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Speaker 1: Who are coming and all to the Heir Territory Podcast

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Speaker 1: presented by Fox One. My name is Sean Coleman. Hope,

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Speaker 1: wherever you are and wherever you are listening, you are

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Speaker 1: having a wonderful week in the midst of the Champion

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Speaker 1: Chip Series. But while baseball is going on on the diamond,

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Speaker 1: there is plenty to discuss when it comes to what

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Speaker 1: should be a busy off season for the Braves. And

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Speaker 1: we've opened it up to our listeners a special mailbag

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Speaker 1: edition of the Hair Territory Podcast. And of course there

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Speaker 1: are a few, if any, who are better equipped to

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Speaker 1: answer your questions than the one and only Steven Tolbert Stephen.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you against here. It's been a little

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Speaker 1: bit Hope you're well and looking forward to talking some

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Speaker 1: Raves baseball with you with some pretty good questions from

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's up, buddy. Yeah, we threw it out to

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Speaker 2: the listeners. We kind of crowd sourced some questions tonight.

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Speaker 2: The listeners as normal, came through Clutch. They sent a

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Speaker 2: bunch of really good questions. We kind of grouped them together.

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Speaker 2: We got four or five that we're gonna try to

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Speaker 2: answer tonight. Go kind of deeper into some of them

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Speaker 2: and kind of the spirit of the question and maybe

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Speaker 2: expound on it a little bit. But yeah, it's you know,

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Speaker 2: we're right in the middle of the playoffs. Of course,

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Speaker 2: the ALCS the NLCS are both going on right now.

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Speaker 2: World Series will be you know, near the end of

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Speaker 2: the month, and then boom, we're into the offseason mode

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Speaker 2: and that's when it's gonna really start getting fun. I

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Speaker 2: do expect the Braves to hire a manager sometime between

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Speaker 2: now and then. We'll see what happens. Obviously we'll come

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Speaker 2: on and break that, you know, have an emergency show

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Speaker 2: whenever that happens. But yeah, we gotta mail back question tonight.

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Speaker 2: Some fun things to talk.

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Speaker 1: About, absolutely, absolutely, and let's get right into it, because

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Speaker 1: I think that the you know, current managerial opening, you know,

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Speaker 1: another you know, already attractive managerial opening came available, I

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Speaker 1: think a bit unexpectedly over the past forty eight hours.

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Speaker 1: Mike Sheilt retired from being the Padres manager. So there,

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Speaker 1: with under multiple openings, you know, there's plenty to choose

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Speaker 1: to act sooner rather than later. And let's start there

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Speaker 1: when it comes to our mailbag questions. This comes from

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Speaker 1: Jason Reese at Jase eleven twenty nine. Jason, thank you

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Speaker 1: for the question, how do you like George Lombard as

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Speaker 1: a possible manager for the Braves? And Steve and I

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Speaker 1: have he checks a lot of boxes. As the first

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Speaker 1: it comes to him, you know, I mentioned that I

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Speaker 1: would really like an option that has had past managerial experience,

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Speaker 1: but more than anything, I want to coach that's been

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Speaker 1: contributed to multiple winners. He's been around a lot of

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Speaker 1: winning baseball. I think that's the big box that George

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Speaker 1: Lombard chicks, among many other connections to the Braves and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is a name that we've heard a lot,

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Speaker 3: He was.

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Speaker 2: A former player, a former top prospect for the Braves.

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Speaker 2: He was actually committed to go to the University of Georgia,

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Speaker 2: You know, they're not stuck in the past. Aj Hinch

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Speaker 3: And like I said, he's he's.

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Speaker 2: Been with the Dodgers, been with the Tigers, he knows

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Speaker 2: And when you have a team that's trying to win

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Speaker 3: So I think that's a fair counterpoint.

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Speaker 2: But like I said at the top, we've heard I've

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, you know, again, he checks those

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Speaker 1: it's the priority right now. We've also talked about what

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Speaker 2: throughout the season. I did not want We talked about

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I definite think those are two areas,

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Speaker 1: So Steve and I think that if you were to

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Speaker 3: Yes, I I could.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, And I didn't mean to put them in

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Speaker 1: presented by Fox One, and we're discussing we're discussing, you know,

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Speaker 1: this day. I believe that Russell Martin five years, eighty

437
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Speaker 1: two million back in twenty fourteen with the Toronto Blue

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Speaker 1: Jays was the largest contract he's ever handed out to

439
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Speaker 1: a pure free agent, not extension, not you know, not

440
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Speaker 1: someone that he traded for then extended. I could be wrong,

441
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Speaker 1: but I believe that that may be the largest free

442
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Speaker 1: agent contract he's ever signed. The point that I'm go ahead.

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Speaker 2: They ended up picking the option up on Ozuna, so

444
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Speaker 2: at the end that contract ended up being five years

445
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Speaker 2: and eighty something million, right.

446
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Speaker 1: But initially it was a one year, eighteen million dollar

447
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Speaker 1: deal that was pro rated in the twenty twenty year

448
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Speaker 1: and then he was extended for four sixty five before

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Speaker 1: the twenty one season.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't extended though Son is a free agent. It

451
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Speaker 2: was a one year deal and then they signed him

452
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Speaker 2: late as a free agent, so it.

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Speaker 3: Was a free agent contract.

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Speaker 2: So I think the final I think you're still right though,

455
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Speaker 2: because I think the Russell Martin deal actually was bigger. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So I think if you add in the option, they

457
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Speaker 2: ended up picking up Azuna's final deal into being like

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Speaker 2: five for eighty.

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Speaker 3: Or something eighty.

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Speaker 1: But to the point though it's that five year, eighty

461
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Speaker 1: million dollar deal, it really has been the range of

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Speaker 1: where Alex has been comfortable. He's extended people for more.

463
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Speaker 1: But the overall point, and you're right, it's two examples

464
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Speaker 1: are better than one. The overall point is is that

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Speaker 1: the Braves are not going to go out there, as

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Speaker 1: you mentioned last episode and be at the top of

467
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Speaker 1: the food chavem when it comes to free agents. He

468
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Speaker 1: wants to get value. There would be value in that

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Speaker 1: hasan Kim edition with how big of aholl the Braves

470
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Speaker 1: have had it shortstop. There would be value going to

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Speaker 1: get a player like Pablo Lopezu's value may be a

472
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Speaker 1: bit low because of the injury scare, but has multiple

473
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Speaker 1: years of control that could come in and really perform well.

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Speaker 1: And there could be value with getting an underrated signing

475
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Speaker 1: like a Devin Williams who's done well in the past,

476
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Speaker 1: could come into the brain system and do well. Once again,

477
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Speaker 1: there's value in those moves, and that's what we know.

478
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Speaker 1: Alexandopolis puts a lot of value on for better but

479
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Speaker 1: for last way of putting it. So it's not just

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Speaker 1: the names, it's the fact that the process about getting

481
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Speaker 1: those names really seems to be a sensible way for

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Speaker 1: Alex and Popleys to operate this offseason as he has

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Speaker 1: in the past.

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Speaker 2: So let me ask you a question, Sean, And I'm

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Speaker 2: assuming you didn't look this.

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Speaker 3: Up before, so I'm gonna take your word.

487
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Speaker 2: We all heard the same stuff about Devin Williams all year,

488
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Speaker 2: about the kind of year he had in New York.

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Speaker 2: If I just if I just said, what do you

490
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Speaker 2: think Devin williams FIP was in twenty twenty five?

491
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Speaker 3: What do you think it was?

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Speaker 1: I would say a three point three to five.

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Speaker 3: His FIP in twenty twenty five was a two six eight. Yeah, okay,

494
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Speaker 3: and his ex FIP was a two nine to five.

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Speaker 2: So you can forget everything I just said about Devin

496
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Speaker 2: Williams son a one year show me deal. Devin Williams

497
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Speaker 2: gonna get paid, Devin Wallie's gonna get paid a lot

498
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Speaker 2: of money people don't care about.

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Speaker 3: He had.

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Speaker 2: He had his era was almost in the fives. It

501
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Speaker 2: was a four to eight. But his strikeout numbers were insane.

502
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Speaker 2: He was striking out thirteen per nine innings.

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Speaker 3: He had.

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Speaker 2: His FIP and x FIP were both looked great. His

505
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Speaker 2: velocity still look normal. You could forget Devin Williams on

506
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Speaker 2: a value count. Devin Williams gonna get paid a lot

507
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Speaker 2: of money, so that might change the That might change

508
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Speaker 2: the evaluation here, And it doesn't mean Alex won't sign him.

509
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Speaker 2: Like you said that, one of the biggest contracts he

510
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Speaker 2: ever handed out was to a closer when he signed

511
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Speaker 2: will Smith, and he traded for even bigger contracts when

512
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Speaker 2: he traded for Rossly Iglesias. He took on that entire deal,

513
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Speaker 2: which is essentially like a free agent signing basically. So

514
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Speaker 2: he has shown he will spend money on bullpen. He

515
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Speaker 2: will especially spend money on closers. So Devin Williams could

516
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Speaker 2: still be the name, but I think it's gonna cost

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Speaker 2: a premium.

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Speaker 1: And Devin Williams also, but I'm not necessarily saying they're

519
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Speaker 1: the same repertoire. But it's a similar setup as rice

520
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Speaker 1: E Iglesias. We know Ryce eel Iglesias, you know, best

521
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Speaker 1: pitch is that change of It's the same with Devin Williams,

522
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Speaker 1: not justly overpowering stuff. So maybe he thinks Williams age

523
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Speaker 1: as well. So yes, I think that Williams could be there,

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Speaker 1: but to your point, he could pay. But in general,

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Speaker 1: the question about the level of names mentioned in that

526
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Speaker 1: question and the order of operations, the way about going

527
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Speaker 1: to get those names, I think that it is a

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Speaker 1: very sensible way of looking at the off season. And

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Speaker 1: if the Braves go about filling in, you know, those

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Speaker 1: needs that we talked about, an anchor guy in the bullpen,

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Speaker 1: significant rotation edition and you know another you know, or

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Speaker 1: the shortstop position obviously with Kim. If you've got that

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Speaker 1: as the basis for your off season, I think that

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Speaker 1: of left field plenty of times to make some very

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Speaker 1: noteworthy moves. Could that be in play this offseason as well?

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Speaker 1: So Stephen, you know we use left field. You know

562
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Speaker 1: I feel bad for left field because sometimes it's it's

563
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Speaker 1: kind of made fun of as the position on the diamond.

564
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Speaker 1: It's the unexpected area of the diamond where where things happen,

565
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Speaker 1: you know, when people describe what's going on. Again here

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Speaker 1: on the Hammer Teryory podcast presented by Fox One, Stephen,

567
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Speaker 1: if there was a move out of left field? This

568
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Speaker 1: question comes from let's see here not your father's podcast. Yeah,

569
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Speaker 1: not your father's pod. Are there any out of left

570
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Speaker 1: field moves you could see Alex making this offseason that

571
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Speaker 1: where that he would move a guy from the big

572
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Speaker 1: league team for a significant edition And he mentions other

573
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Speaker 1: than Sean Murphy who's been talked about now that qualifier,

574
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Speaker 1: that specific specific detail about of out of left field

575
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: move that that changes things a bit. But but what

576
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Speaker 1: are your thoughts about that and out of left field

577
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: move in and listen, Eve, it's even not moving a

578
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Speaker 1: guy off the roster. What would be an out of

579
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Speaker 1: left field move that you may be in favor of

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Speaker 1: this offseason?

581
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Alex is always good for not always good

582
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: for one of these, but can oftentimes be good for

583
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Speaker 2: one of these the way you know, obviously trading will

584
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Speaker 2: contreras in that offseason, no one, no one saw coming,

585
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Speaker 2: and obviously today there's a lot of people that still,

586
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Speaker 2: you know, don't enjoy that fact. But the fact is

587
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Speaker 2: we didn't see it coming. You know, the name I

588
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: always think about because he looks so good and he's

589
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Speaker 2: been linked to the Braves before is Jacob de Gram

590
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Speaker 2: in Texas because a the Rangers are reportedly trying to

591
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Speaker 2: cut payroll be he looked like old Jacob de Gram

592
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Speaker 2: last year. He's still got multiple years of team control.

593
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Speaker 2: The Rangers would definitely have to eat some of that money.

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Speaker 2: He's like, I think he makes like thirty five million

595
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Speaker 2: dollars year. I don't think the Braves would go there.

596
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Speaker 2: But like, if you told me they're gonna do like

597
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Speaker 2: a Chris sale where they go get a veteran like

598
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Speaker 2: ace level pitcher who had some injury concerns but they

599
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Speaker 2: feel good about and you told me it was Jacob

600
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Speaker 2: de Grim, it wouldn't stun me.

601
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Speaker 3: Now again, you have to figure out the money. The

602
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Speaker 3: money is a.

603
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Speaker 2: Big factor, and I'm I know I'm gonna get people

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Speaker 2: responding to this. You know, have you seen Jacob de

605
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Speaker 2: Graham's contract. It is a lot of money. But I

606
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Speaker 2: think it's only two years. I think it's only twenty

607
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Speaker 2: twenty six and twenty twenty seven. I think he has

608
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Speaker 2: a club option after that. I have to go back

609
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Speaker 2: and look, but I think he makes like thirty five

610
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Speaker 2: million dollars this year at thirty five million dollars next year,

611
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Speaker 2: So you'd have to figure out the money side. But like,

612
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Speaker 2: that's the level of move I would put in terms

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Speaker 2: of like, we did not see the Chris Sale move coming.

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Speaker 2: No one saw that move coming. I mean, as out

615
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Speaker 2: of left field as it gets. It was on no

616
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Speaker 2: one's radar because Chris Sale had these injuries. He had

617
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Speaker 2: used to have been an ace, but he'd had these

618
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Speaker 2: injuries and kind of had left peace people's mind in

619
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Speaker 2: that way and in a lot of the same ways

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Speaker 2: I can say about de gram and again de Graam

621
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Speaker 2: has spoken highly about the Braves in the past. I

622
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Speaker 2: actually thought the Braves might aggressively go after de Groam

623
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Speaker 2: when he became available with the Mets.

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Speaker 3: So that would not stun me.

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Speaker 2: There's a couple of out you know, outfielders are tough

626
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Speaker 2: because it's you know, I would not be stunned if

627
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Speaker 2: they went back to the Byron Buxton deal.

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Speaker 3: You know, anybody with the Twins.

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Speaker 2: The Twins are clearly clearly resetting the whole thing. So

630
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Speaker 2: like a Pablo Lopez Joe Ryan, the Twins still have

631
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Speaker 2: some decent relievers, Like none of that would surprise me.

632
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Speaker 2: You should never be surprised with anybody from the Rays.

633
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Speaker 2: They move people all the time. Brendan Lao for the

634
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Speaker 2: Rays would make a lot of sense. They've got some

635
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Speaker 2: pitching that would be interesting.

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Speaker 3: I mean not. You know, trades are tough because you

637
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Speaker 3: can really throw out so many names.

638
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Speaker 2: But de Gram is stuck in my head for the

639
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Speaker 2: last couple of weeks just because of the parallels to

640
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Speaker 2: Chris Sale and how it feels a lot the same.

641
00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 2: Now again, they have to work out the money. The

642
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: money is no joke. But if they were able to

643
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Speaker 2: do that, and the Rangers reportedly want to cut payroll,

644
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,479
Speaker 2: that would not that would not stumny.

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Speaker 1: So we are on similar tracks when it comes to

646
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Speaker 1: the out of left field move that I think the

647
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Speaker 1: Braves could make, and mine is more kind of the

648
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Speaker 1: format of the type of move that would come out

649
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Speaker 1: of left field than it is necessarily just an completely

650
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Speaker 1: off the radar move. I think that there is a

651
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Speaker 1: lot of sense being made in the Braves making a

652
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Speaker 1: trade to fill two needs at one time. I've seen

653
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Speaker 1: this discussed a bit on Braves Twitter, and I agree

654
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Speaker 1: with it as well.

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Speaker 3: You know, for TONI we're talking about we're talking about Ontani.

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Speaker 1: No, no, not that, not that level of killing two

657
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: birds with one stone. But Frank Ran in the past,

658
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: like will Owmen and Reed Johnson a bit bit to

659
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: a bit bigger scale though, you know, being able to

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Speaker 1: go out and get an arm and a bat in

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Speaker 1: the same move, that could make sense. Now it's identifying

662
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Speaker 1: the teams where it would make sense to go do that.

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Speaker 1: And you know, for instance, I don't think like the

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Speaker 1: Braves would go to the level of a Pablo Lopez

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Speaker 1: and Joe Ryan plus a Byron Buckston from the Twins

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Speaker 1: or Mitch Keller and Brian Reynolds from the Pirates. I

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Speaker 1: don't necessarily think that they would look to take on

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Speaker 1: two long term contracts like that in a move. But

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Speaker 1: what if you go to the Cardinals and you potentially

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Speaker 1: want to look at, you know, a Sunny Gray and

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Speaker 1: a Lars Nootbaar, if they would be interested in that,

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Speaker 1: if you could offer the right type of prospect package

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Speaker 1: to go get that type of combination. Talk about the

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Speaker 1: Rays a Brandon Law and a Griffin Jacks. You're able

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Speaker 1: to get your anchored gopen piece, plus you're able to

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Speaker 1: get that utility guy. Maybe if you want to take

677
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Speaker 1: another chance on a former top prospect who didn't pan out,

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Speaker 1: if you want to go talk with the Rangers who

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Speaker 1: want to cut costs, what about Nathan Yavali Valdi and

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Speaker 1: Evan Carter as a potential combination that could make sense.

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Speaker 1: The thing that I'm getting at is is that I

682
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Speaker 1: think that tandem type trade could make a lot of

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Speaker 1: sense for the Braves. It could potentially be that value

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Speaker 1: type move that Alex really values. And here's the other

685
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Speaker 1: reason why I think that it could make sense to

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Speaker 1: do it this offseason because the Braves, I feel, have

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00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: a bit more ammunition, have a bit more in that

688
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 1: prospect coupverared to trade this off season. But they also

689
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Speaker 1: are going to have a bit more ability to replenish

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Speaker 1: anything that they trade in that twenty six draft, especially

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Speaker 1: if Drake Baldwin wins Rookie of the Year. So I

692
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: think that that type of move could make a lot

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Speaker 1: of sense that Toronto Alex type move. You hear that

694
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Speaker 1: music playing that type of move, killing two birds with

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00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: one stone, filling two needs with one trade. I definitely

696
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: think could make sense, and this would be the time

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Speaker 1: to do it to really improve the team for twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I could see, you know, especially the

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00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 2: Cardinals one again, Sonny Gray makes a lot of money

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Speaker 2: next year. You have to work out the money. But

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals. Cardinals are in such a weird spot. I

702
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 2: don't really know what they're doing. The Brewers and the

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00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: Cubs have just so completely passed them. You know, they're

704
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Speaker 2: kind of stuck in the middle, which is where you

705
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: don't want to be.

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Speaker 3: What's the GM's name.

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00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: They just retired there, John Mosela, Mazela, that's right, he

708
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 2: just retired. So they got a whole new front office

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00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: coming in not tied to any of those players. So

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Speaker 2: I would not be surprised if if Saint Louis is

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Speaker 2: aggressive and trying to move pieces around. They have a

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00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: couple of hitters that I would be interested in. Brendan

713
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 2: Donovan has always been one of my favorite players, but

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they would let him go, But yeah,

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00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: that would make sense. Yeah, the Rays, like I always

716
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: say Brenda Lalle is gonna get traded every year, like

717
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 2: he's just the type of guy they usually move on

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Speaker 2: from for a young player.

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Speaker 3: They haven't done it yet.

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Speaker 2: The Pirates do make some sense with uh, with with Keller,

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Speaker 2: I don't Yeah, I don't know if the Braids would

722
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: take on that deal though. Yeah, I mean there's there's

723
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Speaker 2: there's there's stuff out there. Again, trades are so difficult

724
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 2: because a you don't know who's available. Like I can

725
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: make some interesting trade with the Giants, I can make

726
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: some interesting trades with the Diamondbacks. I can make some

727
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: interesting trades with the Padres. You know, there's always been

728
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Speaker 2: talk like the Padres are trying to clear money. The

729
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: Padres have kind of outspent there. You know, they are

730
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: allotment the last few years and at some point I

731
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: got have to roll it all back. If they ever

732
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: got to that point, I could make some interesting trades

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Speaker 2: with the Padres. You know, there's there's teams out there,

734
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Speaker 2: but you never know who's actually available. We don't get

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00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 2: that on the public side.

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Speaker 3: We don't. We just don't get that information. Now. We

737
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 3: hear stuff privately sometimes, but we have very rarely. Is

738
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Speaker 3: it to that level, So.

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Speaker 2: We'll see I could, I could see a lot of that,

740
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: But for some reason, de Gram is stuck in my

741
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: head as like the Chris Sale move. And maybe I'm

742
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: being biased because the Chris Sale move worked out so well,

743
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: because the d Gram move would also obviously have some

744
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 2: serious risk attached to it and it could blow up

745
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 2: in your face pretty hard if he gets hurt again.

746
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I with Alex, you always need

747
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 2: to expect that there might be something like that coming

748
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 2: down the pike.

749
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know the thing is is that again,

750
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: he probably hasn't made as many headlines through trades like

751
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: he didn't try. But when you look at this current

752
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: Braves team, the big moves that he's added that weren't

753
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: part of the Braves organization, Matt Olsen, Sean Murphy, Chris Sale,

754
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: all of Ryce so Le Iglesias, all of them trades.

755
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: You know, Marcello's are not really signed, but the majority

756
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: of them have been through trades. So I would not

757
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: be surprised if he went that route again, and if

758
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: he made sense to make a tandem deal. I think

759
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: this will be the off season to explore it again,

760
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 1: especially with the enhance stability in the twenty sixth draft

761
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: to replenish, you know, some of what you may trade

762
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: in a potential move this off season. Stephen, do you

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00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 1: have anything else? As we wrap up this mail bag

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Speaker 1: edition of The Hammer Territory Podcast, thanks so much, listen.

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Speaker 1: The reason why we do mail bag additions is because

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Speaker 1: it allows for us to be able to cover topics

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00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: that you, the listener's braves country finds interesting and also

768
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: it's just fun to talk about. It's fun to speculate.

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Speaker 1: This is the time to speculate. This is the time

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00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: to get a little crasp it comes to predictions and

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00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: that is always fun. Stephen, anything else for you? As

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Speaker 1: we wrap up this edition of the Hammer Territory Podcast.

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Speaker 3: No shout out to the listeners for coming through with

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Speaker 3: some questions.

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00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 2: I sent that tweet out of like five pm Eastern,

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Speaker 2: which is like the exact opposite time that you want

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00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 2: to be sending out a tweet anytime you need engagement

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00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 2: to go with it, and there was just a ton

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00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: of responses. We We're gonna save a bunch of them

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Speaker 2: because this is not the last mail bag that we're

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00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: going to do this offseason for sure, so we'll get

782
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 2: to more of them as we go through the off season.

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00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: We just picked four or five that we felt were

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00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 2: the most interesting tonight. But yeah, shout out to the fans.

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00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: Of course, we're just kind of in wait and see mode.

786
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 3: On the manager. I do think the news is going

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Speaker 3: to come.

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00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be just out of nowhere,

789
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 2: a blue box gets tweeted out by the team account

790
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 2: and the Brays have anue manager. I do not see

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00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 2: there being a lot of smoke leading up like there

792
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 2: is for some other clubs. There are a lot of

793
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: openings in baseball right now for managers. There's like seven

794
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 2: or eight. I think the Padres made eight or nine.

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00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: I can't remember exactly how many. There's a I don't

796
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 2: really remember an obviouseeason with this many teams needing managers.

797
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: So that could lead to this emergency where the Braves

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00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: want to make a move to get their guy because

799
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: there's heavy competition for him. So we'll see, we'll see

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00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 2: what happens. Obviously, as soon as it drops, we'll be

801
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: on here talking about it. And then when we get

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00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: to the end of the month and kind of beginning

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00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 2: of November, we jump into the season or the off season,

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00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 2: and there's a whole bunch of dates that stack up

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00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 2: and are important, and we'll get to all that when

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00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: it's time, but we appreciate the support as always, and yeah,

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00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: we'll be here to cover at all.

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Speaker 1: And I do I've seen a couple of you know,

809
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: think pieces out there that have written about it and

810
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: all that different stuff. I feel like there's not much

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00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: debate there. The Braves are the most attractive job out

812
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: there right now when it comes to filling a manager's position.

813
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but all I have to do is just

814
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: mention the name Ronald Acuna Junior and that immediately takes

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Speaker 1: care of eighty percent of the argument. And I know

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Speaker 1: I may be a bit biased, but I don't think

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Speaker 1: that it's going to come down to that. Like I

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00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: think that Alex probably has a candidate or two in

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Speaker 1: mind that he's probably not gonna have to fight other

820
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Speaker 1: teams for. But it doesn't hurt that the Braves are

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Speaker 1: a pretty attractive job compared to their long term outlook.

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Speaker 1: And it starts with Alex and Thopolis himself as well.

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00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: So again I agree with you. I think the manager

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Speaker 1: position is going to be filled, and hopefully quickly, because

825
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: then that can lead us to you know, purely focusing

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Speaker 1: on what to add to the roster. But again very

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Speaker 1: busy offseason. As Scott and Stephen discussed last time as well,

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Speaker 1: we know that Alexanthopolis loves to do his heavy lifting

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Speaker 1: in early November, so once we get past the games

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Speaker 1: being played in ending this season, we really could see

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Speaker 1: Alex and Thoppolis take center stage. But can't thank you

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