fallen and then he died upon impact, 623 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: because we don't have X rays of his body, would 624 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 1: he have bruised or because it was so close to 625 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,720 Speaker 1: the time of death, would he have not bruised Nancy. 626 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: That's a good question, and yes, absolutely, if he is 627 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: still alive at the time that he sustains that injury, 628 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: he will bruise. So there should be evidence, physical evidence 629 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: that we can see of any blunt trauma that may 630 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: have happened like that. We should also be able to 631 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: determine if any of the blunt trauma was post mortem. 632 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 1: We are learning. The forensic pathologists determined all of his 633 00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: facial bones were intact, including his name or septim. He 634 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: did not break his nose. There were no external signs 635 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,320 Speaker 1: of neck injury or trauma. The pathologist said it was 636 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: just superficial scrapes on his face. That his skull and 637 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: scalp were intact. He was found in an area of 638 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: Cedar Fork surrounded by twenty foot walls on both sides. 639 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: His feet were up against the south side wall with 640 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: his body pointed out into the water. The creek wasn't 641 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: even full. Is there a way he could have fallen 642 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: down in there? Keith Smith. I don't see how he 643 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: could have fallen down in there, and we went there 644 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: plenty of times just trying to figure it out, and 645 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 1: just from the way his hands were placed down to 646 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 1: his side, and the way he was positioned, I just 647 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: couldn't figure out how he would be able to even 648 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: if he fell hung down, he would fall forward against 649 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 1: the wall, and that turn around and fall with his 650 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: hands to his side just don't make anything. Well. He 651 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: on his back or his stomach. He was he was 652 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 1: on his He was on his stomach, arms down at 653 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 1: his side, and his left side of his face was 654 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 1: more down than his right. And the majority of his 655 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: trauma is to the right. Um. He has he has 656 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,240 Speaker 1: blunt injuries on both sides of his head, both sides 657 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: of his face, his elbow, his knees, he has has 658 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: like puncture wounds on his ankle um, on his on 659 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: his buttocks, he has an injury um almost like a 660 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: road rash injury um. He was bleeding from the bottom 661 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: of his chin, his mouth um. And And the thing 662 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: is is they didn't even test the water that he 663 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 1: that this supposedly he drowned it. But they didn't even 664 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: test the water that they found in his lungs versus 665 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,879 Speaker 1: the water that was there. And it's not even saying 666 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: that he really has water in his lungs. It's more 667 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 1: saying he has muddy muddy water and his naars, you know, 668 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 1: and his narees and his nose. What do you think 669 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: about the theory that he was hit by a car 670 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:18,240 Speaker 1: and instead of calling police, someone disposed of his body. 671 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: I mean, that's possible. I mean, the one video that 672 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,840 Speaker 1: would have shown that we were lied to about the 673 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: police and said it was checked, and it wasn't. So 674 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,439 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's hard, it's you know, those 675 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: are all the million scenarios that go through your mind. 676 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: I mean, there is a car that follows him down 677 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,399 Speaker 1: within twenty seconds of going down that road. Then there's 678 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: a police officer that comes through at this about two minutes, 679 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: almost exactly two minutes after Tyler walks down that road, 680 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 1: and his phone randomly goes off at that time. What 681 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: about that police cruiser video, Cheryl McCollum. If that cruiser 682 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: pass a vehicle, or passed a group of people, or 683 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,399 Speaker 1: passed his frailer car, it would show up on that video. 684 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: Brex and we were told. I asked him about the 685 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 1: dash cam video, and they so the only time the 686 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: dash cam video comes on is when they turn their 687 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 1: lights on, and and you know, their patrol, their actual 688 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: lights when you're not just patrolling. And I asked what 689 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: vehicle that was and they told me they couldn't figure 690 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 1: that out. And I said, you know what beat that 691 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: car's patrolling in. He's not rushing anywhere. And they said, well, 692 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 1: we're sorry, we can't tell you that. To Ashley Wilcot, 693 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: Sandy and Keith were saying they couldn't get the phone 694 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 1: records or any of the computer records. What about a subpoena? 695 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: Ducas take them a civil You don't have to have 696 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: a warrant from the cops. How about your own civil lawsuits? Subpoena? Absolutely, 697 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 1: I think that's what they need to do and what 698 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: are and there is a mechanism to do that. Legally. 699 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: They may have to get an attorney, but it's worth 700 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: it because they need to see those records. The other 701 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 1: thing I want to point out is my understanding is, 702 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: and they can correct me if I'm wrong, that on 703 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 1: one of their friends thought that he had quote unquote 704 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 1: butt dialed with the phone in his pocket, but that 705 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,280 Speaker 1: they heard another voice. And I've not heard any mention 706 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 1: of law enforcement at all, considering the fact that there 707 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: was another person with him. What about that, Sandy I've 708 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,800 Speaker 1: asked him in the Nigga said well, we don't know, 709 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 1: you know. You know, every time I asked him questions, 710 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,440 Speaker 1: it's either what's that going to tell us? Or I 711 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: guess we can, or we don't know, you know, and 712 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 1: they're not interested in finding out. I mean, I had 713 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: to look at his autopsy pictures to find out where 714 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,320 Speaker 1: his phone was to find out that it was in 715 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 1: his pocket because it left a lividity mark on his leg. 716 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: And that was three months after I've gotten three different 717 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: answers of where his phone was, and they just didn't 718 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 1: general to me. To me, this sounds like it needs 719 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,359 Speaker 1: to be handed over to the State Attorney General's office 720 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:54,320 Speaker 1: because clearly the local police department is not acting. What 721 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: do you think about that? There's zero question this needs 722 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,400 Speaker 1: to move somewhere else. Where is the phone? Nails, Sandy, 723 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 1: We have the phone. They released the phone and all 724 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 1: his stuff out of his pockets in four days to 725 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,800 Speaker 1: the family. Okay, so they released the phone to you 726 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 1: the same time they destroyed the other evidence. Correct, And 727 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: that was before they even talked for a phone statement 728 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 1: to the second person he was with that night, Sandy, 729 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,880 Speaker 1: if you considered passing this up moving it up and 730 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 1: asking the State aj to takeover. I have, and I've 731 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 1: I've spoke to the state actually three different times, and 732 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,399 Speaker 1: just recently I spoke to the state. I have tried 733 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 1: to reach out to the Governor's office, the representatives, the senators, 734 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 1: trying to push to get the state to come in 735 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 1: because there are still things they can do. They can candidate. 736 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,320 Speaker 1: What did the Attorney General's office say to you. The 737 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,080 Speaker 1: Attorney General's office, it's up to the State Police. They 738 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 1: basically just said, we don't handle this. And then I 739 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,000 Speaker 1: went to the State Police and I was able to 740 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,320 Speaker 1: get pretty high up in the Springfield area, which is 741 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 1: where you know, our capital is in Illinois, and I 742 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,800 Speaker 1: was reached out by District two and I spoke to 743 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 1: the commander and sergeant through um Um District two, which 744 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 1: is our district or the districts where Tyler died, and 745 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: they said, at this time they have not been invited in, 746 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 1: but we are being told by the Gildsworth Police that 747 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,120 Speaker 1: they did invite them in. So I'm being thrown back 748 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,560 Speaker 1: and forth between the two. They say, well, you know, 749 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 1: a lot, a lot of all of the physical evidence 750 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 1: is gone. I said, but you can still canvass the 751 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 1: areas agree. We can still get a hold of all 752 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 1: those wrecords that you haven't been able to obtain, and 753 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,560 Speaker 1: try to get the dash cam video and try to 754 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 1: interview other people. There's still a lot that can be done. 755 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 1: We want answers. Maybe they entertain the idea that they 756 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,280 Speaker 1: might need to exhume their son and have a second autopic. 757 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:47,439 Speaker 1: We haven't. We have entertained that, but it's like it's 758 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's very hard to do that. And 759 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 1: I feel like, okay, if it shows that there's I mean, 760 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 1: can you get DNA after this point in time, after 761 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 1: five months off of a body? I don't know? Um? 762 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 1: Can you get UM? We could have him X rayed 763 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,920 Speaker 1: and it could tell us he has broken bones, but 764 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,400 Speaker 1: it's not going to tell us exactly probably what happened 765 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: to him at this point. So much evidence, the basic 766 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: things that could have been done at the scene were 767 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 1: not done, and I just I would exume his body 768 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,920 Speaker 1: if it was something that would give us answers, I 769 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,759 Speaker 1: would do it. But I'm not just gonna exume his 770 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 1: body if it's gonna just be Another person said, I 771 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 1: think I think I heard Keith Smith in the background, 772 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 1: go ahead, Kate. I was telling Sandy that when we 773 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,839 Speaker 1: first went back to talk to him, that first thing 774 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: he was saying was, you know what could your son drowned? 775 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 1: And right then I just knew that there was no 776 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,400 Speaker 1: going to be no effort towards his investigation. They let 777 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:54,320 Speaker 1: me repeat that, the parents of this boy go to 778 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,920 Speaker 1: police and they say, what the f can we do? Okay, 779 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 1: right there, that needs to go to the Attorney General's office. 780 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: Right there, they clearly don't have their heart in this investigation. 781 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,879 Speaker 1: We want justice. If you have any information, please dial 782 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 1: three zero nine seven six two nine five hundred repeat 783 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 1: three O nine seven six two nine five hundred or 784 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: two three nine two five eight eighty nine ninety five 785 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 1: two three nine two five eight eighty nine ninety five. 786 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:41,680 Speaker 1: Somebody knows something. Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off, goodbye friend,