Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast is back in the Chris
Speaker 1: Westling podcast studio.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, we're back. I don't know the rest of
Speaker 2: the building.
Speaker 3: The Chris Westling Podcast studio is still functioning, and that's great,
Speaker 3: and so is the Around the NFL Podcast. Dan hans
Speaker 3: Us here got heroes, Mark Sessler, Great Rosenthal.
Speaker 2: Then yes, she also back. Charlie Shawnnie's the queen Queen.
Speaker 2: She is the Queen of NFL. Meeting soldier Colleen.
Speaker 4: Hey, what is up? I can't believe we did it again.
Speaker 4: We both got here ten fifty one.
Speaker 2: I mean it is again.
Speaker 3: Science This one made me think there might be some
Speaker 3: Truman Show scenario is going around this morning.
Speaker 2: We had a off after the super Bowl and we're
Speaker 2: all back together, and you know it was Greg and
Speaker 2: I actually spent the week together.
Speaker 3: Oh that's nice time. Let's get to that next. But
Speaker 3: I want to hear everything. Like seven am, you know,
Speaker 3: we're sending out text an email, we're ready to get
Speaker 3: back to work, and all through the morning, I'm like,
Speaker 3: all right, I'm gonna get there. Maybe i'll get there
Speaker 3: an hour earlier that, you know, get settled in, and
Speaker 3: then some pops up and it's a half hour still,
Speaker 3: like eight minutes ahead of my typical ten to fifty
Speaker 3: one soldier schedule.
Speaker 2: As I'm stepping out the.
Speaker 3: Door, ups truck pulls up to deliver these big, heavy
Speaker 3: doors we're just putting in a closet in our house,
Speaker 3: and I have to help the man.
Speaker 2: They're so heavy. I helped the man bring in the closets.
Speaker 3: Wipes out the eight minute window ten to fifty one
Speaker 3: soldier and now it's starting to feel like a bigger
Speaker 3: conspiracy cess dog.
Speaker 4: All right, ready, ups truck, go, ups truck. We're just
Speaker 4: directing the whole thing, right.
Speaker 3: But your intention was to come here earlier, and my intention, okay.
Speaker 5: To really said to what end? Would this be? A
Speaker 5: make you so up at ten fifty one? But what
Speaker 5: is the goal?
Speaker 2: That's well, that's what I want to know.
Speaker 6: We don't know, Like you can't look the fates are
Speaker 6: the fates are working your schedule, not you fate.
Speaker 3: I mean, fate would be one thing, okay, but I'm
Speaker 3: I am thinking something bigger.
Speaker 4: Literally always parking as soon as I pull in the
Speaker 4: garage behind him, like it's always orchestrated.
Speaker 3: So it's not just me, So Colleen, it was coming
Speaker 3: from a totally different area of the South Bay. Is
Speaker 3: also the way the traffic patterns work, the stoplights, How
Speaker 3: is this happening.
Speaker 7: Ex exactly raining today? That adds another wrinkle.
Speaker 2: That's wrench but not not in this case.
Speaker 5: So anyway, it's like it's the new eighth wunder of
Speaker 5: the world.
Speaker 7: Really everyone wants to know about it.
Speaker 2: Also, what I want to know about Mark Sessler.
Speaker 3: You you come from a different area of Los Angeles,
Speaker 3: the right to work, and one of your early texts
Speaker 3: this morning was about something that's on your radar here
Speaker 3: in the office, and I could not wait to hear
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 2: Well, uh, you know, it's disturbing to me personally.
Speaker 3: I'd say it's developing a developing situation because huh huh, Well,
Speaker 3: i'd label it under the category of theft. So like
Speaker 3: one of the perks when you go to the Super
Speaker 3: Bowl and do all the work that we did and
Speaker 3: have the great time that we had, you come back
Speaker 3: in on your desk. They have a Super Bowl program
Speaker 3: which you can give to a child or something.
Speaker 7: This has never happened to me.
Speaker 2: Well, this is I don't this this is happening. You
Speaker 2: don't have a desk. Ye and the like does have
Speaker 2: a desk, but he's never said at standard there is
Speaker 2: a desk you could sit at near us.
Speaker 6: So a super Bowl program neatly put on on on
Speaker 6: the desk and on top of it in a in
Speaker 6: a in a plaster in a cardboard box is a
Speaker 6: super Bowl ticket encased in glass.
Speaker 2: It's a wonderful meto, especially in the past.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say about five years they went away the
Speaker 3: league from physical tickets taking it to the game, and
Speaker 3: now it's a digital situation. So this ticket, Like I
Speaker 3: took my buddy Greg from New York to the game,
Speaker 3: and he's a huge sports fan, had always wanted to
Speaker 3: go to the Super Bowl, and he was really bummed.
Speaker 3: And I said, guess what, they do have this ticket
Speaker 3: that they put in glass, and I'm going to give
Speaker 3: it to you.
Speaker 2: I see. So it's a gift. You can give it
Speaker 2: to a child. Again.
Speaker 6: Finds it fascinating anyone that didn't go to the game.
Speaker 6: And so I always look forward to it and I'm
Speaker 6: thankful for it. And my attitude has been, you know,
Speaker 6: pleasant towards the whole.
Speaker 4: Situation, which I thought everyone was just buying these tickets
Speaker 4: and they're also no, they're also they're valuable.
Speaker 2: So like there you know it is.
Speaker 6: So I come in and I, you know, I you know,
Speaker 6: so our desk is like you know, smashed up against
Speaker 6: glass where all these tour groups come in and all
Speaker 6: these people are riff rapping in and out the door
Speaker 6: right behind my desk and everywhere, like Dan's desk super
Speaker 6: Bowl program neatly put out and his little ticket in
Speaker 6: the cardboard box.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 6: I look at Greg's desk and it's like to per
Speaker 6: he got, yeah, it's perfect, and everything's fine.
Speaker 2: I I And then on my.
Speaker 6: Desk, the super Bowl program has just been like ripped
Speaker 6: open to someone's like meeting a magazine.
Speaker 2: No, and the ticket in the box are gone.
Speaker 6: So someone literally went to my desk not only stole
Speaker 6: the thing, but then just sat and read read my
Speaker 6: super Bowl program, probably in my seat, and then said, fu,
Speaker 6: I'm going to take this valuable item and leave.
Speaker 2: Mark. Of course it is a good read.
Speaker 5: Judy Batista often contributes Steve Weiss.
Speaker 6: The program is not my concern. I already have a program.
Speaker 6: So someone someone stole, like someone stole this precious item
Speaker 6: from simply and I walked around in like every desk,
Speaker 6: like Clockwork has this like perfect little program and a
Speaker 6: little you know, trinket.
Speaker 7: Sounds like a case for Frank Signetti.
Speaker 6: I think it does big based, so I don't know,
Speaker 6: it's you know, welcome back to work.
Speaker 2: It's great to be back together.
Speaker 3: As they say, that's wow, that's a major and that
Speaker 3: and I understand Mark, and it's especially it's annoying because
Speaker 3: Old Greggy and the Zoustag both have our programs and
Speaker 3: tickets and and yet it's almost like you were targeted.
Speaker 6: Well it was also, and I'm not going to dig
Speaker 6: into this, there was a seating situation at the super
Speaker 6: Bowl where you know, Dane and Greg's guests got put
Speaker 6: up like an at lastment and I had to keep
Speaker 6: keep a little this but my seats were like yeah
Speaker 6: in Nosebleeds Central. So it's like someone is on the
Speaker 6: prowl to disengage me further from the entire miss your take.
Speaker 5: You can have my ticket so that that takes care
Speaker 5: of that.
Speaker 6: Well, that's very nice, but I actually think you could
Speaker 6: give it to Walker for instance, who would love it.
Speaker 6: And I would just ask hr, how do I get
Speaker 6: another one of these?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great that's very kind. That is very kind.
Speaker 3: I was also Walker's first Super Bowl. Yeah, it's kind
Speaker 3: of robbing Peter to pay Paul a little bit. I
Speaker 3: can't take that.
Speaker 5: I don't think I've ever brought one of those home.
Speaker 5: I always give them to people.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Your son went to his first Super Bowl.
Speaker 5: I'm not a big things guy. It just feels like
Speaker 5: it weighs you down.
Speaker 6: I think I'm not a big things guy either, and
Speaker 6: it's robbed from me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's more the violation. Yes, nine, I
Speaker 2: feel like he would appreciate.
Speaker 3: Okay, he would, But because we don't need to take
Speaker 3: it from Walking, Mark will get a ticket.
Speaker 2: We're gonna get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just a matter of First of all, Eric,
Speaker 3: can we pull the footage out of the newsroom? And
Speaker 3: sometimes I give Eric Arder tasks and a typical podcast producer,
Speaker 3: do we think, yeah, we need to pull the files.
Speaker 3: We need to find out who is sitting at Mark's desk, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, is a violation.
Speaker 2: In its own right. Well, they should be fired.
Speaker 3: Can we do that, Eric, We get the footage, look
Speaker 3: into hacking security, who's the guy that runs the and
Speaker 3: that guy's busy right now because.
Speaker 2: Listen, beat Dog. This place is sinking right now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we have problems.
Speaker 3: There's there's cracks in the floors, there's ceilings that are
Speaker 3: caving in half, the electrics are shot.
Speaker 2: Stop raining.
Speaker 3: It's almost like they didn't account they built a ten
Speaker 3: million dollar building and then like, oh, but it doesn't
Speaker 3: rain in La.
Speaker 7: They're driveacking outside bay.
Speaker 2: It rains in LA in December and January.
Speaker 6: It's like a building made of like amboles on top
Speaker 6: of a mesa and then oh, weather happened, and it's
Speaker 6: like whole places crumb and the.
Speaker 2: Chris Westling podcast.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's west wherever he is watching over us so
Speaker 3: far is still functioning.
Speaker 2: What's everywhere around us? The place is.
Speaker 4: Of NFL media safe from anyway.
Speaker 2: That's terrible, mark. That would annoy me greatly.
Speaker 6: Right, I was thinking it in reverse. I think you
Speaker 6: would be you would understand it, you'd be annoyed. It
Speaker 6: was like they targeted you, right.
Speaker 4: It could be someone that doesn't have a desk and
Speaker 4: didn't never get a ticket.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but also was like, oh, that's a good person
Speaker 2: to target. What about Roberts?
Speaker 3: You first Super Bowl of Eric Roberts excellent work all week.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: They give it a jacket to all the staff, the
Speaker 3: super Bowl jacket. Roberts needs a jacket. I will put
Speaker 3: a ball on this. I did end getting a jacket.
Speaker 3: It's at my desk somebody.
Speaker 8: But it was like I've heard that it's I didn't
Speaker 8: take out the back because I got in started working obviously,
Speaker 8: and apparently it's a double X. It's a quite large jacket. Hey, hey,
Speaker 8: I'll take it. You know, I appreciate the game. I
Speaker 8: was there for the experienced guys. It was a great week.
Speaker 8: I'm not gonna let a jacket ruin my week.
Speaker 3: So we got to get Kyle Yuschek's wife to modify
Speaker 3: your jacket.
Speaker 8: Yeah's a nice jacket.
Speaker 2: That's all. Been as bitter about it as I was.
Speaker 2: But it was a nice freaking jacket. Yeah, we get
Speaker 2: Robert's a large. Can we just get them a large?
Speaker 2: Can we get market Robert's a large? That's it?
Speaker 3: All right, Welcome back, everybody, Thank you for hanging around.
Speaker 3: I hope in the interim no one listened to another
Speaker 3: NFL podcast and liked it. Not allowed. That's not allowed
Speaker 3: and I and that went without saying. But if you did.
Speaker 3: Shame on you and then you were also you found out,
Speaker 3: oh all their podcasts are bad. Well it worked in
Speaker 3: our favorite somehow we are nominated by the Way iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: We are nominated for.
Speaker 3: Best NFL Podcast. The award show is in Austin next month,
Speaker 3: Best Sports Podcast.
Speaker 2: That's Sports Time.
Speaker 3: Yeah hell yeah, And you know the competition is fierce,
Speaker 3: but also the competition is weak ultimately, and we are
Speaker 3: the greatest. And the award that we went over in
Speaker 3: the old UK speaks to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as does the Stitcher award from thirteen and the Best.
Speaker 3: New Podcasts Seamlessly Linked Together award for twelve.
Speaker 2: So now people need to understand that.
Speaker 3: So you've learned a hard lesson and wasted your time
Speaker 3: on any other NFL podcast Nay Sports podcast last week,
Speaker 3: But we are now back.
Speaker 2: In today's episode.
Speaker 3: In addition to getting caught up on everything that's happened
Speaker 3: since Super Bowl fifty eight, we're going to share, in
Speaker 3: our opinion, the biggest storylines of the twenty twenty four
Speaker 3: off season, in which we are now firmly Connie.
Speaker 2: Oh ye planted.
Speaker 7: There's a lot.
Speaker 4: There's so many Mark has already come up with, like
Speaker 4: seventy four different options.
Speaker 2: Now the season's begun. Football's back. No.
Speaker 3: Mark had concerns about the Russell Wilson's in the news
Speaker 3: for selling his house. Mark asked, nicely, maybe we should
Speaker 3: take it out of the news because that might be
Speaker 3: the biggest storyline of the off season for when we
Speaker 3: get to that side.
Speaker 6: I thought it lived in that world to some degree.
Speaker 6: But I'm sure we will spend exhaustive time during the
Speaker 6: news nugget item going down the road and explaining what
Speaker 6: it means.
Speaker 4: Separately, Mark politely flagged this for you, right, and I'm
Speaker 4: derided for it by these two, and I see you
Speaker 4: get us.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, we don't need this, we get it stuff.
Speaker 3: I said, we'll take it out of the news if
Speaker 3: that is indeed your biggest.
Speaker 6: Off because I already I already did an end around
Speaker 6: and he said it was on your list. I need
Speaker 6: to put it on the list because I knew it
Speaker 6: would be caused mental all of.
Speaker 3: A sudden, we're in this marked vortext because we did.
Speaker 3: I said, we'll take it out. We'll take it out. No,
Speaker 3: it'll be all yours.
Speaker 5: No, No, definitely the least necessary news item to be fair.
Speaker 2: I think we don't change the show during the show.
Speaker 2: Now it's good. Now it's we're into let's do some news.
Speaker 2: So is that a wolf we talked about high el dark?
Speaker 3: I think it runs the whole gamut. I mean, if
Speaker 3: you get into I'm not you know, I'm sort of
Speaker 3: an f fringe elf individual. Like the fact that I
Speaker 3: thinks some people thought it doesn't represent a tough, you know,
Speaker 3: football player.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of things happening with elves.
Speaker 3: That could cause a problem for the Ravens or Steelers,
Speaker 3: I think, depending on some of their powers.
Speaker 2: So you will leave it out.
Speaker 3: We'll leave that right there at that.
Speaker 2: In case you missed it from Radio Row.
Speaker 3: That's Mark Sessler and they sit down with Denzel Ward
Speaker 3: and Miles Garrett of the Browns. I I, you can
Speaker 3: only tee these players up, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: And I thought you did a brilliant job there giving
Speaker 3: them a chance of platform to dig in on the
Speaker 3: elves and if they don't want to take it and
Speaker 3: run with it, they don't have to.
Speaker 2: Well, so two things were happening real quick.
Speaker 6: I realized I've already talked a lot on the show
Speaker 6: about personal items, but no go ahead, well, well no
Speaker 6: one that was That was the day that we drove
Speaker 6: into like Las Vegas, the right right to this and
Speaker 6: it was this was like eighteen minutes into the show
Speaker 6: where it's like and I had come in like with
Speaker 6: my health at like a one out of ten, and
Speaker 6: I talked about on this thing. I had no voice
Speaker 6: and I just felt medicated, and like at one point
Speaker 6: I'm looking over and like Miles Garrett was where dan Us,
Speaker 6: He's just looking at me like has got issues. This
Speaker 6: is also like a top ten brown of all that.
Speaker 5: It looks very amused, got the look on his face
Speaker 5: like I'm not gonna have to say much here.
Speaker 2: This guy is doing great.
Speaker 6: It got for me, It got better because I had
Speaker 6: two listed questions because this has happened to have been
Speaker 6: derailed before, is like serious questions or fun questions.
Speaker 2: And I was like I'm gonna I'm not going to
Speaker 2: go down the wrong road.
Speaker 6: And then like you're supposed to ask the sponsor question first,
Speaker 6: and I'm like eight questions in and realized I hadn't
Speaker 6: asked the sponsor question, and I asked in a weird way.
Speaker 6: And the note we got from you know, upper management,
Speaker 6: the next day was like you don't go off script
Speaker 6: on the on the sponsor, and then you were saddled
Speaker 6: with overly.
Speaker 2: The rest of the week.
Speaker 5: I'm very distracted right now because uh Lincoln Wrestling and Lakeisha.
Speaker 2: Podcast.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Link is waving and it's melting my heart and.
Speaker 2: The whole show is derailed. Wow, I forgot that Lakeisha's
Speaker 2: in town. Wow, we an incredible.
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not overly confide then, Like I feeling
Speaker 3: good that Link is in this building right now, I
Speaker 3: feel like we would be the most dangerous building in
Speaker 3: Los Angeles based on the.
Speaker 4: He's going to come inside the arc here, We're going
Speaker 4: to get him inside the arc.
Speaker 2: We saw that.
Speaker 5: I saw them yesterday for a little bowling in dinner.
Speaker 5: It would have been Chris Wesleyan's fiftieth birthday, Oh day.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 5: Mine as well, and Roger Goodell's the treat the pillars
Speaker 5: like the Rams have Aaron Donald and Stafford. The weight
Speaker 5: bearing walls unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Well did you turn.
Speaker 5: I'm forty five, so I'm five five years younger. What's
Speaker 5: going big one? But uh, I think Chris would Chris
Speaker 5: would have been proud with no prep, no telling him
Speaker 5: what to do. Link just took that bowling ball and
Speaker 5: threw the thing down there for a three year old,
Speaker 5: like like an athlete.
Speaker 2: Surprise.
Speaker 3: It's in the westling DNA, I mean their ability to
Speaker 3: play parlor games and bowling and yeah, and things of
Speaker 3: that nature. In fact, that was I was last weekend
Speaker 3: or this past weekend. I was up in Big Bear
Speaker 3: where I go every year with my buddy Bob and
Speaker 3: his family and our family have a nice time together.
Speaker 3: And we happened to be staying at a house that
Speaker 3: we had rented that was directly behind the Motor Inn
Speaker 3: motel where in twenty fifteen, I think we figured out
Speaker 3: Mark West and myself did a weekend in Big Bear
Speaker 3: that was debauchrous on multiple levels. It was a all
Speaker 3: time Chris night out performance by Chris.
Speaker 7: The twinkle in Sessler's eyes right now, No.
Speaker 2: Because it was. It was like it had many layers.
Speaker 2: It was. It would be hard to tell our story about.
Speaker 3: All I can tell you is the night ends with
Speaker 3: us putting West to bed in one of the twin beds,
Speaker 3: and Mark and I going into this little kitchen and
Speaker 3: eating bad pizza and listening to counting crows. But We
Speaker 3: had an amazing like, as I walked, I have to cut.
Speaker 3: We cut through the house, through this parking lot and
Speaker 3: there it is. It's room number one, this motor lodge
Speaker 3: with the chairs. And then I got this flashback of
Speaker 3: because Wes and I were very dorky about softball, so
Speaker 3: we brought our gloves and I remember the parking lot
Speaker 3: where we were having catch and I believe you were
Speaker 3: sitting in the chair and we were just talking. And
Speaker 3: then there was a brewery across the street where we
Speaker 3: went to Bear Mountain Brewery. A lot of memories and
Speaker 3: I didn't even connect that it was on his birthday
Speaker 3: that this was going on.
Speaker 2: So a fiftieth that is a crazy, crazy thing. All right,
Speaker 2: get on track. He's like this a football page. We'll
Speaker 2: get there. We'll get there.
Speaker 7: The off season was like kind of bigun.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like we haven't seen each other for a week.
Speaker 5: We have a lot of catching up to do. We
Speaker 5: just couldn't.
Speaker 2: They don't. They don't really talk football. I would like
Speaker 2: to I like a real deep dive. Shut up this
Speaker 2: this feels quiet, little nerd. I love the listeners, right,
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 5: Don't think anyone's thinking that taking your head.
Speaker 2: Silence, silence, four eyes nerds. All right, let's get into it. Connie.
Speaker 3: When we were in Vegas, yes, when we talked about
Speaker 3: the kind of subplots that are under.
Speaker 2: The radar, that you know that like real football heads.
Speaker 3: At which we are, we can be that and also
Speaker 3: have personalities and be human beings. What was your subplot
Speaker 3: going into fifty eight?
Speaker 7: Was it? Did I have to do with Steve will Steve.
Speaker 2: Will, I don't really remember what it was.
Speaker 5: What it was that it could be a launching pad
Speaker 5: to greater it was.
Speaker 2: It was a launching pad, all.
Speaker 4: Right if he was able to get the defense together
Speaker 4: and have a good performance and beat the Chiefs and
Speaker 4: turn things around for himself, because the narrative all year
Speaker 4: along was that he wasn't a fan and there was
Speaker 4: the wrong plait and everything was name go.
Speaker 3: Steve Wilkes was relieved of his duties three days after
Speaker 3: the forty nine Ers fell short in the Super Bowl
Speaker 3: against the Chiefs, a game where I didn't think their
Speaker 3: defense played overly poorly, but there were more elements at
Speaker 3: play behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: Very clearly.
Speaker 3: We talked about it on the show going into the
Speaker 3: Super Bowl that maybe something wasn't quite right.
Speaker 2: Here is Shanahan at his press conference this morning.
Speaker 9: I relieved Steve Wilkes of his duties. Gonna end up
Speaker 9: making a change here defensive coordinator, and really tough decision
Speaker 9: because really says nothing about Steve as a man or
Speaker 9: as a football coach. I mean, he's exactly what we
Speaker 9: wanted as a man. He is a great football coach,
Speaker 9: but just where we're going, where we're at with our
Speaker 9: team from a scheme standpoint and things like that. Looking
Speaker 9: through it all throughout the year, through these last few days,
Speaker 9: I felt pretty strongly that this was a decision that
Speaker 9: was best for organization.
Speaker 5: I'm not as surprised because Steve Wilkes came from outside,
Speaker 5: like the Shanahan Tree, didn't have experience with him before.
Speaker 5: Albert Breer wrote this thing that and it sounded like
Speaker 5: something he had heard from inside the building, that the
Speaker 5: management of the overtime period where you know, it was
Speaker 5: kind of like the last straw, but that he might
Speaker 5: have been on shaky ground even going into the overtime
Speaker 5: where you know, there's a third and six and they
Speaker 5: rushed seven, but the defensive backs are all back. If
Speaker 5: you remember that play was a pretty easy conversion. And
Speaker 5: then Shanahan actually took a time out later in that
Speaker 5: overtime because he saw what that a similar setup was
Speaker 5: going to happen on another third down, I believe, and
Speaker 5: didn't like it and made him change the call. And
Speaker 5: people are getting on Shanahan for making Steve Wilkes.
Speaker 2: A bit of a scapegoat.
Speaker 5: It felt like an awkward fit all year and they
Speaker 5: did underachieve, So I think that's just the way it
Speaker 5: goes sometimes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's the old Like, you know, we
Speaker 6: saw a lot of mid season coordinator firings on good
Speaker 6: teams this year and like, but Shanahan had him come
Speaker 6: down from the booth after they were whacked couple of
Speaker 6: weeks in a row in the middle of the season,
Speaker 6: and I let his words, like shanaan Elie is going
Speaker 6: to be honest about stuff. He just said it was
Speaker 6: harder than it needed to be. And it's like, you're
Speaker 6: you're exactly right. Like it's almost Bellachecki in where like
Speaker 6: so much of their coordinator action they've lost a lot
Speaker 6: of coaches along the way, or just they're grooming in
Speaker 6: house and it just wasn't a fit and Wilkes has
Speaker 6: been successful in other places. He'll work again. It's not
Speaker 6: that's not the question. But I think if you're it's
Speaker 6: not just a scapegoat. Like their defense really let them
Speaker 6: down later in the year. Their overall at that season.
Speaker 5: They lost the Super Bowl because of the offense.
Speaker 2: They won.
Speaker 5: They played defense more than well, and like if the
Speaker 5: offense played to seventy five percent of their average game
Speaker 5: in the Super Bowl, they win it. I pointed out
Speaker 5: in that postgame pod, the first nine drives the Chiefs
Speaker 5: had thirteen points. That's an entire game, So that the
Speaker 5: forty nine Ers offense kind of lost that Super Bowl.
Speaker 5: If if we're doing blame here and Steve Wawks would
Speaker 5: not have been fired if the defense had a great
Speaker 5: performance in the Super Bowl, which it did until the
Speaker 5: offense kind of let the Chiefs back in it. So
Speaker 5: that's his bad luck. But that's also football. It's a
Speaker 5: lot about luck.
Speaker 7: But also the players didn't totally buy in.
Speaker 4: It felt like like the star players, like the guys
Speaker 4: like Fred Warner and Nick Bosa. Even after the game,
Speaker 4: Nick Bosa said that the defense was not prepared well
Speaker 4: enough to defend Mahomes and the Niners do run their
Speaker 4: defense like a very specific way when Robert Sala came
Speaker 4: in and did it for the three years, and then
Speaker 4: Demico Ryans was promoted from within to run it that way,
Speaker 4: and Steve Wilkes his whole background is mostly with DB's
Speaker 4: and so that's where a lot of his energy and
Speaker 4: focus went to. And that's not really how they are run.
Speaker 4: They run more of like that Seattle cover three. So
Speaker 4: then I was thinking, well, what if like Pete Carroll
Speaker 4: ends up going there in some capacity.
Speaker 2: I had that thought too, And it's kind of like
Speaker 2: a peak.
Speaker 3: You think he's gonna take a step down and go
Speaker 3: back to be in a DC. It's seventy two years old.
Speaker 5: People are also like his first call to be to
Speaker 5: Bill Belichick. I'm like, I mean, that's interesting, why not call?
Speaker 2: We talked about it, like with this podcast. No reverse
Speaker 2: gears in this deck?
Speaker 3: Can Belichick or Carol would they ever go and not
Speaker 3: be the leader of their own staff? That seems unlikely,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 6: Carol kind of fits just because I don't know if
Speaker 6: he's head coaching again, and any point there's like Mike
Speaker 6: Rabel's out there too, but he's too big and too
Speaker 6: tall and too strong, apparently to work inside any building.
Speaker 3: By the way, it also kind of poked a hole
Speaker 3: in what was a plug and play narrative going into
Speaker 3: the season that anybody that was DC that would be
Speaker 3: a launching pad because Sala demigo and he was also
Speaker 3: a victim. Wilkes of the success of those guys as
Speaker 3: it turned out, because they were dominant under Ryan's last year,
Speaker 3: and this year they weren't bad. They finished third in
Speaker 3: points allowed seventeen point five, but they are underlying numbers
Speaker 3: that have popped the hood. They are only ninth in
Speaker 3: defensive EPA, and they got killed in the playoffs, especially
Speaker 3: on the ground, giving up over five yards of carry
Speaker 3: and one hundred and forty nine yards in the postseason,
Speaker 3: although they shut down Isaiah Pachaco. So you know it's
Speaker 3: a tough one. But you gotta trust Shanahan. We'll talk about.
Speaker 2: Kyle Ganahan can't fire Shanahan, so he had to fire.
Speaker 5: Although they're looking outside like I don't think they have
Speaker 5: a they didn't have like a logical replacement that built
Speaker 5: from within guy like Brandon Staley's an option.
Speaker 2: They doesn't seem like they know who they're.
Speaker 7: Going to they wanted Vic Fangio last year and get him.
Speaker 3: Jimmy Garoppolo's NFL career has taken another twist. The former
Speaker 3: forty nine Ers in current Raiders quarterback has been suspended
Speaker 3: two games for violating the NFL's performance enhancing substance policy.
Speaker 3: It is related to Jimmy G using a prescribed medication
Speaker 3: without having a valid therapeutic use exemption from the league.
Speaker 3: Jimmy G will not appeal the suspension, so he'll miss
Speaker 3: the first two games of the season. Reporting out there
Speaker 3: also says that the Raiders are expected to release Garoppolo
Speaker 3: before the fifth day of the new league year.
Speaker 2: That's next month.
Speaker 3: So Jimmy G, who just signed a three year, seventy
Speaker 3: two point seventy five million dollar contract that never felt
Speaker 3: right even when it happened. I think everybody's like, I
Speaker 3: don't know that included nearly thirty four million guaranteed.
Speaker 2: I don't know if the suspension messes with that at all,
Speaker 2: but it does.
Speaker 3: But Josh McDaniels was the team's head coach, Dave Ziegler
Speaker 3: was the general manager. None of that is the thing anymore.
Speaker 3: So that's how Jimmy G ends up back. I don't
Speaker 3: know where he is on Greg's free agency one on
Speaker 3: one if it gets to that, but it can't be
Speaker 3: very high because I feel like he's at a low
Speaker 3: value point right now in his career.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he'd be a good backup one BEE type, see
Speaker 5: a good maybe one O one, probably a little higher,
Speaker 5: he would be higher. I think it's a good point
Speaker 5: because he's not on my list. I kind of forgot
Speaker 5: about him because he is still on a roster right now,
Speaker 5: but I will, uh well, I don't need to put
Speaker 5: him on now because he's not a free agent, but
Speaker 5: I do want to be mentally prepared where to put him.
Speaker 5: It's pretty rare that you lose eleven million dollars though
Speaker 5: off of like a suspension like this, and that's what
Speaker 5: PFT reported, that he will lose because of it because
Speaker 5: it's no longer guaranteed.
Speaker 2: That is pretty brutal.
Speaker 6: He has made one hundred fifty million in his career
Speaker 6: and has one season where he started every game. I
Speaker 6: think that his starting days outside of a disaster are done.
Speaker 6: Like you kind of want to go somewhere and kind
Speaker 6: of ride it out as a well paid backup. Maybe
Speaker 6: the Texans, because he's been in that offensive system, not
Speaker 6: having to learn a new system from scratch.
Speaker 2: But who can pitch him as a starter at this point.
Speaker 2: We've seen it, we've been there, we've done that.
Speaker 4: I wonder where the Raiders are going to go now too,
Speaker 4: because Antonio Piers said that he doesn't want some like
Speaker 4: band aid situation at the quarterback position. They're at thirteen?
Speaker 4: Do they end up trading up at some point? They
Speaker 4: don't really draft quarterbacks early, they never really have traditionally.
Speaker 4: But Antonio Pierce does have a connection to Jayden Daniels
Speaker 4: from LSU, the Heisman winner, so they go back.
Speaker 7: Pierce recruited him at ASU.
Speaker 4: He gave Antonio Pierce a shout out in that acceptance
Speaker 4: speech and he was also in the Raiders locker room
Speaker 4: after that like win against Denver. So they have that
Speaker 4: connection going, so that could maybe be an option for them.
Speaker 3: Good nugget, Good nug Speaking of Antonio Pierce, he was
Speaker 3: on Max Crosby's The Rush podcast recently and.
Speaker 2: He had this to say about Patrick.
Speaker 3: Mahomes And you know, of course the Raiders during the
Speaker 3: interim run that Pierce had that got him this job
Speaker 3: in a full time capacity with the Raiders. They shut
Speaker 3: down the Chiefs on Christmas Day. Here's what he said
Speaker 3: on the Rush podcast.
Speaker 10: Got the Jordan rules, and I'm calling down from now
Speaker 10: on as long as I'm here.
Speaker 2: The Patrick Mahome rules.
Speaker 10: So you remember when Jordan was going through with the Pistons,
Speaker 10: all those guys in the eighties before he came Michael Jordan,
Speaker 10: Air Jordan, the Pistons used to whoop it anytime he
Speaker 10: came to the whole elbow. So filling them glove taps,
Speaker 10: we touched them when they had mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually,
Speaker 10: I'm touching you. So I'll show those guys Jordan and
Speaker 10: whoop and.
Speaker 3: He get more of that at his Twitter handle. The
Speaker 3: Rush with Max a little different. I'm just saying there's
Speaker 3: some Rex Ryan vibes with Antonio Pierce, which could be
Speaker 3: good or it could be bad.
Speaker 2: I'm very dubious of that.
Speaker 3: Higher it feels like one a late season run by
Speaker 3: an interim coach that I don't know if it's gonna
Speaker 3: be repeatable in the regular season. I like, from a
Speaker 3: content standpoint, someone going after Patrick Mahomes is saying we're
Speaker 3: gonna We're gonna whip on you, but you're just giving
Speaker 3: Mahomes more reason to whip your ass twice next year.
Speaker 6: I don't know why you need to verbalize that on
Speaker 6: the podcast, But like Dan, you've been on the beat,
Speaker 6: the the suspicious Antonio piece, Piers beat from and.
Speaker 3: I know Raider fans don't are kind of every time
Speaker 3: I mention it like they they're unhappy about it. But
Speaker 3: it's okay for someone else to have a different opinion
Speaker 3: about this guy. And I just don't know he's a
Speaker 3: perfect interim coach. I just don't know if this is
Speaker 3: gonna translate want so.
Speaker 4: Bad that I'm like so all in on He's He's
Speaker 4: always come crashing down on me.
Speaker 5: He's in a tough spot being in the division with
Speaker 5: Harbaugh and Andy Reid and Sean Payton, but talk like
Speaker 5: I do like that. It's why we liked Robert Sala
Speaker 5: I think when he first got the Jets job, because
Speaker 5: he was good on the mic and said, Cirin, what
Speaker 5: happened to that guy? Like right, certain confident things. That's
Speaker 5: why we like Rex Ryan. It's like, I like coaching
Speaker 5: the rare coach that actually speaks to it. And they
Speaker 5: did beat Patrick Mahomes's ass I mean they that was
Speaker 5: maybe the worst performance by Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas
Speaker 5: City Chiefs since he's been there. So like they, I
Speaker 5: know what. They didn't win the Super Bowl of it,
Speaker 5: but it changed Antonio Pierce's life.
Speaker 3: I think it got him like, oh, I have your contract.
Speaker 3: I think that was it. I think that was the
Speaker 3: win that did it. It was in Arrowhead too, is
Speaker 3: yeah all right?
Speaker 2: In other news you mentioned Rex Ryan.
Speaker 3: This was a good little uh media internal battle over
Speaker 3: in Bristol because the Cowboys before they made it official
Speaker 3: that they were hiring Mike Zimmer as their new defensive coordinator,
Speaker 3: replacing Dan Quinn, who got a head coaching job, Rex
Speaker 3: Ryan had interviewed for the job, and when Adam Schefter
Speaker 3: reported on I believe it was the NFC or the
Speaker 3: title Game Sunday that Zimmer was going to get the job, Ryan,
Speaker 3: on live television on ESPN, refuted Adam Schefter's report.
Speaker 2: No, no, yeah.
Speaker 3: As far as I know, you know, this is is
Speaker 3: not as a this is not a done deal like
Speaker 3: I'm in I'm in it. Well, sorry, Rex, because the
Speaker 3: Cowboys did indeed go with Mike Zimmer, so he takes
Speaker 3: over here is Zimmer at his introductory press conference last week.
Speaker 11: We're not trying to reinvent the wheel here. I mean,
Speaker 11: they've been pretty good, you know. I know there's been
Speaker 11: some situations where things haven't happened, but that happens in coaching,
Speaker 11: you know, what happens a lot. So we're gonna look
Speaker 11: at the players, try and figure out the best way
Speaker 11: to use them, put the scheme together, and again, you know,
Speaker 11: we want to take the good things that they've done
Speaker 11: and maybe add a few more other things that we've
Speaker 11: done good in the past.
Speaker 3: I'm happy that zimmers back like a good, cantankerous old coach,
Speaker 3: and he's grumpy, and if things go sideways in Dallas,
Speaker 3: whenever they give him the mic, he's going to be
Speaker 3: there's gonna be some entertainment there.
Speaker 2: Zimmer, the old grump is back.
Speaker 6: I think Zaddy had an interesting comment because there's a
Speaker 6: lot of them just you know, slapping each other on
Speaker 6: the back. But they faced each other a ton, and
Speaker 6: he said that, you know, when he'd get together with
Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers that they both identified Zimmer as in his
Speaker 6: defense in general, as the kind of the thorniest thing
Speaker 6: they'd run into each season. I mean, that's not how
Speaker 6: it ended in Minnesota for Zimmer, where I think one
Speaker 6: of the reasons he was flushed out was like this
Speaker 6: guy can't get along with younger players. He runs people
Speaker 6: the wrong way in the building. But I think the
Speaker 6: when you take away all the head coach layer of
Speaker 6: junk you gotta do and you can just focus on this,
Speaker 6: it's not a it's a you know what you're getting
Speaker 6: with Mike Zimmer. And I think, if anything, the Cowboys
Speaker 6: can't go into the season on either side of the
Speaker 6: ball with a big mystery or question mark.
Speaker 4: And Jerry Jones knows exactly what he's getting with Mike
Speaker 4: Zimmer because he was with the Cowboys for a long
Speaker 4: time as a defensive.
Speaker 2: Assistant ten years.
Speaker 5: I think of them mostly as a Cowboys guy exactly.
Speaker 7: He was there in the nineties when they were just
Speaker 7: like a powerhouse. Through Bill Parcells.
Speaker 2: Yep, he brings drama.
Speaker 5: I mean, even this negotiation to get the job brought
Speaker 5: drama because the flip side of what you said to
Speaker 5: Rex Ryan was at some point, I think it was
Speaker 5: the Monday after the Super Bowl, for like an hour,
Speaker 5: Adam Schefter actually reported this Zimmer job that I had
Speaker 5: reported was done is maybe not, you know, as locked
Speaker 5: in as we thought, and Rex Ryan is now a
Speaker 5: strong candidate. Within an hour, it was Zimmer's job. So
Speaker 5: it was basically Jerry Jones and company saying like, all right,
Speaker 5: you've messed around long enough. Zimmer wanting more money, We're
Speaker 5: not giving you the money, Like, stop this, it has
Speaker 5: been a week.
Speaker 2: We are going to hire Rex Ryan.
Speaker 5: We're going to tell you by putting it through the
Speaker 5: thing like take the job. We want you to take
Speaker 5: the job. And then he takes the job.
Speaker 3: All right, let's pause right here for a minute and
Speaker 3: take a break and then get back to the news.
Speaker 3: All right, we're back in other news, the Buccaneers and
Speaker 3: Mike Evans. It's looking increasingly possible he's played his last
Speaker 3: game in Tampa. It was reported the Bucks had a
Speaker 3: soft deadline to get an extension done with Evans. That
Speaker 3: told yesterday, and both sides, according to Jordan Schultz of
Speaker 3: Bleacher Report, are far apart. So Tampa Bay will take
Speaker 3: on over seven million in dead money if they don't
Speaker 3: get a deal done, which they didn't. And now I
Speaker 3: think because of Greg the situation with his the way
Speaker 3: his contract is structured, any type of franchise tag would
Speaker 3: be very burdensome to them. So it's very possible he
Speaker 3: ends up in your freegency one on one, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, which would be fun.
Speaker 5: I think the tag for him would be twenty eight
Speaker 5: million dollars, which just seems a little wild, even for
Speaker 5: a one year contract, which is always nice for the team.
Speaker 5: And yet now they they're already paying putting seven million
Speaker 5: dollars on the books now, as you mentioned in dead money,
Speaker 5: like even if they do resign him, they're gonna have
Speaker 5: dead money from not having resigned him by this week,
Speaker 5: which it.
Speaker 2: Does make it a lot more likely that he's gone.
Speaker 5: And I think part of it is they want to
Speaker 5: use that franchise tag on Antoine Winfield would be my guest.
Speaker 5: Baker Mayfield's also free agent. They have other free agents
Speaker 5: and they really might say good but I wouldn't totally
Speaker 5: roll it out like that. They just step up and
Speaker 5: give them. But it doesn't make financial sense, like why,
Speaker 5: you know, why would they have dead money and then
Speaker 5: sign them for even more money?
Speaker 6: Mark, and the tag doesn't make a ton of sense
Speaker 6: because it's like this isn't they won a playoff game
Speaker 6: and like that they had a nice season, and it's
Speaker 6: like you got a lot of moving parts with Baker
Speaker 6: and the rest. But it's like, this isn't a one
Speaker 6: year super Bowl window team where you bring them back
Speaker 6: and the enough to do this next offseason. Yeah, but
Speaker 6: I don't love watching Mike Evan just go out the
Speaker 6: door either.
Speaker 3: This is great news mark for fans of teams in
Speaker 3: the AFC North that are not the Pittsburgh Steelers fans.
Speaker 2: Jerry Dulac is a Dullek, Dulach, Dullock, duelik Old. It
Speaker 2: could be all of them.
Speaker 3: Jarry d of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette had this. He
Speaker 3: wrote this recently in his reporting. In fact, there appears
Speaker 3: to be some internal division that maybe Mason Rudolph should
Speaker 3: be the starter after the way he finished the twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three season, winning the final three regular season games
Speaker 3: to gain entry into the playoffs. In any event, Duloch
Speaker 3: went on, the Steelers are not interested in bringing in
Speaker 3: a quarterback who wants to be a starter. That would
Speaker 3: include Justin Fields and Kirk Cousins and probably even Russell Wilson,
Speaker 3: who has a connection to the team. They are committed
Speaker 3: to giving Kenny pick At a third season to see
Speaker 3: if he is the guy to do more than just
Speaker 3: win a playoff game, something they haven't done in a
Speaker 3: franchise record seven years. So the post Big Ben landscape
Speaker 3: and really the end of Ben's career there the quarterback
Speaker 3: has been problem for Pittsburgh and I think this is
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're a Steelers fan, you're pulling your
Speaker 3: hair out because you don't you know Rudolph is who
Speaker 3: Rudolph is, and Pikett hasn't shown enough are they actually
Speaker 3: is this a smoke screen sess Dog?
Speaker 2: Actually, I'm serious about that.
Speaker 6: And I think think the environment could change depending on
Speaker 6: you know, who becomes available and there are you know,
Speaker 6: there was some whispering during Super Bowl week that Ryan
Speaker 6: Tannehill was maybe on the radar of the Steelers. But
Speaker 6: if this is their plan, I you know, there's such
Speaker 6: a shrleott consistent organization always haven't. But then also you
Speaker 6: get stuck in your own thinking here this is about
Speaker 6: as uncreative a solution to a quarterback problem.
Speaker 2: Quarterback problems get people fired.
Speaker 6: And like Mike, Tomlin's in a better position than most
Speaker 6: coaches and most coaching staffs. But you're in a division
Speaker 6: with Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson and in theory to Sean Watson,
Speaker 6: but also the Browns and Ravens defenses. Right, it's like,
Speaker 6: you're gonna You're gonna tell Steelers fans in mid February,
Speaker 6: we're going back in with the same two dudes.
Speaker 2: A quarterback.
Speaker 6: You don't wait till year three or four to find
Speaker 6: out if a rookie camp play Conneye. It seems impossible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well you cut your and then Mason Rudolph is
Speaker 4: an impending free agent, so you don't have a backup
Speaker 4: to Canny Pickett, Like, what what is your plan?
Speaker 7: Exactly like that.
Speaker 5: That's they assume that they'll want Mason Rudolph more than
Speaker 5: any other team, which is a pretty safe assumption for
Speaker 5: people in the building to want him to start. They
Speaker 5: also are probably looking at Mason Rudolf, not as you
Speaker 5: didn't saying we know who he is, Dan looking at him, but.
Speaker 2: It made it a different way than I do. Right.
Speaker 5: They they're looking at him as a guy that you know,
Speaker 5: didn't play for two or three years, and then when
Speaker 5: he did just play at the end of last season,
Speaker 5: they saw maybe a they believe they saw a different guy,
Speaker 5: and they're going into it. It seems insane and I
Speaker 5: don't quite buy it because Arthur Smith has no history
Speaker 5: with these guys. He's the offensive coordinator. Like, I like,
Speaker 5: it's funny that they used the like the first hours
Speaker 5: of the offseason to cut Trubisky. He's just like, it's
Speaker 5: almost like mean. And their punter who did have some
Speaker 5: pretty bad moments, Pressy Harvient, and they're starting right tackle.
Speaker 5: They mistakenly gave a huge contract to just a couple
Speaker 5: of years ago, horror for CHUCKSA. Corriford, and so they've
Speaker 5: cut him too. It's like, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 5: buy this. What team doesn't want to bring in a
Speaker 5: quarterback that wants to start? It just seems we've seen
Speaker 5: Arthur Smith without a quarterback? Doesn't it feel like the
Speaker 5: little Steelers e though too. That's the onlyest I believe it.
Speaker 3: And let me preface this by saying, there are many
Speaker 3: teams who are worse than the Pittsburgh Steelers in the
Speaker 3: NFL right now. Hell, they did make the playoffs this year,
Speaker 3: but there is not in my opinion, there is not
Speaker 3: a more boring team in football right now, a team
Speaker 3: that I look less forward to watching on game pass
Speaker 3: than watching I.
Speaker 5: Give you that New England Patriots. I mean, it's February,
Speaker 5: but bad world though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I understand you have a personal connection to them,
Speaker 3: but I'm saying, like when I put it on unless
Speaker 3: you you know, you get juiced watching their defense make
Speaker 3: plays and TJ. Watt and I get that. But in
Speaker 3: terms of offensive football, the Steelers are with especially they
Speaker 3: have players, they have players, and sometimes you see it,
Speaker 3: but it's such a slock. It always feels like it's
Speaker 3: raining and it's just like it's.
Speaker 2: Just to watch. There's no number of months though at
Speaker 2: least there's no son.
Speaker 3: You know that old story about the girl that gets
Speaker 3: locked in the closet when there's the one sunny day
Speaker 3: on Mars.
Speaker 2: You know that old fable or whatever that tale was. No,
Speaker 2: I'm interested, cousin. I'll look it up. I'll find it. Mars.
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm the I'm the little girl locked
Speaker 3: in the closet for the one day of sunshine and
Speaker 3: every time I get out, it's raining again at the
Speaker 3: old Hinz Field and I'm watching a slog of sixteen
Speaker 3: to ten game. I'm just sick of it. Steelers fans,
Speaker 3: you hear me. You might even know what I'm talking
Speaker 3: about about the girl that never got to see the sun.
Speaker 4: Connie, you search, No, No, I'm just right that Dan
Speaker 4: is the little girl locked in the.
Speaker 3: Kind of feel like it might have been a Mars. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know. Let me look into it. Go ahead,
Speaker 3: let me tee you up on another item, and then
Speaker 3: we're going to get out of the way. Russell Wilson
Speaker 3: is selling his stint for home Mark after a disastrous
Speaker 3: two year run with the Broncos that appears at an end,
Speaker 3: and also the player he once traded for, Gino Smith.
Speaker 3: The Seahawks go ahead and guaranteed his base salary this year,
Speaker 3: paving the way for another season.
Speaker 2: There, go ahead with a.
Speaker 6: Home was worth about twenty five million. Let's start right there,
Speaker 6: then let's end right there.
Speaker 5: It's rich, the most expensive property ever sold in the
Speaker 5: Denver area.
Speaker 2: Just two years ago.
Speaker 7: So oh my gosh, Well, I'm not so he's gotta
Speaker 7: sell it.
Speaker 2: You're not.
Speaker 6: I get that, you're not gonna you know Airbnb that
Speaker 6: that sounds difficult.
Speaker 2: So you get out of ten, you're gone.
Speaker 6: And I do think the one reason I thought about
Speaker 6: putting this into our storylines it's more from the Broncos side,
Speaker 6: because like they're gonna need obviously a lot at quarterback,
Speaker 6: something to keep Sean Payton happy. There's ways that go
Speaker 6: go depending where they are on the draft. But the
Speaker 6: financials saddled to Wilson are insane.
Speaker 2: I mean they're like you.
Speaker 6: Can get any I feel like any team get out
Speaker 6: of these things, but they will essentially have them eighty
Speaker 6: five million in dead money.
Speaker 5: There's a pretty strong case that it's the worst in
Speaker 5: NFL history that it's and it's right there with Herschawalker
Speaker 5: and all these other and the GMC for what they got,
Speaker 5: what they gave up, the money that you're saying is
Speaker 5: now even hurting them into this year, and you got
Speaker 5: like one disastrous season in one season where he was
Speaker 5: like the nineteenth best quarterback in the league.
Speaker 2: Out of all that.
Speaker 5: It's crazy and I don't I don't see the home
Speaker 5: for him because Pittsburgh, like Chadow Chowsinko's on his podcast
Speaker 5: saying he's been here in all week that Russell Wilson
Speaker 5: and Steelers, that's a match that wouldn't match up with
Speaker 5: the report we just talked about though, And that report
Speaker 5: from do like almost felt like a response to all
Speaker 5: this Russell Wilson stuff because it was going around quite
Speaker 5: a bit in Vegas. He's like, the Steelers are the
Speaker 5: favorite for his next destination. I don't think that means anything,
Speaker 5: and I don't know if there's a starting job for
Speaker 5: Russ out there.
Speaker 3: And finally in the news, the tag window has opened.
Speaker 2: Greg. What do you got anybody a little tag talk?
Speaker 5: You want to do a tech I want to do
Speaker 5: a little tag talk?
Speaker 2: Yeah talk? Did you not think by the way it
Speaker 2: was interested?
Speaker 5: I did what I mentioned, just that they guaranteed him
Speaker 5: the base salary, which was pretty low. But almost immediately
Speaker 5: the shifters of the world put out that the Seahawks thought, look,
Speaker 5: he's he has a low price and that whether we
Speaker 5: keep him or trade him, we want to he's a
Speaker 5: good at like he's basically an asset. And I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 5: that that would indicate to me they're thinking about possibly
Speaker 5: trading him. How the off season goes, Yeah.
Speaker 6: They're a new offensive coordinator, was the Washington Huskies head
Speaker 6: coach Ryan Grubb. And if you think that maybe they
Speaker 6: could keep Gino because it's I think this is the
Speaker 6: opposite of the Russell Wilson words like he's an affordable
Speaker 6: quarterback at that price. But Grub was like the guy
Speaker 6: who was attached to Michael Pennox Junior, who is like
Speaker 6: a rising name at quarterback, and maybe Gino works as
Speaker 6: a keep him around, yeah for one season and let
Speaker 6: Penix Junior be your dude or fill in the blank rookie.
Speaker 5: It just struck me as a when when I saw
Speaker 5: that from the shifters of the world, it's just like
Speaker 5: they're not sure yet. They're gonna see, like what's maybe
Speaker 5: shakes out, see how they feel in a month or two,
Speaker 5: but they would be they'll be happy enough if they
Speaker 5: have Geno, like that's a good option, but they might
Speaker 5: be looking at it, or maybe they'll do something with Pennix.
Speaker 2: Like that's fine.
Speaker 4: But I'm still stuck on the fact that Russell Wilson
Speaker 4: has fewer wins in Denver than he had bathrooms in
Speaker 4: his house.
Speaker 5: That he's a yeah, that's statistics, that's up there. He's
Speaker 5: never got to pass it.
Speaker 3: That's a good like rich people mansion story that's up
Speaker 3: there with when mc hammer went bankrupt and like, did
Speaker 3: you know he had gold plated law sits in his bathroom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes and the Andy Reid also have more wins
Speaker 5: in Allegiance Stadium than any Raiders coach quarterback Combo. That's
Speaker 5: a fun one, all of it together. Wow, Touffy, that's
Speaker 5: a take.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 5: So the tag it's open. It's a big, big tag day.
Speaker 5: February twentieth.
Speaker 2: Everyone. I don't know how you're celebrating. You can.
Speaker 5: You can apply the tag. You got a couple of
Speaker 5: weeks to do so made a quick list. I think
Speaker 5: Antoine Winfield, I think he gets it over Baker, over Evans.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: T Higgins almost certainly is gonna get it after that,
Speaker 5: a little fewer less less locks than normal. Josh Allen,
Speaker 5: I would say with the Jaguars W T.
Speaker 3: Higgins, I thought it was kind of a foregone conclusion
Speaker 3: he was going to reach free agency.
Speaker 2: Did something change there?
Speaker 6: I think they're going to let Tyler Boyd go do that,
Speaker 6: But then you could lose two guys and you got
Speaker 6: to pay Chase too.
Speaker 5: Because it's the Bengals, they keep things in house in
Speaker 5: terms of sourcing and reporters better than just about any team.
Speaker 5: No one really knows. I just think it'd be kind
Speaker 5: of crazy to let te Higgins go to that.
Speaker 2: I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I to figure everyone's been already like putting him atop
Speaker 3: the free agency board.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now I think Burrow.
Speaker 4: Came out like basically said that he needs him back.
Speaker 7: We have the cap space.
Speaker 5: Right well, see today have a lot of that should
Speaker 5: not be in the lock. I used to do it
Speaker 5: as a column, as a lock. It's close to it.
Speaker 5: But Josh Allen, I think is the lock. Brian Burns
Speaker 5: is probable. Justin Mattabike for the Ravens, good chance, Christian
Speaker 5: Wilkins for the Dolphins, good chance. So these again all
Speaker 5: all the best possible free agents. Jalen Johnson, I think
Speaker 5: the cornerback for the Bears decent chance. Lagarious Steed and
Speaker 5: Chris Jones is a huge Chiefs conversation where they Chris
Speaker 5: Jones would do thirty two million on the I think
Speaker 5: would be his tag number.
Speaker 2: Sesson. That's it. That's why insane or.
Speaker 5: Lagarious Sneid, who I think is going to become, if
Speaker 5: not the highest paid cornerback in the league, close to it.
Speaker 5: That's trick trick always.
Speaker 4: I was thinking about that right after the Super Bowl
Speaker 4: because I ran into Spags on the field and he was, hey,
Speaker 4: did he was crying, like and when I asked him
Speaker 4: about like just you know the win, obviously, he immediately
Speaker 4: went to this is never this is this group is
Speaker 4: never going to be together again, and we're never going
Speaker 4: to have these players experience this. And it was more
Speaker 4: like from a place of sadness than it was celebratory tears.
Speaker 7: And that really hit me. And in that moment, I
Speaker 7: was like, Chris Jones, Chris Jones.
Speaker 5: And would they really just like let him walk? To me,
Speaker 5: the best way to do this probably would be to
Speaker 5: tag Snead and get that deal done with Jones before
Speaker 5: free agency.
Speaker 2: Somehow he's going to cost the chill. This was money, like.
Speaker 6: At the at the celebration, and we'll get like Jones
Speaker 6: like verbalized that he wanted to be there for like
Speaker 6: multiple more years, and he certainly had had a few beers,
Speaker 6: but I think that's that leads to more truth truth,
Speaker 6: and that time.
Speaker 2: A few beers.
Speaker 6: They were though also like we're gonna if they're gonna
Speaker 6: pay him, and they and let's say it's a little
Speaker 6: bit less and he goes to some hideous team that
Speaker 6: has a ton of caprom like the Commanders or something
Speaker 6: like why not win.
Speaker 2: Multiple super Bowls for just a little bit less money?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think that's what Mahomes did with his
Speaker 5: contract bar or less.
Speaker 2: I love that not all about the green Backs. He's
Speaker 2: he's already making so much money he wants to have.
Speaker 6: I think the saddest thing is like when he wants
Speaker 6: super bowls and then goes to a terrible team and
Speaker 6: it's just like the one guy on a terrible team.
Speaker 5: He needs like the three year guaranteed money.
Speaker 2: But he should get that.
Speaker 6: If you're bored by the steel I don't want to
Speaker 6: see him on the Panthers or like no, no, no, Like
Speaker 6: that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, life is it's just not about all green Backs. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not.
Speaker 6: I mean, for I'd say for the ninety percent of
Speaker 6: doing the show, we knew it was not all about Greenbacks,
Speaker 6: and you know gets closer to that all the time.
Speaker 5: And Barkley, by the way, to a couple of other
Speaker 5: big news is less like Barkley, Derrick, Henry Tyrant Smith.
Speaker 5: I think they're all unlikely. No, no, put it in
Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins and Daniel Hunter who you might look at like, oh,
Speaker 5: why they on the free agent's list. Both of them
Speaker 5: cannot be tagged because of their they have that in
Speaker 5: their contract, so the Vikings will not be using their tags.
Speaker 2: Well done on those Good job by the agent.
Speaker 3: Patrick Queen though also in Baltimore, like he's you think
Speaker 3: they're I.
Speaker 2: Just don't think.
Speaker 3: I think that's I just see him listed at Yes, I.
Speaker 5: Personally don't think they would put that much money on
Speaker 5: another inside linebacker when they have Roquin Smith. But maybe
Speaker 5: they would surprise me, especially when you have a mattabk
Speaker 5: as an option.
Speaker 2: All right, we're caught up. That's what's happening in the news.
Speaker 2: Here we go. Are you ready? All?
Speaker 3: Summer in a Day is a science fiction short story
Speaker 3: by American writer Ray Bradbury, first published famous March nineteen
Speaker 3: fifty four. The story is about a class of students
Speaker 3: on Venus right Tron pew Markie, which is in the
Speaker 3: story a world of constant rainstorms where the sun is
Speaker 3: only visible for one hour every seven years. One of
Speaker 3: the children, Margo, moved to Venus from Earth five years
Speaker 3: ago five years earlier, and is the only one who
Speaker 3: remembers the sun since it shines regularly on earth, she
Speaker 3: describes to the sun. She describes the sun to the
Speaker 3: other children as being like a penny or a fire
Speaker 3: in the stove. The other children, being too young to
Speaker 3: have ever seen it themselves, do not believe her. Just
Speaker 3: before the sun comes out, a boy named William rallies
Speaker 3: the other children and they lock Margo in a closet
Speaker 3: down a tunnel. The teacher arrives to take the class
Speaker 3: outside to enjoy their hour of sunshine. In their astonishment
Speaker 3: and joy, they all forget about Margo and gleefully rush
Speaker 3: to play outside, savoring every second of their newfound freedom.
Speaker 2: It begins to rain again, and the.
Speaker 3: Children start crying once they realize they won't get to
Speaker 3: see the sun again for another seven years. The children
Speaker 3: run back inside as the sun disappears and it starts storming.
Speaker 2: At this point, one of them remembers Margo. They let
Speaker 2: her out of.
Speaker 3: The closet and stand frozen a shame over what they
Speaker 3: have done. Now that they will find and that they
Speaker 3: finally understand what she had been missing.
Speaker 2: That's what it's like watching the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 6: I know, I mean, it's an incredible vision that you've
Speaker 6: created for us, I think like Raymond Bradbury, U right,
Speaker 6: obviously testing the limits of various substances and was on
Speaker 6: the child gang beat well before other people. And I've
Speaker 6: you know, I've been on that beat myself that these
Speaker 6: child gangs are a problem.
Speaker 2: For about fifteen.
Speaker 5: Seconds there, I thought that was like a live ad read.
Speaker 7: Dan Is Margot of.
Speaker 3: Like for audible, I don't know what it would be
Speaker 3: for Let the American viewing public out of that closet
Speaker 3: of Pittsburgh Steelers at least let us see the sunshine. Yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 3: that's uh yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.
Speaker 3: And when we return, the biggest storylines of the off
Speaker 3: season at first and Golden Mahomes, Wings, hist Hartman, jack.
Speaker 12: Pot, Kansas City, and this was the Andy Reid special.
Speaker 2: This was the Andy Reid special we talked about. He
Speaker 2: was saving all day.
Speaker 12: He's gonna fake emotion to go across and at that
Speaker 12: moment he turns and goes back Hartman.
Speaker 2: Who they didn't have, right and they go get.
Speaker 12: Hardened and bring him back and the game winning drive
Speaker 12: of Mahoon's career.
Speaker 2: He's been waiting for his winser goals, but he's never
Speaker 2: had it, and in overtime he is the best. He
Speaker 2: is the standard where Michael Jordan wins it again.
Speaker 3: There it is the call of the touchdown to me
Speaker 3: Cole Hartman from Patrick Mahones in overtime. You know that
Speaker 3: was I thought about it on the flight home from Vegas.
Speaker 3: The first time in NFL history. Now second overtime game,
Speaker 3: but that obviously Falcons. Oh my god, Kyle, Yeah, was
Speaker 3: the overtime both of those. That's crazy. That's a tie game.
Speaker 3: Obviously when you're running back. Was it James White goes
Speaker 3: in the end zone?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: That That was the first time in NFL history where
Speaker 3: the Super Bowls decided one team's winning when the play
Speaker 3: starts and the other team wins when it's over. That
Speaker 3: is crushing to the very last play, and I still
Speaker 3: can never I'll always remember sitting at that great spot
Speaker 3: we had that perch where our studio set up, was
Speaker 3: all of those Niners fans right below us, like they
Speaker 3: in the Even though it was creeping death, there still
Speaker 3: was a chance if there's a Malcolm Butler type play.
Speaker 2: Or something could happen. Hopeful that a man the well.
Speaker 3: Right in front of us. There was a lot of anxiety,
Speaker 3: which is understandable. The center for the Chiefs all game
Speaker 3: was bad snaps over and over and over again, their
Speaker 3: former first round pick holding up hope, but hope was
Speaker 3: not going to be rewarded.
Speaker 5: That feeling of them coming down the field, to quote
Speaker 5: Dave Damage, like that's living.
Speaker 2: To me, Like, there's a lot of that's living.
Speaker 5: Most of it's in your life with people that matter
Speaker 5: to you, that you love, doing things and stuff.
Speaker 2: But they're to me, that's why.
Speaker 7: I love sports, feeling emotions.
Speaker 5: No, I'm saying in a in a in a moment
Speaker 5: like that where you've built the entire season too, just
Speaker 5: like it's all gonna happen in these next couple of moments. There,
Speaker 5: to me is a heightened sense of life, of reality
Speaker 5: where everything you're your not you notice more in those spots.
Speaker 5: You see a little more in those spots. And it's
Speaker 5: one of the reasons why this job is so great too.
Speaker 3: M the guy, the guy that I'll always think of,
Speaker 3: was directly below me. And when Moody hits the field
Speaker 3: goal to put them in head and overtime, he is
Speaker 3: seated with his head down. He can't even watch, and
Speaker 3: I think his wife and his buddy like past him
Speaker 3: on the back and he made it. He made it,
Speaker 3: so you can imagine where he was minutes later. So
Speaker 3: it's a great sports man.
Speaker 6: I also have this memory of cause, you know, unlike
Speaker 6: other Super Bowls, we were on the East Coast and
Speaker 6: you come back to like the hotel and there's like
Speaker 6: eight people awake because we were there to like two
Speaker 6: in the morning. Like you go back to our hotel
Speaker 6: in Vegas and it's like, we haven't even begun this evening,
Speaker 6: Like what's everyone's doing. But there were hordes of like
Speaker 6: Niners fans obviously in our hotel, and I just thought, like,
Speaker 6: how low are you feeling where you're like in this
Speaker 6: haze postgame where you're wandering around with like your pals
Speaker 6: all in like use check and McCaffrey jerseys, and you
Speaker 6: just lost another Super Bowl. It just like I think,
Speaker 6: it just feels so hopeless for the losing team, even
Speaker 6: though I see I looked at the like the DraftKings
Speaker 6: odds and like the Niners were the number one team
Speaker 6: to go back, and I'm thinking, like I will never
Speaker 6: not pick the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl. In
Speaker 6: the next couple of years. I'm not falling down this
Speaker 6: trap door ever again.
Speaker 2: Dame.
Speaker 4: We where we were, our green room in the stadium
Speaker 4: shared a wall with the Chiefs locker room, so for
Speaker 4: two hours after the game, we could just hear everything
Speaker 4: that was happening. And so everyone that like works on
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl, the whole crew just stays and drinks
Speaker 4: afterwards and like hangs out on the field. But it
Speaker 4: was so interesting to like sort of all like huddle
Speaker 4: around with our like little like red solo cups trying
Speaker 4: to listen to the chief speech through the concrete wall.
Speaker 2: Very cool, That's amazing. Like that game.
Speaker 5: I had this theory like the way that game, and
Speaker 5: it really was a great game in terms of strategy
Speaker 5: and and everything that went on in the last like
Speaker 5: quarter and you know, over time and a half essentially.
Speaker 5: But it reminded me of a great tennis match when
Speaker 5: in a previous life when I used to, you know,
Speaker 5: get into these sorts of things. No sport has the
Speaker 5: odds flip as quickly as a great tennis match, because
Speaker 5: you get to the championship, you have a match point, right,
Speaker 5: you might lose that point, lose that game, and then
Speaker 5: it's right back to tie.
Speaker 2: Terrible win probability charges off.
Speaker 5: It goes like from like all you need is one
Speaker 5: more part like minus eight hundred to win, and then
Speaker 5: two seconds later you're an underdog. And that's what the
Speaker 5: Super Bowl felt by because there were a couple match points.
Speaker 5: The forty nine ers coming out of that two minute warning.
Speaker 5: All they needed was a first down that was essentially
Speaker 5: a match point. You only needed four yards the whole
Speaker 5: last Mahomes drive. You could look at it like the
Speaker 5: defense just had to make one play and there was
Speaker 5: you know, and then the whole thing would be over.
Speaker 5: There was a second eighteen, there was a third and
Speaker 5: long and so there was all just like the whole
Speaker 5: thing could have ended on one point.
Speaker 6: But the quarter into overtime was some of the best
Speaker 6: Super Bowl Oh my god drama that we've ever been
Speaker 6: in person yet and I really agree with you at
Speaker 6: the end, you could just feel like this building a
Speaker 6: tension in the building, like rising.
Speaker 3: A few other Super Bowl takeaways before we look at
Speaker 3: to the offseason. First of all, shout out Colleen Woolf,
Speaker 3: who was the in stadium.
Speaker 2: Host of the freaking Game.
Speaker 3: We mentioned it on Super Bowl Sunday, but Connie All
Speaker 3: throughout the pregame, including her thunderbird birds going up in
Speaker 3: the the get watch that with astonishment in the stadium,
Speaker 3: including the iconic shot of you in the suit with
Speaker 3: the giant American flag.
Speaker 2: In front of you looking back.
Speaker 5: You missed it live, but I was glad you put.
Speaker 3: We did a great job explaining it on Radio Row,
Speaker 3: but actually seeing it was I was blown away. And
Speaker 3: then you did an awesome job all throughout the game
Speaker 3: that then went into overtime.
Speaker 2: Did you get paid extra when it goes into overtime? No?
Speaker 3: So people know, like when when you're in commercial break
Speaker 3: watching the game, Colleen is with a co host, who
Speaker 3: is it?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 7: There was a few.
Speaker 2: There was a few.
Speaker 7: I play Mike, Rob Steve was there Smith.
Speaker 3: Basically talking things, talking through the crowds to seventy thousand people,
Speaker 3: like what's going on, sharing different thoughts.
Speaker 2: It was very cool and.
Speaker 6: I think also one cool thing because like we it's
Speaker 6: it's commonplace for us to watch you just go star
Speaker 6: like this, but we were lucky enough to bring like
Speaker 6: guests and like we're like, oh, that's our friend, like
Speaker 6: down on the field, Yeah, like announcing to the entire
Speaker 6: stadium and flying around and jet to like, that's your friend.
Speaker 2: It makes it feel like a home game.
Speaker 5: You and Cynthia also had a couple of segments where
Speaker 5: voicing stuff in the pregame and I'm just like, wow,
Speaker 5: our friends are just like voicing the freaking super Bowl.
Speaker 3: I think you put it well on the on the
Speaker 3: super Bowl wrap up show, Greg, it feels like our
Speaker 3: world has gotten a little smaller for a game that big,
Speaker 3: which is Oh.
Speaker 2: That was actually Greg, I do.
Speaker 3: I was gonna give it to you if you needed
Speaker 3: it after the ticket fiasco on your desk.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: My kind of takeaway after it because again, we were
Speaker 3: watching the game in person. Our vantage point isn't always great.
Speaker 3: We don't have access to replays. And then we go
Speaker 3: when we do an hour and a half on the
Speaker 3: right after the game talking about it. So getting to
Speaker 3: read and watch things I thought what it was a
Speaker 3: boondoggle for Kyle. I thought Shanahan and and things that
Speaker 3: I've watched about his strategy, Uh one one I watched
Speaker 3: like a real deep dive, a cutup of like mistakes
Speaker 3: that he made in strategy, his failure to protect adequately
Speaker 3: call up protect schemes for party typified by the final
Speaker 3: possession they had in overtime before the field goal where
Speaker 3: they call a fake kind of end around to CMC
Speaker 3: that involves to sell The fake to CMC involves the
Speaker 3: center pulling away from Chris Jones and then leaving the
Speaker 3: middle of the San Francisco offensive line, which was their
Speaker 3: weakness throughout the game, and the way they ran the
Speaker 3: football the way Spag. They kind of played right into
Speaker 3: Spags's hands throughout the game where Spags kind of schooled
Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan where they're running McCaffrey over and over into
Speaker 3: this area occupied by their guards, which is their weak point,
Speaker 3: and Chris Jones the most dominant defensive lineman on the planet.
Speaker 3: And then right down to, of course, the overtime situation,
Speaker 3: which we talked about a little bit on Super Bowl Sunday,
Speaker 3: but the team San Francisco clearly not maybe having a
Speaker 3: handle on the overtime rules and the obviously the decision
Speaker 3: not to give the ball the Chiefs after they win
Speaker 3: the coin toss and OT and so. On the New
Speaker 3: Heights podcast, Travis Kelcey and his brother Jason, they get
Speaker 3: into how overtime played out and the setup and how
Speaker 3: prepared the Chiefs were for it, like the Patriots famously
Speaker 3: had Ernie Adams their guy that was behind the scenes
Speaker 3: that had that team always kind of one step ahead,
Speaker 3: and especially in these type of crucible games. Well, the
Speaker 3: Chiefs have someone, a guy named Mike Fraser who is
Speaker 3: their statistical analysis coordinator, and Travis Kelcey made a point
Speaker 3: on his podcast to give him credit for having them
Speaker 3: prepared in a way it seemed like the forty nine
Speaker 3: ers were not.
Speaker 1: He's the one that goes over all these scenarios, all
Speaker 1: these big time situations yep and a half and a
Speaker 1: game rule changes. He's the one that comes up stands
Speaker 1: in front of the team, when he comes in front
Speaker 1: of the TV or everybody get fired fur then sure enough,
Speaker 1: he goes over these kinds of situations. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: we went over the overtime rules three times four times
Speaker 1: in the two week span that we were in like
Speaker 1: the play it like in the actually the overtime rules.
Speaker 1: The every single week we talked about overtime rules in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and phrase was upfront giving what we would
Speaker 1: do in all these scenarios. So everybody on the team,
Speaker 1: on our like, we knew exactly what the best situation
Speaker 1: was how we were going to handle it, how we
Speaker 1: were gonna like attack it. And a guy like that, Man,
Speaker 1: you don't realize how big of a big of a
Speaker 1: you know, job it is to do that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: because it's kind of like, all right, you're just going
Speaker 1: over the rules. We kind of know the rules, but
Speaker 1: it's like when you harp on them, it becomes second
Speaker 1: nature and you don't even think about it in the
Speaker 1: in the game and it's just, you know, phrase coming up,
Speaker 1: big man, they gotta they gotta get a phrase over there.
Speaker 3: And in San France, I mean, hold on though, somethansee
Speaker 3: phrase can walk away knowing that Travis Kelcey obviously was
Speaker 3: listening to phrage.
Speaker 6: But then you've got the narrative that Mikol Harmon didn't
Speaker 6: even know that the game was over, so someone's not
Speaker 6: paying attention.
Speaker 2: No, you can only do so much.
Speaker 6: Well me cole Harmon that it didn't stick into me.
Speaker 5: I think he was just yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 5: he didn't know the rules as much as like he
Speaker 5: was just in the moment.
Speaker 4: Also, like how catches had he even made to that
Speaker 4: point when he was with all season long before that.
Speaker 5: I think he was just like focused on, Like, I'm.
Speaker 6: But do you think the Niners don't have a guy
Speaker 6: like that that would about?
Speaker 2: No, I don't, but it was enough reporting around the
Speaker 2: game afterwards that they don't.
Speaker 5: I don't think Kyle Shanahan had a good feel of
Speaker 5: it either. He came back the next day and then said, well, actually,
Speaker 5: our plan was we wanted to get the ball third,
Speaker 5: Like if we matched, then we wanted to get the
Speaker 5: ball third. And I was like, I don't believe you.
Speaker 5: You've lied a lot in public situations. You lied about
Speaker 5: that Steve. You were going to keep Steve Wilkes the
Speaker 5: day before you got rid of and I understand why
Speaker 5: you have to do that. But the day before when
Speaker 5: he got asked the same question, he didn't have that answer.
Speaker 5: He just said, come on, we wanted the ball, he.
Speaker 3: Said, pulled on himself again when he said that, because
Speaker 3: I think Kelsey or some I think Kelsey also said
Speaker 3: the Chiefs plan written in stone is that if the
Speaker 3: other team scores a touchdown, we get the ball back.
Speaker 3: We go for two if we score a touchdown, right, So,
Speaker 3: no matter what, there wasn't a third possession coming for
Speaker 3: the Niners. And he wasn't prepared for that as a
Speaker 3: possibility either. And I guess the one other thing I'm
Speaker 3: gonna say is that I watched another cutup of their
Speaker 3: game plan we talked about Deebo Samuel was targeted eleven
Speaker 3: times three catches. He is not good as good in
Speaker 3: man coverage. He eats up zone coverage, their man coverage destroyers.
Speaker 3: Brandon Ayuk, who just throughout the playoffs, really was not
Speaker 3: getting targeted the way he should. And they showed all
Speaker 3: these moments in the game whereas you're targeting Ayuk, he's
Speaker 3: probably shaken free with his route running ability in a
Speaker 3: way that Debo doesn't because he has a different skill set.
Speaker 3: So I'm just all these things like it's just like you,
Speaker 3: Kyle doesn't get a pass, And I'm not going to
Speaker 3: bury party at all. I don't think he played a
Speaker 3: great game, but didn't play poorly. Shanahan, I think got
Speaker 3: out coached in a huge stage. And when we talk
Speaker 3: about him quote unquote not being able to get over
Speaker 3: the hump and choking like this is more like digging
Speaker 3: into it a little further, is how is he getting
Speaker 3: beaten these giant games?
Speaker 2: Well, you got out coached in that place.
Speaker 6: It's when we go in critique, like Bengals teams under
Speaker 6: Zach Taylor of old were like they couldn't adjust the
Speaker 6: offensive line in game and Burrow's getting killed. It's like
Speaker 6: Brock Perdy, like, actually, we didn't blame him after the show,
Speaker 6: and we shouldn't. Like he faced a ton of like
Speaker 6: just pressure where no one was unblocked, like pass rushers
Speaker 6: coming right, there were nine.
Speaker 3: He had a game, Chris Jones, Johnny Rush so that
Speaker 3: on that third down that right.
Speaker 5: It's funny though, how Super Bowl sometimes get decided a
Speaker 5: little bit. John Feliciano, he's not like a great player,
Speaker 5: got hurt in the first half of that game. He
Speaker 5: was replaced by Spencer Burford, who after the game had
Speaker 5: to own up on Monday to being the guy who
Speaker 5: blew that protection only because his own teammate Feliciano, who
Speaker 5: had gotten hurt, came to the right Tackles defense on
Speaker 5: Twitter saying like, that's not Colton mckivitz's fault. Stop blaming him.
Speaker 5: And everyone's like, oh wait, you're blaming the other guy.
Speaker 5: And so they had to like talk it out and stuff,
Speaker 5: and this is this is what happens when you lose
Speaker 5: Super Bowls, it's a lot of blame.
Speaker 4: I just like McCall harbon is just stuck in my
Speaker 4: head because it happened in the end zone that was
Speaker 4: like right in front of us where we were standing.
Speaker 4: And then Rick Berkholder, their head trainer the Chiefs, like
Speaker 4: ran over to me on the field because I used
Speaker 4: to work with him when I was in Philly, and
Speaker 4: he's like grabbed me and was like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: Michael Hardman, look up how many catches he had in
Speaker 4: this game.
Speaker 7: It was only like two or three and that was
Speaker 7: the one that won it for us.
Speaker 4: And then just like ran off like it was like
Speaker 4: a fever dream of sorts.
Speaker 2: He didn't say like, how have you, how are you doing?
Speaker 2: How things been for you?
Speaker 7: He was like, go talk to go find.
Speaker 3: Him anything else game wise, pigways, And we should mention.
Speaker 2: So we haven't mentioned yet.
Speaker 3: There's the parade that happened in Kansas City after the
Speaker 3: Super Bowl was marred by an active senseless violence, a
Speaker 3: shooting where over twenty people were shot. A person was killed.
Speaker 3: All the other people who were injured have been released
Speaker 3: from the hospital, which is great news. And you know,
Speaker 3: I don't have to say much of this. I don't
Speaker 3: know what you guys say other than this stuff sucks,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't surprise me anymore in this country. And
Speaker 3: it's sad gun violence and these type of mass shootings
Speaker 3: continue to happen. But once, I guess I do want
Speaker 3: to say something that what happened in Sandy Hook Elementary
Speaker 3: School in twenty twelve when a room full of first
Speaker 3: graders were murdered with an AR fifteen and our political
Speaker 3: system couldn't get on the same page to do anything
Speaker 3: about that, And we've had hundreds and hundreds of people
Speaker 3: murdered since and these type of acts. I just have
Speaker 3: no faith in our country and our system to stop
Speaker 3: these things from happening.
Speaker 2: And it just sucks.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like half the wounded we're under age sixteen. I
Speaker 6: mean that stands out because I think this is meant
Speaker 6: to be in you know, Kansas City's had a bunch
Speaker 6: of these, but it's still special event for your fan base,
Speaker 6: many who can't afford to go to games. It's like
Speaker 6: they were the players, and like there was a report
Speaker 6: that like Andy Reid was actually like helping children that
Speaker 6: have been separated from their parents and stuff. It's like
Speaker 6: they were integrated with the crowd in a big way,
Speaker 6: and it's like, this is what you have to worry
Speaker 6: about happening. And like we you know, we have kids,
Speaker 6: and it's like thirty years ago this wouldn't be on
Speaker 6: a parent's mind. But now it's like I'm sending my
Speaker 6: kids to school in a you know, a city scape
Speaker 6: of some to some degree, and I don't know if
Speaker 6: it's safe at all, and it's like nothing, there's nothing,
Speaker 6: I don't there's all this half the country saying well,
Speaker 6: these are things we want, these weapons for protection, all
Speaker 6: this stuff.
Speaker 2: Enough with that nonsense.
Speaker 6: Stop taking like money from the National Rifle Association politicians,
Speaker 6: and like do something about it. Like at what point,
Speaker 6: because I think you're right, it's like it's a news
Speaker 6: story then like if it you know, when when the
Speaker 6: first time it happens, like when it's Columbine, like the
Speaker 6: nation is stunned, and it's like a two year, three
Speaker 6: year long story. Now it happens and it's in it's
Speaker 6: gone off the news cycle in two days because we're
Speaker 6: surprised by it.
Speaker 2: No, and.
Speaker 5: We try to like we want to focus on the positive,
Speaker 5: and you focus on the heroism of the day, and
Speaker 5: you do respect that to the end degree, and how
Speaker 5: the chiefs have reacted and how everyone in that city reacted,
Speaker 5: and yet it's like, not the it's the least surprising
Speaker 5: thing ever. And so when we're talking about like American
Speaker 5: exceptionalism or worse, it's like, this doesn't happen anywhere else.
Speaker 2: This is just us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's it's awful. There's nothing else to
Speaker 4: even add to it. Just the fact that there were
Speaker 4: so many kids that were harmed, and the nurses from
Speaker 4: the hospitals that were treating them talked about just the
Speaker 4: fear that was in their faces when they got to
Speaker 4: the hospital, and just how heartbreaking that is that you
Speaker 4: go to celebrate a Super Bowl win at a parade,
Speaker 4: which should be the most exciting and fun thing to
Speaker 4: do as a parent with your kids, with your friends,
Speaker 4: for your entire city, for your team, and then to
Speaker 4: end up at a hospital and be that scared and
Speaker 4: have that trauma happened, Because that is not something that
Speaker 4: leaves you for a very, very very long time.
Speaker 3: And shout out to Patrick Mahomes and his wife, and
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey and everyone else who you
Speaker 3: know gave money to try to support the victims and.
Speaker 4: The people that tackled the others too, the fans that
Speaker 4: just like went ahead and put their lives on the
Speaker 4: line too.
Speaker 3: All right, let's take a break and when we come back,
Speaker 3: it's dig into those off season storylines to come.
Speaker 2: All right, Okay, welcome back, Big Beefy Show. We were
Speaker 2: away for over a.
Speaker 5: Week and we couldn't couldn't help to get out in
Speaker 5: front of.
Speaker 3: The bike and talk tutes ago. So the honking, it's
Speaker 3: been heavy honking, but I think it's been a nice
Speaker 3: ep so far. Absolutely, I got nowhere to be really,
Speaker 3: I mean I do, but well.
Speaker 2: We're here, not right.
Speaker 7: I have a to day with Cynthia.
Speaker 3: Okay, and quite frankly, I'm a little afraid to step
Speaker 3: outside the studio at one false step the temple of
Speaker 3: doom that we now have it here, so hopefully we'll
Speaker 3: be safe in our ways back to our car anyway,
Speaker 3: before we do that. It is the twenty twenty four offseason.
Speaker 3: Officially we have free agents. In fact, announcement Horn, you
Speaker 3: know that old announcement, Horn, I don't like that one.
Speaker 1: I like this.
Speaker 3: It bills anticipation about stuff. Greg's free agent one oh
Speaker 3: one list is dropping later this week and on Thursday
Speaker 3: or something close.
Speaker 5: Enough, Monday, Monday. It's due this week.
Speaker 2: It's due. Yeah, they got to edit it for the
Speaker 2: old edit at the end of the week.
Speaker 3: But on Thursday we will be talking about it and
Speaker 3: Mark it just did dawn on me and we probably
Speaker 3: play a little catchup.
Speaker 2: But I don't doubt our ability.
Speaker 3: Do we want to roll out maybe a free agency
Speaker 3: one o two this year?
Speaker 6: Well, you had talked about, you know, on our last
Speaker 6: show or a couple of shows, that you wanted to
Speaker 6: maybe take the job from Greg.
Speaker 3: And outright say I've abandoned that plan. I enjoyed my
Speaker 3: days offen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he announced that would have to happen during your vacation. Yes,
Speaker 6: I think that we you know, we've customarily come come
Speaker 6: up with our own list, and I think we were
Speaker 6: cap Maybe we just go we don't gone necessarily, we
Speaker 6: go we go eleven, go two hundred, three hundred deep
Speaker 6: if we need Oh, you want to go out, I
Speaker 6: mean like kind of be like then the viewer who's
Speaker 6: new to the exercises, like, wait a minute, those guys
Speaker 6: worked harder than that guy.
Speaker 2: How many free agents are there but I know.
Speaker 6: But after, but after you get to like like two hundred,
Speaker 6: three hundreds of random name generator.
Speaker 2: How many like eleven? How many?
Speaker 3: How many like a dues paying union members connected to
Speaker 3: the Good Players Association are eligible for free agency? Because
Speaker 3: I'm saying, we just get the whole ran, the whole
Speaker 3: right list, right, we'll do We'll do twelve hundred. It's
Speaker 3: that many. I know it's not that many, but if
Speaker 3: it is, let's find out. Eric, once we get that
Speaker 3: footage from upstairs, can we find out how many free
Speaker 3: agents are there? Or maybe put in a big funk
Speaker 3: on that one, probably like gotta be what three to
Speaker 3: five hundred?
Speaker 5: I have no idea though big funking his girlfriend.
Speaker 2: I'm not coming home today.
Speaker 7: Sessler's list will be three to five.
Speaker 6: Hundred, then well, Sessler, and like Dan Ran and Market,
Speaker 6: I felt better about the eleven, but.
Speaker 2: I think it sets. It sets the barn and I
Speaker 2: like your ambition.
Speaker 3: It blinds me with the greatness of it and the lofty,
Speaker 3: the loftiness of it.
Speaker 2: So let's do it. So the free agency three oh one,
Speaker 2: let's do that.
Speaker 3: Mark and Dan dropping at some point We're gonna at
Speaker 3: some point sneak attack on the old rosendog here. But
Speaker 3: Gregg's one on one is coming next week on dot com.
Speaker 3: But we're gonna talk about it. Uh so you have
Speaker 3: free agency that's coming. Of course, the draft is coming,
Speaker 3: you know, like move the sticks guy, he's already up
Speaker 3: to mock two point zero.
Speaker 7: Oh, Mike, all ready.
Speaker 3: So with that, with that in mind, let's let's get
Speaker 3: into it. And Colleen, do you want to get us going?
Speaker 3: How strong do you about? How Jeremiah?
Speaker 2: I feel great.
Speaker 7: I feel great.
Speaker 2: It feels like I can't miss.
Speaker 7: This is very easy.
Speaker 4: Although last night it was sexiest storylines and then this
Speaker 4: morning it was huge storylines, but that's okay. Storylines are
Speaker 4: storylines and it's the same thing.
Speaker 3: So nice try though that I did not give you
Speaker 3: a mixed cross signals.
Speaker 2: No, he's sexy, huge story right right.
Speaker 4: So I feel like the number one thing for me
Speaker 4: is where does Kirk Cousins land, Because for the quarterback,
Speaker 4: the quarterbacks in general, like between him and Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 4: I need to know what happens. But with Kirk Cousins,
Speaker 4: he's obviously he's going to be thirty six this summer.
Speaker 4: He's coming off the torn Achilles, but he did say
Speaker 4: he didn't say he would take a hometown discount, but
Speaker 4: he said that he's not worried about the money at
Speaker 4: the stage of his career. Mark how you were talking
Speaker 4: about earlier, maybe money is in every thing for Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3: He was on our show too last at Radio Row
Speaker 3: and he made it very clear like he is all
Speaker 3: about testing that market too. Kirk knows how to get paid,
Speaker 3: So I don't know if I buy into like that
Speaker 3: he likes the money.
Speaker 4: But okay, so Justin Jefferson said he's not signing a
Speaker 4: new deal until he knows that Cousins is coming back art,
Speaker 4: so he's got that leverage going for him. And then
Speaker 4: Quincy Adonna Mensa their GM expressed his desire to keep
Speaker 4: Cousins and he had already redone whatever the extension was before,
Speaker 4: So it's not like those two are completely disconnected. They
Speaker 4: already have they've already worked on a deal together before.
Speaker 7: So that makes me think that he could potentially be back.
Speaker 7: But I mean, it's been a while.
Speaker 4: Since he tested free agency and we know what happened
Speaker 4: when he did.
Speaker 3: Yes, So there's reporting out there. I think PFT reported
Speaker 3: that the Vikings aren't necessarily willing to give him an
Speaker 3: all guaranteed contract. Our own Pell Raiser reported that the
Speaker 3: Vikings want Cousins back, but this is interesting. Could go
Speaker 3: after a cheaper veteran like Sam Darnald if Cousins is
Speaker 3: too expensive, hoping the veteran referring to Sam Donald would
Speaker 3: be quote this year's Baker Mayfield while also buying time
Speaker 3: to develop a rookie.
Speaker 2: So you have your players.
Speaker 6: Sam Donald Baker Mayfield. Argument to Bed, You're just trying
Speaker 6: to get him to be Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 2: At this point. Well, so here we so they believe
Speaker 2: a good point.
Speaker 3: Well, the point being is that up people see Sam
Speaker 3: still as give him an actual chance, and he could
Speaker 3: do what Baker did last year. That's that's more buying
Speaker 3: into the old Zeusser's point that Donald has a market
Speaker 3: because people see a playmaker.
Speaker 2: Still, that's beside the point.
Speaker 7: Back to you, Sam Donald, Yes, back to.
Speaker 2: You, Colleen.
Speaker 3: So the Vikings want him back, but they want to
Speaker 3: do it their way, and if he does end up
Speaker 3: hitting the open market, it is like Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 3: the big off season quarterback story. Cousins could help a
Speaker 3: lot of teams in a profound way, very big one.
Speaker 7: But how will he even be coming off that Achilles
Speaker 7: at his age?
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 2: I too?
Speaker 5: I he is such an interesting case. I thought when
Speaker 5: he became a free agent last time, like he was
Speaker 5: going to do better than people thought, and he did,
Speaker 5: ultimately getting the fully guaranteed contract from the Vikings. This time,
Speaker 5: I'm not totally sure, cause he's coming off in an
Speaker 5: Achilles and you just go through the teams that would
Speaker 5: give him like forty fifty million dollars a year. Will
Speaker 5: the Vikings I'm not totally sure that the Vikings will,
Speaker 5: Like I'm sure they would have him back, but I
Speaker 5: think they might be thinking, we got to pay justin Jefferson.
Speaker 5: We need to start over at quarterback at some point.
Speaker 5: Maybe this is that point? Would it be Denver that
Speaker 5: to me is the team that is most desperate and
Speaker 5: almost plug and play in terms of their coach, and
Speaker 5: that Kirk Cousins would make sense there. That's one team.
Speaker 5: But after you get past that, it's like the Raiders,
Speaker 5: you maybe like Falcons, maybe like there's no one that
Speaker 5: just you look at and you say, they'll definitely give
Speaker 5: up forty.
Speaker 7: Fifty And then the Steelers come in right.
Speaker 2: I don't think the Steelers are out there, ain't anyone.
Speaker 3: Oh let let um, let me out of the closets.
Speaker 2: That would be a good match.
Speaker 6: The one thing like Sean Payton during the Superowl week,
Speaker 6: like went out of his way to talk up Bager
Speaker 6: Mayfield a ton too, like I would just I think
Speaker 6: that bigger And that's a whole different conversation. But it's
Speaker 6: like he's I think he's gonna go after a veteran
Speaker 6: if they don't want to trade up to try to get.
Speaker 5: It's just not that many teams because you know the
Speaker 5: number one overall pick that takes U the Bears out
Speaker 5: of the mix. Basically you figure Washington's probably out of
Speaker 5: the mix, although you never know, in a in a
Speaker 5: weird world, they could decide to trade that pick. You know,
Speaker 5: the Patriots, they're a little like that's taking some there's
Speaker 5: only so many spots here.
Speaker 2: The forty nine Ers, I don't think they would do that.
Speaker 2: Oh that would be.
Speaker 6: That is such an a note that that keeps coming
Speaker 6: back over and over the hand.
Speaker 2: Kirk Cussling's that would be.
Speaker 5: Because if it was any other year in the Shanahan era,
Speaker 5: I think it would have happened, but this year won't happen.
Speaker 2: I'm with you, all right.
Speaker 3: So Cousins atop the quarterback discussion list, right next to him,
Speaker 3: I would say, is justin Fields. That is another huge
Speaker 3: storyline right here. The Chicago Bears, of course have the
Speaker 3: number one pick thanks to the Panthers and the trade
Speaker 3: that they made. And this one's interesting because well I
Speaker 3: mentioned move the sticks.
Speaker 2: He says in his latest mock.
Speaker 3: He's got Caleb Williams, the USC Star going to the Bears.
Speaker 2: That's an option that they have at number one. They
Speaker 2: have a bunch of options.
Speaker 3: Another option is that they keep justin Fields and either
Speaker 3: use the number one overall pick or on something else
Speaker 3: or maybe even a quarterback, or trade that number one
Speaker 3: pick down, or maybe you keep justin Fields and you
Speaker 3: trade that pick and they take a quarterback later. They
Speaker 3: have so many choices, or not take a quarterback at all.
Speaker 3: This I will tell you though. Here's reporting. Good job
Speaker 3: by Jenna Lemonchelley of The New York Post. Notice that
Speaker 3: Justin Fields no longer follows the Bears on Instagram.
Speaker 2: Alert. I'm not doing that rupe alert. I mean not
Speaker 2: doing what he did it. I know it just it's like, now.
Speaker 4: Would you guys unfollow NFL media, like during your negotiations.
Speaker 7: My contract's coming up, So I'm just wondering would.
Speaker 2: They even notice? I would do it?
Speaker 5: If right, who's tracking? It's just a sad jenn.
Speaker 2: In this case, we're tracking there on the Lemon Shelley Beach.
Speaker 2: He might report like, we also have a contract come out.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I am following it. Let's
Speaker 2: let's maybe try it. You know that's fair. I'll do
Speaker 2: it at once.
Speaker 3: Anyway, And that is a famous trouble alert now with
Speaker 3: players that are unhappy for whatever reason, unfollowing the team
Speaker 3: that they're on.
Speaker 2: I thought it was notable at the very least.
Speaker 3: That means he's just kind of annoyed that most likely
Speaker 3: he hasn't been given a firm answer one way or
Speaker 3: the other. There's also you could look it is maybe
Speaker 3: he was told that this is they're going in a
Speaker 3: direction that involves Kate Williams or whoever else, and he's
Speaker 3: already now looking forward and he's like, I'm done with
Speaker 3: the Bears.
Speaker 2: They told me they're done with me. Anyway.
Speaker 3: There is so much intrigue around this, and it has
Speaker 3: such a big butterfly effect, Gregy. Whatever the Bears decide,
Speaker 3: because not only if they their decision changes the trajectory
Speaker 3: of their franchise, it also if Fields does end up
Speaker 3: hitting the trade market, that changes the draft for whatever
Speaker 3: team ends up going for him.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's very it's a big story.
Speaker 5: He's a very unique player to be available in a trade.
Speaker 5: I can't think of many that are quite like him,
Speaker 5: that are young, promising, have a lot of tape. You
Speaker 5: can look at it a few different ways. He's not
Speaker 5: like a Kevin Cobb or a Jimmy g or these
Speaker 5: guys who tend to get some pop in the trade
Speaker 5: market at quarterback that you saw him for like five games,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, and they'd end up getting
Speaker 5: a nice draft picks for him, but they're just like
Speaker 5: more promised than ever, like someone you actually this is
Speaker 5: a top pick who's shown a lot and it's pretty good.
Speaker 5: I think is at the Dalton line or above it
Speaker 5: or right around it at this point, but certainly has
Speaker 5: potential to be has done a lot of good things.
Speaker 5: Guys like that just don't become available very often. So
Speaker 5: I think he's a fascinating case. I've never believed that
Speaker 5: this was a decision I didn't think he had. I
Speaker 5: don't think he had any chance of staying. I don't
Speaker 5: think he has any chance of staying.
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm sure they.
Speaker 5: Would, like like they go through the process of thinking
Speaker 5: about it or whatever. But I've never thought he had
Speaker 5: a realistic chance at staying because there are great quarterbacks
Speaker 5: in this class, and there's why would you keep Justin
Speaker 5: Fields over that?
Speaker 3: So at college quarterbacks in this class. That's part of this, Like,
Speaker 3: you don't know, I get it, but I just don't
Speaker 3: think they would look at it like that.
Speaker 5: I think they would look at it like we've seen
Speaker 5: him for this long and we're not totally sure.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying they're not.
Speaker 3: Whoever it is is not a guarantee either, just like
Speaker 3: Fields wasn't a guarantee.
Speaker 2: It's not.
Speaker 3: Of course, it's not like Kirk Cousins or Justin but
Speaker 3: he he can drafted Justin Fields highly.
Speaker 5: Right, but here we are so not nearly as highly.
Speaker 5: He's not even in the same ballpark that Kayla Williams
Speaker 5: or Drake May we're coming out of college, or maybe
Speaker 5: even Jaden Daniels. So I do think that that the
Speaker 5: players himself mattered, But I think he's going to have
Speaker 5: a bigger trade market than people think.
Speaker 2: Well, I think.
Speaker 6: I think people with you because I think his gifts,
Speaker 6: especially when you talk to like defensive coaches, they are
Speaker 6: all in on like the mobility of a quarterback. And
Speaker 6: I think he's just that dangerous. And I think you
Speaker 6: could look at the Bears and say, nice end of
Speaker 6: your season, like we've seen growth in Justin Fields, but
Speaker 6: we don't really trust that you know how to maximize
Speaker 6: the quarterback.
Speaker 2: We do.
Speaker 6: We're gonna take a chance on this guy, and I
Speaker 6: don't know what you'd get for him in terms of
Speaker 6: a trade.
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
Speaker 5: I've I talked with people about this and it was like, well,
Speaker 5: if it's a third, sure, I don't know if I
Speaker 5: want to give up a second. I'm like, Justin Field
Speaker 5: is a pretty good option for Atlanta, for the Raiders,
Speaker 5: who have his offensive coordinator from a year ago, for
Speaker 5: maybe the Vikings, maybe the Bucks, maybe the Patriots, like
Speaker 5: he's a pretty big upgrade. I think they're getting like
Speaker 5: a second plus. Maybe I got a com for you.
Speaker 3: Met We mentioned Darnold when he was traded from the
Speaker 3: Jets to the Panthers. He was a former number three
Speaker 3: overall pick. The Jets got back a twenty twenty one
Speaker 3: sixth rounder and a second and a fourth round, and.
Speaker 2: He's stuck with the Jets.
Speaker 3: Well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: That's other teams thinking we can make we can do by.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, people do that. I think that's a
Speaker 3: baseline what fields could command. Could he get a late
Speaker 3: first round pick? Maybe I don't.
Speaker 5: Here's I don't think that's a crazy thing to do.
Speaker 3: One other thing that complicates this And why I know
Speaker 3: you you're you're certain of it, Greg, And I think
Speaker 3: the way it's trending is he's probably starting over somewhere else.
Speaker 3: I thought he was pretty good last year. I thought
Speaker 3: he really showed growth last year. I think the locker
Speaker 3: room loved him. You heard that constantly. Everybody wants him back.
Speaker 3: They gave him a number one receiver and DJ Moore
Speaker 3: and more played like an All Pro last year. Like
Speaker 3: I thought, it makes it more difficult in terms of
Speaker 3: a decision, because I think he did show again he
Speaker 3: gave you it's tantalizing.
Speaker 4: Helps his value, but also from a financial standpoint, they're
Speaker 4: gonna want to restart on a rookie contract so they
Speaker 4: can continue to reach I get.
Speaker 3: That that's part of Yeah, that's a good point because
Speaker 3: that's part of the business model with these teams, and
Speaker 3: they treasure that. But man A Fields goes to the
Speaker 3: Giants and becomes a superstar. The Bears are going to
Speaker 3: be happy if their guy is a stud. But it's
Speaker 3: a big risk. He's shown enough where it could really backfire,
Speaker 3: and they moved him. And that's what makes it a
Speaker 3: really fun interesting storyline.
Speaker 2: Gregory, how about you?
Speaker 5: Okay, I am I overarching one. As will any big
Speaker 5: name wide receivers get traded? And you know who will
Speaker 5: it be? And we've seen it happen enough that, like
Speaker 5: I now believe, oh well, this is one of the
Speaker 5: things that you can either expect or as possible. And
Speaker 5: well this offseason there was some buzz I think last
Speaker 5: week floating around about Justin Jefferson. I don't think they
Speaker 5: would ever trade him, but I think him throwing these
Speaker 5: flares up and the amount of money he's gonna cost, like,
Speaker 5: I think teams will maybe try to sniff around him.
Speaker 2: Did he get to Minnesota?
Speaker 3: Greg Right, Stefan Diggs brought it out and they did
Speaker 3: the trade for the number one, but.
Speaker 2: Another name I think that fits in.
Speaker 5: So there's this group. Jefferson is the least likely, but
Speaker 5: you know it's a G.
Speaker 2: Brown.
Speaker 5: I never would have thought a Brown would have got traded.
Speaker 5: Diggs is another one. Uh, Brandon Ayuk. There there's you
Speaker 5: know he wants more money.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: DeVante Adams I think is gonna stay at this point
Speaker 5: because it doesn't financially it hurts them to trade.
Speaker 2: It right anywhere.
Speaker 5: So he's another one and I would just throw it
Speaker 5: is Tyreek Hill, like the craziest person ever. Again, these
Speaker 5: guys bring back such a huge draft haul and they
Speaker 5: cost so much money. Just like which if any of
Speaker 5: these guys gets dealt, and the way that Ayuk is
Speaker 5: putting it out there, and it's the same way that
Speaker 5: it's like he went. He tries to get the contract
Speaker 5: he wanted, Like he tries to find out, you know,
Speaker 5: from other teams what they would pay him, and then
Speaker 5: they can start making it uncomfortable on the forty nine
Speaker 5: ers if the forty nine ers aren't ready to pay him.
Speaker 2: Thirty four minute I had I had specifically.
Speaker 6: Stephan Diggs because I think the bills are like one,
Speaker 6: like because they were wiped out like a month ago.
Speaker 6: At this point, you kind of forget how dark that
Speaker 6: season ended, and like where that team kind of sits,
Speaker 6: And like Gabe Davis has been verbal about the fact
Speaker 6: that he wants to test free agency. He could be gone.
Speaker 6: He could get much more money than the Lels want
Speaker 6: to pay him. Stephan Diggs ever requested a trade, you
Speaker 6: are left. I already thought this was a team that
Speaker 6: was missing an element for Josh Allen in the offense.
Speaker 6: They seem like one guy short in a number of games,
Speaker 6: and suddenly they could look completely different on offense if
Speaker 6: these chips fall in a certain way where you lose
Speaker 6: your kind of you you're dumb one guy. But then
Speaker 6: game also has these games where explodes out of Note.
Speaker 3: The reason why they felt a player short this year
Speaker 3: is because Stephan Diggs wasn't Stephan Diggs anymore last year. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was that makes as you're saying, was that one
Speaker 3: of your storylines? Because like, what is Diggs's market coming
Speaker 3: off the year he just came off and he's another
Speaker 3: year old.
Speaker 2: I think he get paid though for just like I
Speaker 2: don't know, do you think he's.
Speaker 3: Falling off I mean, what's his contract. He's under contract,
Speaker 3: So like, like, what would a team give up if
Speaker 3: he were put on the market as one of those
Speaker 3: players you're referring to, Greg.
Speaker 2: Not as much? Uh? Would you?
Speaker 5: Could you get a first round pick still for Stefan Diggs? Also,
Speaker 5: the I personally think that's not crazy. Again, I look
Speaker 5: at it like the Rams, I would not. What if
Speaker 5: your round picks equal twenty to thirty for the moon Years.
Speaker 6: Number thirty two, Right, that's that's not a first round
Speaker 6: The Chiefs can like, that's better than anything they're going to.
Speaker 2: Get every year. Patrick Mahomes another.
Speaker 3: In general though, also like you mentioning Jeremiah again, so
Speaker 3: you know, it just shows wow, the level of we're
Speaker 3: of all charity. Yeah, like the Patriots have the more
Speaker 3: offensive Patriots. He has Marvin Harrison Junior going there, and
Speaker 3: if Harrison is as good as everyone says, yeah, you
Speaker 3: got to use a premium pick on a wide receiver.
Speaker 3: But you also these drafts keep churning out big time
Speaker 3: players that wide receiver first round, second, third round, fourth round.
Speaker 3: Do you really want to give up a top tier
Speaker 3: asset for an expensive veteran wide receiver. It might be
Speaker 3: a pain in the ass to use Diggs as a
Speaker 3: reference there, like where you could if you trust your
Speaker 3: scouting people, you could probably find someone at a much
Speaker 3: lesser draft value that will as a young, up and
Speaker 3: coming contract controllable player.
Speaker 2: Like it's this sised to.
Speaker 5: Be an incredibly good wide receiver class. I think Dane
Speaker 5: Brugler of the Athletic had like seventeen in his top
Speaker 5: one hundred.
Speaker 2: Wide receiver classes are just going to get better.
Speaker 5: Malik Neighbors and Rome Dunze like those are top seven,
Speaker 5: like three receivers are probably going in the top seven
Speaker 5: or eight pick. So that does that does throw a
Speaker 5: little bit of a wrench into this. But I wanted
Speaker 5: to throw that out there because I don't know what
Speaker 5: the name's gonna be, and yet I feel like someone's
Speaker 5: got someone weird is gonna shake loose that we end
Speaker 5: up talking a lot about in March.
Speaker 3: And Aaron Rodgers runs the Jets, and if he tells
Speaker 3: Jode and Woody to pick up the phone and call
Speaker 3: the Raiders, I still want to be stunned if Adams
Speaker 3: ends up there, just because Rogers has that much power
Speaker 3: to say, get it done now with the Raiders.
Speaker 2: If they want to answer the phone.
Speaker 5: That's another conversation, right, And if Ayuquant's thirty million a
Speaker 5: year and they can get a monster deal back for him,
Speaker 5: like do they make a decision of him under Ebo
Speaker 5: and all that stuff go ahead?
Speaker 2: Mark, what do you got?
Speaker 6: It kind of segues into my one because I obviously,
Speaker 6: like the ones that you mentioned are all obvious ones too.
Speaker 6: But there are a couple teams that just ended the
Speaker 6: season in chaotic corners where it's like you're kind of
Speaker 6: everything that you thought about them has changed, and I
Speaker 6: would list like and I think this is the off
Speaker 6: season could change everything you think about even a junk team.
Speaker 6: So there are these teams that are like came into
Speaker 6: last seas and with a ton of hope, and like
Speaker 6: the Eagles, for instance, like where are we going to
Speaker 6: be after the free agent and draft process with two
Speaker 6: new two new coordinators? Again, like do we feel differently
Speaker 6: about them? Do they reset the board? Because right now
Speaker 6: it feels like the energy around the Eagles and they
Speaker 6: you know, for years it's like Howie Roseman and the
Speaker 6: whole organization is just top class and they're they keep
Speaker 6: they could keep over achieving.
Speaker 2: There was like the time, I'm not.
Speaker 6: I'm more saying of late though, they're like the smartest
Speaker 6: team around. They're drafting the player that no one else
Speaker 6: can can develop, and like we're in a weird place
Speaker 6: with them. We're in a weird place with the Cowboys,
Speaker 6: Like can the Cowboys like actually get us hopeful and
Speaker 6: excited about their season again versus just the monik around them?
Speaker 6: And I throw the Jets in there because it's like
Speaker 6: the Jets are fundamentally no different than the team that
Speaker 6: we were talking about as potential AFC Super Bowl team.
Speaker 6: And they've got another draft, and they've got they've got
Speaker 6: another round of free agency, but there's this feeling like
Speaker 6: you just mentioned that they're controlled by their quarterback, which
Speaker 6: is like about as unhealthy as it gets. That you
Speaker 6: kept an offensive coordinator that showed no acumen to run
Speaker 6: an offense that your head coach seemed to go from
Speaker 6: alpha male to I'm not sure this guy even knows
Speaker 6: what he's doing at this point.
Speaker 2: And it all feels like those three teams.
Speaker 6: But there's others I throw in there that are mysterious,
Speaker 6: like a Harbaugh Greg Roman offense with Justin Herbert, Like
Speaker 6: I can't wait to see what pieces they add to
Speaker 6: that and what that offense looks like a couple months now.
Speaker 2: But like these teams that are like in a.
Speaker 6: Dark spot, will it get any better or is it
Speaker 6: just gonna crescendo even worse into.
Speaker 3: Ugly terry team ors that had either ugly seasons last
Speaker 3: year or disappointing ends what they do.
Speaker 4: That's interesting that you mentioned the Cowboys too, because I
Speaker 4: think about Dak Prescott and his absolutely insane cap hit
Speaker 4: that's coming up this year. He goes from his cap
Speaker 4: number is fifty nine point four million dollars and like
Speaker 4: the highest cap hit this past season was Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 4: at thirty seven. But like the way that Dak's deal
Speaker 4: is done, Like remember how difficult it was to get
Speaker 4: his deal done last time and all of the negotiations
Speaker 4: that went into it. He has one year left, he
Speaker 4: has a no trade clause, he has all sorts of
Speaker 4: clauses in there. He can't be tagged like he can
Speaker 4: get honestly anything.
Speaker 3: So I think of the things that I'm most certain
Speaker 3: about this offseason, yeah, is Jarah and Dak doing business together?
Speaker 3: Because yeah, I have to know, like we might start
Speaker 3: to have doubts about Dak's ability to really lead a
Speaker 3: team all the way. But I don't think Jarah has
Speaker 3: any doubts. He'd fire everybody else before Dak.
Speaker 2: In my opinion.
Speaker 3: So yeah, they kind of have to they will, and
Speaker 3: they've got a lot going on in.
Speaker 5: Terms of cap issues. Tyron Smith void deal just foided.
Speaker 5: He played at a high level there. The Eagles to me,
Speaker 5: are the team though that I expect will look very
Speaker 5: different a month from now, whereas the Cowboys I think
Speaker 5: are just they're kind of locked in. They're gonna add
Speaker 5: some they'll they'll do things on the edges. They've got
Speaker 5: some important players coming up. Whereas the Eagles, you know,
Speaker 5: there was that report that Hassan Redick might be traded,
Speaker 5: but they have all their older guys are kind of
Speaker 5: up for I don't know what they're gonna do. But
Speaker 5: like when I'm talking about these receivers, could a J.
Speaker 5: Brown be that person that gets traded again? Like I
Speaker 5: doubt it, But they're just the team that, like, I
Speaker 5: don't know what they're gonna do, but they're gonna do something.
Speaker 3: They're gonna do a lot. I thought you were gonna
Speaker 3: bring up a J. Brown is the famous trade from
Speaker 3: the Titans. But he was by all outside reporting and
Speaker 3: stuff coming an unhappy camper there. And they're trying, I
Speaker 3: would imagine after the last year ended, Connie, they're trying
Speaker 3: to change the culture, freshen things up a little bit,
Speaker 3: put a new code.
Speaker 2: Of paint on.
Speaker 7: I think they need more than that.
Speaker 5: Or Smith like he would you know, the Slim Reaper.
Speaker 5: People would love a little divide mark.
Speaker 3: The Slim Reaper didn't just change the culture like in
Speaker 3: three weeks.
Speaker 7: Like, no, I didn't even know what that means.
Speaker 2: Trades.
Speaker 3: Some of the guys that are they believe are contributing
Speaker 3: to a bad locker room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, how many games ended with a J. Brown? Like,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 5: Know what I still go back to my like, no
Speaker 5: one knows, no one knows what happens.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're right right, things just happened. That show seems
Speaker 2: to be well beloved.
Speaker 7: We love Abbit Elementary.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, we're having two different conversation.
Speaker 3: Sorry, sorry, how long this has been. I would love
Speaker 3: to put a moratorium. And everyone's stressing about how long
Speaker 3: our podcast is.
Speaker 2: I didn't say anything.
Speaker 3: It's if the conversation is good and it's fine.
Speaker 4: All right, well, then in that case, Bill Belichick and
Speaker 4: Tom Brady two more people to throw in the season story.
Speaker 2: Tom Brady actually announced the game.
Speaker 5: Also, we only have two shows this week, so we're
Speaker 5: giving the people, you know, little housekeeping. We're going to
Speaker 5: be Tuesday Thursday this week, so you know, it's less than.
Speaker 3: We want to come to us and tell us the
Speaker 3: podcast is too long. Then we'll have to maybe start talking.
Speaker 3: I haven't heard anyone people like you change the show.
Speaker 3: If like a rando from like no, if there was
Speaker 3: some type of deep call with people saying our show
Speaker 3: is too long, there's too much honking, we would it
Speaker 3: would make sense to have an internal conversation.
Speaker 2: It was hurting our data points, right, I don't sense that.
Speaker 2: Stop stressing about it. I think I'm just I think
Speaker 2: it's more concernable.
Speaker 6: That's different when you tell HU you have nowhere to be,
Speaker 6: then it's like, then there's no railings on what could
Speaker 6: happen where you got to go?
Speaker 2: I got all sorts of places to be. This is
Speaker 2: the only safe place. No, it's not.
Speaker 7: It's Noah's Ark, it's Wes's Ark.
Speaker 3: Well, people eventually got off nos Ark. It didn't just
Speaker 3: die on the ship and it's sunk. They got off
Speaker 3: the ship and started a new civilization according to the theories,
Speaker 3: according to the theories, like, I'm not you know.
Speaker 7: David for the theology.
Speaker 3: Anything anything in terms of footage from the newsroom about
Speaker 3: the missing Super Bowl ticket.
Speaker 2: Nothing at the moment.
Speaker 8: I've heard that the water leaking from the ceiling may
Speaker 8: have flowed the process.
Speaker 2: I since you are very earnestly investigating that.
Speaker 5: I'm digging through emails a big funk.
Speaker 3: Any updates on how many free agents will be on
Speaker 3: marketized right up? Which I'm saying one hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: words each on the blurbs. Oh, at least we'll just
Speaker 3: split it up, teck Connie in there a little bit, sure,
Speaker 3: get Connie ou about one hundred blurbs.
Speaker 13: After extensive research, I've realized I'm not that good at math,
Speaker 13: and so it's gonna take me a little while longer.
Speaker 13: I'd say upwards to three hundred plus free agents. I've
Speaker 13: seen like five lists that are like top two hundred
Speaker 13: free agents.
Speaker 5: That doesn't help you. You need to find out all
Speaker 5: of them.
Speaker 2: That doesn't scare us. They're picking and choosing, all right, bunk,
Speaker 2: Are you around on Thursday.
Speaker 3: I am all right, we have to have a conversation,
Speaker 3: but all conversations can only be had on microphone, So
Speaker 3: until then, naturally we say goodbye. We say goodbye to
Speaker 3: the audience.
Speaker 7: We didn't even get to hear about the week together.
Speaker 7: Maybe next Thursday.
Speaker 3: Come back Thursday, big, big funk conversation. Also Greg and
Speaker 3: Mark private time, no microphones, no, no needed.
Speaker 2: We'll dig in. Connie, you've said it all. There's a
Speaker 2: drop until Thursday. Heed the call. You good to be back.