Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? So today everybody is a special special
Speaker 1: day on Are you a Charlotte? The one and only
Speaker 1: Kyle McLaughlin is here joining us to talk everything Tray
Speaker 1: and Charlotte.
Speaker 2: I brought the cardboard baby, it's just outside. Allowed so
Speaker 2: happy to be here. Thank you for having me on,
Speaker 2: Thank you for being here to get into everything.
Speaker 1: It's a fun conversation you guys. Kyle has an amazing,
Speaker 1: amazing style and home day Corps.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: I got some really good advice from Kyle back in
Speaker 1: the day.
Speaker 2: Remind me what I said to you.
Speaker 1: I had a really really old apartment Upper West Side,
Speaker 1: pre war and yeah, and you and I said, I
Speaker 1: don't know, there's like wires coming out of the walls,
Speaker 1: and I don't know. And you said, you need an
Speaker 1: alibat sconce that's the time, and this is where you
Speaker 1: go to get it. And I still have them. I
Speaker 1: love them. I don't have anywhere to put them now.
Speaker 1: You still have them, you say, because they're gorgeous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a beautiful light that comes out of there.
Speaker 1: Very fat, very flattery, very warm, light, warm.
Speaker 2: And sauce, I know makes us look good like the lighting.
Speaker 1: You have hairs warm, and I know I feel strongly
Speaker 1: about lighting.
Speaker 3: It's important, right, oh my god. And the older we
Speaker 3: get more important, it becomes right. Yeah, that's what I
Speaker 3: love about your hair. I think your hair.
Speaker 1: Is kind of like creating like a beautiful halo around
Speaker 1: your face.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. I'm glad I have it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you still have a ton of it, a lot of hair.
Speaker 2: It's a little different color.
Speaker 1: I know, But wasn't it that color then too?
Speaker 2: And you were I've been coloring my hair for oh.
Speaker 2: I started going gray in my twenties.
Speaker 1: She's so crazy hereditary.
Speaker 2: She was totally gray in college. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And did she just wear it?
Speaker 2: Well, my mom.
Speaker 3: Changed her look any many times, so she you know,
Speaker 3: she colored her hair and then she had a wig
Speaker 3: phase and then oh yeah, the whole thing it was.
Speaker 3: It was the sixties and seventies. It was all about that,
Speaker 3: you know. It was kind of upstyle blonde.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: She was very very in the small town of Yakama.
Speaker 3: She was very fashion amazing. I guess fashion aware, not
Speaker 3: ye a fashion forward, necessarily fashion.
Speaker 1: That would be hard in Yakama.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: But I remember at the time that we were on
Speaker 1: the show, we would talk about your hair and how like,
Speaker 1: would you ever be able to just be your natural
Speaker 1: gray self?
Speaker 2: Now you are and now I love it. It's happy
Speaker 2: I gave up and you're embracing it. I think it's
Speaker 2: to thank you.
Speaker 1: And went walked in the Vogue World.
Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, the other night that was really fun?
Speaker 1: Was it?
Speaker 2: That was really fun? Yeah? It was.
Speaker 3: I mean Bazi Lhrman did the whole thing and it
Speaker 3: was just so beautifully realized, I thought, and a nice
Speaker 3: a meshing of fashion and the fashion world of course
Speaker 3: and all of the designers right shows, yeah, films, and it.
Speaker 2: Was really great.
Speaker 3: And it was huge, big, so big, over one hundred
Speaker 3: and forty people walking in the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I heard makeup room alone. It wasn't even
Speaker 3: a room, it was a They had a sound stage.
Speaker 3: Wow filled, Wow, it was wild.
Speaker 1: Did you film it?
Speaker 2: I did a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 3: I felt a little like not uncomfortable, but like, oh,
Speaker 3: I don't know, invade everyone's getting ready and I was
Speaker 3: like not really the.
Speaker 1: Time, that's a good point.
Speaker 2: So I did it kind of wide and sort of vague.
Speaker 1: But that's interesting. I think that's really interesting. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would like to be there. That would be interesting, though
Speaker 1: I would not want to walk in that thing. Are
Speaker 1: you not that brave?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: You just walked down the street really yes on paramount. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you just walked down and there's people from other side.
Speaker 3: They're cheering you on, like, okay, that's okay, very positive fun.
Speaker 1: I think you're very You've walked in shows before and things.
Speaker 1: You've done a lot of things I have not done.
Speaker 1: I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Feel like you're the time is now.
Speaker 1: Well, the time is now, for sure. But also I
Speaker 1: think you have to know your like your wheelhouse or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's mine.
Speaker 2: Oh I would I would not discount that at all.
Speaker 1: Right, that's very real, perfect, thank you. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel I feel like you have
Speaker 1: had in some ways, like many different careers, but maybe
Speaker 1: it's just different eras journy mean, and you always kind
Speaker 1: of had one foot in fashion and design.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like all of that and have been able
Speaker 3: to sort of I was able to manifest it at
Speaker 3: a certain time and it sort of stays around. I mean,
Speaker 3: that was one of the pleasures of doing this world
Speaker 3: was I got to see people that I hadn't seen,
Speaker 3: oh for like over twenty years.
Speaker 1: Amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, some of the makeup and hair people that I remember,
Speaker 3: and and the Winter was there, and it's nice to
Speaker 3: see her again. And I mean I see her occasionally
Speaker 3: out and everything, but within the confines of the fashion element,
Speaker 3: it was really fun.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's go back in time.
Speaker 3: Let's go back in time. Do we need to do
Speaker 3: anything special? Is there a music cue?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Do we?
Speaker 1: We're a low fie. We're a little fie. We just
Speaker 1: go back in our minds.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: Just come with me as much as much as you can.
Speaker 1: There's your coffee that's going to help.
Speaker 2: This is going to help me go back in time,
Speaker 2: fuel the memories to tell you that right now.
Speaker 1: I do think there was a lot of coffee going
Speaker 1: on our sets because we were working all.
Speaker 2: Night, working, oh my gosh, working.
Speaker 1: All night, Oh my gosh, all the time, right.
Speaker 2: And it was mostly you and me.
Speaker 3: That's some people ask me to say, hey, what was
Speaker 3: it like, you know, with all the girls and everything,
Speaker 3: And I was like, I don't know. I worked with
Speaker 3: Kristen and we did our thing, and then I would
Speaker 3: come out and you know, and I'd see, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm somebody else walking around. John Corporate would be there
Speaker 3: and it's pink slippers and slippers and whatever.
Speaker 2: Bathrob you had on. You know, you're up. You know,
Speaker 2: that was kind of the way it was.
Speaker 1: But you know what I did remember too, And I mean,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about when you first came, but
Speaker 1: but what I did remember because I was watching last night,
Speaker 1: right because you were coming. And I try I do
Speaker 1: my best to be really disciplined about the rewatch because
Speaker 1: I haven't rewatched these things in thirty years, right, so
Speaker 1: it's it's I try to rewatch right before I'm going
Speaker 1: to come talk to whoever it is. But with us
Speaker 1: that we had so many episodes and it's a whole, big,
Speaker 1: big storyline, and I just fell down the rabbit hole
Speaker 1: and I was just watching and watching and watching, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I've got to go to sleep. I've
Speaker 1: got to go to sleep. But it's so good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really held up, Like have you rewatched it?
Speaker 2: I haven't rewatched it, but I remember it being good.
Speaker 3: At the time, I thought I thought the one of
Speaker 3: the strengths in particularly our stuff was you know, let's
Speaker 3: say the conceit of what was happening was funny and embarrassing,
Speaker 3: let's I'll be honest. But at the same time, they
Speaker 3: gave us a chance to deal with it in a
Speaker 3: fairly educational and understanding.
Speaker 1: And I think so too, non judge, non judgy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and you know, the mind of the humor
Speaker 3: of it. But it was it was definitely something that
Speaker 3: was it had I think it had a deeper it
Speaker 3: was a deeper thing going on there.
Speaker 2: That's which I really which I really appreciate.
Speaker 1: Definitely. Did they tell you when you came, because this
Speaker 1: is what I remember. I remember that I knew this
Speaker 1: was going to happen, right, that this storyline was coming.
Speaker 1: We didn't know it would be you, of course, and
Speaker 1: the original plan that I think, I mean, I knew
Speaker 1: that Charlotte was going to, you know, be hell bent
Speaker 1: on getting married, which made sense for her blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And I would, you know, had my books and my
Speaker 1: different things, you know, And I remember that being very
Speaker 1: challenging for me because I don't really subscribe to that
Speaker 1: or whatever, but I know there are people who do. Exactly,
Speaker 1: I had to do my research and get get the
Speaker 1: books ready. And then I knew that you were going
Speaker 1: to come you whoever you would be, Trey, and that
Speaker 1: she would get what she wanted. But then it wouldn't
Speaker 1: work out. And I didn't know why right and then,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know who it would be. And at
Speaker 1: that point we had just started to get the significant
Speaker 1: guys like Eigenberg was there. You know, we already had
Speaker 1: Chris of course from the beginning, but then Corbett had come,
Speaker 1: and you know, Sir Jessica was involved, and I think
Speaker 1: Cynthia was involved in Eigenberg, and so I thought I
Speaker 1: might get to be involved. Then Michael Patrick went to
Speaker 1: a picnic one weekend and met you. Do you remember this?
Speaker 2: I can't remember a picnic.
Speaker 1: You red picnic, I don't know. He comes to work
Speaker 1: Monday morning, He's like, I've got your guy and I
Speaker 1: was like, wait, wait, I don't get to meet it.
Speaker 1: I said, who is he? He said, Tom McLaughlin. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, no complaints, no complaints. I'm very excited.
Speaker 1: That was how it happened. I said, well, what how
Speaker 1: what happened? He said, I went to this picnic and
Speaker 1: he was there and I just just couldn't stop thinking
Speaker 1: about how perfect he'd be and he was so charming.
Speaker 1: And do you not remember this?
Speaker 3: MPK, No, no, no, I remember the picnic, but I
Speaker 3: do remember the meeting that I had with me and
Speaker 3: Jenny Bicks.
Speaker 1: Oh got it. So you did have an official meeting.
Speaker 2: We did, Okay, we did.
Speaker 1: What did they say to you?
Speaker 3: Well, the thing that stand out or stood out to me,
Speaker 3: And this again, this is a long time ago. I
Speaker 3: think it had been presented to me like come, you know,
Speaker 3: join the cast sect in the city. He's a little
Speaker 3: bit of a descriptor, like he's on the Upper east Side.
Speaker 3: You know, he has kind of a kind of a
Speaker 3: strong mother. He is a heart surgeon, you know, he
Speaker 3: seeks athletic, you know. And at that point in my career,
Speaker 3: I was like, this is perfect, I said, because I've
Speaker 3: been playing Agent Dale Cooper, and I've been playing you know,
Speaker 3: somewhat eccentric, sort of odd ball.
Speaker 1: Characters, romantic character romantic characters.
Speaker 3: And I said, this is a great opportunity to finally,
Speaker 3: you know, tap into that because I've been kind of pigeonholed.
Speaker 3: And so I was really excited at the meeting and
Speaker 3: I came and I think it was at the Region
Speaker 3: the Regency. I think, oh wow, I think it was
Speaker 3: on the hotel.
Speaker 2: Yeah. We went up uptown, Okay, and we sat down
Speaker 2: and we had you.
Speaker 3: Known't coffee and stuff and they were they were talking
Speaker 3: about the show and pleasantries, you know, and Jenny was
Speaker 3: there and uh. And then so they started to go
Speaker 3: into this thing and I'm kind of like, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm kind of excited to talking about you know, I
Speaker 3: think he's he's a guy spends time in Central Park.
Speaker 2: You know, he's probably only be some surgery stuff, you know.
Speaker 3: And I was like, all this kind of stuff going on,
Speaker 3: and they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, fine, and they said,
Speaker 3: but the two things he said. One, he's he's got
Speaker 3: kind of an unusual relationship with his mother. She's got
Speaker 3: a dominating so he's got very close and and and
Speaker 3: he's impotent. And I was like and I was like,
Speaker 3: he's impotent.
Speaker 2: I was like, and I'm there like this, and I'm smiling,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know, just when you think you're
Speaker 2: going to get out, you back in.
Speaker 4: And I was like yeah, and mother, yeah, but they
Speaker 4: told me, they told me, they told me, and I
Speaker 4: was like, you know, listen there.
Speaker 2: It's a talented cast, talented writers.
Speaker 3: The show was incredibly popular, and I was like, I'm in,
Speaker 3: you know what am we gonna?
Speaker 1: Thank God, thank god you're in. Thank God you're in.
Speaker 1: And then do you remember? And I don't know exactly
Speaker 1: the specifics, but I think I feel like at some
Speaker 1: point to two things changed once you came. One was
Speaker 1: that I think originally you were only supposed to be
Speaker 1: like it was. It was a short arc, right, it
Speaker 1: was supposed to have three episodes or six fall apart,
Speaker 1: right like quick. But then we were like, no, no,
Speaker 1: we can't part with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah it extended, you know, and I was so happy.
Speaker 2: Good choice of worried it extended.
Speaker 1: It's okay, that's all right, free here could be whatever
Speaker 1: this visual.
Speaker 3: But I was so happy because I was really enjoying
Speaker 3: my time and working with you absolutely, and the writing
Speaker 3: was exceptional, and you know, there was and it was funny.
Speaker 3: That was the thing. I mean, we treated it. Trey
Speaker 3: treated it. He you know, he sort of like stiff
Speaker 3: upper lip. Sorry that's another one. But he kept you know,
Speaker 3: he kept you know, he kept his sense of humor
Speaker 3: about you know, frustrated.
Speaker 2: But and then.
Speaker 3: There I mentioned Francis Sternhagen and more a wonderful, wonderful
Speaker 3: person and actress and so and I thought, I thought
Speaker 3: that relationship was also very funny and fraught with all
Speaker 3: sorts of you know.
Speaker 1: So interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh boy, this guy's in trouble. It was an
Speaker 3: instant character. He was complicated and.
Speaker 1: Unlike anything else.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, but that's also why, like in a way,
Speaker 1: like in a what you bring something? You know, all
Speaker 1: of us actors have something that we bring, right, and
Speaker 1: for you, what I think you and why you had
Speaker 1: someone gotten, you know, somewhat pigeonholed by Cooper because he
Speaker 1: was so amazing, right because your your relationship with Lina.
Speaker 1: I mean, everything was just worked so beautifully. And I
Speaker 1: mean I watched every episode. You know, it was a diehard,
Speaker 1: which I think when you came, I had to like,
Speaker 1: you know, like don't fangirl, don't fan girl, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's like embarrassing in a way because I've got
Speaker 1: to work with you and you've got to be tray
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah. But in my mind, I'm like, ah, anyway,
Speaker 1: I mean, but I think you bring an intelligence, you
Speaker 1: bring a bit of a sweetness which is kind of unexpected,
Speaker 1: and someone so handsome, and then you do bring an eccentricity,
Speaker 1: and when you mix those things, it's a very unique mix.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that you work so beautifully with
Speaker 1: Trey Well.
Speaker 2: I think you're also talking about your character.
Speaker 3: Thank you and you because that mix of things is very,
Speaker 3: very very there and right at the surface, and you
Speaker 3: have an extra thing which I think is kind of wonderful,
Speaker 3: which I don't know if you ever spoke about this,
Speaker 3: but I feel like I said with with Kristin, I said,
Speaker 3: I don't know if she realizes she she's funny. I
Speaker 3: think she knows she's funny. If she's inadvertently funny, it's
Speaker 3: one of the great comic comedic qualities that you could
Speaker 3: possibly have, because I think there are you know, a
Speaker 3: number of people throughout the history of film and television
Speaker 3: that you don't know kind of what's going on, you know.
Speaker 2: Funny, I do.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I mean, I think I feel that this
Speaker 1: is what I think about that in life previous to
Speaker 1: like success, right when you're just trying to act, you know,
Speaker 1: which I've been trying to do my whole life. It
Speaker 1: was the kind of situation where you know with guys,
Speaker 1: like if I was dating somebody, we got in a fight,
Speaker 1: they would laugh and I would be so bad, but
Speaker 1: like my comedic because my feeling, my feelings are so big, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I'd get very super animated, and then they would laugh
Speaker 1: at me, and I'd be like, stop laughing, I am serious,
Speaker 1: but you know they're laughing at me, right, And so
Speaker 1: at a certain point you'd go like, hmm, well not
Speaker 1: as interesting. It does hurt my feelings in the moment.
Speaker 1: But once we started the show Jenny Bicks, when she
Speaker 1: came on, she said to me, I didn't know if
Speaker 1: you were funny or not. I thought, well, she's really
Speaker 1: pretty and she's really nice and talented, but I don't
Speaker 1: know if she's funny. And then they wrote a scene
Speaker 1: in one of her first episodes where I contemplate having
Speaker 1: a threesome and then it really is just the other
Speaker 1: two want to make out, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And they kind of pushed me off the bed. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh no, you know, it's very Charlotte moment,
Speaker 5: like she's trying something that's uncomfortable and it doesn't go right,
Speaker 5: and I kind of fall slowly off the bed, but
Speaker 5: I'm also trying to keep my skirt from writing up,
Speaker 5: which was really me, you know, right, Kristen as an
Speaker 5: actress as.
Speaker 2: Well, like.
Speaker 1: And then she thought, oh, thank god, she's funny, right,
Speaker 1: and then they because they knew me, and I think
Speaker 1: because Charlotte had such an earnestness, yes, which played to
Speaker 1: my strengths, yes, right, so that I could. I always
Speaker 1: knew as Charlotte that the way to make Charlotte funny
Speaker 1: was to really have deep feelings, to really invest, which
Speaker 1: I think is something that I think some young actors
Speaker 1: sometimes don't understand, Like they want to play it cool,
Speaker 1: but cool is not really funny, right, you know.
Speaker 3: I think that following the truth, which I think is
Speaker 3: what you're saying, and in terms of what's happening in
Speaker 3: the emotions and really believing it and then kind of
Speaker 3: it's like you turn the dial up one more thing. Yes,
Speaker 3: so it's not extreme, but it's enough to just people go,
Speaker 3: oh my god, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, thank you, thank you that little extra. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: I think I've always admired that, and I think we
Speaker 1: had it together so well, like we were so well.
Speaker 2: It was super dry, right, very you know you were
Speaker 2: super dry.
Speaker 1: I'm not super dry, do what I mean. But that's
Speaker 1: why it works, right, Yeah, When I watch us, I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of amazed, like I don't know, and I've
Speaker 1: had amazing coasters. Obviously, Evan's amazing, you know who came later,
Speaker 1: such a great actors, But like the ease, I don't
Speaker 1: feel like I have a different thing with him. And
Speaker 1: obviously it's been forever that we've worked together, where like
Speaker 1: you kind of just know what each other's going to
Speaker 1: do in that way, and I didn't really feel that
Speaker 1: way with you, Like I wasn't quite sure what you
Speaker 1: were going to do in an exciting way, right, like
Speaker 1: in a way where you're like there right right. And
Speaker 1: I also think because the relationship was written so unusually
Speaker 1: like that, it's not something that we've really seen before
Speaker 1: or since. Yeah, right, And I think that's partly why.
Speaker 1: And I'm just going to leap in here because it's
Speaker 1: on my mind partly why you didn't want to come
Speaker 1: on and just like that and wrap it up.
Speaker 3: Well, it was partly that, yeah, because I feel when
Speaker 3: they came and presented an idea and I was like,
Speaker 3: I get I see it.
Speaker 2: It's so kind of a one joke idea. And I
Speaker 2: was like, and I really felt I.
Speaker 3: Felt like we had invested so much in this relationship
Speaker 3: and and I think culminating in that moment when I
Speaker 3: actually return and we do the photo because it's important
Speaker 3: to you so sweet. Yeah, and I felt like, you know,
Speaker 3: there's there's more here than that, and I and I
Speaker 3: was just like, and I felt I felt like because
Speaker 3: it would have been fun to come back. I mean,
Speaker 3: we just really wanted I know I was, and I
Speaker 3: was like, this would have been great. Yeah, But I
Speaker 3: just felt like and so I kind of, you know, said,
Speaker 3: you know, I'd love to hear an idea. Not to
Speaker 3: insinuate myself into the show, but let's have a couple
Speaker 3: of episodes or something or something.
Speaker 1: That has, I agree, a beginning, middle, and an end,
Speaker 1: not just like putting a correct finished like this is
Speaker 1: what it is I could put. Yeah, I agree, I agree.
Speaker 1: When I saw you at the party, I'm glad that
Speaker 1: I started at the party because I was so sad
Speaker 1: that she didn't come back. I was like, oy said no,
Speaker 1: I was like what, And of course I didn't hear anymore, right,
Speaker 1: I just heard that you said, right, So then I
Speaker 1: observe what I saw you because it didn't make sense.
Speaker 1: And I also feel like people like because I wasn't
Speaker 1: ever rewatching right, because I felt like, well, I'm just
Speaker 1: going to live in the past if I just watch
Speaker 1: the show all the time. Right, So now I have
Speaker 1: a job where I get to rewatch the show, which
Speaker 1: is fun. And it's also fun because people talk to
Speaker 1: me about it all the time, and people talk about
Speaker 1: us in a very interesting way, which is not that
Speaker 1: they don't love Harry. They do. And I think that
Speaker 1: people feel like that was the right thing for Charlotte.
Speaker 1: But I think there's also like whenever I anything comes
Speaker 1: up and I put it on social media, I can't
Speaker 1: remember what I put on. I must have been a
Speaker 1: podcast related thing. But people start in the comments like,
Speaker 1: you know, you shouldn't have given up on Trey or
Speaker 1: you know whatever, and then other people.
Speaker 2: Are like, of course, cardboard baby, it's a problem.
Speaker 1: Baby is a problem because then I think I put
Speaker 1: like I can't really remember, and I still can't remember
Speaker 1: every detail because there was kind of a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a lot going on there.
Speaker 3: I know it was kind of a blur to the
Speaker 3: end and then we you know, we went through kind
Speaker 3: of the difficulties, and then then there was then there
Speaker 3: was too much you know what I mean, which people
Speaker 3: forget about that, and then and then and then it
Speaker 3: sort of ended. And I think in some ways, and
Speaker 3: I don't I've never asked anyone. I said, I feel
Speaker 3: like they had to end it somehow, right, and they
Speaker 3: didn't know.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a good.
Speaker 1: Point, well, because I think everything had gone off the
Speaker 1: track of the plan when you showed up. Because the
Speaker 1: plan also and I don't know if you knew this,
Speaker 1: remember the boat that we go on this boat with Sarah,
Speaker 1: Jessica and Chris. Yeah, I had forgotten that scene until
Speaker 1: I watched it, and then I remembered that the original
Speaker 1: idea was that you were going to be like a
Speaker 1: dud and that everyone was going to be born in general,
Speaker 1: in general, a short version of Trey was that Tray
Speaker 1: wasn't interesting. That Tray looked perfect, right, and it was
Speaker 1: kind of scenario was perfect, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like the side exactly right.
Speaker 6: So you came that's the plan change, right, And obviously
Speaker 6: I mean I'm in that scene and you're You're telling
Speaker 6: the story of us meeting, and Carrie's like, I've already
Speaker 6: heard this story three times, you know, on the voiceover, right,
Speaker 6: and you're telling it and.
Speaker 1: I'm just laughing. I just think it's the best thing.
Speaker 1: But the original idea was that you it would be
Speaker 1: like that couple that's super boring together and that everyone
Speaker 1: is like, oh God, who's going to go talk to
Speaker 1: the new husband? Right, No one was to be stuck
Speaker 1: in a corner with the husband who's going to like
Speaker 1: jack your ear off about some boring something, right. But
Speaker 1: then you were you, and so it didn't really work okay, right,
Speaker 1: I mean it kind of worked like that. We were
Speaker 1: an annoying new.
Speaker 2: Couple, do you know what I mean? Like most new
Speaker 2: couples are pretty annoying.
Speaker 1: Right, And I'm just giggling at everything you say, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like yeah, and then you know, like it's
Speaker 1: a little over the top, and she's like, oh god, right,
Speaker 1: but we couldn't. That didn't last. But that had been
Speaker 1: the original I didn't know.
Speaker 2: I didn't know, interesting.
Speaker 1: Well it was. I think it just had to go
Speaker 1: out the window when you showed up and they had
Speaker 1: to shift.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I had to figure out and then they
Speaker 2: had to figure out kind of how to end it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which and I still to this day because I said,
Speaker 3: what's why would I bring her a cardboard baby? I
Speaker 3: was literally I was like, this doesn't track for me
Speaker 3: at all. But I said, I understand it from the outside, like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, he's like so off track whatever, Yeah, that
Speaker 3: he thinks that this is acceptable. And I said, well,
Speaker 3: do I do I play it that I'm clueless? And
Speaker 3: I said, I'm not clueless, or do I play it
Speaker 3: that I'm deliberately trying to end it and being so
Speaker 3: kind of cruel?
Speaker 2: Oh? Do I play that?
Speaker 1: Did? They say?
Speaker 2: Yes, No, this isn't me thinking to myself, how I
Speaker 2: make this work?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Would you do?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 3: I finally just kind of didn't make any choice at all.
Speaker 3: I just kind of just said cardboard baby, and I
Speaker 3: just said, oh, well, the it's going to be.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it's going to be. It's going
Speaker 2: to be so outrageous.
Speaker 3: I said, people are going to have any number of
Speaker 3: reactions to it, and I didn't really.
Speaker 2: Know how to place it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, but I thought because in general,
Speaker 1: and I didn't get that far last night because I
Speaker 1: was like, I will be up all night watching the Show's.
Speaker 2: Amazing, right.
Speaker 1: I know it would have been amazing, but I would
Speaker 1: be very, very tired right now and probably not making
Speaker 1: full sentences. And I always tough.
Speaker 2: Work as well.
Speaker 1: I was like, he's not that far away. I could
Speaker 1: maybe make him come back. That's what I thought, But
Speaker 1: I I think that what I think that the idea,
Speaker 1: at least from my understanding, And I also think about
Speaker 1: this in retrospect, like I wasn't I was. I can't
Speaker 1: remember how old I was at this point, like mid thirties.
Speaker 1: All my friends hadn't started doing the fertility stuff yet
Speaker 1: later on they all did, right, And I thought, Oh,
Speaker 1: I do not know if I play this like right?
Speaker 2: Oh you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Because you remember like I'm trying and I want to try,
Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm tired, I don't want to try
Speaker 1: anymore and I want to play golf. That's what I
Speaker 1: remember as being the end. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Because I'm like, that's very funny.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was painful and also exactly the Carpoord
Speaker 1: Baby I felt like was like a I felt like
Speaker 1: Trey was trying to be funny like to like in
Speaker 1: a weird way, like I'm just going to try to
Speaker 1: make light of this because I don't know what else
Speaker 1: to do, you.
Speaker 5: Know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Because at that point we were not on the same
Speaker 1: and we were not on the same track, and you
Speaker 1: were just like, I'm going to hope that I can
Speaker 1: make this joke and that we can get on with
Speaker 1: it and just live a happy life. That's kind of
Speaker 1: what you wanted. And I mean I have known couples
Speaker 1: where the woman is just so like you know, the
Speaker 1: baby thing can be all consuming, right, like fully all consuming,
Speaker 1: almost to the detriment of the relationship, you know, right,
Speaker 1: like you get like it's in your bones or whatever
Speaker 1: that you have to continue, do you I mean, even though
Speaker 1: it's hell right like hell on earth. I mean we
Speaker 1: probably all have friends have gone through this. I certainly have,
Speaker 1: and the guys just like miserable and so miserable for
Speaker 1: the woman, do you know what I mean? But there's
Speaker 1: nothing you can really do, right like once you've gone
Speaker 1: to the science, you know what I mean. And I
Speaker 1: feel like that's kind of what they wrote. But I
Speaker 1: think also because I have talked to our women writers
Speaker 1: and I've said, like I don't know if I really
Speaker 1: like I might have needed to be even more crazy
Speaker 1: than I.
Speaker 2: Was because of all the hormones and everything.
Speaker 1: Yes, how deep it can go, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: They were like no, no, no, you did great, because I
Speaker 1: also think part of them they didn't want us to
Speaker 1: really go right. Do you know what I'm saying? Into
Speaker 1: a drama, like a hardcore drama of baby making with science.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: You know, that's that's the tone of you know, following
Speaker 3: the tone of the show, which is really important that
Speaker 3: it's you know that there's there's humor in fun and
Speaker 3: there's like a little bit of a sadness here. We're
Speaker 3: a bitsweet and then you know, pop out into the humor.
Speaker 3: So just't dwell in that area, right.
Speaker 1: And I think also dwelling in the IVF area is
Speaker 1: just like it's like a whole other sh Yeah.
Speaker 2: And how do you treat that with some humor because
Speaker 2: it's really.
Speaker 1: It's really hard. No, it's pretty serious and art. Right.
Speaker 1: I think that the idea was that Charlotte's down that
Speaker 1: road and fully fully committed, and you're just like I can't,
Speaker 1: you know, I just can't. That's what I thought it was,
Speaker 1: and that's just so disappointing for her.
Speaker 3: Well it's also hard for me just as a person
Speaker 3: because I've always I always feel myself as I'm very supportive,
Speaker 3: you know. Just but but this would not have been
Speaker 3: that I would not have been playing that side.
Speaker 1: And because then it would have probably worked out, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean. And then yeah, and then we'd
Speaker 2: still be on the show.
Speaker 1: Well then you went on, you left us, you went
Speaker 1: on to do The Housewives.
Speaker 2: Yes, I entered another world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, see there a long time I was, well, here's
Speaker 3: the story on that. I was brought in the first
Speaker 3: season to be the kind of the every season there's
Speaker 3: the one, you know, person that the killer, the murder
Speaker 3: or whatever, you know. Yeah, and so they brought me
Speaker 3: in and Mark Cherry, the creator, was saying, you know,
Speaker 3: here's the kind of here's the arc, and you know
Speaker 3: you're going to end up, you know, obviously being being
Speaker 3: the killer at.
Speaker 1: The end, rightway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was like okay, and I got in
Speaker 3: and I started working where we were a couple episodes in,
Speaker 3: who are three episodes four?
Speaker 2: It?
Speaker 3: So you know, you can tell pretty early on how
Speaker 3: it's going, you know, whether you feel great, comfortable and
Speaker 3: this is wonderful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or it's kind of like.
Speaker 3: I really I don't want to get out of here,
Speaker 3: you know, it's not worth And I was like, I
Speaker 3: went to Mark, I said early on and I said,
Speaker 3: hey man, I'm just I'm having such a great time here.
Speaker 3: I love working with Marsha, I love everything. I love
Speaker 3: the fact that it's ten minutes from my house.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I didn't say that, but it was like super convenient.
Speaker 3: That was just like, you know, any chance that maybe
Speaker 3: talk to the writers are considered maybe keeping me around
Speaker 3: for a little bit longer. I didn't specify, just asked,
Speaker 3: you know, I said, what's the harm, right, And he
Speaker 3: sort of looked at me and he said, let me,
Speaker 3: let me, let me uh, let me go talk to
Speaker 3: everybody and see what they think. And he came back
Speaker 3: not long and said, we've got an idea. And they
Speaker 3: brought in Dixie Carter. She was my mom, another another
Speaker 3: one of those, and she was actually the mastermind and
Speaker 3: so she became the villain. Smart yeah, And I was like,
Speaker 3: that's so clever because it added another layer, unexpected layer,
Speaker 3: so then I could be potentially I was going to
Speaker 3: be the color but then it sort of fell to her,
Speaker 3: so it actually worked out.
Speaker 2: Interesting and and that was this.
Speaker 3: I started was on the second season or third season,
Speaker 3: second I think a second season, and then and then
Speaker 3: we went.
Speaker 2: I went for another like six years. I know.
Speaker 1: When I looked at the dates, I was like, ha ha.
Speaker 2: How well they ultimately ran out of stuff. It was
Speaker 2: one of those things.
Speaker 3: You know, the storylines revolve around around the women, of course,
Speaker 3: and so that was the most important, and we and
Speaker 3: the men would sort of feed into the stories, right.
Speaker 2: But they couldn't. At a certain point time. They were
Speaker 2: like Jesus, what are we going to do with this guy?
Speaker 2: You know, he's like stealing things and he's running around
Speaker 2: doing you know, they have you do crazy things.
Speaker 3: It's one of the scary things about it is one
Speaker 3: of the scary things about television about getting a script
Speaker 3: week to week.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you have this experiences, well, but.
Speaker 1: On Meloe's Place, I totally had this experience.
Speaker 3: Okay, next script, it arrives and you see it on
Speaker 3: your desk and you look at it and you're like,
Speaker 3: oh boy, okay, and you open that first page and
Speaker 3: as you kind of look at it, like this because
Speaker 3: you don't know what they're going to ask you to
Speaker 3: do totally.
Speaker 2: Are you going to be naked or are you going
Speaker 2: to be clothes? Are you going to kill someone You're
Speaker 2: going to kill you emotional breakdown totally page seventeens or
Speaker 2: you know what are they going to have you do?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: And I was always a lot of trepidation.
Speaker 1: You know, I get it, Melros. That's how it was
Speaker 1: for me big time, because Darren brought me in and
Speaker 1: then Darren left, And once Darren left, he thought that
Speaker 1: my character was a little bit funny. But then he
Speaker 1: left and they were like, we're just going to make
Speaker 1: her really mean and the villain and then crazy, and
Speaker 1: then I mean I was just like, oh my Jesus God.
Speaker 1: And then they were like, now you're going to die.
Speaker 1: And I was like okay.
Speaker 2: I mean I was.
Speaker 1: Upset because I was young, but I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I see, I see that. Because you don't know what
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a it's a it's a double edged sword.
Speaker 2: You have a job. We're so grateful we're working. I
Speaker 2: mean it's fantastic. Yeah, time we have no control and
Speaker 2: you have to try to make it work, and you have.
Speaker 1: To make sometimes it just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: You're just like a cardboard baby.
Speaker 1: Totally. That's funny that you felt that, because I didn't
Speaker 1: know that you felt that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just trying to wrestle with it.
Speaker 3: Ultimately the choice that you said, which is he's trying
Speaker 3: to make fun of something, but I said, see that,
Speaker 3: I was just I was rankling at the cluelessness.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: But at the same time I recognized, Hey, they need
Speaker 3: the end to somehow. Why not we'll go out with
Speaker 3: a with this because it's so it's so unfeeling.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things where I have like crystal
Speaker 1: crystal clear memory, Like I remember reading you, meeting you
Speaker 1: at the read through. Do you remember meeting me at
Speaker 1: the read through?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: But I remember rescuing rescuing you that first scene in
Speaker 3: the taxi cab, Yes, that scene the street.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so good.
Speaker 1: It's so good. It really holds up. It's so exciting.
Speaker 3: Ye like that it was shot and everything about it.
Speaker 1: It looked so much like a film, and I think
Speaker 1: it was Alison Andrews directed. Can anyone check wow? If right?
Speaker 2: That's good?
Speaker 1: I know. But also, do you remember Charles McDougall who
Speaker 1: directed the Tiffany's and he's so brilliant. And one of
Speaker 1: the things that I'd love to look at when I
Speaker 1: look back at the show is the kind of evolution
Speaker 1: of the visuals because we really started out quite simply,
Speaker 1: you know, because remember we used to have people talking
Speaker 1: to camera, break the fourth wall. It was very kind
Speaker 1: of like a reportage, you know, like on the streets,
Speaker 1: you know, very unassuming in terms of like the shots,
Speaker 1: you know, just straightforward. And then it gets better and
Speaker 1: better and better. We start getting the sopranos directors coming
Speaker 1: in and her dollying through the rooms, you know, then
Speaker 1: we get Alison Is. It was Alison Alison Anders.
Speaker 2: Do you remember her.
Speaker 1: Be like, baby, good job, let's just do it again.
Speaker 1: She's like so warm, like commable and comfortable. But also
Speaker 1: she was like very indie film maker, so she had
Speaker 1: a bit of a edge in her the way she
Speaker 1: filmed things, which is what I liked about because I'm
Speaker 1: with that husband of my friend, because I've gone to
Speaker 1: the married people. I've basically said in that episode, which
Speaker 1: we could talk about when we get to it, but
Speaker 1: I've said to the girls at the table, like without apology,
Speaker 1: I've been like, I'm not going to be seeing you
Speaker 1: guys as much because I have to go hang out
Speaker 1: with my married friends, which is so rude. I'm like,
Speaker 1: Charlotte gosh. And they're like, oh okay, They're like, wait,
Speaker 1: how does that help you find a husband? And I say,
Speaker 1: because they know people. The husband's know nice guys, and
Speaker 1: you have to meet the husband's friends. So then I
Speaker 1: go to the friend of my husband who you've you've
Speaker 1: never seen these people before, right, like now with social
Speaker 1: media the way they dissected and just like that. Sometimes
Speaker 1: when I'm looking at Sex and the City, I'm like,
Speaker 1: see they would complain about that.
Speaker 2: People know everything.
Speaker 3: My god, Yeah, it's tween peaks And I'm like, I
Speaker 3: don't even remember doing that, you know exactly, And I'm like,
Speaker 3: what I know.
Speaker 1: But I mean like it's it's kind of impossible in
Speaker 1: a way to withstand. Yeah, you know anyway, like when
Speaker 1: I look back at like also, Miranda has a cat
Speaker 1: and previously she never had a cat, and then Steve
Speaker 1: gets a dog, and then Miranda has a cat and
Speaker 1: Steve has a dog, and they they there's no mention.
Speaker 1: It's really odd. Do you mean that the cat is
Speaker 1: going to be important because she's going to have the
Speaker 1: I'm going to die learned and the Cat's going to
Speaker 1: eat my face storyline. So I can see that they're
Speaker 1: prepping the next storyline. But like nowadays, if you did that,
Speaker 1: the internet would be up in arms. Like Miranda never
Speaker 1: had a cat. Where did that cat coming from? It
Speaker 1: makes sense, But back then, we just did it every week.
Speaker 1: We just did our stuff. You didn't worry about it.
Speaker 2: Now. That was the beauty of it.
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, going back to speak about
Speaker 3: the directors, and each one was different and brings a
Speaker 3: different sensibility and different energy on set and a different
Speaker 3: really a different style, which was and the show was
Speaker 3: strong enough to handle all these different interpretations. They completely interpretations,
Speaker 3: but the kind of you know, yeah, the way the
Speaker 3: way the camera was used, and it's such a fun thing.
Speaker 3: I remember on twenty Peaks the same thing that they
Speaker 3: would bring into guest directors and they always had a
Speaker 3: different kind of a different take on things, a different rhythm,
Speaker 3: different energy, and it was always interesting. I remember Uliadel
Speaker 3: came in and directed the Amazing at that time, and
Speaker 3: I initially was sort of rankling at him, and then
Speaker 3: I sort of settled in and relaxed, and he said,
Speaker 3: don't know, he's actually because there's always that moment that
Speaker 3: first day we're like, you know, to trust.
Speaker 1: Not sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, am I going to let you sort of in here?
Speaker 3: Or am I going to like do my own thing?
Speaker 1: And also think as actors, you have to have the
Speaker 1: ability to do that.
Speaker 2: You have to express yourself and tell what you need
Speaker 2: and what's feeling. And this is important to you, you.
Speaker 1: Know, right, And cut to when we do the Tiffany's
Speaker 1: when so we go, I had forgotten about the whole dinner,
Speaker 1: you know. I go to have tea with you and Bunny,
Speaker 1: and Franny is just so unbelievably great, just so great,
Speaker 1: and she keeps putting her hand on you and trying
Speaker 1: to basically tell you that you don't know what you're
Speaker 1: doing or whatever, and you need to do what she's saying.
Speaker 1: And then you go, alrighty, and I see I clocked
Speaker 1: this whole thing. So then we go out to dinner
Speaker 1: and I've been telling the girls like, oh, he's gonna propose.
Speaker 1: I can tell I can feel it. This is the one,
Speaker 1: this is it. And I do believe that Charlotte one
Speaker 1: hundred percent means that, like, it's not just her wanting
Speaker 1: to get married, like you are it, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, there's no there's no like I'm making
Speaker 1: this happen. That it really happened for her, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And I feel like that's that moment
Speaker 1: when you pick me up off the street, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's why they did it so beautifully.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we're there with Franny right and I'm like, hmm,
Speaker 1: she gets him to do what she wants. That's so interesting.
Speaker 1: And then we're dinner whatever I can't remember closure some
Speaker 1: restaurant and you don't like your salad, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I put my I try it. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to try it. And I put my hand on
Speaker 1: you and I say, you know, maybe you should try
Speaker 1: you know, the tomato and mozzarella or whatever, and you're
Speaker 1: like alrighty. And I'm like, oh my god, it wor
Speaker 1: and I think there's some voiceover Mary, and then I
Speaker 1: just barrel right in there and I say I think
Speaker 1: we should get married, and without a doubt, You're just
Speaker 1: like alrighty and you look away and then I'm like oh,
Speaker 1: And then I go to carry and I kind of
Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't love my performance in this scene.
Speaker 1: I remember being stressed about it at the time, and
Speaker 1: I can't remember if it was Alison or if it's McDougall.
Speaker 1: I think it might be Alison. I don't know that
Speaker 1: she is. The Thing with Charlotte that I think was
Speaker 1: hard is that her stakes are so high for everything
Speaker 1: that you don't know how to modulate the scenes sometimes.
Speaker 1: And I know sometimes even with them just like that,
Speaker 1: Like I would read it on the page and I
Speaker 1: would think, like, you know, this is like a regular
Speaker 1: group scene where Charlotte's just asking some questions. And then
Speaker 1: I'd get there and Michael Patrick would be like, yell
Speaker 1: at her, and I'd be like, okay, yeah, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't understand. He said, you are the voice of
Speaker 1: reason in this scene and she's being insane, she's blowing
Speaker 1: up her marriage. You've got to yell at her. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I've got to yell at Miranda. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. But I would and he would be right, right,
Speaker 1: But like sometimes it's hard to know, like because she's
Speaker 1: so committed to all the things that she believes, you know,
Speaker 1: and loves. Right, we don't know which is like one
Speaker 1: hundred percent, which is one hundred and fifty percent, which
Speaker 1: is fifty percent. Right, So that scene with Carrie would
Speaker 1: I go and I'm like all shocked. I'm like playing shock,
Speaker 1: which is also kind of hard for a whole scene, right,
Speaker 1: And I've got my eyes are all like super big,
Speaker 1: and I'm like I proposed to myself, you know, like that, right,
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh baby, you know she's very motherly,
Speaker 1: which is sweet, and like there was no ring and
Speaker 1: he didn't get down on his knees or anything. What
Speaker 1: did I do?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Because I think I've ruined like my one and only
Speaker 1: moment moment, right, which I kind of did because I'm
Speaker 1: so like hell ben on this happening. Then the payoff
Speaker 1: comes the next episode, which is when McDougall directed. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, he would put the
Speaker 1: camera like blocks away we're on for the avenue, yes,
Speaker 1: I remember. We don't even know if we're in, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's real people.
Speaker 2: Are walking by. We're there trying to do a little.
Speaker 1: Scene totally and he's like, just just walk, it'll be fine.
Speaker 1: He's British. I didn't do his accent well, but he's like,
Speaker 1: just just walk it'll be good. And we're like, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: but I need to know my mark. And you were
Speaker 1: cool as a cucumber, having been through you know, been
Speaker 1: in all the films, You've been in everything. Okay, but
Speaker 1: you well you are pretending very well. But it was
Speaker 1: really so great because we walked down and I've got
Speaker 1: the little bow and I've got kind of the Audrey
Speaker 1: Heppern asked Cardo, and we walked down to the corner
Speaker 1: of Tiffany's and somehow you just sense that I'm upset.
Speaker 1: I'm like pouting, and then we get to the window
Speaker 1: and it's so beautifully framed. They go inside and they
Speaker 1: frame us in the window and you say, you know,
Speaker 1: how about we go in there and get you the
Speaker 1: best engagement ring there is. And I'm like, it was
Speaker 1: so good.
Speaker 2: That's what.
Speaker 3: And also I'm just remembering shooting on the York shooting
Speaker 3: in the streets of New York.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really it's special. I've never done that before.
Speaker 2: I've been there for we've.
Speaker 3: Done the Doors and we'd come to New York for that,
Speaker 3: but that was interior and you really weren't really in
Speaker 3: the city, but Sex and the City really really used
Speaker 3: the city and really showed the city.
Speaker 2: So so well.
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree so well, especially in the olden
Speaker 1: days because we were we had not enough time, so
Speaker 1: we would like take the lights and like roll them
Speaker 1: down the street. Do you remember this. It was like
Speaker 1: kind of gorilla ish filmmaking. But then by the time
Speaker 1: Charles came, because Charles would do like we also shot
Speaker 1: in Burgdorf with the china and we had to flip
Speaker 1: the china and he had a crane in Burgdorf and
Speaker 1: we had like thirty six takes of the crane shot
Speaker 1: to flip the china, which was insane, and like at
Speaker 1: a certain point the HBO guy would come and like
Speaker 1: lart us, like, you guys are over budget.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Charles was definitely OCD. It was one of them.
Speaker 3: It's got to be perfect, it's pretty close. But he
Speaker 3: was just so talented.
Speaker 1: I was always like the man say, yeah, it's great, God,
Speaker 1: so did I but.
Speaker 2: So cool, so cool, so so.
Speaker 1: And he always wore suits, very posh, very posh. We
Speaker 1: were lucky to have him. All Right, Kyle, you're too
Speaker 1: much fun. We're going to have to keep talking. Can
Speaker 1: we come back and do Part two Pleasure fantastic. All Right,
Speaker 1: you guys come back later in the week and we're
Speaker 1: going to continue on talking about train and Charlotte moments
Speaker 1: and how we remember them. Yes right, all right, thank
Speaker 1: you Kyle,