1 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ook F Daily with 2 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: me your girl, Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: by now you have seen the headlines with regard to 4 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: the vice presidential debate that took place on October first, 5 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: and hopefully you were able to catch me on Mary 6 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: Trump's Live on Debate night as well as my immediate 7 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: thoughts that went up yesterday with the new abnormal. You know, 8 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: here's the thing, and I got a lot of pushback 9 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: on social media, and I was actually kind of surprised 10 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: by it. Not surprised to get pushedback, because everybody doesn't 11 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 1: always agree with me, and that's totally fine. I think 12 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: that the reality here to me how I saw that 13 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: debate is one I've said this before. Debits are nothing 14 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: more than political theater. Therefore, certain class of folks like 15 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: myself who really are into the nitty gritty of politics, right, 16 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: I do not think that the average voter turns into 17 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: a debate and says to themselves, well, I'm going into 18 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: this undecided. Even though we know that CNN and MSNBC 19 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: and others love to put up these voter panels after 20 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: the fact that say, oh, have you been swayed because 21 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: they say that they're undecided. I believe that that also 22 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 1: is part of the political theater. I think that most 23 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: people tune in because you know, they want to see 24 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: a good head to head, They want to see a matchup. 25 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: But most people go in with like you would go 26 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: into a sporting match, right, like you have your team 27 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: that is in mind, and you you know who you're supporting, 28 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: and you just want to see if they do well. 29 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: So last night, for me, I mean, what I will 30 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: say is that Tim Walls has said before that he 31 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: was not a good debater. Do I think that he 32 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: was not good? Do I think that there were any 33 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: disastrous moments? No, but I do think that he absolutely 34 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: left things unsaid. He treated Advance as if he is 35 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: normal and normalized and sinewashed, helped to sainwash his extremism. 36 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: And what do I mean by that? We all have 37 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: heard the tapes of JD. Vance going on these right wing, misogynistic, 38 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: toxic white male podcasts where he has said the infamous 39 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: lines of about childless cat ladies and postmentalpausal women and 40 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: the need to be ruthless in your pursuit of power 41 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: and banning abortion and IVF and all of these things 42 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: that we know. So when you're going head to head 43 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: with JD. Vance and you're asked questions about reproductive care 44 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: and what your administration is going to do about that, 45 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: like this is an opportunity for you to remind regular 46 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: voters who are not necessarily like watching cable news twenty 47 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: four hours a day or following what is going on 48 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 1: by every moment, that this man is not to be trusted. 49 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: He may speak in complete sentences right and have an 50 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: even tone, but he is the polished up version of 51 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and Project twenty twenty five. What he did 52 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: successfully was give a normalized face to extremist ideology. 53 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 2: JD. 54 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: Vance didn't answer any direct question. So when he's asked 55 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: about abortion, and it's Tim Walls's turn, right, and he 56 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: was asked Tim Walls was asked a fucking stupid question 57 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: with regard to what about babies being aborted at nine months? 58 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: It's just like, on that face, I would have said, 59 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: that question is preposterous. You know that that does not 60 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: ever happen, and that is a Republican talking point that 61 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: we know is a lie, So why is it being 62 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: repeated here tonight? Would have been my response. That being said, 63 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: you lay out what your plans on and just say, 64 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: let me remind the viewers at home the jd Vance 65 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: absolutely did call for an abortion ban. Jd Vance has 66 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: absolutely spoken demeaning ways about women, about childless women, that 67 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: the only value that you can have as a woman 68 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: in this society is to procreate. Right, ask him right 69 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: now what he has said that we have all heard 70 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: on various podcasts. That is the kind of energy. And 71 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: those are the responses that I wanted because I wanted 72 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: to make it very clear that although he is younger 73 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: and more coherent than Donald Trump, that he is actually 74 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: a lot more dangerous. And so when I see articles 75 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: from New York Magazine like he is smart and slick 76 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 1: with regard to jd Vance and the and I know 77 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: that Republicans have won. And why do I say that? 78 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: Because how would you applaud somebody for being smart and 79 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: slick when nothing that came out of their mouth was 80 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: the truth. Anyone can sound smart and slick if in fact, 81 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: you don't fact check, and you don't dig deeper, and 82 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: you don't ask any follow up questions, and you allow 83 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: what they say to just stand and leave it up 84 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: to the American people to be the sleuths, to be 85 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: the detectives, to unpack the things that the media should 86 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: be doing for them. He had the audacity in the 87 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: middle of that debate to say, after he's once again 88 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: smeared legal immigrants that are living in Springfield, Ohio and 89 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: was told that, yeah, they're actually here on temporary protective passes, 90 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: so they are here legally, and that his response was, 91 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: I thought you weren't going to fact check, so you 92 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: just got up here expecting to be able to lie 93 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: because nobody is going to check you. And therein lies 94 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: the strategy of the Republican Party. So when given an 95 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: opportunity to show the American people who JD. Vance is, 96 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: I think that Tim Walls did not do that job. 97 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: By agreeing with JD. Vance, by trying to seem reasonable, right, 98 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: you made it seem as if the Republican Party is reasonable, 99 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: and we know that they are not. They are an extremist, 100 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: white nationalist cult that is weaponized religion and fear in 101 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: order to build and spread their agenda. They have taken 102 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: hold of the Supreme Court, of Federal judgeships, of classrooms 103 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: of governorships, and have in many cases in states like Tennessee, Florida, 104 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: Alabama and others have operationalized Project twenty twenty five. What 105 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: they're trying to do with this election is nationalize it. 106 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: So any opportunity where you are given to showcase to 107 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: the American people just how dangerous this group is, but 108 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: instead you're offering like some nice guy sentiments, I think 109 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: is problematic. And that's what I said, and I stand 110 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: by that. Do I think that it was a disaster. No. 111 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: Do I think that it swung the election, you know, 112 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: one way or the other. Absolutely not. But I think 113 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: that any time that any Democrat, particularly during this heightened 114 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: election season, has an opportunity to be in front of 115 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: a microphone, you need to remind the American people how 116 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: fucking dangerous this Republican Party is and not sit there 117 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: and normalize it as if this is just oh well, 118 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: if we lose, you know, we'll just get them again 119 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: in four years. That is not what's going to happen. 120 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: And so if you were watching last night and you 121 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: knew nothing about Project twenty twenty five, and you knew 122 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: nothing about any of JD Vance's stances, then you think that, ah, 123 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: you know, this is just an election between I mean, like, 124 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: you know, the Romney type of Republicans and like Obama Democrats. 125 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: That's not what the fuck this is. So I think 126 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: that it was a missed opportunity on the part of 127 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: Tim Walls to showcase just how dangerous, deceptive, and disgusting 128 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: the Republican Party is. Coming up next, dear friends, my 129 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: conversation with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks, 130 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: you know that whenever we have the opportunity to speak 131 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, who apparently 132 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,359 Speaker 1: has needed his own doctor because has had an unfortunate 133 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: accident recently with softball. Jonathan, welcome back. What has happened? 134 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: Did you break it your wrist? I broke it. 135 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. I play in a men's league and a night league, 136 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: and I'm out there to burn off some calories so 137 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: i can eat more mcgrib But other people think they're 138 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: in the major leagues. And so I was playing catcher 139 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: and I had the ball. The guy was running in 140 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: and I'm just like, I'm like, I don't care if 141 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: you score, good for you. But he ran into me. 142 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm not trying to knock the ball out 143 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: of my glove. But it turned out he knocked my 144 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 2: bone out of my hand, not out of it, but yeah, 145 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: so I cracked a metacarpal one of the bones in 146 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 2: your hand. As you know, I love sports like more 147 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 2: than anything, and now you're I can't do sports for 148 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: two months. And so I'm open to any listener's suggestions 149 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 2: about like, should I do dual lingo? Should I? 150 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: Yes? Do a lingo is actually a really good addictive 151 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: thing to do. I will say that. Well, I am 152 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: sorry to hear that, and I hope that you have 153 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: a speedy recovery. 154 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 2: It happened so quickly, so anyway, yeah, thank you. 155 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: So here we are talking today at the time of 156 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: this recording, we're thirty four days until the election, and 157 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: I have a overwhelming sense of anxiety and dread that 158 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: is building, that is rebuilding that had been deterred for 159 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, a couple of months, and I 160 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: wanted to get a sense from you how you are feeling, 161 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 1: what you were thinking about with regard to the handful 162 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: of people in a handful of states that are going 163 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: to decide whether or not democracy as a project continues 164 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: as imperfect as it is. 165 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 2: I think in general, for what it's worth. The Harris 166 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 2: campaign has been doing a fantastic job and so I 167 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 2: feel very assured of the competence of the campaign. But 168 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: the variables are just massive right now. So part of 169 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: the anxiety, if that's the right word, is just that 170 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: there are uncontrollable things. I mean, as we're speaking today, 171 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: that dock workers are going on strike, it's going to 172 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 2: be potentially a four point five billion dollar a day 173 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 2: blow to the economy, and all this stuff happening with 174 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 2: the teamsters and where they stand, and are they trying 175 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: to hurt Harris with some of their actions and things 176 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 2: like that, and so you know, of course support the 177 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 2: rights of labor to better wages and conditions and security, 178 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: but just doing this right now to me is just 179 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 2: like such a variable that undercuts the economic message, which 180 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 2: is such a core message for Harris. And so I 181 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 2: hope that that resolved because that's a variable. And then 182 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: it feels like there's a very real chance that that 183 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 2: Iron Israel situation is going to escalate considerably as we 184 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: speak today, and that is another variable that is just 185 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 2: you know, massive, and so all of these things are 186 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 2: there are just so many things that can happen honestly 187 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: in the next two hours, let alone the next thirty days. 188 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 2: And so again, part of the anxiety is like the 189 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 2: things you can't control, and so I just want to 190 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 2: roofy myself and wake up in two months, you know. 191 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: But I know that right now everybody needs to be 192 00:11:58,440 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: focused and present. 193 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: I think that that's the difficulty that I'm having right now, 194 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: is the focus and be present, because I think to 195 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 1: your point, like we've had so many conversations over the 196 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: years where you and I both were giving it to Democrats, right. 197 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: Their messaging sucks, their strategies suck, all of these things, 198 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: and the fact is is that we've gotten everything that 199 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: we've wanted to a large extent fixed with the Vice 200 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: president and Tim Walls's team, right. They are not reactive. 201 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: They are combative. They are thoughtful and strategic and funny, 202 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: and they're using all different modes. She's on podcasts, they're 203 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: on social media, they're doing an HBCU tour, They're doing 204 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: all of the right things. And I think that where 205 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: my anxiety and my frustration lies right now is that 206 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: the concerted effort by both corporate mainstream media, different entities. 207 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: Elon Musk on Twitter, like there are so many powerful 208 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: forces that do not want demandocracy to continue. And I 209 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: think that for me, it's like the people. It isn't 210 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: just about Oh, people need to get out and turn 211 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: out the vote. Yes they do, but the forces that 212 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: are at play it's like nothing I've ever seen. I 213 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: think that both people are energized to do the work, 214 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: and you're seeing that, but there's also the reality that 215 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: the Peter Tiels and the Elon Muss and the Heritage 216 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: Foundation are all on the side of ending democracy. 217 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 2: For me, even more scary than that is the everyday 218 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: logics that kind of support this. I have a couple 219 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 2: of colleagues who come from places like Hungary for example, 220 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: that turned away from democracy, and I always ask them like, 221 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 2: was it just like you woke up one day in 222 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 2: democracy was gone? And they're like, no, actually it's just 223 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 2: chip by chip by chip. People start to think in 224 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 2: a way that is more a therapy than they're daily logic. 225 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 2: And so for me, the scary part, I mean, beyond 226 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 2: like all these huge forces, is like, what's happening in 227 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 2: a place like Italy, for example, where like people slowly, 228 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: Oh of course we imprison protesters. Oh of course we 229 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: don't give birth certificates to kids of gay parents. Like, 230 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 2: just every little thing that's happening in Italy right now 231 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 2: is leading to more power for authoritarians. They're changing the 232 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 2: judicial system, they're changing the way that prime ministers are elected. 233 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: It's very similar to what Nittanyahu has been trying to 234 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 2: do over the past year in Israel, which is changing 235 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 2: the judicial system, cement power for extremists in Russia, which 236 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: is a totally different example, but there's a rise of 237 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: kind of nationalism among youth, and so it's kind of 238 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: like the everyday ness of this that I also find 239 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: like we're a moment now where the US can either 240 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 2: lead to turn back against these bigger trends, which I 241 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: sure hope we do, or we're going to succumb to 242 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 2: all these larger currents, which is people understanding the world 243 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 2: in a way that they haven't understood it in a 244 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 2: way that hasn't been the case since the thirties, right, 245 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: that hasn't really been the case in our lifetimes. 246 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm fucking terrified, and I think that I would 247 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: feel less so if we didn't have the electoral college, 248 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: if it were up to the people, one vote, one voice, 249 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: and it was about majority wins. Whoever gets the most 250 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: votes wins. I would be overconfident right now, probably, and 251 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: I would say, of course she's going to win. They're 252 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: going to win, We're going to win. But given the 253 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: fact that we're just talking about six or seven states 254 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: where Republicans are governors, do you even think that it 255 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: matters right now? Jonathan, Like, one of the things that 256 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: is striking me is the fact that we just had 257 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: Hurricane Helene that devastated Asville, North Carolina. That is a 258 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: mountain city that is elevated well above sea level and 259 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: has now succumbed to the forces of climate change. And 260 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: yet there are people inside of that state that readily 261 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: vote for representation from people who don't believe in climate change. 262 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: And so I keep coming back as we get closer 263 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: to the election to your book Dying of Whiteness, because 264 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: I'm just like, I don't think that there is a 265 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: way to convince white women in the Midwest that the 266 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: Handmaid's Tail doesn't have to be their future, like that 267 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: they can choose to actualize their own power. If I'm 268 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: relying on democracy to survive by convincing racist white people 269 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: and white women with internalized misogyny to choose their own power. 270 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: I think we're fucked. I don't know your thoughts. 271 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 2: I always think about the dying of vice. An example 272 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: of when I interviewed the people who lost kids to 273 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 2: gun suicide and accidental shooting, and I would ask them, 274 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 2: did this change your view about guns? And they would 275 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: always say, no, we're actually more progun than we were before. 276 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 2: Like it becomes people's framework, it's their religion, and so 277 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 2: I think the idea that a horrible climate thing is 278 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 2: going to happen and then they're going to change their 279 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: identity to somebody who then believes in climate change. I 280 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 2: came to understand, like how how that was my expectation 281 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 2: because I already believe in climate change. But people would 282 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: ask me when I was doing the research for the 283 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: gun stuff, if something happened to you, would you start 284 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 2: carrying an AAR fifteen every day? And I'd be like, no, 285 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: there's nothing. There's nothing that would make me carry an 286 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 2: air fifteen every day. And so these issues are so deep. 287 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 2: There's such identity issues for a lot of people that 288 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 2: I think part of the issue. And I'm not trying 289 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 2: to sound like overly simplistic or whatever. But it's almost 290 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 2: like you think about it, like somebody gets cancer or 291 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 2: gets hit by lightning or something like that, they become 292 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 2: more religious. They don't become atheists or something like that. 293 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 2: Like people fall back on their belief systems in moments 294 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: like this, and so I don't know, it's hard to say, 295 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 2: like what does it take to get people to change 296 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 2: their mind at a time like this. So I guess 297 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 2: I'm just saying that my research makes me realize, like 298 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 2: the more desperate people become, the more ideological they become 299 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 2: a lot of times, and so I'm not surprised that 300 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 2: something like a massive catastrophic flood like this doesn't mean 301 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 2: that people are going to change their view. They're probably 302 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 2: going to double down on what their view was before. 303 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 2: But it is just sad because I mean not just sad, 304 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 2: it's horrible and it's catastrophic. I don't know. I guess 305 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 2: I idealize other points in time, But it's just that 306 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: all of our political issues are such deep identity issues, 307 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 2: Like it's just so predictable that the whole country is 308 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 2: deadlocked on their identity issues. And then there's like forty 309 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,719 Speaker 2: five people in the metal who are kind of decide 310 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 2: the entire damn thing. So I know we're all feeling 311 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 2: like beat down, but man, the next month is a 312 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 2: really important month. So everybody, like, you know, drink a 313 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 2: protein drink and keep fighting because it's really there's so 314 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 2: much at stake, and so I just think picking ourselves 315 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 2: up off the floor right now and continuing the fight. 316 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 2: It's really a tug of war right now, and we 317 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 2: got to all show up for it. 318 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: Have you thought about what happens if he wins. 319 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 2: If Trump wins? 320 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? 321 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, I've done a lot of 322 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 2: work and other places where something comparable happens, not nothing 323 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 2: at this scale or something, But I just I've done 324 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 2: so many interviews in Israel where people thought that their 325 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 2: liberal centrist world was going to go on forever. And 326 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 2: the day after Nisan Yahu won, well before October seventh, 327 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 2: a couple months before, people realized their life was changing forever. 328 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 2: So it's that kind of day after where all of 329 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 2: a sudden it hit people how different their life was 330 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 2: about to be in a orse sense. And what I 331 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 2: learned from that Israel research before was that centrists showed 332 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: up and liberals at the rate that they always had, 333 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 2: but the right was really energized and all these hidden 334 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 2: ways because they smelled power and owning the libs and 335 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 2: all this kind of stuff. And so it's just that 336 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 2: feeling of just a chemical feeling that your life is 337 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 2: never going to be the same, that the paradigm and 338 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 2: the framework that has governed the way you see the 339 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 2: world and the way you understand it is never going 340 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 2: to be the same. And I imagine that beyond any 341 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 2: day to day thing, it would just be something like that, 342 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 2: we're living in a totally different paradigm right now. 343 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: But we've been, you know, Like That's the other point too, 344 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 1: is that I just realized, I don't know, I'm feeling 345 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: very existential this morning, But it was this idea that 346 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 1: everything has already shifted. People proselytize about the end end 347 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: of days, But when you're in the end of days, 348 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: would you actually know that you're in the end of days? 349 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: I don't think so. And so I just think to 350 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: the degree at which ideologies and identities have already shifted 351 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: over the last eight years, it's already churning. That's where 352 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: I feel right now, which is there's an opportunity to 353 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 1: stop it, but I don't think even I have recognized 354 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: how many billions of dollars and forces there are to 355 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: push against the will of the people. 356 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 2: Well, listen, I think those are all real things. They 357 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: are certainly real. But we need your voice right now. 358 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm not going anywhere. Why God, I'm 359 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: not leaving, but I'm just like, that's the place that 360 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about, which is, Yeah, we have thirty four 361 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: days and then the election is over, and so thirty 362 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 1: four days from the time that we're recording this, we 363 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: need to do as I'll use a sports analogy as 364 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: we close out, leave it all on the field. 365 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 2: Yep, that's sure. 366 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: As they say, Jonathan, my friend, thank you so much. 367 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: Heal get better and do Dualinka. 368 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 2: It'll be good for you all right, bye everybody. 369 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: As a reminder, friend, I am live every Monday through 370 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: Thursday on my YouTube channel at five pm Eastern, So 371 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: do make sure that you head over to YouTube, type 372 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: in the Daniel Moody channel and subscribe so that you 373 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: never miss an episode and never miss the an opportunity 374 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: to build community over there in our live chat. 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