1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,559 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 2: Does it never end with this guy? I'm talking about 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 2: Micah Miller's pastor husband, John Paul. As you will recall, 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 2: Micah Miller allegedly committed suicide after alleged mental, verbal, and 5 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: emotional abuse on her from pastor husband John Paul Miller. 6 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: In the last days, we learn he is accused of 7 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: raping a fifteen year old girl. 8 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for 9 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: being with us. 10 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 2: The pastor husband of Micah Miller allegedly raped a fifteen 11 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 2: year old girl and continued a pattern of predatory conduct 12 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 2: for years. According to a new civil lawsuit. Miller, forty four, 13 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: accused in a bombshell lawsuit in the attack the girl 14 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: known only as Jane Doe. The attack allegedly occurred in 15 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight while at his father's church. It's a 16 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 2: forty three page complaint and it's filed in Horary County 17 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: Circuit Court. The unidentified woman accusing Miller of raping her 18 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: and inappropriately touching her. This dredging up the gunshot death 19 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 2: of his beautiful young wife Micah. Questions still swirling about. 20 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 3: That God hates divorce, but why according to everybody I've 21 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 3: asked and the scriptures that I've found, it's because it 22 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 3: hurts people. But does abuse hurt people? How do you 23 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 3: think God feels about that? 24 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 4: Almost in counting numb one one? 25 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: What's the address of your emergency? 26 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 4: I have my location on I think on my phone. 27 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 4: I just want my family to know where to find me. 28 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 5: What you're cracking? JP, your beppy ass coming? 29 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 2: We told you, yeah, what is a pastor doing getting 30 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: into a brawl in the parking lot? 31 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: According to reports, you just saw footage from. 32 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: Our friend and guess Melissa Pfeiffer joining us, and you 33 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 2: saw footage from at the Robbie. 34 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: Harvey at the Robbie Harvey. 35 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: Joining me an All Star panel. To make sense of 36 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: what we are learning. 37 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: Right now, this pastor. 38 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: Comes to the forefront of our national conscious after his 39 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: wife commit suicide. Now many people do not believe that 40 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: she did commit suicide. And there he is, in all 41 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: of his splendor and glory. John Paul Miller, I still 42 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: have the burning question, what is a pastor doing in 43 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: a brawl in the parking lot? 44 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: With me an All Star panel? 45 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: First own a go to a special guest joining us 46 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: Melissa Ffeiffer, who filmed Miller's alleged assault. 47 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: Melissa, thank you for being with us. What happened. 48 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 6: We were there and we were on the side of 49 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 6: the sidewalk the a lignes the church, and we were 50 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 6: just protesting at the time. We had there was a 51 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 6: neighbor that was out there that was talking to us, 52 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 6: and we were distracted and our backs were turned towards 53 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 6: the college and one of the young girls that was 54 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 6: with us turned around and said, that's Jap And when 55 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 6: we turned around, we saw him over there and it 56 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 6: looks to be like he was recording us. And at 57 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 6: that point, when I turned my camera to him, he 58 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 6: took off in the other direction, and so one of 59 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 6: the fellow protesters, you know, she ran across the street 60 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 6: because that's where our cars are parked. And we didn't 61 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 6: know what he was doing. We had no idea why 62 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 6: he was creeping up behind us or anything. So when 63 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 6: we went over there, as you see in the video, 64 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 6: like he was running away, he stopped, turn around or 65 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 6: charged at her, and you can hear her in the 66 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 6: video saying, you're in my personal face. And that's when 67 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 6: he said, what are you going to do? And he 68 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 6: hit the brim of her hat twice with his phone 69 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 6: while he was saying, what are you going to do? 70 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 6: And that's can you see her? You know, go in 71 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 6: on him? 72 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: Wait, let me understand something. 73 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to get you to tell your story 74 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: again because I'm oh wait, there he is getting it? 75 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: Oh wait is that him? Did I see him? Jackie? 76 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 2: Was that him touching her hat? I want to hear 77 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: the whole thing again, Melissa, because you were talking so quickly. 78 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 2: I'm afraid I miss something, but very quickly. I want 79 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 2: to go to high profile. No, no, no, no, you 80 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 2: were perfect. I just don't want to miss anything. Regina 81 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: Ward is joining US high profile lawyer and she's representing 82 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 2: Micah Miller's family law firm of Regina B. 83 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: Ward. Regina, I remember one l first. 84 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: Year of law school, we were talking about torts and 85 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: one of the cases we studied, it's a similar case 86 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:13,679 Speaker 2: in US law. This had to do with a racist. 87 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 2: There was a black male I believe, with his wife 88 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 2: at some luncheon like you know, kawanas or rotary or 89 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 2: something like that, and there was a buffet, as there 90 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 2: is because you know they meet at lunchtime and the 91 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 2: victim had picked up a plate to go through the buffet, 92 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 2: and another guy that did not want the victim there 93 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: went up and grabbed the plate out of his hand, 94 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: and that was deemed a battery. Because if you touch 95 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: something that is touching another person, like the plate or 96 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 2: like this woman's hat, that is considered a battery. 97 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 7: Regina, yes, it is, and him charging her is an assault. 98 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 7: A lot of people think that an assault and battery 99 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 7: kind of go together, where you can have an assault 100 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 7: without a battery. Always say that, you know, the definition 101 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 7: of assault is like when he charged. Putting a fear 102 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 7: into somebody and then raising your hand and is an assault. 103 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 7: That unwanted touch, even if it doesn't cause a bruise, 104 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 7: a scratch or anything, is an unwanted touch, and that's illegal. 105 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 2: It's what we call a simple battery. Now, if it escalates, 106 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 2: or if a weapon is used. 107 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: You point a gun at. 108 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: Someone, you don't shoot, but you point the gun at them, 109 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: that is an aggravated assault. As Regina just stated, correctly, 110 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: putting someone in fear of immediately immediate bodily harm is 111 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: an assault. If it's with a weapon, even your fists, 112 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 2: it's an aggravated assault. You can get twenty years to 113 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 2: life on that. In this case, it would be a 114 00:07:55,880 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: simple assault putting the woman in fear, or a simple battery, 115 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 2: you know, grabbing perhaps. Okay, back to Melissa Sfeiffer, who 116 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 2: filmed the incident, if I could get the control room 117 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 2: to please run it again. 118 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: As Melissa's talking. 119 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: Lissa, there's been a lot of confusion about what happened. 120 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 2: You're an eyewitness, tell me from the beginning. 121 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 6: So we were there and we were on the side 122 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 6: of the sidewalk that got aligned with the church. We 123 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 6: were protesting, and one of the neighbors had walked up 124 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 6: to us and was talking to us, so our backs 125 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 6: were turned towards the college. We couldn't see behind us, obviously, 126 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 6: and then one of the girls that was with us 127 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 6: had turned around and said, that's JP. And so when 128 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 6: we all turned around, we saw him and he was 129 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 6: like on the sidewalk part across the street at the school, 130 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 6: and it looked to me like he was possibly recording us. 131 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 6: I don't know exactly what he was trying to do, 132 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 6: nor do I know how long he been back there for. 133 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 6: When we turned around, when in our cameras at him, he. 134 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 8: Went to run off towards where his truck was, and 135 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 8: that's when the other protester who he assaulted was across uh. 136 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 8: She went to run across the street to see what 137 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 8: was going on because we didn't know why he was 138 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 8: over there, and that's where we park. 139 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 6: And you'll see in the videos she she's running at him, 140 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 6: but she stops at the cars. She stops well within 141 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 6: a healthy distance away from him, and then he stops 142 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 6: in the track, turns around and charges at her, and 143 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 6: you see her put her hands behind her back and 144 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 6: she stands there and you hear her on the video 145 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 6: say you're in my personal face. And he was in 146 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 6: her face saying what are you going to do? What 147 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 6: are you going to do? And then he hit the 148 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 6: brim of. 149 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 8: Her hat with his phone two times. 150 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 6: And then he went to walk off, and she that's 151 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 6: when she ran behind him, telling her him he didn't 152 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 6: get to touch Wow. 153 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: Okay. 154 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: Jackie here in the studio has a legal question Regene Award, and. 155 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: It's a good one. 156 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 2: She wants to know if an assault or battery charge 157 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: on Miller is appropriate if the victim was following him, 158 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 2: And my answer would be yes. 159 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: I mean, let's just take a street. 160 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: In Manhattan, for instance, people are this close together walking. 161 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's really packed. It's not a crime. 162 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 2: Or any sort of a torte to be walking closely 163 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: behind someone. Also, she stopped walking behind him, and he 164 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 2: got a distance away, and then he turned around and 165 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 2: charged at her. 166 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: We just saw that on the video. 167 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 7: Yes. In fact, because he was so far away, he 168 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 7: had an opportunity to leave the scene altogether and avoid 169 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 7: any confrontation. He took it u find himself. Of course, 170 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 7: he responded, probably from an emotional standpoint, turned around and 171 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 7: came back back towards the woman, so that when he 172 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 7: was on the other side of the parking lot, he 173 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 7: had what we call it an opportunity to leave. You know, 174 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 7: don't go back into a dangerous situation. You walk away, 175 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 7: not saying that was a dangerous situation in this case, 176 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 7: but when you have, you know, the opportunity to leave 177 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 7: and avoid that confrontation. He certainly had the ability to 178 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 7: do that, seemed and appeared to already be doing that. 179 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 7: But at some point he got emotional and turned around 180 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 7: and came back and wanted to confront or talk about 181 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 7: whatever it was he thought that upset him, that he 182 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 7: heard someone. 183 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 2: Say, well, of course, John Paul Miller's attorney, Russell Long, 184 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: is calling his arrest quote outrageous. 185 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: Listen. 186 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 9: Miller's attorney, Russell Long is calling Miller's arrest outrageous and 187 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 9: alleges that the women recording Miller make tying comments and 188 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 9: attempts to bait and coerce Miller. Long claims the city 189 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 9: of Myrtle Beach has failed Miller and Solid Rock Church 190 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 9: by allowing protesters to stalk in harassment Miller and his 191 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 9: church goers, effectively killing the church. Long says Miller's arrest 192 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 9: will only provide protesters with more bait and purpose and 193 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 9: worries that they will not stop. 194 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 2: I don't think the protesters are what is killing the church. 195 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 196 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 2: In the Last Days, Mica Miller's pastor husband John Paul Miller, 197 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 2: accused of raping a fifteen year old little girl. In 198 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 2: a civil suit, the woman we know only as Jane 199 00:12:55,920 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: Doe claims this occurred in nineteen ninety eight eight, and 200 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 2: all that we are learning is in a forty three 201 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: page complaint filed in Hoary County Circuit Court. Now we learn, 202 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 2: according to her, the last incident occurred as recently as 203 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, according to the alleged victim, with John 204 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 2: Paul Miller allegedly grabbing her genitals in public that then 205 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 2: triggered repressed memories. Those repressed memories are alleged to be 206 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 2: an assault by Miller back in nineteen ninety eight when 207 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 2: she was fifteen and he was nineteen. 208 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: Now, as you know, the so. 209 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 2: Called pastor Miller under heavy scrutiny ever since his wife, 210 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: Micah was found dead in the Lumbee River State Park 211 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 2: last April from according to authorities. 212 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: A self inflicted gunshot. 213 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 2: Wound Lauren Conlin joining US investigative reporter and co host 214 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: of Prime Time Crime on YouTube and you can find 215 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 2: it pop Crime TV. Lauren, thank you for being with us. 216 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 2: I don't know if you're familiar with this, but sticks 217 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: and stones may break my bones, but words can never 218 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 2: hurt me. 219 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: So let me understand this. His lawyer is. 220 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 2: Claiming that women protesting taunted him with comments and. 221 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: That they're the bad guys. 222 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 10: Yes, apparently the women that are protesting for Micah are 223 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 10: the bad guys in this situation. 224 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: He said they baited him. 225 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 10: John Paul Miller is supposed to be a figure in 226 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 10: the community. He is a pastor, He is not supposed 227 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 10: to be baited and look, I understand that he is 228 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 10: a human being, but I did find it so interesting 229 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 10: Nancy when Ruffong said that the community. 230 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: Of Myrtle Beach was failing. 231 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 10: John Paul Miller and failing his church members. Well, Nancy, 232 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 10: what church are we talking about here? Are we talking 233 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 10: about solid rock? Because as of last week, there is 234 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 10: no longer a solid rock web say, there's not a 235 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 10: social media So. 236 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 6: Who who had these protesters failed? 237 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: Exactly? 238 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 2: Back to Melissa Pfeiffer joining us who videoed this the 239 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 2: alleged assault on a protester, once again, thank you for 240 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 2: being with us. 241 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: You hear that his lawyer is. 242 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: Claiming that you and the other protesters are the problem, 243 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 2: that you are harassing JP Miller, and that you are 244 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 2: harassing the church members, and that you have quote killed 245 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 2: the church. 246 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: What's your response. 247 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 6: I think the SBI rating JP's house is what took 248 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 6: down his church. 249 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: What do you mean by that. 250 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 6: We're not harassing, I mean they it's not a good 251 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 6: look to have your pastor be rated by this BI. 252 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 6: What have you done that? I mean, it's a concerning 253 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 6: statement that he would say that we are the reason 254 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 6: for the church shutting down instead of saying it's his 255 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 6: client's action. 256 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: I'm very curious as to how you respond to his 257 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 2: lawyer claiming that you are and the others other protesters 258 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 2: are harassing the church members. 259 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 11: Yeah. 260 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 6: They've been saying that since the beginning, that we are 261 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 6: harassing the church members, and I guess that they think 262 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 6: that because we chan't, that means we're harassing the church members. 263 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 6: I'm not harassing anybody. I'm exercising my First Amendment rights 264 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 6: and I am protesting. 265 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: There's never been. 266 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 6: Violence from our side. There's never been any any charges 267 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 6: on any of the protesters. There's never been in any 268 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 6: violence from our side. But what there has been is 269 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 6: violence from his church members and violence from him. 270 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 2: I've got a question, Melissa Pfiffer, why are you protesting 271 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 2: you and the others? 272 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: What do you hope to achieve. 273 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 6: For me? We all have our reasons for being out there. 274 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 6: One form or another of MICA's story has touched us each. 275 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:34,719 Speaker 6: We've all been through things, and I protest because something 276 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 6: is not right and I want the truth to come out, 277 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 6: and I need for justice for Mica to be served 278 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 6: and I need him to be held accountable for whatever 279 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 6: it is. He is guilty of whatever, whatever he has 280 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 6: done that can be proven, he needs to be held 281 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 6: accountable for that, and Mica deserves justice. 282 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 12: I just want to let you know that I'm alive 283 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 12: and well, and I'm going through a lot and it's hard. 284 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 13: Micah Miller files for divorce after discovering multiple affairs by 285 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 13: her pastor husband. Micah says in the divorce filing that 286 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 13: she was a faithful and dutiful wife and that she 287 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 13: was quote devoted to their church and marriage. 288 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 12: It's been kind of crazy a couple past weeks, months years. 289 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 14: At Miller's arraignment, the victim's attorney asks the judge for 290 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,719 Speaker 14: a no contact order, but the request is denied. Miller's attorney, 291 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 14: Russell Long And sists Miller did not assault the protester 292 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 14: and renews his call for help to stop the harassment 293 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 14: and stalking of Miller and his parishioners, John Paul. Miller 294 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 14: secures a seven hundred and seventy six dollars bond for 295 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 14: the misdemeanor assault charge and is released after spending the 296 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 14: night in jail. Miller is due back in court on 297 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 14: the charges next month. 298 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 2: I find it very interesting that the alleged victim in 299 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 2: this case a no contact order and didn't get one. 300 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 2: Her tires were flatted, a tracking device is placed on 301 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 2: her vehicle. I know this because JP Miller apologized reportedly 302 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 2: for doing that. Her semi nude shot was taken without 303 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 2: her knowledge and posted on some fetish website by JP Miller. 304 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: I don't know if he took the photo, if she 305 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 2: knew he took the photo, but she certainly did not 306 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 2: know he was posting it on a fetish website, and 307 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 2: he also apologized for that. None of these were ever prosecuted. 308 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 2: So now you have one of the protesters, the alleged victim, 309 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: asking for a no contact order to be put on 310 00:19:54,040 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 2: the reverend JP Miller, but the judge refuses. He's also 311 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: been released on seven hundred and seventy six dollars bond. 312 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: I mean, Lauren comin. 313 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 2: They might as well have just given him no bond 314 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 2: for Pete's sake, just let him walk out or released 315 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 2: oun recognisance. 316 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 10: Yes, I meant to point out earlier Nancy, that this 317 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 10: is not his first mugshot. He was arrested back in 318 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 10: nineteen ninety eight for assault and battery. It was later 319 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 10: dismissed and he got community service, and then he was 320 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 10: arrested again for driving with a suspended license, and I 321 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 10: believe he spent sixty days in. 322 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 2: Jail, you know, with the wife dead and a previous 323 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 2: wife claiming that she was abused in various manners. I 324 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 2: don't know why the judge didn't give this alleged victim 325 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 2: a no contact order. But that said, we now know 326 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 2: more about the FBI raid on Miller's home. 327 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 9: Pastor John Paul Miller isn't home and the FBI evidence 328 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 9: this response team shows up to rate his South Carolina home. 329 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 9: The FBI won't say what they're looking for in FBI 330 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 9: spokesman Kevin Wheeler tells you, I say today the FBI 331 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 9: is conducting court authorized law enforcement activity, been due to 332 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 9: the ongoing nature of the investigation, will be providing no 333 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 9: for their comments on the matter. The lawyer for Pastor 334 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 9: John Paul Miller, Russell Long, claims the FBI is on 335 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 9: a fishing expedition. There was no affidavit attached to the 336 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 9: search war and therefore I have no idea what it's 337 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 9: in relation to. All day long, members of the FBI's 338 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 9: Evidence Response team go in and out of the home 339 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 9: carrying paper bags and other items from the home. 340 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: Is the church alive and well seemingly not? Joining me? 341 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 2: Doctor Marlena Riba, a forensic psychologist who actually lives down 342 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 2: the street from the church. 343 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: What's happening at that church now? Doctor? 344 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 15: At this time, it looks like the church is pretty 345 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 15: much vacant. I believe it was the last weekend, or 346 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 15: maybe two weekends ago, it appeared that they were moving 347 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 15: a lot of the belongings of the church, So it 348 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 15: looks like they are sort of packing up and maybe 349 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 15: going to a different locations. There's also rumors that they 350 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 15: may be changing to a virtual sort of. 351 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:13,959 Speaker 1: Platform. 352 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 15: So beyond that, I can't really speculate, but I can 353 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 15: tell you that every every Sunday there are barricades around 354 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 15: the church. 355 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: Part of that because. 356 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 15: Of the Justice for Mica protesters, and the police is 357 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 15: out there. So, you know, it's also kind of interesting 358 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 15: to me that the allegations from JP Miller would be 359 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 15: that the city of Myrtle Beach isn't doing enough to 360 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 15: kind of stop the harassment. It appears to me that, 361 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 15: you know, they're actually out there every weekend, making sure 362 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 15: that the tensions don't escalate. And as he's proven to us, 363 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 15: you know, just with this recent arrest, we now know 364 00:22:55,640 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 15: that he's capable of sort of escalating things to a 365 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 15: physical level when challenged or questioned. 366 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 2: You know, I find all of this extremely probative, Doctor Riva, 367 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 2: because many people do not believe that Micah committed suicide. 368 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 2: Others believe that she was driven to suicide by her husband, 369 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 2: the Reverend JP Miller, and there is precedent in our 370 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 2: country for prosecuting someone who drives another to suicide. In 371 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 2: this brand new civil lawsuit, claims are made that the 372 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 2: trauma of an earlier alleged sex assault was quote deeply 373 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 2: buried and the Jane Doe had no conscious recollection of 374 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 2: the assault. All this coming out after Micah Miller found 375 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 2: dead by gunshot wound after serving husband John Paul Miller 376 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 2: with divorce papers. Police have ruled her death a suicide, 377 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 2: but many do not accept that ruling. You know, we 378 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 2: were talking briefly about the FBI raid and that would 379 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 2: have been on Miller's home. It's never a good thing, 380 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 2: as I like to say, when you look out your 381 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 2: kitchen window and you see the FBI coming through your trash. 382 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're in trouble. They did a full on raid 383 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: on his home. 384 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 2: Regina Ward, the attorney from Mica, his family saw part 385 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 2: of that raid. What were they taking out, Regina? 386 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I was there, and they took out lots 387 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 7: of different things in terms of but mostly it was packaged, 388 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 7: sealed covered and bags, small bags, big bags. There were 389 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 7: boxes that came out as well. I saw them take 390 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 7: out one thing that was not covered was all in 391 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 7: one computer from and put that in the evidence truck. 392 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 7: There were multiple things that they brought out. At some 393 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 7: point they closed the broad store too, so they must 394 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 7: have been filtering through that and taken out other evidence 395 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 7: from there. The day that John Paul Miller was released 396 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 7: from jail on bond, that just happened. 397 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 6: To be. 398 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 7: Or the seventh year anniversary their wedding anniversary. 399 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: So I thought to myself, Mine, what. 400 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 7: A wonderful gift he gave her walking out of there 401 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 7: with his mugshot all over the world. 402 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 12: I've had a lot. 403 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 3: Of women that have reached out to me about situations 404 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 3: of abuse, and. 405 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: I just want. 406 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 3: To tell you what a lot of people have told 407 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 3: me lately and reminded me because I think I forgot 408 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 3: I knew, but I for I pushed it in the 409 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 3: back of my head just because of my situation. But 410 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 3: you are the bride of Christ. God hates But why? 411 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 3: According to everybody I've asked and the scriptures that I've found, 412 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 3: it's because it hurts people. But does abuse hurt people? 413 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 3: How do you think God feels about that? 414 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 9: Micah Miller is born in Wichita, Kansas, and grows up 415 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 9: as an adventurous, energetic, and giving person. Always a hard worker. 416 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 9: She gets to know her future husband when she is 417 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 9: just fifteen years old and he is her church youth leader. 418 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 16: Privately, she tells her sister she is afraid of John 419 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 16: Paul Miller, going so far as to tell her sister, 420 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 16: Sierra Francis, if I end up with a bullet in my. 421 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: Head, it was JP. 422 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 17: Attorney Regina Ward is also revealing that she received a 423 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 17: subpoena for a grand jury investigating John Paul Miller months 424 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 17: before the raid. Ward claims the document she provided help 425 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 17: the FBI obtain the search warrant for John Paul Miller's home. 426 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 17: Ward is competent and indictment is coming, and reports that 427 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 17: a new potential witness has stepped forward as a result 428 00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 17: of the search. 429 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 9: Overseeing the investigation are asking for any potential witnesses and 430 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 9: victims to come forward. Anyone with information is asked to 431 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 9: call the FBI Myrtle Beach at eight four three six 432 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 9: two six seven four seven six, or use the FBI's 433 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 9: online tip form. 434 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 18: All right, here we go, a grand jury meeting calling 435 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 18: witnesses regarding an investigation of the Reverend J. P. 436 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: Miller. 437 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 2: This after the suicide of his wife Micah and joining 438 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 2: me Regina Ward, Michael Miller's family lawyer. 439 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: What's it all about? What are they investigating? Regina? 440 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 7: Well, the grand jury subpoena that I received asking for 441 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 7: me to appear. I wanted to make this clear they 442 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 7: were asking. It's a subpoena, dius. Just take what says 443 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 7: that they want my documents and the things that I 444 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 7: have in my possession. 445 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: On page two. 446 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 7: It lists multiple things that they want me to They 447 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 7: wanted me to produced relevant to certain situations and what 448 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 7: I would say, certain types of crimes in my observation 449 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 7: of it. However, those are things that I will not 450 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 7: and cannot reveal. I don't want to, you know, interfere 451 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 7: or jeopardize investigation whatsoever. But they, you know, came and 452 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 7: took all of my entire file, everything that Micah gave me, 453 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 7: and everything else that I had put together, even myself. 454 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 7: I also wanted to point out you've asked, you know, 455 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 7: we've talked about his adultery. It is a crime in 456 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 7: South Carolina to commit adultery. It's actually a statute that 457 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 7: carries up to one year in jail, which is pretty interesting. 458 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,479 Speaker 7: But also the other thing is we talked about the 459 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 7: dissemination of the photograph. In South Carolina, we're the only 460 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 7: state that doesn't have a law against that. Now, we 461 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 7: do have a law against disseminating obscene photos and you know, 462 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 7: things like that, and it does have a penalty, but 463 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 7: it's really geared towards the person receiving it did not 464 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 7: want to receive it. The law that we have doesn't 465 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 7: necessarily address where the photograph came from. It only addresses 466 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 7: really like the recipient, someone who sees it if they're 467 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 7: offended by it. 468 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 2: So I don't want to pry into what was the 469 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: target of a subpoena. Duca's teakum, which is, you know, 470 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 2: typically we hear about subpoenas for you to show up 471 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 2: to court a duke's teakem is to bring documents or objects. 472 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 2: But let me ask you this, in which direction do 473 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 2: you believe the grand jury is going. 474 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: Are they looking for some type of fraud. 475 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 2: Are they looking for transporting miners across state lines for 476 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 2: the purposes of sex? Are they looking for underage sex activity? 477 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 2: Where do you think they're headed? 478 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: And is it a federal grand jury or a local 479 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: grand jury? It was a federal grand jury. 480 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 7: And it was a subpoena che to appear with an 481 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 7: alternate to bring documents. 482 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 3: I want to make that clear. 483 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 7: And I was able to provide you with the waivers 484 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 7: so you don't have to appear before the grand jury. 485 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 7: I just submit all of my documents and the investigator, 486 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 7: excuse me, the agent that's assigned to it, and the prosecutor. 487 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 7: They're the ones that present it to the grand jury 488 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 7: in order to get the search for it. 489 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: Okay, guys. 490 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 2: In the midst of all of this, we are learning 491 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 2: that JB. Miller reportedly already has a girlfriend. 492 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 17: Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, is buzzing with rumors that Pastor 493 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 17: John Paul Miller is dating again and has possibly even remarried. 494 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 17: Miller was previously seen out to dinner with a member 495 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 17: of his congregation just four days after Micah Miller's suicide. 496 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 17: Less than twenty four hours after his home is rated 497 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 17: by the FBI, Miller is seen with the same woman 498 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 17: having lunch at McAllister's Delhi. This time, the pair cap 499 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 17: their distance and appear ten when entering and leaving the. 500 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 9: Restaurant, claiming he's still wearing the ring he wed Micah with, 501 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 9: Miller laughed off reporter's questions about his love life, saying 502 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 9: he's quote still dealing with Micah, still dealing with Micah. 503 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 2: His wife is dead and he refers to that as 504 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 2: still dealing with Micah. 505 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 11: You know. 506 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 2: Joining me is a well known a veteran law enforcement detective, 507 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 2: owner and chief investigator for Barry and Associates Investigation Services. 508 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 2: Barry Hutchinson is joining us and you can find him 509 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 2: online at Pibarrybarry dot com. Barry this thing stinks to 510 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 2: high Heaven, I mean, Barry this guy. Pastor Miller immediately 511 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: has a girlfriend after Micah's apparent suicide, and when asked 512 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 2: about it, he says, I'm still dealing with Micah. 513 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: That's not a good look. 514 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 2: No, it's not a crime, but it sure doesn't look 515 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 2: good when you're in the middle of a grand jury probe. 516 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 19: You know you made the comment of jumping out of 517 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 19: a frying pan into the fire. I want to add 518 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 19: something to you that you're not only are you doing that, 519 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 19: but you're doing it in gas soaked underwear. 520 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 7: You know, this. 521 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 19: Guy, he's you know, he's as dirty as they can 522 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 19: get they I agree with the thousand percent the guy 523 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 19: he's dirty. I mean, there's something wrong with this entire situation. 524 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 19: I can't say what I actually want to say about him, 525 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 19: but it's not a good situation. 526 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: I just leave it at that. Straight back out to 527 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: Lauren Colin joining us. Lauren the woman. 528 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 2: At issue, Okay, the one that he's having lunch with. 529 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 2: He's been spotted around town with her very soon after 530 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 2: Mike's suicide. Now question where exactly were they seen. 531 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: Most recently, it was. 532 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 10: At a restaurant a few days after Micah's death that 533 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 10: they were first seen by the public, and then the 534 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 10: day that JP's house got rated by the FBI, they 535 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 10: were seen having lunch. 536 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 2: Let me be clear, we cannot prove in any way 537 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 2: that these two are having an affair. For all I 538 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 2: know they're bonding over their respective spouses committing suicide. 539 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: We don't know that. 540 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 2: But what I do know is that Solid Rock Church 541 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 2: appears to be over listen. 542 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 9: It appears Pastor John Paul Miller and other staff members 543 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 9: are emptying Solid Rock Church, likely due to the scrutiny 544 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 9: of the organization is under while Miller faces accusations that 545 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 9: he drove his wife, Micah to suicide. Miller's Faith First 546 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 9: School is also cleared, with staff posting online that members 547 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 9: of the congregation are welcome to anything they want. Solid 548 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 9: Rock sign has also been taken down. 549 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace in new Bombshell papers, the 550 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: alleged victim in the civil lawsuit says she had been 551 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: attending Sunday School at Miller's father's church when the now 552 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: pastor John Paul Miller forced her into his father's office, 553 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: shutting the door behind them and immediately becoming aggressive and 554 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: overpowering her. She says she struggled. 555 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 2: And pled with him to stop, but he led her 556 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 2: from the office to outside the church, that she was 557 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 2: forced into his truck and raped. That was years ago, 558 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 2: but this twenty twenty three incident, according to her, sparked 559 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 2: the lawsuit, and it involved the pair meeting in Myrtle Beach. 560 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 2: While she was there with a friend, she says, Pastor 561 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 2: John Paul Miller leaned in to hug her and shoved 562 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,760 Speaker 2: his hand down her pants without her consent. 563 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 20: He so. 564 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 2: It also names All Nations Church, which was led by 565 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 2: his father, Reginald Wayne Miller, and against his own church Cathedral, 566 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 2: Baptists of the Grand Strand and Solid Rocke Ministries all 567 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 2: named as defendants. All this coming to light after the 568 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 2: death of his young wife, Micah Miller. I remember the 569 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 2: facts very well. 570 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,800 Speaker 17: Sarah McDougall says. Micah Miller did not kill herself, saying 571 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 17: we don't really know who pulled the trigger, and conceding 572 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 17: that Micah Miller may very well have. McDougall says, even 573 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 17: if Michah Miller did technically pull the trigger, Michah Miller 574 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 17: did not kill herself. McDougall says, sworn testimony of family 575 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 17: and friends confirms her non suicidal state of mind prior 576 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 17: to her death, and the fact that she had recently 577 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 17: shipped belongings to Africa to start fresh doing mission service overseas. 578 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 17: All points to Micah Miller not being suicidal at the 579 00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 17: time she killed herself. 580 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: The only one not to blame. I'm the only one 581 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: who tried to help her, keep her alive with me. 582 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 10: She never commits tor side with me. 583 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 6: She's happy, healthy, whole. 584 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: That last bit Miller speaking and claiming he's the only 585 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: one that kept her alive. 586 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 2: That's our friends at WPDEABC fifteen two. Doctor jan Gorniac 587 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 2: joining us a renowned medical examiner at the Clark County 588 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 2: Office of Coroner. 589 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: That's where she practiced most of her time. That's Vegas. 590 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 2: Never a lack of business in the morgue there, doctor Gorniac. 591 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 2: As of now, her death has been ruled as suicide. 592 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 2: To prove that, you're going to have to look at 593 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 2: a body that had been submerged in water. So how 594 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 2: would you find, for instance, stippling gunshot residue burning around 595 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 2: the wound, or gunshot residue on the hand, How would 596 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 2: you determine that's a suicide if all on the gunshot 597 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 2: residue is gone having been submerged in water, Doctor gorneant. 598 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 21: Well in order to determine manner death, and that's what 599 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,919 Speaker 21: we're talking about when we say suicide with something ruled 600 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,240 Speaker 21: a suicide, we're talking about manner death. The manner death 601 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 21: comes from the circumstances. So it's not just the body, 602 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 21: it's the circumstances that we have to know. So you 603 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:29,280 Speaker 21: said that you was in water, is the gun still there? 604 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 21: We also have to look into someone's medical history. Are 605 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 21: there any stressors? So, for instance, besides the medical history, 606 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 21: when you say medical history, you think about diabetes or 607 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 21: high blood pressure, but we also have to talk about 608 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 21: mental health history. And then also we always have to 609 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 21: ask has there been any suicide ideations, any talk about suicide? 610 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 21: Have there been any attempts at suicide prior attempts? So 611 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 21: all of that comes into play. 612 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 20: So we can look at We can look at the body. 613 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 20: Some of the stuff might be washed away, like you said, 614 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 20: the soot, but the skin is still going to be 615 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 20: burned if it's a close contact wound. Also we can 616 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 20: look at the bone. There might be foot on the 617 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 20: bone underneath, and that would say it's a close contact 618 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 20: wound also, But in order to call something a suicide, 619 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 20: it's more dependent on the circumstances than it is the 620 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 20: wound itself. But I mean, obviously we have to make 621 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,359 Speaker 20: sure the wound matches. Now we have a excuse me, 622 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 20: a gunshot wound that is a distant gunshot wound at 623 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,760 Speaker 20: the back of the head, most likely not a suicide. 624 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 20: So part of our job is to prove or disprove 625 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,919 Speaker 20: the circumstances. So a gunshot wound close contact, right to left, 626 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 20: left to right, whatever the direction is, that's more consistent 627 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,840 Speaker 20: with a suicide. But that's in conjunction with the circumstances. 628 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 2: Now interesting that in this case, doctor Gorniac, her own 629 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 2: family said that she feared for her life, that she 630 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 2: would never make it through the divorce alive. Those are 631 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 2: Micah's words, not mine. We have PRESDA in the US 632 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 2: regarding those individuals that drive someone obviously probatively drive someone 633 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 2: to suicide, like Michelle Carter. 634 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,360 Speaker 9: Conrad Roy, then Michelle Carter connect over both being diagnosed 635 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 9: with depression, and when Roy tells Carter he wants to 636 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 9: kill himself, she encourages him to do it, deciding to 637 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 9: use a generator in his truck and die by carbon monoxide. 638 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 9: Michelle Carter helps him decide on where to park his 639 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 9: truck so he could die as carbon monoxide begins to 640 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 9: fill his strug cabin. Conrad Roy the Third gets out, 641 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 9: texting Michelle Carter he'll do it another day. Carter texts 642 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 9: to Roy are challenging, telling him he overthinks things. Carter texts, Roy, 643 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 9: you just said you were gonna do it tonight and 644 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 9: now you're saying eventually. Carter tells Roy to get back 645 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 9: in the truck. Authorities discovered the body of Conrad Roy 646 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 9: the Third in his pickup truck parked outside of kmart 647 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 9: and fair Haven message JUSS the next day. He was eighteen. 648 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 2: She was prosecuted for driving her very young and inexperienced 649 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 2: boyfriend to suicide. 650 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,399 Speaker 1: If you had seen the text that she sent him, 651 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: just do it. 652 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 2: What are you waiting for? Are you going to do it? Well, 653 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 2: he did it and now he's dead and she went 654 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:23,320 Speaker 2: to jail. Mimi argue that Pastor Miller drove his wife 655 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 2: to suicide. 656 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 9: Listen, Michah Miller's best friend remembers being dragged into one 657 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,879 Speaker 9: of many marital fights instigated by loving husband Pastor John 658 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 9: Paul Miller. Charlotte Corn finds herself in a group tanks 659 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 9: with the couple after Miller presses Micah on an odd question. 660 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,360 Speaker 2: Okay, baiting, baiting her, but this is what happened. 661 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 1: Talk about a head gang. Listen. 662 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 9: Miller continues on this tirade, spiraling into a huge fight. 663 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,720 Speaker 9: Micah leaves to cool off, and that's when Miller threatens 664 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 9: to follow Micah to her sister's home, well armed, and 665 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 9: donate all of Micah's belongings if she doesn't return home immediately. 666 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,719 Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand something, Regina Ward, this is just 667 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 2: one of the many mind games pastor Miller reportedly, I'm 668 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 2: sure he would deny all of this if he were 669 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,359 Speaker 2: to join us, which he declined, Regina Ward, baiting her 670 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 2: and then he turned it around on her. 671 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 7: Yes, that's a classic tactic control, a classic tactic of 672 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,800 Speaker 7: a control course of control person. They're always baiting, pushing, 673 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 7: pushing tribes ideas in your head to make you feel crazy, 674 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 7: to get you to come in to their little snare 675 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 7: so then they can whip it around on you. It's 676 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 7: a coercal control tactic excuse quite frequently, and based on 677 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 7: the evidence that I have that Michael left with me. 678 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 7: In the history of mister Miller, this was nothing unusual. 679 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,800 Speaker 7: It was it the first time, and probably wasn't the 680 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 7: last time, and I wouldn't be surprised if he used 681 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,759 Speaker 7: the same type of tactics on her on the day 682 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 7: that she passed. 683 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 13: After Micah's tires have been slashed and a GPS tracker 684 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,360 Speaker 13: is removed from her car, she gets an apology email 685 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,280 Speaker 13: from John Paul Miller. In the apology email, pastor John 686 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 13: Paul Miller tells his estranged wife, quote, when someone hurts me, 687 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 13: I try to hurt them back rather than forgive. He 688 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,799 Speaker 13: goes on to say, quote instead of forgiving you, I 689 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 13: just attack and try to cause pain. 690 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 2: A GPS tracker placed on her car, her tires slashed, 691 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 2: Was she driven to commit suicide? 692 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: And that's not all? Listen. 693 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 16: Micah contacted police after her estranged husband posted an indecent 694 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 16: photo of her on a Facebook group called Big Boobs 695 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 16: and Nice Curves. Police told Micah since the photo was 696 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 16: posted anonymously, there was nothing they could do. John Paul 697 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 16: Miller apologized to Micah via email, telling her I'm sorry 698 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,320 Speaker 16: for putting a picture of you on the internet. He added, 699 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,839 Speaker 16: I just wanted to try and hurt you. He also 700 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 16: included it was evil of me to do that. 701 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 2: Hey know doctor Marlena raiba is with US forensic psychologist 702 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 2: and rear Its consultant. Doctor Marlena part of part of 703 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:12,760 Speaker 2: the whole series of assaults in the sense of slashing tires, 704 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 2: putting a track, or posting her semi nude on some 705 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:21,840 Speaker 2: fetish website, is that it's someone that you trust and 706 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,279 Speaker 2: that you love, which in my mind makes it so 707 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:26,240 Speaker 2: much worse. 708 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,760 Speaker 15: If you're absolutely correct, And I think when you're thinking 709 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,280 Speaker 15: about someone with these sort of personality characteristics that are 710 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 15: that do align sort of with narcissism and kind of 711 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 15: this very egocentric way of being, right, there's this need 712 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:50,800 Speaker 15: of control. They tend to disregard the feelings of others. 713 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:56,400 Speaker 15: They're insensitive to the memory of Mica, and so you know, 714 00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 15: even some of the behaviors that we saw in in 715 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 15: the church, right, a lot of that seems to mimic 716 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,120 Speaker 15: some of those behaviors. And you're right in that it 717 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 15: is so much worse because that person is sort of 718 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:17,919 Speaker 15: taking that person's on that individual's vulnerabilities and exploiting them. 719 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:22,360 Speaker 2: Melissa five for joining us who has been outside the 720 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:29,760 Speaker 2: church protesting Melissa, what exactly about all of this makes 721 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 2: you feel you need to go out and. 722 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:38,840 Speaker 6: Protest everything, everything that Micah has said. We all of 723 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,680 Speaker 6: us that are out there protesting. We believe Micah, and. 724 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,879 Speaker 11: She's not here anymore. And I believe that if if 725 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 11: we stay quiet, and I believe that this will will 726 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 11: be washed away. It needs attention. It can't just we 727 00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,240 Speaker 11: can't play bystander effect. 728 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 2: We know that a grandeur is meeting and the target 729 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 2: of that grand jury is John Paul Miller. 730 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:07,920 Speaker 1: We also know. 731 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,120 Speaker 2: That MICA's death has been ruled a suicide. 732 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 1: We wait as just as simpoles. 733 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:20,840 Speaker 2: And let me remind everyone in our country, you are innocent, 734 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:26,759 Speaker 2: absolutely innocent, until you are proven guilty beyond a reasonable 735 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:32,440 Speaker 2: doubt in a court of law. As of right now, 736 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 2: Miller is innocent in the eyes of the law. 737 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 1: Let's just see what happens. 738 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:46,360 Speaker 2: Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend.