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Speaker 1: There's a level of expectation from people like Michael Jackson

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Speaker 2: You're a legendary songwriter and producer. Introducing Harvey Mason Junior,

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Speaker 2: five time Grammy nominated songwriter and music producer hit Makeup,

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Speaker 2: behind legends like a week of Frankline, Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson,

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Speaker 2: to the CEO chair. Since twenty twenty one, he has

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Speaker 2: Grammys into a new era.

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Speaker 3: The Weekend made headlines calling out the Grammys. What was

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Speaker 3: that like for you to wake up and read those headlines?

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Speaker 1: Anytime an artist speaks up, I'm listening. We want to

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Speaker 1: make sure our award is a peer to peer award.

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Speaker 1: If we were to open up the fan, then it would.

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Speaker 3: Turn more into a for up and coming artist out there.

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Speaker 3: What do they need to be thinking about?

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Speaker 1: Authenticity and emotion and connecting with an audience is going

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Speaker 2: A lot of people are writing songs with AI.

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Speaker 1: At the Academy, we will accept AI submissions. Artists and

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Speaker 1: producers and writers are using it every day. We can't

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Speaker 3: This is Kate Max with Post Run High. Today's conversation

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Speaker 3: is with Harvey Mason Junior, a Grammy winning producer and songwriter,

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Speaker 3: the current CEO of the Recording Academy, and a former

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Speaker 3: Division I basketball player. Thank you so much for being

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Speaker 3: here and tuning in. Don't forget to follow the show

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Speaker 3: wherever you are listening. We will be right back with

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Speaker 3: our conversation after this short break.

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Speaker 2: Harvey Mason Junior, Welcome to Post Run High.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I have a post run high. I feel good.

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Speaker 2: I'm so I'm happy. Yeah, we just ran a mile?

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Speaker 1: Is that all it was? Was a mile?

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Speaker 2: We ran like one point twenty six, felt.

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Speaker 3: That was good, though it always feels a little bit longer.

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Speaker 3: I feel like when you're talking and running.

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Speaker 1: But you're a good runner, I feel like, I guess

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Speaker 1: you do this a lot, but being able to talk

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Speaker 2: It's pre being pregnant. I was great at it.

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Speaker 3: I would say now I definitely am a little bit

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Speaker 3: breathier on the runs. But you know what, different chapters

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Speaker 1: And it's going to continue to change, I'm sure as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you did such a good job. Guys. Harvey

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Speaker 3: Four you were a basketball PLAYER d one at The

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Speaker 3: university Of, arizona so back in the, day back in the.

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Speaker 1: It we'll, see trying to keep it together as long

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Speaker 2: CAN i get that how to fitness show up in

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Speaker 2: your life.

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Speaker 1: Now it's a major part of my. Life every. Day

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Speaker 1: i'm doing some form of training for, Sure cardio weight,

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Speaker 1: That and THEN i go crazy with just the health,

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Speaker 1: hacking biohacking and also sauna cold. Plunge BUT i would

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Speaker 3: I feel like when you grow up an, athlete especially

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Speaker 3: Thing, YEAH i have two brothers that played lacrosse at.

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Speaker 3: like while athletics were a big part of kind of

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Speaker 1: sure that's how other people approach. It most people are,

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Speaker 1: WHEREAS i was really intent on being, GREAT i looked

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Speaker 2: Sometimes that's WHAT i was going to.

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Speaker 1: Say you have to let go of the ego and

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Speaker 3: With and all those qualities that you just explained are

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Speaker 3: you were nominated to be THE ceo of The Recording

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Speaker 3: both shared a commonality OF acl surgeries and knee. Tears

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Speaker 3: and you've torn YOUR acl three. Times i've torn MY acl.

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Speaker 1: Twice both knees are the same one to me. TWICE

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Speaker 2: Both great double, whemmy get your rebuild that quad on both.

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Speaker 3: Brutal, yeah the way they DO acl surgeries now is

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Speaker 1: And in the hospital for, LIKE i, think maybe nine

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Speaker 3: Organization in twenty, twenty you were elected as the INTERIM

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Speaker 3: It and you've been able to manage both your life

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Speaker 3: Involved you are an, artist so you're seeing it through

437
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Speaker 3: an artist, perspective WHICH i agree is.

438
00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,200
Speaker 1: So, important and you wouldn't want to lose that by

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Speaker 1: just all of a sudden Saying, okay now you're THE,

440
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Speaker 1: Ceo you're not going to do your artistry, anymore because having,

441
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Speaker 1: THAT i think is really it makes a big difference for.

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Speaker 3: US i, know you came in during a hot, time

443
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,160
Speaker 3: and in the past several years a hot.

444
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Speaker 2: Time, guys there's a lot going.

445
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,240
Speaker 3: On there's a lot of change happening in the, industry

446
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,639
Speaker 3: whether it be with the actual Recording academy itself to

447
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 3: then you, KNOW i know you guys in twenty twenty

448
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Speaker 3: seven are switching To disney to be you, know now

449
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 3: the show is going to.

450
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,640
Speaker 2: Be streamed more hot, times more hot.

451
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,760
Speaker 3: Times like it's just it's this really fun PERIOD i

452
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Speaker 3: think to be THE ceo to you, know be at

453
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,439
Speaker 3: the forefront of all these changes. Happening BUT i remember

454
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty and you've talked about this in the.

455
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Speaker 3: Past The weekend made headlines right for calling out The

456
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:43,199
Speaker 3: grammys for. Transparency what was that like for you to

457
00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:44,160
Speaker 3: wake up and read those?

458
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 1: Headlines it was, hard BUT i understood, it and it

459
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,119
Speaker 1: really it didn't make me. Angry it made me realize

460
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,160
Speaker 1: that there were more things that we could do. Again

461
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Speaker 1: AND i don't remember if it was twenty twenty or

462
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Speaker 1: it might have been twenty one or two Because i'd

463
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 1: been in the role for a. Minute but it also

464
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 1: made me realize that our work wasn't. Done we had

465
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 1: to continue to do. More we wanted to continue to

466
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,919
Speaker 1: be better and evolve a lot of things that we.

467
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 1: Did and anytime an artist speaks, up whether it's publicly

468
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 1: or just calls me and text, Me i'm listening with both.

469
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,679
Speaker 1: Ears i'm, like, oh, OKAY i didn't see. That let

470
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,440
Speaker 1: me figure out how we can adjust or how we

471
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 1: can take in what you've given us and use it

472
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 1: to benefit and be, better because, really people like him or,

473
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 1: others those are the people that we want to, Serve

474
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,679
Speaker 1: we want to do right, By so when somebody speaks

475
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,120
Speaker 1: up and gives us, feedback we definitely pay close.

476
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 3: Attention, yeah AND i think those artists are also always

477
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 3: paying close attention to you, guys and you hear it

478
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,719
Speaker 3: in their speech is they always pay respect to the academies.

479
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 2: When they win an.

480
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 3: Award but, like let's talk about some of the things

481
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 3: that when you came in SO ceo as an, artist

482
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 3: with the background that you, have what were some of

483
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 3: the things that you were, LIKE i want.

484
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 2: To change these? Things and how have you guys gone?

485
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 2: About the.

486
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 1: Organization is an incredible, place and it's been around for

487
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 1: sixty eight years and they've done just ridiculous amounts of great.

488
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 1: Work and so WHEN i got in, PLACE i was

489
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 1: already so appreciative and so honored to be a part

490
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 1: of the. Organization, No i've been on the board for

491
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,160
Speaker 1: fifteen or twenty, years but through that TIME i did

492
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,679
Speaker 1: see some things that maybe we could could flip up

493
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 1: a little bit and. IMPROVE i thought a lot of

494
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 1: it started with, membership AND i had a lot of

495
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: alignment with our chair and with our board and tons of.

496
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 1: Support but we knew that the membership was the beginning

497
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: and the genesis of everything that we do at The.

498
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 1: Academy so members obviously vote and members create all the.

499
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 1: Proposals they determined some of the processes around awards and.

500
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 1: Categories so without the right, membership the organization can't be

501
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 1: set up. Properly so a lot of our early work

502
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 1: was around how do we bring in the most relevant

503
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 1: and representative membership that can accurately listen to music and

504
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 1: understand the different genres and then vote at the nominations.

505
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: Right so early work was requalifying our, membership bringing in new,

506
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 1: members looking at the genre diversity of our membership and,

507
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 1: saying do we have enough people that know this? Genre

508
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 1: do know enough people that have this genre? Expertise do

509
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: we have enough? Women do we have enough people of?

510
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: Color these are all things that we were struggling with

511
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: early on at The. Academy and it wasn't for a

512
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: lack of, trying or it wasn't for any insidious. Reason

513
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: it was just over the years the way The academy

514
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: had progressed and. Moved so we took a really close

515
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 1: look at that and made huge strides.

516
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Speaker 2: There would you guys ever bring in fan? Voting is

517
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Speaker 2: that a?

518
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Speaker 1: THING i don't think SO i won't say never because

519
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Speaker 1: we don't know what's going to. Happen but for, us

520
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 1: the fans are obviously a very critical point and a

521
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: critical piece of the music. Ecosystem but we want to

522
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 1: make sure our award is a peer to peer. Award

523
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: in order to be a, member you have to be

524
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: a professional music. Person you have to be working in

525
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: the industry full, time you have to have, credits you

526
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 1: have to prove that this is your profession where you

527
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 1: derive your, income and at that point you have the

528
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 1: ability to. Vote if we were to open up the,

529
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 1: fans then it would turn more into a popularity, contest

530
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: and there's great awards shows that do. That there's other

531
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: shows that are based on charts or journalists pick the

532
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: winners or fans pick the. Winners for us at The Grammy,

533
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: organization we love the fact that this is an award given

534
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: by your. Peers to, me it's the most respectful award

535
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i know WHEN i make. Music of, COURSE i

536
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 1: want fans that like. IT i want it to be

537
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: on the radio on, streamers BUT i also want other

538
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: writers to, say oh my, gosh did you hear What harvey?

539
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 1: Did or do you hear what that team? Did what

540
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: a great, song what a great.

541
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Speaker 3: Record, yeah it makes sense to have experts doing the.

542
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 3: Work when it comes to, voting and those experts are

543
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 3: always taking a pulse on the, fans you, know because,

544
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 3: That i'm sure is a big part of what sways their.

545
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: Votes right, well as long as they are truly experts

546
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: and relevant music, people then part of their job and

547
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 1: their profession is to make sure they understand audiences and

548
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: consumers and what works and what. Doesn't SO i think

549
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 1: that's inherently part of how they, vote because they have

550
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 1: that sensitivity and that touch to the audience and to.

551
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 3: Consumers what are some of the things that you look

552
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 3: forward to most in The grammys every?

553
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,479
Speaker 1: YEAR i look forward to being in the, room to be,

554
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: honest because there's just such an energy and there's so

555
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: many people that come together fifteen or thirteen, thousand whatever

556
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: the number is people in that room that are all music,

557
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: lovers and they're all music. People and so looking to

558
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: my left and seeing, somebody oh my, GOSH i haven't

559
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: seen you in, years OR i love your, music Where

560
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: i've never met you before and what you do inspires,

561
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: me and being able to have that interaction is SOMETHING

562
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: i really. LOVE i also love the fact that there's

563
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: a community of people all celebrating music for a three

564
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: hour period of. Time you, know we all have so

565
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: many things in our, lives different distractions or different, interests

566
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: maybe not. Distractions this is a time where you, sit

567
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: you enjoy music at its highest form with the, excellent

568
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: excellent talent, performances, singers, songwriters and you'll see different artists

569
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: standing up and singing and dancing in the aisles to

570
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: music that you wouldn't. Expect see some of your favorite

571
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: singers who might be in one genre rapping along to

572
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: another type of, music or a rocker, singing you, know

573
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: along with a jazz. Singer to, me that is, exciting

574
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: and that's what makes our music community so special because

575
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: we are people who love the art From we know

576
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: the power of, music and we have a respect and

577
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: a love for each. Other and that night is kind

578
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:19,479
Speaker 1: of the manifestation of all.

579
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Speaker 3: THAT i think what's so amazing about music that you

580
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 3: really see at The, grammys by what you were just,

581
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,719
Speaker 3: explaining is music has a power to bring people together

582
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 3: in such a magical.

583
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Speaker 2: Way and was it last.

584
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 3: Year at the twenty twenty Five grammys That Chapel roan

585
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 3: performed and she Performed Pink Pony Club.

586
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 2: PONY i mean to see everybody stand everybody who's, like,

587
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: yeah oh my, gosh.

588
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 3: Like and that's just such a perfect example of what

589
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 3: you were just, explaining where everybody stood up and you,

590
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 3: know was singing along to that song and it was

591
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 3: such a beautiful thing to, see and not only to see,

592
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 3: that but also to see them supporting a new. Artist

593
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 3: AND i think that's the coolest thing about The grammys

594
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 3: is you guys bring, in you, know the people That

595
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 3: i've been in the industry for a, while but then

596
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 3: you bring in those.

597
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 2: Newcomers, yeah it's.

598
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: A good mix of legends and icons and superstars of

599
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: today and then the next generation that's coming. Up and,

600
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: YEAH i loved that. Moment and there's been a lot

601
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: of moments like that where you're surprised when you see

602
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: somebody that you would never expect singing along to one

603
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: of the songs just standing up and shouting at the

604
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: top of their. Lungs it's a big. Moment there's a

605
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: lot of great things that happen at The, Grammys, so

606
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: but that's one of my. Favorites do you.

607
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 3: Like the fashion at The? Grammys, like do you like

608
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 3: seeing what people roll up?

609
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: IN i, do as long AS i don't wear like

610
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: really big hats because a lot of the times the

611
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: fashion includes these crazy head you, know, ornaments and they're sitting.

612
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: Down you're, like why is that person wearing a? HAT

613
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: i can't see the.

614
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 2: Stage, OKAY i could see. That, yeah, okay, guys if

615
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: you were going to The grammys this, year no huge,

616
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: hats no huge. Ugs great, fashion.

617
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: You, know show your style and your. Shoes that's WHAT i.

618
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: Think, okay, yeah these shoes are, Great.

619
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 3: Harvey for our, Listeners harvey is wearing Pink, nikes And

620
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 3: i'm a big.

621
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: Fan are you what kind of running shoes do you?

622
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 3: Use so right, Now i've been wearing new. BALANCES i

623
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 3: literally been wearing these like clunking. Balances do you like?

624
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: THEM i.

625
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 3: Do they're comfortable with the ten, eighties very. Comfy BUT

626
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 3: i need really, comfy supportive shoes right now for.

627
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: My ren especially now going, forward you're going to be

628
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: carrying a couple extra.

629
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 2: LB's oh, yeah we already.

630
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: Are we already.

631
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 2: Are But i've been a Huge nike girl.

632
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: Forever good me.

633
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: Too WHEN i started the, SHOW i was, like only Wearing. Nikes,

634
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: Really i'm sure they love. THAT i, Mean nike is

635
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: just the coolest brand that's What lebron, wears, Right.

636
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: Lebron wears it. All my favorite we wore At arizona for,

637
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: years and that was definitely the BRAND i grew up.

638
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: Wearing but the sad thing, is you, know everybody wears

639
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: Air force ones, now AND i remember when they first

640
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: came out in nineteen eighty three and my dad bought

641
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: me a. Pair they were ninety nine dollars and they

642
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: were just the best basketball. Shoes they weren't a fashion. Thing.

643
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: NOW i Wear force ones with like clothes and with,

644
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: suits but those were my basketball shoes and they were

645
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: the first shoes to have air in the, soul AND

646
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: i thought that was so.

647
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: Cool that's crazy to me that those were basketball, shoes.

648
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: That's all they. Were, wow basketball. Shoes now they seem

649
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: like really clunky.

650
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 3: To be basketball, shoes, Right AND i feel that the

651
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 3: basketball shoes now have like the higher.

652
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: Ankle, yeah some, do but a lot of basketball shoes

653
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,239
Speaker 1: are going to low tops, now which is amazing to.

654
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: ME i always played at nine, Toops, OKAY i didn't know.

655
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 3: That, Yeah nike has a real swagger to it and

656
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: it has for. Generations, okay both speaking About nike And

657
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 3: lebron and. BASKETBALL i know a part of your career

658
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 3: or twenty years, AGO i guess, right you produced a

659
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 3: documentary For Lebron. JAMES i know most of your career

660
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: has been in the music, industry but what was it

661
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 3: like producing a film For?

662
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: Lebron it was, amazing and getting a chance to be

663
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: Around lebron and his team and get to know him

664
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: a bit was definitely a life memory and experience THAT

665
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: i take with. Me he's a, special special. Guy obviously

666
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: we know his athletic accomplishments and his, longevity but he

667
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: also is just very generous and thoughtful and does so

668
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: many other great things beyond just play. Basketball but the

669
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: fun making it movie definitely a fun, challenge and it

670
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: led me to some other great.

671
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: Opportunities how did that opportunity come to Be it's kind of.

672
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: A long, story but my babysitter of my kids at

673
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: the time had a friend who was a film student and,

674
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: said you, know would you meet with my. FRIEND i

675
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: had just finished a movie Called dreamgirls and we did

676
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: the music for, that and so they KNEW i was

677
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: in the music or the film, industry and SO i

678
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: met with this young man who had been following Around

679
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: lebron with a camera through high school and wanted to

680
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: make a movie about, it and SO i, said, man

681
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: this is. Incredible of, course with my basketball background and

682
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: then some film, EXPERIENCE i, said let's do. It let's

683
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: make a. Movie and we went around to some studios

684
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: and they, said, oh it's kind of a cool. Idea you,

685
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: know this is two thousand and, six So lebron was

686
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: Not lebron. Yet he was in THE, nba but he

687
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: wasn't as famous as he is. Now so everyone wanted

688
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: to buy the, footage but no one wanted to make a.

689
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: Movie so this man's name Was Chris. Bellman he was

690
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: the young. Filmmaker So chris AND i partnered and made

691
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: a movie and then we took it to the film,

692
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: festivals and then at that point everybody wanted. It so

693
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: it was a fun kind of full circle.

694
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 3: Moment did you guys get to collab With lebron during

695
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 3: the making of that?

696
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: Movie we, did And chris Knew lebron in high school

697
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: and they you, know he HAD i think two hundred

698
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: and fifty hours Of lebron footage that he had brought

699
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: to the. Table and then ONCE i got, involved we

700
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: reached back out To lebron and brought him in as

701
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: a partner as well in Spring, hill which was his

702
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: newly upstarted production company that, year was one of our

703
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: partners as.

704
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 3: Well, wow what was it like working With lebron? Directly,

705
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 3: like what did you learn from?

706
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: Him you, know it was very disparate skill sets at

707
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: that point BECAUSE i was focusing on making a. Movie

708
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: he was a, great incredible basketball. Player but as some

709
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: of the same philosophies and themes that we talked about,

710
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: earlier which was he was very. Professional he's very. Dedicated

711
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: he was passionate about everything he. Did he was interested

712
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: in all the. DETAILS i, think much like his basketball

713
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: he knows, everything is very cerebral as an, athlete and

714
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: he approached the film the same way and very. Dedicated

715
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: if we needed, something he asked for, something he was.

716
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: There and that's not always the case with whether they

717
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: are athletes or. Artists you, know there's so many things

718
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: going on and sometimes they can have a lot of.

719
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: Distractions BUT i found him to be incredibly, professional very,

720
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: generous and really dedicated to.

721
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 3: EXCELLENCE i feel like that also dedicated to excellence is

722
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 3: a common threat among so many successful. People AND i

723
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 3: know we talked about this on the, run BUT i

724
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 3: do want to go back into what you learned from

725
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: working With Michael jackson And Whitney. Houston so let's start

726
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 3: With Michael. Jackson what did you guys work on together With?

727
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: MICHAEL i worked on his last. Record it was Called,

728
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: invincible and we worked for about eighteen months and wrote,

729
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: songs produce, songs recorded. VOCALS i was working with another

730
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: producer Named Rodney, jerkins who was really the one that

731
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: was kind of overseeing the, project and just that experience

732
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: was unlike anything else in my. Life first of, all

733
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i Loved Michael. Jackson you wouldn't know, this but my,

734
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: Career i've had a chance to work with all the

735
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: PEOPLE i grew up listening. To and it's kind of

736
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: a weird head trip for me to look back and

737
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: see all the people THAT i got to work. With

738
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: but the idea of working with them initially before it

739
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: happens was always, like oh my, GOD i can't believe

740
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: this is. Real but then when it, happened Somehow i'm

741
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: able to click into a different, mode which is very,

742
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: professional very, creative and, collaborative AND i step out of

743
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: that fan, space And i'm able to really be you,

744
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: Know i'm able to contribute to the process with a,

745
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: peer AND i was able to do that With. MICHAEL

746
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: i was able to do that With. Whitney even still

747
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: Now i'm, Like, wow that was pretty advanced for someone

748
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: at my age to be able to move into that

749
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: kind of a, relationship especially knowing how MUCH i Loved.

750
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: Michael but And i'm not trying to pat myself on

751
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: the back, Here i'm just trying to, say there was

752
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: a moment WHERE i realized the only WAY i was

753
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: going to be successful was to make sure THAT i

754
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: was bringing value to A Michael jackson, record because he's

755
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: one of the best to ever do, it and to

756
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: figure out what that looked like and how the relationship

757
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: could turn into more of a mutually beneficial relationship Where

758
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: i'm bring something the. Table SO i never approached any

759
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: of the work or the artists THAT i collaborated with,

760
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: as oh my, gosh this Is Whitney. Houston look how

761
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: incredible she, is or listen how beautiful she. SINGS i

762
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: always approached it from the perspective, Of, okay that was,

763
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: GREAT i love. That what if we tried This michael

764
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: can we try it this? Way or what about this

765
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: type of a song Or, whitney what if we did

766
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: this in the? Bridge and so there was a real

767
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: effort on my part AND i kind of came a

768
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: little bit naturally to make sure that we were just

769
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: collaborators and there wasn't this hierarchy of super, famous incredible

770
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: artists THAT i looked up to and grew up listening

771
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: to and young guy producing music for.

772
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: Them, well of, course and you.

773
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 3: Are they're here when they call you in to help

774
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: them produce. Music it's like they want you for your.

775
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 3: Expertise but there's still always is that twinge of, like

776
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 3: oh my, god Did Michael jackson's team really just contact

777
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 3: me to do this for? Them you? Know and it's

778
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 3: like even for me WHEN i get the opportunity to

779
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 3: go for a run with somebody like, You i'm, like

780
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 3: damn like Hard Mason juniors down to go for a

781
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 3: run with, Me like that is so?

782
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 2: Cool you know WHAT i?

783
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 3: Mean, Yeah but then of course it's like you approach

784
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 3: it as a peer and you're there to do your,

785
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 3: job but there still is that kind of wow factor

786
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 3: and that moment where you do get to pat yourself

787
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 3: on the back and Say i'm doing a good job. Here, so,

788
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 3: like what was it like getting that initial call to

789
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 3: work With?

790
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: Michael it's exactly as you phrased. It it's a little

791
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: bit of the imposter. Syndrome you're, saying, well DO i

792
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: even know What i'm? Doing AM i good enough to be?

793
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 3: There is?

794
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: This you? Know is this going to? Work is he

795
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: going to see through the fact That i'm so impressed by?

796
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: Him but some, reason and it's inexplicable as to WHY

797
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: i was able to manage through, that BECAUSE i definitely

798
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: felt it AND i sensed it the same way that

799
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: you said you. Do but the more you work with,

800
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: artists and the more you work at your craft and

801
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: try and do the repetition's repetition and the work to get,

802
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: BETTER i think that starts to fade and you can

803
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: come into situations with confidence and with ideas and with

804
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: the ability to, communicate and all those things start to

805
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: break down those. Insecurities AND i was very fortunate to

806
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: be put in some positions athletically and in front of

807
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: huge stadiums and stands full of people and interviewers and press.

808
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: TOO i was able to face some of those doubts

809
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: and concerns and start to build a little bit of

810
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: confidence and a little bit of a skill set as

811
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: to how to deal with and manage some of my

812
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 1: own internal emotions and second guessing and get the job.

813
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 3: Done when you're coming in for somebody Like whitney Or,

814
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 3: michael and they have kind of set sounds right, like

815
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 3: you know what they're used to, Doing they're known for

816
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 3: a certain thing they have that you, know a certain

817
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 3: expectation with how they perform and how they produce. Music

818
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 3: how do you come in as a producer and push

819
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 3: them to do certain things a little bit.

820
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: Differently, well, first it helps if you're a fan and

821
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: you understand what they've done and what their history. Is

822
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: and that's some of the challenge with working with newer

823
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: artists because you don't have that. Backstory you don't have the.

824
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: Context with artists Like michael or A whitney or Even

825
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: mariah that we talked, about you know the music they've,

826
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: made you know who their audience, is you know what

827
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: their tendencies. Are and AS i, said my job is

828
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: not to try and take them out of. That it's

829
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: to try and enhance or amplify all those special things

830
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: that makes them incredible and makes them who they. Are

831
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: so you have to be intelligent ABOUT i don't think

832
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: you can just walk into a situation, like, ah this

833
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: is kind of MUSIC i want to, make so you're

834
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: going to sing. It you have to really really adapt

835
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: and you have to do like when you're making, jingles

836
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: you have to make sure that the client is being

837
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: respected and the sound that you're giving them is the

838
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 1: sound that's going to work for them and their, audience.

839
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: And the sound that you choose does make a huge.

840
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 3: Difference it's like even when we're editing our intros for these,

841
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: videos it's like the sound can transform the.

842
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 2: Visuals, yeah of course that's the power of. Music, yeah

843
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 2: the power of.

844
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: Music what is one thing That Michael jackson said to

845
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 3: you that has always stuck with.

846
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: You he would always, SAY i want to do something

847
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: that's never been done, Before and he, said why would

848
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: we be doing what we already did accomplished things that

849
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 1: have already been. Accomplished that maybe not the most eloquent,

850
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: quote but that sentiment is something that's always stuck with

851
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: me is if everyone else is doing, it then let's

852
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: think of something better to do or something new to,

853
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: do so that was definitely something that rubbed off on,

854
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: me and in the, moment it was. Frustrating and it

855
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: was the same with my basketball, coach to be, honest

856
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: because there's a level of expectation from people like a

857
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: Lout olsen Or Michael, jackson or A Clive davis or

858
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: A Jimmy ivan some of the people that have been my.

859
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: Mentors the level of expectation sometimes is higher than you

860
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: have for. Yourself and in the, moment you're, like we're

861
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: doing such great, Work we're making such amazing, music these

862
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: are hit, records OR i just shot five hundred jump.

863
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 1: SHOTS i, mean there can't be. More and then when

864
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: somebody that is, inspirational like any of those, leaders challenges

865
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: you and raises that bar and you, realize, oh there is,

866
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: more and you can get out of the. Frustration you

867
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: get out of the loop of thinking you've accomplished everything

868
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: and you've done it the right, way and you see

869
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: how much improvement there is yet to be had and

870
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: how much more you can. Do that's, exciting and that's

871
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: something that he definitely brought to me as a, person

872
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 1: as a, human as a, father as someone who runs

873
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: a company or who makes.

874
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 3: Music it's amazing, too because you think about some of

875
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 3: these people like A Michael jackson or even you, know

876
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 3: a more recent example would be Like Taylor, swift and

877
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 3: you think that they got to the top of what

878
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 3: they're doing, right but those people probably still see it

879
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: as there's more for me to there's more for there's

880
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 3: more to be.

881
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: Done, ABSOLUTELY i can promise. You i've not worked With

882
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: taylor on, music But i've worked with her on Our

883
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: grammy shows and other. Events she is obviously who she

884
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: is and where she, is but she's always continually trying

885
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: to do, more trying to do, better trying to reach

886
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: for the next. Level AND i don't profess to know

887
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: or can't predict to know what's in her mind and

888
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 1: what her, processes but from my, PERSPECTIVE i can tell

889
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: you that she's extremely hard. Working and it's a common

890
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: theme between her and some of the other artists THAT

891
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: i have made music. With it doesn't matter what they've.

892
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: Accomplished they're not looking back at all their. Accomplishments they're

893
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: not looking at how much money they've, made or how

894
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: many chart number ones they, have are even how Many

895
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: grammys they. Have they're looking at what is. Next what

896
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: AM i going to do? Next how AM i going

897
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: to change the game or do something that's fresh and

898
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: new and challenging for me as an artist and for my.

899
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: AUDIENCE i feel.

900
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: Like that's the hardest thing about being a ten yared. Artist.

901
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 3: GUYS i don't know If i'm saying it, right but

902
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 3: somebody that's been in the industry for so long is

903
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 3: that constant feeling of having to push yourself to go

904
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 3: harder and do more and you, know make the next

905
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 3: thing bigger than the. Last, LIKE i can't even imagine

906
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 3: the pressure That Taylor swift probably experiences And Michael jackson

907
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 3: and these people experienced on a day to day basis

908
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 3: with like wanting to push. Themselves it's almost easier to

909
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 3: be a new, artist it, Is.

910
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: And a new artist is you, know you're finding your,

911
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 1: Voice you're trying to define who you, are who your audience.

912
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: Is but that, PRESSURE i believe is what makes some

913
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 1: of those artists great and special because that's what inspires

914
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: them to come up with something new and, different to

915
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: iterate on what they've already. Done and it's not dissimilar

916
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: to an athlete Like lebron Or Michael jordan they've done,

917
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: everything they've won, everything they've at the top of the,

918
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 1: mountain but how do they keep going in the gym

919
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: and practicing and getting? Better And michael Or Michael jordan's

920
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: trainer had a quote That i'm going to probably botch

921
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: a little, bit but they, said you should be so

922
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: lucky as to feel pressure because that means you're in

923
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: a position where it. Matters AND i feel the same

924
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: way about creators and artists and. Musicians that is, also

925
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: by the, way we haven't touched on. It that's going

926
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: to be how we address or compete WITH ai is

927
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: because we're going to always be able to push. Ourselves

928
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: we're always going to be challenging. Ourselves we're always going

929
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: to try and find what's. Next AND i believe in

930
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: human creativity in that, Sense we're always going to be

931
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: able to compete because we'll always reach for that next line,

932
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: level that next.

933
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 3: Bar for up and coming artists out, there what do

934
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 3: they need to be thinking.

935
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: About you got to think about who you. Are you

936
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: got to think about who your audience, Is what is your?

937
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: Story what are you trying to? Tell because it has

938
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 1: to be. Authentic there's so many, artists so many people making.

939
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: Music there's so many, people you, know, creating even now

940
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: WITH ai, creating you're going to have to set yourself.

941
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: Apart so what makes you? Special what do you stand?

942
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: For what do you mean when you? Sing is it?

943
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: Real authenticity and emotion and connecting with an audience is

944
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: going to be what sets you. Apart so make sure

945
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: you know who you, are make sure you have a

946
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: true story to. TELL i meet with a lot of

947
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: people think, WELL i don't know what kind of MUSIC

948
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 1: i want to. Make, Okay, well then you're not ready

949
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 1: OR i don't know WHO i am as an, artist

950
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: you're not. Ready you have to have a perspective and

951
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: you have to know your sound and know the audience

952
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: you're trying to.

953
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 3: Reach SO i have a specific artist on my. Mind

954
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 3: that was one of my favorite artists growing. UP i

955
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 3: love her and her music was just, iconic and she's

956
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 3: performed at the Super bowl before she did it well.

957
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: Pregnant so are there is there a certain artist you

958
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 3: would love to see start creating music again that's maybe

959
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 3: taken like a little.

960
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 2: Pause, WELL i.

961
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: Know the artists you're thinking. Of she's definitely one of

962
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: my favorites as, well AND i would love to hear

963
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: new music from, her BUT i don't. Know there's so

964
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: many incredible, Artists and what's interesting about the industry right

965
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: now is there's even more artists than there's ever. Been

966
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: there's more people making, music there's more people using the

967
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: technology that's available to them to create cool. Things so to,

968
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: me it's a really prolific time in. Music some people, say,

969
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: oh it is the industry? Up is it? Down do

970
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: we like where we're? Headed there's so much opportunity and

971
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: there's so much accessibility for people who have creativity or

972
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: an idea or who want to make. Things there's more

973
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: opportunity for them to do that now than there's ever.

974
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: Been and for, me as a, listeners consumer or fan of,

975
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: MUSIC i think that's kind of.

976
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 3: Cool and what you're referring to is USING ai to

977
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: our advantage when it comes to maybe making music and

978
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 3: being within the music industry right, Well i'm.

979
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: Referring to all the technological. Advancements being able to use

980
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: a laptop instead of have to go to a multimillion dollar,

981
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: studio to be able to use a drum machine instead

982
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: of having to hire a. Drummer there's all these different

983
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: things that you can do that now enable more people

984
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: to make. Music, YES ai is one of the newest

985
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: tools AND i think potentially one of the most powerful

986
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: tools that have ever been created around generating. Art but

987
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: it's not dissimilar to other advancements or disruptions we've had

988
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: in our. Industry it is going to give more people

989
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: a chance to make, music it's going to give more

990
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: people a chance to listen to. Music there'll be some,

991
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: challenges there'll be some issues with, it AND i don't

992
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: think we are at a place where we're all comfortable with.

993
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: IT i Know i'm certainly. Not but at the end

994
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: of the, day my hope is that the really, talent,

995
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: amazing prolific creators that we have in our business are

996
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: coming into our business are going to figure out how

997
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: to use it in a way that's new and unique

998
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: and create, amazing, wonderful powerful art that can affect people and. Resonate.

999
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: YEAH i think like we alw whatever the industry may,

1000
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 3: be and specifically with, music like we have to be

1001
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 3: able to adapt to the technologies that are at our

1002
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 3: fingertips because.

1003
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: They're not going. Anywhere so it's either you adapt or

1004
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 2: you get left.

1005
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 3: Behind AND i liked the example that you OR i

1006
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 3: liked something that you just, said and you, KNOW i

1007
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 3: kind of want to bring it back to your, dad

1008
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 3: because your dad was a, drummer, right and there was

1009
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 3: something within his career that was pivotal when the drumming

1010
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 3: machine came, out, Right.

1011
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: So can you tell us that.

1012
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: Story, yeah he was a drummer AND i remember very

1013
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: specifically him bringing a drum machine home and telling me

1014
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: and my Sister heather that he was going to learn

1015
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: how to program this drum machine because he saw it

1016
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: as the future and he didn't want to be. Obsolete

1017
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: and so he became a great drum program where it

1018
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: ended up using a drum machine as one of the

1019
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: first recorded performances of a drum, machine which is, Weird,

1020
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: like you're a, drummer why would you put yourself out

1021
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,919
Speaker 1: of work by programming a drum? Machine with my dad

1022
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: the foresight and the thought of making sure he protected

1023
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: his future to invest in the technology and learn and technology.

1024
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: And, compete and did that help?

1025
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: Him, yeah it definitely helped. Him extended his career and

1026
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: gave him another, element diversified the things that he could,

1027
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: do gave him another chance for people to call him, say,

1028
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: OH i don't really want a live, drummer BUT i

1029
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: want somebody who can program drums, really really. Well AND

1030
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: i think as a, drummer he probably learned how to

1031
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: program drums and drum machines better than somebody who had

1032
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: never played the.

1033
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 3: Instrument and that translates to, now because a lot of

1034
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 3: people are writing songs WITH ai and a lot of

1035
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 3: people are anti.

1036
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 2: It but you've been for, it.

1037
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 3: Right you're, LIKE i don't mind AN ai song being

1038
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: submitted for a nominee if it deserves.

1039
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: One, RIGHT i won't.

1040
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: Say i'm for it or against. IT i realize that

1041
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: as a reality of our. Industry at The, academy we

1042
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 1: will ACCEPT ai. Submissions it won't disqualify. You but we're

1043
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: not going to award AN ai singer for a performance.

1044
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: Category we're not going to award AN ai written song

1045
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: for a songwriting. Category BUT i acknowledge that it's a

1046
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: very powerful. Tool BUT i, also in the same, breath

1047
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: have to say there are so many rules and guide

1048
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: rails that need to be established to protect human creators

1049
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: from a credit, standpoint from a remuneration, standpoint from the,

1050
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,439
Speaker 1: approvals all the different things that need to go into.

1051
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: Place some of that stuff is happening, now Which i'm pleased.

1052
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: About BUT i am going to say THAT ai is

1053
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: absolutely going to be a part of our. Industry we

1054
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: have to figure it. Out artists and producers and writers

1055
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: are using it every. Day we can't pretend like they're.

1056
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: Not and how that's going to end up and where

1057
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: that's going to lead. US i WISH i had the

1058
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: answer to, that BUT i will tell you that creators are.

1059
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: Resilient human creators are supremely talented and resilient are going

1060
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: to find ways to make. Music doesn't matter how MANY

1061
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: ai songs are made or how many artists are. Created

1062
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 1: we as humans and as, humanity we will express ourselves

1063
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: through art and through music like no one else. Can

1064
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: we'll use the, Tools we'll probably figure out how to

1065
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: DEPLOY ai in a way that helps us tell our.

1066
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: Stories BUT i have no fear that human creativity is

1067
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: not going to continue to be the ultimate form of.

1068
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 3: ART i actually just Interviewed Jamie, simonov who's the founder

1069
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 3: Of Ring, dormel and he was sitting right where you.

1070
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: Were last. Week saw him On Shark.

1071
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 3: Tank oh, yeah which time when he was A judger when.

1072
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: He first time didn't get a deal when he got kicked, Talk,

1073
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: yeah come, on give this guy a.

1074
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: Deal it turned into a big. Company their.

1075
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 3: Loss, Well jamie simmonof his perspective ON, ai And i'm

1076
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 3: not going to try To i'm going to butcher. It

1077
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 3: i'm just going to kind of paraphrase along the lines

1078
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 3: of what he, said which the episode comes out On,

1079
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 3: Monday so when you guys are listening to, this you

1080
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 3: can always go listen to The Jamie simmonoff podcasts and

1081
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 3: hear exactly what he. Said but he, said you, KNOW

1082
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 3: i think this the era OF ai is actually going

1083
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 3: to reward the. Gritty so the people that are able

1084
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 3: to work harder and work smarter and just get grittier

1085
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 3: with their work and what they do and figure out

1086
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 3: what to obviously INCORPORATE ai, into you.

1087
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: Know helping them with.

1088
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 3: Work but basically he, said it's gonna it's gonna make

1089
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 3: people have to be.

1090
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: Grittier it, is and.

1091
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: It's gonna have to make people be. Better and he.

1092
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 2: Said that way better THAN i just. Did.

1093
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: Guys, sorry, NO i love, it and but it really makes. Sense, grittier,

1094
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: yes for, sure work, harder, absolutely but it's going to

1095
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: level the playing field for a lot of people that

1096
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: and it's going to bring people up to a certain

1097
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: threshold of output or creativity or ability to make. Things

1098
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: so not only, grit but also talent and. Creativity and continuing,

1099
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: again another common theme here to raise the bar beyond

1100
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 1: where you can get was just using technology in as simplest.

1101
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: Form so those that can utilize their, creativity, utilize you,

1102
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: know some deeper passion or human experience and inject that

1103
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: into the, music that will be the difference.

1104
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 3: Maker so your, Dad Harvey, senior he was a dr

1105
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 3: and a, musician still.

1106
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: Is still is still.

1107
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: Going he's just played a concert tonight In. Tokyo In.

1108
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 2: Tokyo that's so. Cool have you and your dad ever

1109
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 2: collaborated on work?

1110
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: Together, yeah we produced a record together AND i remember

1111
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: the year maybe ninety, six ninety. Seven it was nominated

1112
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: for A grammy, actually and then we just recently did

1113
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: another new record that we produced with some of his incredible,

1114
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: friends all the legend jazz musicians and a few of my.

1115
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: Friends so, yeah that'll come out hopefully next.

1116
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 2: Year that's really. Cool what's it like working with your?

1117
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: Dad it's great And he's somebody That i've always looked up,

1118
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: To i've learned so much. From he is definitely someone

1119
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 1: who represented hard, work, sacrifice and striving for excellence early

1120
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: in my, life and he did it in ANYTHING i.

1121
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: Did he always taught. Me he, SAID i don't care

1122
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: what you. Do you can do any job you. Want

1123
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: you can be a, dentist you can be a, journalist

1124
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: you can be a basketball, player you can be a.

1125
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: Musician but whatever you, choose let's make sure you're doing

1126
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: it to the very best of your, ability that you're

1127
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: utilizing your, talent that you're perfecting what you want to.

1128
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: Do and SO i learned that from, him And i'm

1129
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: so appreciative THAT i grew up in that kind of an.

1130
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 3: Environment and to be able to have somebody like that

1131
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 3: that kind of serves as your north.

1132
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 2: Star, yeah is pretty helpful when you're in this. Industry

1133
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: great north.

1134
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 3: Star what's the best piece of advice your dad gave

1135
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 3: you when you were entering the industry at a young

1136
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 3: age that you think is important for all young creators

1137
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 3: within the music industry to.

1138
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: Hear we talked a lot, about you, know creativity and

1139
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 1: how to be a songwriter and how to tell your

1140
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: stories and obviously the hard work and sacrifice that it would,

1141
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: take and making sure you were working and working at your.

1142
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: Craft let's, see my dad practiced drums all the. Time

1143
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: he had rubber pads he'd play, on he had a

1144
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: drum set he would play on all the, time and

1145
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: he was one of the best in the world at

1146
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: that time and still. Practicing he was lebron in the

1147
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: gym late night shooting jump shots after he's already broken

1148
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: the scoring. Record SO i learned that from my. Dad

1149
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: but the one thing he told me is make sure you're.

1150
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: Prepared make sure That he always had confidence THAT i

1151
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: would be successful and probably work offense aid. Eyhead he,

1152
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: said you're you're going to break. In people are gonna

1153
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: start loving your, songs and make sure you're prepared. Professionally

1154
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: make sure your catalog is, prepared make sure you have enough,

1155
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: songs make sure you have enough hard work and hours

1156
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: put in so that when you have your moment that

1157
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: you can take advantage of it and make the most of.

1158
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 3: It. Well Harvey Mason, junior you are THE ceo of

1159
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 3: The Recording. Academy you were a d one baller at

1160
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 3: The university Of. Arizona you're a legendary songwriter and. Producer

1161
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 3: you've seemingly done it. All what's next.

1162
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: Next is more, service more giving back to the music,

1163
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: community more, hopeful you, know positivity in the. WORLD i

1164
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: want to try and make sure That i'm spending my

1165
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: time on the planet making a. Difference and that sounds

1166
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: probably a little bit corny or, altruistic But i've done

1167
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 1: a lot of cool. Things i'm very. Thankful i'm honored

1168
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: to A i've met with people THAT i met and

1169
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: worked with the people That i've worked, with AND i

1170
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: take a lot of pride now and making sure That

1171
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: i'm trying to make a difference and bring a lot

1172
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: of love and positivity and energy into the world with

1173
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 1: WHAT i. Do AND i find that serving music people

1174
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: in the music community amplifies. That BECAUSE i can write

1175
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: a few, SONGS i can help a few. People but

1176
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: when you extend the reach of The Grammy organization and

1177
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: all the work we do Through Music cares and through

1178
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: our advocacy and our education and the, museum all the

1179
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: different things that we, do that idea or that appetite

1180
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: to serve and do good gets multiplied by all the

1181
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: different musicians and creators and people that we, reach and

1182
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: that gets multiplied by all the people that consume and

1183
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: listen to that, music and that gets multiplied by all

1184
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: the people that see that music on THE tv. Show

1185
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: so for, ME i see next being a time of,

1186
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: uplifting bringing people, together bringing positivity through music and through

1187
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 1: art and. Serving HOWEVER i can.

1188
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 3: And really quickly on the topic of Music cares BECAUSE

1189
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 3: i don't know if it's going to make it into our,

1190
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 3: run AND i do want to touch on it because

1191
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 3: it's a big part Of grammy's, week, Right And Mariah

1192
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 3: carey this year is being honored and recognized.

1193
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: The person of The, Year Mariah Carrey person of The.

1194
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 3: Year And Mariah carey is somebody that you have worked

1195
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 3: closely with as a songwriter and a. Producer so what

1196
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 3: is it like seeing one of your, own you, know

1197
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 3: one of the people that you've collaborated, with be nominated

1198
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 3: for an award like.

1199
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: This it's really, cool but it's also hard BECAUSE i

1200
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: want all the people THAT i collaborate with to be.

1201
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: HONORED i want them all the Win. GRAMMYS i have

1202
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: friends That i've worked with and THAT i continue to

1203
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: work with that, win and that's exciting and we get

1204
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: to celebrate. Together and they always call me, like, oh

1205
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: this is so cool and thank You, harvey as it wasn't,

1206
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: me it was the. Voters but there's also people that

1207
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: call me That i'm friends, with LIKE i didn't get

1208
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: nominated this, year and that's so heartbreaking BECAUSE i know

1209
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: the time and the pain and the effort that goes

1210
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: into making music and making, art and so when somebody

1211
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: That i've worked with isn't honored or isn't, RECOGNIZED i

1212
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: understand how that can be difficult for, them AND i

1213
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 1: share in that. Pain but From, Ryan i'm very. Pleased

1214
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 1: i'm very. Proud i'm happy for. Her she's so deserving

1215
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: AND i really look forward to having a big night for.

1216
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 2: Her when did you guys work.

1217
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: TOGETHER i don't remember the, Year probably eight ten years.

1218
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: Ago it's been a. While she's. Amazing what a. Voice

1219
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: can you think of any other singers that have created

1220
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: the songs that she has or has the voice that she.

1221
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 1: Has there's a few That i've had the opportunity to work,

1222
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: with but she's definitely one of the most special.

1223
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 3: Ones, yeah she's a special, person AND i mean it's

1224
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 3: cool to even Her christmas song that people want to

1225
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 3: hear every single, year come.

1226
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: On, legendary, legendary that Is.

1227
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 3: Christmas, yeah that is that song Is. Christmas that song

1228
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 3: is played it every single. BAR i mean every time

1229
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 3: it would come. ON i remember when we were in.

1230
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 2: COLLEGE i went to school in the. City people would

1231
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 2: just go.

1232
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 3: Crazy another song that unifies people that you would never

1233
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 3: expect to be dancing, too like a pop song like.

1234
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 1: That you, know it just makes me mad BECAUSE i

1235
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: WISH i wrote that. Song, yeah there's a lot of

1236
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: songs like that where you hear it and then you

1237
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: hear it Again you're, like, DANG i should have written that.

1238
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 3: Song what are some songs that you wrote though That you're, like,

1239
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 3: DAMN i wrote that.

1240
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: SONG i would never brag about my songs like. THAT

1241
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: i have been fortunate to create some cool songs and

1242
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: hopefully people like. THEM i really enjoy going to. Concerts

1243
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 1: and this sounds, creepy BUT i went to a concert

1244
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: recently for an artist that we produced a lot of songs,

1245
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: for and they just kept playing our songs AND i was, Like,

1246
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: wow that really takes me back and gives me a

1247
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: really good feeling of the time when we wrote, it

1248
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: AND i remember recording it and to hear it played

1249
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: in front of fifty thousand. People it's one of my favorite.

1250
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: Things and maybe that sounds, egotistical but it really to.

1251
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: Me it means that people love that song and it

1252
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: meant something to, them AND i like that moment of

1253
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: hearing him.

1254
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 2: BACK i, mean it must be such a surreal.

1255
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 3: Feeling AND i feel, like you, know we talked About Taylor,

1256
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 3: swift but one of my favorite things to see in

1257
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 3: the documentaries that she puts out about herself are seeing

1258
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 3: the moments of her and her team in the studio

1259
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 3: recording songs and kind of crafting, them and then to

1260
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 3: have it switched to her performing it in front of.

1261
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: One hundred thousand.

1262
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 3: People, yeah it's just it's amazing how music connects, people

1263
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 3: and you.

1264
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: Think like the music comes out of, nowhere right when

1265
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 1: you go into the. STUDIO i was in the studio last.

1266
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: Night we had. Nothing we had no, music no lyrics nor,

1267
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: melody and then by the time we, left we had a.

1268
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: Song and then to think about that song coming out

1269
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: on the radio or on a, streamer and then people

1270
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: listening to it and, saying oh my, GOSH i love

1271
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: this song and dancing and saying, dude that is a

1272
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: magical experience to be able to do.

1273
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,919
Speaker 3: That is it a magical experience in the studio when

1274
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 3: you guys get the song, down like are you like that's?

1275
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: It? Oh, yeah we're jumping, around we're super, hyped, like

1276
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: oh my, god that's, it or even one, line so

1277
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: we will say a line like, ah it's, crazy and

1278
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: that will lead to another crazy line of that. Too

1279
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: that's a fun, process especially working with other, songwriters and

1280
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: you've seen it in some of those documentaries where you're

1281
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: bouncing ideas off each other and you're getting inspiration from each,

1282
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: other and that iterative. Process somebody will say one thing

1283
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: and be, like, yeah but what if we said that plus,

1284
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: This and then it kind of just gets better and,

1285
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: better and then by the end of the night you've

1286
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: got a, song and i'd say ninety percent of the

1287
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: time you're, like oh my, god that's the best song.

1288
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: Ever and then you wake up the next day and

1289
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: some smaller percentage of time it is a really great.

1290
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: Song and then times you're, like, oh that was fun last.

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00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: Night it sounded great when we, left but now we

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00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: got a lot of work to do to fix.

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00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 3: It, yeah you're, like some adjustments need to be. Made, yeah, Okay,

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00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 3: wait who is hosting The grammys this?

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00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: Year Trevor.

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00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 2: Noah Trevor noah back for year.

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00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 3: Six so two weeks from, now we've Got Trevor noah

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00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 3: back on the sticks as the host of The. Grammys

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00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 3: it may or may not be one of his last year's.

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00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 3: Hostings it will, Be it will, Be, okay it will

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00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 3: Be trevor's last. Year what are you super excited about

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00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 3: seeing what he brings to the table this year as a.

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Speaker 1: Host, Well trevor's so. Special he's really. Unique And i'll tell,

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00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: you at least from my perspective. Why he's first of,

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00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: all so. FUNNY i, mean the guy cracks me, up

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00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: but he does it in a loving. Way he's never

1307
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: making fun or at his humor's not at the expense

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00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: of anyone in the, audience WHICH i like and. Appreciate

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00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: but he's also extremely. Smart he's so well. Spoken he

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00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: reads the heck out of his TELEPRO i don't know

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00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: how he reads and delivers all these lines. Flawlessly but

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00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: WHAT i love most about him is he's a fan of.

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00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: Music and you can, see you can feel that when

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00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: he's hosting the, show he delivers a line you can feel,

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00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: like oh, man he's really looking forward to this next.

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00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: Performance he's not just. Reading and you watch him off

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00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: camera and he's one of the people dancing and singing

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00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: to the, performances and he brings that combination of professionalism

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00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: and excellence and humor and wit to the, stage but

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00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: also that feeling of this is a guy who's really

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00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: happy to be there just like the rest of.

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Speaker 3: Us it's nice WHEN i, MEAN i feel like it

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00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 3: makes a great hoe somebody Like trevor when you're able

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00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 3: to have fun at the event you're hosting at and

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00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 3: not TAKE i mean it's a super serious thing to be.

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Speaker 2: Nominated it doesn't come off like, that but, yeah he does.

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Speaker 3: It and that's, like you, know even when you go

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Speaker 3: into an, interview right for our people listening that are job,

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Speaker 3: hunting it's, LIKE i feel like the people that are

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00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 3: the best for the jobs are the ones that are

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00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 3: able to have their expertise, down nail that, interview and

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00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 3: then be able to have a good time while doing.

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00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 3: It And trevoroa definitely does.

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Speaker 1: That he's so so incredibly he's a.

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Speaker 2: Unicorn, WELL i am so excited to see you two

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Speaker 2: weeks from. NOW i can't wait to see what you

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01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: show up. In do you have your? OUTFIT i.

1338
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: DO i have a couple. Outfits we have twenty three

1339
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: events During grammy, weeks so there are a couple of,

1340
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: tuxedos there's a couple, hoodies there's you, know it's a

1341
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: wide variety of things THAT i go. To But i'm

1342
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: less concerned about my. Outfits is in my wife's. Outfits oh,

1343
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: yeah that's more of a. Concern she's, like, well what

1344
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: do you think about? This and what about? This is

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01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: this appropriate for? That i'm trying to mix the dresses

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01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: to the different.

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01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 2: Appearances so, true the off's are for the.

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Speaker 3: Girls, guys come, on it is although the, boys you

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01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 3: guys show up in some pretty great.

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01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 2: OUTFITS i do have to.

1351
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: Say, yeah there's a lot of amazing outfits That i'm jealous.

1352
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: OF i don't THINK i can pull a lot of those.

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01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 2: OFF i get.

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01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 3: That, Well i'm excited to see what you and your

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01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 3: wife show up. In AND i know we didn't touch

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01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 3: on your wife enough in this, interview but she's also

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01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 3: in the music, industry so that is a whole conversation

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01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 3: for another.

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01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 2: Day, yeah next.

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Speaker 3: Time But, harvey thank you so much for running with

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01:00:59,120 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 3: me and sitting down to check.

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01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: Kay it was super. FUN i can't believe we actually

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01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: did an interview while running it's first ever thank, you thank.

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01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 3: You that's our conversation With Harvey Mason. JR i am

1365
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 3: so grateful for you if you made it this far

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01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 3: in the. Episode thank you so much for tuning. In

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01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 3: From harvey's early days in the studio to competing at

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01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 3: A division one level in basketball to now leading the Recording.

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01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 3: Academy this episode really stuck with. Me it's such a

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01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 3: powerful reminder for us that discipline and creativity do not live.

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01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,439
Speaker 3: Separately they grow. Together SO i just want to say thank.

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Speaker 3: You thank you for pressing play and for coming back

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01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 3: week after, week and for being a part of this

1374
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 3: community that we are. Building we truly believe that we

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01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 3: are just getting started and this show would not exist without.

1376
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 3: You our team does not take a single listen for.

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01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 3: Granted if this episode resonated with, you it would mean so.

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01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 2: Much if you.

1379
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 3: Followed the show here wherever you are, listening share it

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Speaker 3: with a, friend and leave us a. Review your support

1381
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1383
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,200
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Speaker 3: wherever you are, listening AND i cannot wait to see

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