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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson and Matt it's a time for

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Speaker 2: the fantasy football focus. Here is we get ready for.

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Speaker 3: Coming down the home stretch. A lot of people probably

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Speaker 3: drafted this last weekend, and right I got two coming up.

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Speaker 3: I think you got guts coming up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what I wanted to do today for the

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Speaker 2: fantasy football focuses talk specifically about Steelers, Oh Okay and

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Speaker 2: where their guys should be drafted at Okay.

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Speaker 3: Kind of an odd team. I mean, I think we

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Speaker 3: know they're gonna run the ball a lot. I think

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Speaker 3: they can handle two backs more than others. Just talking

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Speaker 3: strickly fantasy. Arthur Smith has a crazy history of using

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Speaker 3: and utilizing tight ends. I don't think there's a receiver

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Speaker 3: to compete with pickens, you know, for touches, So that's

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Speaker 3: interesting to me, but there hasn't. There also hasn't been

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Speaker 3: a receiver in Arthur Smith's history that's like blown up.

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Speaker 3: But if he is, it might be this year. Well

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Speaker 3: you can make that.

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Speaker 2: You can make the argument that AJ Brown blew up

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Speaker 2: early in his screaer because he came from nowhere.

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Speaker 3: Oh he's yeah, he was really really good, but he

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Speaker 3: really blew up Post Smith. But that's more.

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Speaker 2: I've also heard people make the argument, well, he doesn't

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Speaker 2: have enough in his offense for two receivers, and that's

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Speaker 2: false because if you look at that first year in

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, Corey Davis had like nine hundred dards.

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Speaker 3: Davis was legit. Yeah, Corey Davis was a good player.

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Speaker 2: I mean he was very long with AJ Brown having

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Speaker 2: like twelve or thirteen hundred yards, who was really young, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so all right, so we'll just go right down the positions. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm looking here at the ESPN dot com fantasy rankings, okay,

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Speaker 2: and they have all the guys vote and then they

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Speaker 2: figure out where you know, where this guy where that

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Speaker 2: guy's at all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he used to be one of those voters.

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Speaker 2: So they ranked at top twenty five at quarterback. Neither

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Speaker 2: Steelers quarterback in the top twenty.

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Speaker 3: So there is a theory just to grab fields in

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Speaker 3: the last round of your fantasy draft, even knowing he's

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Speaker 3: the backup, because if he becomes a starter, it's gonna

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Speaker 3: be really hard to get him because he is so

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Speaker 3: fantasy relevant. I mean since he's entered I start of

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Speaker 3: this today and I mean since he entered the league.

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Speaker 3: Lamar is the only one that averages more rushing yards

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Speaker 3: per game. And that's the cheat code, and you know

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Speaker 3: he's gonna throw. You just don't want to be the

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Speaker 3: team and at the bottom of your roster. That does

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Speaker 3: it hurt you to keep him for a month or whatever?

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Speaker 3: If Wilson were to get benched or injured, it's not

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Speaker 3: that bad. I mean, whoever your last position player is

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Speaker 3: probably isn't playing for you anyway.

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Speaker 2: But it's a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: But it's a quarterback. It's not a hard play that means.

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Speaker 2: You're going to carry three quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: Or I mean, if you draft Allen, do you just

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Speaker 3: draft Fields in the last round.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's in case you're not even gonna use Fields, right, right,

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Speaker 2: Like he's never going to play for you if you

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Speaker 2: have Allen.

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Speaker 3: Right, but you could probably turn him into something. Maybe

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Speaker 3: quarterbacks are hard to trade, yeah, yeah, but especially especially

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Speaker 3: in what if it's a two quarterback league? Then you yeah,

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Speaker 3: then you can't afford to have him right now, you're

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Speaker 3: carrying multiple you know, in that situation, if it's if

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Speaker 3: it's a super flexi league like that, then he's kind

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Speaker 3: of a lottery ticket. Oh he didn't go pretty high. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: In straight one quarterback leagues, he doesn't get drafted in

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Speaker 2: most leagues he shouldn't.

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Speaker 3: He shouldn't because he's a backup. Yeah. I mean, Wilson

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Speaker 3: to me's underrated. Yeah, because he throws touchdowns, right, I mean,

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Speaker 3: maybe it's.

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Speaker 2: Like their bottom the players twenty through twenty five in

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Speaker 2: their rankings, Deshaun Watson, Matthew Stafford, Gino Smith, Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 3: Daniel Jones. I think he's in that neighborhood. Jones runs

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Speaker 2: Jones probably rated on this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's hard. Nobody wants to, you know, put

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Speaker 3: the sticker on the board for Daniel Jones. But the

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Speaker 3: year he threw like twelve or thirteen touchdown passes, he

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Speaker 3: was in the top twelve quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because they designed runs, designed a lot of runs

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he scores on as a rusher.

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Speaker 2: But you can't, like a couple of these guys have

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Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson ranks seventeenth.

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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, he's not for me. Like, I really don't

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Speaker 3: see any difference between Geno season too.

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Speaker 2: He's a play He hasn't played more than six games

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Speaker 2: in either season for the Browns, and he's not super

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Speaker 2: healthy and he's coming off off a shoulder searcher.

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Speaker 3: Here, so they're trying to trade DTR apparently, but there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of talk that Winston might even play Week one. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Like that's crazy. I honestly don't see any difference between Wilson,

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Speaker 3: Mayfield Gino. Yeah, none of them are going to run

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Speaker 3: for a ton of yards, but they get something here

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Speaker 3: and there. Yeah, and Wilson probably runs more than both

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Speaker 3: those guys, a little more volume for those other two,

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Speaker 3: you would think, but he's a little more proven too.

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Speaker 3: He throws touchdown passes.

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Speaker 2: So I'm looking here at the running back rankings. Okay,

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Speaker 2: they've got Jalen Mooren at twenty five. They've got Nause

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Speaker 3: So I noticed ADP because of the war end quote injury,

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Speaker 3: Nause's going up quick and Warren's falling a little so

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Speaker 3: I think if you do a draft today, you're not

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Speaker 3: going to get him in that order. You know, Nause's

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Speaker 3: gonna go higher than that. Beku's in their neighborhood. Then

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Speaker 3: let's put it in content.

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Speaker 2: The guy's right ahead of them at twenty James Connor

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Speaker 2: twenty one, David Montgomery twenty two, DeAndre Swift twenty three

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Speaker 2: is a mere White, Twenty four is Brian Robinson, right

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Speaker 3: I have a problem with White and Robinson. The others

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Speaker 3: I think is who these two belong with, especially Nausey.

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Speaker 3: White and Robinson aren't for me.

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Speaker 2: Twenty seven is Javonte Williams, twenty eight is Zach Moss,

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Speaker 2: twenty nine is Taije Spears. Thirty is Tony Pollard.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't love the I think that's gonna be

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Speaker 3: true fifty to fifty in Tennessee, and I like both players,

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Speaker 3: but I also don't think they're gonna be closing games

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Speaker 3: out on the ground. Javonte is one that I've warmed

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Speaker 2: And he's not even Julia mclachan there.

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Speaker 3: Oh, he's not the receiving back yet. But they just

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Speaker 3: have a million targets to backs. No matter that wait, I.

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Speaker 2: Thought that was all Russell Wilson just checking down.

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Speaker 3: It's been Peyton's whole career. Jamar used to catch.

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Speaker 2: Eighty A little research fellas before we say it's all

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Speaker 2: that you know, all the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: So I think, like Montgomery, Javante, the two others who

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Speaker 3: high of them. Swift isn't doesn't excite me either. No,

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Speaker 3: but the two that were right ahead of right around

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Speaker 3: Montgomery Connor Connor, Yeah, I think that's the neighborhood you're

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Speaker 2: I think they're low end RB two's, high end RB

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Speaker 2: threes or flex plays. If either one of them doesn't

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Speaker 2: play for stretches, then they're like slammed.

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Speaker 3: Don start as well. Yeah, and then they jump up

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Speaker 3: the board massively.

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Speaker 2: I think the thing that I think is going to

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Speaker 2: happen here. Everybody's talking about the pass catchers for the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: I think both of these guys are going to catch

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Speaker 3: I do too, because part of it is a Wilson thing.

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Speaker 2: Part of it is, but I also think they're going

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Speaker 2: to design it because they don't you know you don't

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Speaker 2: have a true number two receiver.

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Speaker 3: I also think naug you could find the end zone

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Speaker 3: a lot. Yeah. And I don't blame fantasy analysts for

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Speaker 3: this because they have nothing to go off of. They're

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Speaker 3: not in La Trobe with us. But I think Nausey

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Speaker 3: looks better physically than he has at any point since

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Speaker 3: he's been here. He looks more explosive, faster. They would

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Speaker 3: know that because he has been out there. Mind.

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Speaker 2: I was listening to a show today on the drive

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Speaker 2: over here from the Steelers practice facility, and I can't

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Speaker 2: remember what analyst it was. They were talking about. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know, Cordell Patterson's a he's an Arthur Smith guy,

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Speaker 2: and he's going to be in there with with Jaylen

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Speaker 2: Warren out and he's gonna steal no.

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Speaker 3: No, no, Like Patterson's not fantasy relevant, no. And I

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Speaker 3: don't think he cuts into Warren at all. I don't

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Speaker 3: know that Warren is going to miss any time, even

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Speaker 3: even Warren misses week one.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that that's going to happen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I start Harris that way.

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Speaker 2: I walked over and talked to Jalen today and I'm

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Speaker 2: like Hey, I just mentioned this last week, which I did.

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Speaker 2: I said, I mentioned that, you know I on my

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Speaker 2: show that you know I did that story on you, yeah,

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Speaker 2: years ago about your hamstring injury in high school. I said,

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Speaker 2: if people want to know whether you're going to play

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Speaker 2: in week one or not, they just need to read that.

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Speaker 2: He goes, Oh, you're absolute. Yeah, mindset. He said, if

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Speaker 2: it's up to me, I'm playing so.

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Speaker 3: And by then it probably will be up to him.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it'll probably pass. How you feeling, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: so but no, I mean, okay, question, if one of

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Speaker 3: the two hypothetically were injured in week one out for

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Speaker 3: the year, is Patterson a strong pick up? The other

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Speaker 3: one is massive? Yeah? Massive?

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Speaker 2: He becomes a RB one every week, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean I think he's like, I don't say, like

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor level, but I think he's better than Aaron Jones,

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Speaker 3: better than like Josh Jacobs, if Batman or Robin Left. Yeah, Patterson,

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Speaker 3: you pick up. But I don't think he'd get the

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Speaker 3: same touches that he's walking into. No, don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna Yeah, he wouldn't factor and

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Speaker 2: they'd use him some.

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Speaker 3: He'd get I mean he'd be the two. Yeah, it

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Speaker 3: probably grabs someone off the practice squad. Yeah, but I

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Speaker 3: don't think he'd be like a flex.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think so either. Yeah, yeah, I don't

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Speaker 2: think so either. Looking at the wide receivers, and this

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Speaker 2: is you know, I don't know we'll see here. So

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Speaker 2: looking at George Pickens right now, he's going his wide

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Speaker 2: receiver twenty eight, So that makes him a wide receiver

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Speaker 2: three in most leagues.

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Speaker 3: Right, I have him almost ten spots higher than that

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Speaker 3: he was right around twenty or nineteen.

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Speaker 2: There are the highest ranking on him for anybody is

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Speaker 2: twenty seven. The lowest rankings thirty one.

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Speaker 3: That's really clustered togetherition where there's that's.

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Speaker 2: Too much group thing for me. Yeah, nobody's looking at

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Speaker 2: this and saying this guy could really spike this year.

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Speaker 2: So nobody.

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Speaker 3: This is how that process works, because I've been in

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Speaker 3: that room. I mean maybe it changed, it's been a

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Speaker 3: long time, but there was maybe twenty human beings in

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Speaker 3: a meeting room where at the Fantasy Summit in Bristol,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, like I said, he's at twenty eight. So

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Speaker 3: On, yeah, I would have Flowers well below just even

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Speaker 2: Six is t Higgins. Twenty seven is Calvin Ridley.

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Speaker 2: Right behind him is Tank Dell, Chris Gobwin, Amari Cooper

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Speaker 3: Okay, there must be some above Cup that I disagree

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Speaker 2: Like they have Michael Pittman at twelve. I have pittment

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Speaker 3: Oh, I have them right ahead of them, There's no

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Speaker 2: I take Pickens. Would you just cups? Cups? Injury history

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Speaker 3: I've been really rough on the Kua because a cup.

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Speaker 2: I mean I like Cup the player, and he bounce back,

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Speaker 2: Any sharing targets. Yeah, Hickens is not sharing targets here

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Speaker 3: No, And we started the show talking about this too.

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Speaker 3: I mean, every time he's been in the field the preseason,

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Speaker 3: That doesn't mean if he plays sixty snaps, he's thirty targets.

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Speaker 3: But every time he's out there, the ball goes to

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Speaker 3: him in different manners than he used to. It's not

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Speaker 3: I don't remember even one go route this year.

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Speaker 2: But he's down here among a bunch of second wide

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Speaker 2: Higgs in Summer three like tank de Yeah, you know, but.

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Speaker 3: That would be a headed digs must be high, that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not so wonder if.

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Speaker 3: They have digs at their top.

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Speaker 2: They don't. They have digs lower. Okay, so but yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I get it. There's a lot of wide receivers

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Speaker 3: Yeah, neighbors seem too low to me. But again you

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Speaker 2: Yeah he's the number one guy. Yeah over number two guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I don't hate the ranking. I have

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Speaker 3: I mean, you could you can do well drafting receivers

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Speaker 2: They do have digs. Is twenty one on there?

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's the one I would not I would not

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Speaker 3: end up with Pittman or Diggs of guys ahead of them. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's for sure. So you know where they have friar moves,

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Speaker 3: they don't have any other receivers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure these are no other receivers in some

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Speaker 3: I mean late of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Think people are still sleeping on Jefferson. I tend to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course that changes with a big trade.

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Speaker 2: Of He probably catches fifty passes for seven hundred yards

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And what I was gonna say too is I

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Speaker 3: don't think seven touchdowns is crazy. No, I mean that's

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Speaker 2: How many times we see him using seven shots at

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Speaker 3: That's a lot. And you know down by the goal line.

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Speaker 2: Bigger body guy pickings is gone.

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Speaker 3: Quick hitterers to Jefferson. I'm not saying you have to

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Speaker 2: I'd much rather have him over the other guys.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And he's the two.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm gonna give you some names. Here they

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Speaker 2: ranked the top sixty. Okay, here are fifty five through sixty.

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Speaker 2: Adam Thielen.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I'm taking him in any league at

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Speaker 3: this point. Curtis Samuel I like Curtis Salmon. I think

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Speaker 3: he could be the He might be my favorite Bills receiver.

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Speaker 2: Gabe Davis want nothing to do gave Davis. Rashid Shahed

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Speaker 2: He might be the one.

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Speaker 3: He's not as he's not as young as people think either. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean he's he hasn't played at all, he's coming

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Speaker 2: Darnell Mooney's at fifty two. Jerry Judy's at fifty three.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, true, two's that have a lot of warts. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't think Jefferson's too far off in back.

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Speaker 2: No, I think he's in that range somewhere. But I

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Speaker 2: think in most rankings where you see him is past

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Speaker 2: one hundred. Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy.

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Speaker 3: They think Roman Wilson's going to blow up and go

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Speaker 3: past all these guys. We have no evidence of that. No,

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Speaker 3: Jefferson's the two. He's gonna be on the field eighty

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Speaker 3: five percent of snaps.

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Speaker 2: Probably, Yeah, yeah, that's a lot. And you have to

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Speaker 2: be on the field to catch football. Now, I hear

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Speaker 2: you on him, he should be like on everyone's watch list. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying draft wars, of course, but I'm saying

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Speaker 3: Right, he may out catch the rest of the receiver. Yes,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I think that's a good way.

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Speaker 3: I point like, how many is Austin gonna catch? When's

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Speaker 3: Wilson ever gonna see the field? Is Miller even active

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Speaker 3: game one?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Yeah, so he may have

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Speaker 3: more receptions than those three combined.

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Speaker 2: At tight end, Pat fryarm With is fourteen.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's a little low for me. I think I

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Speaker 3: have him twelve.

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Speaker 2: He's behind TJ. Flipping Hawkinson, who's not even playing football

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Speaker 2: this year.

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Speaker 3: He's like November is what they're shooting for. Yeah, he's gonna.

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Speaker 2: Miss half the season. How do you have friar With

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Speaker 3: So there's people out there that aren't fantasy experts that

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Speaker 3: look at this and go into a draft to be like,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna put the sticker up for Hawkinson in the

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Speaker 3: ESPN told me, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: This is what Mike Clay and Bowen and yeah, Carabro like,

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Speaker 2: this is what they're saying. And that's silly.

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Speaker 3: You're going to carry him for two months doing nothing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you've an IR spot, maybe, but I'm

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Speaker 2: In every one of them, he's either thirteen, fourteen, or fifteen.

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Speaker 2: For every guy on here.

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Speaker 3: Who the couple ahead of them? I'm sure Bowers is

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Speaker 2: Dallas SCoDD Brock, Bowers, t J. Hawkinson, and then you

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Speaker 2: get Pat farm with right behind him Dalton Schultz, Cole Comett,

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Speaker 2: Tyler Conklin.

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Speaker 3: It's way too high on Comet and Conklin. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't even think tight ends drop off the off

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Speaker 3: the cliff after those guys. I understand the DJOKU, I

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Speaker 3: understand uh Bowers, but I still have friar muth over Bowers.

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Speaker 3: Hawkinson makes no sense to me.

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Speaker 2: The Bowers thing is going to be interesting now with them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I probably just won't end up with them.

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Speaker 2: I guess Michael Mayer is still a thing there, and

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Speaker 3: They plan on playing both of them a lot. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but I don't know how many touchdowns that team scores. No,

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Speaker 3: So that worries me. So he's been avoid for me.

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Speaker 3: But he could have a really good rookie year. I

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Speaker 3: staying away. You know, I'm not thrilled with Shultz, but

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Speaker 3: I would clearly a friar with over Schultz. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Hawkinson makes no sense at all.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking here at their kicker rankings. Ah, they have

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Speaker 3: Really mean, I mean, he's one of the best kickers

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Speaker 2: Yeah, any kicks long ones kick in the miss very

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Speaker 2: often if they don't think the offense is going to

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Speaker 3: Right, doesn't mean you're never gonna cross.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna kick the field goals? Yeah, right, right, maybe

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Speaker 2: you don't. Oh, they're not gonna be very good in

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Speaker 2: the red zone, perfect.

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Speaker 3: Right, It's funny.

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Speaker 2: I never rag from Detroit is on here at at eighteen.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know if he's gonna make the Lions roster.

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Speaker 3: He's one of those, I mean, common on kickers, but

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Speaker 2: Always Edie Pinero the Carolina Panthers is on here. They're

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Speaker 3: I don't even care about whether. I mean, if it's

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Speaker 3: just don't start them. Pick somebody else up or whatever.

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Speaker 2: It's silly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't get.

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Speaker 2: That to not have Boswell, anywhere do they do defenses?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would go to be pretty high.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm looking here, where are they at sacks?

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Speaker 3: Is where I start with Fantasy d's.

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Speaker 2: Okay, they go Browns, Cowboys, forty nine Ers, Jets, Ravens, Steelers.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Browns and Jets. I would have over them, although

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Speaker 3: I think the Jets could take a small step backwards.

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Speaker 3: I'm not thrilled with Dallas.

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Speaker 2: man show and they haven't stopped now going to miss

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Speaker 2: out the season.

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Speaker 3: I don't think i'll draft them that high. Who's the

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Speaker 3: other one right right above them?

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Speaker 2: Forty nine Ers?

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Speaker 3: Fine, but I'm not going on on my way to

443
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Speaker 3: draft the Niners for what they cost. I think Kansas

444
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Speaker 3: City's always in the equation to play a lot of leads.

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Speaker 2: Right after them are the Saints, Chiefs, Bengals, Dolphins, Dolphins,

446
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Speaker 2: Saints and Dolphins. Yeah, I'm not drafting those guys. No,

447
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Speaker 2: somebody else is gonna have those defenses.

448
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Speaker 3: I mean, Steelers take the ball away consistently, and I

449
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Speaker 3: know that's a hard thing to bank on, but Mink

450
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Speaker 3: is gonna get more picks.

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Speaker 2: And prior to last season they led the league in

452
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Speaker 2: sacks like five straight years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you mentioned. I know it's preseason, but

454
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Speaker 3: eleven sacks and three games with your three best guys. Again,

455
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure how many, how many teams or would

456
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Speaker 3: you bet rush the pass or better than the Steelers

457
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Speaker 3: this year, maybe not end up with more sacks because

458
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Speaker 3: they might not be playing with ten point leads. I mean,

459
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Speaker 3: the Niners are always playing with those huge leads leads, you know,

460
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Speaker 3: that kind of thing. But I bet they're a top

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Speaker 3: top five pass rushing team. Yeah, and to me, that's

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Speaker 3: where I always start.

463
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Speaker 2: With fans and they turn the ball. They got guys

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Speaker 2: that catch the football.

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Speaker 3: Yep, and that means you hit quarterbacks more ball pops up.

466
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Speaker 3: This is a weird stat.

467
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Speaker 2: What leads the league and forced fumbles and he's.

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Speaker 3: Tremendous at that. You know, Mink is gonna have more takeaways.

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Speaker 3: So I don't think this is an accident because I

470
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Speaker 3: think Watt and high Smith have become extremely good at it.

471
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Speaker 3: The Chiefs are the only team in the league that

472
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Speaker 3: batted down more passes than the Steelers last year. Tip

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Speaker 3: balls turning the turnover balls turn into turnovers, and that's

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Speaker 3: not an accident.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, for sure. Uh So that's where the Steelers

476
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Speaker 2: players rank going into these fantasy drafts.

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Speaker 3: It might be some value there.

478
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Speaker 2: There's some value there.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are down there. They're

481
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Speaker 2: down on the Steelers offense. You very rarely see or

482
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Speaker 2: hear much about the Steelers that you'll hear all about

483
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Speaker 2: the Giants offense, or you'll hear these are bad offenses. Yeah,

484
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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh's offense canna be better than that those ones.

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Speaker 3: I think it should be noticeably better than it's been

486
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Speaker 3: for the last handfull of years. Yeah, I mean, like

487
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,919
Speaker 3: the points were so low and things like that, that

488
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Speaker 3: stuff's going to go up. Rushing yards are going to

489
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Speaker 3: go up. And I do think that there are teams

490
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Speaker 3: in the fantasy world to target that people just brush off,

491
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Speaker 3: like they're not one of those guys, you know, like, yeah,

492
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Speaker 3: that has to come up with a list of five

493
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Speaker 3: or six. But everyone's super excited about Chicago right now,

494
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Speaker 3: like they're the opposite to me, Like, yeah, people are

495
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Speaker 3: ahead of themselves on how good the Bears are.

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Speaker 2: There somebody else can have those guys, Yeah, right right.

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Speaker 3: Right where I can come up with a handful of

498
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Speaker 3: teams where I'll take a few dudes off there. They're

499
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Speaker 3: going to touch the ball a lot. Yeah, Arizona's one

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Speaker 3: of my favorites. You know.

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Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening

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Speaker 2: to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna get to a break. We'll be back with more

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Speaker 2: right after this.

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly. He is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and Matt I'm looking here. You sent me

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Speaker 2: this at Actually this is from my Brandon Thorne, who

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Speaker 2: is a Yeah he does Trench Warfare, who is his.

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Speaker 3: Own substack and podcast. And I think he's the best lineman,

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Speaker 3: but more so offense than defense. But he's the best

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Speaker 3: lineman expert in the me then it's not even close. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's all he does. He doesn't don't ask, right.

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Speaker 2: He is the Craig wolf Lee.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah of media. Yeah.

518
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Speaker 2: So he went through and came up with a list

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Speaker 2: of the ten most impressive offense rookie offensive lineman that

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Speaker 2: he saw in this preseason. Yeah, number one for him,

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Speaker 2: Zach Fraser, how about it?

522
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Speaker 3: And it's a really good O line class like alt

523
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Speaker 3: is on that list, and you know, I just scanned it.

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Speaker 2: Well, just the other the other guys that he mentioned,

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Speaker 2: Dominic Pooney with the forty nine ers, Graham Barton.

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Speaker 3: They love Pooney, by the way, He's played really.

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Speaker 2: Well, Christian Haynes, Laden Robinson with the Patriots, Olufashanu with

528
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Speaker 2: the Jets was a first round draft pick. Barton, of course,

529
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Speaker 2: was the first round draft pick as well. Alt Elijah

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Speaker 2: Klein with the Bucks, who six round draft pick, Matt

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Speaker 2: Lee with the Bengal Digs deep.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's what every rookie who was a.

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Speaker 2: Six round draft pick in Tyland Grable with the Bills,

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Speaker 2: who was a six round draft pick. Okay, again, Fraser

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Speaker 2: was the number one.

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Speaker 3: Guy, number one guy of all rookie offensive lineman and

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Speaker 3: played a lot of snaps. But I mean, so did

538
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Speaker 3: Broader Jones a year ago, and he was not his

539
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Speaker 3: number one rookie, you know. And Frasier's handled every test

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Speaker 3: and excelled with it. I thought he's played really really.

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Speaker 2: The only real thing was that it was the bad snap.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that happened. Okay, I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: kill him for that. Yeah, I can't have him during

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Speaker 3: the season.

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Speaker 2: No, you get that again. Sometimes you'd rather you make

546
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Speaker 2: those kind of mistakes in the precinctson, Now you've correct it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: what did you see there that made you snap the football?

548
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Speaker 2: Because all he was doing was motioning Fields, was motioning

549
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Speaker 2: for the receiver to go in motion, which is yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So maybe he heard something or maybe the silent the

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Speaker 2: silent count might have been off. You know, we just

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Speaker 2: don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure. Yeah, that's communication issue.

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Speaker 2: I should have asked him today because I did talk

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Speaker 2: to him.

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Speaker 3: No, I did you.

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Speaker 2: I asked him, you know, hey, you going down to

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Speaker 2: the Penn State West Virginia game this weekend. He goes, Yep,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be there.

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Speaker 3: I guess that does work out well?

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Speaker 2: And I said that right, great is? I said, well,

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm a Mountaineers fan this weekend, right as pet

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Speaker 2: firm with his walking by.

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Speaker 3: Oh, your daughter goes, wu, you're ready to check the him?

565
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Speaker 3: He should be some kind of fan for him.

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Speaker 2: No, they're just playing Penn State a state. That's why

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Speaker 2: I was kind of gathering that. That's fine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know you're here to say anti Penn State.

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Speaker 3: So I know a lot of people were familiar with

570
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Speaker 3: Graham Barton and the Steelers were apparently quite interested, and

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Speaker 3: he was the first center taken. And I've watched a

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Speaker 3: lot of them and he's looked really really good for

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Speaker 3: the bush, but.

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Speaker 2: He looks different out there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he gets to the second level. He's constantly looking.

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Speaker 2: Even if he misses the first block, he's getting the

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Speaker 2: next guy, getting somebody else. He's always looking to hit somebody.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the play is never over attitude. I think he's

580
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Speaker 3: always square to his opponent. Rarely is he, you know,

581
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Speaker 3: doing awkward things. He's a very balanced athlete. One thing

582
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Speaker 3: that I forget that it was Mike PURSUITO and Mike

583
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Speaker 3: Pursuit did a ton of work in the preseason, as

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Speaker 3: you know, with Max Starks. They did a lot of

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Speaker 3: O line chats and he said, boy, I learned a

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Speaker 3: lot from Max. And he said, two things that Max

587
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Speaker 3: really taught me about line play is the looking for

588
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Speaker 3: work thing. You know, like you don't have to be

589
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Speaker 3: a perfect with your technique as an analyst or any

590
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Speaker 3: of that stuff. And it's a really hard thing to

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Speaker 3: do and I'm not perfect, no one is. But he said,

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Speaker 3: if you if you see a lineman that is consistently

593
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Speaker 3: looking for work, even if they blow an assignment there

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Speaker 3: they're running downfield. We've seen a lot of that with

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Speaker 3: Fraser and never on the ground. Yeah, that's a huge

596
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Speaker 3: scouting thing. I mean, O lineman there on the ground

597
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 3: probably means a bad balance. They get over their skins.

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Speaker 2: That's one of the things I didn't like about file. Yes,

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Speaker 2: on the ground, A lot on the ground, a lot

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Speaker 2: and anybody and you just yeah, all you're doing is

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Speaker 2: getting in the way.

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Speaker 3: And Fraser's definitely checked big time boxes on both those

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Speaker 3: categories and amongst others.

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Speaker 2: The thing I like about him that I've seen a

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Speaker 2: lot the athleticism shows up.

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Speaker 3: Like he is quickness Yeah, and he's pretty powerful. I

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Speaker 3: think he'll get more powerful. The wrestling background is kind

608
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Speaker 3: of obvious. I mean, he's tough, he's strong, he's everything.

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Speaker 3: Helps the balance with the balance, right those guys are.

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Speaker 2: You always have guys shooting in on your lefe eggs

611
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Speaker 2: and you you're still capable of staying on your feet.

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Speaker 3: You're in hand on contact. You can't go to the ground, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean that's a problem to give up to Yeah,

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Speaker 3: if not, you know three. But obviously the work ethic

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Speaker 3: the toughness. I mean, he's passed every test. So I

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Speaker 3: always hate one of my least favorite phrases is they

617
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Speaker 3: always say's about old lineman. He'll play in the league

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Speaker 3: ten years. But he has that look about him, you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like it would shock me. Maybe

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Speaker 3: he isn't the next Hall of Fame center from the

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Steelers, but he sure looks like a long term starter.

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Speaker 3: And that's that's a huge compliment.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean again, I've seen I've covered Demarni Dawson,

624
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Speaker 2: you know, I covered Jeff Harding's, I covered obviously Marque's

625
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: Pouncy and some of those guys that are in between,

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Speaker 2: and he looks closer to the star players than the

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Speaker 2: in between, the in betweens.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Like I remember when Pouncey arrived, I immediately it

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Speaker 3: was hosted.

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Speaker 2: I see a little bit of Pouncy in him in

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Speaker 2: terms of the athleticism and the ability did to get

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Speaker 2: guys on the move.

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Speaker 3: Hit and it's immediately fit for big.

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Speaker 2: Guys like that to get out in space and hit

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Speaker 2: little guys on the yard.

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Speaker 3: It's really difficult, really hard because they don't stand still

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Speaker 3: right and they're trying, they're not trying to get hit.

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00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 3: They're not trying to get hit. And even back in

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Speaker 3: the day you get in trouble if you didn't take

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Speaker 3: on blocks. Yeah, nowadays they're just you slip them, slip them,

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Speaker 3: you know, just out quick to some beat them to

642
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Speaker 3: a gap, you know, or juke them out even you

643
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Speaker 3: know where it'd be like here comes the guard running

644
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Speaker 3: at me. I gotta take them on. I'm probably going backwards.

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Speaker 3: But now they don't stand stille for you. And there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of nickel, a lot of dime. There's a

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Speaker 3: lot of small people out there.

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Speaker 2: This allows and and you know, like things like I

649
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Speaker 2: remember when Merrill Hodge would talk about when he went

650
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Speaker 2: to the Chicago Bears and said, we want to run

651
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Speaker 2: the we want to run the football like the Pittsburgh Steelers.

652
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Speaker 2: And they put Hodge up on the whiteboard. He said, well,

653
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Speaker 2: you have every center pull out here and just whoa our

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00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: center can't do that, or then you can't run the

655
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: ball like the Steelers. The money Dawson gets out and

656
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: does that stuff.

657
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 3: Yes, and Pouncey was for that age too. Can you

658
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: get to that level? I mean those are the best,

659
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 3: some of the best. Avert you know, but showing a

660
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 3: lot of signs and I think he deals with power

661
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 3: well too, you know, like if they're gonna put a

662
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 3: nose over him, extra lawrence. I'm just trying to think,

663
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: like the best pass rushing nose can he flat out

664
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 3: anchor and sink his butt and bend at the knees

665
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 3: and in a pure trying to run right through your

666
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 3: bull rush guy, you know Cam Hayward. And yeah, I

667
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 3: think so, but we'll see. The mental stuff looks like

668
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 3: it's there. But I really think the guards he's playing

669
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: with and the quarterback really play with is super helpful.

670
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 3: Obviously Pat Meyer is doing a good job with that too.

671
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 3: But that's gonna be a test. I mean they're gonna

672
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 3: they're gonna try to challenge him mentally.

673
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I think he Uh, I think he's a keeper.

674
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Does he have a write up about Fraser on

675
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 3: There was one ready to say because he's really a

676
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 3: dork about it.

677
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: Here's what Thorn had to say. Yeah, my pick for

678
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: the best rookie blocker in the preseason goes to Fraser,

679
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: who made a smooth transition from his time at West

680
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: Virginia to his first few game games as a pro

681
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: to the way saying it. Yeah, he made an immediate

682
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: impact against the Texans in Week one. His renowned play,

683
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: strength and finishing skills as a run blocker ru on

684
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: full display, sturdy at the point of attech, rarely seeding ground,

685
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 2: and regularly uprooting his target before latching, steering, and finishing

686
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: in full control. Hm. That's a big thing that I've

687
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: seen you read directs guys.

688
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 3: He does, gets their shoulders twist. Yeah, I mean, that's

689
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 3: that's all you need for running lane.

690
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

691
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 3: We talked about starts show Quardo Patterson runs through a

692
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: train track, I mean through a tunnel, and that's great,

693
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 3: and Fraser had something to do with that as well,

694
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 3: But that's not what NFL running games are, you know.

695
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: Really, it's all about just creating that space.

696
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 3: If I get this guy to shift his shoulders six inches, yeah,

697
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 3: and not be pairallel the line of scrimmage, good backs

698
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 3: can get through that, you know. And that's hard to

699
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: do against Dexter Lawrence and Chris Jones and Iron Donald

700
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 3: and I mean, these guys are freaks.

701
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: I just you know, you'd love to see Fatanu on

702
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 2: there as well. We just didn't get to see enough

703
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 2: of them in the.

704
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 3: Pres he gets the incomplete right. Yeah, and McCormick would

705
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 3: have been nice too. He's been out there, but that

706
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 3: doesn't he's.

707
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: The only named ten. Yeah, he might have been eleven.

708
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 3: I don't know.

709
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 2: Does he leave it? Does he have his honorable mentions

710
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: on here? And I don't know, it does not look

711
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: like he does.

712
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 3: I got that email while I was getting coffee one

713
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 3: segment ago and just figured out forward to you and

714
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 3: see what I had the same He was number one. Yeah, yeah,

715
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 3: it does really good work. I urge people check it out.

716
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, that is Brandon Thorn from the what's the website?

717
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 3: Again? The that's his own it's a French warfare, Trench warfare,

718
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 3: French warfare.

719
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 2: He does great stuff on offensive line play.

720
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 3: He's really doubt in with like Duke manny Weather and

721
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 3: some of these guys that are O line experts that

722
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 3: you pay, you know, you pay them to go to

723
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 3: their camps and you know the pros have their line

724
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 3: coaches what they are.

725
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: If the center position is upgraded, just a center.

726
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 3: Position, OKA say, the guards remain the same.

727
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: The guards remain the same. Even if even if Atan

728
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: who doesn't break into the lineup right away. Yeah, this

729
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: should be a really good run blocking offensive line.

730
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good way of point because I think

731
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 3: Jones just focusing on the tackles. Jones is a good

732
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 3: run blocker. Damn Moore is a good run Damn Moore

733
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 3: is a good run blocker. Jones was a dominant run

734
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 3: blocker as a rookie his and Thorne says, this lies

735
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 3: like he has a lot to learn protection. Yeah. I

736
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 3: mean his hands can kind of get all over the place.

737
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: He's as.

738
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: You get him on the move. As a run blocker,

739
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: he's a trained killer and more is much better in

740
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 3: run blocking than protection. And they're gonna run the ball

741
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 3: a lot. Yeah, so that sets up well, sets up well,

742
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 3: and even in protection. It's one of those situations like

743
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,719
Speaker 3: a secondary like if I have two weak links like

744
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: left tackle and center or subpar players, it's hard to

745
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: scheme around that. Yeah, where if I have won and

746
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 3: I don't have to worry about center as much, I

747
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 3: got to start in now Washington character that I can

748
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 3: help my tackles with, or you know, all the double

749
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: tight end sets.

750
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: He's a big Oh. I was looking at him today

751
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: and I'm like, my god, that is a big tight end.

752
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 3: I wonder what he truly weighs. He's not much different

753
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: than the tackles. He really isn't like when he's out

754
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: there kicksliding. Yeah, I think most people if he had,

755
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 3: if none of them the numbers on their jersey.

756
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: You see him in person, and you think when we

757
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: saw him last year when he was on the visit,

758
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: when he came in and it was a visit, I'm like,

759
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: that's got to be an offensive tackle.

760
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a Georgia he had a Georgia shirt on, Like,

761
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 3: is that one of the filming down there?

762
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: I knew it wasn't.

763
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 3: I knew it wasn't Broderick Jones, and I might I

764
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 3: think we said something like, I know they say Washington's big,

765
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 3: but that guy's really not Broderick. But who else could

766
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 3: it be? I guess it's him and we find out

767
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 3: the next day he was in on a visit. But yeah,

768
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 3: he might be one of the most improved Steelers too.

769
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 3: He really had a good preseason, really good preseason both

770
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 3: phases of blocking. Like I didn't think he was much

771
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 3: of a pass blocker. Why would he do that much

772
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,959
Speaker 3: at Georgia? Right, He's become a really good pass blocker,

773
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 3: Like his kickstep looks like a tackle, and he's a

774
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: masher in the run game.

775
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: They got some killers on that offensive front.

776
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they like it. Yeah, they like it.

777
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what, from what I've seen the Jefferson,

778
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 2: he'll throw his body around too. That's one of the

779
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: things that that everybody talks about with Rome. We didn't

780
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: get see Roman Wilson much in that stuff because he

781
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 2: got hurt early in camp. But that was one of

782
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: the things with him is that he's a very willing block.

783
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 3: And I played for Harbaf he didn't, right, Yeah, I mean,

784
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 3: there's no mean.

785
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: He talked about it last week. He said, you know,

786
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: I'm not the biggest guy out there, but I'm I'll

787
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: do it.

788
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 3: He's willing. Yeah, yeah, I mean he would not have

789
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 3: been on the National Championship starting group with that head

790
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 3: coach if he didn't.

791
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 2: And you look at all the long runs that Michigan had,

792
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 2: you don't get those with that your wide receivers blocking.

793
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 3: You know, like Derrick Henry over the years will always

794
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 3: talk about his receivers like, yeah, I get the open field,

795
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 3: I'm hard to tackle, but they could just get in

796
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 3: the way of a safety that has an angle on me. Yeah,

797
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 3: forget about it, you know. I mean even Flatten, I

798
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 3: only behind his ward out.

799
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 2: There the touchdown run that Patterson had, the thirty one yarder,

800
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 2: there were a lot of guys already on the ground, yes,

801
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: on no.

802
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 3: One's it's hard to chase when you're on the ground already.

803
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, And he was untouched. He was untouched. Yeah, No,

804
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 3: I do think only are you get a lot out

805
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: of Austin or Miller, of course, but I don't think

806
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 3: they're gonna be on the field all that much, you know,

807
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 3: not when you're running the ball. You mentioned friar Mouth

808
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 3: help was had some money. Yeah, Hayward can get more

809
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 3: than just get in the way too, and even like

810
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 3: design quarterback stuf for plays to break down or even

811
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 3: more so past pro I think Harris and Warren are

812
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 3: really good blockers too, because they also love it. I mean,

813
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 3: how many times in camp every backs on backwards. Warren's

814
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 3: just stone and they really do.

815
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 2: Were the two best guys for sure in the drill

816
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: in Washington.

817
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were all I won't say elite, but they

818
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 3: were all excellent against Ty Smith and Queen and Roberts

819
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 3: and guys who are big. Yeah, so that kind of

820
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 3: stuff is good.

821
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: I think I think the blocking is going to be

822
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: much improved and we'll see what happens with the fetano.

823
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's also super impressive too. Yeah, you get started.

824
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: He runs like one of these tight ends running backs,

825
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 3: and he's thick. He's really balanced too. It'd be great

826
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 3: to see him in week one. Any chance this is

827
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 3: a chance we'll see. Yeah, we'll see.

828
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's definitely trending in again, if you just

829
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 2: upgraded the center position, it's the big help it. It

830
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: goes volume, like he speaks volumes for where this line

831
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: could be at, because.

832
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 3: I mean, even just if you eliminate the bad snaps.

833
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: That was the I mean there's there's no offans, but

834
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: about that was the weak point and you know on

835
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 2: the line last year.

836
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: Yes, and it is cold with the team.

837
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 2: I don't believe.

838
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 3: I don't think he is. Yeah he is. Maybe he'll

839
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 3: get which also speaks volumes. Yeah, yeah, that was your

840
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: starter last year and he's unemployed. Yeah, no, lineman don't come.

841
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: Aren't easy to find the teams that need to alignment

842
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 2: across the league.

843
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 3: Maybe he gets signed. After week two when it's not guaranteed.

844
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: Or I don't know, maybe he's dealing with something. I

845
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: don't know, but but hey, I'm rooting for him. I'm

846
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 2: not saying he's not right. Yeah, but you upgraded.

847
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 3: There for sure.

848
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely, let's get through a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

849
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: I'm Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here on

850
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: the Steelers Audio Network, Matt and I'll be back to

851
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: finish up the show right after this.

852
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

853
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

854
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

855
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: And we are back. I'm Dale Lalli. He is the

856
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and this is the Drive on the Steelers

857
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: Audio Network. And as we get down to brass tacks

858
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: here cutting guys. Here some clarifications on some.

859
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 3: Of the rules. I have a quick question too, Okay,

860
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 3: go you'll be covering it anyway. So ir rules, Yeah.

861
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: Teams can put up to two players on IR on Tuesday.

862
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: On Tuesday and designate them before they count against the

863
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: fifty three men.

864
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 3: Ross say they don't have to be on the fifty

865
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 3: three and you.

866
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 2: Can designate those guys to come back, or you can

867
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 2: bring them back, but they count towards your eight total

868
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: that you get for the year. Okay, you can bring

869
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: a total of eight guys back off of IR over

870
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: the course of the season.

871
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 3: I think that answers My question was holk them.

872
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: That's what this that's what this rose from, because I

873
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: was asking for some clarification on that today from some people.

874
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 3: He doesn't have to meet He doesn't have to in

875
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 3: the final fifty three.

876
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: No, that's that used to be the old rule. You

877
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 2: had to be on the fifty three. Then they can

878
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: place you on IR.

879
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 3: Which you might have lost the fifty third guy you

880
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:08,479
Speaker 3: wanted to keep.

881
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: Right and then you would and then you would sign

882
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: the other guy back after he cleared waivers. Now you

883
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 2: can put that guy on IR now or tomorrow.

884
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 3: Which makes more sense. Yeah, instead of hoping and waiting

885
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 3: your fifty third bag gets through, you know what I mean.

886
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, if it's more than two, it reverts back to

887
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: the old rule, in which case you'd have to do

888
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: do it that.

889
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 3: Way, okay, because you could cheat and you can yeah, like,

890
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 3: oh he's hurt for the year. Yeah, Like if you

891
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 3: don't think Roman Wilson's any chance to play because he's behind,

892
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 3: we'll just stash him and don't tell anybody. He's fine,

893
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, there's that kind of stuff for great,

894
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 3: great backup kicker. We'll just keep them because our kicker

895
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 3: is a free agent after the year, and we don't

896
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 3: want to go We.

897
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: Don't want to be something Belichick would have done.

898
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

899
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's many the reason why these rules

900
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 2: are in place exactly.

901
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 3: So do you think that will be Hulcom's fate?

902
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I mean he's not close, he hasn't practiced yet.

903
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 2: Is that you can't put him on the pup list

904
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: because of existing injury. So he goes on IR I

905
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 2: believe about six weeks now.

906
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 3: I think it's a minimum six weeks, right.

907
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: And then at that point he can open the practice

908
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 2: window for the guy. He then has twenty one days

909
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: in that practice window to either return or revert back to.

910
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 3: I okay, okay, and then he would go back for good.

911
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 3: Yeah okay, But he doesn't have to open the window

912
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 3: at six weeks.

913
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 2: You know, you can do that at any point there.

914
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that implies to me they think there's a

915
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: chance he plays this year. Yeah, but who knows what?

916
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: Who knows and again we're speculating him. Yeah, but he's

917
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 3: the one that applies to the Steelers for this.

918
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: They haven't. They haven't released him. They haven't done anything

919
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: like that with him.

920
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 3: They didn't.

921
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: Would they reworked his contract?

922
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 3: Yes, so earlier.

923
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: That tells me they expect him to be available at

924
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: some point.

925
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 3: Yes, they were. Otherwise, yeah, he would, They wouldn't have

926
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 3: been wasting their time on him. Yeah.

927
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 2: Right, So you get him back potentially at some point.

928
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it'd be kind of interesting if you

929
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,479
Speaker 3: you know how the riggers the season kick.

930
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 2: In, but you run into a situation like he had

931
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 2: last year exactly, and all of a sudden, you can

932
00:39:58,880 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: bring Hulcomb back.

933
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so bad. Yeah, I'm saying maybe.

934
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: So Sutton's a different situation. Yeah, Sutton is just he's

935
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: on the suspended list. They don't have to carry him

936
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 2: on the roster at all. Yeah, he's not part of

937
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 2: the fifty three the first four weeks. He can't be

938
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: around the team four weeks, yeah, because it's an eight

939
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 2: week suspension.

940
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 3: So if it's a four week suspension, two weeks yeah,

941
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 3: half Yeah, it's half okay, So he's not allowed in

942
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: the facility.

943
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: The final four weeks. He is allowed to rejoin the

944
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: team and can practice. I don't know if he can practice,

945
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: but he's allowed to go into team meetings and do those.

946
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 3: Kind of things, which frankly, isn't that big a deal.

947
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 3: I mean, he's a veteran, he's smart.

948
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 2: They played him at safety the entire face, Yeah, because

949
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: they know he can We know you can play.

950
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 3: You know you could be a lot, right, Yeah, So

951
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 3: that four weeks away doesn't worry me at all. Yeah,

952
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 3: I'm just get in trouble or doing yeah, or stay

953
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 3: in shape and all that kind of stuff, right, And it.

954
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: Gives a player an opportunity to have that support system

955
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: around him, so you don't have something that happens as

956
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: what happened.

957
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 3: That's actually what I was thinking. I was like, I

958
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 3: wonder why the NFL made that a fifty percent rule,

959
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 3: And I bet it's for the players because most of

960
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 3: the guys are suspended or troublel er have had something

961
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 3: happened and they got them suspended, right, and being away

962
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 3: from the team doesn't make that better, No, I mean.

963
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 2: From many cases, that was always my argument with Martavis

964
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: Bryant when he was getting you know, suspended for drugs,

965
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 2: is like, now you're taking him, you're putting him out

966
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: on his own, which is where he had the problems.

967
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 3: At And same with who was a great receiver the

968
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 3: Browns had that couldn't Josh Scordon that type of guy? Yeah,

969
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 3: I mean half of these arrests and things happened that

970
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 3: for three or four weeks when nohe when you're away

971
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 3: from the team, there's no regiment, right, So I bet

972
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 3: that's exactly why that's implied that way.

973
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's the situation with Sutton. So they don't

974
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: have to carry Cam Sutton on the.

975
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 3: But after eight they got to cut to somebody. Yeah.

976
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 2: Ok The nfl PA owners voted in the off season.

977
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 3: Two.

978
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: So what they did was that that what they wanted

979
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: to do. What the owners wanted to do is make

980
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: the fifty three or that that that third quarterback rule.

981
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: Oh right, Okay, you could have the guy on your

982
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: practice squad and have unlimited moves to bring him up

983
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:08,959
Speaker 2: every week off the practice squad.

984
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 3: I'm sure people realize that there's limited moves for other players. Yeah.

985
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 2: Three, he gets three. Three, and then you got to

986
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 2: add them to your active roster the way that the

987
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: nfl PA said, no, we're not going to allow you

988
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: to do that. You've got to either carry the fifth

989
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 2: that quarterback on your fifty three man roster, or you

990
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 2: got to put them on your practice squad and you

991
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 2: only get the three call ups.

992
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 3: There's no quarterback change.

993
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: They're not special anymore because what they didn't want is

994
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: that third quarterback gets paid practice squad money.

995
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 3: Ah okay, but he's worth more than that.

996
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 2: But he's he's act. He's on your fifty three man

997
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: or fifty five man roster on game days of it.

998
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 3: If you give allan practice squad money, that helps your

999
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 3: cap a lot. I assume he's making over a million

1000
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 3: at this stage of his career. He's been in the

1001
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 3: least somewhere in that range. Yeah, I mean, that's three

1002
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 3: million bucks to get to your cap and we get

1003
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 3: these act same things.

1004
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 2: But it's also basically would have given you a fifty

1005
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: four man roster, yes, because you get the free call

1006
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: up of the other third quarterback every.

1007
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 3: M Okay, Yeah, that adds up. So I assume. I mean,

1008
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 3: I think this goes out saying, but Allen's going to

1009
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 3: make fifty three won't be active in week one, But

1010
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 3: is he is there an emergency.

1011
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: Situation, Yeah, he's an emergency quarterback.

1012
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 3: He's yeah, okay, that hasn't changed.

1013
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 2: You're still in uniform.

1014
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 3: He's in uniform. Yeah, okay. And if both those two

1015
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 3: go out, then he can come in. They can't come

1016
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 3: back in, right.

1017
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 2: I believe that's the other rule.

1018
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 3: Think it's like a picture like where you get pulled.

1019
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 3: You can't come back in if the third.

1020
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 2: Guy it used to be back when they first started

1021
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: the third quarterback rule, if he came in before the

1022
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: fourth quarter, okay, because of injuries, then he had to

1023
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: play out to fit the rest of the game. Then

1024
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 2: they kind of they've messed around that rule a lot.

1025
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, you can't put him out there

1026
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 3: if he gets hurt once he gets in either yeah, yeah, okay.

1027
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 3: One other small question, Oh, how does pop work exactly

1028
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 3: for our listeners? Like Nick Chubb's going to start the

1029
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 3: season on that's four weeks. That's not I are I

1030
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 3: mean for I know that, But after four.

1031
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 2: Weeks you then it's the same as I are. Basically,

1032
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: you don't you don't come We're saying, look, Chubb's gonna

1033
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 2: miss the first four weeks the season. You don't know that, Okay,

1034
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: they could choose not to bring him back off the

1035
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: PUP list at that point, he's gonna listen at least

1036
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 2: at least four weeks. Not yes, a minimum, that's the minimum.

1037
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 3: That's a minimum.

1038
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: He could miss more than that, right.

1039
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 3: It sounds like both Chubbs Nick and the one in

1040
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 3: the d N for Miami, you're gonna be on that list. Yeah.

1041
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: Odell's probably gonna be on that list. I think Conklin

1042
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 3: just came off for the Browns. Yeah.

1043
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 2: So the Jets you mean or no, he's talking Tyler, Yeah,

1044
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 2: you tackle. Yeah, so those two teams have had Jack. Yeah,

1045
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: so okay, the Steelers don't have anyone on PUP that

1046
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: I know of. No, Okay, they have some my R guys. Yeah, like,

1047
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 2: and we've we've told you guys this before. But for Hoko,

1048
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: for example, when on IR and camp is season's over. Yeah,

1049
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 2: the IR moves when we were talking about the being

1050
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 2: able to bring him back, they would have to go

1051
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 2: on Tuesday.

1052
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 3: There's only one day exemption basically for that. Yeah.

1053
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: Anybody who went on i R before this is done

1054
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 2: for the year.

1055
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 3: Okay, so Hoko is one of them.

1056
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, unfortunately for him.

1057
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 3: Yeah right, but that means they they liked them enough

1058
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: to put him on there and not wave them. A

1059
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 3: lot of those guys get waived and then you'll have

1060
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 3: to deal with the pay him, et cetera. But they'll

1061
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 3: bring him back to camp, most likely next year.

1062
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: The Titans have just traded Malik Willis did that to

1063
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 2: the Packers for a seventh round pass. I bet for

1064
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 2: nothing that entire draft class. Basically Ridor got traded pick

1065
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 2: he got traded, except for.

1066
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: I was thinking about the potential first rounders. Corral's not

1067
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 3: even the league. You said, right, he was with somebody

1068
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 3: that he got cut though, Oh no, I was getting

1069
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 3: the w U kid that got cut. It was Corral

1070
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 3: was not.

1071
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 2: I think with Minnesota.

1072
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 3: I thought, maybe I can't mean he's bounced around so much.

1073
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 3: Remember there was like four or five that Yah got

1074
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 3: first round buzz or whatever. Yeah, none worked out at all,

1075
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 3: not one, not one. Wow, Willis first seven. I guess

1076
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 3: he beats out Clifford maybe or I don't know. But

1077
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 3: what do you do if if you get Patrick or

1078
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 3: not Patrick Willis? But what if you get Willis Today

1079
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 3: he's not gonna be up to speed forever. I mean,

1080
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 3: I know you only give a seventh trond pick for him. Yeah,

1081
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess you're looking for three. I guess

1082
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 3: I guess he makes the team. Yeah.

1083
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that means, uh, Mason rudolphs to two Tennessee and Tennessee.

1084
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 3: Clearly he's a much better player than Willis.

1085
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. H so that's uh, that's the going rate for

1086
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 2: those late round quarterbacks those are former. I mean, the

1087
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: fact that the Steelers got justin Fields for a six.

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00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 3: Right fields works. Willis isn't even close, not even close.

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00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: And one's an NFL player all day long at a minimum.

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Speaker 2: You know, it tells me that the that the Bears

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00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 2: just kind of panicked and said, we got to get

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Speaker 2: him out of here.

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Speaker 3: I think that was part of it too. I think

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00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 3: there's something to be said for Washington drafting their guy

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00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 3: and moving on from how Yeah, Ritter drafting one and

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00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 3: signing one, move on from the guy that on the

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00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 3: billboards too. I know the picket situation is different, but

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00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 3: you're not the guy anymore. Awkward, go somewhere else. Yeah,

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00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 3: because none of those guys were great either, obviously. Yeah,

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00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 3: it's not like boy it was that was unforged, like

1101
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 3: Fields was better all them. Yeah, you know, basically he's

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00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 3: had a better career.

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00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: But basically they got him for this the same or cheaper.

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00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's still sort of shocks. I mean,

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00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 3: I did do have some hope for Kenny that Fields

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00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 3: was cheaper than Picket. It's amazing to me, it's kind

1107
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 3: of amazing. Yeah, let alone like Willis and these guys. Yeah,

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00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 3: that's the neighborhood. What you paid for Fields. Maybe it

1109
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 3: doesn't work out, but I feel like we should say

1110
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 3: it again. What it costs to get Wilson in Fields

1111
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 3: is remarkably low. It might be the I mean, it's

1112
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 3: remarkably low.

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00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: It might be historic. Yeah, I don't know if you

1114
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: ever see that again.

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00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 3: Right, because you really got more for Picket than what

1116
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 3: it costs you for both those who combined.

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00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, and Denver's paying one of them.

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00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 3: That's what I mean, right, I mean just cap space

1119
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 3: and draft picks. Yeah, you got more for Picket in

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00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 3: return then you gave up for both of them combined.

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Speaker 2: It's just crazy.

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00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 3: It's just crazy, right, Yeah, you know, but maybe it

1123
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 3: doesn't work out. It's with risk worth thinking.

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it, and I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think.

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00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 3: It wasn't like a ton of other options out there.

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00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 3: I think at the first picked the draft.

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Speaker 2: No, I think we both feel like it's it's an

1129
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: upgrade in the room. You weren't going to get into

1130
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: the Kirk Cousins now.

1131
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 3: And I don't blame him at all for that. I

1132
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 3: don't think either one of us was in on that.

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00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 2: We don't even know if Cousins is going to be

1134
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: able to play on in Week one.

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00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 3: I think there's a chance that we see Pinnix.

1136
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 2: And there's a reason why they didn't play him in

1137
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: the preseason.

1138
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 3: Right they shut him down after one week and Cousins

1139
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 3: hasn't done anything. Yeah, and he's old and he's coming

1140
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 3: off a major injury. Yeah, so we'll see. I don't

1141
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 3: know that Cousins will be a Falcon next year at

1142
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 3: this time.

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00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1145
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 2: So and he just turned thirty six, just had his birthday.

1146
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, he's going off a major injury.

1147
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see that, Matt, that's going to do for

1148
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 2: the show today. Okay, so we will be back all

1149
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 2: this week, even though there's nothing going on. But there's

1150
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 2: plenty to talk about. There's there's plenty of season preview

1151
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 2: stuff that that's going on here. We'll have all the

1152
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 2: all the cuts and potentially tomorrow signings and trades that

1153
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 2: are going to happen around the league tomorrow as well.

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00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 3: I guess considering the time we record, we should know

1155
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 3: the Steelers fifty three by the time we're off the

1156
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 3: air tomorrow.

1157
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, we will. We'll know them before we go on here.

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00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they could have them done bey four by

1159
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 3: four'll be public knowledge by.

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00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: That, absolutely, so we have an idea of that. And

1161
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 2: then after that you'll start to see some jocking around. Actually,

1162
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Speaker 2: next twenty four hours, next twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Hours, yeah, seven thrond picks we get moved, yeah, you know,

1164
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Speaker 3: like the Willis move.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so. But uh, for my partner Matt Williamson,

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Speaker 2: for Justin Miller here on site keeping us on the air,

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Speaker 2: I'm Dale Lallie. We thank you for listening to this

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Speaker 2: edition of the Drive on Steelers Audio Network.