Speaker 1: Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of the Black Effect
Speaker 1: and I Heart Radio and his Drink Chess motherfucking podcast.
Speaker 1: He's a legendary queen's rapper. He's like, that's your boy
Speaker 1: in no R. He's a Miami hip popper, pioneer. Up
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Speaker 1: Radio Drink Chess minix up where mediaf and started this show.
Speaker 1: We started and we said we wanted to give people,
Speaker 1: you know, the flowers. That is season of its legends.
Speaker 1: And when we're talking about legends, we're talking about real
Speaker 1: people who create, who paved the way for both of
Speaker 1: us to be here. These dudes have told all over
Speaker 1: the world. They told like restless, I feel like there
Speaker 1: was thew These guys has transition, has stayed who they are,
Speaker 1: but crossed over, but stay who they are. The first
Speaker 1: people to light up in anywhere on stage, especially Saturday
Speaker 1: Night Live. Had we watched that. I watched the documentary.
Speaker 1: These guys are legends, a legends. They paved the way.
Speaker 1: If you are Latino, if you are a smoke man,
Speaker 1: if you are a person who loved music, if you're
Speaker 1: a person who loved raving, all this, all that, that
Speaker 1: ship is just all combined together for the most selling
Speaker 1: Latino group of all times. When we had to google
Speaker 1: it myself in case you don't know who the we're
Speaker 1: talking about, we talked about our homies, our family. The
Speaker 1: one thing watching the documentary is one of the first
Speaker 1: things I noticed is it was Cyper's av It's not
Speaker 1: Cypress Hill, right, So why did your name is Cypress
Speaker 1: Hills if it was all Cypress? Okay? So, like before
Speaker 1: we really got on, we were called dv X right,
Speaker 1: Devastating Vocal Excellence. As corny as it might be, that's
Speaker 1: what it was. But when we got on, we had
Speaker 1: to change our name to something. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Mugs was constantly bringing East Coast music over to to
Speaker 1: send Dog and myself and one of the one of those,
Speaker 1: uh one of those albums was Wild Style. It was
Speaker 1: the soundtrack for the movie and uh In. In one
Speaker 1: of those joints, um ram Melz references Cypress Hill. He
Speaker 1: lives send dog lived on Cypress av So we thought
Speaker 1: Cypress Hill. But there is a hill, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. No, there's a street. There's another street down.
Speaker 1: I lived on Dearborn. Yeah, yeah, really, Lollipop the preschool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I went to that school. No, no ship, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, that just seemed like the natural
Speaker 1: way to go. So that's why a lot of people
Speaker 1: thought we were from the East Coast in the beginning,
Speaker 1: because of that little flip right there. You know. Otherwise
Speaker 1: we've been called Cypress Avenue or some other ship. It fits.
Speaker 1: It fits because when I looked at the damn it
Speaker 1: Cypress have I said, how did they get Cypress Hills?
Speaker 1: So it never dawned on me. Well, let's go straight
Speaker 1: to you. It's I was coming to dressing room. They
Speaker 1: tell you not to stop smoking because you were smoking. Now,
Speaker 1: I was rolling out the documentary. It was rehearsal. I
Speaker 1: was rolling up a rehearsal, rolling up the day before.
Speaker 1: This is the day. It was the day, and I
Speaker 1: was like, don't smoke Okay, I ain't gonna smoke, but
Speaker 1: were you smoking? Not yet? Okay, so they just smelled
Speaker 1: it on you. And that was like, well they knew
Speaker 1: what they knew, something was gonna happen because we're being
Speaker 1: Sony Columbia smoking. Nobody was smoking Columbia records, but Downyana
Speaker 1: would be like the ciper still leave him alone. Wherever
Speaker 1: we went, we was. We was blazing and getting kicked
Speaker 1: out of hotels everything. So I'm just rolling up and
Speaker 1: you know, it was like don't smoke, don't smoke, don't smoke.
Speaker 1: It's like dressing room and dress then, and they said
Speaker 1: don't slide up on stage. All right? Cool. After a while,
Speaker 1: I was like, man, funk damn. You know, because we
Speaker 1: were young and aggressive, we just really didn't give a funk.
Speaker 1: We're trying to figure this whole music shot out and
Speaker 1: be fucking courteous, you know what I mean, to be
Speaker 1: nice and try to fit in and that right, But
Speaker 1: still were young and still aggressive and were like and fun,
Speaker 1: these motherfucker's my light up and we'll Saturday in New
Speaker 1: York this time, because you know it's crazy. Now New
Speaker 1: York passed the bill where you could actually like I
Speaker 1: would have got. The last six months, i've been going
Speaker 1: back home, I've been smoking right in front of program.
Speaker 1: It's the weirdest in the world. That's why they should
Speaker 1: have us back. Now there's my point, you know, you
Speaker 1: know what the original plan was to that, you know,
Speaker 1: But because they kept antagonizing him with not smoking, we
Speaker 1: were like we had been doing shows at that time
Speaker 1: where we were destroying our set at the end of tables,
Speaker 1: the turn tables burning, Bobo's cone goes on fire, like
Speaker 1: this is how Cypress Hill ends the show, right, And
Speaker 1: we were ending tours like that, and then we started
Speaker 1: doing it every show. We bought these shitty turntables mugs
Speaker 1: with unplug a swath them out at the end and
Speaker 1: we'd fucking smashed the set. So the plan was to
Speaker 1: do this on Saturday Night Live, smoke at the end,
Speaker 1: but they kept working with him and he said, fuck it,
Speaker 1: he went, we had to do it at the beginning
Speaker 1: because I know they might cut the TV right, so
Speaker 1: we didn't want to do it the first song. It
Speaker 1: was the second I don't range against the Machine was
Speaker 1: on there and they was talking they was gonna do something.
Speaker 1: They cut them off before their second song, So I
Speaker 1: was like, we got to do it at the second
Speaker 1: song so they don't cut us off live, right, So
Speaker 1: when I lit up there, everybody knew that already that
Speaker 1: he was gonna do that. Pretty much. We all had
Speaker 1: joints ready so that when we wrecked the set, we
Speaker 1: were going to stand over the aftermath of it and
Speaker 1: make that statement. But they kept working with him, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I could relate to that
Speaker 1: because you know, we we come from that punk rock
Speaker 1: state of mind where like, if you tell us not to,
Speaker 1: we're going to and funk now, funk the plan. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna really show you that we're going to. And he
Speaker 1: did it off the rip, and you know what, for
Speaker 1: as much ship as we got for it and we
Speaker 1: got banned. Is one of the most re ran fucking episodes.
Speaker 1: And they don't cut his part out and just kept
Speaker 1: kept smoking the like that adds to our myth, you know,
Speaker 1: in our legend. I think you know that we would
Speaker 1: do some ship like that, you know, and that he
Speaker 1: would take that risk right there, and uh, you know
Speaker 1: it added to our story. Man in a in a
Speaker 1: in a cool way as opposed to a fucking l
Speaker 1: We took. No, we fucking got a w off that
Speaker 1: because at that time, and it says it in a documentary,
Speaker 1: were you guys actually the first people to light up
Speaker 1: on stage? I don't know if it's a hip hop
Speaker 1: act as as a hip hop act, most likely, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, because obviously people were making references as we were,
Speaker 1: and we were speaking to it, you know, from the rip.
Speaker 1: But I don't remember what was the first show, but
Speaker 1: someone through a joint on stage, because that would happen
Speaker 1: to us, We get joints rained down. One day, I
Speaker 1: picked one up and I lit it up, and people
Speaker 1: went fucking crazy for it because they hadn't seen someone
Speaker 1: light up on stage. So I started doing the ship
Speaker 1: everywhere with my own weed though, because like that's how
Speaker 1: I'm hearing records. Everybody was talking about don't smoke, like,
Speaker 1: don't smoke, I don't brain damage break down said, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was off expression brain damage. But I mean after that, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, because so many so many yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: so many people had the wrong information for so many years,
Speaker 1: and we fucking actually learned it and we're like providing it,
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, it flipped people. It It made
Speaker 1: people have a different outlook, and I think that's why
Speaker 1: it went from that to now the chronic like, oh ship,
Speaker 1: maybe these dudes are onto something. So I think we
Speaker 1: opened people's minds on that ship just because we were
Speaker 1: so blatantly upfront with it, because there was who we were.
Speaker 1: It was nothing planning, you know, like we gotta be
Speaker 1: this because there's nothing there in that lane. This is
Speaker 1: just who we were. We smoked a lot of weed.
Speaker 1: We love to do music, and we didn't give off
Speaker 1: fun got down usually down our House of Pain. Oh boys.
Speaker 1: That's when I first met Cypress. This they're opening up
Speaker 1: for the checking Head tour and I was playing with them,
Speaker 1: and then uh, they came on the last couple of
Speaker 1: weeks in the tour, and then I first met Sin
Speaker 1: and then before you know it, I started hanging out
Speaker 1: on their bus more than I was with the Beastie Boys.
Speaker 1: So you know, uh, they had a better weed, you know.
Speaker 1: So uh, you know, it just all came together like that,
Speaker 1: and then before you know it, you know, uh that
Speaker 1: asked me to do the sold Assassin to a ninety
Speaker 1: three that was with Folk Dubious House of Pain Hooligan's
Speaker 1: you know, And it all started from there. Wow, that's
Speaker 1: the beating us. And it was crazy when we were
Speaker 1: on that Beastie Boyd tour. We was making ten twenty
Speaker 1: thousand and nine, and the Beastie Boys was like, you
Speaker 1: want to open up, will give you five a night.
Speaker 1: We looked at each other, We was like, fun, let's
Speaker 1: go steal all their fans. Will sell more records, will
Speaker 1: get our publishing checks will get bigger. Let's go. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you're b is the audience, and you know, and
Speaker 1: and and salute to them for taking the chance and
Speaker 1: bringing us on because of me. You know, they had
Speaker 1: put us on the show with them in New York,
Speaker 1: remember that at the Octagon Club or something, and was
Speaker 1: the building. There was the building, that's the building. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're we're still like up and coming, but there we're
Speaker 1: on the bubble. At this point in the Beastie's or
Speaker 1: someone in their camp says, we should have cypers to
Speaker 1: open for you guys, blah blah blah. So we we
Speaker 1: go and this is the first time now because this
Speaker 1: was before lot of PLUSA and all that ship, we
Speaker 1: go and do this and now people are washing and
Speaker 1: stage diving and doing all that crazy ship to our music.
Speaker 1: And the Beast at the Beastie Boys show, and I
Speaker 1: think that's kind of they saw that and that opened
Speaker 1: it up for us to open up for them on
Speaker 1: the Check Your Head Tour, which because I think you
Speaker 1: guys kind of like invented like like raps other than
Speaker 1: Beast the Boys rappers, you know, dominating these festivals back then.
Speaker 1: Festivals was like it was just it was just like
Speaker 1: it was. It was the first hip hop coop to
Speaker 1: headline reading big festival in England. It was one of
Speaker 1: their big historical it's makes genre, you know, and for
Speaker 1: hip hop to headline it that was big at the time.
Speaker 1: Just turntables, right, it wasn't you didn't have the band yet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just turned it. That's crazy. That's now amongst you
Speaker 1: was born in Queens Ain't going watched the documentary I
Speaker 1: Claimed You a Media, Jamaica hospital between Jackson Heights and Flushing,
Speaker 1: who my grandparents and my aunt lived there and then
Speaker 1: moved to l A, you know, like seventh grade. So
Speaker 1: how was that culture? Shock? Weird? Weird at fu? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? For me could be being able
Speaker 1: to jump on a bus or a train and and
Speaker 1: and move and just being around culture in New York
Speaker 1: to go into l A and being like just stuck,
Speaker 1: just stuck, and it was slow and it was and
Speaker 1: you said, from what part of Queens You just said,
Speaker 1: Jackson Heights. Jackson Heights. Okay, damn that that's really that's
Speaker 1: really Columbia. Uh yeah, so you go from there to play.
Speaker 1: I moved to Bell Gardens and it was it was
Speaker 1: pretty much like Southeast Los Angeles, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: um Mexicans. And I was like, this is a little
Speaker 1: bit different from because yeah, man, any chance I can
Speaker 1: get back. So Christmas vacation, I get on the Greyhound
Speaker 1: and go home. Go back to New York. Some a vacation,
Speaker 1: Get on the Greyhound three days, nine and nine dollars,
Speaker 1: go back to New York for the summer. Every time,
Speaker 1: just go back. But then, you know, just bringing that
Speaker 1: culture back, Start bringing the culture back, bringing the pro
Speaker 1: heads back and the Lee jeans and the Latigras and
Speaker 1: do rags. And then I start bringing you know, when
Speaker 1: I met the homies here, like start bringing the records back.
Speaker 1: Rock Kim when he was on Zankia Records and the
Speaker 1: Bridge him, she shanned records like this ship was one
Speaker 1: records I bring all the ships back and the records
Speaker 1: wasn't in l A yet. Nobody had him yet, so
Speaker 1: we were waiting. Yeah, we were. We were so ahead
Speaker 1: of the kid. We we had we we we had
Speaker 1: a little, a little advantage, you know, as far as
Speaker 1: the culture was, you know what I mean. And then
Speaker 1: being sent would fly back to New York with me.
Speaker 1: His his dad worked for Delta Airlines, so they get
Speaker 1: free flights. So they fly back to New York. They
Speaker 1: stay with me and Queen's and we go hang out,
Speaker 1: drive down the Philly with Clark. Can't hang out with said,
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I knew him and I forgot metal Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you're part of the group at one point, but
Speaker 1: he had gotten signed before we got on, so you know, right,
Speaker 1: so he popped off his own thing and you know,
Speaker 1: Sanding Muggs and I popped off Cypress Hill. Your has
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Speaker 1: my younger brother. And you know, he did his thing.
Speaker 1: You know, he and I had success and a kind
Speaker 1: of mortar showed us that it was attainable to us
Speaker 1: as well, type of ship and uh and along the
Speaker 1: way we learned from you know, what he didn't do
Speaker 1: right or what he did right or whatever, and you know,
Speaker 1: we came up behind that. But originally when I first
Speaker 1: started my first band, I wasn't like, uh my first
Speaker 1: hip hop group. I was like in high school still
Speaker 1: and Mellow was my Ryan partner, and uh, it was
Speaker 1: all behind because I saw run DMC on Soul Train,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and I was like, these
Speaker 1: are the dudes. We got to be like these guys,
Speaker 1: you know, So we started doing our own thing with
Speaker 1: DJ Julio G. Yeah and um and then it let
Speaker 1: that led to you know, always somebody in the mix
Speaker 1: doing something together or apart or but it was always
Speaker 1: this crew right here. It could have been a combination
Speaker 1: to meet him and him or him him or whatever,
Speaker 1: but there was always something in the works. There was
Speaker 1: never anything any point where like we were not like
Speaker 1: actively trying to record or do something, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And it all started from from that point.
Speaker 1: And that was like when I first started, it was like,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I was I was still
Speaker 1: in high school at that point. That was I was
Speaker 1: doing my thing, you know, I was just trying to
Speaker 1: I knew that there was something there and get me
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So that's what we that's what we
Speaker 1: always that's what we always strive for on the block.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you as a question real quick, because
Speaker 1: your first video was shot in New York, right, No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. What was what was the Funky Field one,
Speaker 1: which is the first one shot downtown l A. Looked
Speaker 1: like New York. I did in an alley that sort
Speaker 1: of looked like it could be East Coast, just right.
Speaker 1: Um kill a Man, which is the second video that
Speaker 1: was New York that was like and hand on the
Speaker 1: park killing man. We we went in different locations. We
Speaker 1: were up in Harlem, we were on Times Square over
Speaker 1: there bi Aster Asters place, and one other spot I
Speaker 1: can't remember. And then um hand on the pump was
Speaker 1: Red Hook, Brooklyn, So that's why still it was yes,
Speaker 1: but it was Red Hood, Brooklyn. And that's another reason
Speaker 1: that people thought we were from scause that was my
Speaker 1: next cutes have been there, but then Cube was in there.
Speaker 1: That was the Cube showed up random that it was
Speaker 1: random and they told me prodigy and have it just
Speaker 1: got out of school and they was there, the um there,
Speaker 1: ice Cube both random or they were all random. So
Speaker 1: we didn't know any of these dudes, right, like no
Speaker 1: personal relationship. First, we had never met Cube, we only
Speaker 1: or something. So how he knew from a knew that.
Speaker 1: Let's backtrack EPMD, let's playing our ship for everybody, ice
Speaker 1: Cube being one of him. So he hears about us
Speaker 1: and and you know, he becomes a fan according to
Speaker 1: the story, right, and he comes to New York for
Speaker 1: some promo ship or something he was doing in New York.
Speaker 1: He heard we were doing the video over it, asked
Speaker 1: or you know the Cube, where is that at it?
Speaker 1: That's Aster's place right. The Cube desit downtown. He hears
Speaker 1: we're there and he comes down right say, um, Q Tip,
Speaker 1: he just happened to get off the train and he
Speaker 1: was walking through. Saw it. U MC has heard about it.
Speaker 1: They came through and uh, Tim Dog was the only one.
Speaker 1: I think that was by Sony. They knew we were
Speaker 1: doing the video, so they Tim Dog from New York.
Speaker 1: So everybody else was just random because we didn't know.
Speaker 1: We didn't have a relationship with it with any of
Speaker 1: these guys yet, you know, we we were fans of them,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, But we didn't know him,
Speaker 1: and they came out and supported and that that built,
Speaker 1: like the relationship with Q Tip and Ice Cube and
Speaker 1: you know, and and even the UMCS for a minute.
Speaker 1: I mean, those were our boys. Whenever we come to
Speaker 1: the to the East coast, there was and Brand Nubius,
Speaker 1: but they weren't in the video, but just saying out
Speaker 1: with our ship was out for six months before we
Speaker 1: started popping, but everybody knew we was like the underground heroes,
Speaker 1: but it took six months before everything just came together.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like York. We was popping in New York,
Speaker 1: stretching while Beata was playing us this is a beautiful
Speaker 1: I mean, let me cut you up and what's like,
Speaker 1: this is a beautiful thing because me and if we
Speaker 1: always had this debate back then, how New York didn't
Speaker 1: show love, but this is this is the opposite exception
Speaker 1: on the rule, right, because West Coast right. And then
Speaker 1: we did video a couple of right. You know, as
Speaker 1: the hip hop group goes from the West Coast, we
Speaker 1: came unorthodox. People expected us to sound like gangster rap,
Speaker 1: and we sounded nothing like. It was gangster, but it
Speaker 1: was not that in that genre. It was more looked
Speaker 1: at its hip hop. And because of that East Coast
Speaker 1: flavor that Mugs brought to the table in terms of
Speaker 1: the production and send Dog and I, you know, doing
Speaker 1: a hybrid New York slash fucking l a slang on it,
Speaker 1: no one could really tell, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So we got away with with a good one on Motherfucker's.
Speaker 1: But again, you know, because he was showing us all
Speaker 1: this music that was coming out that we didn't get
Speaker 1: on the radio back home. We were ahead of the
Speaker 1: game and so that that all played a part in
Speaker 1: all that, not just New York because when you get
Speaker 1: in New York, you get the whole were the first
Speaker 1: Motherfucker's and then once we shot the Killer Man video,
Speaker 1: we started getting on MTV reps like two or three
Speaker 1: times a week, and you know, that ship was like
Speaker 1: the only watch you know what I mean, the box
Speaker 1: and then she just started taking off, you know, you
Speaker 1: know what, you know what's crazy about the stretching Barbado ship,
Speaker 1: right and and and it speaks to this in their documentary.
Speaker 1: We went up there and you know this is no
Speaker 1: one knew us yet. This was like a total promo
Speaker 1: run and they asked us to do a freestyle and
Speaker 1: my freestyle was crap. You know, I wasn't ready for it.
Speaker 1: My mind wasn't there, and I was slightly intimidated because
Speaker 1: I'm in mecca of hip hop, you know, in New York,
Speaker 1: and you know I'm a West Coast kid, like I
Speaker 1: got confidence, but in that moment, I didn't do my
Speaker 1: best work right And so Motherfucker's was like not feeling
Speaker 1: us that day. But they said a week later, when
Speaker 1: that Killing Man ship pop, all the Motherfucker's it was
Speaker 1: hating on us start calling in for the fucking record
Speaker 1: and that ship sort of you know, started to kill
Speaker 1: a man bubble right there. Do you think that that
Speaker 1: some of those mysteries that people didn't really know where
Speaker 1: y'all were from, what the background was, kind of helped
Speaker 1: in a way. I liked that I missed the mystery
Speaker 1: of things because your mind, when you creative, you start
Speaker 1: making a He's on things in your head that are
Speaker 1: bigger than life. You know what I'm saying. No, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, even as a young dude looking
Speaker 1: at it the way I dressed, I can still feel
Speaker 1: that Los Angeles, although, like you know, it was like
Speaker 1: look like a New York thing. I could just feel
Speaker 1: that Los Angeles. It's just like send a shirt like
Speaker 1: you just you just know, like I can wear that
Speaker 1: same shirt that the rest of the country, maybe you
Speaker 1: and New York automatically, but like even me and I'm
Speaker 1: and you know, first I guess cipper soon and it's
Speaker 1: like man, I think it's they're saying l A stuff
Speaker 1: and you know, and then then the Latino aspect to
Speaker 1: like I'm Cuban, and at first I just think y'all
Speaker 1: are just Mexican coming out of l a dog go by,
Speaker 1: And then I hears hold up, I hear Cuban slanging
Speaker 1: this ship because I didn't even connect Mellow yet to
Speaker 1: you guys, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: holy ship, they Cuban too, and from South Kato. My
Speaker 1: head just blew the funk up right there. It was
Speaker 1: like what Muggs Muggs always um said this man, you
Speaker 1: know better to be mysterious because you know, it makes
Speaker 1: people want know you more and and do the homework
Speaker 1: on you. That's there's that mystery build up and ship,
Speaker 1: and back then that was awesome. You know, it helped
Speaker 1: because we didn't show our faces on covers and we
Speaker 1: even stopped going to clubs for a minute to be
Speaker 1: not so accessible, to to be that mystery and ship,
Speaker 1: and uh, it made it made motherfucker's want you more
Speaker 1: rather than being out all the fucking time and being
Speaker 1: super accessible and the motherfucker's getting to know your game
Speaker 1: and how you roll in all that ship and you know,
Speaker 1: sort of at that time that sort of played you out.
Speaker 1: So you know, for us, it was all about mystery.
Speaker 1: And we saw what the rock and metal heads would
Speaker 1: do on on their album covers and they rarely showed
Speaker 1: their faces always some obscure ship and we that we
Speaker 1: love that ship, right, So that that became our visuals
Speaker 1: for you know, our album covers, which I think is
Speaker 1: a whole other element that in hip hop. I don't
Speaker 1: think it was a strong like the way the imagery,
Speaker 1: the logo like all that just made it so much more.
Speaker 1: The record labels wanted to show the faces of the
Speaker 1: faces their marketing. Right here, let me show you these
Speaker 1: fresh fucking faces. This we want you to buy these guys, right,
Speaker 1: and you know, we just didn't do that. We were like,
Speaker 1: we see something else and that was thanks too much,
Speaker 1: just like by the vibe, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: by the vibe, that's what we was about, by the vibe,
Speaker 1: not by the faces. Like a lot of people didn't
Speaker 1: know what the funk? Who the funk? And you know
Speaker 1: you're dressing you on your cover and then that that
Speaker 1: that gears played out to look at the cover and
Speaker 1: the cover looks dated, you know what I mean? We
Speaker 1: just keep it timeless, and that logo just became iconic
Speaker 1: like forever. So let me ask y'all because like you know,
Speaker 1: we've seen run DMC and we've seen the Beastie Boys, right,
Speaker 1: but it was like y'all music like like even let's
Speaker 1: just like DMC doesn't have a record call you just
Speaker 1: Kill a Man? Yeah, that was like it's nothing, but
Speaker 1: it was different, like how did y'all have balance having
Speaker 1: a record called like how I could just kill a man?
Speaker 1: Still be on festivals and it's on the stage is
Speaker 1: like how the fun and no one's offended, like you
Speaker 1: guys who like it's like, it's crazy because the ship
Speaker 1: on the radio when we was making music with MC, hammer,
Speaker 1: Vanilla Ice, Jazz, jeffrom, the Fresh Prince and w A
Speaker 1: comes and were coming and when we come and kill
Speaker 1: a man, all of a sudden, that's on daytime radio.
Speaker 1: Andre's on daytime radio, and Snoops on daytime radio. Like
Speaker 1: for about those five years, it just done flipped up
Speaker 1: like a motherfucker. Sometimes when we're playing this song, I
Speaker 1: think just that, like how the fuck you know it? Well?
Speaker 1: You know it's still it's justified how you kill a man? Right? Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a trip, you know. I didn't expect that to
Speaker 1: be you know what what it became. I don't think
Speaker 1: any of us did. We knew we had something, but
Speaker 1: we didn't know what what was gonna hit and you know,
Speaker 1: thanks to the DJs. Salute to all the DJ's that
Speaker 1: flipped that record and and hit that that song because
Speaker 1: it was a double a sign funky Feel one and
Speaker 1: how I could just kill him then. But at the time,
Speaker 1: because we're a you know, a group that talks about
Speaker 1: weed and its hip hop and we're talking about some
Speaker 1: violent ship, they choose. They chose to push as and
Speaker 1: Sony chose to push Um Funky Field one because they
Speaker 1: figured that was more marketable and it was cool, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't really resonating. That's why that first six months
Speaker 1: no one knew who the funk we were. And then
Speaker 1: DJ's flipped that record and to add on to that,
Speaker 1: you had the Juice soundtrack right that, you know, it
Speaker 1: makes it makes it the time frame with Chuck Chuck
Speaker 1: d and the Bomb Squad were doing the score and
Speaker 1: the music for that, they heard out I Could just
Speaker 1: kill a man and they were like, that's got to
Speaker 1: be the main song and I need to know the story.
Speaker 1: I mean so like so, the combination of the DJ's
Speaker 1: flipping that song and the momentum that was getting on
Speaker 1: the mixed shows every day play it wasn't getting rotation play,
Speaker 1: but it was getting mixed show heavy mix show play,
Speaker 1: and then the video starts hitting. I mean, fuck, what
Speaker 1: was crazy is that we were on tour with Naughty
Speaker 1: by Nature and we hadn't made a video to kill
Speaker 1: a man yet or hand on the pump, but the
Speaker 1: song starting to go right and this is just before
Speaker 1: this is before juice. This is like when the mixed
Speaker 1: shows start playing the ship. They pull us off the
Speaker 1: road to film those two videos. I think we were
Speaker 1: in Virginia or something like that, and Sony makes the
Speaker 1: call pull him off the road. They gotta come to
Speaker 1: two days to film such and such and such and
Speaker 1: such kill a man in hand on the pump. So
Speaker 1: we knock it out, jump back on the road with
Speaker 1: Naughty and continue to fucking move and then eventually this
Speaker 1: juice thing happens propels the fucking song. This is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's yeah, as we released in August, so it
Speaker 1: was yeah, it was probably early two, right somewhere around there,
Speaker 1: or no, that had to be like late ninety one
Speaker 1: because it was O P P. That was the big
Speaker 1: song at that time and we were we were opening
Speaker 1: for them at that time. Like Tretch was always family
Speaker 1: with us, and they wanted us to come on and
Speaker 1: overly for them, speaking about the Juice sound track. Each
Speaker 1: oh yeah, well ye digital Underground, Digital Underground, there was
Speaker 1: our homies, so that they would come to l A.
Speaker 1: They call us. We'd roll up to the shows because
Speaker 1: technically Digital Underground isn't from l A. Yeah, and we
Speaker 1: we we knew them through a guy named Jerry Davis
Speaker 1: who worked for ASCAP, who was one of the guys
Speaker 1: that he was like the first believer in us, I think,
Speaker 1: so salute to fucking Jerry Davis. But he introduces us
Speaker 1: to money Be and and the rest of the guys.
Speaker 1: So we become friends, and like moug said, we'd go
Speaker 1: to their shows and stuff like that. And so when
Speaker 1: we got it on now and then when we go
Speaker 1: up to the Bay, you know, Park would come hang
Speaker 1: out with us and smoke us out sometimes just to
Speaker 1: go have our back. I remember one time we were
Speaker 1: having to show in Berkeley somewhere because y'all going Berkeley. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Boomy pulls out a big gass hand cannon
Speaker 1: and I fucking oounced to some green Bay area weed
Speaker 1: and was like I got your back, Like all right,
Speaker 1: let's go himself. Park himself, he didn't have a bunch
Speaker 1: of homies by himself, and he would come hang out
Speaker 1: with us and and he was one thousand about that ship,
Speaker 1: and you know we relate to that. We're like, hell yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go and uh ship. I remember one show we
Speaker 1: did with UM. We were opening for UM third Base.
Speaker 1: I think it was their last tour, their last big
Speaker 1: tour before they sort of went away. UM. It was
Speaker 1: us him Dog in Third Base and we were at
Speaker 1: the DNA lounge where we filmed eventually filmed UM Insane
Speaker 1: in the Brain years later. We filmed it there because
Speaker 1: it's historic place to us. Anyway, we're in this venue,
Speaker 1: Park shows up and uh, I remember this one dude
Speaker 1: getting dragged in the dressing room and beat up by
Speaker 1: these fools and throwing the right the funk out. It
Speaker 1: was like real on some ship to to you guys,
Speaker 1: did anybody could jump in on this one? Was Park
Speaker 1: the same guy from Digital Underground on on Death Row
Speaker 1: or that was two different individuals. He definitely evolved and
Speaker 1: you know, he saw things maybe a little bit different,
Speaker 1: and obviously he was rolling with a crazily different squad
Speaker 1: at that point. You know, I hadn't talked to him
Speaker 1: in that time when he was rolling with that squad,
Speaker 1: you know, because I mean we were constantly gone. I mean,
Speaker 1: next time I seen him, he was in New York
Speaker 1: with with the live squad sting them. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean yeah. Sometimes when we do, remember when they would
Speaker 1: do the Jack the Rappers and all those sorts of conventions,
Speaker 1: we'd all hang out together then, like you know, it'd
Speaker 1: be Tretch Park, the Brand, Nubians, Buster Um Tribe, well,
Speaker 1: Q Tips sometimes Fife, you know, and we'd all be
Speaker 1: up just chilling, smoking blunts back when I smoked blunts,
Speaker 1: and uh, we go to blunt with one hand. I
Speaker 1: used to be it with two. I haven't tried to
Speaker 1: when you're young. So let me ask you. I'll switching
Speaker 1: the subject a little bit. Um, How do you described
Speaker 1: just now like you're saying Buster Tribe like the way
Speaker 1: y'all the way it seems like it was. It was
Speaker 1: in this time there was no East coast, West coast,
Speaker 1: not for us, not for us. I used to come
Speaker 1: out the clubs in New York before we were signed,
Speaker 1: before Busting Them was signed. I'll be at I go
Speaker 1: to the Long Islan railroad to catch a train back
Speaker 1: there would be that I had the Cyperus Hill Demos
Speaker 1: are the leaders of the New school demos like early
Speaker 1: days like that, right, So so let me ask you
Speaker 1: all from the days going from there to this East
Speaker 1: Coast West Coast, how did y'all feel at that time?
Speaker 1: And y'all didn't. It didn't feel like a beef. I
Speaker 1: don't think it was West Coast. It was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: their motherfucker's right there, but there was nobody else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we never felt the heat of that, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because we you know, we know that we
Speaker 1: we we sprung off from the East Coast. If it
Speaker 1: wasn't for the East Coast accepting us first, um, we
Speaker 1: don't get on. It's like that old ship that they
Speaker 1: used to say. You know, if you can get on
Speaker 1: in the East Coast, you could get it on anywhere.
Speaker 1: You can make it there, you can make it anywhere, right,
Speaker 1: And that was true for us because the West Coast
Speaker 1: accepted us after the East Coast did. Because we were
Speaker 1: not a traditional West Coast group. They just weren't gonna
Speaker 1: get it unless y'all did. And so that's what happened
Speaker 1: for us. There. That's real. That's real because um, a
Speaker 1: lot of us grow up and that's all they know
Speaker 1: is this East Coast West Coast. But we just hearing
Speaker 1: you described that era, it was just like I just
Speaker 1: I went to a chi would be in New York,
Speaker 1: would be in the tunneling is that we kept rooted
Speaker 1: in New York, you know what I'm saying. Like up
Speaker 1: until the pandemic, we were doing a show that we
Speaker 1: call Haunted Hill there every October for like twenty how
Speaker 1: many years, bobo, like twenty two out of the thirty years,
Speaker 1: and we just stopped at the pandemic. So we're constantly
Speaker 1: going back and feeding that that core base that that
Speaker 1: was our East Coast family there, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So you know, we never felt all that ship about
Speaker 1: the East Coast and West Coast being We thought it
Speaker 1: was ridiculous. It's like that magazine print that said East
Speaker 1: Coast versus West Coast. But it wasn't the people. It
Speaker 1: only existed for certain groups that were actually beating. It
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the coast. The only you know,
Speaker 1: the only had it was was the proximity. These guys
Speaker 1: happened to be here, These guys are gonna be over here.
Speaker 1: But it's got nothing to do with the rest. But
Speaker 1: but but the media perpetuated something different and there's reasons
Speaker 1: for that. But that's a whole different conversation. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's great. No, But it was so dope to
Speaker 1: hear y'all speak like that, because, um, you know, people
Speaker 1: forget that times, people forget the times that it was like.
Speaker 1: You know, it's because I don't remember I was on
Speaker 1: depth dam at one point. This is after Biggie died
Speaker 1: and I would land and they just be like security,
Speaker 1: you gotta go, because it was just so on guard,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because after we always happened,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, you ever thought I
Speaker 1: was gonna get this serious? Though? Like once once they
Speaker 1: started beefend Well, you know, when when you got cats
Speaker 1: that that you know, they may not be the ones
Speaker 1: that are like still living that ship, but they got
Speaker 1: homies around them, It's it's bound to happen, right if
Speaker 1: if you got those kind of cats in your circle,
Speaker 1: Because somebody's gonna stand up for you even when you
Speaker 1: don't need them to, don't want them to, and don't
Speaker 1: expect him to and then that's when ship happens. You
Speaker 1: can't bring that gangster ship into the music. We're trying
Speaker 1: to get out of this situation to get into a
Speaker 1: better place and inspire motherfucker's to do the same thing, right,
Speaker 1: get out and do something better. And a lot of
Speaker 1: the times you see motherfucker as well. Since from about
Speaker 1: ninety six or ninety seven and up, you see a
Speaker 1: change where it's like more motherfucker's are talking about doing
Speaker 1: fucked up ship, and they're allowing this on the radio
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, where before they wouldn't allow us
Speaker 1: to talk and allow singles like this, you know. So
Speaker 1: now it's more about mindless ship, you know, and less substance.
Speaker 1: You listen to the music, some of it, there's some good.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's a lot of ship because you know,
Speaker 1: I spend two I learned from DJ Muggs from way
Speaker 1: back in the day when he was taking those trips
Speaker 1: back back East. I get on his turntables when I'd
Speaker 1: be watching you know, the crib, and so like I
Speaker 1: still funk with records today, I still spend so hit
Speaker 1: to what's going Yeah, So like that, there's there's some Yeah,
Speaker 1: you think a lot of new artists. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: stay fresh like that because you know what's out there,
Speaker 1: you know, And I think that's what keeps us all
Speaker 1: still sharp to this day, is that we listen to
Speaker 1: to ship, you know, Like Muggs told me, and I
Speaker 1: always say this, you know, if you want to be
Speaker 1: the best, you gotta listen to what the best is
Speaker 1: out there, no matter you know, how you think you are,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And so you have to
Speaker 1: keep doing that as you evolve as an artist and
Speaker 1: you you progress, so you know, we stay up on
Speaker 1: game like that. But there is a lot of garbage,
Speaker 1: but there always has been. There's always been as much
Speaker 1: specially just makes us sound better. Yeah, yeah, you need
Speaker 1: to garbage, you know what I mean. Even even even
Speaker 1: in our early days in the nineties, there was hip
Speaker 1: hop that was that ship, and then there was the
Speaker 1: ship we didn't listen to because it it wasn't slightly
Speaker 1: wasn't that ship, you know, I mean, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: there's plenty of records. I mean, but that's always a cycle.
Speaker 1: But it's all, you know, subjective, it's what you like, right.
Speaker 1: So there there's some some young artists that I foxed
Speaker 1: with and something that I definitely don't. Well, let me
Speaker 1: let you know, pick up to our people, Cherry Colorado.
Speaker 1: Let's give these. But you know, our show is about
Speaker 1: the show. Our show was about giving people their flowers
Speaker 1: while they alive, giving people their flowers. So we wanted
Speaker 1: to give each of every one of your your own flowers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, we're bringing flowers. Bring a kind of flowers.
Speaker 1: Cool where the flower? Right? You used to be able
Speaker 1: to roll the joint with one hand? Yeah, before we
Speaker 1: created the funky field tips. Yeah, would Yeah, I could.
Speaker 1: I could roll it with one hand because I heard
Speaker 1: joint both because I heard Willie Nelson could do it.
Speaker 1: So I would practice it and I eventually got it.
Speaker 1: It's a bitch man, you're cramp your hand will cramp
Speaker 1: the food. Yeah, can we see it? Can we see it?
Speaker 1: I've been not blocking nothing right. Wow. Joint relationship with
Speaker 1: Hot Times, well, you know Hot Times was like they
Speaker 1: were like, um, you know, they heard about this hip
Speaker 1: hop group that was championing cannabis, and so they wanted
Speaker 1: us on the cover and that sort of opened up
Speaker 1: the bridge between the cannabis community and hip hop right there.
Speaker 1: And then after that, you know that that that issue
Speaker 1: did so well, and we we built a strong relationship
Speaker 1: with them with High Times that they had other hip
Speaker 1: hop groups and we were the first one there, the
Speaker 1: other first a lot of things, and we did parties
Speaker 1: with High Times at the Wetlands, remember that spot, like smashing,
Speaker 1: like off the hook like this. I mean it's a
Speaker 1: little club, but it was jam packed. And when we
Speaker 1: were doing shows, uh for High Times, events like old
Speaker 1: school High Times events, the small ones with Chef Raw
Speaker 1: and all those dudes rest in peace, um man, they
Speaker 1: were fucking awesome shows, awesome parties at Wetlands packed like
Speaker 1: this and motherfucker's just rocking to to our hip hop
Speaker 1: set like it was just unexperienced and that the little
Speaker 1: things like that sort of built our relationship with High Times,
Speaker 1: and they always lifted us up and they found something
Speaker 1: in us. And then they started seeing something and like
Speaker 1: read eventually math and eventually Snooping, and you know, the
Speaker 1: list goes on. It was Khalifa. They start started opening
Speaker 1: up to hip hop because who better to fucking Champion Cannabis.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we went from the step a
Speaker 1: step child renegade genre right there is non apologetic. That's
Speaker 1: the best platform for cannabis right because no one else
Speaker 1: is doing this for this for this community right now.
Speaker 1: And so you know, they embraced us. We embraced them,
Speaker 1: and I think hip hop did as well. And a
Speaker 1: lot of hip hop kids that were like just reading
Speaker 1: and the source start working with High Times Magazine now
Speaker 1: and vice versa. You know, the the alternative kids that
Speaker 1: listen to to you know, rock and different ships like that.
Speaker 1: From the High Times they start listening to hip hop
Speaker 1: and now you see a shift in a combination of
Speaker 1: hip hop kids and alternative kids coming to shows and
Speaker 1: ships like that. You know it. It was like a
Speaker 1: crazy bridge that it created and it still exists today.
Speaker 1: You mentioned red Man and circling back to when you
Speaker 1: said that E. P m d. Was putting people on
Speaker 1: the all was that the reason why I read chose
Speaker 1: the sample y'all could be time for some action was
Speaker 1: the album was finished and it was at Columbia Records,
Speaker 1: and it was circulating for six months before it came out.
Speaker 1: We was like, why the Fox taking six months to
Speaker 1: come out? You know what I mean? They were trying
Speaker 1: to set it up. You know, magazines was three months
Speaker 1: out back then. On all that ship. So they were
Speaker 1: setting it all up, but we didn't get it. So
Speaker 1: at that time, Motherfucker's was hearing it was like an
Speaker 1: underground mixtape. But the Columbia Artists had it. It was
Speaker 1: like promo only and you walk into the office and
Speaker 1: you grab it off the desk, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: what's this new Let me get that look at the
Speaker 1: front desk, like you know you're gonna be your A
Speaker 1: and R or whatever. It's on their desk. We check
Speaker 1: out this new ship and then you end up grabbing
Speaker 1: it was a red tape. It was a red tape. Um,
Speaker 1: So let me ask searching through the internet, you know,
Speaker 1: searching everything about you after I watched the documentary, I
Speaker 1: don't want to get into the documentary after this, but
Speaker 1: I see Onyx, Yeah, I see onyx uh pop up
Speaker 1: and they go, well, if you want to do a versus,
Speaker 1: who would you want to do a versus against? And
Speaker 1: I only said, well, the only people we could do
Speaker 1: it against. It's like per sale. And at first I
Speaker 1: was like nah, but then I thought I was like maybe,
Speaker 1: and now I'm like nah, I'm still like maybe. How
Speaker 1: did you guys about versus? And would you do versus
Speaker 1: against Onyx. We are doing it. Yeah, we are doing it.
Speaker 1: You said something today. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a real okay.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the way it went down, you know because
Speaker 1: as rappers, we could ask this question since versus started, right,
Speaker 1: you get asked, right, who would you go against? Or
Speaker 1: who do you think would be a good one? Right?
Speaker 1: I get that, you get that. Anyone in the business
Speaker 1: pretty much guessed that, right, And so whenever they asked me,
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, it's either Woo Tang or a Cypress,
Speaker 1: I mean, or ice Cube. It's the big you know,
Speaker 1: it's a that would be fucking awesome, right. Um, But
Speaker 1: you know, Freedro said something on lad TV about it
Speaker 1: before you know, I ever said my first shit about
Speaker 1: any of the verses because I you know, I never
Speaker 1: saw us going against anybody, but I thought those two
Speaker 1: would you know, either your son who tame word. But listen,
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you that I am not worried about nobody.
Speaker 1: We match up on anybody, anybody who will match up
Speaker 1: no doubt. We have that kind of confidence. We chop heads.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We don't go for the tie.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Or the l but um,
Speaker 1: you know like that, I guess it caught you know
Speaker 1: the era of trailer. You know that he said that
Speaker 1: that would be a good matchup, and I think the
Speaker 1: mindset is this, right, So with Cyprus, do you know
Speaker 1: that we have a hip hop base, but we all
Speaker 1: also have an alternative energy, So it's the energy. So
Speaker 1: when they it comes together, there's a lot of mosh pitch,
Speaker 1: stage diving and all that ship right, that happens crowdsurfing,
Speaker 1: and they have the same type of energy. Right, So
Speaker 1: I thought about guys, I thought about I've been on tour,
Speaker 1: Well they got that or they Yeah, they definitely bring
Speaker 1: the energy as as we do. And I think that's
Speaker 1: that's the mentality for the matchup, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But like I said, we don't come to be second.
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, it's a win win for
Speaker 1: the people because they're gonna get a great show because
Speaker 1: I know they put on a great one, right, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Yeah, where were this? Where is
Speaker 1: this taking place? At the Forum home? Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't make the call, just go It
Speaker 1: could have been in Madison Square Garden. I'd show up
Speaker 1: the same way. No, but they live in they live
Speaker 1: in When is this so the data has already said
Speaker 1: fourteen Okay, I'm all for drinking. At that time, I'm
Speaker 1: going on think. I think I might have to cover
Speaker 1: and just just see that. It's it's a crazy format
Speaker 1: to go have to go up against your homies and
Speaker 1: ship like that, you know, because those are our homies.
Speaker 1: We did plenty of shows with them, plenty of festivals.
Speaker 1: It's not there's there's there's never now they're no no,
Speaker 1: So I love I mean, you know, um ship um
Speaker 1: sticky Fredo and I did uh a feature on asap
Speaker 1: Fergus joint get the funk out of my face or whatever,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I mean we're mad cool. You know,
Speaker 1: this is for the sake of like, let's give the
Speaker 1: fans a show before the record, right wait, before the
Speaker 1: before the record to win. We already know stunned. I
Speaker 1: did you say it though Cyprus for the way, But
Speaker 1: the fans are gonna win more than more than anyone,
Speaker 1: because I mean I know they're gonna bring it and
Speaker 1: we are definitely gonna bring it now, sen you a
Speaker 1: flavor flavor had the best Man Battle hype Man Battle
Speaker 1: where was this app how Like? I was just like holy,
Speaker 1: it was in Australia and uh summer and like Sydney
Speaker 1: or something, and Flay was on a good one and
Speaker 1: so was I and we just we just took over
Speaker 1: this nightclub and then on the mic and did our thing,
Speaker 1: and and then Flavor. The funny thing about it, he
Speaker 1: tried to emulate the same thing that we did the
Speaker 1: night before the next night on stage of public handed me,
Speaker 1: invited me up there, and I'm like, going, your brom
Speaker 1: you know, I was sucked up last night what I did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was a good time and it was a
Speaker 1: legendary night. And that's when I got to know Flavor.
Speaker 1: I already knew him, but that now I really really
Speaker 1: got to know him, because you know, when people are
Speaker 1: drunk and behind, you know, ship happens and ship like
Speaker 1: that and you see people's real true heart. And that's Flavor,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, Yeah, he has intention, I feel is
Speaker 1: always right, you know what I mean. He's a down
Speaker 1: ass homeboy. But it was a fun ass night. And
Speaker 1: weren't you there for that? I was right there, he
Speaker 1: right through with me. He wasn't doing right there, man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was no time. It was just like you know,
Speaker 1: trading off raps and this and that, and then I
Speaker 1: don't know, turning into something, turned into some other ship
Speaker 1: and he came back to rapping and it was fun.
Speaker 1: He was doing the Flavor dance, he was doing that,
Speaker 1: and then he was doing your dance. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was it was everything, the two legendary and I always
Speaker 1: looked up to Flavors as part of like and I
Speaker 1: feel like a small part of me it comes from him,
Speaker 1: you know, especially my early set dog when it was
Speaker 1: I was more of a hype man dude than than
Speaker 1: the actual rhymer, you know what I mean. And I
Speaker 1: used to get a lot of that style from him,
Speaker 1: you know. Then put my own you know, Salthgate California
Speaker 1: on it and combined the styles type of ship. We
Speaker 1: had a steady diet of Public Enemy. We love that,
Speaker 1: you know that they were one of our big influences,
Speaker 1: for sure. You guys feel that, um, you're part of
Speaker 1: influencing that. That l a underground that kind of came
Speaker 1: afterwards with solo assassins and bringing hooligans and and and
Speaker 1: and even how sapinion all the affiliates, you know, Funk dubious, cycle, Realm,
Speaker 1: and then you know, I feel like King T and
Speaker 1: Alcoholics and Liquid they came after like really solidified that
Speaker 1: that l A underground. Do you do you feel do
Speaker 1: you take onto that you inspired that? I believe we
Speaker 1: did because you know, again, beforehand, you know, groups weren't
Speaker 1: getting signed unless they sounded like you know, n w
Speaker 1: A or Compton's Most Wanted or something like that. And
Speaker 1: we sort of changed the dynamic like there's there's something
Speaker 1: else here. And you know, Muggs was a big part
Speaker 1: of that because the style of production he was giving
Speaker 1: ourselves and how sa pain and funk, dubious and and
Speaker 1: you know the inspiration that had on other producers in
Speaker 1: l A like Okay, we don't have to just do this,
Speaker 1: we can do hip hop ship style ship. And I
Speaker 1: think that's where you see the influx, so that style
Speaker 1: production happening in Los Angeles where now there's a balance
Speaker 1: of the gangster rap ship and like hip hop. You know,
Speaker 1: let's now let's talk about the gang culture for a second. Right.
Speaker 1: We all know that that's a heavy part of Los Angeles, right,
Speaker 1: but at the time all we heard was cripts and bloods, Right,
Speaker 1: that's all we heard. We didn't hear about nothing else,
Speaker 1: but now hear you guys come from East Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: It's a whole another side. And then how how was that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, going into that, because I think you got shocked, like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: the colors or something. No, I banged with bloods and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, we grew up around you know, most
Speaker 1: of uh a lot of homies that that gang bang
Speaker 1: and you know, Latino gangs and stuff like that. I
Speaker 1: just happened to go a different route, and so you know,
Speaker 1: I got caught in the middle of that ship. You know,
Speaker 1: we were in we were in a neighborhood that was
Speaker 1: blood and divided by crip, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And anyone that got caught around that area, it could
Speaker 1: pop off at any minute, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I got caught with my homies in that in
Speaker 1: that little zone right there, and we got caught off Garden.
Speaker 1: That's when I got popped. But I was I was banging,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know it's you know that when you're banging,
Speaker 1: this is a possibility. So that possibility happened. But you know,
Speaker 1: we did grow up, you know, on the East Side
Speaker 1: it's like considered what southeast or lower East something like
Speaker 1: lower East Side like Southgate, right Linwood, Bells, Bell Gardens
Speaker 1: were must grew up at the East l a Down
Speaker 1: there is the clotin thing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's Mexican gangs, it's you know, Salvadorian gangs. It's every
Speaker 1: Latino culture gang that there is. They got a gang
Speaker 1: for it, you know what I mean. And it's different
Speaker 1: than bloods and crips, you know what I mean. You
Speaker 1: have different colds everything, and you have to you have
Speaker 1: to know that when you go into those into those areas,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because growing up as a
Speaker 1: black Latino, you know what I mean, they didn't know
Speaker 1: what you were. So the first thing they thought was like,
Speaker 1: go kick his ass, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: that's that's what we can You're you're from like a
Speaker 1: crip hold or something. Yeah, you know, until they find
Speaker 1: out that I couldn't talk English and ships figured out
Speaker 1: that you're part of them, and you know, but that's
Speaker 1: the that's what we all went through growing up in
Speaker 1: l A. Is. You never know, no, I'm full Cuban,
Speaker 1: continue yeah ye Puerto Rican. Yeah. But and then you
Speaker 1: had to, you know, at some point along the way,
Speaker 1: you have to put your foot in the dirt and say,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get down with a click because I'm tired
Speaker 1: of being just getting my asswood by everybody that thinks,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't roll with nobody. So you know,
Speaker 1: in fifth grade, I got done with my first click
Speaker 1: and as soon as I did that, like, have the
Speaker 1: bullshit stop, because you gotta roll with somebody. Man, you
Speaker 1: gotta roll with somebody. And that was where. But in
Speaker 1: a lot of places where you know, ship pops off, yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta click up. And if you don't, you might
Speaker 1: just get recruited, even if you don't want to. If
Speaker 1: you who every day on the way home, they see
Speaker 1: you until you join their game. If they meet you
Speaker 1: and they want you, they're gonna put that you want.
Speaker 1: You want to walk down this block and not get
Speaker 1: fucked with. You're gonna get in this ship over here,
Speaker 1: and and and and rep for the block, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It doesn't happen with everybody, but like
Speaker 1: what if they see something and you, yeah, they're gonna
Speaker 1: come recruit and some choose it, some choose it. I don't.
Speaker 1: They ain't got to be there, but they're there because
Speaker 1: they crave that lifestyle. Because, like you know, it's crazy
Speaker 1: for me coming from the East Coast. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: mugs you notice, like um and queens, we have a
Speaker 1: melting pot. So like the Puerto Ricans, the black people,
Speaker 1: the Haitians, the Jamaicans, we all live on the same block.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like till but it wasn't util I kind
Speaker 1: of went to Los Angeles where I realized, like it's
Speaker 1: almost segregated like jail, Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like the do Mexicans is overhead, the Cubans is overhead,
Speaker 1: the Blacks is over here, and I had never seen
Speaker 1: that July I traveled. How is that? It's it's kind
Speaker 1: of crazy that it's it's separated like that. And Callie's
Speaker 1: so big, it's so fucking spread out that you could
Speaker 1: do that where you know, in in places not as
Speaker 1: big of a state, you're sort of mashed together like
Speaker 1: the melting pot, as they say, right, so you know
Speaker 1: you have that chance to to click up and and
Speaker 1: be unto yourself if that's what you're choosing, a lot
Speaker 1: of motherfucker's doing ship. I remember when we were like
Speaker 1: this ship was a hobby to us and we weren't
Speaker 1: even seriously doing demos yet. We'd go to different parties
Speaker 1: and one of them that remember, we go to the
Speaker 1: Cuban parties in Southgate at this place called the Ogi
Speaker 1: Nettle right everything, Yeah, family moved them and it was
Speaker 1: crazy because everybody was clicked up, clicked up there. We
Speaker 1: have a lifelong friend and one of our boys that
Speaker 1: rides with the Cypress Hillbillies with Send Dog the bike
Speaker 1: club and stuff. He grew up with us and him
Speaker 1: and his wife used to go to the spot until
Speaker 1: we get invited through them sometimes to go to these
Speaker 1: fucking to go to the organettal and the minute we'd
Speaker 1: show up, man, they'd be looking at us like what
Speaker 1: the funk are y'all doing here? Like that's how clicked up?
Speaker 1: We weren't that click We didn't look the way they did.
Speaker 1: We weren't. We didn't look Cuban and the way they
Speaker 1: did because they were trying to get maintain that tradition.
Speaker 1: That's what that's what those types of social closes before
Speaker 1: I looked like something ounce like you know yeah yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: like thugs and you know, everybody's all nice and ship,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, you know, and so it's it's very
Speaker 1: much like that. You can go to another neighborhood party
Speaker 1: and it might be all Mexicans. The minute, you know,
Speaker 1: sind Dog shows until he starts talking, they might be
Speaker 1: giving him a crazy look, but then when they hear
Speaker 1: him talk, it's all ship. What's up? Poems? You know
Speaker 1: that accepted? You know what I'm saying, it's it's crazy
Speaker 1: like that. We know the influences that that came and
Speaker 1: must bringing a lot of influence from and why but
Speaker 1: any local l A influences like was Frost or any
Speaker 1: other guys were doing it locally influencing you guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: they didn't influence me, but I was a fan of
Speaker 1: there's like the the l A Dream Team and ship
Speaker 1: like that, but it was a rock Berry or rock Ja, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. And there was other guys too, like Egyptian Lover.
Speaker 1: They did. All the guys that were on the radio,
Speaker 1: and that first wave of of eighties hip hop, you know,
Speaker 1: left their mark for the next generation to cling onto
Speaker 1: and and come up. And that's where that's where I
Speaker 1: really started paying attention to is during that era. And
Speaker 1: there was also other cats to involved, like King T
Speaker 1: was actually before us, you know what I mean, he
Speaker 1: was before us. Said he always had his polished down
Speaker 1: style with it, you know, with a certain sample whatever,
Speaker 1: and it signed in the pocket all the time. And
Speaker 1: that was King T. You know when he brought a record,
Speaker 1: it was gonna be Everything's gonna be nice. Was the
Speaker 1: first l A rapper I heard that when I was like,
Speaker 1: oh Ship, Yeah, before that, it was like everybody was
Speaker 1: trying to make plane of rock records, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. This album cover of him falling down the
Speaker 1: alley with the sawtof shotgun, remember right, that ship was
Speaker 1: ill right for sure. He was definitely like an influence
Speaker 1: in w A two, you know what I mean, They're like,
Speaker 1: how could they not be slapping it? Cub Yeah, Cube
Speaker 1: was you know, beast like you know, they all work,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, They all had something different
Speaker 1: and that always motivated us throughout that whole time. We
Speaker 1: were just around the scene in the circuit kind of
Speaker 1: like you know, with my brother hanging being sign a
Speaker 1: Delicious vinyl and you know we saw Tom Loke spring
Speaker 1: up and jump off and do his thing, and then
Speaker 1: Young MC and all that ship. So we were right
Speaker 1: there in the environment. We were always you know, huddled
Speaker 1: around it. So it was only you know, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: only a matter of time before we got a chance
Speaker 1: to do our thing. I mean, because we were we
Speaker 1: were always right there, so it just it just from there.
Speaker 1: Iced Tea wasn't influenced to next question. Well, next question
Speaker 1: was was iced Tea said, you sound like crazy Mexicans
Speaker 1: on dope. He said something Angel does something Angel. I
Speaker 1: actually it's dope. The guys that sound like Mexican dudes
Speaker 1: on angels, but the angel doesn't. Oh yeah, described that
Speaker 1: we encountered many motherfuckers on it because oh yeah, you
Speaker 1: would see motherfucker's like freak the funk out on it.
Speaker 1: Um and in the membrane. I ain't gonna I would
Speaker 1: have thought you was too. I'm not gonna lie. We
Speaker 1: were just crazy naturally, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: say that, Um, I just think because of the way
Speaker 1: we sounded, we didn't sound like anything in l A.
Speaker 1: Even like the dynamic of our voices. My ship was
Speaker 1: crazy high pitched and a different style. It wasn't necessarily
Speaker 1: an l A based style, and my sound was was different. Um.
Speaker 1: And with send doing the psycho beta voice, which is
Speaker 1: the who all that on top of it. It was
Speaker 1: just I think that's where where's he's referencing, just because
Speaker 1: of the sound. The tones were different. Started like chucking
Speaker 1: flav you know what I'm saying. It made sense when
Speaker 1: he described it that way, like I understood what he
Speaker 1: was hearing. What made him for hearing it for the
Speaker 1: first time, what it would sound like to him? What
Speaker 1: angel us? No, just like my tripping. Yeah, that's crazy,
Speaker 1: that's crazy, because I mean it was big back then.
Speaker 1: It was it was huge back there. Um so Sin
Speaker 1: you're in a biker gang. No, man, there's no biker
Speaker 1: gang at all. There's that's just following. You didn't even
Speaker 1: describe it like that club. Yeah, you sound like you
Speaker 1: work for the government. Because I seen it, I was,
Speaker 1: I was bull like, so I just getting part of
Speaker 1: that culture. I didn't do it back in the I
Speaker 1: bought my first bike in like ninety five or something
Speaker 1: like that, right, and that that was like a cross
Speaker 1: rocket Honda, And that led me to Harley Davidson's you know,
Speaker 1: scooters or whatever. And then now I'm sponsored by the
Speaker 1: Indian Motorcycle Company, right, so, and I just got into it,
Speaker 1: and uh, one day I had got all my friends
Speaker 1: into it, and we had like about nine or ten
Speaker 1: of us. They were all, you don't have bikes, and
Speaker 1: so I was like, man, why don't we make a
Speaker 1: little patch. And I've never been about, you know, joining
Speaker 1: anybody's army. I've always been one of the couple guy
Speaker 1: to start my own things. So I started my own thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah for silbilies, Yeah yeah, right, yeah yeah. But Young
Speaker 1: Rock across country we have. Man, we've done a long
Speaker 1: distance rides and ship like that, and it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's depending on what time of year you go on.
Speaker 1: Is you know what kind of whooping you're gonna take
Speaker 1: on that bike? So what what's the longest distance you're
Speaker 1: wing me personally to Arizona from California from where I
Speaker 1: lived in Cali all the way to Arizona. Who's counting?
Speaker 1: You know? Okay, I'm just along to it. I'm on
Speaker 1: the right until we get there, you know, and then
Speaker 1: well well well when we get there, then you know,
Speaker 1: then we meet up with other bike clubs and then
Speaker 1: go to the rally that they invited us to and
Speaker 1: ship like that. Now this is what navigation or you
Speaker 1: did this without navigation. Now, my road captain will have
Speaker 1: the navigation. Right, the captain words, I don't know what
Speaker 1: ye positioning man, you know, and then and then we
Speaker 1: rolled out. That's what it is. The road captain is
Speaker 1: the guy who's who's orchestrating their movements as they're rolling
Speaker 1: the parade going through. No GPS, no GPS. Well he
Speaker 1: might have GPS, GPS now, but he's coordinating everybody's I
Speaker 1: feel more comfortable if he has his GPS thing going
Speaker 1: basically basically basically following with him, right, one of I
Speaker 1: don't know, Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, he has the coordinates,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So we roll out and
Speaker 1: and uh and whatever happens happens, you know. But it's
Speaker 1: it's his responsibility to make sure that we get to
Speaker 1: the spot we're supposed to get to. So that's it.
Speaker 1: And if he sucks up, they leave him with the
Speaker 1: scooter and he's got to get back by himself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there, right, if you fuck it up, you leave
Speaker 1: him with the scooter, and however you keep getting back
Speaker 1: if you say something. Now, I'm just gonna say. The
Speaker 1: funnest thing about it is actually when you complete the journey,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean because it's the physical thing.
Speaker 1: You're on the you're on the machine. It's a physical thing.
Speaker 1: And when you do it and come back and there's
Speaker 1: there's a you kind of feel like you went through
Speaker 1: a kind of threshold kind of thing and completed something,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's kind of weird feeling
Speaker 1: like that on Wednesdays women flash you about Wednesdays. We
Speaker 1: don't know that's a real thing, like you know, like
Speaker 1: bacon No, I mean, I'm not sure what do you mean?
Speaker 1: Like girls do it alright? When I can take you
Speaker 1: to that spot if you like, I know where it's
Speaker 1: sad that would cause a lot of accidents. Pop, yeah,
Speaker 1: you want about your right. It's just just he got
Speaker 1: into it. I don't remember when they both first bought
Speaker 1: their bikes, like because Mugs bought one and Send bought
Speaker 1: one and a few guys from our crew, and you know,
Speaker 1: they got them crotch rockets. I was like, man, y'all
Speaker 1: are crazy, you know. I I used to ride dirt
Speaker 1: bikes as a very young kid, and that you know,
Speaker 1: it just wasn't my thing. I got into low riders,
Speaker 1: so you know, if it ain't a low low, I
Speaker 1: don't go go, you know what I'm saying. Holy, So
Speaker 1: how is it being the only Puerto Rican It's all,
Speaker 1: It's all of you know, Puerto Ricans and Cubans, they
Speaker 1: kind of all blend together, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know where I was born. I was
Speaker 1: born in Hollis, Queens. Just make some money. It was
Speaker 1: always you know, my mom's best friend was Cuban and everything.
Speaker 1: And you know my dad. Yeah, dad is a super legend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, so it was it was always loved, you know,
Speaker 1: so you know I felt right at home. Is that
Speaker 1: how you found up a music scene and your dad? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I started with him. You know, I was five years
Speaker 1: old my first gig. You know what, time out? Wait
Speaker 1: a minute? What then? Did you just say I was
Speaker 1: five years old? It was It was in the documentary.
Speaker 1: It was crazy. Yeah, so you know my dad put
Speaker 1: me updates. No, no, I didn't heard it all. You know,
Speaker 1: Dad just put me up there. You know. I was
Speaker 1: playing on the pots and pans, you know, before I
Speaker 1: can even speak. So you know, my dad recognized, you know,
Speaker 1: the I had a rhythm, So put me up there.
Speaker 1: And then I was doing gigs with him till he
Speaker 1: passed away I was fifteen, and then I took over
Speaker 1: his band, doing the Latin jazz thing, you know, playing
Speaker 1: Latin jazz festivals and Playboy Jazz festivals, monitorate jazz festival,
Speaker 1: keeping keeping that music alive, you know, But that I
Speaker 1: always love hip hop, you know what I mean? And
Speaker 1: you know, you know the early hip hop always had like,
Speaker 1: you know, percussion in it. You know the year like
Speaker 1: you know, Grand Mass Flash and you know all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So it was, it was there. So I knew that
Speaker 1: this was something that I wanted to do. And then
Speaker 1: you know, Shi just came for me, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. That's that's beautiful. What made you want to
Speaker 1: add um? Yeah to to. I saw him one day
Speaker 1: playing with the Beastie Boys, right, and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: he'd be he sounds really cool playing with us. So
Speaker 1: I invited him to a show he was doing at
Speaker 1: a at El Camino College because my little sister went there,
Speaker 1: and the Latino Studies people hit me up like okay, cool,
Speaker 1: we'll do that show for you guys. And then but
Speaker 1: I also invited him and you told me you played
Speaker 1: on one song. I remember him being there the whole show, right,
Speaker 1: But that's where I first saw him with the Beasts,
Speaker 1: and uh and I was like, I gotta I love
Speaker 1: to hear how he would sound with us, with our sound,
Speaker 1: with Muggs's production and be Real's vocals and and what
Speaker 1: I was doing with my secondary vocal. I just had
Speaker 1: a feeling that they would work, you know, and it
Speaker 1: did something to this day sounds right was it real estate?
Speaker 1: H No, it was Latin lingo. I mean already had
Speaker 1: like some you know what I mean. So that's why
Speaker 1: I gravitated to it, because I'm like, damn, you know,
Speaker 1: that's for cushion in this. I can do this. I
Speaker 1: already knew because best boys they were, you know, tinkering
Speaker 1: around a little bit with you know, Latin sounds, but
Speaker 1: they weren't Latino, you know. But with Cypress, it was
Speaker 1: a whole different thing. He was writing in Spanish, so
Speaker 1: I felt at home. When they came to you, to say,
Speaker 1: leave the Beasts and coming to us, it was a
Speaker 1: no brain or you had to think about it. Uh No,
Speaker 1: it was story. Story was like approached like that, like right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. But at least I folutely poached him.
Speaker 1: But at least what happened was you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: For about two and a half three years, I was
Speaker 1: flip flopping. I was doing world tours with BCS and
Speaker 1: then I go on with Cypress. It was going back
Speaker 1: and forth up until Woodstock. What Stock ninety four, just
Speaker 1: getting a lot of pussy to just make some noise.
Speaker 1: Really in my notes that's next. So you know. Originally,
Speaker 1: originally Sypence was going to play on the Sunday and
Speaker 1: that was my day off. I was doing all the
Speaker 1: pollutes at ninety four with bect Boys, and somehow it
Speaker 1: got changed to Saturday. So I was like back and forth, Man,
Speaker 1: should I go away? And what am I gonna do?
Speaker 1: And everything like that. My mom last minute, she says, oh,
Speaker 1: you better go to Woodstock. That's that's that's a big thing.
Speaker 1: That's the biggest thing right there. So I left the
Speaker 1: note for Mike d I put it under this door
Speaker 1: like about three o'clock in the morning and said, I'm
Speaker 1: going to Woodstock. I'll be back for the show. And
Speaker 1: uh so I I did that. I didn't tell nobody.
Speaker 1: So then I flew to to to Woodstock. We did
Speaker 1: the show. I couldn't get out because it started raining
Speaker 1: and ship. So I was stuck everything and I had
Speaker 1: to I had to fly here to Miami after that,
Speaker 1: and uh, to a manager was all piste off, but well,
Speaker 1: we need to talk to you. You shouldn't have left us.
Speaker 1: It was very bad, all this kind of ship. He
Speaker 1: was the tour manager way back went for Ozzy Osborne,
Speaker 1: this guy right, all right, So the guys that go
Speaker 1: ahead and talk to me. You know everything I did
Speaker 1: I figured about ship. If I get fired from this gig,
Speaker 1: I got another one, you know. So they let me.
Speaker 1: They let me slide. You know, they said wood Stock
Speaker 1: is you know, that was a big thing. But you know,
Speaker 1: let us know said shift I did. I left to
Speaker 1: know that, you know, but yeah, that was that was
Speaker 1: a wild thing. And then that was, you know, really
Speaker 1: the beginning of me really being part of the crew.
Speaker 1: Where was the moment, because I mean, to us, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's hardcore hip hop, but the craziest ship about making
Speaker 1: someone making someone making the hardest care hardcore hip hop.
Speaker 1: It crosses over like I could never see DMX ever
Speaker 1: be in commercially. But he's like, where was the moment
Speaker 1: that y'all starting to realize that that is happening? To y'all.
Speaker 1: You know it's I don't know, but it's that energy.
Speaker 1: When you got that energy, that rock and roll energy,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean that she translates across them
Speaker 1: festivals and you get groups like Public Enemy, Cypress, Hill Run, DMC,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, never cross over because the energy,
Speaker 1: it's like that's that ship, that's how like, that's that
Speaker 1: energy they like. But what was the moment that that
Speaker 1: y'all was like, Wow, this is really it? The festivals
Speaker 1: like those people, I think I think it was it
Speaker 1: was the Woodstock festivals. You know, it was five thousands,
Speaker 1: five hundred thousands, it was five hundred thousand that it
Speaker 1: was about four eighty four close to five. I don't
Speaker 1: even be real without being I respect that, but hold on,
Speaker 1: do you get the call? And it now has to
Speaker 1: hip hop? Been on with Stock prior to this? No no, no,
Speaker 1: not in the first Okay yeah, well Salting Pep was
Speaker 1: on it too. They was on different stage, different stage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was it was around that time that you know,
Speaker 1: like that hit because of the odds won't be a back. Well,
Speaker 1: it was crazy as it like it hit me in
Speaker 1: that moment at it started because when we got invited
Speaker 1: to that and then seeing like the ocean of fucking
Speaker 1: people bouncing to our ship and when how I how
Speaker 1: I could just kill a man? Comes on they go
Speaker 1: and it's and it's crazy, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And that that sort of when it hit like because
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, previous to that, we had played
Speaker 1: sizeable festivals and stuff like that, but nothing that that big.
Speaker 1: And to see yeah, was so big we had you
Speaker 1: couldn't drive into the show. We had to get a
Speaker 1: hotel this other state, right, getting a helicopter and flying
Speaker 1: to the show. And yeah, because because it was like
Speaker 1: traffic jam, well no, the roadways turned into a fucking
Speaker 1: parking lot, like for real. People just got out of
Speaker 1: their car, fucking walked it and left their ship where
Speaker 1: they left it. It was like in the sixties, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, so yeah, yeah, and some some went in
Speaker 1: on boat. You know, you had to go where the
Speaker 1: fucking the boat was and voted in or you helicoptered in.
Speaker 1: That was only two ways in for artists and that
Speaker 1: was wild man, just to see all them people that's
Speaker 1: over there, like it was, it was nuts. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: came in on a helicopter and then they say, you
Speaker 1: gotta go straight to the stage or how does it happen?
Speaker 1: And we were there for what forty minutes before we
Speaker 1: went on, maybe in a little bit longer hour and
Speaker 1: a half. Yeah, yeah it was. When we got off stage,
Speaker 1: there was everything. They kicked us right the funk out there,
Speaker 1: like we gotta make room for the next band flying in.
Speaker 1: So it's not like, yeah, we killed it. I lost
Speaker 1: my shoes in socks on that show. I didn't bet
Speaker 1: on nothing but us to win, and I lost my
Speaker 1: shoes in socks. How do you lose your shoes and
Speaker 1: s okay? So me and send or send a nine
Speaker 1: for proper Grammar's sake. We you know, from the Beastie
Speaker 1: Boys shows, we were, you know, jumping in the crowd
Speaker 1: and that became a thing us stage diving and doing
Speaker 1: that that ship. We did it for a very long time,
Speaker 1: but it was new to us then, and you know,
Speaker 1: would Stock seemed like the place to do it. So
Speaker 1: I go in. I get ravaged, my fucking shirts getting
Speaker 1: pulled this way that way the crowd. Yeah, I jumped in.
Speaker 1: We both jumped in the crowd. I had to grab
Speaker 1: my my collar so that I didn't get choked out
Speaker 1: by my t shirt getting pulled this way and do
Speaker 1: the song because like we never stopped doing the song.
Speaker 1: We always finish, you know what I'm saying. And as
Speaker 1: I'm as we're doing the song, first shoot comes off,
Speaker 1: second shoot comes off, suck comes off. They literally got
Speaker 1: like they pulled it right to funk out and where
Speaker 1: is that right now? And then I was little Bay.
Speaker 1: It was in my person score and I came back
Speaker 1: on stage and you know, I was barefooted. I was
Speaker 1: like a hippie up there, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: trying to do his hip hop ship. Um. But it
Speaker 1: happened on the last song because we finished with we
Speaker 1: Ain't going out like that. That was our finisher for
Speaker 1: a long time. Um, and at that point it was new.
Speaker 1: But like, you know, so that was the last song.
Speaker 1: I get up on stage. I don't know, I'm asking
Speaker 1: for my ship back. Ain't no one throwing my ship back.
Speaker 1: But years later on on on another tour, I shipped
Speaker 1: I came across one shoe right I'm on because from
Speaker 1: that same show, No, for like years later, like ten
Speaker 1: years later, we're on a tour somewhere with I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's uh, it's probably further than ten years.
Speaker 1: But it was either with three eleven or Sublime with
Speaker 1: Rome or slightly stupid. One of those three tours we
Speaker 1: did with those guys, one fan comes up and says, hey, yo,
Speaker 1: this is the shoe for Woodstock. Would you sign it?
Speaker 1: This is what I was a little saying that, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, cool, it was my left shot, and so
Speaker 1: I fucking signed it, right, get on. About another year later,
Speaker 1: I'm on and we're on another tour. I might have
Speaker 1: been with profits that just right, got the right show.
Speaker 1: He goes, Yo, man, what's the same what's't the same person?
Speaker 1: Two different people. I never got the socks though, so
Speaker 1: we're looking for the socks and holy ship saying now,
Speaker 1: you guys were also the first rappers with a Hollywood
Speaker 1: Hawk Walk of Fame sign because Colin is getting his
Speaker 1: Monday yeah, And I was thinking, like, how how far
Speaker 1: as hip hop came? And then I'm looking at the
Speaker 1: documentary on like the first hip hop group they ever
Speaker 1: gave one too? It's you guys, Yeah, like Robert de Niro,
Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe, Cypress Hill. Right, So I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: you went too fast when you just say Hollywood Boulevard,
Speaker 1: Cypress Hill, let's make no noise for that. Wrong. But
Speaker 1: right there, how does it feel? It's crazy because you know,
Speaker 1: we'll get tagged in in pictures of fans going to
Speaker 1: the Star and like you know, smoking up or leaving
Speaker 1: some weed right there and taking pictures and all that ship,
Speaker 1: some stars toys on them through that stay wrong, I
Speaker 1: see them boy down Trump ship holes. You see what
Speaker 1: they were doing, a dumb Trump ship at one point
Speaker 1: any day, they don't VOLI they put weed, They celebrated,
Speaker 1: you know, like Stoner's you know, and and yeah, we
Speaker 1: get we get tagged on in a lot, and it's
Speaker 1: cool because it's something I know ain't none of us
Speaker 1: ever talked about or expected. That was just because I
Speaker 1: don't think it's artists we come in expecting to achieve
Speaker 1: these acts. We're just doing what we're passionate about and
Speaker 1: trying to win at it, and everything else is an extra.
Speaker 1: So when they came to us with that ship, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh wow, really it's crazy, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean for years just walking those streets, just you know,
Speaker 1: casually you can see and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: to have one that's that's something else. I mean to
Speaker 1: see that journey from killer Man to probably be like
Speaker 1: this is just a dope street record, you know. We
Speaker 1: just want to do it for for hip hop, for
Speaker 1: the culture too, doing these festivals and then and then
Speaker 1: the Hollywood start that's gotta be. It was in Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were all ston everybody smoking to this time to
Speaker 1: go on. You know what it was you started smoking
Speaker 1: about it? You know, yeah, I thought about it, but
Speaker 1: I knew there was kids there and at that and
Speaker 1: my daughter was there, so I don't want um. But
Speaker 1: you know, the cool ship was not not the The
Speaker 1: star in itself was cool, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But the fans that show up to celebrate it with us,
Speaker 1: that was because you know, some star celebrations not many
Speaker 1: people show up, and you know, it depends on who
Speaker 1: it is, and you celebrate your star and it's all
Speaker 1: good and then it's sucking over, right. But we had
Speaker 1: a lot of our fans there that I did not
Speaker 1: expect show up and celebrate that with us, and that
Speaker 1: meant everything. That kind of meant more than the star
Speaker 1: now for nothing. You know, we we buried some weed
Speaker 1: under that star. Mm hmm. Fine. I would never thought
Speaker 1: that's whoever blessed. Don't go try to you don't because
Speaker 1: it's not good anymore. Just in spirit there. Well, you
Speaker 1: know what I want to tell you again, congratulations on that.
Speaker 1: That's just it's a legacy that you're kids and grandkids
Speaker 1: continue to see you visit every whenever they want to,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. The monument there great granddaddy,
Speaker 1: did you know gonna be same, you know, a long
Speaker 1: time from now. And you know now who's Matt Mike Miller.
Speaker 1: Mike Miller was the photographer that um took the shots
Speaker 1: for the first album, so he didn't film the whole
Speaker 1: album cover. Yeah, like all those shots in that time.
Speaker 1: You know when you see us on the album cover
Speaker 1: where there's where by the fire and you know we're
Speaker 1: we're all looking a different way, so don't necessarily see
Speaker 1: our faces and stuff. That was shot at his father's
Speaker 1: steel milled. It was you know it it's uh, what
Speaker 1: street is that, Nate right before they d Santa Fe Road?
Speaker 1: Santa Fe Street or road? It was that one steel
Speaker 1: looked abandoned right close to that pig farm thing that
Speaker 1: that you know, that one that's over there around that area. No,
Speaker 1: no way before that it's like right when you're coming
Speaker 1: out of Southgate on the backside, if you saw it,
Speaker 1: but we didn't know it was this father's ship. I
Speaker 1: mean we've been growing up and seeing that ship forever.
Speaker 1: And then you know, he he says, I want to
Speaker 1: take you to this spot. And Muggs was very pivotal
Speaker 1: in that because he was giving him the direction. Hey,
Speaker 1: we want it to look like you've had that vision
Speaker 1: from get like sorry to go. But the art direction
Speaker 1: thing was there, all right, right, yeah, So we had
Speaker 1: this idea what we wanted to do. It was a
Speaker 1: trash cam, you know, I mean a burning trash can,
Speaker 1: like you're staying warm. It was like it was it
Speaker 1: was like August July August, it was outside, you know what.
Speaker 1: We're trying to get the winter field in l A.
Speaker 1: So we had jacketson, we had the five burned. It
Speaker 1: was like eighty nine degrees. We was taking the pictures.
Speaker 1: And the steel mill right there in like South Cake
Speaker 1: and that and that was Mike Miller's father's steel mills.
Speaker 1: So it made it easy. And the funny thing is, uh,
Speaker 1: the guy who was the assistant to Mike Miller was
Speaker 1: stefan Orio, director of our new of our documentary did
Speaker 1: a great job. What made y'all want to do the
Speaker 1: documentary because y'all was you had people filming it from
Speaker 1: the beginning that shut out massive people. I didn't know
Speaker 1: that they were so time. Yeah, and the camera ship.
Speaker 1: From the beginning, it's just us buying cameras, you know,
Speaker 1: when movie camera started coming out, one of the homies
Speaker 1: and buy a camera, the other homie buy a camera,
Speaker 1: just shooting ship behind the document It wasn't like live
Speaker 1: on Instagram. So we had our cameras, you know, we
Speaker 1: had our own ship. When you when you watch the documentary,
Speaker 1: do you like, what kind of emotions do you watch?
Speaker 1: Because I'm looking at it, like, man, these guys had
Speaker 1: a fucking heleb a life, But I didn't live at
Speaker 1: that like now. But this is the thing that when
Speaker 1: I'm watching it, I was watching My Girl That's night actually,
Speaker 1: and we're watching and there's so much ship that happens,
Speaker 1: and then it cuts to MTV News and I'm like you,
Speaker 1: MTV news hasn't been around for so long. Happen like
Speaker 1: y'all live like two lifetimes and still mash it happened
Speaker 1: after that. That's what I'm saying, like, so much has
Speaker 1: happened for you guys, And one thing that didn't established
Speaker 1: in the documentary is why you left the group, because
Speaker 1: that was the MTV thing said leaves the group. But
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever like said why did
Speaker 1: you leave the group? At that time? Uh, I think
Speaker 1: I was just a scattered brain, know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like my my I couldn't really focus on it on
Speaker 1: one thing, and I felt like, uh, I was more
Speaker 1: of a like more of us something that was against
Speaker 1: the group, that something that could help the group. Lack
Speaker 1: of a better term, he was like the ODB. I
Speaker 1: guess yeah kind of you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: just it was I couldn't get my ship together. I
Speaker 1: couldn't concentrate it. For the first time in my life,
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure the ship out, were I what I
Speaker 1: wanted to do, you know? And then the road life
Speaker 1: is rigorous like that, just crazy, especially when you're it's
Speaker 1: your first time out there. And I'm not gonna make
Speaker 1: any excuses or whatever, but yeah, I went through culture
Speaker 1: shock and all that ship that, you know, and I
Speaker 1: would see these guys just raging on fucking tour and
Speaker 1: I'm like man, I just don't feel that ship. What
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't know. I wasn't having fun. It
Speaker 1: was the I don't want to say, a burden, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, But it was like a heavy
Speaker 1: ship on me. Um too uh to just stay the
Speaker 1: whole time out there with them, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I had to battle the I guess demons that
Speaker 1: were trying to tell me like fun these dudes and
Speaker 1: split and you know, and the right thing which was
Speaker 1: telling me stay right here with your crew, know what
Speaker 1: I mean, and that and that, and I didn't always
Speaker 1: come through with that ship and what I mean, so
Speaker 1: I I've always, uh, I felt shitty about that, you know,
Speaker 1: until I figured that ship out and became a constant
Speaker 1: part of the A touring crew. And you started your
Speaker 1: own crew as well, right, your own Yeah, back in
Speaker 1: those days. Yes, I started the band that uh that
Speaker 1: actually helped me stay in music, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because my idea funked up as it was. I was
Speaker 1: like just I'm just gonna quit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But these guys um like we we just need someone
Speaker 1: to practice with, can you just rap? And I'm like okay,
Speaker 1: all right whatever and that turned into me staying productive
Speaker 1: doing music and this and that the whole time. Be real,
Speaker 1: would not you know? He'd come over to my house
Speaker 1: like once or twice a year and be like, hey, nigga,
Speaker 1: you ready yet or and I was like, no, I'm
Speaker 1: not ready yet, you know what I mean. So when
Speaker 1: I became, when I decided, okay, I'm gonna go back
Speaker 1: to the to the crew because thanks to these three
Speaker 1: cats right here, they kept the band, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: and they kept the band going while I took my hiatus,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, until I figured it out
Speaker 1: and and uh and and I developed this you know
Speaker 1: who gets the funk attitude? You know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: and that's you know, the same ship that I'm on
Speaker 1: until today, because that's what I was. I was expecting
Speaker 1: almost um or you know, ice Cube left in w
Speaker 1: way so and and then it was just record said
Speaker 1: to that and you know, back and forth. So I
Speaker 1: was expecting that, you know, when when you left the
Speaker 1: group and Din like like you said, like MTV reporting
Speaker 1: on it, how come you guys never took that round?
Speaker 1: Because but but then you see the footage of what
Speaker 1: you said on stage. Had you ever did you ever
Speaker 1: see that till the documentary what he was saying on stage,
Speaker 1: you know, he was saying, look, he's not here anymore,
Speaker 1: but he's still a part of the group. Like it
Speaker 1: was more supportive words. Yeah, because he's our brother, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, that's the way we look at
Speaker 1: each other. You know, we're not just bandmates. Were more
Speaker 1: than that, and that I think that's why it's been
Speaker 1: able to be what it is, because we understand each other.
Speaker 1: You know, if one of us is having a bad time,
Speaker 1: we just back up and let it breathe and you
Speaker 1: know the rest of us continue to tow the line
Speaker 1: and make it happen. And you know, he got me
Speaker 1: into this ship, this guy and this guy right here
Speaker 1: and and you know to give him his flowers and mellow.
Speaker 1: You know, they got me off the street when I
Speaker 1: was banging. They were already kind of in the game.
Speaker 1: They could have pushed on without me and figured it out,
Speaker 1: but you know, they brought me in. And you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's only a couple of different paths when you're banging,
Speaker 1: especially in that time when it was crazy heated, and
Speaker 1: these guys took a chance on me, right, So you
Speaker 1: know when Saint Dog left. We weren't mad at him.
Speaker 1: We we just tried to understand. We were disappointed, but
Speaker 1: like we carried the line till till he came back,
Speaker 1: and we all, you know, Muggs would from time to
Speaker 1: time checking on I would, Bobo would, and in his
Speaker 1: time he came back and we accepted it, embraced it,
Speaker 1: and new fuck. You know, we were back at this time.
Speaker 1: We let him have his time. And I just gotta
Speaker 1: say that there was no like fucked up treatment from
Speaker 1: these cats. When I went through my own ship. I mean,
Speaker 1: like it happens like that, like yeah, weakness an arm
Speaker 1: or something like that, they kick your ass out. It
Speaker 1: wasn't that with these guys, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: They were just like he saved my life, So I
Speaker 1: could never disrespect this guy, you know, same as Muggs,
Speaker 1: same as Mellow. You know, I might have had my
Speaker 1: problems with Mellow in the past, but you know I
Speaker 1: always got love for him because that basically saved my life.
Speaker 1: So we got to be understanding to one another, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, especially when we've built it up
Speaker 1: like at that point. But was it difficult, you know,
Speaker 1: going on tours without him and um, you know, especially
Speaker 1: singing his part. I believe he was singing his parts.
Speaker 1: We did a few toys where I was doing all
Speaker 1: his parts. Yeah yeah, I mean they split him between
Speaker 1: and then the ones that they couldn't do I would
Speaker 1: do send dogs versus and we just you know, sort
Speaker 1: of split it up. It was, you know, we still
Speaker 1: brought a show. It's just that you know, we had
Speaker 1: the missing fucking component and send dogs energy, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, and his voice, his tone when you
Speaker 1: don't have that, it ain't necessarily cyper still, but we
Speaker 1: gave it to crowds nonetheless and they accepted it. And
Speaker 1: when he came back, it was just like yeah and
Speaker 1: and uh so in his time man, and I knew
Speaker 1: he'd come back. It was it was just he needed
Speaker 1: time to breathe and reset because we were on a
Speaker 1: crazy pace, like we didn't see home but from maybe
Speaker 1: two three weeks at a time, and then we were
Speaker 1: back on the fucking road. We didn't see our families,
Speaker 1: friends and and nothing. You know, it's like seven eight
Speaker 1: months a year like the first five years. No FaceTime,
Speaker 1: but there was no social shifts. You had to get
Speaker 1: out there and get face to face with your fans stores,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, started radio stations show just
Speaker 1: try to bring people from the hood. And I used
Speaker 1: to bring them out like, yo, you come with me,
Speaker 1: I can see you. Not if it was like fifteen
Speaker 1: of them, seven of them will go home. You read
Speaker 1: my mind, because I was about to just say that, right,
Speaker 1: is that you can? You can. There's something motherfucker's that
Speaker 1: are built for this and some that have to sort
Speaker 1: of learn and gradually get into this, and some are
Speaker 1: not built for it at all. Because we did the
Speaker 1: same thing. We brought a couple of my homies that
Speaker 1: I banged with and one of them snapped in for sure,
Speaker 1: he could live the road life. But the thing is
Speaker 1: is he got reckless, you know what I mean. The
Speaker 1: hood started flashing up in different places when he would
Speaker 1: drink too much, different hoods, and and that's a liability
Speaker 1: because things could pop off, right. And then there's the
Speaker 1: other homies that we brought on who was a g
Speaker 1: you know, one of my g s. And he spent
Speaker 1: the tour, he spent a full tour with us, but
Speaker 1: he didn't want to do another one because because because
Speaker 1: because all he ever knew was the Hood, and he
Speaker 1: missed so much money in the hood. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: or he just missed being around. He missed that ship
Speaker 1: and he couldn't disconnect from it. Being on the road
Speaker 1: was cool, but I'd rather be in a comfort zone
Speaker 1: here because I know this ship and and some get
Speaker 1: stuck in that mentality, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: Sen wasn't that. It was just that it's we were
Speaker 1: fun and going so heavy. It just gassed him, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. For me, I was like, this
Speaker 1: is all I got. I'm fucking we're rolling and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, so it never got I never got tired
Speaker 1: of it. You know. Sometimes now I might, but um,
Speaker 1: at that point, I was like, funk, we're on. We
Speaker 1: gotta keep going. And Mugs was the same way in Bobo,
Speaker 1: and I believe that Sen was in this way. But
Speaker 1: it just eventually it gets when you're seeing only two
Speaker 1: weeks at home and then having to do another eight
Speaker 1: week tour. Man, that ship bears down on you. Especially
Speaker 1: there was no face time back then. There was no
Speaker 1: especially was disconnected from the world, going going, going overseas,
Speaker 1: where it's really a culture shot because it's a whole
Speaker 1: and you know, different languages, different there's different things, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Hey, what was what was key? Though?
Speaker 1: For a second when those next tales came that you
Speaker 1: could do the Washington that was such. Have you ever
Speaker 1: slowed down on touring or it's been like this from
Speaker 1: the beginning. There was a couple of times with a
Speaker 1: couple COVID Well yeah, COVID definitely that that's been you know,
Speaker 1: one of the longest stretches that we didn't touch the road,
Speaker 1: but that was there was stretch. I was playing paintball,
Speaker 1: you know, competitive, Yeah, and that was totally fucking addicted
Speaker 1: to that ship and still don't do it anymore, you
Speaker 1: know on the team. No, not that I mean, I
Speaker 1: could put it back together, but I just you know,
Speaker 1: what happened was this Yeah, yeah, like I almost won
Speaker 1: proy million dollar couples. Let me explain to you. Let
Speaker 1: me explain to you. There's two styles of paint two
Speaker 1: different styles of paintball culture. There's the ones where regular
Speaker 1: folks going they play what's called scenario games. They go
Speaker 1: into a field and they try to shoot each other out.
Speaker 1: That's one that's not the one that we were doing.
Speaker 1: We were doing the one called speedball, where let's just
Speaker 1: say this is the field. It's cutting half the team,
Speaker 1: and it's like play like a sport, like you got
Speaker 1: your you got obstacles over here, obstacles over there. It's
Speaker 1: a mirror. Seven guys, seven guys. You're trying to get there,
Speaker 1: and you're shooting guns, you know, paintball guns at each other,
Speaker 1: trying to like communicate and strategized like chess with guns,
Speaker 1: you know, how to get these dudes out. I was
Speaker 1: I needed that because that was my my time off
Speaker 1: right there, Like you know, SANDC took his time. When
Speaker 1: I took my time, we all had to take a
Speaker 1: pause because you know, it's a little bit different, right.
Speaker 1: So I took that three years, and I didn't realize
Speaker 1: I was taking that three years. I was just having
Speaker 1: fun doing that ship because competitive paintball takes you touring
Speaker 1: two different if you win, but there's very expensive to play.
Speaker 1: But if you win win, yes, sponsorships, yeah, like you
Speaker 1: get real sponsorships. We did. We did decent, We were
Speaker 1: we were pretty good team. But like what happened was
Speaker 1: this on my last tournament. Um, on my last tournament
Speaker 1: in San Diego that I played that we played as
Speaker 1: a team. Um, you know this this dude comes up
Speaker 1: and we did horribly bad and that that tournament, like
Speaker 1: we weren't communicating, We're just playing like ship and we
Speaker 1: got we got cheated. All of this ship was happening.
Speaker 1: It was just a bad day. And this fan comes up, right,
Speaker 1: it goes, Yo, be real, man, it's good to see
Speaker 1: you out here with the people like this man, you know,
Speaker 1: like fucking down the earth ship and playing paintball ambassadorship. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I can ask you something like yeah and thanks. He goes,
Speaker 1: when are you going to make a new album? And
Speaker 1: it back on tour and I was for you, oh right,
Speaker 1: But this is because he snapped me. Because like after that,
Speaker 1: you know, I put out three mixed tapes, um, the
Speaker 1: gun Slinger series. UM. Then we eventually work on Rise
Speaker 1: Up and we get back on tour, we start touring
Speaker 1: heavy again. But it was those three years and it
Speaker 1: was that dude in that tournament who gave me the
Speaker 1: reality check like I should be working, you know, like
Speaker 1: enough of shout out to you, bro, because like you
Speaker 1: snapped me back in and I know, motherfucker's like, what
Speaker 1: the fund is wrong with him? We got you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And thank you for understanding that we
Speaker 1: never even know he's he's playing Papa. You know that's
Speaker 1: having a different times times. I'm thinking this is the
Speaker 1: same time, like yeah, because you who we want. We
Speaker 1: all got ship to do, like we all got fucking
Speaker 1: about twenty things to do. So whenever welcome miss right. No,
Speaker 1: he was a little home. He was look on this
Speaker 1: m on. Not to interrupt, but on the footage of Woodstock.
Speaker 1: I believe that's his footage, right, alchemist was there was
Speaker 1: it's my footage. He shot it on my camp on
Speaker 1: your camera. Yeah, has been there on that long shout alchemists.
Speaker 1: Alchemist want anybody to go to break Let's take it
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Speaker 1: or the other. If you pick both or neither, which
Speaker 1: is the politically correct answer. We're drinking. Everybody's drinking, though,
Speaker 1: we're drinking with you. We all drinking. We're all taking
Speaker 1: a shot. So you pick one what he drinks, you
Speaker 1: pick both or neither of them. We're all drinking. And
Speaker 1: then sny you drinking sary right, Yeah, no, he's on
Speaker 1: a cleanse right now, let's go. I want to ask
Speaker 1: you out to a question, and he's gonna ask y'all
Speaker 1: to a question and the same he said it to me. Yes,
Speaker 1: all right, so cool? You ready? I think so quick?
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Speaker 1: American me or blood in or blood out American American me.
Speaker 1: Don't look at me, little puppet. I'll scare of that movie,
Speaker 1: both of them, the other one legit, the legit story.
Speaker 1: American me to Helm, I'm blood and blood. That's when
Speaker 1: the white guy they're boating based in the same time.
Speaker 1: That's ill. That's ill. Okay, the chronic or all eyes
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Speaker 1: got you got the beat nuts or souls of Mischief
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Speaker 1: want to use alchemists that they didn't go together. No,
Speaker 1: Beatus is a group more than production. I'm not think
Speaker 1: of beating us a thing above. No beat Nuts are alchemists.
Speaker 1: That was the real one. Oh that was the real
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Speaker 1: makes a night of that Mama wheezy baby. This one,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that's gonna pick. And I need
Speaker 1: to know why you do pick this your own TV
Speaker 1: raps or video music box? You m TV raps um
Speaker 1: video music box? Okay, I need the explanation for both
Speaker 1: of y'all. You're unto raps because, um, they held it
Speaker 1: down through those earlier those years of hip hop when
Speaker 1: we really needed that show and I felt that, um,
Speaker 1: that whole, that whole thing that they did, and they
Speaker 1: spotlighted hip hop and then some of the greatest hip
Speaker 1: hoppers of all time. We're on that show Video music
Speaker 1: Box because they showed them TV the way, not with
Speaker 1: you and you next after that. M hmm, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: change it up though, Um big Boy or the Baker Boys,
Speaker 1: Big Boy, Big Boy Primo or Pete Rock, Hey Mony
Speaker 1: love or Yo Yo love is the last one all
Speaker 1: for ye together. Loyalty or respect And let's let's go
Speaker 1: one more one. Loyalty or respect, respect, loyalty break it down.
Speaker 1: If you can take a shot to work. I mean
Speaker 1: we gotta take the shot either. We all explain it about. Yes,
Speaker 1: he want some more, Mama wheezy. Loyalty, well, you know,
Speaker 1: loyalty because one person can't do it all by themselves.
Speaker 1: You need a team and you gotta be loyal to
Speaker 1: each other. And with loyalty comes to respect. Without it,
Speaker 1: there is no respect. And I agree with the brothers
Speaker 1: thoughts on what he said. But for me, you know,
Speaker 1: respect is everything. I don't care if you don't even
Speaker 1: like me, but when you when I come around, you
Speaker 1: show that respect. I mean yeah, I can see that. Uh.
Speaker 1: There's different levels of respect. Uh. But loyalty, Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're your's true, you stay loyal, you know, no
Speaker 1: matter what h oh man. So if he motherfucker's um
Speaker 1: loyal to you, he might not even agree with you,
Speaker 1: but he ain't gonna want to kill you because he's
Speaker 1: loyal to you, you know what I mean. But I
Speaker 1: could have respect for you, and I don't like what
Speaker 1: you're thinking all that ship and I'm gonna kill you,
Speaker 1: motherfucker because I am loyal to you. That was profile.
Speaker 1: Now what do you do? What do you? What do you? Guys?
Speaker 1: Love more making the record but performing the record. It's both.
Speaker 1: It's you can't have one without the other, especially in
Speaker 1: hip hop. You know what I'm saying, You gotta love both.
Speaker 1: I mean some are only good at one. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean the energy is different, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: When you make a record and you're in the fucking
Speaker 1: studio and you're smoking with the homies and then the
Speaker 1: beast saying and you the song is done, You're like, goddamn.
Speaker 1: And you listen to that ship and the fucking speakers
Speaker 1: on high and the ship's banging, You're like yeah. And
Speaker 1: then when you do a show and you got you know,
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand motherfucker's right there and you're rocking that ship,
Speaker 1: you're like, wo. It's just it's it's two different worlds.
Speaker 1: It's two different energies. You know. I mean it's two
Speaker 1: different ways of just living as an artist too. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like better at one and not not better
Speaker 1: at the other, but something co exist and just keep
Speaker 1: killing and killing. It's like connecting the piece to a puzzle. Right.
Speaker 1: If you come to see that song live, you as
Speaker 1: much as energy, the energy that you put into making
Speaker 1: that song, performing it is everything because you win people
Speaker 1: over in that performance. Like if you like your song
Speaker 1: and you're having fun to it, it becomes infectious if
Speaker 1: it's a good song, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: like you gotta want to do both. You can't be
Speaker 1: good at one and not the other. And some of
Speaker 1: us start good in the studio where ship live. But
Speaker 1: then if you work on it, you can become better
Speaker 1: at it. Like for me, I could say, you know,
Speaker 1: our first years, I was like my energy was you know,
Speaker 1: but longevity is I'm sorry, longevity is an artist tend
Speaker 1: to like keep your ecosystem like circulating and keep everything moving.
Speaker 1: Do your records, do your shows, do your records, do
Speaker 1: your shows? Do you just keep going and the more
Speaker 1: shows you do, you get better at it. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Because again I was shipped in the beginning,
Speaker 1: my energy was there, but my control and all that exercise, right,
Speaker 1: it came with time and doing it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So you've got to have love for both.
Speaker 1: You gotta love hitting that stage and performing that song
Speaker 1: as much as you did created create creating it. But
Speaker 1: once you already get it on the performance level, it's
Speaker 1: gotta be so fulfilling though, because something that's subjective in
Speaker 1: the studio that you think is dope within the studio, bro,
Speaker 1: and you take it out to the world, and that
Speaker 1: world gives you that energy back. That's got to be
Speaker 1: special energy in the studio, you're creating something from nothing,
Speaker 1: there's nothing there, and you walk into day and you
Speaker 1: come out with that motherfucker's song, right, like, we just
Speaker 1: made that ship show. But then the tours fun. But
Speaker 1: but it's the same ship every night, the same ship.
Speaker 1: The traveling is the hardest part. The shows are the
Speaker 1: fun part, right, and you're doing that every that but
Speaker 1: that's a different energy you get from the crowd. But
Speaker 1: the same ship is making the records right right, being uh,
Speaker 1: being part of being a musician. You know, I loved
Speaker 1: the stage. I love to perform in front of people.
Speaker 1: You know that jazz motherfucker's since he was five at
Speaker 1: the Playboy Jazz festical. You know what, but five what
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I knew him, I knew about
Speaker 1: the stage before recording. But the energy and recording and
Speaker 1: creating something is an incredible you know that energy. But
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get up on the stage and
Speaker 1: just like blow it up, kill it and just get
Speaker 1: that same reception or any kind of reception from you know,
Speaker 1: that big energy from the crowd. That's that's real fulfilling
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, for me, it's a it's a thing
Speaker 1: that I mean, I love being around the brothers in
Speaker 1: the studio, smoking joints, hidden the bond and all that
Speaker 1: ship and recording jams and all that ship. And then um,
Speaker 1: we get a chance to tour around the world and
Speaker 1: have people trip out on what the funk we just
Speaker 1: did you know six months earlier. So it all goes together.
Speaker 1: You if you if you don't record, you can't tour.
Speaker 1: So record to tour, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: and that's what it's all about. When when you come
Speaker 1: down to talking about being a musician and actively you know,
Speaker 1: uh you know hip hop band that we do our thing.
Speaker 1: You know, there's not one without the other. You know,
Speaker 1: you gotta have them both, you got and you gotta
Speaker 1: figure out that that balance in the process of your
Speaker 1: band blowing the funk up and becoming big time famous,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And remember that it's all
Speaker 1: about the recording, and then you gotta go do this
Speaker 1: fun ship and the fun ship isn't always so fun
Speaker 1: as it is work. Like Mouk just mentioned, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean that you also speaking of going on tour,
Speaker 1: how different was it going on toward lip Biscuit. It
Speaker 1: was different in the sense of, Okay, well let's start wound,
Speaker 1: you know, from back in the days, and we were
Speaker 1: doing just strictly hip hop shows and then we come
Speaker 1: across this Lollapellusa thing, right, and then everything switched from there.
Speaker 1: So from LATEO we saw people walking on top of
Speaker 1: each other, flipping backwards off the stage. And so when
Speaker 1: when when Bista came around, um and the size of
Speaker 1: the production and the things they outrageous things they were doing,
Speaker 1: because Biscuit was always outrageous, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So when we're seeing that ship, I'm like, Okay, we
Speaker 1: just gotta go up there and just be ourselves no
Speaker 1: matter what they do, which I give respect to you.
Speaker 1: You know, we just had to go out and represent,
Speaker 1: you know, be saying bobo and mugs and be and
Speaker 1: do what we do because that's what people came to
Speaker 1: watch us for, not not for not what they're gonna
Speaker 1: do is what we're gonna do. And we always figured
Speaker 1: out a way to you know, scratching that you know,
Speaker 1: marking that motherfucking stage that we were on and even
Speaker 1: it even that mark on there forever. Yeah, we're always
Speaker 1: competitive to about it. You know, like we were either
Speaker 1: gonna steal your slip. Biscuits told us BISU first time,
Speaker 1: the first time ever. It was like we're gonna give
Speaker 1: your music. No read the ship she worked hard for
Speaker 1: fresh and just shut up and sit back. Have to
Speaker 1: see conflicted about that. But you can't fight technology, and
Speaker 1: technology is the really ship. There was the horse and
Speaker 1: then there was the car, and the horse motherfucker's was
Speaker 1: like wet things driving out which Metallic was fighting in.
Speaker 1: They were never loses. So you know the record company's
Speaker 1: record companies were behind on that ship. You know, they
Speaker 1: didn't fall in the way they could have, and you
Speaker 1: know put a big debt in the game, but we
Speaker 1: saw something different. So we went on that tour with
Speaker 1: Biscuit and uh yeah, you know it was it was fun.
Speaker 1: I mean like, yeah, their production is crazy, but they
Speaker 1: scaled it down for that one because it was significantly
Speaker 1: smaller venues and they were playing at the time, all
Speaker 1: the shows was free for the fans. Yeah, nobody paid.
Speaker 1: You just got in line, whoever got in and the
Speaker 1: door was locked. Not for this crazy, not for nothing.
Speaker 1: We gave. We gave it a hell of a run though,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, those fans were there for it.
Speaker 1: Like when we went on and we played our set,
Speaker 1: it was significant impact, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: they were going crazy, It was explosive. That was what.
Speaker 1: What was the cool thing about Torn with Limp Biscuit
Speaker 1: is that you know, their fans and our fans, you know,
Speaker 1: mixed together well and it made it for a great tour,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Um, they brought it, We
Speaker 1: brought it, and it was a win win. But you know,
Speaker 1: at the time, because we were on this Napster tour,
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't very popular to be doing that ship.
Speaker 1: But you know, we're always like, well, seemed like at
Speaker 1: that time, especially like the industry devil, like this is right,
Speaker 1: but they kind of saw where the industry was gonna go,
Speaker 1: even if they didn't really fully know. They were. You
Speaker 1: gotta skate where the puck's about to go now. And
Speaker 1: for us, it was like, okay, Limp Biscuits asking us
Speaker 1: to play support role here you know, some great money,
Speaker 1: and we're like looking at it like it was all right,
Speaker 1: Um it was. It was more the fact that we
Speaker 1: were going to get it out in front of these fans,
Speaker 1: and like possibly when you guys obviously started, but it
Speaker 1: seems like you guys always understood the investment. You know
Speaker 1: what happens Like you might not get to show money
Speaker 1: that night, but your merch is gonna pop. You're publishing
Speaker 1: checks that are already crazy. I'm gonna pop because of
Speaker 1: that ship. You might have lost let a little bit
Speaker 1: of some for them shows for the intermediate, but for
Speaker 1: the long run, your's about the forever mailbox money just
Speaker 1: just there because you you sacrifice a little bit there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So you've gotta understand, you
Speaker 1: gotta look at your whole thing system and just like
Speaker 1: invest your time and energy where it's where it's the
Speaker 1: best for you to create the energy to get the
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And and the other thing was,
Speaker 1: you know, the competitive nature of it, right, being a
Speaker 1: hip hop group going with this this band that's very
Speaker 1: aggressive and holding ours within it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like we carry it and because that's important to us,
Speaker 1: like we can we you can put us in any
Speaker 1: fucking scenario and we're gonna rip ship. We There's been
Speaker 1: shows that we did where it's like all metal and
Speaker 1: we're the only hip hop on there. And this is
Speaker 1: before we started kind of doing the fusion type ship
Speaker 1: and just still playing hip hop. And we're opening for
Speaker 1: or playing support for Metallica and a fucking metal metal
Speaker 1: festival and fucking Germany. There's bio Hazard, there's Fear Factory,
Speaker 1: there's Deaf Tones, there's Corn There's all these different groups
Speaker 1: there and we're in there, right and as representative of
Speaker 1: hip hops were hip hop, we're fucking killing it in
Speaker 1: the middle of all these fucking metal groups who you
Speaker 1: know a lot of these cats came to see and
Speaker 1: and converting them into Cypress Hill fans, and that that's
Speaker 1: been one of the gifts that we've had, that competitive
Speaker 1: spirit in us that we're gonna go out there and
Speaker 1: we're gonna make it hard for whoever is coming on.
Speaker 1: Like for me, there was all these motherfucker's that they
Speaker 1: started like they couldn't wrap, so they started getting making
Speaker 1: rock bands and it was wrapping on rock shit, but
Speaker 1: they couldn't wrap. So we was like, oh, check this out,
Speaker 1: which I had to do this ship real quick, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's like we never had to have a big production,
Speaker 1: you know, all these crazy things on stage and everything
Speaker 1: like that in the props. We never had to do that,
Speaker 1: you know, and a lot of point you did. You had,
Speaker 1: like we had the skull on the backdrop for a
Speaker 1: long time and we tried to keep it like really
Speaker 1: like about our energy, right. And then there was the
Speaker 1: time we would take Buddha out with us and put
Speaker 1: him in front of the backdrop and holding that big
Speaker 1: gas leaf and you know, that was probably like the
Speaker 1: biggest stage figure that we ever had on stage. Next
Speaker 1: along with the King, we had a King that blew
Speaker 1: up and he was sitting on the drone with a
Speaker 1: big gass joint or split for whatever, and those, you know,
Speaker 1: those were the biggest sort of visuals that we ever
Speaker 1: had on stage with us, because for us, it was
Speaker 1: all about our energy. If we can't if we can't
Speaker 1: move the crowd on our energy alone and and not
Speaker 1: have all the fucking bells and whistles that you see
Speaker 1: a lot of groups spend a lot of production money on,
Speaker 1: then what the funk are we doing. If I can't
Speaker 1: rock a small if we can't rock a small club
Speaker 1: or a huge fucking house without all that ship, then
Speaker 1: what are we doing? And so we've always relied on
Speaker 1: our energy, and all that other ship is just you know,
Speaker 1: a visual to like be extra. So you know, we
Speaker 1: really we we really focused on light shows for a
Speaker 1: minute because we knew a lot of our fans pop
Speaker 1: shrooms before our show and would watch the show, so
Speaker 1: we gave him something to see, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But most of it is, you know, his energy on
Speaker 1: the turntables. His energy was before electronic music, like it was.
Speaker 1: We got the inspiration from psychedelic Rocket, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean from the sixties that that electronic music was weird
Speaker 1: for us growing up. Motherfucker's just like had high heels
Speaker 1: and some vaporizers on their nose. Never that ship was weird.
Speaker 1: We was like that ship is over there. You know
Speaker 1: what's crazy about the group is I could go to
Speaker 1: an all hardcore hip hop party the place type bizel.
Speaker 1: I can go to a soft party their place, sype
Speaker 1: of sales. I go to an all white party were
Speaker 1: literally it's only white people there, they're playing type of sales.
Speaker 1: I gotta go to any like you guys are universal group.
Speaker 1: Was that something that was calculated or was that something
Speaker 1: that was done by mistake? We just dead whatever the
Speaker 1: vibe was, you know, like you know it's it's it's
Speaker 1: like painting pictures. You know, mugs would make the beats
Speaker 1: and be like, yo, I hear this on this ship.
Speaker 1: So I would try to write what that was, and
Speaker 1: then you know same, you know, as we're constructing this
Speaker 1: ship is just working towards that goal of painting that
Speaker 1: fucking picture. Let me ask you how important it wasn't
Speaker 1: even important too to represent Latinos when you came out,
Speaker 1: like I always tell Nori when he when ceing n
Speaker 1: came on the scene, just him flipping those couple of
Speaker 1: Spanish words. Was it was it like a like a
Speaker 1: beacon for Latinos out there hip hop? You know? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Because but the thing is that what I try to
Speaker 1: explain to people, like, we never Latinos are part of
Speaker 1: hip hop culture, but you know, the DJs, the graffiti rs,
Speaker 1: the B boys, everything, we would never as much in
Speaker 1: the forefront for whatever reasons. And so for groups like
Speaker 1: you to come out, like did you guys know what
Speaker 1: you were doing? Like how much like what it could
Speaker 1: do for Latinos and hip hop? Not right away, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like we uh, as far as
Speaker 1: me speaking, and I think that we were just more
Speaker 1: concentrated on being a solid hip hop band. And and
Speaker 1: since my brother had already done the Latino thing and
Speaker 1: and Frost and these these are all guys that we
Speaker 1: rolled with, you know what I mean, And I kind
Speaker 1: of felt like we needed to be we need to separate,
Speaker 1: right But at the same time, um, it was coming.
Speaker 1: It was showing through, was coming through in the vocals,
Speaker 1: you know, and you could tell it kind of over,
Speaker 1: which is what exactly, well exactly and and and when
Speaker 1: I look back at it, I think it was a
Speaker 1: very important move to you know, to be on there
Speaker 1: on that level, because you know, it opened up to
Speaker 1: not just America or whatever, it opened up to the hope, Well,
Speaker 1: what's crazy is that, you know, we got signed from
Speaker 1: an all Spanish song that um Send Dog had done
Speaker 1: right called No it's called Caliente something like this, right,
Speaker 1: and you know that's what I got to sign, but
Speaker 1: obviously wouldn't end up using it. But like you know,
Speaker 1: they saw the potential in an a Latino hip hop group,
Speaker 1: which there wasn't at the time, and we happened to
Speaker 1: be Latino's you know what I mean, And so they
Speaker 1: thought we're gonna lean on that, and we were like, nah,
Speaker 1: don't put us in that box. We're gonna sprinkle ship.
Speaker 1: We're gonna sprinkle our ship like mugs would say. You know,
Speaker 1: We're gonna just sprinkle little pieces of it because realistically
Speaker 1: there's no market for that, and we're gonna be was
Speaker 1: I mean, like you came out like you marketed yourself
Speaker 1: as Latino and then like, let's make dope music. You
Speaker 1: don't even need to know what we look like. We're
Speaker 1: gonna do like this, hence the mystery of the music.
Speaker 1: Here's the music, you know what I mean, boom, and
Speaker 1: we sprinkled it with lots of ship because it is
Speaker 1: a part of who we are, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't lean on it like this is
Speaker 1: my life because because at that time, if you were Latino,
Speaker 1: you were expected to sound like either Frost or Mellow,
Speaker 1: and we weren't that, and we weren't going yeah, and
Speaker 1: we weren't going to allow anyone to box us in
Speaker 1: like that because we were we were trying to make
Speaker 1: hip hop music, not Latino hip hop. And in doing
Speaker 1: that and saying, you know, don't market us this way,
Speaker 1: market us as a hip hop group, we opened the
Speaker 1: doors for other Latinos because we showed what Latinos can
Speaker 1: do just without a fucking label, just being a hip
Speaker 1: hop group, you know, and that's a label in itself,
Speaker 1: but it was representing hip hop because you weren't overtly
Speaker 1: trying to be Latinos, were just being hip hop being Latino.
Speaker 1: It's a difference. And we never really we never really
Speaker 1: played to it heavy. It was just sprinkles. It was
Speaker 1: like the Weed songs. It wasn't like ship like we
Speaker 1: planned it. You know. It was like whatever mugs gave me,
Speaker 1: if it spoke to me this way, this is the
Speaker 1: way I'm going right, So that's that's the way the
Speaker 1: Latino ship was. All this ship sounds like, and you know,
Speaker 1: we come from a different part of that. He's nice
Speaker 1: for a Latino that's used to say things like that,
Speaker 1: and I'm nice for period, like, oh like he's nice,
Speaker 1: but he's nice for a Latino, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like they used to say ship like that. I think
Speaker 1: I think you guys transcended that. And I think with
Speaker 1: Debt all was puny because my man right there and
Speaker 1: Joe as well. Yes, but but you know, and saluted
Speaker 1: Joe man flowers to my man that before I walked down,
Speaker 1: Joe called me, I forget what you called me about.
Speaker 1: This was crazy because I was so studying y'all and
Speaker 1: I was like trying to get him what he was like.
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, I'm about the interview type of sales.
Speaker 1: He said, well, those are the only guys I look
Speaker 1: up to. Joe is my man. He's we've always been
Speaker 1: locked in, man. You know, he asked me to get
Speaker 1: on on a record with him, punning Coogi Rapp and
Speaker 1: that was like, wow, it was still not a player joint. Yeah,
Speaker 1: coming up, but you know, it's so salute to my
Speaker 1: man Joe, and there's much respect. But pun was a
Speaker 1: different animal. You know what I'm saying in terms of
Speaker 1: being an m C and a writer and a stylist,
Speaker 1: Like a lot of motherfucker's are not doing ship unless
Speaker 1: they hurt his style. And you know, I foxed with
Speaker 1: pun in that way because he was stylish, like with
Speaker 1: his flippage, his burbage and just he was rest in peace. Man.
Speaker 1: He was one. He was one of the best. He
Speaker 1: don't get enough flower, one of the best. Told me
Speaker 1: to say something. Do you remember what you were saying,
Speaker 1: you were gonna say something, you were saying something, Remember, right,
Speaker 1: you got anything? Then? You know. Um on the Latino thing,
Speaker 1: I think it kind of also hit when we went
Speaker 1: to places like South America and they love hip hop,
Speaker 1: but Cypus Hill gave them something that they can relate to,
Speaker 1: they can understand and they can they can relate and
Speaker 1: doing like when we did this the Spanish album, that
Speaker 1: was like for them. It's like, oh my god, they're
Speaker 1: really like listening to us. You know that this is
Speaker 1: for us. And when we do like I want to
Speaker 1: get High in Spanish, they're singing the hook. I mean
Speaker 1: he doesn't even have to he doesn't even have to
Speaker 1: sing the hook. Are you about to cry no, but
Speaker 1: but they don't, you know, they sing the hook because
Speaker 1: it's it's like something like wow, you know they got it,
Speaker 1: you know because a lot of them they're not speaking
Speaker 1: in English, but they love hip hop. Was crazy seeing that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, before we even did our Spanish um album
Speaker 1: or rep whatever you want to call it, to go
Speaker 1: in in these Spanish speaking countries and them, you know,
Speaker 1: singing songs all in English. They don't know what the
Speaker 1: funk or maybe they got some sort of translation on it,
Speaker 1: but it's a lot of slang, so how do you
Speaker 1: properly translate that? Right? But to see them singing the
Speaker 1: songs and you know, for us that album, that Spanish album, right,
Speaker 1: that was that was our play and saying you know what,
Speaker 1: we know we got a Latino fan base. We're gonna
Speaker 1: fucking smash one for him, right yeah, And we didn't
Speaker 1: really know how, yeah, well it would be received because
Speaker 1: like the way they send sand Dog and I Flipped
Speaker 1: in Spanish in Los Angeles, it's a different sort of
Speaker 1: it's a hybrid, you know what I mean. So like everywhere,
Speaker 1: like anywhere, it has but it's not matter because everybody's
Speaker 1: just gonna write it's representative that. So we didn't know that.
Speaker 1: We were just doing the ship and when it hit
Speaker 1: in South America and it hit in Spain and it
Speaker 1: you know, in Central America. Man, we were like, oh
Speaker 1: ship and then you're like, it's a whole another career
Speaker 1: that just opened up that wasn't there yesterday like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the fucking birth like and all that, like you and us.
Speaker 1: You know, I was aout to say you. I was
Speaker 1: just want to say that because you know, I still
Speaker 1: always take advantage of that. I did reggae throw and
Speaker 1: I would be like we would go to like hip
Speaker 1: hop spots and then I would not the Spanish people
Speaker 1: when they build it up like I'm taking full advantage.
Speaker 1: I'm taking I remember one year, Um I had the
Speaker 1: port of e Read and um it was me, Jada
Speaker 1: Kiss and somebody else and I broke out. So so
Speaker 1: I broke out Nina Sky, Daddy, Joe, everybody. And if
Speaker 1: I get everybody like yeah, I mean I take full advantage.
Speaker 1: And I remember, you know I did some ship with
Speaker 1: with Tony Touch. Salute to the many documents. When we
Speaker 1: made the cup, we did interview for it made the cut.
Speaker 1: But I've seen people posted props document you understanding. So
Speaker 1: I've done many collaborations with you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: that's one of my good friends. You to your motherfucker.
Speaker 1: And you know, so I did this joint with him
Speaker 1: and Nina Sky, and you know, he wanted to film
Speaker 1: a video for it. I'm like, oh, hell yeah, he's
Speaker 1: all fly to New York, poppy. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I got you. So I go out there and we
Speaker 1: do it and it's for Puerto Rican Day parade, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it was wild. We don't have that ship in l A.
Speaker 1: So like it was just another experience. It's like when
Speaker 1: it's not that it's not the same thing, the same thing,
Speaker 1: and you know, mugs would give me experiences and ship
Speaker 1: like this. But like Tony asked me to come out
Speaker 1: to do the video for for that ship, and you
Speaker 1: know it was fucking amazing. And then Fat Joe comes
Speaker 1: through on his float. He got the flies in the
Speaker 1: Puerto Rican they parade. It was like nothing, man, you know,
Speaker 1: Like that's that's the cool thing about New York, man,
Speaker 1: is it has like party out. You've got cultures, got
Speaker 1: man cultures s. Every culture is thick and celebrated You
Speaker 1: know what's funny about the parade. My father used to
Speaker 1: make me ride the train and I used to sit
Speaker 1: on this cooler and he's made don't get up to cooler,
Speaker 1: and then I would sit on the cooler and then
Speaker 1: we will make it to the actual We gotta get
Speaker 1: there only to get a spot. So you gotta get
Speaker 1: there like around seven seven some thirty eight. So I've
Speaker 1: opened up the cooler and my father will have me
Speaker 1: selling beers. I swear to God, seven years old, nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with this selling beers and man had at the
Speaker 1: point of raided seven years how much right having practs
Speaker 1: because back then you should get a bear for a ball,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like if you're going
Speaker 1: to a basketball game, that beer for like twelve bucks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it might be five at this point. Yeah, she is
Speaker 1: crazy 'all here. So what made you I want to
Speaker 1: do this documentary? I think the history of it all
Speaker 1: is important, you know what I mean, because we were
Speaker 1: the the kids we were. We were the kids that
Speaker 1: everybody had caught it out, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: no point of view. Wee know I'm talking about from
Speaker 1: the original reception. But he was off, you know, doing
Speaker 1: some hardcore game bang and stuff. I was working warehouses,
Speaker 1: hadn't met Bobo yet. Muggs was always the driven one
Speaker 1: trying to you know, you know, go get him. You know,
Speaker 1: we need him freezing. He was already us before that
Speaker 1: group and and you know so that but that group
Speaker 1: was the entry into the game, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And because we were already boys before then, you know,
Speaker 1: Julio g salute to him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And you know, we were like minded individuals, all of us.
Speaker 1: The type of ship we listened to aside from hip
Speaker 1: hop before hip hop and hip hop, you know that
Speaker 1: this is like something we all had in common. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know that's how we met Muggs was was through
Speaker 1: Julio and ship like that. So for a second, like, um,
Speaker 1: like how did you how did you hook up with Julio? Uh?
Speaker 1: I was you're bigger Julio. I had a homeboy in
Speaker 1: Bell Gardens that had a cousin and knew Julio and
Speaker 1: I was d Jane, but he wasn't was about some
Speaker 1: freestyle ship and it was all Latino. You know, all
Speaker 1: the neighbors was lat you know what we was sped
Speaker 1: at the party and that was the hip hop he played.
Speaker 1: So I was I was on some hip hop and
Speaker 1: he was like, Yo, my my cousin's homing. He's on
Speaker 1: some hip hop ship. So I went to this club.
Speaker 1: It was a Capri, right, yeah, this club called a
Speaker 1: Capri right there, but right right right where they lived
Speaker 1: and ship. So I went over there, met Julio and
Speaker 1: then kicked with Julio for about a year d Jane
Speaker 1: and then one day he was like, you want to
Speaker 1: bring these dudes over. We need to make a cassette
Speaker 1: cool And I was like, pull up, and then he came,
Speaker 1: your brother came. How did y'all go with Julio that? Well,
Speaker 1: Julio was you know, he went to south Gate High
Speaker 1: with yeah, with with Sin Dog's brother and and so
Speaker 1: we knew Julio through and he was, you know, in
Speaker 1: the B boys circles over there. Man, he was nice
Speaker 1: on the floor, but so was Bugs Mugs a beast
Speaker 1: on the motherfucking for my different story, but you know,
Speaker 1: we knew Julio through through uh through Mellow, you know,
Speaker 1: and they were both into the hip hop ship, you know,
Speaker 1: be boying and all that stuff before we got into rapid.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, and so that's how we
Speaker 1: knew Julio, and Julio eventually transitioned out of the B
Speaker 1: Boys shipped into the turntables, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And and um, you know that's when these two guys met,
Speaker 1: when they both transitioned transitioned out of the B Boys
Speaker 1: shipped into you know, getting on the turntables and doing ship.
Speaker 1: And so we knew Julio for a while, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Um, we saw him go from you know,
Speaker 1: doing doing breakdown shipped into going to turntables and eventually
Speaker 1: going to k which was the hip hop station in
Speaker 1: l A at the time. And it's like, you know
Speaker 1: how there is a certain clubs and the certain parties
Speaker 1: in that neighborhood, right and we're all going to those
Speaker 1: clubs and parties and you see my fucker's like going
Speaker 1: through their stages and ship and and you know, so Julio,
Speaker 1: we saw him go through all that, and uh, you
Speaker 1: know when we were just sort of doing this ship
Speaker 1: at as a hobby, he you know, them them too
Speaker 1: met and were fully felt like this time we didn't know,
Speaker 1: we didn't know who who he was too young, he
Speaker 1: was he was that was this was like in what
Speaker 1: eighties seven six, I was sixteen years old. We was
Speaker 1: kicking in the eighty six and our first record came
Speaker 1: out of and so we was kicking it. Yeah. They
Speaker 1: actually went to high school together, right, so so we
Speaker 1: were always aware of his of him in the area. Right.
Speaker 1: So when we first started, you know, doing the rap thing,
Speaker 1: the only other guy in Salgate High School that DJ
Speaker 1: was Julio G. Yeah, And Julio was Mellow's DJ. And
Speaker 1: when he got on with Mentetosa and all that, like
Speaker 1: for his most Mellows run, it was Julio GA. Yeah
Speaker 1: and yeah as his DJ. And and Tony G was
Speaker 1: you know, his his like the guy that that Julio
Speaker 1: was like apprentice to you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: Tony was like the master at the fucking time. We
Speaker 1: all looked up to Tony G. And you know, Julio
Speaker 1: G came from Tony, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: and we you know, we went that far back with Julio,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's why he even spent time on
Speaker 1: tour with us like DJ. And you know what I'm saying, Um,
Speaker 1: So salute to Julio G. If it wasn't for Julio.
Speaker 1: We don't meet mugs and there's no fucking Cyprus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's that connection that all of a sudden happened
Speaker 1: one year and yeah, and Julio was from Linwood. It
Speaker 1: was from South Catia. We was kicking it and then
Speaker 1: one day we had a homeboy named Eli. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I met these two dudes from New York called Breton
Speaker 1: Seawn from seven eight three. It was these two kids
Speaker 1: from East New York from Linden Projects in East New York.
Speaker 1: And it was signed with Iced Tea. And then I
Speaker 1: got down with them and it was signed Nice Tea.
Speaker 1: And then we were throwing the party in East l A.
Speaker 1: And they came and he was like, Hey, you want
Speaker 1: to do a show with us. We're throwing a party
Speaker 1: in East and they came and then um, eventually I
Speaker 1: got with them, put out a record with them on Colors,
Speaker 1: the Color Sounds track. Yeah, and then um we went
Speaker 1: out and put out the album and Ship and you know,
Speaker 1: and those are some of the homies too. He was
Speaker 1: down with Raps the Kid at one point, right Syndicate,
Speaker 1: Iced Tea rom Syndicate, Um that group seven eight three
Speaker 1: was down with Ron syndicate, so um we we we
Speaker 1: was down with Iced Tea. He was like a little
Speaker 1: older homie, you know what I mean, putting us up
Speaker 1: on game talking ship, letting us know us up. He's like,
Speaker 1: you want to be in this rap game, y'all want
Speaker 1: to hang out and like flex in front of these
Speaker 1: bitches and ship, you know what I mean. Yeah, y'all,
Speaker 1: motherfucker's don't even put in the motherfucking work, you know
Speaker 1: I mean, putting the motherfucking work HOMEI you gotta show
Speaker 1: up to the ship eight hours a day, like a
Speaker 1: fucking job if you think you want to get money.
Speaker 1: And like eighties seven and I was, I was a
Speaker 1: little kid, like, hey man, we gotta put in this
Speaker 1: fucking work. You know. If we're gonna get this ship,
Speaker 1: this ain't like a little a little hobby or something.
Speaker 1: If we're gonna do this ship, we're gonna do it right.
Speaker 1: We need to put the working like it's a nine
Speaker 1: to five, you know what I mean. And then he
Speaker 1: was always closest to the sources, so we'd absorbed from him, no,
Speaker 1: because he'd be with like Ice and them, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Absorbed. The music industry was small back then,
Speaker 1: you know, there was nothing. There was like there was
Speaker 1: no access to a record label. You had to know
Speaker 1: homie either knew a homie or I knew you that
Speaker 1: knew somebody at the label. But that was it. There
Speaker 1: wasn't there wasn't a shortcut to the label. And I
Speaker 1: got a big up Brett b you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because he actually taught me how to write a song.
Speaker 1: I went, you know, I was writing raps before and
Speaker 1: I was pretty good at writing, but like I didn't
Speaker 1: know shit about writing songs and he knew that, you know,
Speaker 1: back then and rapped. There wasn't hooks yet was rapping,
Speaker 1: so it was like hooks like bridges making songs, making
Speaker 1: records like another another music genres they were doing that,
Speaker 1: you know, but in hip hop it wasn't so prevalent, right,
Speaker 1: So you know the one thing about Brett is he
Speaker 1: showed me how to break those pieces down, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, because like I didn't know how to
Speaker 1: write a song up until you know, we I think
Speaker 1: it was I think maybe hand on the pump like
Speaker 1: was like the key in where I was like, oh
Speaker 1: I get it now, you know what I mean? In
Speaker 1: our demos in our in all our demos, like, and
Speaker 1: we did a lot their ship that you know, people
Speaker 1: would trip out on because we don't even sound like
Speaker 1: us at that point. But you know, at a point
Speaker 1: where we snapped in right hand on the Pump was
Speaker 1: one of the songs where Brett like we co wrote
Speaker 1: that song. He took lead, but I co wrote it,
Speaker 1: and that sort of gave me the oh, this is
Speaker 1: how you write a structure, right, And so I started instructuring,
Speaker 1: structuring all my writing after this. And man, if it
Speaker 1: wasn't for that experience with fucking Brett, I would have
Speaker 1: never never learned how to write a song. So salute
Speaker 1: to you, Brett. What I'm saying, So you guys marketed
Speaker 1: yourself as like the rap chech Chong, right, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I pronounced, But how dope was it for
Speaker 1: them to embrace y'all like because you have seen him
Speaker 1: on the dog like at the being that had joke.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like, you know, your friends broke into their
Speaker 1: house kids growing up, you know, teaching chunk movies or
Speaker 1: everything for us kids in the south Gate, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to be like them, led to all this ship here.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of very I received it very well,
Speaker 1: and I was very grateful, you know. You know, for me,
Speaker 1: it wasn't more like not necessarily being like them, because
Speaker 1: we're not like them, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: but but it was representing the way they did unapologetically
Speaker 1: rebellious style and they didn't really care what people thought,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So we said we're going
Speaker 1: to be that because this is who it is who
Speaker 1: we are. And you know, they were definitely an inspiration
Speaker 1: because we all grew up to their movies. We was
Speaker 1: like on the corner drinking, smoking, doing whatever right there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And he was like, let's
Speaker 1: just go on the studio and do the same ship,
Speaker 1: start making records. It was like all the money is better, right.
Speaker 1: And meeting Teach and Chong. I mean, I think that's
Speaker 1: the part, because you know, people could have been like, well,
Speaker 1: these kids are kind of like kind of trying to
Speaker 1: be like us up, but they didn't do that. They
Speaker 1: actually embraced Yeah, that's what's dope about. They were actually
Speaker 1: on two of our albums. They did um intro pieces
Speaker 1: or like you know, transition pieces or you know, sketches
Speaker 1: or whatever, and Like I remember the first time we
Speaker 1: did some ship with them, I couldn't keep it together.
Speaker 1: I was laughing the whole time and I blew the
Speaker 1: session because Chong was hilariously funny. You know what I'm saying. Um,
Speaker 1: I know that's redundant, but he was. Um. But having
Speaker 1: them say, yes, right, what We've been praising them the
Speaker 1: whole time and you know, sort of referencing them in lines,
Speaker 1: and then like you know, Red and everybody else did
Speaker 1: after that, Um, you know, it was everything to have
Speaker 1: them come and do sketches for us and be funny
Speaker 1: for us, and then develop a relationship with them because
Speaker 1: I didn't eating greets with Chong and you know, sat
Speaker 1: with both of them and in different places that we've
Speaker 1: all done that with them, and they really embraced us,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, you know, to have
Speaker 1: like guys that influenced us be like that, you know,
Speaker 1: funk man. I mean, there's there's no words that can
Speaker 1: really describe that. It's sort of like Chuck d I mean,
Speaker 1: we grew up fucking with Public Enemy like it was
Speaker 1: one of our biggest influences. And to be able to
Speaker 1: work with them and embrace it, Yes, it's it's surreal.
Speaker 1: But with Cheach and Chong, I mean they they were
Speaker 1: one of the biggest influences in terms of the cannabis representations.
Speaker 1: So for them to embrace us and say, yeah, these
Speaker 1: motherfucker's are the guys, we funk with them. Everybody else
Speaker 1: that was in that industry funked with us at them.
Speaker 1: You know, at that point, did you ever have a
Speaker 1: smoke off with them that needs to happen? Maybe back
Speaker 1: in their younger days they smoked a lot, but like
Speaker 1: I think one of them a smoke them one of them, yeah,
Speaker 1: well they they they sort of sort of smoke, but
Speaker 1: it could out smoke be real coome man, who's gonna
Speaker 1: smoke your body? Fucking with me and got my money
Speaker 1: on any of the house. You know, all the guys
Speaker 1: that we know as the big smoke or smoke a lot, right,
Speaker 1: either they smoke a lot of joints, or they smoke
Speaker 1: a lot of blunts, or might one might do a
Speaker 1: lot of dab hits or this or that, right, I
Speaker 1: do it all so like you know in the realm
Speaker 1: of of of of the homies where we all smoke heavy.
Speaker 1: I mean, we can all smoke flour together like you know,
Speaker 1: and Hank, you know, as many joints as I could smoke,
Speaker 1: Burner and Snoop could smoke as many smoked as a currency.
Speaker 1: All the guys, right, they're all pros. They would just
Speaker 1: be one big smoke session. But the guys who could
Speaker 1: do everything, that's that's that's Whizzing myself. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: saying we do it all like. So, if it's edibles,
Speaker 1: we funk with that. If it's if it's the dabs,
Speaker 1: we do that. If it's the flowers smoking, we do
Speaker 1: all that. So really, you know, Whiz is like a
Speaker 1: fucking monster, like I am, I don't do all of that.
Speaker 1: The other day on dream chance that was true, we
Speaker 1: used to doom stage, but that was shool like row shooms,
Speaker 1: that was chocolate all that I like. But this crew
Speaker 1: right here, we used to do shrooms on stage. We
Speaker 1: pop like maybe an eighth of shrooms. And yeah, the
Speaker 1: documentary we got offended by that. Oh yeah, we were
Speaker 1: doing we were doing this place, and we were doing
Speaker 1: this place called Casamino Real, right and and it's a
Speaker 1: it's a spot that was legend area and early hip
Speaker 1: hop in Los Angeles. A lot bangers and everything, right,
Speaker 1: and I remember we got this purple unicorn acid. Remember
Speaker 1: that ship, your purple and unicorn. Yes, somebody got it
Speaker 1: at a Grateful Day. Somebody got it at a Grateful
Speaker 1: Dead concert doors and we fucking popped it. Do you
Speaker 1: remember that? No, I don't definitely popped the ship with me.
Speaker 1: We were like, oh no, no, you weren't there. Maybe
Speaker 1: I was the only one that popped. And I swear
Speaker 1: to God, dog, I popped the ship, and and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like we're doing the show and everything got crazy,
Speaker 1: like in the middle of the show, like I'm walking
Speaker 1: on stage and I'm feeling like I'm walking in quicksand right,
Speaker 1: that's one. And then you know, this is at the
Speaker 1: time where the new style of lighting is coming on,
Speaker 1: with those fucking beams that switched lers there like a stream. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm like in the middle of the show and
Speaker 1: I start peeking and I catch eye with that fucking
Speaker 1: beam and I'm just looking up at the light, doing
Speaker 1: my verse, like totally concentrating on the light show that's
Speaker 1: happening above me. And I don't know what these guys
Speaker 1: were doing in the middle of that, but I was
Speaker 1: just totally fucking snapped into that fucking light show. And
Speaker 1: that was the type of ship there would happen when
Speaker 1: we were sucking doing psychedelics on stage, because most of
Speaker 1: the mushrooms cost well, we would but most a lot
Speaker 1: of other times we were doing mushrooms. I took a
Speaker 1: mess tab one night and I was on a sea saw,
Speaker 1: but I was about myself and not You just take
Speaker 1: an ounce of mushrooms and put them in a coffee
Speaker 1: grinder and grind them up to dust and then put
Speaker 1: them in some honey. That part a little take little spoon.
Speaker 1: Is that much musom and you could take that honey?
Speaker 1: Did muroom teath all? That's easy stort of doing the
Speaker 1: much room mushroom. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that gets you quick
Speaker 1: and it likes you already and it just like turns
Speaker 1: you well. If you take too much, it's not like
Speaker 1: it's not too high. We never did Michael does back
Speaker 1: of those those days. It was all your overdog. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other one time I did it was no micro
Speaker 1: dos back. Everything was overdose. I did some mushroom tea.
Speaker 1: We were doing Smoking Gurus uh tour and uh it
Speaker 1: was in Colorado and some homies came, you know, and
Speaker 1: they brought some mushroom tea and everything they said, they said,
Speaker 1: only take a little bit. I did, like the whole
Speaker 1: damn cut a lot of he did a lot of
Speaker 1: whatever anybody tell y'all to do, right, Yeah, and uh,
Speaker 1: within minutes, I was, I was done. I was sniquing
Speaker 1: all over. Man. I only knew this fool's phone number,
Speaker 1: I mean on the hotel phone, you know room. And
Speaker 1: the first thing I says, I can't think it was
Speaker 1: like some horrible ship. I'm like bobo and he's like
Speaker 1: help me. Yeah he was. Yeah, And I don't remember
Speaker 1: that show. But I somehow made it to the stage
Speaker 1: and I couldn't play. For the first time in my life,
Speaker 1: I could not play. I somehow got up on the
Speaker 1: stage and I was playing some crazy rhythms to the multiverse,
Speaker 1: playing some other rhythms that he did not understand. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it might be. It's like cutting me off the stage
Speaker 1: and put me in the bunk, Like, yo, get this
Speaker 1: fool off the stage, you know. So yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: no for him puts your favor place to perform at.
Speaker 1: That's tough because everywhere, you know, we get a pretty
Speaker 1: goddamn good reception. New York has always been crazy with
Speaker 1: our annual you know showdown there. Nuts. But I would
Speaker 1: say in the last like big shows that we did,
Speaker 1: like Festival Style France, France, then motherfucker's went off for
Speaker 1: some cypress hillship right. They get live when it's them properly, um,
Speaker 1: you know, and it goes off correctly, you know, Los Angeles, California.
Speaker 1: I always liked it from my own backyard and flex
Speaker 1: my style south Gate Nigga south Gate like in recent
Speaker 1: years chaotic. They don't want us down there, you mean,
Speaker 1: doesn't want us down there, Not not because they hate us,
Speaker 1: you know, Um, it's because it would it would probably
Speaker 1: be chaotic. And I don't know if they're ready for that,
Speaker 1: you know, done properly. But what better example than you
Speaker 1: guys for the kids in the youth and south. I'm
Speaker 1: just waiting for them to call him for the Christmas
Speaker 1: Day float where he goes down the street in a
Speaker 1: whip and stuff. You know what I'm saying. Did you
Speaker 1: guys ever feel at any point that you weren't doing
Speaker 1: like you weren't a part of hip hop anymore? Because
Speaker 1: this is one thing that I think about That's ill
Speaker 1: about Cypress Hill is that regardless of how many, like
Speaker 1: if you went into the rock realm or whatever, it
Speaker 1: felt like you guys always kept it hip hop, hip hop,
Speaker 1: no matter where you guys ventured off into whatever, fest
Speaker 1: of those whatever brown and and it shows with also
Speaker 1: the people you collaborated with, like as you kept moving
Speaker 1: forward the Cypress I mean, the wood Tangs, the Fooji Joint,
Speaker 1: which mind you, the foodie joined in the whole of
Speaker 1: the realm. There's a whole other conversation because of the
Speaker 1: Haitian Cuban thing, which in Miami it was a big
Speaker 1: deal for us, you know. But it feels like you've
Speaker 1: always kept it hip hop, regardless of where you guys
Speaker 1: ventured off into. That's our roots, you know. Um, I
Speaker 1: think others thought we were venturing away and trying to
Speaker 1: do something different, but we were just being you know,
Speaker 1: creative and experimental. You know, the the hybrid ship with
Speaker 1: the rock stuff that happened on Skull and Bones. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, we had done a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of rap songs, a lot of hip hop songs, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I think we were wet at
Speaker 1: thirty Deep or some ship right album thing? Yeah, is
Speaker 1: that that's what you're talking to? It was like yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was because we were ahead of schedule and
Speaker 1: we had so many fucking hip hop songs and Send
Speaker 1: Dog was sort of into that that that scene. At
Speaker 1: that point, Mugs said, we're gonna do some different ship
Speaker 1: right here and at this sort of field. So, you know,
Speaker 1: like we always do, we threw caution to the fucking
Speaker 1: wind and just started started started experimenting with the ship.
Speaker 1: And you know, because we knew we had a base
Speaker 1: of fans that fucked with that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: They weren't necessarily hip hop fans, because all through our
Speaker 1: ship we'd go on tour and motherfucker's would come up,
Speaker 1: Hey I don't necessarily listen to hip hop, but I
Speaker 1: funk with you guys, right, And so you know, we
Speaker 1: knew we had fans out there like that. So you know,
Speaker 1: we said, well, let's take a chance Send Dog like
Speaker 1: this sort of direction. Fuck it, we're gonna go. And
Speaker 1: that sort of became the thing for a second, and
Speaker 1: we even you know, to to to double stack on that.
Speaker 1: You know, we brought a band out on on tour
Speaker 1: with us. You know, we created our band and you know,
Speaker 1: put them back there and played some of the songs
Speaker 1: that we created four Skull and Bones that were like,
Speaker 1: you know, the hybrid ship, and people accepted it there.
Speaker 1: I mean, people going nuts for that ship. I mean
Speaker 1: like the Beastie boys would flip between instruments and go
Speaker 1: into the ship and it's like ten years of rocking
Speaker 1: ship and rocking shows. It's like, Okay, we want some
Speaker 1: new ship to do live and they keep doing what
Speaker 1: we do, but then the show is gonna flip with
Speaker 1: the band, you know what I mean. So it kept
Speaker 1: it kept live fun, right, right. You guys all live
Speaker 1: in the same apartment at one point, well, you know,
Speaker 1: Muggs lived in these apartments songs on Kingsley in Hollywood,
Speaker 1: and most of the fucking uh, what's the fucking syndicate,
Speaker 1: we're up in this apartment building, right, and so that's
Speaker 1: where we would always be at Muggs spot because he
Speaker 1: wants this complex to with Grand like everybody, yeah, Grand.
Speaker 1: It was like eight hundred dollars for like a two bedroom.
Speaker 1: A lot of the guys that a lot of them
Speaker 1: are the guys that were a lot of guys that
Speaker 1: were in rhyme syndicate. They lived in this particular apartment which,
Speaker 1: ever last was a part of Rhyme Syndicate as well.
Speaker 1: He didn't necessarily live there. He lived in the valley
Speaker 1: at this point. But you know, guys like Mugs and
Speaker 1: Aladdin lived together in this building. Um from Low Profile,
Speaker 1: so we knew, we knew dub C before you know,
Speaker 1: No Aladdin, he was from a group called Low Profile
Speaker 1: with WCT. He'd be with w C and Coolioh and
Speaker 1: Aladdin and then department partment would be no furniture. There
Speaker 1: was like milk crates. The TV was on the milk crate. Crazy,
Speaker 1: it was. It was crazy. All the motherfucker's that that
Speaker 1: he would bring records back to us to listen to.
Speaker 1: You know, like the old school crews. They some of
Speaker 1: them were living in this fucking department complex. Like yes,
Speaker 1: like casts like Prince Whipple Whipping fucking you know, guys
Speaker 1: like that and Um, they were all in the apartment
Speaker 1: building and you know, we were fucking just all like
Speaker 1: a little community right there. We're taking game from like
Speaker 1: the likes of Cast because that's ill that had someone
Speaker 1: like us. Well he was around you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But like you know, it was just the folks we
Speaker 1: were around, like some of the guys that like, we
Speaker 1: was listening to their ship and just to see that
Speaker 1: around here, Just see that around you know, because a
Speaker 1: lot of those dudes from the East Coast at that time,
Speaker 1: the old school cats moved over here to get down
Speaker 1: with Iced Tea because he was creating the Rhyme Syndicate
Speaker 1: and he was embracing a lot of those old school
Speaker 1: cats and yeah, and uh, you know a lot of
Speaker 1: them embraced us. They embraced mugs first, then eventually myself
Speaker 1: and San Dog and you know, so to them, motherfucker's man.
Speaker 1: You know. Um, I was like they were the first
Speaker 1: real clique in Los Angeles, right, yeah, it's like eight
Speaker 1: you know, I like, yeah, Rhyme Syndicate. They were like
Speaker 1: the real first click See that's the homie. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the godfather. We have Whack on here. And Whack
Speaker 1: said that I t is originally from New Jersey. He
Speaker 1: might have been born there yet, but like you know'tah no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's a fact. You know, he was born there, much
Speaker 1: like Bobo was born in fucking Hollis. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But you know, where you're raised, that's a
Speaker 1: different I'm raised in Miami. That's kind of where you're from,
Speaker 1: you know, that's where you're at now. A ninety to
Speaker 1: the Billboard Awards, I believe you guys one award and
Speaker 1: then you said legalize it? Yeah, year, is this right now?
Speaker 1: Thousands and two? Sir? Yes, sir, it's still not officially, yeah,
Speaker 1: but um, we made some fucking gains, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. There's thirty seven states that have legal is
Speaker 1: it legal cannabis or medicinal cannabis, and that's a big
Speaker 1: step for use. Yes, decriminalizing on a lot of levels. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's decriminalized in a lot of these places. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we're still working towards federal and it's you know,
Speaker 1: maybe within the next five ten years, but it's going
Speaker 1: in that direction. And you know, if you ask us
Speaker 1: does that happen, Like if you ask us, does this happen,
Speaker 1: you know, we might say, yeah, we're working towards that.
Speaker 1: We you know, you don't know the fucking future, but
Speaker 1: we know what we're working towards, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We know the possibilities. We were looking at places like
Speaker 1: what you know how Amsterdam was going down and we're
Speaker 1: like that, well that's possible for us here. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: to cut you off for a second, but let me
Speaker 1: let you know how bad that we laws used to be.
Speaker 1: I one time I was sitting on my block pot
Speaker 1: last drivers by on the other side of the street.
Speaker 1: I'm smoking. He makes the U turn. As he's starting
Speaker 1: to make the U turn, I throw the bud. There's
Speaker 1: no way he can find it. And he arrested me
Speaker 1: for seeing me smoke. He never found the joint. I
Speaker 1: just saw. You just saw me and smelting. I had
Speaker 1: nothing on me. I went through the system in New
Speaker 1: York and if it meedily woking down there now, just smoking,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't I know. They were supposed to
Speaker 1: do that here right in Florida? Do what drop like
Speaker 1: charges when they mean here? I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: they probably didn't yet. I don't think they're gonna do
Speaker 1: that yet. They need to go past medicinal for that
Speaker 1: to happen. You know, a nationally, the people can work
Speaker 1: toward that ship because really that's where it comes from.
Speaker 1: It doesn't come from sucking them because they got votes
Speaker 1: to fucking worry about and like, if someone's too progressive,
Speaker 1: you might not get those fucking votes that you traditionally need, right,
Speaker 1: So it's it's up to the people to go make
Speaker 1: this a thing. Like like always, the real change happens
Speaker 1: from the people. That's a good thing about I think,
Speaker 1: And I don't even smoke, but I think that's a
Speaker 1: good thing about cannabis is that I think it crosses
Speaker 1: all those party lines. Yeah, and it can change. The
Speaker 1: laws could change because of that. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Easily Green Thumb all of your things. It's me and
Speaker 1: you got your own strand too. Are you're thinking about
Speaker 1: doing something like that. I've done things here and there,
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, But I have a
Speaker 1: brand whatever, But it's not a I feel like you
Speaker 1: come out with your own mushrooms. Yeah, I'm thinking the
Speaker 1: same thing. Shrooms aren't illegal? Ares I legal? And Colorado
Speaker 1: for show they are? Yeah, so you need to come
Speaker 1: out with your own the last time. I haven't done
Speaker 1: any central Yeah. Yeah, No, he has the B has
Speaker 1: the Doctor Greenham stores and and I have the thing
Speaker 1: called hill House. Yeah, that's about it. As as far
Speaker 1: as flower, what is that? Yeah, pretty much yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean it's not like the he had the Dr
Speaker 1: Greenham thing is like a how many stories do you have? Six? Um,
Speaker 1: you know the actual Dr Green Thumb stores, dispensaries, dispenses
Speaker 1: in California. You know. The thing is, we definitely want
Speaker 1: to do that with Cypress Hill. You know, it's always
Speaker 1: just very picky about what we do because you know,
Speaker 1: we don't ever want to rush to do it wrong
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So you know, there's been an
Speaker 1: opportunit it is for us to do ship, but like
Speaker 1: for us, it's always like if it's going to be
Speaker 1: the right thing, not the right look, the right thing.
Speaker 1: And so you know, one of the one of the
Speaker 1: goals is to eventually open up some stores under Cypress
Speaker 1: Hill as well as you know, my Green Thumb stores
Speaker 1: that exist and stuff like that, because realistically, Cypress Hill
Speaker 1: is the root of all of it. If there's no
Speaker 1: Cypress Hill, there's no Green Thumb, you know what I mean. So, um,
Speaker 1: we it's it's something we definitely want to do in
Speaker 1: the future. And ship, so you know that's on the agenda. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, Bern is my boy. You know, we've done
Speaker 1: albums together, we've done four projects together, so we we
Speaker 1: sort of push each other's brand and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: He's got cookies, I got green thumb and and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we celebrate each other, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And we do this music together for the cannabis culture
Speaker 1: and for music, you know what I'm saying. But UMS
Speaker 1: has been it's being great working with the man. The
Speaker 1: sessions are like, you know, just a great vibe, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And smokey as fuck. I mean,
Speaker 1: we smoked that studio the funk out like he burns
Speaker 1: the way I burned, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: we both smoke up. We'll match each other for joint
Speaker 1: for joint. But it's about the work. It's not about
Speaker 1: to smoke. That ship is you know, just a part
Speaker 1: of the vibe. It's about to work. Like we get
Speaker 1: in there and we do we do work. And and
Speaker 1: uh we got another one, Um in the Chamber that
Speaker 1: Scott Storch produced that we're about to you know, pop
Speaker 1: off later on UM and fully produced by Scott Storch.
Speaker 1: In the past, you know, we used other producers, but
Speaker 1: for this one, you know, I sort of wanted to
Speaker 1: do what we do with with Cypress and you know,
Speaker 1: lock in with one producer and make a sound and
Speaker 1: Scott definitely did that. So you know when people hear it,
Speaker 1: they'll you know, they'll feel it. So you know Burn
Speaker 1: and I you know, that's my boy. So salute the
Speaker 1: big birth pig up Berna. So sad. What's what's what's
Speaker 1: your what's your face? What's your part of the game?
Speaker 1: And you can't live without like the part of what
Speaker 1: part of the game that you can't live without? Like
Speaker 1: like even when you left the group, Like, what was
Speaker 1: the part that you was missing? The stage? Man, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say that for some reason. And it all
Speaker 1: came down to one day I was I saw them
Speaker 1: perform on a MTV or something. They were like in Canada,
Speaker 1: and uh, I was watching the whole ship at home
Speaker 1: and from like when when I saw that, I could
Speaker 1: almost smell the concert. Yeah, that actually went down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's when I knew, like I had to have
Speaker 1: it back in my life, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like that had to be part of me. And I
Speaker 1: always knew that. I kind of felt like I always
Speaker 1: knew that, um, but there's just that one time when
Speaker 1: it slaps you in the face that you should be
Speaker 1: out there. And then I think, like a couple of
Speaker 1: days later, Mugs called me up and I'm like, hey, Mugs,
Speaker 1: what's up. Man? He's like where you hat like he was,
Speaker 1: he said, I'm on tour where you should be? And
Speaker 1: that was like another thing, like okay, And then we
Speaker 1: went we went around to fixing that whole thing, and
Speaker 1: and I got back into it and everything, and you know,
Speaker 1: it was it was on from there. But I mean,
Speaker 1: sometimes you gotta go through that bullshit to figure out
Speaker 1: what you had to, you know, together, it all back
Speaker 1: motherfucking years, you know what I mean, She's gonna go
Speaker 1: through you know, it's like a real organic family going
Speaker 1: through life, you know what I mean. And right here,
Speaker 1: you know, and then being in front of those type
Speaker 1: of crowds that we were in front of, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's fucking addicting because it's a lot of control that
Speaker 1: you're fucking fingertips right there. You're making the crowd move
Speaker 1: through your music and you see the impact happening. That's
Speaker 1: hard to let go of. That's why rappers never retire,
Speaker 1: especially they got when they got a good run popping off.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, You don't want to let
Speaker 1: that go because you know the control you have there
Speaker 1: and it's great seeing it. There's no high or no
Speaker 1: feeling like that crowd. Yeah, we do this thing right
Speaker 1: um at the end of our show where we we
Speaker 1: we pay um tribute and celebration to our homies, you
Speaker 1: know House of Pain with doing jump Around at the end,
Speaker 1: it's show like, it's not our song, but fuck it,
Speaker 1: you know it's in the family. It's soul Assassins. He
Speaker 1: produced the record, right jump Around, Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: so it's all in the family. So we you know,
Speaker 1: what we do at the end is we save that
Speaker 1: for the fucking very end and we make everybody get
Speaker 1: down to the ground like in a squat position, right,
Speaker 1: and then we pop it off. The horns come on
Speaker 1: and then it goes and you see everybody explode, and
Speaker 1: that's you know, there's no feeling then like I and
Speaker 1: I felt what House of Pain felt when that fucking
Speaker 1: song popped off. Everywhere you hear it at every sporting event.
Speaker 1: It's the pop off at any given time. You could
Speaker 1: cover it at the end of your show, and motherfucker'sould
Speaker 1: that be the highlight of the show because guess what
Speaker 1: that's my man right here and never last created one
Speaker 1: of the greatest pop off songs of all time. I
Speaker 1: put that ship against anything because I've seen the results
Speaker 1: of it and they could co sign on this. I've
Speaker 1: done this ship on my solo ship with Profits of
Speaker 1: Rage and with Cyprus. There is no bigger song to
Speaker 1: pop off on, right. So we get everybody and think
Speaker 1: about you're seeing seventy thousand to a hundred thousand to
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty thousand people all squatted down, and
Speaker 1: when that ship pops off, boom, explosion, overpowering. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, it's it's the craziest feeling. There's no
Speaker 1: high that you could get better than that. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Salute to you while because you hold on real quick, though,
Speaker 1: I just want to say, like and not real quick,
Speaker 1: real long. Actually, um, the production, the sound that that
Speaker 1: you brought Mugs to, to Cypress and to everything you
Speaker 1: touched soul assassins abroad, it changed so much in the game.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's acknowledged as much as it should be.
Speaker 1: And I'm saying you're you're one of the top tier
Speaker 1: hip hop producers of all time, and I think it's
Speaker 1: it's amazing what you guys have done. Man, what you've done.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Right is ready for it. Let me cheers. Um.
Speaker 1: If you could say something to your younger self, what
Speaker 1: would it be, ship that's a good one man fun Uh,
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, believe in yourself and believe
Speaker 1: in your friends. That's fine. I said, that's fine. Wow. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, don't be afraid of dream you know, the
Speaker 1: dreams can come true. I remember being a little kid
Speaker 1: and and making, uh like these these toys I had,
Speaker 1: and these musicians and I put on my army man
Speaker 1: out like theyre with the audience, and I disimagine like
Speaker 1: a big, a big, you know, field of people, and
Speaker 1: when what stock happened? I said, that was? That was it? So,
Speaker 1: you know, believe yourself, believe in your dreams. I was.
Speaker 1: I would have thought had been it would have should
Speaker 1: have been. Don't drink that much room tea. Don't drink
Speaker 1: to your younger self. You got to meet your younger self. Well,
Speaker 1: just just be patient, man, and just be patient, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And and just stay focused and
Speaker 1: stay calm, and don't get emotionally attached to any of
Speaker 1: this ship, and just stay calm and stay patient. Everything
Speaker 1: will figure it yourself out. That's why I want you.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I would say to myself, what what sin
Speaker 1: Dog's mom said to me, Let's have faith, don't hope,
Speaker 1: have faith and what we're doing, and in yourself and
Speaker 1: work towards it. So you know, it would have been redundant.
Speaker 1: But that's what you know his mother told me. I
Speaker 1: would have told myself that ship, that's weird, space watch
Speaker 1: that now coded the beat Nuts record the um But
Speaker 1: I noticed a cliche type type of question, but did
Speaker 1: you ever take that hip hop? Make it this far?
Speaker 1: I always need for sure, just the moment I heard it,
Speaker 1: this was the next wave of rock and roll? What
Speaker 1: are we gonna call it? And because like them, like
Speaker 1: I was a scared I wasn't the punk rock. I
Speaker 1: was into counterculture music, like the scene you had a mohawk. No,
Speaker 1: I definitely didn't have a mohawk. And so when hip
Speaker 1: hop came on, that actually spoke more to me. And
Speaker 1: it was counterculture as well, so that I felt right
Speaker 1: in line with that. And you said you knew it
Speaker 1: was going to be big from the beginning. Yeah, from
Speaker 1: the beginning, from the time I heard Blondie doing Raptured
Speaker 1: and all that ship, I knew this was the next
Speaker 1: big thing I was going to take over. There was music,
Speaker 1: but there was no hip hop. And then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden there was a music called hip hop. And
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, ship, what's that? And you're watching the
Speaker 1: ship and you're like eight eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen fifteen,
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, that's that ship right there right. Well,
Speaker 1: not everybody like this is the thing. We all didn't
Speaker 1: know it was hip hop. We were listening to rap music.
Speaker 1: Were just yeah. And there was a point where I realized,
Speaker 1: holy sh it, this is hip hop culture. Like it
Speaker 1: was dawned on me that someone another person, Yo, this
Speaker 1: is what it is. You already breakdancing, You're already writing graffiti.
Speaker 1: Do you want? There's a culture? And that ship is
Speaker 1: what blew my mind about it. Yeah, I didn't know
Speaker 1: where it was going to go. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: be part of it. You know that. That's the passion
Speaker 1: was there from the minute I heard it, because I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I was listening to a lot of different
Speaker 1: ships before I knew hip what hip hop was, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And the minute I heard run DMC,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh that ship right there? Um, and
Speaker 1: then rock Box from run DMC most most definitely that
Speaker 1: ship kind of flipped me right there. I was like,
Speaker 1: right now, let's talk about Rap Superstar. Yes, you were
Speaker 1: you remember the day he recorded that ship? Absolutely knockout man,
Speaker 1: I saw the video. But what if you're just saying something, UM,
Speaker 1: very proud to be about it that record. I did
Speaker 1: definitely need my plaque. Come on, yeah, UM listen to
Speaker 1: that today, you know, UM, driving here, going through the
Speaker 1: phoography after um uh watching the documentary, just just soaking
Speaker 1: up all the game. And then I'm listening to the
Speaker 1: lyrics of Rap Superstar and I'm like, whoa, this is
Speaker 1: is relevant? Right? Yeah? Like this ship is not an
Speaker 1: old record? Like how the funk did you all think
Speaker 1: of that ship? Like you know it's living in right,
Speaker 1: you know, and what people's expectations and perceptions are outside
Speaker 1: of it, right, you know, they think it's all gravy
Speaker 1: once you get a deal and and you know you're
Speaker 1: rich and famous off the top, but they don't know
Speaker 1: the road to that if you should be lucky enough
Speaker 1: to get it. And that was like you know, us
Speaker 1: being in the game and and absorbing all the positive
Speaker 1: and negative energy from it and us just being like, boom,
Speaker 1: this is what it is, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And to be this, these are the sacrifices that we make,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And it was a very
Speaker 1: real fucking song. You know. I think, um and and
Speaker 1: and salute to my man mugs on this because like
Speaker 1: the way that I look at that that song is
Speaker 1: like it's it's like our cash mirror. Like if you're
Speaker 1: if you're a rock fan, led Zeppelin's cash Mirror is
Speaker 1: a big fucking song for led Zeppelin. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just so fucking different. Um. And that was our
Speaker 1: cash Mirror as Cypress Hill Rock Superstar, because it was
Speaker 1: very much well we were living at the time, and
Speaker 1: just the fucking musical backdrop that he gave me to
Speaker 1: tell that story because I had that idea in my
Speaker 1: head for like a number of years, you know, because
Speaker 1: we had been soaking up what this game really is
Speaker 1: and all all the ship and you know, people's false
Speaker 1: perception of what it is to be in this in
Speaker 1: this business or rap star or rock star or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I held that idea for a long time until
Speaker 1: he came up with that beat that became the fucking song,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is it right here? And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I did not know it would resonate the
Speaker 1: way that it did. I thought it would just be
Speaker 1: a great album song. It was a great idea, but
Speaker 1: I didn't know it would be one of our like
Speaker 1: so called comeback joints, you know what I'm saying. So um, yeah,
Speaker 1: that that that song was was was huge. But I
Speaker 1: was telling people what the game is for us. It's
Speaker 1: still it's still the same game. Like I said, I
Speaker 1: was listening to it today and listen to it the
Speaker 1: other day. I was like, damn and she was so
Speaker 1: relevant still now, like like, um, it is amazing. Um
Speaker 1: and Eminem part of it is. Yeah. Eminem was on it.
Speaker 1: Um ever last was on one. Chino Moreno from the
Speaker 1: Deaf Tones was on the rock version. Uh yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: y'all blessed us, man, And you know, it was always
Speaker 1: like these are our brothers for you know, because y'all
Speaker 1: saw what the ship was and um, you know that
Speaker 1: meant everything to us to have you wanted to have
Speaker 1: m on it, you know, and because everybody wanted him
Speaker 1: at that point, right with eminem Yeah two um, and
Speaker 1: you know to have ever last two is our family
Speaker 1: and and Chino who you know the Deaf Tones. You know,
Speaker 1: we all loved the Deaf Tones and ship like that.
Speaker 1: So to have to have those four guys with us,
Speaker 1: you know that that was everything. So salute to them.
Speaker 1: It's because they gave their background on what the game
Speaker 1: soaked up from them, and that was that was that
Speaker 1: was tight because that's what that song was about. Well,
Speaker 1: it's interesting to hear you say comeback record because you
Speaker 1: know us, as fans of us, as you know, people
Speaker 1: that observers, we never felt like you guys ever left anywhere,
Speaker 1: So why would you Yeah, so why would you say
Speaker 1: come back? Because the mentality is, you know, when you're
Speaker 1: on a major label, that's what it is, the major
Speaker 1: label mental, the big Yes, they're always weighing your last
Speaker 1: ship against the ship. You do it right now, and
Speaker 1: you can do it. Let's go. And at the time,
Speaker 1: you know, like it had been a minute since we
Speaker 1: had dropped one, and you know, this is our fifth
Speaker 1: outing and our fourth outing was okay, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: like one, two and three, you know, so they thought
Speaker 1: we were fucking done kind of, but they still you know,
Speaker 1: like Donnie Einer, salute to my man. He was the
Speaker 1: chief up there. He had faith in us, and he
Speaker 1: had faith in mugs, and you know, every now and
Speaker 1: then he would suggest ship that was helpful and he
Speaker 1: would push our line, and he had that belief in
Speaker 1: us in this particular instant because you know, we did
Speaker 1: all this dope hip hop ship and then we did
Speaker 1: this hybrid ship, which was cool because it we were
Speaker 1: doing something no one else was doing at the time,
Speaker 1: right and he saw it, and you know, some of
Speaker 1: his suggestions helped push that particular album and showing like
Speaker 1: that we never left, you know what I'm saying, because
Speaker 1: our mentality was we never left. What the funk are
Speaker 1: y'all talking about it? But you know, we were always
Speaker 1: the underdogs, you know what I'm saying. Like they you know,
Speaker 1: like when Motherfucker's talked about us, it was like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, because you know, we were representing cannabis
Speaker 1: and it was just slightly different and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we were out to prove everybody fucking wrong. Make some
Speaker 1: noise for that guy. I've never felt out of love
Speaker 1: with the game. Oh yeah, you know, there was a
Speaker 1: few years where I got just started hand of them
Speaker 1: my other businesses, you know what I mean, whatever they
Speaker 1: are just doing that ship and having like a passion
Speaker 1: for other things at the time. But the game was
Speaker 1: right there. But like the levels of the energy that
Speaker 1: I want to give to the game, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, versus what I'm gonna get out like those
Speaker 1: have switched up throughout the years. It's it's the business
Speaker 1: that it's the business side, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: For the creativity side and kicking with the homies and
Speaker 1: making music and having a good time that she was
Speaker 1: always fun, but that other ship after a while, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes you just want to leave that ship, just get
Speaker 1: that part of the world out of your life, right
Speaker 1: because we are like Pete Rock just say that he
Speaker 1: did an album twenty two years ago and still haven't
Speaker 1: got paid on certain things. It's just something that you
Speaker 1: experienced as as a producer. No, I haven't had that
Speaker 1: that that problem, but you know, just other other things,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's just I think it
Speaker 1: becomes like when you're young, you're trying to figure out
Speaker 1: the balance of your success and your family and like
Speaker 1: and everything trying to figure figure all the balance of everything,
Speaker 1: you know, make everything work, feed everything, give us some sunshine,
Speaker 1: some love, you know what I mean. We water it
Speaker 1: and um you figure it out and you're like, all right, cool.
Speaker 1: But through thirty years, you know you're gonna have a
Speaker 1: few years here and there. You I'm gonna get into
Speaker 1: I'm a paintball for three years. You know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: stay in the studio for five years and I go
Speaker 1: tour with it right right, That's where the life, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like we know on each other
Speaker 1: so long. We just everybody flowing through, go through like
Speaker 1: life since fucking changes, you know, I mean, figure that
Speaker 1: ship out and ship so still right here, how about
Speaker 1: you for a love of the game board? Igua? Um?
Speaker 1: I did four minute uh. When my father passed, you know,
Speaker 1: it was a big It was a big blow. And
Speaker 1: I had a lot of you know, pressure because of
Speaker 1: what my father had accomplished and trying to keep that
Speaker 1: legacy going on and almost having a little bit of
Speaker 1: self doubt if I can I can do this and
Speaker 1: continue on and how am I gonna make my own way?
Speaker 1: So I had to go. I took a break I
Speaker 1: went to school, Um studied there, and but something was
Speaker 1: always calling me back. And when I did leave school,
Speaker 1: my mom said, well, you're leaving school. You gotta you
Speaker 1: got a year. You got a year to get your
Speaker 1: ship together or as you're gonna have to go back
Speaker 1: to school. And within that year, my whole life changed.
Speaker 1: In music, you know, got me back in That's when
Speaker 1: I started out with the BC Boys. I met I
Speaker 1: met the guys here, and you know, I knew that,
Speaker 1: you know, this was what I was supposed to be doing,
Speaker 1: you know, but it's very easy to get you know, uh,
Speaker 1: a little nervous about you know, the future, when you're
Speaker 1: unsure about you know, where you gotta go in your life,
Speaker 1: and sometimes you do have to take a break and
Speaker 1: reevaluate and reset, you know. But I'm glad that I
Speaker 1: didn't stop. We're glad you didn't stop me the brother besides,
Speaker 1: you know, you you know, leaving the group if it
Speaker 1: hasn't been the time prior to that where you felt
Speaker 1: like fun, this business, this game. Don never prior to
Speaker 1: that or never never at all during except during that
Speaker 1: point when I you know, the source was talking about
Speaker 1: us and you know, t yeah, trying to clown us
Speaker 1: and in their articles and this and that. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you remember that Ship were talking to Ship,
Speaker 1: you know, and I kind of just felt like, is
Speaker 1: this what I worked, you know, all my my ass
Speaker 1: off for so this motherfucker could talked about us or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I kind of just like a run. That same time,
Speaker 1: I kind of like turned off from you know, the
Speaker 1: business of hip hop and looked to somewhere else to
Speaker 1: get that freedom and creativity out. And uh, I definitely
Speaker 1: felt that that that part of me that wasn't in
Speaker 1: love with hip hop at that point. But luckily I
Speaker 1: was able to find it again, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and and and and attached myself to it again and
Speaker 1: come strong with it. And I mean, it's it's nothing
Speaker 1: that once you love something like, you know, hip hop,
Speaker 1: and you just can't just turn your back on it.
Speaker 1: And even if you do, forever, you're gonna have that regret,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I didn't want that regret,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I didn't want to what
Speaker 1: if I would have stood with these dudes or something
Speaker 1: Ship like that. You know, it was very important to
Speaker 1: come back to it and and resent him myself and
Speaker 1: and refocus myself and go strong as strong as I
Speaker 1: can that, you know, but I could, you know, go,
Speaker 1: you know, go hard hardcore with these dudes. Again. Do
Speaker 1: you mess with the Internet? Uh? Here and there? So
Speaker 1: you don't Twitter? No, Instagram, Twitter, Twitter, No, I don't
Speaker 1: funk with Twitter. I have a S C N D
Speaker 1: O G. Send dog with the blue check by that motherfucker.
Speaker 1: That's that's Instagram. Yeah, and they're sending dog a cypersel
Speaker 1: on Facebook. And uh, that's as deep as I go.
Speaker 1: I ain't that. I mean, I still rely on you know,
Speaker 1: your your own persona, you know, being bigger than life
Speaker 1: type of thing, no matter what the Instagram does whatever,
Speaker 1: And I know what it's worth. Don't I think I'm
Speaker 1: stupid or ignorant, you know what it is because um,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of us um didn't adapt that
Speaker 1: that way of life. Because I hear you're saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, the sources talking about you. And that's what's
Speaker 1: crazy is the Internet makes me terrible to say, makes
Speaker 1: me like adapted to say someone one person goes say
Speaker 1: something bad, you know, the sources voiced their opinion. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm a young buck twenty seven year old in the
Speaker 1: game and all that for a long time, all we
Speaker 1: had was glorification of the Cypress Hill group, right, And
Speaker 1: when our second album came out, they didn't feel that way.
Speaker 1: Kind of that I said it, and I kind of
Speaker 1: felt like upon myself, like to talk ship back. Well,
Speaker 1: there was a reason for this, right, Um, I mean
Speaker 1: we were all, you know, kind of friends with James Bernard,
Speaker 1: who was senior editor at The Source, right and and
Speaker 1: uh he came and did the first interview with Cyprus
Speaker 1: on the Cyprus Block and we're cool with all good,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like they celebrated us on
Speaker 1: the first album and then Black Sunday they gave us
Speaker 1: a great review and the whole ship. But then the
Speaker 1: very next um, the very next write up was you know,
Speaker 1: it was negative. And the reason was we were at
Speaker 1: an MTV party and uh or an MTV after party
Speaker 1: for uh MTV Awards when we used to go right
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, we're sitting there shooting ship with
Speaker 1: everybody that that we recognize, and it recognized as you know,
Speaker 1: how it goes, right, And so I'm having a conversation
Speaker 1: with James Bernard about like the TLC cover and you know,
Speaker 1: I was like, well, you know, like you're because there
Speaker 1: was I don't know if you know, of course you know,
Speaker 1: and I know you know, but there was like a
Speaker 1: criteria that had to be and they didn't meet the
Speaker 1: criteria at the time. And I expressed that to him.
Speaker 1: And as I expressed that to him, Joe Butcher, who
Speaker 1: you know, one of the owners of rough House Records,
Speaker 1: who was yeah, well yeah, he was the one that
Speaker 1: got you know, they signed as he knew mugs, you know,
Speaker 1: he kind of interrupts in that conversation, unknowing of what
Speaker 1: the conversation was. He was like, Yobi, I gotta talk
Speaker 1: to you about something real quick. And I said, Joe James,
Speaker 1: let's let's pick at a different time. And he took
Speaker 1: it personal that like he didn't get his rebuttal on
Speaker 1: you know at that point, like as to White, But
Speaker 1: he didn't have to fucking explain to me. I was
Speaker 1: just giving him an opinion, like, you know, because they
Speaker 1: held they held our ship so close, like we only
Speaker 1: got but one cover, and we met the criteria at
Speaker 1: times ten you know what I mean. But we never
Speaker 1: really complained about anything. We just he asked me an opinion.
Speaker 1: I gave it to him and he didn't like it.
Speaker 1: So then everything else that came after that was on
Speaker 1: negative about Cypress Hill. So then we said, well fuck
Speaker 1: the Source then, and we started burning that ship on stage,
Speaker 1: you know, like going out of everywhere, not not not
Speaker 1: just everywhere. And it made people go crazy when we
Speaker 1: did that, and salute the Source because we you know,
Speaker 1: we squashed our ship since then. But it started with
Speaker 1: James Bernard in my opinion of that TLC cover and
Speaker 1: TLC are legends, you know, and salute and respect to them.
Speaker 1: But he was asking me my opinion about that, and
Speaker 1: I gave him a time point because it can't understand
Speaker 1: that that time point, right, we were purius. You can't
Speaker 1: see TLC later, Yes, you got to see that, right.
Speaker 1: We were purists. Had to be hardcore hand to pop
Speaker 1: on the Source cover, That's who we were. He was like,
Speaker 1: we asked him one time, can we get on the
Speaker 1: cover of the Source. He's like, no, it has to
Speaker 1: be a second album. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Tales he was on there on their first album. You know,
Speaker 1: he was like, Yo, what's up with that ship? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I just my name can't be be real if
Speaker 1: I'm not being one fucking thousand, and that was one
Speaker 1: thousand with him, and he didn't like that, and so
Speaker 1: the campaign against us begun. Hence the ship talking that
Speaker 1: San Dog was talking about, because they were celebrating the
Speaker 1: funk out of us before then after that Nah Fox
Speaker 1: Cyper s Hilver, they told sand Dog, they said, next
Speaker 1: time you burn a source on stage, watch out. You
Speaker 1: don't burn your green card. And they wrote that ship
Speaker 1: in the source, remember that ship. And we kept and
Speaker 1: we kept burning, we kept burning. But again, you know, eventually,
Speaker 1: you know, we sat down with Dave May's Salute to
Speaker 1: Dave May's and we squashed that ship out because I
Speaker 1: mean it was, you know, sorry, it was over nothing,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was like, you know,
Speaker 1: over an opinion. And you know, at the time, James
Speaker 1: Bernardon and he jumped shipped to double XEL magazine after
Speaker 1: a while, so and then we had beef with them
Speaker 1: because he jumped over and took the beef we had
Speaker 1: with him right as you used to think like they
Speaker 1: was gangster writing articles about you, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like like you just write about what the funk we're doing?
Speaker 1: Shut the funk up. We forgive you, James Bernard, we
Speaker 1: forgive you. You know what's fun up about them was
Speaker 1: like you go write an article in like January and
Speaker 1: she won't come out to like mark you. You see
Speaker 1: what you was talking about, Like it's crazy, man. That's
Speaker 1: why I asked you about the internet, because the Internet.
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, I remember literally with my ass
Speaker 1: my my first solo album, second group a second album,
Speaker 1: but my first solo album, and we would drop it
Speaker 1: and I had to literally go to these countries we
Speaker 1: could they couldn't send the records, like I had to
Speaker 1: go there as to go to the London perform as
Speaker 1: to go and right now you could just send the Japan.
Speaker 1: It's just the Japan like like like like it's streaming something,
Speaker 1: you guys, and I know you guys did the Napster thing.
Speaker 1: It's streaming something that you're embracing or you have to
Speaker 1: embrace it. I think every kind of technology that comes along,
Speaker 1: you know, you know the road of your adventure. And
Speaker 1: if I mean, if you don't, then that's just a
Speaker 1: certain amount of numbers that you're gonna lose. In my opinion, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to get whatever they change. However, the game
Speaker 1: changes a certain amount of you have to change with
Speaker 1: it and go with that new certain platform, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Because that's just a new platform and
Speaker 1: it's just how it goes, and you adapt with the
Speaker 1: times or you don't. You know, if you adapt with
Speaker 1: the times, I think young longer than if you don't
Speaker 1: adapt with what's going on technology wise. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, and you've got to look at it as
Speaker 1: it's a broader platform. It could get out to two
Speaker 1: bigger numbers. Yeah, if you know, if it goes quote
Speaker 1: unquote viral. You know what I'm saying. But it depends
Speaker 1: on the work you put into it and how you
Speaker 1: promote it and how you market the ship and like
Speaker 1: how much you how hard you go to get it
Speaker 1: out there. Because we've done live streams. I mean I've
Speaker 1: been doing that ship for you know, twelve years now,
Speaker 1: Like with my b Real TV platform, and I realized
Speaker 1: that that that was like a platform because I used
Speaker 1: to do radio in Los Angeles, Bobo and myself and
Speaker 1: we realized having a platform is everything, you know, So
Speaker 1: you know, if you wanted to do performances, if you
Speaker 1: wanted to market your new ship or whatever, creating a
Speaker 1: platform is everything. So you know, if you have it
Speaker 1: at your fingertips, you do it. And we've tried to
Speaker 1: utilize it in every aspects talk about yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know because realistically, you know, that's the one way
Speaker 1: you get out to everybody. And you know, like so
Speaker 1: for instance, with the pandemic, right, um, we were we
Speaker 1: were all shut down at that point. We weren't doing
Speaker 1: any live shows at this point, like getting in front
Speaker 1: of people, but we were fortunate enough to be still
Speaker 1: doing ship and be busy. Well that was happening via
Speaker 1: these streams, you know what I mean, because we would
Speaker 1: put out live stream performances or you know, things like that,
Speaker 1: and uh so it could be your friend if you
Speaker 1: if you use it, right, Um, so you know we've
Speaker 1: we've always tried to like utilize the tools that we
Speaker 1: have in front of us. So that's definitely one of them.
Speaker 1: Right now, both were you sending and be really you
Speaker 1: both got like very unique voices, Like there's no like
Speaker 1: when I hear your voice, I noticed you. When I
Speaker 1: hear your voice, I know that's you. There's not a
Speaker 1: lot of people who distinct voices like that. Who's the
Speaker 1: one of who's both of you guys, who's someone that's
Speaker 1: a How's unique voice that you guys are Chuck d
Speaker 1: that's a good one. Us Unique rock him, Unique ad Rock, Unique,
Speaker 1: Q Tip, Unique, bust Rhymes unique. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like these these guys got voices that cut through anything,
Speaker 1: and and so you know, we wanted we wanted that
Speaker 1: for us, So we developed our ship. Like my rap
Speaker 1: voice wasn't what it what it was on records before
Speaker 1: we figured it out, you know what I mean, it
Speaker 1: was very It was fucking whacked, to be honest with you, Yes,
Speaker 1: just like the young demos, you know, that's what I
Speaker 1: was trying to figure it out, what the funk we're doing?
Speaker 1: And then and then I figured out my voice from
Speaker 1: a from again a ram mell Z record. Ram mel
Speaker 1: Z you to pitch his voice, he you know, start
Speaker 1: off with the low tone and then he flipped to
Speaker 1: a fucking high tone out of nowhere, randomly in a
Speaker 1: in a rap song. And that's what gave me the
Speaker 1: idea to do my ship like that, because my my
Speaker 1: voice wasn't cutting through, and we all knew at that point,
Speaker 1: you know, like send Dog, I mean send dog mugs
Speaker 1: and myself this is before Bobo. We knew that like
Speaker 1: gott to be distinct and it's gotta cut through. So
Speaker 1: me pitching my voice was an idea I had to,
Speaker 1: you know, to cut through because my voice. My writing
Speaker 1: was good, but my voice was just not there. And
Speaker 1: when that happened, it became a little bit more interesting
Speaker 1: and the songs became a little bit more interesting and
Speaker 1: they had more color in it. So you know, having
Speaker 1: you know, a distinct voices, I mean, you know, like
Speaker 1: where you recognize it off the top of all. That's
Speaker 1: like jay z distinct voice you want. It's just people
Speaker 1: who who who bit jay Z? Yeah, but they can't
Speaker 1: sound like him, just like people can't sound like like.
Speaker 1: There's been many motherfucker's trying to sound like Buster and
Speaker 1: it sounds like you did come close somebody you like,
Speaker 1: um um voice tomes uh king dmc wow from the
Speaker 1: Hollis Crew, you know what I mean. That's one of
Speaker 1: the dudes, one of my original like dudes that I
Speaker 1: look up to as like a because he wasn't on
Speaker 1: He wasn't even the primary rhymer and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: He was a secondary rhymer And I respect that kind
Speaker 1: of ship. You know what I mean. So I looked
Speaker 1: at him as a as a like a like an
Speaker 1: inspiration and then also said, g from Ultra Magnetic, Am
Speaker 1: I taking you back? Now? All right? That was always
Speaker 1: cool kid come up with the danger ship and then
Speaker 1: said come up, you know what I mean, and and
Speaker 1: follow that up with a with a certain punch, And
Speaker 1: that always tressed me, you know what I mean. It
Speaker 1: wasn't always the you know, it's all production things like
Speaker 1: so the primary dudo is all good and great, but
Speaker 1: I want to hear what the next guy coming, how
Speaker 1: he's gonna add to the song, and how he's gonna
Speaker 1: uplift it and this and that kind of thing. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, most picked up on that as I was
Speaker 1: doing the whole you know, good man ship, and he's
Speaker 1: like elevator, more of a prominent secondary role, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So that's the kind of due that
Speaker 1: I would look up to. It wasn't I was the
Speaker 1: primary cat. It was you know, sometimes I would look
Speaker 1: at the you know, like the second dude or even
Speaker 1: sometimes even the third dude, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and I would find inspiration in that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's crazy, like Loys Lost Boys was freaky
Speaker 1: tie right. Yeah, it's all about the you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But you needed that, like that wasn't something
Speaker 1: that you could go without. That that added to what
Speaker 1: the group was, like even flav like even flame like
Speaker 1: Public without flicks. Also like Eric Sermon, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Eric Sermon's voice was very distinct of course,
Speaker 1: of course, yeah, yeah, yeah, like he had that slight lisp.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like the EP of D Ship
Speaker 1: that was like we had major run with that ship
Speaker 1: like that in Pe was always in the system and
Speaker 1: you know, like Eric Sermon's voice always cut through in
Speaker 1: just in a different way, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And um, that's in hip hop at that point. That's
Speaker 1: what you needed, that distinction and your own sound. That's
Speaker 1: what he was listening to, Like eight nine p m D.
Speaker 1: Public Enemy, Ultra Magnetic, you have to be mad different
Speaker 1: than anything that was needed. It was a month that
Speaker 1: was creatively different from everybody else. Yeah, and I don't
Speaker 1: know so much of a of a thing today, but
Speaker 1: back in our day, you know what I mean, that's
Speaker 1: your own original sound and that's gonna set you apart
Speaker 1: from the fields. Yeah, that's the truth of it. Though
Speaker 1: they happen to the show at a place where they
Speaker 1: don't allow smoke marijuana. Yes, anywhere in Texas, everywhere, everywhere,
Speaker 1: there was no well we started smoking on stage, there
Speaker 1: was no order. We're not I don't listen. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Either they had mad love for us and they gave
Speaker 1: us the past or they didn't think we had the
Speaker 1: audacity to be smoking real weed up on stage. That
Speaker 1: had to be fake. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: don't know what it is. I can't answer it for him,
Speaker 1: but like we got away with it in places that
Speaker 1: you normally shouldn't and wouldn't get away with it. We
Speaker 1: were black. God bless the funk out of us in
Speaker 1: some way that we gotta wait with smoking in places
Speaker 1: that you don't or you're not supposed to. And yeah,
Speaker 1: most definitely and chances, but I'll say this for some
Speaker 1: for some spots they would warn us. And in those
Speaker 1: spots we were like, okay, cool, then yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1: Upon the stage, you're going to jail. They're waiting for you.
Speaker 1: Like back in the day in Texas, if they were fans,
Speaker 1: they'd come and warn us, and you know, give us
Speaker 1: the heads up, like, hey, listen, we're fans, but you
Speaker 1: can't smoke that ship on stage. Otherwise we gotta arrest you.
Speaker 1: And that's us doing our job. Do what you want
Speaker 1: to do, but guess you know, just know that we
Speaker 1: have to take you in if you fucking go right.
Speaker 1: So when they gave us the heads up, yeah, we
Speaker 1: were inclined to be smart enough to listen to that advice.
Speaker 1: If they didn't tell us, we would just take it
Speaker 1: upon ourselves to be like, we're gonna do this ship
Speaker 1: and that's it. Because I feel like y'all and Snoop
Speaker 1: got the ultimate meat anywhere past, like yeah close, I
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like I feel like as soon
Speaker 1: as y'all take into the hotel, they're supposed to be
Speaker 1: like Incipe, the sales here. That's it. I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: I took a lot of fines my time in hotels
Speaker 1: because my room this church. When it comes to smoke,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get in there tomorrow, right, Yes, my my
Speaker 1: roommates like my room it's the temple, it's the church.
Speaker 1: You know. We blow my room up and I get
Speaker 1: the charges, But inside, are you going on the balcony
Speaker 1: if we got a balcony, we're going on the balcony.
Speaker 1: I now we're blown of these days were covering the
Speaker 1: smoke detector and we're blowing that ship up. That we
Speaker 1: did with the first new episode. We had to put
Speaker 1: the towels on the smoke detectors, take them out like
Speaker 1: our cappy, yeah, our cat. Yeah. But do we I
Speaker 1: mean back in the days used to put, you know,
Speaker 1: a tower under the door and have some spray. That's
Speaker 1: the word. This doesn't have me a balcony room on
Speaker 1: the smoke alarm. Yeah, that's the works. Man, Holy moly, man,
Speaker 1: Jesus man. That's been so great. Man. Like I said,
Speaker 1: man um, when we started this show, we wanted to
Speaker 1: give people, you know, they flowers, they roses while they alive.
Speaker 1: You know, so many people you in this game ten
Speaker 1: years and they want to say, you know, you washed up.
Speaker 1: And it's like that world don't exist in any other
Speaker 1: genre of music but hip hop. It's like and and
Speaker 1: the thing is, we noticed a young man's sport. We
Speaker 1: get it, we get it, we noticed a young but
Speaker 1: it's also the O. G. S who told us we
Speaker 1: looked up to O. G. S. And now that we're
Speaker 1: the o G s. I don't want to just bow
Speaker 1: out like that is still in it what I'm saying
Speaker 1: to the creative sport. Let's just say listen to the
Speaker 1: Yellow to the Yellow boys coming up, and y'all know
Speaker 1: we give it to y'all. We love y'all, but you
Speaker 1: can'tnot take it away from we. We late never because
Speaker 1: they would never be another type of sales. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like there will never be another type
Speaker 1: of sales. So I want to give y'all y'all love
Speaker 1: to y'all face. You know what I'm saying to you.
Speaker 1: You know we love y'all for real, like y'all open
Speaker 1: the door for not only you know, not West Coast rap,
Speaker 1: you know, not only latinos, but just for great music
Speaker 1: and music that you just want to just just just
Speaker 1: and and all of your brothers. I know all your
Speaker 1: brothers individually, all of your brothers are fucking great people.
Speaker 1: I just want to say that to your face. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I gotta give you money. I
Speaker 1: got you guys here when you stop my class and
Speaker 1: we're gonna not real talk. Though it's crazy for me
Speaker 1: to be right here sitting down with y'all absolutely. And
Speaker 1: I'm telling you this as a as a Cuban kid
Speaker 1: born in l A to Cuban exiles raising south Gate
Speaker 1: to a young age, and then moved to Miami and
Speaker 1: be a Cuban kid in Miami. Didn't understand being a
Speaker 1: Cuban kid in Miami because I'm an l A kid.
Speaker 1: And then y'all come out, and how important that was
Speaker 1: to someone like myself, you know what I'm saying to understand, like, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: there's roots there, there's something I can identify with and
Speaker 1: I'm and I'm I'm already a hip hop head and
Speaker 1: and it it inspires me and that might not get
Speaker 1: me here sitting down right now, just letting you know that,
Speaker 1: and it's just so inspirational. Man, I want to thank y'all.
Speaker 1: Y'all the biggest thing to me and to a lot
Speaker 1: of my crazy hood crew that's here, Like we love y'all, man,
Speaker 1: Like y'all think right to that, to that this is
Speaker 1: the young man's game, ship, right, That's the narrative that is,
Speaker 1: you know, perpetuated by record companies and radio stations, and
Speaker 1: that's because both don't know how to each out to
Speaker 1: the folks that grew up with this ship. They don't
Speaker 1: know how to market and promote to the to the
Speaker 1: folks that grew up with our ship, who now our parents,
Speaker 1: and they got mortgages and fucking leases or whatever the
Speaker 1: fucking bills to pay that they're not like tuned in
Speaker 1: to the Friday and Tuesday new music drops. The record
Speaker 1: companies forget about them. They grew up with you, and
Speaker 1: they're always fucking with you, but they're not as aware
Speaker 1: as they were when they were teens on Fridays now
Speaker 1: well Tuesdays and Friday, Tuesday on our on our on
Speaker 1: our calendar, Friday and Fridays, right, So they don't know
Speaker 1: how to get to like the people past thirty something
Speaker 1: into their fifties who grew up with this music, who
Speaker 1: still funk with it, but they don't find it like
Speaker 1: they used to because they got real life things that
Speaker 1: they're dealing with as opposed to when you're a teen.
Speaker 1: I'm waiting on this day for the new ship, right,
Speaker 1: different responsibilities, right, and the record companies in the radio
Speaker 1: stations ain't geared towards finding them. They're like this ship, right,
Speaker 1: here's what we've been doing, geared towards the teens. How
Speaker 1: do you connect fifty year old thirty thirty year old bands,
Speaker 1: fifty year old rappers, thirty year old bands, two teens
Speaker 1: like eighteen to thirty four? How do you connect that?
Speaker 1: They don't got the formula. That's why a lot of
Speaker 1: times groups in our time we don't get rotation from
Speaker 1: these radio stations. You could go up there for the
Speaker 1: interview and all that ship, and they're gonna play it
Speaker 1: that one time and when you leave, fuck you cool.
Speaker 1: It's good having them up here, but they're not rotating
Speaker 1: the record because they don't know how to connect with
Speaker 1: that base. But guess what is out there. It's out
Speaker 1: there because we who grew up to hip hop still
Speaker 1: listen to hip hop, new ship and old ship alike.
Speaker 1: Just these motherfucker's ain't figured out how to connect that together.
Speaker 1: So this is a young man's game. That's bull ship
Speaker 1: as long as you have it in you and you
Speaker 1: still have to passion. This is your game for as
Speaker 1: long as you want to funk with it. Look at
Speaker 1: KRS one and it's a creative man's or woman right,
Speaker 1: So you know all that young man's game. Ship is
Speaker 1: a false narrator. Yeah, it's it's it's it's yeah, I
Speaker 1: agree with you. The mainstream industry is what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: That's the young man's game, right, But that's it. But
Speaker 1: we've already that's obsolete. That industry is obsolete. It's been obsolete.
Speaker 1: When you guys are the national tour. It's the beginning
Speaker 1: of how that's obsolete. They say it's two things you
Speaker 1: should never workshop, money and youth because they all come
Speaker 1: and go choose that. That was deep up right, that
Speaker 1: what's next? What's next? You know, new experiences, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like music, Really, we're gonna keep doing
Speaker 1: our thing, but we're trying to, you know, develop a
Speaker 1: new experience for people rather than just traditional albums because
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, hey, yeah it doesn't make sense anymore.
Speaker 1: So you know we've been talking about a different experience.
Speaker 1: So you know what we might do one last traditional
Speaker 1: album and then the rest is like who knows. Um
Speaker 1: could be n f T s, could be immersive, it
Speaker 1: could be something just something different, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Because I mean, we've been in this game a long
Speaker 1: time and like how do we stay interested? Right, there's
Speaker 1: got to be and we're always trying to be out
Speaker 1: of the box. So it's like challenging ourselves, what what
Speaker 1: can we do different to give to people than this
Speaker 1: traditional album ship. But you know what's important is that
Speaker 1: you guys have the opportunity to take advantage of the
Speaker 1: investment you put into the fans to be able to
Speaker 1: play with that world, that new world of that how
Speaker 1: do we do this because the fans will follow you.
Speaker 1: And that's an example that needs to be understood to
Speaker 1: anybody doing this and in this industry, like, you need
Speaker 1: to invest in your fans. That's right what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I think that what you guys have done, you
Speaker 1: invested in yourselves. That's right. And and you know, salute
Speaker 1: to our fans out there because they've held us up
Speaker 1: with new records and without. They've come to the shows
Speaker 1: and they've represented and they've been you know, the ones
Speaker 1: who like hold us up, you know when other motherfucker's
Speaker 1: counting us out. You know what I mean, Our fans
Speaker 1: who we do it for. You know, we're vessels of
Speaker 1: our creativity. Boom, it goes to the fans, they receive
Speaker 1: it and they hold us up. H Now, why did
Speaker 1: you stop smoking blunts? You know it was it was
Speaker 1: fucking with my voice a little bit. You know. We
Speaker 1: we had a run where we were doing a whole
Speaker 1: lot of Jack Daniels and blunts after before, before and
Speaker 1: after shows to try it. So what we were the
Speaker 1: Jack Daniels Crew, and you know, we were smoking blunts
Speaker 1: at the time. But every show, I was like sucking up.
Speaker 1: My voice had come back and it'd be hoarse, and
Speaker 1: like doing the next show, my voice would get worse
Speaker 1: and worse and worse. And and partially it was the
Speaker 1: blunts and the fucking whiskey, you know. And I and
Speaker 1: I changed up a lot of ship to keep my
Speaker 1: voice similar to what we do on the albums, because
Speaker 1: like that always bothered me as a fan, Like if
Speaker 1: I went to see someone and they they're screaming all
Speaker 1: over the place and they don't got no control and
Speaker 1: they don't sound shit like they do on the album,
Speaker 1: that bothers me. So I thought, like, if I was
Speaker 1: coming to see us, I want to hear me the
Speaker 1: way I am on the fucking album, So I'd like
Speaker 1: try to get control of that. Blunts was one of
Speaker 1: those things, and drinking the whiskey before the show was yeah,
Speaker 1: I got It's a combination in a singer, singer Rihanna, Yes,
Speaker 1: she suppos blust, Like where does this blust? There's no joint.
Speaker 1: But singing is different. You're you're it is, it's different
Speaker 1: your system. Yes, listen to break it down. F So
Speaker 1: they're sustaining notes, right, they're sustaining notes, lesser phrase right,
Speaker 1: in other words, lesser words in their phrases. Their verses
Speaker 1: are our six teen bars for a rap verse is
Speaker 1: their eight bar? You know what I mean? Understand me. So,
Speaker 1: like when they do their ship, it's it's it's not
Speaker 1: necessarily this that it's less work. It's not it's absolute work.
Speaker 1: They gotta stay in key. They gotta hold that pocket
Speaker 1: in what they do. But we are wrapping sixteen fucking bars.
Speaker 1: You know how many words are in sixteen bars? And
Speaker 1: then the breath pockets within those fucking bars. It's slightly
Speaker 1: a little more difficult. Now we don't gotta necessarily stay
Speaker 1: in key the way singers do. But we gotta stay
Speaker 1: on that beat. And he got a great argument, and
Speaker 1: we got a key one, and he gotta and we
Speaker 1: gotta keep our tone because like anyone can write a
Speaker 1: song and then like you know, put it out a
Speaker 1: certain way. But when you go performing, do you sound
Speaker 1: like that? And the blunts were yes, and blunts were
Speaker 1: working against that. For me, it kept on fucking cutting
Speaker 1: my voice scratchy, you know, raspy. I was starting to
Speaker 1: sound like bust the rhymes out there. Dog, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's not the way I sound on records.
Speaker 1: So the whiskey man, both I got. Okay, Okay, okay, alright,
Speaker 1: what is that? Okay? Okay, okay, okay. Holy shit, man,
Speaker 1: this is great. And you know I love this ship man.
Speaker 1: I love this ship. I love this ship man. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I love I love. Um. You guys are always positive?
Speaker 1: Why you Why do you even got a little bit
Speaker 1: of negative juice? Because the negativity, uh has never scarred
Speaker 1: me as as bad as some people would would think
Speaker 1: it has. I mean since me and my brothers here,
Speaker 1: you know, we we built the thing up and it
Speaker 1: became successful. Um, it's kind of hard to be sour
Speaker 1: behind success, you know what I mean. You have to
Speaker 1: enjoy what you guys have built and what we've made
Speaker 1: with our lives and everything and now our families, you know,
Speaker 1: get to live, you know, a good life behind that.
Speaker 1: So I have no I have no fucking sarcasm or
Speaker 1: anything like that with Ship that we have done, because
Speaker 1: there's no need for that. You know. We get to
Speaker 1: make good money and to around the world and do
Speaker 1: what we of as teenagers, what we talked about, right,
Speaker 1: and then continue on forward. So don't I don't really
Speaker 1: have like a negative side of this past my my
Speaker 1: younger self, right, my adult self is completely fine. I'll
Speaker 1: say this six be real as opposed to be real.
Speaker 1: Two different like each other. You know, they with each other,
Speaker 1: but you don't sometimes, Yeah, they hung out. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was was pretty much mad at the world that that. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, we were working on Temple Temple Boom at
Speaker 1: this time, and we were fucking mad at the world
Speaker 1: at that point. Like you know, Ship people counted us
Speaker 1: out on the third record. They thought we was done,
Speaker 1: and you know, Ship with Sony was kind of weird
Speaker 1: and management was kind of weird, and that was kind
Speaker 1: of at the time where Sandog sort of you know,
Speaker 1: dip for a minute, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: so it was it was a crazy time and I was,
Speaker 1: like Bobo could tell you I was. I was that guy,
Speaker 1: you know, asshole, asshole, whateverybody with everybody that, like, not
Speaker 1: the fans, but like, you know, yeah, man, I was
Speaker 1: just like on some funk everybody ship at that point,
Speaker 1: just no, no, no, no, not that. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like because what the businesses, you know, like when you
Speaker 1: get in, you don't know what the funk it is.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, ship, I'm in. And then as you
Speaker 1: learn what it is, and you learned from manager, managers, agents,
Speaker 1: fucking record company, motherfucker's and ship like that, and and
Speaker 1: just the game, and you know, it could get to
Speaker 1: you in the in the in the realm of like,
Speaker 1: you know, fuck this ship, this ship is fucking bullshit right,
Speaker 1: stop what motherfucker's think it is? Hence Rock Superstar, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And in nineties six, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: fuck all that. And I was drinking a lot of
Speaker 1: whiskey at that point and smoking the blunts and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I just did not give a funk at
Speaker 1: that point. And you know, it wasn't that I was
Speaker 1: terrible to people, because I know I wasn't two fans,
Speaker 1: but like I was terrible in my fucking head. It
Speaker 1: was crazy, but we were doing well better than a
Speaker 1: lot of motherfucker's thought, you know, with that Temple of
Speaker 1: Boom album, is piste off as I was in that time,
Speaker 1: that ship was well received. You know when people thought
Speaker 1: we were gonna fall off, we were playing last We
Speaker 1: were playing that music on on Smoking Grooves tour and
Speaker 1: salute to carro Lewis for putting us on that tour
Speaker 1: at time. Um, we were playing that music before anybody
Speaker 1: had heard it. And this was not something that you
Speaker 1: did in hip hop when you were established. We were
Speaker 1: on that tour playing Temples of Boom music before anybody
Speaker 1: fucking heard it. In the reaction that we were getting
Speaker 1: was fucking awesome. Right was a Temple the book? Right?
Speaker 1: It was TEMpl Boom and you know that was that
Speaker 1: was satisfying to see people moving to ship they didn't
Speaker 1: even know, right, but in that time we were piste
Speaker 1: off so or I was definitely so seeing the people
Speaker 1: embraced that ship and that be one of the favorite
Speaker 1: albums when I was so piste off writing and that
Speaker 1: fucking time, Um, that was. That was satisfying because people
Speaker 1: connected to that album. You know a lot of people
Speaker 1: when they come up to us, they said that's their
Speaker 1: favorite album. Temples a Boom that was. That was that
Speaker 1: my height of funk everything, you know, but not out
Speaker 1: of cockiness, out of like, you know, tired of what
Speaker 1: what the game actually was? You guys been on plenty
Speaker 1: of labels. What what was your favorite label you guys
Speaker 1: ever worked with. Let's start with you Marks. I think
Speaker 1: we were Cypists on one label pretty much the whole
Speaker 1: first first run. I think we put the last record
Speaker 1: at like a second label. But for the first fifteen years,
Speaker 1: I think it was just Columbia. Yeah, it was Columbia
Speaker 1: for six teams. Columbia. Well, it was rough House Columbia
Speaker 1: for the first four albums, and then I think when
Speaker 1: rough House dissolved, we were just on Sony Columbia for
Speaker 1: that time. Then we finished our contract which a lot
Speaker 1: of Tommy and Tommy and Donnie both of them, and
Speaker 1: we we finished out our contract there, which a lot
Speaker 1: of motherfucker's don't do and we we uh, we did
Speaker 1: one album on E M I, which was Rise Up.
Speaker 1: Snoop wanted to sign that, so we you know, signed
Speaker 1: it with him, right, and so we did that and
Speaker 1: so in the next one was more like on an
Speaker 1: independent label, which was Elephants on Nason. So three labels
Speaker 1: pretty much but most of our career on Sony rough House,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I would, okay, you know, because realistically they
Speaker 1: could have tried to mold us into what they thought
Speaker 1: we should be, but they allowed us to be us,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Sure, you know, they tried
Speaker 1: to make suggestions here and there, and you know, Mugs
Speaker 1: would be like, yeah, that's cool for you, We're gonna
Speaker 1: do this, and you know, he stood his ground on
Speaker 1: the creativity of it, and they allowed it. You know,
Speaker 1: they didn't try to you know that, Yeah, they were
Speaker 1: because they had a lot of dope groups House. Chris
Speaker 1: and Joe were big advocates for us, you know when
Speaker 1: it came to dealing with Sony, and you know, Joe
Speaker 1: was like he got it, man. I mean Joe and Chris,
Speaker 1: they both got it. And salute to them because realistically,
Speaker 1: you know, we we shopped the album around for a
Speaker 1: minute and we were getting turned down by labels on
Speaker 1: the West Coast. Uh and we and we uh. We
Speaker 1: were talking to funking client Rest and Rest in Peace,
Speaker 1: who was at the time with a Wood Basic and
Speaker 1: they were interested, but they kept asking for demo after demo.
Speaker 1: I think we gave him like six seven DeMoss like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that didn't make the album, but you know they kept
Speaker 1: asking for more Ship and rough House or Chris and
Speaker 1: Joe were like, we're ready now, We'll fucking take it
Speaker 1: as it is and sendalg called that shot and said,
Speaker 1: you know what we're going with Joe and Chris and
Speaker 1: they were they were basically crazy. Yeah, And I really
Speaker 1: liked their their whole approach to to our group because
Speaker 1: there was like, just do whatever you want to say,
Speaker 1: whatever you want. I felt like we had someone that
Speaker 1: was willing to like have our back no matter what
Speaker 1: he said on the mic or anything like that. So
Speaker 1: I really those those first couple of years, it was
Speaker 1: just Cyprus and rough House. We're you know, special time
Speaker 1: for me myself personally. Um, is there any plans like
Speaker 1: starting Cyper Sales record company and you guys trying to go,
Speaker 1: like find another Cyper Sales. It's always possible. I mean,
Speaker 1: Mugs is constantly on on the works, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, through through Soul Assassins, so you know, there's
Speaker 1: always Diamonds and the rough out there, man, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. We were that once upon a time,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, if you follow the direction of
Speaker 1: the producer right, because some of us as rappers have
Speaker 1: like egos and be like, whould like I'll just do
Speaker 1: let me do me. But if you follow the direction right,
Speaker 1: you might come up with something significant. I always followed
Speaker 1: the direction of Mugs and and and I learned through
Speaker 1: Mugs to follow directions of other producers. Now if they're
Speaker 1: letting me paint the picture and going on at my pace,
Speaker 1: then sure I know how to take that ship over
Speaker 1: because again I learned from this man right here. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And uh, you know, so it's
Speaker 1: important you put your ego aside, you know, because a
Speaker 1: lot of us will love our own ship like that,
Speaker 1: but we learned not to do that early, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, if Mugs gave us this beat
Speaker 1: and we took that fucking beat home with us and
Speaker 1: fucking listened to it a thousand times, send dogging myself
Speaker 1: might fall in love with that ship. And then when
Speaker 1: Mugs changes something, we might be like, oh man, why
Speaker 1: did you change that? And then it creates a fucking dynamic.
Speaker 1: That's there's tension, and then chemistry is broken there, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But if we give trust into
Speaker 1: Mugs saying, like his name's on it, he's got the
Speaker 1: same the same want of it being fire as we do.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna put his name on something that's whacked
Speaker 1: or ship. So let's follow the direction and and like
Speaker 1: create something special, you know. So I learn to do
Speaker 1: that with mugs, and I did it with other producers
Speaker 1: if they had direction. If they didn't, I painted the campus,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I think an artist
Speaker 1: if there, if they're being one thousand with themselves, follow
Speaker 1: the producer when producer gives you a direction, you know,
Speaker 1: Like that made it easy for me to be creative.
Speaker 1: When he had an idea for something. I hear this, Okay,
Speaker 1: let me paint that I think was great. So let
Speaker 1: me ask y'all Mount westmore right, I believe it's ice
Speaker 1: que sloop too short? Right? They say they're doing an album,
Speaker 1: but then now they're saying that they're doing a tour.
Speaker 1: Is there talks about including you guys in this took?
Speaker 1: Not that I've heard of, because that's what I heard.
Speaker 1: I heard that that that would be cool as funk.
Speaker 1: I could tell you, you know, if we went on
Speaker 1: at a y'all exhibit, what got the Plug. You got
Speaker 1: the Plugs exclusive drinks right now. Ah, you interested not
Speaker 1: a good airhord because just think about that Mount Westmore
Speaker 1: because those guys can do their four set. Then you know,
Speaker 1: I'd be amazing that all the West coast like that.
Speaker 1: I think that would be just crazy. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's true or not neither what I would
Speaker 1: I would say that that would that would be a
Speaker 1: fucking enormous show. That would makes sense because you got
Speaker 1: Titans as that group right there, the Mount Westmore. I mean,
Speaker 1: everybody is everybody, and you know we funk with all
Speaker 1: of them. You know, those are our brothers right there
Speaker 1: and Ship so you know, if we were called upon
Speaker 1: to play support for our bros, yeah, of course we
Speaker 1: would do that. If that rumor is true, hey celebrated
Speaker 1: because let's make that. Lets everyone we don't love about that?
Speaker 1: Love I love about you guys. Is I love O
Speaker 1: g s being o gs Like I don't like when
Speaker 1: you know, people, you know, trying to copy the new sound,
Speaker 1: the new style. I like us being, you know, acting
Speaker 1: our own age, like you know what I'm saying. That's
Speaker 1: why I love this. I love this and that we
Speaker 1: could be cool at the ages we had like I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't gotta be you know, I don't gotta be too.
Speaker 1: I gotta be doing that. That's the floor, Like I
Speaker 1: can't do that. I can't. I'm glad, you know we
Speaker 1: have our own platforms big up to rock the bells. Also,
Speaker 1: we could be ourselves. We don't have to, you know,
Speaker 1: try to get to this saying. I feel like we
Speaker 1: started it from drink chance, but you know part of it, um,
Speaker 1: And I just want to salute you all one more time. Man,
Speaker 1: you guys are living legends in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: You know, you paid your way for both of us.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, us getting to see like
Speaker 1: you know, because because it was crazy, you know, me
Speaker 1: being born and raised in New York City, I only
Speaker 1: thought it was Puerto Ricans. I didn't know it was
Speaker 1: like I was in Americans. I was like, what Mexicans.
Speaker 1: And then to see people on on on TV on
Speaker 1: my video music box, and to see it and and
Speaker 1: then and you know, you got split in the you
Speaker 1: got to speaking about Latin lingo, but um, you gots
Speaker 1: you know, saying the Spanish and I'm sitting there and
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy shit, this is it was Latinos everywhere
Speaker 1: and I had not known that that. That was crazy.
Speaker 1: Y'all was like my geographical map back then. Why I
Speaker 1: didn'tn't know how to be the map. But what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, these people could be from over
Speaker 1: there too, and we're not just a funny look like yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just like I just got it was my block.
Speaker 1: Like they literally called me poppy because I was the
Speaker 1: only Latino that I was. You know, it's racist, by
Speaker 1: the way, just like and then I realized, and then
Speaker 1: I would't want to say that to y'all. You know, um,
Speaker 1: and I think we yester on one more shot. But
Speaker 1: I want to say to y'all, man, that was a
Speaker 1: big inspiration. Um, that was big motivation. It was so man,
Speaker 1: it's so dope. And like I said, it wasn't it's
Speaker 1: not only that, you know, for for for me to
Speaker 1: look up to you guys, for me to meet you guys,
Speaker 1: and you guys to be the same exactly where you
Speaker 1: guys be real as fun, you guys be you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like like just always being uh the
Speaker 1: figure that I've seen because I used to meet people
Speaker 1: used to look up to and then I meet him,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I funk, it's as a prick. And you
Speaker 1: guys are really that you guys are really and you
Speaker 1: guys held it down together thirty years. Man. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's something to really be proud of.
Speaker 1: That's something that really and we want to salute you.
Speaker 1: We want to give your flowers please, and you got
Speaker 1: your shirt. We gotta sch got your shirts too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: every one of you got shirts. But listen, I want
Speaker 1: to tell y'all, man, thank you all for what y'all did.
Speaker 1: Thank you all for what your sacrifice, thank you all
Speaker 1: for leaving the way, thank you all for being leaders,
Speaker 1: thank you all for motherfucking being who the fuck y'all are.
Speaker 1: And you know, one time for your mind, to time
Speaker 1: for your soul like but man, you know, motherfucker like
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