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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Old New Papa's Perspective Podcast. It's brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Bob's Discount Furniture, the official furniture store

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Speaker 1: and match's partner of the New York Giants. Joined by

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Speaker 1: the Voice of the New York Football Giants, Bob Papa,

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmelk. This is a limited run ten

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Speaker 1: week podcast. Every week every Wednesday for the remainder of

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Speaker 1: the season, before Giants game, we are going to take

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Speaker 1: a look back at some of Bob's most memorable calls

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Speaker 1: against the opponent the Giants play that upcoming week. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk about the game, some of the announcers involved in

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Speaker 1: those games, and just the historical perspective that those calls provide,

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Speaker 1: and some of the players involved, and anything else that

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Speaker 1: might come up that could be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Of course, this podcast will be found on the Giants

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Speaker 1: which can be found at Giants dot com, slash Podcast,

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Speaker 1: on the Giants Mobile app, and of course on all

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Speaker 1: your favorite podcast platforms. Now we're joined by the Voice

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Speaker 1: of the Giants. He is the one only Bob Popa

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Speaker 1: Bob I can't wait to take this trip down memory

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Speaker 1: lane with you. Yeah, John, looking forward to it and

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Speaker 1: first up as the Kansas City Chiefs. And despite the

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Speaker 1: fact that the Chiefs are an a f C team

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Speaker 1: that the Giants play once every four years, they certainly

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Speaker 1: have had some intriguing and memorable matchups over the course

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Speaker 1: of time. And obviously, you know one of them is

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Speaker 1: a historical one. And the fact that that was the

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Speaker 1: first game that the Giants played after the nine eleven

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Speaker 1: that was a very surreal experience on a lot of

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Speaker 1: different levels. Yeah, it was about a lot more than

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Speaker 1: just football. Here are two of the big plays in

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Speaker 1: that game. We have a Sean Williams interception which set

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Speaker 1: up a Ron Dame touchdown run Bob, which gave the

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Speaker 1: Giants attend nothing lead. They would not surrender brain back

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Speaker 1: to the ten looks to the back of the end zone,

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Speaker 1: big interception by Sean Williams in the back of the

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Speaker 1: end zone as they were a king on the tight end.

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Speaker 1: Done and the Giants turn it right back over. It

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Speaker 1: ends to the right. Giants in their road white offset,

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Speaker 1: I left table and motion to the right. Collins gets

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Speaker 1: for Dane running right. Parker the lead block Dane to

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Speaker 1: Dane that we drafted number one last year. More comfortable

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Speaker 1: this year. And Bob, we'll get to the other stuff first.

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Speaker 1: But the football part of this. The Giants were coming

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Speaker 1: know that Sean Williams interception was big because when you

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Speaker 1: Collins had thrown an interception, So you know, the team

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Speaker 1: the game, So every play was critical. And I remember

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Speaker 1: the day quite vividly because of you know, everything else

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Speaker 1: And we heard Dick Lynch's voice obviously on the call,

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Speaker 1: you know, Tiki was not part of the Super Bowl

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