WEBVTT - Episode 311 w/ Cypress Hill 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.360 Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of the Black Effect 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:17.080 and I Heart Radio and his Drink Chess motherfucking podcast. 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.760 He's a legendary queen's rapper. He's like, that's your boy 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:25.040 in no R. He's a Miami hip popper, pioneer. Up 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:27.800 is d j e f N. Together they drinking up 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:31.280 with some of the biggest players in the most professional, 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:35.440 unprofessional podcast and yet number one sorts for drunk fast 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:42.199 Rich New Year's time for Drink Champs. Trick up the 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:50.120 What'll it good be? Hopey want to shoot me? This 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:52.040 is your point? N A O A what up is 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:54.320 d j e f N. That's the saming crazy world 0:00:54.360 --> 0:01:03.520 Radio Drink Chess minix up where mediaf and started this show. 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:06.160 We started and we said we wanted to give people, 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.840 you know, the flowers. That is season of its legends. 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:12.559 And when we're talking about legends, we're talking about real 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:16.679 people who create, who paved the way for both of 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:21.840 us to be here. These dudes have told all over 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:25.560 the world. They told like restless, I feel like there 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:32.000 was thew These guys has transition, has stayed who they are, 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.199 but crossed over, but stay who they are. The first 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:42.640 people to light up in anywhere on stage, especially Saturday 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:49.520 Night Live. Had we watched that. I watched the documentary. 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.120 These guys are legends, a legends. They paved the way. 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:55.760 If you are Latino, if you are a smoke man, 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:58.360 if you are a person who loved music, if you're 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:01.200 a person who loved raving, all this, all that, that 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:06.040 ship is just all combined together for the most selling 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:11.919 Latino group of all times. When we had to google 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:15.560 it myself in case you don't know who the we're 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:25.680 talking about, we talked about our homies, our family. The 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:29.560 one thing watching the documentary is one of the first 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:33.520 things I noticed is it was Cyper's av It's not 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:37.320 Cypress Hill, right, So why did your name is Cypress 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:41.240 Hills if it was all Cypress? Okay? So, like before 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.600 we really got on, we were called dv X right, 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:47.600 Devastating Vocal Excellence. As corny as it might be, that's 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.240 what it was. But when we got on, we had 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:53.840 to change our name to something. And uh, you know, 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:58.280 Mugs was constantly bringing East Coast music over to to 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:00.560 send Dog and myself and one of the one of those, 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:03.760 uh one of those albums was Wild Style. It was 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:07.600 the soundtrack for the movie and uh In. In one 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:12.760 of those joints, um ram Melz references Cypress Hill. He 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:15.560 lives send dog lived on Cypress av So we thought 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:19.760 Cypress Hill. But there is a hill, you know what 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:22.040 I'm saying. No, there's a street. There's another street down. 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:29.480 I lived on Dearborn. Yeah, yeah, really, Lollipop the preschool. Yeah, 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.840 I went to that school. No, no ship, that's crazy. 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:38.920 So yeah, you know, that just seemed like the natural 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:40.480 way to go. So that's why a lot of people 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:42.400 thought we were from the East Coast in the beginning, 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:45.480 because of that little flip right there. You know. Otherwise 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:49.000 we've been called Cypress Avenue or some other ship. It fits. 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:51.320 It fits because when I looked at the damn it 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:54.280 Cypress have I said, how did they get Cypress Hills? 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:57.320 So it never dawned on me. Well, let's go straight 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:01.840 to you. It's I was coming to dressing room. They 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:04.840 tell you not to stop smoking because you were smoking. Now, 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:13.040 I was rolling out the documentary. It was rehearsal. I 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:16.520 was rolling up a rehearsal, rolling up the day before. 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:18.360 This is the day. It was the day, and I 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:20.840 was like, don't smoke Okay, I ain't gonna smoke, but 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.640 were you smoking? Not yet? Okay, so they just smelled 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:25.400 it on you. And that was like, well they knew 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:28.800 what they knew, something was gonna happen because we're being 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:32.799 Sony Columbia smoking. Nobody was smoking Columbia records, but Downyana 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:34.599 would be like the ciper still leave him alone. Wherever 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:36.200 we went, we was. We was blazing and getting kicked 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:39.080 out of hotels everything. So I'm just rolling up and 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:42.120 you know, it was like don't smoke, don't smoke, don't smoke. 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:46.160 It's like dressing room and dress then, and they said 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:50.080 don't slide up on stage. All right? Cool. After a while, 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.960 I was like, man, funk damn. You know, because we 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.440 were young and aggressive, we just really didn't give a funk. 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:57.359 We're trying to figure this whole music shot out and 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:59.279 be fucking courteous, you know what I mean, to be 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.000 nice and try to fit in and that right, But 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.200 still were young and still aggressive and were like and fun, 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.520 these motherfucker's my light up and we'll Saturday in New 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:13.280 York this time, because you know it's crazy. Now New 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:15.720 York passed the bill where you could actually like I 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.279 would have got. The last six months, i've been going 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:20.760 back home, I've been smoking right in front of program. 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:23.680 It's the weirdest in the world. That's why they should 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:30.479 have us back. Now there's my point, you know, you 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.240 know what the original plan was to that, you know, 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:37.600 But because they kept antagonizing him with not smoking, we 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:40.440 were like we had been doing shows at that time 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:46.280 where we were destroying our set at the end of tables, 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:49.320 the turn tables burning, Bobo's cone goes on fire, like 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:52.479 this is how Cypress Hill ends the show, right, And 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.000 we were ending tours like that, and then we started 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:58.440 doing it every show. We bought these shitty turntables mugs 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.479 with unplug a swath them out at the end and 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.040 we'd fucking smashed the set. So the plan was to 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:06.640 do this on Saturday Night Live, smoke at the end, 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.240 but they kept working with him and he said, fuck it, 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:14.760 he went, we had to do it at the beginning 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.200 because I know they might cut the TV right, so 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:19.440 we didn't want to do it the first song. It 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:22.880 was the second I don't range against the Machine was 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:24.520 on there and they was talking they was gonna do something. 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:26.359 They cut them off before their second song, So I 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:27.599 was like, we got to do it at the second 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:30.000 song so they don't cut us off live, right, So 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:31.960 when I lit up there, everybody knew that already that 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:35.800 he was gonna do that. Pretty much. We all had 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.400 joints ready so that when we wrecked the set, we 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:41.520 were going to stand over the aftermath of it and 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.080 make that statement. But they kept working with him, you 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.320 know what I mean. And I could relate to that 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.920 because you know, we we come from that punk rock 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.360 state of mind where like, if you tell us not to, 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.920 we're going to and funk now, funk the plan. I'm 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:56.880 gonna really show you that we're going to. And he 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:59.080 did it off the rip, and you know what, for 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:01.120 as much ship as we got for it and we 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:04.640 got banned. Is one of the most re ran fucking episodes. 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:09.760 And they don't cut his part out and just kept 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:18.720 kept smoking the like that adds to our myth, you know, 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.200 in our legend. I think you know that we would 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:23.800 do some ship like that, you know, and that he 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:27.280 would take that risk right there, and uh, you know 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:31.080 it added to our story. Man in a in a 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.440 in a cool way as opposed to a fucking l 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:35.880 We took. No, we fucking got a w off that 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.320 because at that time, and it says it in a documentary, 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:41.800 were you guys actually the first people to light up 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:43.640 on stage? I don't know if it's a hip hop 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:49.280 act as as a hip hop act, most likely, yeah, 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:53.720 you know, because obviously people were making references as we were, 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.480 and we were speaking to it, you know, from the rip. 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.440 But I don't remember what was the first show, but 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.480 someone through a joint on stage, because that would happen 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:04.800 to us, We get joints rained down. One day, I 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.320 picked one up and I lit it up, and people 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.520 went fucking crazy for it because they hadn't seen someone 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.440 light up on stage. So I started doing the ship 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:20.280 everywhere with my own weed though, because like that's how 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.760 I'm hearing records. Everybody was talking about don't smoke, like, 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:29.920 don't smoke, I don't brain damage break down said, yeah, 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:40.440 it was off expression brain damage. But I mean after that, yeah, 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.000 you know, because so many so many yeah, I mean, 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:47.040 so many people had the wrong information for so many years, 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:50.680 and we fucking actually learned it and we're like providing it, 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.280 you know, and uh, it flipped people. It It made 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:56.760 people have a different outlook, and I think that's why 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:00.760 it went from that to now the chronic like, oh ship, 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:04.240 maybe these dudes are onto something. So I think we 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:07.120 opened people's minds on that ship just because we were 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:09.640 so blatantly upfront with it, because there was who we were. 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:12.400 It was nothing planning, you know, like we gotta be 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.320 this because there's nothing there in that lane. This is 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:17.480 just who we were. We smoked a lot of weed. 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.240 We love to do music, and we didn't give off 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:31.760 fun got down usually down our House of Pain. Oh boys. 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:35.200 That's when I first met Cypress. This they're opening up 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:37.920 for the checking Head tour and I was playing with them, 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:39.920 and then uh, they came on the last couple of 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:43.040 weeks in the tour, and then I first met Sin 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:46.079 and then before you know it, I started hanging out 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.840 on their bus more than I was with the Beastie Boys. 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:53.000 So you know, uh, they had a better weed, you know. 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:56.280 So uh, you know, it just all came together like that, 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.760 and then before you know it, you know, uh that 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.880 asked me to do the sold Assassin to a ninety 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:05.400 three that was with Folk Dubious House of Pain Hooligan's 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:09.760 you know, And it all started from there. Wow, that's 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:16.120 the beating us. And it was crazy when we were 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.160 on that Beastie Boyd tour. We was making ten twenty 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:19.760 thousand and nine, and the Beastie Boys was like, you 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:21.640 want to open up, will give you five a night. 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:24.200 We looked at each other, We was like, fun, let's 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.679 go steal all their fans. Will sell more records, will 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:30.120 get our publishing checks will get bigger. Let's go. Wow. Yeah, 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.280 because you're b is the audience, and you know, and 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.480 and and salute to them for taking the chance and 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.600 bringing us on because of me. You know, they had 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.040 put us on the show with them in New York, 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:44.440 remember that at the Octagon Club or something, and was 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:49.280 the building. There was the building, that's the building. Yeah, 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:52.200 we're we're still like up and coming, but there we're 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:54.360 on the bubble. At this point in the Beastie's or 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.439 someone in their camp says, we should have cypers to 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:58.720 open for you guys, blah blah blah. So we we 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.320 go and this is the first time now because this 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:04.040 was before lot of PLUSA and all that ship, we 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:07.120 go and do this and now people are washing and 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:10.360 stage diving and doing all that crazy ship to our music. 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.200 And the Beast at the Beastie Boys show, and I 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:15.640 think that's kind of they saw that and that opened 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:17.960 it up for us to open up for them on 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.200 the Check Your Head Tour, which because I think you 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.720 guys kind of like invented like like raps other than 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:27.720 Beast the Boys rappers, you know, dominating these festivals back then. 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.720 Festivals was like it was just it was just like 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.160 it was. It was the first hip hop coop to 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:38.040 headline reading big festival in England. It was one of 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:43.000 their big historical it's makes genre, you know, and for 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:46.320 hip hop to headline it that was big at the time. 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:49.200 Just turntables, right, it wasn't you didn't have the band yet. Yeah, 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:53.000 I just turned it. That's crazy. That's now amongst you 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:56.000 was born in Queens Ain't going watched the documentary I 0:11:56.040 --> 0:12:04.000 Claimed You a Media, Jamaica hospital between Jackson Heights and Flushing, 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.200 who my grandparents and my aunt lived there and then 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:09.600 moved to l A, you know, like seventh grade. So 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:14.440 how was that culture? Shock? Weird? Weird at fu? You 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:15.959 know what I mean? For me could be being able 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:18.040 to jump on a bus or a train and and 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.600 and move and just being around culture in New York 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.120 to go into l A and being like just stuck, 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:26.160 just stuck, and it was slow and it was and 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:28.720 you said, from what part of Queens You just said, 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:32.240 Jackson Heights. Jackson Heights. Okay, damn that that's really that's 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:37.640 really Columbia. Uh yeah, so you go from there to play. 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:39.920 I moved to Bell Gardens and it was it was 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:44.000 pretty much like Southeast Los Angeles, you know, it's like 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:48.800 um Mexicans. And I was like, this is a little 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:57.240 bit different from because yeah, man, any chance I can 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.440 get back. So Christmas vacation, I get on the Greyhound 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.760 and go home. Go back to New York. Some a vacation, 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:03.920 Get on the Greyhound three days, nine and nine dollars, 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.760 go back to New York for the summer. Every time, 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.920 just go back. But then, you know, just bringing that 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.160 culture back, Start bringing the culture back, bringing the pro 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:14.760 heads back and the Lee jeans and the Latigras and 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:17.240 do rags. And then I start bringing you know, when 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.840 I met the homies here, like start bringing the records back. 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:22.600 Rock Kim when he was on Zankia Records and the 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.840 Bridge him, she shanned records like this ship was one 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:28.080 records I bring all the ships back and the records 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.679 wasn't in l A yet. Nobody had him yet, so 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:36.880 we were waiting. Yeah, we were. We were so ahead 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:38.520 of the kid. We we had we we we had 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:40.720 a little, a little advantage, you know, as far as 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:42.400 the culture was, you know what I mean. And then 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.280 being sent would fly back to New York with me. 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.400 His his dad worked for Delta Airlines, so they get 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.800 free flights. So they fly back to New York. They 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:50.840 stay with me and Queen's and we go hang out, 0:13:50.920 --> 0:14:00.400 drive down the Philly with Clark. Can't hang out with said, 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:06.520 I mean, maybe I knew him and I forgot metal Man. Yeah, 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:15.640 well you're part of the group at one point, but 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:20.360 he had gotten signed before we got on, so you know, right, 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:23.160 so he popped off his own thing and you know, 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:27.360 Sanding Muggs and I popped off Cypress Hill. Your has 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.840 hold up a second. I got something to say. Addiction 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.640 is a treatable disease, but finding the right treatment can 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:39.600 be overwhelming and confusing. Shadow Proof, a national nonprofit, is 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:43.920 here to help without judgment. At shadow Proof, their goals 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:46.520 to help you find addiction care that meets your needs 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:50.520 and leads to better health and long term recovery. 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And you know, he did his thing. 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:21.120 You know, he and I had success and a kind 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.280 of mortar showed us that it was attainable to us 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:26.840 as well, type of ship and uh and along the 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.040 way we learned from you know, what he didn't do 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:31.880 right or what he did right or whatever, and you know, 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:36.000 we came up behind that. But originally when I first 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:38.880 started my first band, I wasn't like, uh my first 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.080 hip hop group. I was like in high school still 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:45.640 and Mellow was my Ryan partner, and uh, it was 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:47.800 all behind because I saw run DMC on Soul Train, 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:50.280 you know what I mean, and I was like, these 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:51.960 are the dudes. We got to be like these guys, 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:53.960 you know, So we started doing our own thing with 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:59.920 DJ Julio G. Yeah and um and then it let 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.160 that led to you know, always somebody in the mix 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:06.680 doing something together or apart or but it was always 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.560 this crew right here. It could have been a combination 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:11.840 to meet him and him or him him or whatever, 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:13.960 but there was always something in the works. There was 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.560 never anything any point where like we were not like 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:20.080 actively trying to record or do something, you know what 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.880 I mean. And it all started from from that point. 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:26.240 And that was like when I first started, it was like, 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:28.880 you know what I mean, I was I was still 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:30.480 in high school at that point. That was I was 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:31.880 doing my thing, you know, I was just trying to 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:34.520 I knew that there was something there and get me 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:36.560 what I'm saying. So that's what we that's what we 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:39.200 always that's what we always strive for on the block. 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.560 Let me ask you as a question real quick, because 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:44.920 your first video was shot in New York, right, No, 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.840 it wasn't. What was what was the Funky Field one, 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:52.560 which is the first one shot downtown l A. Looked 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.280 like New York. I did in an alley that sort 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:57.640 of looked like it could be East Coast, just right. 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:01.240 Um kill a Man, which is the second video that 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:04.240 was New York that was like and hand on the 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:07.840 park killing man. We we went in different locations. We 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:10.720 were up in Harlem, we were on Times Square over 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:14.879 there bi Aster Asters place, and one other spot I 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.720 can't remember. And then um hand on the pump was 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:21.960 Red Hook, Brooklyn, So that's why still it was yes, 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.120 but it was Red Hood, Brooklyn. And that's another reason 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.800 that people thought we were from scause that was my 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.239 next cutes have been there, but then Cube was in there. 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.000 That was the Cube showed up random that it was 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:36.000 random and they told me prodigy and have it just 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:40.120 got out of school and they was there, the um there, 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:44.399 ice Cube both random or they were all random. So 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.239 we didn't know any of these dudes, right, like no 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.200 personal relationship. First, we had never met Cube, we only 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:55.480 or something. So how he knew from a knew that. 0:17:56.440 --> 0:18:00.960 Let's backtrack EPMD, let's playing our ship for everybody, ice 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:03.359 Cube being one of him. So he hears about us 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:06.760 and and you know, he becomes a fan according to 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:10.919 the story, right, and he comes to New York for 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:13.520 some promo ship or something he was doing in New York. 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:17.000 He heard we were doing the video over it, asked 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:19.080 or you know the Cube, where is that at it? 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:23.960 That's Aster's place right. The Cube desit downtown. He hears 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:30.440 we're there and he comes down right say, um, Q Tip, 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:33.679 he just happened to get off the train and he 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:39.000 was walking through. Saw it. U MC has heard about it. 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:42.880 They came through and uh, Tim Dog was the only one. 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.960 I think that was by Sony. They knew we were 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:49.520 doing the video, so they Tim Dog from New York. 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:53.520 So everybody else was just random because we didn't know. 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:55.560 We didn't have a relationship with it with any of 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:58.520 these guys yet, you know, we we were fans of them, 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:00.399 you know what I'm saying, But we didn't know him, 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:04.280 and they came out and supported and that that built, 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.880 like the relationship with Q Tip and Ice Cube and 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.439 you know, and and even the UMCS for a minute. 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:13.200 I mean, those were our boys. Whenever we come to 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:15.440 the to the East coast, there was and Brand Nubius, 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:19.480 but they weren't in the video, but just saying out 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:21.560 with our ship was out for six months before we 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:25.000 started popping, but everybody knew we was like the underground heroes, 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.080 but it took six months before everything just came together. 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:30.960 It wasn't like York. We was popping in New York, 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:33.520 stretching while Beata was playing us this is a beautiful 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:34.760 I mean, let me cut you up and what's like, 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:36.760 this is a beautiful thing because me and if we 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.520 always had this debate back then, how New York didn't 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:42.240 show love, but this is this is the opposite exception 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:47.119 on the rule, right, because West Coast right. And then 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:58.600 we did video a couple of right. You know, as 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:01.040 the hip hop group goes from the West Coast, we 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:05.400 came unorthodox. People expected us to sound like gangster rap, 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:08.800 and we sounded nothing like. It was gangster, but it 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:11.320 was not that in that genre. It was more looked 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:13.840 at its hip hop. And because of that East Coast 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.280 flavor that Mugs brought to the table in terms of 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:20.920 the production and send Dog and I, you know, doing 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:25.760 a hybrid New York slash fucking l a slang on it, 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.280 no one could really tell, you know what I mean. 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:32.720 So we got away with with a good one on Motherfucker's. 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.360 But again, you know, because he was showing us all 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:37.800 this music that was coming out that we didn't get 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:40.760 on the radio back home. We were ahead of the 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:43.479 game and so that that all played a part in 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:46.919 all that, not just New York because when you get 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:50.920 in New York, you get the whole were the first 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:54.680 Motherfucker's and then once we shot the Killer Man video, 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:56.680 we started getting on MTV reps like two or three 0:20:56.680 --> 0:20:58.280 times a week, and you know, that ship was like 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:00.480 the only watch you know what I mean, the box 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:02.960 and then she just started taking off, you know, you 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:05.680 know what, you know what's crazy about the stretching Barbado ship, 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:08.719 right and and and it speaks to this in their documentary. 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:12.080 We went up there and you know this is no 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:14.640 one knew us yet. This was like a total promo 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:16.879 run and they asked us to do a freestyle and 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:20.280 my freestyle was crap. You know, I wasn't ready for it. 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:23.600 My mind wasn't there, and I was slightly intimidated because 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:26.920 I'm in mecca of hip hop, you know, in New York, 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:29.840 and you know I'm a West Coast kid, like I 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:32.479 got confidence, but in that moment, I didn't do my 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:36.000 best work right And so Motherfucker's was like not feeling 0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:38.400 us that day. But they said a week later, when 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:41.439 that Killing Man ship pop, all the Motherfucker's it was 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:44.240 hating on us start calling in for the fucking record 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:47.480 and that ship sort of you know, started to kill 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:49.680 a man bubble right there. Do you think that that 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:51.960 some of those mysteries that people didn't really know where 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:54.560 y'all were from, what the background was, kind of helped 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:57.399 in a way. I liked that I missed the mystery 0:21:57.440 --> 0:21:59.680 of things because your mind, when you creative, you start 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:01.000 making a He's on things in your head that are 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:02.639 bigger than life. You know what I'm saying. No, but 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:06.280 I'm gonna be honest, even as a young dude looking 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:08.520 at it the way I dressed, I can still feel 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:12.159 that Los Angeles, although, like you know, it was like 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:14.240 look like a New York thing. I could just feel 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:16.199 that Los Angeles. It's just like send a shirt like 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:18.240 you just you just know, like I can wear that 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:24.679 same shirt that the rest of the country, maybe you 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:27.880 and New York automatically, but like even me and I'm 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:29.640 and you know, first I guess cipper soon and it's 0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:32.080 like man, I think it's they're saying l A stuff 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:34.560 and you know, and then then the Latino aspect to 0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:37.400 like I'm Cuban, and at first I just think y'all 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:40.320 are just Mexican coming out of l a dog go by, 0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:43.639 And then I hears hold up, I hear Cuban slanging 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:46.199 this ship because I didn't even connect Mellow yet to 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:47.600 you guys, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:50.600 holy ship, they Cuban too, and from South Kato. My 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:52.800 head just blew the funk up right there. It was 0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:56.000 like what Muggs Muggs always um said this man, you 0:22:56.040 --> 0:22:59.320 know better to be mysterious because you know, it makes 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:02.560 people want know you more and and do the homework 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:05.520 on you. That's there's that mystery build up and ship, 0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:08.600 and back then that was awesome. You know, it helped 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:11.480 because we didn't show our faces on covers and we 0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:14.280 even stopped going to clubs for a minute to be 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:17.760 not so accessible, to to be that mystery and ship, 0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:21.280 and uh, it made it made motherfucker's want you more 0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:24.200 rather than being out all the fucking time and being 0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:28.200 super accessible and the motherfucker's getting to know your game 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:30.959 and how you roll in all that ship and you know, 0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:34.120 sort of at that time that sort of played you out. 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:36.200 So you know, for us, it was all about mystery. 0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:39.000 And we saw what the rock and metal heads would 0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:42.040 do on on their album covers and they rarely showed 0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:45.840 their faces always some obscure ship and we that we 0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:49.920 love that ship, right, So that that became our visuals 0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:53.080 for you know, our album covers, which I think is 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:55.280 a whole other element that in hip hop. I don't 0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:57.240 think it was a strong like the way the imagery, 0:23:57.680 --> 0:23:59.880 the logo like all that just made it so much more. 0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:02.840 The record labels wanted to show the faces of the 0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:05.719 faces their marketing. Right here, let me show you these 0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:09.000 fresh fucking faces. This we want you to buy these guys, right, 0:24:09.080 --> 0:24:11.239 and you know, we just didn't do that. We were like, 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:13.920 we see something else and that was thanks too much, 0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:16.000 just like by the vibe, you know what I mean, 0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:19.320 by the vibe, that's what we was about, by the vibe, 0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:21.320 not by the faces. Like a lot of people didn't 0:24:21.320 --> 0:24:23.119 know what the funk? Who the funk? And you know 0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:25.280 you're dressing you on your cover and then that that 0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:27.840 that gears played out to look at the cover and 0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:30.560 the cover looks dated, you know what I mean? We 0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:33.720 just keep it timeless, and that logo just became iconic 0:24:33.840 --> 0:24:37.240 like forever. So let me ask y'all because like you know, 0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:39.840 we've seen run DMC and we've seen the Beastie Boys, right, 0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:42.680 but it was like y'all music like like even let's 0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:46.159 just like DMC doesn't have a record call you just 0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:50.919 Kill a Man? Yeah, that was like it's nothing, but 0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:54.840 it was different, like how did y'all have balance having 0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:56.960 a record called like how I could just kill a man? 0:24:57.080 --> 0:25:00.720 Still be on festivals and it's on the stage is 0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:03.760 like how the fun and no one's offended, like you 0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:10.480 guys who like it's like, it's crazy because the ship 0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:13.000 on the radio when we was making music with MC, hammer, 0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:16.440 Vanilla Ice, Jazz, jeffrom, the Fresh Prince and w A 0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:18.320 comes and were coming and when we come and kill 0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:20.280 a man, all of a sudden, that's on daytime radio. 0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:24.120 Andre's on daytime radio, and Snoops on daytime radio. Like 0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:26.639 for about those five years, it just done flipped up 0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:29.520 like a motherfucker. Sometimes when we're playing this song, I 0:25:29.560 --> 0:25:35.120 think just that, like how the fuck you know it? Well? 0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:42.600 You know it's still it's justified how you kill a man? Right? Um, yeah, 0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:45.359 it's a trip, you know. I didn't expect that to 0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:48.400 be you know what what it became. I don't think 0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:50.439 any of us did. We knew we had something, but 0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:53.040 we didn't know what what was gonna hit and you know, 0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:55.680 thanks to the DJs. Salute to all the DJ's that 0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:58.800 flipped that record and and hit that that song because 0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:01.800 it was a double a sign funky Feel one and 0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:04.000 how I could just kill him then. But at the time, 0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:06.639 because we're a you know, a group that talks about 0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:09.359 weed and its hip hop and we're talking about some 0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:13.000 violent ship, they choose. They chose to push as and 0:26:13.080 --> 0:26:16.320 Sony chose to push Um Funky Field one because they 0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:18.560 figured that was more marketable and it was cool, but 0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:21.679 it wasn't really resonating. That's why that first six months 0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:24.360 no one knew who the funk we were. And then 0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:28.640 DJ's flipped that record and to add on to that, 0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:32.640 you had the Juice soundtrack right that, you know, it 0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:38.280 makes it makes it the time frame with Chuck Chuck 0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:40.560 d and the Bomb Squad were doing the score and 0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:42.399 the music for that, they heard out I Could just 0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:44.200 kill a man and they were like, that's got to 0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:55.600 be the main song and I need to know the story. 0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:59.200 I mean so like so, the combination of the DJ's 0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:02.040 flipping that song and the momentum that was getting on 0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:05.600 the mixed shows every day play it wasn't getting rotation play, 0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:08.560 but it was getting mixed show heavy mix show play, 0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:12.919 and then the video starts hitting. I mean, fuck, what 0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:14.760 was crazy is that we were on tour with Naughty 0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:16.800 by Nature and we hadn't made a video to kill 0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:19.399 a man yet or hand on the pump, but the 0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:23.080 song starting to go right and this is just before 0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:25.200 this is before juice. This is like when the mixed 0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:28.240 shows start playing the ship. They pull us off the 0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:30.439 road to film those two videos. I think we were 0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:33.800 in Virginia or something like that, and Sony makes the 0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:36.280 call pull him off the road. They gotta come to 0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:38.960 two days to film such and such and such and 0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:41.000 such kill a man in hand on the pump. So 0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:43.399 we knock it out, jump back on the road with 0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:47.119 Naughty and continue to fucking move and then eventually this 0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:53.640 juice thing happens propels the fucking song. This is like, yeah, 0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:59.639 well it's yeah, as we released in August, so it 0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:03.680 was yeah, it was probably early two, right somewhere around there, 0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:08.760 or no, that had to be like late ninety one 0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:11.440 because it was O P P. That was the big 0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:14.640 song at that time and we were we were opening 0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:18.600 for them at that time. Like Tretch was always family 0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:21.280 with us, and they wanted us to come on and 0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:24.680 overly for them, speaking about the Juice sound track. Each 0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:30.560 oh yeah, well ye digital Underground, Digital Underground, there was 0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:32.480 our homies, so that they would come to l A. 0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:35.160 They call us. We'd roll up to the shows because 0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:42.000 technically Digital Underground isn't from l A. Yeah, and we 0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:44.080 we we knew them through a guy named Jerry Davis 0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:46.520 who worked for ASCAP, who was one of the guys 0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:49.200 that he was like the first believer in us, I think, 0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:52.640 so salute to fucking Jerry Davis. But he introduces us 0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:54.680 to money Be and and the rest of the guys. 0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:57.120 So we become friends, and like moug said, we'd go 0:28:57.160 --> 0:28:59.520 to their shows and stuff like that. And so when 0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:01.880 we got it on now and then when we go 0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:04.840 up to the Bay, you know, Park would come hang 0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:07.240 out with us and smoke us out sometimes just to 0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:09.280 go have our back. I remember one time we were 0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:12.720 having to show in Berkeley somewhere because y'all going Berkeley. Yeah, 0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:15.920 all right, Boomy pulls out a big gass hand cannon 0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:19.640 and I fucking oounced to some green Bay area weed 0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:22.520 and was like I got your back, Like all right, 0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:30.280 let's go himself. Park himself, he didn't have a bunch 0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:37.720 of homies by himself, and he would come hang out 0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:41.000 with us and and he was one thousand about that ship, 0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:43.400 and you know we relate to that. We're like, hell yeah, 0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:47.760 let's go and uh ship. I remember one show we 0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:53.160 did with UM. We were opening for UM third Base. 0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:55.360 I think it was their last tour, their last big 0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:59.280 tour before they sort of went away. UM. It was 0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:01.680 us him Dog in Third Base and we were at 0:30:01.680 --> 0:30:05.640 the DNA lounge where we filmed eventually filmed UM Insane 0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:08.520 in the Brain years later. We filmed it there because 0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:11.800 it's historic place to us. Anyway, we're in this venue, 0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:16.280 Park shows up and uh, I remember this one dude 0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:18.920 getting dragged in the dressing room and beat up by 0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:22.000 these fools and throwing the right the funk out. It 0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:25.400 was like real on some ship to to you guys, 0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:28.840 did anybody could jump in on this one? Was Park 0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:31.960 the same guy from Digital Underground on on Death Row 0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:36.880 or that was two different individuals. He definitely evolved and 0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:39.880 you know, he saw things maybe a little bit different, 0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:43.680 and obviously he was rolling with a crazily different squad 0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:46.600 at that point. You know, I hadn't talked to him 0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:48.920 in that time when he was rolling with that squad, 0:30:49.160 --> 0:30:52.040 you know, because I mean we were constantly gone. I mean, 0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:53.680 next time I seen him, he was in New York 0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:58.240 with with the live squad sting them. Yeah, yeah, I 0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:01.840 mean yeah. Sometimes when we do, remember when they would 0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:06.440 do the Jack the Rappers and all those sorts of conventions, 0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:09.040 we'd all hang out together then, like you know, it'd 0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:15.000 be Tretch Park, the Brand, Nubians, Buster Um Tribe, well, 0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:17.920 Q Tips sometimes Fife, you know, and we'd all be 0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:21.440 up just chilling, smoking blunts back when I smoked blunts, 0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:25.560 and uh, we go to blunt with one hand. I 0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:27.760 used to be it with two. I haven't tried to 0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:32.160 when you're young. So let me ask you. I'll switching 0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:35.120 the subject a little bit. Um, How do you described 0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:39.160 just now like you're saying Buster Tribe like the way 0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:41.640 y'all the way it seems like it was. It was 0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:45.240 in this time there was no East coast, West coast, 0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:49.160 not for us, not for us. I used to come 0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:51.280 out the clubs in New York before we were signed, 0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:53.160 before Busting Them was signed. I'll be at I go 0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:55.240 to the Long Islan railroad to catch a train back 0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:58.080 there would be that I had the Cyperus Hill Demos 0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:01.560 are the leaders of the New school demos like early 0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:04.080 days like that, right, So so let me ask you 0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:07.880 all from the days going from there to this East 0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:10.680 Coast West Coast, how did y'all feel at that time? 0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:14.400 And y'all didn't. It didn't feel like a beef. I 0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:16.600 don't think it was West Coast. It was like, yeah, 0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:19.320 their motherfucker's right there, but there was nobody else. Yeah, 0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:20.760 we never felt the heat of that, you know what 0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:23.320 I'm saying, because we you know, we know that we 0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:26.120 we we sprung off from the East Coast. If it 0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:30.560 wasn't for the East Coast accepting us first, um, we 0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:33.000 don't get on. It's like that old ship that they 0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:34.880 used to say. You know, if you can get on 0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:36.800 in the East Coast, you could get it on anywhere. 0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:38.880 You can make it there, you can make it anywhere, right, 0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:42.000 And that was true for us because the West Coast 0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:44.960 accepted us after the East Coast did. Because we were 0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:47.960 not a traditional West Coast group. They just weren't gonna 0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:51.600 get it unless y'all did. And so that's what happened 0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:55.560 for us. There. That's real. That's real because um, a 0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:57.560 lot of us grow up and that's all they know 0:32:57.720 --> 0:32:59.920 is this East Coast West Coast. But we just hearing 0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:02.680 you described that era, it was just like I just 0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:06.160 I went to a chi would be in New York, 0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:13.720 would be in the tunneling is that we kept rooted 0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:16.040 in New York, you know what I'm saying. Like up 0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:19.200 until the pandemic, we were doing a show that we 0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:23.160 call Haunted Hill there every October for like twenty how 0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:27.280 many years, bobo, like twenty two out of the thirty years, 0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:30.560 and we just stopped at the pandemic. So we're constantly 0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:34.960 going back and feeding that that core base that that 0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:38.120 was our East Coast family there, you know what I'm saying. 0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:42.760 So you know, we never felt all that ship about 0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:44.520 the East Coast and West Coast being We thought it 0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:48.720 was ridiculous. It's like that magazine print that said East 0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:51.040 Coast versus West Coast. But it wasn't the people. It 0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:53.920 only existed for certain groups that were actually beating. It 0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:56.200 had nothing to do with the coast. The only you know, 0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:59.960 the only had it was was the proximity. These guys 0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:02.400 happened to be here, These guys are gonna be over here. 0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:06.040 But it's got nothing to do with the rest. But 0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:10.560 but but the media perpetuated something different and there's reasons 0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:13.680 for that. But that's a whole different conversation. Yeah, yeah, 0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:15.480 that's that's great. No, But it was so dope to 0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:18.160 hear y'all speak like that, because, um, you know, people 0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:21.399 forget that times, people forget the times that it was like. 0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:23.799 You know, it's because I don't remember I was on 0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:26.680 depth dam at one point. This is after Biggie died 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:30.800 and I would land and they just be like security, 0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:33.680 you gotta go, because it was just so on guard, 0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:36.640 you know what I'm saying, because after we always happened, 0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:38.680 you know what I mean? Yeah, you ever thought I 0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:40.600 was gonna get this serious? Though? Like once once they 0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:44.120 started beefend Well, you know, when when you got cats 0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:47.960 that that you know, they may not be the ones 0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:50.160 that are like still living that ship, but they got 0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:53.160 homies around them, It's it's bound to happen, right if 0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:55.720 if you got those kind of cats in your circle, 0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:58.920 Because somebody's gonna stand up for you even when you 0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:02.800 don't need them to, don't want them to, and don't 0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:05.520 expect him to and then that's when ship happens. You 0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:08.080 can't bring that gangster ship into the music. We're trying 0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:11.080 to get out of this situation to get into a 0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:14.279 better place and inspire motherfucker's to do the same thing, right, 0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:18.160 get out and do something better. And a lot of 0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:21.800 the times you see motherfucker as well. Since from about 0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:24.799 ninety six or ninety seven and up, you see a 0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:27.959 change where it's like more motherfucker's are talking about doing 0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:30.960 fucked up ship, and they're allowing this on the radio 0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:33.759 and all this stuff, where before they wouldn't allow us 0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:37.040 to talk and allow singles like this, you know. So 0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:42.520 now it's more about mindless ship, you know, and less substance. 0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:47.359 You listen to the music, some of it, there's some good. 0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:52.040 Oh yeah, there's a lot of ship because you know, 0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:55.200 I spend two I learned from DJ Muggs from way 0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:58.120 back in the day when he was taking those trips 0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:01.359 back back East. I get on his turntables when I'd 0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:04.400 be watching you know, the crib, and so like I 0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:09.080 still funk with records today, I still spend so hit 0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:15.919 to what's going Yeah, So like that, there's there's some Yeah, 0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:22.960 you think a lot of new artists. Yeah, and you 0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:25.560 stay fresh like that because you know what's out there, 0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:27.719 you know, And I think that's what keeps us all 0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:30.240 still sharp to this day, is that we listen to 0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:32.759 to ship, you know, Like Muggs told me, and I 0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:34.759 always say this, you know, if you want to be 0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:37.120 the best, you gotta listen to what the best is 0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:40.359 out there, no matter you know, how you think you are, 0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:43.719 you know what I'm saying, And so you have to 0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:46.040 keep doing that as you evolve as an artist and 0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:49.120 you you progress, so you know, we stay up on 0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:51.759 game like that. But there is a lot of garbage, 0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:55.560 but there always has been. There's always been as much 0:36:55.600 --> 0:36:59.879 specially just makes us sound better. Yeah, yeah, you need 0:36:59.880 --> 0:37:06.040 to garbage, you know what I mean. Even even even 0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:08.960 in our early days in the nineties, there was hip 0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:11.480 hop that was that ship, and then there was the 0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:14.000 ship we didn't listen to because it it wasn't slightly 0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:17.680 wasn't that ship, you know, I mean, yeah, I mean 0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:21.440 there's plenty of records. I mean, but that's always a cycle. 0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:24.879 But it's all, you know, subjective, it's what you like, right. 0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:28.080 So there there's some some young artists that I foxed 0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:31.560 with and something that I definitely don't. Well, let me 0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:34.200 let you know, pick up to our people, Cherry Colorado. 0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:39.520 Let's give these. But you know, our show is about 0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:45.520 the show. Our show was about giving people their flowers 0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:47.879 while they alive, giving people their flowers. So we wanted 0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:54.000 to give each of every one of your your own flowers. Yeah, 0:37:54.080 --> 0:38:10.880 that's right, we're bringing flowers. Bring a kind of flowers. 0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:24.399 Cool where the flower? Right? You used to be able 0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:27.239 to roll the joint with one hand? Yeah, before we 0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:30.640 created the funky field tips. Yeah, would Yeah, I could. 0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:33.080 I could roll it with one hand because I heard 0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:36.480 joint both because I heard Willie Nelson could do it. 0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:40.120 So I would practice it and I eventually got it. 0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:43.319 It's a bitch man, you're cramp your hand will cramp 0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:55.040 the food. Yeah, can we see it? Can we see it? 0:38:55.440 --> 0:39:04.040 I've been not blocking nothing right. Wow. Joint relationship with 0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:08.720 Hot Times, well, you know Hot Times was like they 0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:13.560 were like, um, you know, they heard about this hip 0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:18.280 hop group that was championing cannabis, and so they wanted 0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:20.520 us on the cover and that sort of opened up 0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:24.239 the bridge between the cannabis community and hip hop right there. 0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:28.200 And then after that, you know that that that issue 0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:31.600 did so well, and we we built a strong relationship 0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:34.879 with them with High Times that they had other hip 0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:37.160 hop groups and we were the first one there, the 0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:42.440 other first a lot of things, and we did parties 0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:46.600 with High Times at the Wetlands, remember that spot, like smashing, 0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:48.840 like off the hook like this. I mean it's a 0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:51.600 little club, but it was jam packed. And when we 0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:54.879 were doing shows, uh for High Times, events like old 0:39:54.920 --> 0:39:58.160 school High Times events, the small ones with Chef Raw 0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:02.480 and all those dudes rest in peace, um man, they 0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:06.600 were fucking awesome shows, awesome parties at Wetlands packed like 0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:10.719 this and motherfucker's just rocking to to our hip hop 0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:14.280 set like it was just unexperienced and that the little 0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:17.600 things like that sort of built our relationship with High Times, 0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:20.400 and they always lifted us up and they found something 0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:23.440 in us. And then they started seeing something and like 0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:28.880 read eventually math and eventually Snooping, and you know, the 0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:31.960 list goes on. It was Khalifa. They start started opening 0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:36.160 up to hip hop because who better to fucking Champion Cannabis. 0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:38.960 I mean, you know, we went from the step a 0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:46.319 step child renegade genre right there is non apologetic. That's 0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:49.200 the best platform for cannabis right because no one else 0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:52.799 is doing this for this for this community right now. 0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:55.920 And so you know, they embraced us. We embraced them, 0:40:55.920 --> 0:40:58.040 and I think hip hop did as well. And a 0:40:58.040 --> 0:40:59.959 lot of hip hop kids that were like just reading 0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:02.919 and the source start working with High Times Magazine now 0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:06.719 and vice versa. You know, the the alternative kids that 0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:10.319 listen to to you know, rock and different ships like that. 0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:14.479 From the High Times they start listening to hip hop 0:41:15.000 --> 0:41:17.680 and now you see a shift in a combination of 0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:20.719 hip hop kids and alternative kids coming to shows and 0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:24.000 ships like that. You know it. It was like a 0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:26.800 crazy bridge that it created and it still exists today. 0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:29.799 You mentioned red Man and circling back to when you 0:41:29.800 --> 0:41:31.440 said that E. P m d. Was putting people on 0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:36.400 the all was that the reason why I read chose 0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:39.160 the sample y'all could be time for some action was 0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:42.720 the album was finished and it was at Columbia Records, 0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:45.080 and it was circulating for six months before it came out. 0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:47.840 We was like, why the Fox taking six months to 0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:49.080 come out? You know what I mean? They were trying 0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:51.000 to set it up. You know, magazines was three months 0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:53.440 out back then. On all that ship. So they were 0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:54.840 setting it all up, but we didn't get it. So 0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:57.000 at that time, Motherfucker's was hearing it was like an 0:41:57.040 --> 0:41:59.840 underground mixtape. But the Columbia Artists had it. It was 0:41:59.880 --> 0:42:01.880 like promo only and you walk into the office and 0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:03.920 you grab it off the desk, you know what I mean, Like, 0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:05.680 what's this new Let me get that look at the 0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:08.480 front desk, like you know you're gonna be your A 0:42:08.600 --> 0:42:10.520 and R or whatever. It's on their desk. We check 0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:13.520 out this new ship and then you end up grabbing 0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:18.359 it was a red tape. It was a red tape. Um, 0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:22.080 So let me ask searching through the internet, you know, 0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:24.400 searching everything about you after I watched the documentary, I 0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:27.279 don't want to get into the documentary after this, but 0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:32.480 I see Onyx, Yeah, I see onyx uh pop up 0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:34.800 and they go, well, if you want to do a versus, 0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:37.360 who would you want to do a versus against? And 0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:39.520 I only said, well, the only people we could do 0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:42.600 it against. It's like per sale. And at first I 0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:45.920 was like nah, but then I thought I was like maybe, 0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:51.279 and now I'm like nah, I'm still like maybe. How 0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:54.680 did you guys about versus? And would you do versus 0:42:54.680 --> 0:42:59.080 against Onyx. We are doing it. Yeah, we are doing it. 0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:07.360 You said something today. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a real okay. 0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:09.960 So yeah, the way it went down, you know because 0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:13.000 as rappers, we could ask this question since versus started, right, 0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:15.880 you get asked, right, who would you go against? Or 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:17.600 who do you think would be a good one? Right? 0:43:17.719 --> 0:43:20.840 I get that, you get that. Anyone in the business 0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:25.000 pretty much guessed that, right, And so whenever they asked me, 0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:28.200 I thought, you know, it's either Woo Tang or a Cypress, 0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:31.239 I mean, or ice Cube. It's the big you know, 0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:35.360 it's a that would be fucking awesome, right. Um, But 0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:41.000 you know, Freedro said something on lad TV about it 0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:45.000 before you know, I ever said my first shit about 0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:47.000 any of the verses because I you know, I never 0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:50.320 saw us going against anybody, but I thought those two 0:43:50.600 --> 0:44:05.760 would you know, either your son who tame word. But listen, 0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:08.240 I gotta tell you that I am not worried about nobody. 0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:13.600 We match up on anybody, anybody who will match up 0:44:14.440 --> 0:44:18.120 no doubt. We have that kind of confidence. We chop heads. 0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:20.920 You know what I'm saying. We don't go for the tie. 0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:24.520 You know what I'm saying. Or the l but um, 0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:28.319 you know like that, I guess it caught you know 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:32.360 the era of trailer. You know that he said that 0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:34.160 that would be a good matchup, and I think the 0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:37.960 mindset is this, right, So with Cyprus, do you know 0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:40.400 that we have a hip hop base, but we all 0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:43.719 also have an alternative energy, So it's the energy. So 0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:46.160 when they it comes together, there's a lot of mosh pitch, 0:44:46.239 --> 0:44:49.600 stage diving and all that ship right, that happens crowdsurfing, 0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:53.359 and they have the same type of energy. Right, So 0:44:53.440 --> 0:44:56.839 I thought about guys, I thought about I've been on tour, 0:44:57.160 --> 0:45:02.120 Well they got that or they Yeah, they definitely bring 0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:04.520 the energy as as we do. And I think that's 0:45:04.560 --> 0:45:08.439 that's the mentality for the matchup, you know what I mean. 0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:12.240 But like I said, we don't come to be second. 0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:16.160 But I think, you know, it's a win win for 0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:18.080 the people because they're gonna get a great show because 0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:20.320 I know they put on a great one, right, you 0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:22.880 know what I'm saying? Yeah, where were this? Where is 0:45:22.920 --> 0:45:28.960 this taking place? At the Forum home? Well, you know, 0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:32.960 I don't I don't make the call, just go It 0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:35.920 could have been in Madison Square Garden. I'd show up 0:45:35.960 --> 0:45:37.879 the same way. No, but they live in they live 0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:42.080 in When is this so the data has already said 0:45:42.560 --> 0:45:46.200 fourteen Okay, I'm all for drinking. At that time, I'm 0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:48.359 going on think. I think I might have to cover 0:45:48.680 --> 0:45:51.360 and just just see that. It's it's a crazy format 0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:53.239 to go have to go up against your homies and 0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:55.080 ship like that, you know, because those are our homies. 0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:57.680 We did plenty of shows with them, plenty of festivals. 0:45:57.680 --> 0:46:04.560 It's not there's there's there's never now they're no no, 0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:07.359 So I love I mean, you know, um ship um 0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:11.560 sticky Fredo and I did uh a feature on asap 0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:14.640 Fergus joint get the funk out of my face or whatever, 0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:17.840 and so yeah, I mean we're mad cool. You know, 0:46:17.960 --> 0:46:19.799 this is for the sake of like, let's give the 0:46:19.840 --> 0:46:24.120 fans a show before the record, right wait, before the 0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:30.360 before the record to win. We already know stunned. I 0:46:30.480 --> 0:46:40.640 did you say it though Cyprus for the way, But 0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:43.280 the fans are gonna win more than more than anyone, 0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:45.440 because I mean I know they're gonna bring it and 0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:48.239 we are definitely gonna bring it now, sen you a 0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:53.400 flavor flavor had the best Man Battle hype Man Battle 0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:59.920 where was this app how Like? I was just like holy, 0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:10.680 it was in Australia and uh summer and like Sydney 0:47:10.760 --> 0:47:13.680 or something, and Flay was on a good one and 0:47:13.719 --> 0:47:17.080 so was I and we just we just took over 0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:19.279 this nightclub and then on the mic and did our thing, 0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:22.279 and and then Flavor. The funny thing about it, he 0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:24.560 tried to emulate the same thing that we did the 0:47:24.640 --> 0:47:27.640 night before the next night on stage of public handed me, 0:47:27.719 --> 0:47:31.720 invited me up there, and I'm like, going, your brom 0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:39.920 you know, I was sucked up last night what I did. Yeah, 0:47:40.120 --> 0:47:41.759 but it was a good time and it was a 0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:44.280 legendary night. And that's when I got to know Flavor. 0:47:44.560 --> 0:47:46.319 I already knew him, but that now I really really 0:47:46.400 --> 0:47:48.680 got to know him, because you know, when people are 0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:51.360 drunk and behind, you know, ship happens and ship like 0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:54.600 that and you see people's real true heart. And that's Flavor, 0:47:54.640 --> 0:47:58.719 you know. Yeah, Yeah, he has intention, I feel is 0:47:58.760 --> 0:48:01.160 always right, you know what I mean. He's a down 0:48:01.280 --> 0:48:03.400 ass homeboy. But it was a fun ass night. And 0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:05.200 weren't you there for that? I was right there, he 0:48:05.440 --> 0:48:10.560 right through with me. He wasn't doing right there, man, Yeah, 0:48:10.560 --> 0:48:12.920 there was no time. It was just like you know, 0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:15.960 trading off raps and this and that, and then I 0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:18.120 don't know, turning into something, turned into some other ship 0:48:18.200 --> 0:48:19.640 and he came back to rapping and it was fun. 0:48:19.760 --> 0:48:21.640 He was doing the Flavor dance, he was doing that, 0:48:21.719 --> 0:48:23.360 and then he was doing your dance. I mean, it 0:48:23.440 --> 0:48:30.240 was it was everything, the two legendary and I always 0:48:30.280 --> 0:48:33.799 looked up to Flavors as part of like and I 0:48:33.800 --> 0:48:38.200 feel like a small part of me it comes from him, 0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:40.520 you know, especially my early set dog when it was 0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:42.839 I was more of a hype man dude than than 0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:45.520 the actual rhymer, you know what I mean. And I 0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:47.359 used to get a lot of that style from him, 0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:50.719 you know. Then put my own you know, Salthgate California 0:48:50.719 --> 0:48:54.360 on it and combined the styles type of ship. We 0:48:54.400 --> 0:48:56.680 had a steady diet of Public Enemy. We love that, 0:48:57.040 --> 0:48:59.200 you know that they were one of our big influences, 0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:02.400 for sure. You guys feel that, um, you're part of 0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:05.359 influencing that. That l a underground that kind of came 0:49:05.400 --> 0:49:09.319 afterwards with solo assassins and bringing hooligans and and and 0:49:09.320 --> 0:49:13.240 and even how sapinion all the affiliates, you know, Funk dubious, cycle, Realm, 0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:16.080 and then you know, I feel like King T and 0:49:16.160 --> 0:49:20.480 Alcoholics and Liquid they came after like really solidified that 0:49:20.480 --> 0:49:22.640 that l A underground. Do you do you feel do 0:49:22.640 --> 0:49:26.560 you take onto that you inspired that? I believe we 0:49:26.600 --> 0:49:30.520 did because you know, again, beforehand, you know, groups weren't 0:49:30.520 --> 0:49:33.120 getting signed unless they sounded like you know, n w 0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:36.359 A or Compton's Most Wanted or something like that. And 0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:39.880 we sort of changed the dynamic like there's there's something 0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:42.759 else here. And you know, Muggs was a big part 0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:45.160 of that because the style of production he was giving 0:49:45.840 --> 0:49:50.200 ourselves and how sa pain and funk, dubious and and 0:49:50.239 --> 0:49:53.319 you know the inspiration that had on other producers in 0:49:53.600 --> 0:49:55.680 l A like Okay, we don't have to just do this, 0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:58.480 we can do hip hop ship style ship. And I 0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:00.640 think that's where you see the influx, so that style 0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:04.280 production happening in Los Angeles where now there's a balance 0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:07.279 of the gangster rap ship and like hip hop. You know, 0:50:08.280 --> 0:50:10.759 let's now let's talk about the gang culture for a second. Right. 0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:14.040 We all know that that's a heavy part of Los Angeles, right, 0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:17.600 but at the time all we heard was cripts and bloods, Right, 0:50:17.840 --> 0:50:19.600 that's all we heard. We didn't hear about nothing else, 0:50:19.640 --> 0:50:22.560 but now hear you guys come from East Los Angeles. 0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:27.080 It's a whole another side. And then how how was that, like, 0:50:27.280 --> 0:50:30.200 you know, going into that, because I think you got shocked, like, well, yeah, 0:50:31.320 --> 0:50:35.560 the colors or something. No, I banged with bloods and yeah, yeah, 0:50:36.080 --> 0:50:38.880 but you know, we grew up around you know, most 0:50:38.920 --> 0:50:42.600 of uh a lot of homies that that gang bang 0:50:42.760 --> 0:50:45.319 and you know, Latino gangs and stuff like that. I 0:50:45.400 --> 0:50:49.520 just happened to go a different route, and so you know, 0:50:49.600 --> 0:50:51.600 I got caught in the middle of that ship. You know, 0:50:51.680 --> 0:50:54.279 we were in we were in a neighborhood that was 0:50:55.120 --> 0:50:58.120 blood and divided by crip, you know what I mean. 0:50:58.160 --> 0:51:01.399 And anyone that got caught around that area, it could 0:51:01.400 --> 0:51:03.640 pop off at any minute, you know what I'm saying. 0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:07.000 And I got caught with my homies in that in 0:51:07.080 --> 0:51:10.080 that little zone right there, and we got caught off Garden. 0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:12.400 That's when I got popped. But I was I was banging, 0:51:13.160 --> 0:51:17.960 and uh, you know it's you know that when you're banging, 0:51:18.000 --> 0:51:23.120 this is a possibility. So that possibility happened. But you know, 0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:26.120 we did grow up, you know, on the East Side 0:51:26.280 --> 0:51:29.799 it's like considered what southeast or lower East something like 0:51:29.880 --> 0:51:36.520 lower East Side like Southgate, right Linwood, Bells, Bell Gardens 0:51:36.520 --> 0:51:39.960 were must grew up at the East l a Down 0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:41.520 there is the clotin thing, you know what I mean. 0:51:41.520 --> 0:51:44.960 It's Mexican gangs, it's you know, Salvadorian gangs. It's every 0:51:45.200 --> 0:51:47.799 Latino culture gang that there is. They got a gang 0:51:47.840 --> 0:51:49.840 for it, you know what I mean. And it's different 0:51:49.840 --> 0:51:51.640 than bloods and crips, you know what I mean. You 0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:54.080 have different colds everything, and you have to you have 0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:56.920 to know that when you go into those into those areas, 0:51:56.960 --> 0:51:59.000 you know what I mean, because growing up as a 0:51:59.000 --> 0:52:01.440 black Latino, you know what I mean, they didn't know 0:52:01.520 --> 0:52:03.920 what you were. So the first thing they thought was like, 0:52:03.960 --> 0:52:06.520 go kick his ass, you know what I mean. And 0:52:06.560 --> 0:52:09.080 that's that's what we can You're you're from like a 0:52:09.120 --> 0:52:11.640 crip hold or something. Yeah, you know, until they find 0:52:11.640 --> 0:52:17.440 out that I couldn't talk English and ships figured out 0:52:17.480 --> 0:52:19.319 that you're part of them, and you know, but that's 0:52:19.360 --> 0:52:21.160 the that's what we all went through growing up in 0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:24.680 l A. Is. You never know, no, I'm full Cuban, 0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:32.200 continue yeah ye Puerto Rican. Yeah. But and then you 0:52:32.239 --> 0:52:35.800 had to, you know, at some point along the way, 0:52:35.880 --> 0:52:38.040 you have to put your foot in the dirt and say, 0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:40.560 I'm gonna get down with a click because I'm tired 0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:44.719 of being just getting my asswood by everybody that thinks, 0:52:44.840 --> 0:52:46.480 you know, I don't roll with nobody. So you know, 0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:48.359 in fifth grade, I got done with my first click 0:52:48.840 --> 0:52:50.279 and as soon as I did that, like, have the 0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:53.080 bullshit stop, because you gotta roll with somebody. Man, you 0:52:53.120 --> 0:52:57.200 gotta roll with somebody. And that was where. But in 0:52:57.239 --> 0:52:59.640 a lot of places where you know, ship pops off, yeah, 0:53:00.040 --> 0:53:02.319 you gotta click up. And if you don't, you might 0:53:02.360 --> 0:53:06.600 just get recruited, even if you don't want to. If 0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:10.399 you who every day on the way home, they see 0:53:10.400 --> 0:53:13.040 you until you join their game. If they meet you 0:53:13.239 --> 0:53:15.520 and they want you, they're gonna put that you want. 0:53:15.560 --> 0:53:17.359 You want to walk down this block and not get 0:53:17.360 --> 0:53:19.359 fucked with. You're gonna get in this ship over here, 0:53:20.000 --> 0:53:22.840 and and and and rep for the block, you know 0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:24.960 what I mean. It doesn't happen with everybody, but like 0:53:25.000 --> 0:53:28.719 what if they see something and you, yeah, they're gonna 0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:33.719 come recruit and some choose it, some choose it. I don't. 0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:37.040 They ain't got to be there, but they're there because 0:53:37.080 --> 0:53:41.560 they crave that lifestyle. Because, like you know, it's crazy 0:53:41.600 --> 0:53:43.239 for me coming from the East Coast. And I'm sure 0:53:43.360 --> 0:53:46.239 mugs you notice, like um and queens, we have a 0:53:46.239 --> 0:53:49.080 melting pot. So like the Puerto Ricans, the black people, 0:53:49.600 --> 0:53:52.439 the Haitians, the Jamaicans, we all live on the same block. 0:53:52.719 --> 0:54:01.279 It wasn't like till but it wasn't util I kind 0:54:01.280 --> 0:54:04.120 of went to Los Angeles where I realized, like it's 0:54:04.120 --> 0:54:06.640 almost segregated like jail, Like you know what I'm saying, 0:54:06.640 --> 0:54:09.320 Like the do Mexicans is overhead, the Cubans is overhead, 0:54:09.360 --> 0:54:11.480 the Blacks is over here, and I had never seen 0:54:11.560 --> 0:54:17.160 that July I traveled. How is that? It's it's kind 0:54:17.160 --> 0:54:20.360 of crazy that it's it's separated like that. And Callie's 0:54:20.360 --> 0:54:22.720 so big, it's so fucking spread out that you could 0:54:22.760 --> 0:54:26.600 do that where you know, in in places not as 0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:30.080 big of a state, you're sort of mashed together like 0:54:30.120 --> 0:54:33.319 the melting pot, as they say, right, so you know 0:54:33.640 --> 0:54:36.719 you have that chance to to click up and and 0:54:36.760 --> 0:54:39.200 be unto yourself if that's what you're choosing, a lot 0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:43.680 of motherfucker's doing ship. I remember when we were like 0:54:44.640 --> 0:54:46.720 this ship was a hobby to us and we weren't 0:54:46.719 --> 0:54:50.800 even seriously doing demos yet. We'd go to different parties 0:54:50.800 --> 0:54:52.520 and one of them that remember, we go to the 0:54:52.560 --> 0:54:55.960 Cuban parties in Southgate at this place called the Ogi 0:54:56.040 --> 0:55:10.080 Nettle right everything, Yeah, family moved them and it was 0:55:10.120 --> 0:55:12.680 crazy because everybody was clicked up, clicked up there. We 0:55:12.760 --> 0:55:14.960 have a lifelong friend and one of our boys that 0:55:15.120 --> 0:55:17.839 rides with the Cypress Hillbillies with Send Dog the bike 0:55:17.880 --> 0:55:20.239 club and stuff. He grew up with us and him 0:55:20.280 --> 0:55:22.479 and his wife used to go to the spot until 0:55:22.560 --> 0:55:26.399 we get invited through them sometimes to go to these 0:55:26.400 --> 0:55:28.919 fucking to go to the organettal and the minute we'd 0:55:28.920 --> 0:55:30.880 show up, man, they'd be looking at us like what 0:55:30.920 --> 0:55:34.319 the funk are y'all doing here? Like that's how clicked up? 0:55:34.960 --> 0:55:37.960 We weren't that click We didn't look the way they did. 0:55:38.000 --> 0:55:41.120 We weren't. We didn't look Cuban and the way they 0:55:41.160 --> 0:55:43.880 did because they were trying to get maintain that tradition. 0:55:43.920 --> 0:55:46.240 That's what that's what those types of social closes before 0:55:46.520 --> 0:55:53.640 I looked like something ounce like you know yeah yeah yeah, 0:55:54.400 --> 0:55:57.200 like thugs and you know, everybody's all nice and ship, 0:55:57.280 --> 0:56:01.719 and so yeah, you know, and so it's it's very 0:56:01.800 --> 0:56:05.120 much like that. You can go to another neighborhood party 0:56:05.160 --> 0:56:07.160 and it might be all Mexicans. The minute, you know, 0:56:07.280 --> 0:56:10.920 sind Dog shows until he starts talking, they might be 0:56:10.960 --> 0:56:13.160 giving him a crazy look, but then when they hear 0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:15.960 him talk, it's all ship. What's up? Poems? You know 0:56:16.160 --> 0:56:19.720 that accepted? You know what I'm saying, it's it's crazy 0:56:19.800 --> 0:56:30.920 like that. We know the influences that that came and 0:56:31.080 --> 0:56:33.279 must bringing a lot of influence from and why but 0:56:33.840 --> 0:56:37.279 any local l A influences like was Frost or any 0:56:37.280 --> 0:56:40.279 other guys were doing it locally influencing you guys. I mean, 0:56:40.360 --> 0:56:41.840 they didn't influence me, but I was a fan of 0:56:41.880 --> 0:56:44.840 there's like the the l A Dream Team and ship 0:56:44.920 --> 0:56:48.680 like that, but it was a rock Berry or rock Ja, yeah, 0:56:48.719 --> 0:56:51.239 you know. And there was other guys too, like Egyptian Lover. 0:56:51.600 --> 0:56:53.840 They did. All the guys that were on the radio, 0:56:53.840 --> 0:56:56.920 and that first wave of of eighties hip hop, you know, 0:56:57.040 --> 0:56:59.440 left their mark for the next generation to cling onto 0:56:59.440 --> 0:57:02.680 and and come up. And that's where that's where I 0:57:02.800 --> 0:57:06.279 really started paying attention to is during that era. And 0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:10.440 there was also other cats to involved, like King T 0:57:10.719 --> 0:57:13.120 was actually before us, you know what I mean, he 0:57:13.239 --> 0:57:16.000 was before us. Said he always had his polished down 0:57:16.080 --> 0:57:19.040 style with it, you know, with a certain sample whatever, 0:57:19.440 --> 0:57:21.320 and it signed in the pocket all the time. And 0:57:21.360 --> 0:57:24.080 that was King T. You know when he brought a record, 0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:26.960 it was gonna be Everything's gonna be nice. Was the 0:57:27.000 --> 0:57:29.240 first l A rapper I heard that when I was like, 0:57:29.360 --> 0:57:32.760 oh Ship, Yeah, before that, it was like everybody was 0:57:32.760 --> 0:57:34.920 trying to make plane of rock records, you know what 0:57:35.000 --> 0:57:40.320 I mean. This album cover of him falling down the 0:57:40.360 --> 0:57:44.120 alley with the sawtof shotgun, remember right, that ship was 0:57:44.160 --> 0:57:48.760 ill right for sure. He was definitely like an influence 0:57:48.800 --> 0:57:50.760 in w A two, you know what I mean, They're like, 0:57:51.160 --> 0:57:55.680 how could they not be slapping it? Cub Yeah, Cube 0:57:55.720 --> 0:57:58.560 was you know, beast like you know, they all work, 0:57:58.680 --> 0:58:00.920 you know what I mean, They all had something different 0:58:01.080 --> 0:58:05.640 and that always motivated us throughout that whole time. We 0:58:05.640 --> 0:58:08.840 were just around the scene in the circuit kind of 0:58:08.880 --> 0:58:11.360 like you know, with my brother hanging being sign a 0:58:11.400 --> 0:58:14.520 Delicious vinyl and you know we saw Tom Loke spring 0:58:14.600 --> 0:58:16.920 up and jump off and do his thing, and then 0:58:16.960 --> 0:58:19.280 Young MC and all that ship. So we were right 0:58:19.320 --> 0:58:21.760 there in the environment. We were always you know, huddled 0:58:21.760 --> 0:58:24.920 around it. So it was only you know, in my opinion, 0:58:25.040 --> 0:58:27.280 only a matter of time before we got a chance 0:58:27.320 --> 0:58:29.360 to do our thing. I mean, because we were we 0:58:29.360 --> 0:58:33.240 were always right there, so it just it just from there. 0:58:33.480 --> 0:58:37.280 Iced Tea wasn't influenced to next question. Well, next question 0:58:37.400 --> 0:58:40.120 was was iced Tea said, you sound like crazy Mexicans 0:58:40.160 --> 0:58:47.160 on dope. He said something Angel does something Angel. I 0:58:47.280 --> 0:58:52.200 actually it's dope. The guys that sound like Mexican dudes 0:58:52.240 --> 0:59:07.440 on angels, but the angel doesn't. Oh yeah, described that 0:59:08.120 --> 0:59:13.680 we encountered many motherfuckers on it because oh yeah, you 0:59:13.680 --> 0:59:16.240 would see motherfucker's like freak the funk out on it. 0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:20.320 Um and in the membrane. I ain't gonna I would 0:59:20.360 --> 0:59:22.840 have thought you was too. I'm not gonna lie. We 0:59:22.840 --> 0:59:26.120 were just crazy naturally, you know what I mean. I 0:59:26.160 --> 0:59:29.320 say that, Um, I just think because of the way 0:59:29.320 --> 0:59:31.440 we sounded, we didn't sound like anything in l A. 0:59:31.600 --> 0:59:35.600 Even like the dynamic of our voices. My ship was 0:59:35.640 --> 0:59:38.920 crazy high pitched and a different style. It wasn't necessarily 0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:44.920 an l A based style, and my sound was was different. Um. 0:59:45.000 --> 0:59:47.880 And with send doing the psycho beta voice, which is 0:59:47.920 --> 0:59:50.800 the who all that on top of it. It was 0:59:50.880 --> 0:59:56.200 just I think that's where where's he's referencing, just because 0:59:56.200 --> 0:59:58.800 of the sound. The tones were different. Started like chucking 0:59:58.880 --> 1:00:01.960 flav you know what I'm saying. It made sense when 1:00:01.960 --> 1:00:03.960 he described it that way, like I understood what he 1:00:04.000 --> 1:00:06.240 was hearing. What made him for hearing it for the 1:00:06.280 --> 1:00:08.640 first time, what it would sound like to him? What 1:00:08.800 --> 1:00:17.400 angel us? No, just like my tripping. Yeah, that's crazy, 1:00:17.480 --> 1:00:21.160 that's crazy, because I mean it was big back then. 1:00:21.240 --> 1:00:24.240 It was it was huge back there. Um so Sin 1:00:25.840 --> 1:00:30.640 you're in a biker gang. No, man, there's no biker 1:00:30.760 --> 1:00:33.800 gang at all. There's that's just following. You didn't even 1:00:33.840 --> 1:00:43.880 describe it like that club. Yeah, you sound like you 1:00:43.920 --> 1:00:50.480 work for the government. Because I seen it, I was, 1:00:50.600 --> 1:00:58.600 I was bull like, so I just getting part of 1:00:58.600 --> 1:01:01.920 that culture. I didn't do it back in the I 1:01:01.960 --> 1:01:04.360 bought my first bike in like ninety five or something 1:01:04.360 --> 1:01:07.040 like that, right, and that that was like a cross 1:01:07.120 --> 1:01:10.640 rocket Honda, And that led me to Harley Davidson's you know, 1:01:10.640 --> 1:01:13.280 scooters or whatever. And then now I'm sponsored by the 1:01:13.320 --> 1:01:18.200 Indian Motorcycle Company, right, so, and I just got into it, 1:01:18.800 --> 1:01:21.640 and uh, one day I had got all my friends 1:01:21.680 --> 1:01:24.720 into it, and we had like about nine or ten 1:01:24.760 --> 1:01:26.880 of us. They were all, you don't have bikes, and 1:01:27.080 --> 1:01:28.360 so I was like, man, why don't we make a 1:01:28.360 --> 1:01:31.240 little patch. And I've never been about, you know, joining 1:01:31.280 --> 1:01:33.960 anybody's army. I've always been one of the couple guy 1:01:34.000 --> 1:01:37.040 to start my own things. So I started my own thing. 1:01:37.400 --> 1:01:45.400 Yeah for silbilies, Yeah yeah, right, yeah yeah. But Young 1:01:45.520 --> 1:01:48.320 Rock across country we have. Man, we've done a long 1:01:48.360 --> 1:01:50.400 distance rides and ship like that, and it's you know, 1:01:50.480 --> 1:01:52.800 it's depending on what time of year you go on. 1:01:53.520 --> 1:01:55.400 Is you know what kind of whooping you're gonna take 1:01:55.400 --> 1:01:57.800 on that bike? So what what's the longest distance you're 1:01:57.800 --> 1:02:02.480 wing me personally to Arizona from California from where I 1:02:02.480 --> 1:02:07.320 lived in Cali all the way to Arizona. Who's counting? 1:02:07.360 --> 1:02:11.440 You know? Okay, I'm just along to it. I'm on 1:02:11.440 --> 1:02:13.560 the right until we get there, you know, and then 1:02:13.600 --> 1:02:15.880 well well well when we get there, then you know, 1:02:16.400 --> 1:02:18.240 then we meet up with other bike clubs and then 1:02:18.640 --> 1:02:20.280 go to the rally that they invited us to and 1:02:20.280 --> 1:02:22.760 ship like that. Now this is what navigation or you 1:02:22.800 --> 1:02:25.280 did this without navigation. Now, my road captain will have 1:02:25.320 --> 1:02:29.120 the navigation. Right, the captain words, I don't know what 1:02:31.240 --> 1:02:34.240 ye positioning man, you know, and then and then we 1:02:34.400 --> 1:02:37.120 rolled out. That's what it is. The road captain is 1:02:37.160 --> 1:02:41.520 the guy who's who's orchestrating their movements as they're rolling 1:02:42.920 --> 1:02:46.080 the parade going through. No GPS, no GPS. Well he 1:02:46.160 --> 1:02:49.760 might have GPS, GPS now, but he's coordinating everybody's I 1:02:49.800 --> 1:02:52.200 feel more comfortable if he has his GPS thing going 1:02:54.120 --> 1:03:00.040 basically basically basically following with him, right, one of I 1:03:00.120 --> 1:03:02.880 don't know, Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, he has the coordinates, 1:03:02.920 --> 1:03:05.120 you know what I mean. So we roll out and 1:03:05.120 --> 1:03:08.760 and uh and whatever happens happens, you know. But it's 1:03:08.840 --> 1:03:11.360 it's his responsibility to make sure that we get to 1:03:11.440 --> 1:03:14.320 the spot we're supposed to get to. So that's it. 1:03:15.320 --> 1:03:16.960 And if he sucks up, they leave him with the 1:03:16.960 --> 1:03:20.959 scooter and he's got to get back by himself. Yeah, 1:03:21.000 --> 1:03:32.600 and there, right, if you fuck it up, you leave 1:03:32.680 --> 1:03:35.600 him with the scooter, and however you keep getting back 1:03:36.120 --> 1:03:38.480 if you say something. Now, I'm just gonna say. The 1:03:38.480 --> 1:03:41.520 funnest thing about it is actually when you complete the journey, 1:03:41.960 --> 1:03:43.760 you know what I mean because it's the physical thing. 1:03:43.800 --> 1:03:45.919 You're on the you're on the machine. It's a physical thing. 1:03:46.560 --> 1:03:49.000 And when you do it and come back and there's 1:03:49.160 --> 1:03:53.200 there's a you kind of feel like you went through 1:03:53.200 --> 1:03:56.760 a kind of threshold kind of thing and completed something, 1:03:56.760 --> 1:03:58.520 you know what I mean. It's kind of weird feeling 1:03:58.560 --> 1:04:05.440 like that on Wednesdays women flash you about Wednesdays. We 1:04:05.520 --> 1:04:14.480 don't know that's a real thing, like you know, like 1:04:14.800 --> 1:04:21.280 bacon No, I mean, I'm not sure what do you mean? 1:04:21.400 --> 1:04:28.720 Like girls do it alright? When I can take you 1:04:28.760 --> 1:04:31.720 to that spot if you like, I know where it's 1:04:31.720 --> 1:04:38.760 sad that would cause a lot of accidents. Pop, yeah, 1:04:38.920 --> 1:04:44.720 you want about your right. It's just just he got 1:04:44.800 --> 1:04:47.720 into it. I don't remember when they both first bought 1:04:48.120 --> 1:04:52.200 their bikes, like because Mugs bought one and Send bought 1:04:52.240 --> 1:04:55.360 one and a few guys from our crew, and you know, 1:04:55.440 --> 1:04:57.840 they got them crotch rockets. I was like, man, y'all 1:04:57.880 --> 1:05:01.000 are crazy, you know. I I used to ride dirt 1:05:01.080 --> 1:05:03.400 bikes as a very young kid, and that you know, 1:05:03.480 --> 1:05:06.400 it just wasn't my thing. I got into low riders, 1:05:06.520 --> 1:05:08.480 so you know, if it ain't a low low, I 1:05:08.560 --> 1:05:11.800 don't go go, you know what I'm saying. Holy, So 1:05:11.920 --> 1:05:18.520 how is it being the only Puerto Rican It's all, 1:05:18.640 --> 1:05:21.080 It's all of you know, Puerto Ricans and Cubans, they 1:05:21.200 --> 1:05:23.280 kind of all blend together, you know what I mean. 1:05:23.440 --> 1:05:26.720 I mean, you know where I was born. I was 1:05:26.760 --> 1:05:35.040 born in Hollis, Queens. Just make some money. It was 1:05:35.160 --> 1:05:39.160 always you know, my mom's best friend was Cuban and everything. 1:05:39.240 --> 1:05:42.480 And you know my dad. Yeah, dad is a super legend. Yeah, 1:05:42.680 --> 1:05:44.800 you know, so it was it was always loved, you know, 1:05:45.040 --> 1:05:48.080 so you know I felt right at home. Is that 1:05:48.160 --> 1:05:51.560 how you found up a music scene and your dad? Yeah? Yeah, 1:05:52.160 --> 1:05:54.200 I started with him. You know, I was five years 1:05:54.200 --> 1:05:56.880 old my first gig. You know what, time out? Wait 1:05:56.880 --> 1:05:58.600 a minute? What then? Did you just say I was 1:05:58.720 --> 1:06:01.760 five years old? It was It was in the documentary. 1:06:02.760 --> 1:06:05.200 It was crazy. Yeah, so you know my dad put 1:06:05.280 --> 1:06:10.280 me updates. No, no, I didn't heard it all. You know, 1:06:10.640 --> 1:06:12.640 Dad just put me up there. You know. I was 1:06:13.120 --> 1:06:15.280 playing on the pots and pans, you know, before I 1:06:15.320 --> 1:06:19.320 can even speak. So you know, my dad recognized, you know, 1:06:19.600 --> 1:06:22.560 the I had a rhythm, So put me up there. 1:06:22.600 --> 1:06:24.840 And then I was doing gigs with him till he 1:06:24.960 --> 1:06:28.040 passed away I was fifteen, and then I took over 1:06:28.160 --> 1:06:31.240 his band, doing the Latin jazz thing, you know, playing 1:06:31.360 --> 1:06:34.840 Latin jazz festivals and Playboy Jazz festivals, monitorate jazz festival, 1:06:35.320 --> 1:06:38.680 keeping keeping that music alive, you know, But that I 1:06:38.920 --> 1:06:41.040 always love hip hop, you know what I mean? And 1:06:41.920 --> 1:06:44.040 you know, you know the early hip hop always had like, 1:06:44.680 --> 1:06:46.680 you know, percussion in it. You know the year like 1:06:47.200 --> 1:06:50.600 you know, Grand Mass Flash and you know all that stuff. 1:06:51.120 --> 1:06:53.920 So it was, it was there. So I knew that 1:06:54.040 --> 1:06:55.680 this was something that I wanted to do. And then 1:06:57.000 --> 1:07:00.680 you know, Shi just came for me, you know what 1:07:00.720 --> 1:07:04.040 I mean. That's that's beautiful. What made you want to 1:07:04.040 --> 1:07:09.280 add um? Yeah to to. I saw him one day 1:07:09.360 --> 1:07:13.240 playing with the Beastie Boys, right, and I was like, man, 1:07:13.320 --> 1:07:19.080 he'd be he sounds really cool playing with us. So 1:07:19.200 --> 1:07:21.120 I invited him to a show he was doing at 1:07:21.160 --> 1:07:25.120 a at El Camino College because my little sister went there, 1:07:25.640 --> 1:07:29.400 and the Latino Studies people hit me up like okay, cool, 1:07:29.440 --> 1:07:31.240 we'll do that show for you guys. And then but 1:07:31.360 --> 1:07:34.439 I also invited him and you told me you played 1:07:34.480 --> 1:07:39.960 on one song. I remember him being there the whole show, right, 1:07:40.040 --> 1:07:42.520 But that's where I first saw him with the Beasts, 1:07:42.560 --> 1:07:45.600 and uh and I was like, I gotta I love 1:07:45.720 --> 1:07:47.680 to hear how he would sound with us, with our sound, 1:07:47.760 --> 1:07:51.360 with Muggs's production and be Real's vocals and and what 1:07:51.480 --> 1:07:55.040 I was doing with my secondary vocal. I just had 1:07:55.040 --> 1:07:57.200 a feeling that they would work, you know, and it 1:07:58.240 --> 1:08:01.479 did something to this day sounds right was it real estate? 1:08:02.400 --> 1:08:06.520 H No, it was Latin lingo. I mean already had 1:08:06.680 --> 1:08:09.240 like some you know what I mean. So that's why 1:08:09.280 --> 1:08:11.760 I gravitated to it, because I'm like, damn, you know, 1:08:12.080 --> 1:08:15.160 that's for cushion in this. I can do this. I 1:08:15.240 --> 1:08:18.000 already knew because best boys they were, you know, tinkering 1:08:18.040 --> 1:08:21.280 around a little bit with you know, Latin sounds, but 1:08:21.840 --> 1:08:25.040 they weren't Latino, you know. But with Cypress, it was 1:08:25.080 --> 1:08:28.000 a whole different thing. He was writing in Spanish, so 1:08:28.280 --> 1:08:31.000 I felt at home. When they came to you, to say, 1:08:31.360 --> 1:08:33.439 leave the Beasts and coming to us, it was a 1:08:33.479 --> 1:08:36.200 no brain or you had to think about it. Uh No, 1:08:36.400 --> 1:08:51.639 it was story. Story was like approached like that, like right, yeah, yeah, 1:08:51.640 --> 1:08:55.200 I think so. But at least I folutely poached him. 1:08:55.200 --> 1:08:59.840 But at least what happened was you know what I mean. 1:09:00.280 --> 1:09:02.240 For about two and a half three years, I was 1:09:02.320 --> 1:09:05.360 flip flopping. I was doing world tours with BCS and 1:09:05.479 --> 1:09:07.920 then I go on with Cypress. It was going back 1:09:07.960 --> 1:09:11.519 and forth up until Woodstock. What Stock ninety four, just 1:09:11.520 --> 1:09:12.920 getting a lot of pussy to just make some noise. 1:09:17.600 --> 1:09:25.080 Really in my notes that's next. So you know. Originally, 1:09:25.280 --> 1:09:27.200 originally Sypence was going to play on the Sunday and 1:09:27.240 --> 1:09:28.720 that was my day off. I was doing all the 1:09:28.720 --> 1:09:31.400 pollutes at ninety four with bect Boys, and somehow it 1:09:31.479 --> 1:09:36.640 got changed to Saturday. So I was like back and forth, Man, 1:09:36.680 --> 1:09:38.160 should I go away? And what am I gonna do? 1:09:38.240 --> 1:09:41.840 And everything like that. My mom last minute, she says, oh, 1:09:42.160 --> 1:09:45.880 you better go to Woodstock. That's that's that's a big thing. 1:09:46.000 --> 1:09:47.800 That's the biggest thing right there. So I left the 1:09:47.880 --> 1:09:49.599 note for Mike d I put it under this door 1:09:50.479 --> 1:09:53.160 like about three o'clock in the morning and said, I'm 1:09:53.200 --> 1:09:56.320 going to Woodstock. I'll be back for the show. And 1:09:56.600 --> 1:10:01.559 uh so I I did that. I didn't tell nobody. 1:10:02.200 --> 1:10:05.240 So then I flew to to to Woodstock. We did 1:10:05.360 --> 1:10:07.920 the show. I couldn't get out because it started raining 1:10:07.920 --> 1:10:15.720 and ship. So I was stuck everything and I had 1:10:15.760 --> 1:10:18.160 to I had to fly here to Miami after that, 1:10:19.000 --> 1:10:23.639 and uh, to a manager was all piste off, but well, 1:10:23.720 --> 1:10:26.599 we need to talk to you. You shouldn't have left us. 1:10:27.080 --> 1:10:34.560 It was very bad, all this kind of ship. He 1:10:34.680 --> 1:10:38.200 was the tour manager way back went for Ozzy Osborne, 1:10:38.479 --> 1:10:43.439 this guy right, all right, So the guys that go 1:10:43.439 --> 1:10:45.360 ahead and talk to me. You know everything I did 1:10:45.400 --> 1:10:48.360 I figured about ship. If I get fired from this gig, 1:10:48.840 --> 1:10:52.600 I got another one, you know. So they let me. 1:10:52.760 --> 1:10:55.080 They let me slide. You know, they said wood Stock 1:10:55.160 --> 1:10:56.880 is you know, that was a big thing. But you know, 1:10:56.960 --> 1:10:59.080 let us know said shift I did. I left to 1:10:59.120 --> 1:11:04.360 know that, you know, but yeah, that was that was 1:11:04.400 --> 1:11:06.439 a wild thing. And then that was, you know, really 1:11:06.520 --> 1:11:09.920 the beginning of me really being part of the crew. 1:11:15.000 --> 1:11:19.720 Where was the moment, because I mean, to us, I mean, 1:11:19.840 --> 1:11:23.479 it's hardcore hip hop, but the craziest ship about making 1:11:24.160 --> 1:11:27.439 someone making someone making the hardest care hardcore hip hop. 1:11:27.560 --> 1:11:31.280 It crosses over like I could never see DMX ever 1:11:31.360 --> 1:11:35.519 be in commercially. But he's like, where was the moment 1:11:35.560 --> 1:11:38.040 that y'all starting to realize that that is happening? To y'all. 1:11:39.600 --> 1:11:41.800 You know it's I don't know, but it's that energy. 1:11:42.120 --> 1:11:44.200 When you got that energy, that rock and roll energy, 1:11:44.280 --> 1:11:46.280 you know what I mean that she translates across them 1:11:46.360 --> 1:11:51.880 festivals and you get groups like Public Enemy, Cypress, Hill Run, DMC, 1:11:52.320 --> 1:11:55.840 you know what I mean, never cross over because the energy, 1:11:58.520 --> 1:12:00.560 it's like that's that ship, that's how like, that's that 1:12:00.720 --> 1:12:02.720 energy they like. But what was the moment that that 1:12:03.040 --> 1:12:05.599 y'all was like, Wow, this is really it? The festivals 1:12:05.640 --> 1:12:08.280 like those people, I think I think it was it 1:12:08.439 --> 1:12:11.759 was the Woodstock festivals. You know, it was five thousands, 1:12:12.120 --> 1:12:17.280 five hundred thousands, it was five hundred thousand that it 1:12:17.360 --> 1:12:24.320 was about four eighty four close to five. I don't 1:12:24.320 --> 1:12:31.479 even be real without being I respect that, but hold on, 1:12:31.800 --> 1:12:34.160 do you get the call? And it now has to 1:12:34.240 --> 1:12:37.479 hip hop? Been on with Stock prior to this? No no, no, 1:12:37.760 --> 1:12:40.280 not in the first Okay yeah, well Salting Pep was 1:12:40.360 --> 1:12:45.160 on it too. They was on different stage, different stage. Yeah, 1:12:45.479 --> 1:12:47.960 but it was it was around that time that you know, 1:12:48.160 --> 1:12:51.920 like that hit because of the odds won't be a back. Well, 1:12:56.360 --> 1:12:58.880 it was crazy as it like it hit me in 1:12:59.000 --> 1:13:01.639 that moment at it started because when we got invited 1:13:01.680 --> 1:13:04.599 to that and then seeing like the ocean of fucking 1:13:04.840 --> 1:13:08.880 people bouncing to our ship and when how I how 1:13:08.960 --> 1:13:11.360 I could just kill a man? Comes on they go 1:13:12.320 --> 1:13:14.240 and it's and it's crazy, you know what I mean, 1:13:14.479 --> 1:13:17.240 And that that sort of when it hit like because 1:13:17.400 --> 1:13:19.320 I mean, you know, previous to that, we had played 1:13:19.400 --> 1:13:23.080 sizeable festivals and stuff like that, but nothing that that big. 1:13:23.200 --> 1:13:28.360 And to see yeah, was so big we had you 1:13:28.400 --> 1:13:30.600 couldn't drive into the show. We had to get a 1:13:30.640 --> 1:13:34.719 hotel this other state, right, getting a helicopter and flying 1:13:34.800 --> 1:13:38.120 to the show. And yeah, because because it was like 1:13:39.240 --> 1:13:42.080 traffic jam, well no, the roadways turned into a fucking 1:13:42.120 --> 1:13:44.240 parking lot, like for real. People just got out of 1:13:44.240 --> 1:13:46.720 their car, fucking walked it and left their ship where 1:13:46.720 --> 1:13:50.320 they left it. It was like in the sixties, yeah, 1:13:50.640 --> 1:13:55.120 you know, so yeah, yeah, and some some went in 1:13:55.240 --> 1:13:58.040 on boat. You know, you had to go where the 1:13:58.120 --> 1:14:01.840 fucking the boat was and voted in or you helicoptered in. 1:14:02.320 --> 1:14:04.519 That was only two ways in for artists and that 1:14:04.920 --> 1:14:07.400 was wild man, just to see all them people that's 1:14:07.439 --> 1:14:09.519 over there, like it was, it was nuts. Yeah, we 1:14:09.640 --> 1:14:12.439 came in on a helicopter and then they say, you 1:14:12.600 --> 1:14:14.240 gotta go straight to the stage or how does it happen? 1:14:14.320 --> 1:14:16.920 And we were there for what forty minutes before we 1:14:17.560 --> 1:14:20.040 went on, maybe in a little bit longer hour and 1:14:20.080 --> 1:14:23.519 a half. Yeah, yeah it was. When we got off stage, 1:14:23.600 --> 1:14:25.760 there was everything. They kicked us right the funk out there, 1:14:25.760 --> 1:14:28.080 like we gotta make room for the next band flying in. 1:14:28.320 --> 1:14:31.360 So it's not like, yeah, we killed it. I lost 1:14:31.400 --> 1:14:35.000 my shoes in socks on that show. I didn't bet 1:14:35.040 --> 1:14:37.760 on nothing but us to win, and I lost my 1:14:37.880 --> 1:14:40.240 shoes in socks. How do you lose your shoes and 1:14:40.240 --> 1:14:42.880 s okay? So me and send or send a nine 1:14:42.920 --> 1:14:47.000 for proper Grammar's sake. We you know, from the Beastie 1:14:47.040 --> 1:14:49.840 Boys shows, we were, you know, jumping in the crowd 1:14:49.920 --> 1:14:53.479 and that became a thing us stage diving and doing 1:14:53.560 --> 1:14:56.040 that that ship. We did it for a very long time, 1:14:56.880 --> 1:14:59.240 but it was new to us then, and you know, 1:14:59.400 --> 1:15:01.479 would Stock seemed like the place to do it. So 1:15:01.680 --> 1:15:04.400 I go in. I get ravaged, my fucking shirts getting 1:15:04.439 --> 1:15:07.560 pulled this way that way the crowd. Yeah, I jumped in. 1:15:07.680 --> 1:15:10.320 We both jumped in the crowd. I had to grab 1:15:10.479 --> 1:15:13.120 my my collar so that I didn't get choked out 1:15:13.200 --> 1:15:15.840 by my t shirt getting pulled this way and do 1:15:16.000 --> 1:15:18.240 the song because like we never stopped doing the song. 1:15:18.360 --> 1:15:22.320 We always finish, you know what I'm saying. And as 1:15:22.400 --> 1:15:26.080 I'm as we're doing the song, first shoot comes off, 1:15:26.800 --> 1:15:32.120 second shoot comes off, suck comes off. They literally got 1:15:32.320 --> 1:15:42.240 like they pulled it right to funk out and where 1:15:42.360 --> 1:15:45.719 is that right now? And then I was little Bay. 1:15:50.840 --> 1:15:54.000 It was in my person score and I came back 1:15:54.120 --> 1:15:56.720 on stage and you know, I was barefooted. I was 1:15:56.760 --> 1:15:58.280 like a hippie up there, you know what I'm saying, 1:15:58.360 --> 1:16:01.120 trying to do his hip hop ship. Um. But it 1:16:01.240 --> 1:16:03.360 happened on the last song because we finished with we 1:16:03.439 --> 1:16:05.479 Ain't going out like that. That was our finisher for 1:16:05.600 --> 1:16:09.599 a long time. Um, and at that point it was new. 1:16:09.680 --> 1:16:11.400 But like, you know, so that was the last song. 1:16:11.520 --> 1:16:13.639 I get up on stage. I don't know, I'm asking 1:16:13.760 --> 1:16:16.240 for my ship back. Ain't no one throwing my ship back. 1:16:16.600 --> 1:16:20.559 But years later on on on another tour, I shipped 1:16:21.040 --> 1:16:25.800 I came across one shoe right I'm on because from 1:16:25.840 --> 1:16:29.160 that same show, No, for like years later, like ten 1:16:29.280 --> 1:16:32.760 years later, we're on a tour somewhere with I don't 1:16:32.760 --> 1:16:35.280 know if it's uh, it's probably further than ten years. 1:16:35.320 --> 1:16:38.439 But it was either with three eleven or Sublime with 1:16:38.680 --> 1:16:41.120 Rome or slightly stupid. One of those three tours we 1:16:41.200 --> 1:16:44.599 did with those guys, one fan comes up and says, hey, yo, 1:16:45.439 --> 1:16:47.680 this is the shoe for Woodstock. Would you sign it? 1:16:47.840 --> 1:16:49.680 This is what I was a little saying that, and 1:16:49.800 --> 1:16:52.360 I'm like, cool, it was my left shot, and so 1:16:52.479 --> 1:16:56.920 I fucking signed it, right, get on. About another year later, 1:16:57.040 --> 1:16:58.760 I'm on and we're on another tour. I might have 1:16:58.840 --> 1:17:01.639 been with profits that just right, got the right show. 1:17:01.680 --> 1:17:11.120 He goes, Yo, man, what's the same what's't the same person? 1:17:11.439 --> 1:17:13.800 Two different people. I never got the socks though, so 1:17:15.240 --> 1:17:23.120 we're looking for the socks and holy ship saying now, 1:17:23.200 --> 1:17:25.880 you guys were also the first rappers with a Hollywood 1:17:25.960 --> 1:17:29.200 Hawk Walk of Fame sign because Colin is getting his 1:17:30.960 --> 1:17:34.200 Monday yeah, And I was thinking, like, how how far 1:17:34.320 --> 1:17:37.240 as hip hop came? And then I'm looking at the 1:17:37.320 --> 1:17:40.000 documentary on like the first hip hop group they ever 1:17:40.160 --> 1:17:43.920 gave one too? It's you guys, Yeah, like Robert de Niro, 1:17:44.320 --> 1:17:49.880 Marilyn Monroe, Cypress Hill. Right, So I'll tell you what 1:17:50.280 --> 1:17:53.280 you went too fast when you just say Hollywood Boulevard, 1:17:55.600 --> 1:18:01.840 Cypress Hill, let's make no noise for that. Wrong. But 1:18:02.800 --> 1:18:05.680 right there, how does it feel? It's crazy because you know, 1:18:05.800 --> 1:18:10.400 we'll get tagged in in pictures of fans going to 1:18:10.600 --> 1:18:13.840 the Star and like you know, smoking up or leaving 1:18:13.960 --> 1:18:17.479 some weed right there and taking pictures and all that ship, 1:18:18.160 --> 1:18:25.760 some stars toys on them through that stay wrong, I 1:18:25.840 --> 1:18:28.680 see them boy down Trump ship holes. You see what 1:18:28.760 --> 1:18:30.360 they were doing, a dumb Trump ship at one point 1:18:30.439 --> 1:18:37.880 any day, they don't VOLI they put weed, They celebrated, 1:18:38.000 --> 1:18:41.840 you know, like Stoner's you know, and and yeah, we 1:18:41.920 --> 1:18:43.920 get we get tagged on in a lot, and it's 1:18:43.960 --> 1:18:46.240 cool because it's something I know ain't none of us 1:18:46.360 --> 1:18:48.800 ever talked about or expected. That was just because I 1:18:48.840 --> 1:18:52.120 don't think it's artists we come in expecting to achieve 1:18:52.240 --> 1:18:56.160 these acts. We're just doing what we're passionate about and 1:18:56.280 --> 1:18:59.120 trying to win at it, and everything else is an extra. 1:18:59.280 --> 1:19:01.680 So when they came to us with that ship, I 1:19:01.800 --> 1:19:05.840 was like, oh wow, really it's crazy, you know, I 1:19:05.920 --> 1:19:08.519 mean for years just walking those streets, just you know, 1:19:09.120 --> 1:19:11.679 casually you can see and then all of a sudden 1:19:12.240 --> 1:19:15.600 to have one that's that's something else. I mean to 1:19:15.640 --> 1:19:19.519 see that journey from killer Man to probably be like 1:19:19.640 --> 1:19:21.640 this is just a dope street record, you know. We 1:19:21.720 --> 1:19:23.439 just want to do it for for hip hop, for 1:19:23.479 --> 1:19:27.519 the culture too, doing these festivals and then and then 1:19:27.600 --> 1:19:33.920 the Hollywood start that's gotta be. It was in Yeah, 1:19:34.000 --> 1:19:38.920 we were all ston everybody smoking to this time to 1:19:38.960 --> 1:19:42.200 go on. You know what it was you started smoking 1:19:42.680 --> 1:19:45.760 about it? You know, yeah, I thought about it, but 1:19:45.840 --> 1:19:48.560 I knew there was kids there and at that and 1:19:48.640 --> 1:19:51.880 my daughter was there, so I don't want um. But 1:19:52.840 --> 1:19:56.800 you know, the cool ship was not not the The 1:19:56.920 --> 1:19:58.720 star in itself was cool, you know what I mean. 1:19:58.800 --> 1:20:01.400 But the fans that show up to celebrate it with us, 1:20:01.960 --> 1:20:05.519 that was because you know, some star celebrations not many 1:20:05.600 --> 1:20:07.640 people show up, and you know, it depends on who 1:20:07.720 --> 1:20:10.080 it is, and you celebrate your star and it's all 1:20:10.120 --> 1:20:13.679 good and then it's sucking over, right. But we had 1:20:14.240 --> 1:20:16.640 a lot of our fans there that I did not 1:20:16.800 --> 1:20:19.479 expect show up and celebrate that with us, and that 1:20:19.760 --> 1:20:22.280 meant everything. That kind of meant more than the star 1:20:23.760 --> 1:20:26.840 now for nothing. You know, we we buried some weed 1:20:26.920 --> 1:20:30.639 under that star. Mm hmm. Fine. I would never thought 1:20:32.880 --> 1:20:37.800 that's whoever blessed. Don't go try to you don't because 1:20:37.840 --> 1:20:42.280 it's not good anymore. Just in spirit there. Well, you 1:20:42.320 --> 1:20:44.439 know what I want to tell you again, congratulations on that. 1:20:48.680 --> 1:20:52.040 That's just it's a legacy that you're kids and grandkids 1:20:52.200 --> 1:20:55.040 continue to see you visit every whenever they want to, 1:20:55.200 --> 1:20:59.240 you know what I mean. The monument there great granddaddy, 1:20:59.320 --> 1:21:01.320 did you know gonna be same, you know, a long 1:21:01.400 --> 1:21:07.719 time from now. And you know now who's Matt Mike Miller. 1:21:08.520 --> 1:21:12.040 Mike Miller was the photographer that um took the shots 1:21:12.160 --> 1:21:14.880 for the first album, so he didn't film the whole 1:21:14.920 --> 1:21:18.599 album cover. Yeah, like all those shots in that time. 1:21:18.920 --> 1:21:21.000 You know when you see us on the album cover 1:21:21.160 --> 1:21:25.000 where there's where by the fire and you know we're 1:21:25.040 --> 1:21:27.599 we're all looking a different way, so don't necessarily see 1:21:27.640 --> 1:21:31.120 our faces and stuff. That was shot at his father's 1:21:31.160 --> 1:21:34.840 steel milled. It was you know it it's uh, what 1:21:35.000 --> 1:21:38.880 street is that, Nate right before they d Santa Fe Road? 1:21:38.960 --> 1:21:41.439 Santa Fe Street or road? It was that one steel 1:21:41.800 --> 1:21:45.040 looked abandoned right close to that pig farm thing that 1:21:45.160 --> 1:21:48.200 that you know, that one that's over there around that area. No, 1:21:48.439 --> 1:21:51.040 no way before that it's like right when you're coming 1:21:51.040 --> 1:21:53.720 out of Southgate on the backside, if you saw it, 1:21:54.400 --> 1:21:56.720 but we didn't know it was this father's ship. I 1:21:56.800 --> 1:21:59.880 mean we've been growing up and seeing that ship forever. 1:22:00.080 --> 1:22:01.880 And then you know, he he says, I want to 1:22:01.960 --> 1:22:04.439 take you to this spot. And Muggs was very pivotal 1:22:04.479 --> 1:22:06.360 in that because he was giving him the direction. Hey, 1:22:06.400 --> 1:22:09.639 we want it to look like you've had that vision 1:22:09.720 --> 1:22:12.679 from get like sorry to go. But the art direction 1:22:12.760 --> 1:22:15.599 thing was there, all right, right, yeah, So we had 1:22:15.680 --> 1:22:17.200 this idea what we wanted to do. It was a 1:22:17.280 --> 1:22:19.120 trash cam, you know, I mean a burning trash can, 1:22:19.200 --> 1:22:22.280 like you're staying warm. It was like it was it 1:22:22.360 --> 1:22:26.080 was like August July August, it was outside, you know what. 1:22:26.760 --> 1:22:28.439 We're trying to get the winter field in l A. 1:22:28.720 --> 1:22:31.280 So we had jacketson, we had the five burned. It 1:22:31.360 --> 1:22:33.839 was like eighty nine degrees. We was taking the pictures. 1:22:34.439 --> 1:22:36.439 And the steel mill right there in like South Cake 1:22:36.520 --> 1:22:39.000 and that and that was Mike Miller's father's steel mills. 1:22:39.080 --> 1:22:41.559 So it made it easy. And the funny thing is, uh, 1:22:42.000 --> 1:22:45.040 the guy who was the assistant to Mike Miller was 1:22:45.240 --> 1:22:49.760 stefan Orio, director of our new of our documentary did 1:22:49.800 --> 1:22:53.760 a great job. What made y'all want to do the 1:22:53.800 --> 1:22:56.640 documentary because y'all was you had people filming it from 1:22:56.680 --> 1:22:58.320 the beginning that shut out massive people. I didn't know 1:22:58.400 --> 1:23:02.439 that they were so time. Yeah, and the camera ship. 1:23:02.520 --> 1:23:05.000 From the beginning, it's just us buying cameras, you know, 1:23:05.040 --> 1:23:06.960 when movie camera started coming out, one of the homies 1:23:06.960 --> 1:23:09.320 and buy a camera, the other homie buy a camera, 1:23:09.720 --> 1:23:13.479 just shooting ship behind the document It wasn't like live 1:23:13.560 --> 1:23:15.600 on Instagram. So we had our cameras, you know, we 1:23:15.720 --> 1:23:18.320 had our own ship. When you when you watch the documentary, 1:23:18.439 --> 1:23:21.840 do you like, what kind of emotions do you watch? 1:23:21.880 --> 1:23:23.720 Because I'm looking at it, like, man, these guys had 1:23:23.760 --> 1:23:26.680 a fucking heleb a life, But I didn't live at 1:23:26.680 --> 1:23:28.760 that like now. But this is the thing that when 1:23:28.760 --> 1:23:31.040 I'm watching it, I was watching My Girl That's night actually, 1:23:31.640 --> 1:23:34.559 and we're watching and there's so much ship that happens, 1:23:34.760 --> 1:23:38.439 and then it cuts to MTV News and I'm like you, 1:23:38.640 --> 1:23:42.439 MTV news hasn't been around for so long. Happen like 1:23:42.600 --> 1:23:46.519 y'all live like two lifetimes and still mash it happened 1:23:46.520 --> 1:23:48.439 after that. That's what I'm saying, like, so much has 1:23:48.479 --> 1:23:50.559 happened for you guys, And one thing that didn't established 1:23:50.560 --> 1:23:53.080 in the documentary is why you left the group, because 1:23:53.080 --> 1:23:55.840 that was the MTV thing said leaves the group. But 1:23:56.080 --> 1:24:00.160 I don't know if you ever like said why did 1:24:00.240 --> 1:24:04.040 you leave the group? At that time? Uh, I think 1:24:04.080 --> 1:24:06.400 I was just a scattered brain, know what I mean, 1:24:06.520 --> 1:24:09.120 Like my my I couldn't really focus on it on 1:24:09.280 --> 1:24:13.720 one thing, and I felt like, uh, I was more 1:24:13.800 --> 1:24:17.920 of a like more of us something that was against 1:24:17.960 --> 1:24:20.599 the group, that something that could help the group. Lack 1:24:20.640 --> 1:24:23.720 of a better term, he was like the ODB. I 1:24:23.800 --> 1:24:26.200 guess yeah kind of you know what I mean. I 1:24:26.320 --> 1:24:28.960 just it was I couldn't get my ship together. I 1:24:29.000 --> 1:24:31.559 couldn't concentrate it. For the first time in my life, 1:24:31.560 --> 1:24:34.560 I couldn't figure the ship out, were I what I 1:24:34.640 --> 1:24:37.639 wanted to do, you know? And then the road life 1:24:37.720 --> 1:24:40.320 is rigorous like that, just crazy, especially when you're it's 1:24:40.320 --> 1:24:42.160 your first time out there. And I'm not gonna make 1:24:42.200 --> 1:24:44.920 any excuses or whatever, but yeah, I went through culture 1:24:44.960 --> 1:24:47.240 shock and all that ship that, you know, and I 1:24:47.280 --> 1:24:50.160 would see these guys just raging on fucking tour and 1:24:50.240 --> 1:24:52.280 I'm like man, I just don't feel that ship. What 1:24:52.400 --> 1:24:56.200 I mean, I wouldn't know. I wasn't having fun. It 1:24:56.360 --> 1:24:58.920 was the I don't want to say, a burden, you 1:24:58.960 --> 1:25:00.240 know what I mean, But it was like a heavy 1:25:00.280 --> 1:25:04.760 ship on me. Um too uh to just stay the 1:25:04.840 --> 1:25:07.360 whole time out there with them, you know what I mean. 1:25:08.160 --> 1:25:10.800 And I had to battle the I guess demons that 1:25:10.920 --> 1:25:13.040 were trying to tell me like fun these dudes and 1:25:13.280 --> 1:25:15.920 split and you know, and the right thing which was 1:25:15.960 --> 1:25:18.400 telling me stay right here with your crew, know what 1:25:18.439 --> 1:25:21.920 I mean, and that and that, and I didn't always 1:25:22.000 --> 1:25:24.120 come through with that ship and what I mean, so 1:25:24.280 --> 1:25:29.320 I I've always, uh, I felt shitty about that, you know, 1:25:29.680 --> 1:25:32.559 until I figured that ship out and became a constant 1:25:32.600 --> 1:25:36.000 part of the A touring crew. And you started your 1:25:36.040 --> 1:25:40.000 own crew as well, right, your own Yeah, back in 1:25:40.080 --> 1:25:43.040 those days. Yes, I started the band that uh that 1:25:43.160 --> 1:25:45.920 actually helped me stay in music, you know what I mean, 1:25:46.000 --> 1:25:49.720 because my idea funked up as it was. I was 1:25:49.880 --> 1:25:52.200 like just I'm just gonna quit, you know what I mean. 1:25:52.280 --> 1:25:56.599 But these guys um like we we just need someone 1:25:56.640 --> 1:26:00.519 to practice with, can you just rap? And I'm like okay, 1:26:00.720 --> 1:26:04.880 all right whatever and that turned into me staying productive 1:26:05.000 --> 1:26:07.720 doing music and this and that the whole time. Be real, 1:26:07.800 --> 1:26:10.160 would not you know? He'd come over to my house 1:26:10.280 --> 1:26:12.719 like once or twice a year and be like, hey, nigga, 1:26:12.760 --> 1:26:15.000 you ready yet or and I was like, no, I'm 1:26:15.040 --> 1:26:17.960 not ready yet, you know what I mean. So when 1:26:18.000 --> 1:26:20.320 I became, when I decided, okay, I'm gonna go back 1:26:20.320 --> 1:26:22.680 to the to the crew because thanks to these three 1:26:22.760 --> 1:26:27.280 cats right here, they kept the band, you know, yeah, 1:26:31.200 --> 1:26:34.760 and they kept the band going while I took my hiatus, 1:26:35.400 --> 1:26:36.960 you know what I mean, until I figured it out 1:26:37.040 --> 1:26:40.400 and and uh and and I developed this you know 1:26:40.479 --> 1:26:42.400 who gets the funk attitude? You know what I mean? Like, 1:26:42.840 --> 1:26:44.600 and that's you know, the same ship that I'm on 1:26:44.640 --> 1:26:47.679 until today, because that's what I was. I was expecting 1:26:47.800 --> 1:26:52.360 almost um or you know, ice Cube left in w 1:26:52.520 --> 1:26:55.360 way so and and then it was just record said 1:26:55.400 --> 1:26:57.760 to that and you know, back and forth. So I 1:26:57.920 --> 1:27:00.960 was expecting that, you know, when when you left the 1:27:01.000 --> 1:27:03.559 group and Din like like you said, like MTV reporting 1:27:03.640 --> 1:27:06.040 on it, how come you guys never took that round? 1:27:06.120 --> 1:27:07.800 Because but but then you see the footage of what 1:27:07.920 --> 1:27:10.280 you said on stage. Had you ever did you ever 1:27:10.360 --> 1:27:13.360 see that till the documentary what he was saying on stage, 1:27:13.720 --> 1:27:17.519 you know, he was saying, look, he's not here anymore, 1:27:17.560 --> 1:27:19.280 but he's still a part of the group. Like it 1:27:19.400 --> 1:27:22.400 was more supportive words. Yeah, because he's our brother, you 1:27:22.479 --> 1:27:24.000 know what I mean, that's the way we look at 1:27:24.080 --> 1:27:27.160 each other. You know, we're not just bandmates. Were more 1:27:27.240 --> 1:27:29.320 than that, and that I think that's why it's been 1:27:29.400 --> 1:27:32.639 able to be what it is, because we understand each other. 1:27:32.720 --> 1:27:34.800 You know, if one of us is having a bad time, 1:27:35.600 --> 1:27:37.720 we just back up and let it breathe and you 1:27:37.840 --> 1:27:40.120 know the rest of us continue to tow the line 1:27:40.120 --> 1:27:43.240 and make it happen. And you know, he got me 1:27:43.360 --> 1:27:46.040 into this ship, this guy and this guy right here 1:27:46.360 --> 1:27:49.799 and and you know to give him his flowers and mellow. 1:27:50.120 --> 1:27:51.920 You know, they got me off the street when I 1:27:52.080 --> 1:27:54.519 was banging. They were already kind of in the game. 1:27:54.600 --> 1:27:57.760 They could have pushed on without me and figured it out, 1:27:57.920 --> 1:28:01.280 but you know, they brought me in. And you know, 1:28:01.360 --> 1:28:04.240 there's there's only a couple of different paths when you're banging, 1:28:04.560 --> 1:28:07.880 especially in that time when it was crazy heated, and 1:28:08.080 --> 1:28:11.000 these guys took a chance on me, right, So you 1:28:11.120 --> 1:28:15.000 know when Saint Dog left. We weren't mad at him. 1:28:15.040 --> 1:28:17.880 We we just tried to understand. We were disappointed, but 1:28:18.080 --> 1:28:20.559 like we carried the line till till he came back, 1:28:20.640 --> 1:28:23.040 and we all, you know, Muggs would from time to 1:28:23.120 --> 1:28:26.960 time checking on I would, Bobo would, and in his 1:28:27.160 --> 1:28:30.760 time he came back and we accepted it, embraced it, 1:28:30.880 --> 1:28:34.280 and new fuck. You know, we were back at this time. 1:28:34.360 --> 1:28:36.160 We let him have his time. And I just gotta 1:28:36.200 --> 1:28:38.640 say that there was no like fucked up treatment from 1:28:38.680 --> 1:28:42.000 these cats. When I went through my own ship. I mean, 1:28:42.080 --> 1:28:46.200 like it happens like that, like yeah, weakness an arm 1:28:46.360 --> 1:28:48.720 or something like that, they kick your ass out. It 1:28:48.880 --> 1:28:50.400 wasn't that with these guys, you know what I mean. 1:28:50.520 --> 1:28:55.880 They were just like he saved my life, So I 1:28:55.920 --> 1:28:58.840 could never disrespect this guy, you know, same as Muggs, 1:28:58.960 --> 1:29:01.760 same as Mellow. You know, I might have had my 1:29:01.880 --> 1:29:04.280 problems with Mellow in the past, but you know I 1:29:04.320 --> 1:29:08.080 always got love for him because that basically saved my life. 1:29:08.200 --> 1:29:11.600 So we got to be understanding to one another, you 1:29:11.680 --> 1:29:13.920 know what I mean, especially when we've built it up 1:29:14.040 --> 1:29:16.760 like at that point. But was it difficult, you know, 1:29:16.840 --> 1:29:19.799 going on tours without him and um, you know, especially 1:29:19.960 --> 1:29:22.360 singing his part. I believe he was singing his parts. 1:29:22.560 --> 1:29:24.240 We did a few toys where I was doing all 1:29:24.320 --> 1:29:28.160 his parts. Yeah yeah, I mean they split him between 1:29:29.800 --> 1:29:31.880 and then the ones that they couldn't do I would 1:29:32.360 --> 1:29:35.720 do send dogs versus and we just you know, sort 1:29:35.760 --> 1:29:39.080 of split it up. It was, you know, we still 1:29:39.240 --> 1:29:41.640 brought a show. It's just that you know, we had 1:29:41.720 --> 1:29:45.080 the missing fucking component and send dogs energy, you know 1:29:45.120 --> 1:29:48.320 what I mean, and his voice, his tone when you 1:29:48.400 --> 1:29:51.080 don't have that, it ain't necessarily cyper still, but we 1:29:51.200 --> 1:29:54.360 gave it to crowds nonetheless and they accepted it. And 1:29:54.439 --> 1:29:57.760 when he came back, it was just like yeah and 1:29:58.040 --> 1:30:00.760 and uh so in his time man, and I knew 1:30:00.760 --> 1:30:03.519 he'd come back. It was it was just he needed 1:30:03.840 --> 1:30:06.600 time to breathe and reset because we were on a 1:30:06.720 --> 1:30:10.280 crazy pace, like we didn't see home but from maybe 1:30:10.320 --> 1:30:12.160 two three weeks at a time, and then we were 1:30:12.200 --> 1:30:14.600 back on the fucking road. We didn't see our families, 1:30:14.760 --> 1:30:17.960 friends and and nothing. You know, it's like seven eight 1:30:18.040 --> 1:30:22.920 months a year like the first five years. No FaceTime, 1:30:26.520 --> 1:30:28.200 but there was no social shifts. You had to get 1:30:28.200 --> 1:30:31.640 out there and get face to face with your fans stores, 1:30:31.680 --> 1:30:35.680 you know what I mean, started radio stations show just 1:30:35.760 --> 1:30:38.000 try to bring people from the hood. And I used 1:30:38.000 --> 1:30:39.479 to bring them out like, yo, you come with me, 1:30:40.040 --> 1:30:41.759 I can see you. Not if it was like fifteen 1:30:41.800 --> 1:30:47.000 of them, seven of them will go home. You read 1:30:47.040 --> 1:30:49.599 my mind, because I was about to just say that, right, 1:30:49.840 --> 1:30:52.880 is that you can? You can. There's something motherfucker's that 1:30:52.960 --> 1:30:55.639 are built for this and some that have to sort 1:30:55.680 --> 1:31:00.519 of learn and gradually get into this, and some are 1:31:00.560 --> 1:31:02.960 not built for it at all. Because we did the 1:31:03.000 --> 1:31:05.479 same thing. We brought a couple of my homies that 1:31:05.640 --> 1:31:09.080 I banged with and one of them snapped in for sure, 1:31:09.160 --> 1:31:10.920 he could live the road life. But the thing is 1:31:11.000 --> 1:31:13.160 is he got reckless, you know what I mean. The 1:31:13.240 --> 1:31:16.599 hood started flashing up in different places when he would 1:31:16.640 --> 1:31:21.920 drink too much, different hoods, and and that's a liability 1:31:22.120 --> 1:31:24.840 because things could pop off, right. And then there's the 1:31:24.920 --> 1:31:27.400 other homies that we brought on who was a g 1:31:27.720 --> 1:31:30.280 you know, one of my g s. And he spent 1:31:30.400 --> 1:31:33.360 the tour, he spent a full tour with us, but 1:31:33.479 --> 1:31:36.320 he didn't want to do another one because because because 1:31:36.360 --> 1:31:38.640 because all he ever knew was the Hood, and he 1:31:38.720 --> 1:31:40.439 missed so much money in the hood. Yeah, and he 1:31:40.880 --> 1:31:44.120 or he just missed being around. He missed that ship 1:31:44.320 --> 1:31:47.160 and he couldn't disconnect from it. Being on the road 1:31:47.320 --> 1:31:51.240 was cool, but I'd rather be in a comfort zone 1:31:51.320 --> 1:31:53.880 here because I know this ship and and some get 1:31:53.960 --> 1:31:55.880 stuck in that mentality, you know what I mean. And 1:31:56.000 --> 1:31:59.680 Sen wasn't that. It was just that it's we were 1:31:59.720 --> 1:32:03.040 fun and going so heavy. It just gassed him, you 1:32:03.120 --> 1:32:04.840 know what I mean. For me, I was like, this 1:32:05.040 --> 1:32:09.360 is all I got. I'm fucking we're rolling and uh, 1:32:09.600 --> 1:32:11.599 you know, so it never got I never got tired 1:32:11.640 --> 1:32:15.559 of it. You know. Sometimes now I might, but um, 1:32:16.520 --> 1:32:18.640 at that point, I was like, funk, we're on. We 1:32:18.720 --> 1:32:21.759 gotta keep going. And Mugs was the same way in Bobo, 1:32:21.880 --> 1:32:24.160 and I believe that Sen was in this way. But 1:32:24.240 --> 1:32:27.479 it just eventually it gets when you're seeing only two 1:32:27.520 --> 1:32:30.280 weeks at home and then having to do another eight 1:32:30.360 --> 1:32:34.559 week tour. Man, that ship bears down on you. Especially 1:32:35.439 --> 1:32:37.600 there was no face time back then. There was no 1:32:37.920 --> 1:32:41.640 especially was disconnected from the world, going going, going overseas, 1:32:41.800 --> 1:32:45.280 where it's really a culture shot because it's a whole 1:32:48.400 --> 1:32:52.080 and you know, different languages, different there's different things, you 1:32:52.120 --> 1:32:59.720 know what I mean, Hey, what was what was key? Though? 1:32:59.800 --> 1:33:02.439 For a second when those next tales came that you 1:33:02.520 --> 1:33:07.760 could do the Washington that was such. Have you ever 1:33:07.840 --> 1:33:10.720 slowed down on touring or it's been like this from 1:33:10.720 --> 1:33:12.640 the beginning. There was a couple of times with a 1:33:12.720 --> 1:33:18.360 couple COVID Well yeah, COVID definitely that that's been you know, 1:33:18.479 --> 1:33:21.280 one of the longest stretches that we didn't touch the road, 1:33:21.360 --> 1:33:24.240 but that was there was stretch. I was playing paintball, 1:33:24.520 --> 1:33:31.000 you know, competitive, Yeah, and that was totally fucking addicted 1:33:31.040 --> 1:33:32.920 to that ship and still don't do it anymore, you 1:33:32.960 --> 1:33:34.920 know on the team. No, not that I mean, I 1:33:34.960 --> 1:33:36.760 could put it back together, but I just you know, 1:33:37.400 --> 1:33:43.320 what happened was this Yeah, yeah, like I almost won 1:33:43.400 --> 1:33:50.760 proy million dollar couples. Let me explain to you. Let 1:33:50.800 --> 1:33:53.000 me explain to you. There's two styles of paint two 1:33:53.080 --> 1:33:57.200 different styles of paintball culture. There's the ones where regular 1:33:57.280 --> 1:34:00.280 folks going they play what's called scenario games. They go 1:34:00.360 --> 1:34:03.120 into a field and they try to shoot each other out. 1:34:03.320 --> 1:34:05.920 That's one that's not the one that we were doing. 1:34:06.280 --> 1:34:08.519 We were doing the one called speedball, where let's just 1:34:08.600 --> 1:34:11.599 say this is the field. It's cutting half the team, 1:34:11.640 --> 1:34:13.280 and it's like play like a sport, like you got 1:34:13.360 --> 1:34:15.920 your you got obstacles over here, obstacles over there. It's 1:34:15.960 --> 1:34:18.960 a mirror. Seven guys, seven guys. You're trying to get there, 1:34:20.520 --> 1:34:23.280 and you're shooting guns, you know, paintball guns at each other, 1:34:23.400 --> 1:34:26.800 trying to like communicate and strategized like chess with guns, 1:34:27.080 --> 1:34:37.240 you know, how to get these dudes out. I was 1:34:41.479 --> 1:34:44.040 I needed that because that was my my time off 1:34:44.160 --> 1:34:46.920 right there, Like you know, SANDC took his time. When 1:34:46.960 --> 1:34:48.640 I took my time, we all had to take a 1:34:48.720 --> 1:34:51.880 pause because you know, it's a little bit different, right. 1:34:52.080 --> 1:34:54.919 So I took that three years, and I didn't realize 1:34:54.920 --> 1:34:56.599 I was taking that three years. I was just having 1:34:56.680 --> 1:35:00.320 fun doing that ship because competitive paintball takes you touring 1:35:00.439 --> 1:35:08.800 two different if you win, but there's very expensive to play. 1:35:08.880 --> 1:35:14.439 But if you win win, yes, sponsorships, yeah, like you 1:35:14.520 --> 1:35:17.000 get real sponsorships. We did. We did decent, We were 1:35:17.080 --> 1:35:19.800 we were pretty good team. But like what happened was 1:35:19.920 --> 1:35:23.799 this on my last tournament. Um, on my last tournament 1:35:23.880 --> 1:35:26.320 in San Diego that I played that we played as 1:35:26.360 --> 1:35:29.559 a team. Um, you know this this dude comes up 1:35:29.600 --> 1:35:32.160 and we did horribly bad and that that tournament, like 1:35:32.280 --> 1:35:34.800 we weren't communicating, We're just playing like ship and we 1:35:34.920 --> 1:35:38.599 got we got cheated. All of this ship was happening. 1:35:38.600 --> 1:35:41.760 It was just a bad day. And this fan comes up, right, 1:35:41.800 --> 1:35:44.439 it goes, Yo, be real, man, it's good to see 1:35:44.479 --> 1:35:47.040 you out here with the people like this man, you know, 1:35:47.240 --> 1:35:52.120 like fucking down the earth ship and playing paintball ambassadorship. Yeah, man, 1:35:52.840 --> 1:35:57.280 I can ask you something like yeah and thanks. He goes, 1:35:58.240 --> 1:35:59.800 when are you going to make a new album? And 1:36:00.000 --> 1:36:05.280 it back on tour and I was for you, oh right, 1:36:05.680 --> 1:36:14.600 But this is because he snapped me. Because like after that, 1:36:15.000 --> 1:36:17.800 you know, I put out three mixed tapes, um, the 1:36:17.880 --> 1:36:22.920 gun Slinger series. UM. Then we eventually work on Rise 1:36:23.040 --> 1:36:25.400 Up and we get back on tour, we start touring 1:36:25.600 --> 1:36:28.200 heavy again. But it was those three years and it 1:36:28.320 --> 1:36:31.040 was that dude in that tournament who gave me the 1:36:31.120 --> 1:36:34.479 reality check like I should be working, you know, like 1:36:34.840 --> 1:36:38.680 enough of shout out to you, bro, because like you 1:36:38.800 --> 1:36:40.920 snapped me back in and I know, motherfucker's like, what 1:36:41.040 --> 1:36:44.000 the fund is wrong with him? We got you know 1:36:44.040 --> 1:36:47.439 what I'm saying, And thank you for understanding that we 1:36:47.600 --> 1:36:53.000 never even know he's he's playing Papa. You know that's 1:36:53.000 --> 1:36:56.519 having a different times times. I'm thinking this is the 1:36:56.600 --> 1:36:59.800 same time, like yeah, because you who we want. We 1:37:00.000 --> 1:37:02.120 all got ship to do, like we all got fucking 1:37:02.160 --> 1:37:05.200 about twenty things to do. So whenever welcome miss right. No, 1:37:05.320 --> 1:37:09.000 he was a little home. He was look on this 1:37:09.400 --> 1:37:13.000 m on. Not to interrupt, but on the footage of Woodstock. 1:37:13.360 --> 1:37:16.040 I believe that's his footage, right, alchemist was there was 1:37:16.439 --> 1:37:19.000 it's my footage. He shot it on my camp on 1:37:19.120 --> 1:37:27.760 your camera. Yeah, has been there on that long shout alchemists. 1:37:28.160 --> 1:37:34.840 Alchemist want anybody to go to break Let's take it 1:37:36.120 --> 1:38:19.120 take back freak. So we're gonna do you want to 1:38:19.200 --> 1:38:22.479 play the game so quick time with slime. It's gonna 1:38:22.520 --> 1:38:25.160 give you two names, two groups. You gotta pick one 1:38:25.240 --> 1:38:27.599 or the other. If you pick both or neither, which 1:38:27.680 --> 1:38:30.800 is the politically correct answer. We're drinking. Everybody's drinking, though, 1:38:30.800 --> 1:38:32.439 we're drinking with you. We all drinking. We're all taking 1:38:32.439 --> 1:38:36.000 a shot. So you pick one what he drinks, you 1:38:36.120 --> 1:38:39.439 pick both or neither of them. We're all drinking. And 1:38:39.520 --> 1:38:45.160 then sny you drinking sary right, Yeah, no, he's on 1:38:45.240 --> 1:38:55.880 a cleanse right now, let's go. I want to ask 1:38:55.920 --> 1:38:57.479 you out to a question, and he's gonna ask y'all 1:38:57.520 --> 1:39:00.479 to a question and the same he said it to me. Yes, 1:39:02.000 --> 1:39:08.080 all right, so cool? You ready? I think so quick? 1:39:08.120 --> 1:39:10.200 Time of sloping up to my people from Cherry Colorado, 1:39:11.200 --> 1:39:21.080 my fault, Jami Kid Frost or metal man Ace melomonnaise melomonnaise? 1:39:21.240 --> 1:39:25.880 All right, all right, y'all too. How's the painter funk? 1:39:25.960 --> 1:39:42.360 Dubious ice cube or scarface ice cube? Ice cube? All right? 1:39:42.560 --> 1:39:46.800 I'm glad I didn't have to answer that one, dre 1:39:47.040 --> 1:40:01.280 or puff. I want to see if you can answer 1:40:01.360 --> 1:40:15.200 like how they answer DJ's over here, were good we 1:40:16.000 --> 1:40:26.320 exhibit or grass cast exhibit already trip car quest or 1:40:26.400 --> 1:40:31.559 sold a mischief quest? Jee man, Now this is gonna. 1:40:32.200 --> 1:40:36.200 I'm sure we can tell you'all to are a lot together. 1:40:36.320 --> 1:40:43.280 The bust the rhymes or eminem bust the rhymes? Okay, 1:40:43.600 --> 1:40:54.360 snoop a game soup? We need better questions. Take a shot, 1:40:59.280 --> 1:41:02.000 all right? To kill a dude? Okay, you got the 1:41:02.080 --> 1:41:03.840 right there right there? This is to kill all right? 1:41:03.880 --> 1:41:07.000 We ready, lets you take a shot. You gotta take 1:41:07.000 --> 1:41:13.559 a shot. Shot no take it again though we didn't 1:41:13.600 --> 1:41:25.880 see you, right, Okay, this one, I'm pretty sure we're 1:41:25.920 --> 1:41:28.160 gonna go with this one, but I I gotta ask 1:41:28.240 --> 1:41:36.200 anyway Tupac or Nipsey Hustle, Okay, Big Pun or Biggie 1:41:36.720 --> 1:41:42.000 Biggie Baggy jeez man, we're not getting no at all. 1:41:44.000 --> 1:41:51.479 DJ Quick or battle Cat DJ quick us Quick all right, 1:41:51.680 --> 1:41:56.479 out cast a U G K wait. I was gonna 1:41:56.520 --> 1:42:09.439 say out casts were drinking, drink when they disagree. I 1:42:09.560 --> 1:42:22.160 got already to stalk Hollywood Square. Okay, ye that it's 1:42:22.160 --> 1:42:26.519 on me right, U huh Oh, it's a good one. 1:42:29.280 --> 1:42:36.439 N w a o Wu tang clan in w aely together. 1:42:39.240 --> 1:42:41.000 This is a weird one. Who put this one together? 1:42:41.439 --> 1:42:46.320 All right? Fat Joe or e forty damn? I mean 1:42:46.360 --> 1:42:49.559 this is the one make a drink Fat Joe, Pat Joe? Yeah, 1:42:49.600 --> 1:42:53.519 oh my god, all right, you don't want to drink 1:42:53.800 --> 1:43:11.200 podcast podcast video You gotta drink too, right? Okay, damn 1:43:11.560 --> 1:43:17.519 is going anywhere he did that you wanted to drink? 1:43:19.680 --> 1:43:23.400 Okay when you man, Oh, this is a good one. 1:43:23.600 --> 1:43:24.840 Just let me see, let me see, let me see, 1:43:24.880 --> 1:43:28.800 let me see. We're going right. Oh all right, okay, yeah, 1:43:29.000 --> 1:43:32.360 American me or blood in or blood out American American me. 1:43:33.840 --> 1:43:42.080 Don't look at me, little puppet. I'll scare of that movie, 1:43:43.280 --> 1:43:46.200 both of them, the other one legit, the legit story. 1:43:46.439 --> 1:43:48.439 American me to Helm, I'm blood and blood. That's when 1:43:48.560 --> 1:43:51.280 the white guy they're boating based in the same time. 1:43:52.120 --> 1:43:57.559 That's ill. That's ill. Okay, the chronic or all eyes 1:43:57.600 --> 1:44:06.519 on me, the chronic on it, cush or sour. You 1:44:06.600 --> 1:44:10.080 gotta start answering at the same time. I believe you 1:44:10.200 --> 1:44:19.479 got you got the beat nuts or souls of Mischief 1:44:19.960 --> 1:44:29.679 nuts that was in brou Yeah, I mean, I don't 1:44:29.720 --> 1:44:32.400 want to use alchemists that they didn't go together. No, 1:44:33.360 --> 1:44:35.280 Beatus is a group more than production. I'm not think 1:44:35.280 --> 1:44:37.640 of beating us a thing above. No beat Nuts are alchemists. 1:44:38.479 --> 1:44:40.120 That was the real one. Oh that was the real 1:44:40.280 --> 1:44:54.120 That was a real one. Too late. The question was yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:44:54.320 --> 1:45:01.880 what No bro relax um MLP mob deep h m, 1:45:01.880 --> 1:45:11.960 well pee mom d we're drinking salute the boat. What's 1:45:12.160 --> 1:45:17.719 I got there? I'll wait for sun get smaller, smaller 1:45:23.240 --> 1:45:26.000 in your life, just because that's Beard to killer goes 1:45:26.160 --> 1:45:34.479 right together. Okay, alright, already Boys in the Hood, Society, 1:45:34.640 --> 1:45:43.599 Boys in the Hood rock Camera, Carross One, Oh yeah, 1:45:43.640 --> 1:45:48.840 Carross one. Okay, you're ready. Coulgi wrap, a big al 1:45:49.280 --> 1:45:54.960 Coulgi rap cougie wrap like this one. Man is stupid 1:45:55.680 --> 1:46:07.080 New Yorker Miami soundn't like that one ep m D 1:46:07.320 --> 1:46:14.200 or Gangstar EPMD Bucket hats baby, but I love them both. Yes, 1:46:14.880 --> 1:46:18.120 all right, brand newbian a trip called quest. Y'all double 1:46:18.200 --> 1:46:22.360 on tribe. Okay, we're drinking, let's go. I think it 1:46:22.400 --> 1:46:29.320 makes a night of that Mama wheezy baby. This one, 1:46:29.320 --> 1:46:30.880 I don't know what that's gonna pick. And I need 1:46:30.920 --> 1:46:34.120 to know why you do pick this your own TV 1:46:34.320 --> 1:46:38.760 raps or video music box? You m TV raps um 1:46:39.400 --> 1:46:43.040 video music box? Okay, I need the explanation for both 1:46:43.040 --> 1:46:48.800 of y'all. You're unto raps because, um, they held it 1:46:48.880 --> 1:46:51.280 down through those earlier those years of hip hop when 1:46:51.320 --> 1:46:54.720 we really needed that show and I felt that, um, 1:46:56.240 --> 1:46:58.320 that whole, that whole thing that they did, and they 1:46:58.400 --> 1:47:00.840 spotlighted hip hop and then some of the greatest hip 1:47:00.880 --> 1:47:05.599 hoppers of all time. We're on that show Video music 1:47:05.720 --> 1:47:19.560 Box because they showed them TV the way, not with 1:47:21.560 --> 1:47:27.320 you and you next after that. M hmm, I'm gonna 1:47:27.360 --> 1:47:31.800 change it up though, Um big Boy or the Baker Boys, 1:47:33.360 --> 1:47:42.120 Big Boy, Big Boy Primo or Pete Rock, Hey Mony 1:47:42.200 --> 1:47:49.480 love or Yo Yo love is the last one all 1:47:49.960 --> 1:47:54.400 for ye together. Loyalty or respect And let's let's go 1:47:54.560 --> 1:48:01.200 one more one. Loyalty or respect, respect, loyalty break it down. 1:48:01.920 --> 1:48:04.599 If you can take a shot to work. I mean 1:48:08.520 --> 1:48:11.519 we gotta take the shot either. We all explain it about. Yes, 1:48:11.920 --> 1:48:23.800 he want some more, Mama wheezy. Loyalty, well, you know, 1:48:24.040 --> 1:48:28.200 loyalty because one person can't do it all by themselves. 1:48:28.280 --> 1:48:30.400 You need a team and you gotta be loyal to 1:48:30.520 --> 1:48:34.200 each other. And with loyalty comes to respect. Without it, 1:48:35.320 --> 1:48:41.280 there is no respect. And I agree with the brothers 1:48:41.360 --> 1:48:44.519 thoughts on what he said. But for me, you know, 1:48:45.680 --> 1:48:48.080 respect is everything. I don't care if you don't even 1:48:48.160 --> 1:48:50.680 like me, but when you when I come around, you 1:48:50.760 --> 1:48:55.639 show that respect. I mean yeah, I can see that. Uh. 1:48:56.760 --> 1:49:02.560 There's different levels of respect. Uh. But loyalty, Uh, you know, 1:49:02.760 --> 1:49:06.120 if you're your's true, you stay loyal, you know, no 1:49:06.240 --> 1:49:14.519 matter what h oh man. So if he motherfucker's um 1:49:16.479 --> 1:49:18.680 loyal to you, he might not even agree with you, 1:49:19.840 --> 1:49:21.680 but he ain't gonna want to kill you because he's 1:49:21.720 --> 1:49:23.120 loyal to you, you know what I mean. But I 1:49:23.160 --> 1:49:24.840 could have respect for you, and I don't like what 1:49:24.960 --> 1:49:27.439 you're thinking all that ship and I'm gonna kill you, 1:49:27.560 --> 1:49:33.839 motherfucker because I am loyal to you. That was profile. 1:49:42.120 --> 1:49:43.800 Now what do you do? What do you? What do you? Guys? 1:49:43.880 --> 1:49:47.719 Love more making the record but performing the record. It's both. 1:49:48.160 --> 1:49:52.320 It's you can't have one without the other, especially in 1:49:52.439 --> 1:49:55.240 hip hop. You know what I'm saying, You gotta love both. 1:49:55.560 --> 1:49:58.519 I mean some are only good at one. Yeah, I 1:49:58.600 --> 1:50:00.680 mean the energy is different, you know what I mean. 1:50:00.720 --> 1:50:02.400 When you make a record and you're in the fucking 1:50:02.479 --> 1:50:05.640 studio and you're smoking with the homies and then the 1:50:05.760 --> 1:50:08.560 beast saying and you the song is done, You're like, goddamn. 1:50:08.600 --> 1:50:10.400 And you listen to that ship and the fucking speakers 1:50:10.439 --> 1:50:13.760 on high and the ship's banging, You're like yeah. And 1:50:13.800 --> 1:50:15.880 then when you do a show and you got you know, 1:50:15.880 --> 1:50:18.559 a hundred thousand motherfucker's right there and you're rocking that ship, 1:50:18.640 --> 1:50:21.639 you're like, wo. It's just it's it's two different worlds. 1:50:21.640 --> 1:50:23.240 It's two different energies. You know. I mean it's two 1:50:23.240 --> 1:50:26.240 different ways of just living as an artist too. It's 1:50:26.280 --> 1:50:28.320 like it's like better at one and not not better 1:50:28.360 --> 1:50:30.160 at the other, but something co exist and just keep 1:50:30.280 --> 1:50:33.400 killing and killing. It's like connecting the piece to a puzzle. Right. 1:50:34.000 --> 1:50:37.680 If you come to see that song live, you as 1:50:37.760 --> 1:50:40.439 much as energy, the energy that you put into making 1:50:40.479 --> 1:50:44.080 that song, performing it is everything because you win people 1:50:44.200 --> 1:50:46.760 over in that performance. Like if you like your song 1:50:46.880 --> 1:50:50.200 and you're having fun to it, it becomes infectious if 1:50:50.280 --> 1:50:52.519 it's a good song, you know what I mean. So 1:50:52.880 --> 1:50:55.040 like you gotta want to do both. You can't be 1:50:55.200 --> 1:50:58.040 good at one and not the other. And some of 1:50:58.160 --> 1:51:01.280 us start good in the studio where ship live. But 1:51:01.400 --> 1:51:04.479 then if you work on it, you can become better 1:51:04.600 --> 1:51:06.560 at it. Like for me, I could say, you know, 1:51:06.680 --> 1:51:10.600 our first years, I was like my energy was you know, 1:51:10.720 --> 1:51:14.519 but longevity is I'm sorry, longevity is an artist tend 1:51:14.600 --> 1:51:18.120 to like keep your ecosystem like circulating and keep everything moving. 1:51:18.760 --> 1:51:20.720 Do your records, do your shows, do your records, do 1:51:20.760 --> 1:51:22.800 your shows? Do you just keep going and the more 1:51:22.840 --> 1:51:24.920 shows you do, you get better at it. You know 1:51:24.920 --> 1:51:27.479 what I'm saying, Because again I was shipped in the beginning, 1:51:27.520 --> 1:51:31.599 my energy was there, but my control and all that exercise, right, 1:51:31.680 --> 1:51:33.600 it came with time and doing it, you know what 1:51:33.640 --> 1:51:35.519 I mean. So you've got to have love for both. 1:51:35.600 --> 1:51:38.000 You gotta love hitting that stage and performing that song 1:51:38.080 --> 1:51:41.680 as much as you did created create creating it. But 1:51:41.760 --> 1:51:45.200 once you already get it on the performance level, it's 1:51:45.240 --> 1:51:48.800 gotta be so fulfilling though, because something that's subjective in 1:51:48.840 --> 1:51:51.479 the studio that you think is dope within the studio, bro, 1:51:52.040 --> 1:51:53.640 and you take it out to the world, and that 1:51:53.760 --> 1:51:56.120 world gives you that energy back. That's got to be 1:51:56.439 --> 1:51:59.880 special energy in the studio, you're creating something from nothing, 1:52:00.320 --> 1:52:01.920 there's nothing there, and you walk into day and you 1:52:01.960 --> 1:52:04.560 come out with that motherfucker's song, right, like, we just 1:52:04.680 --> 1:52:07.439 made that ship show. But then the tours fun. But 1:52:07.479 --> 1:52:10.200 but it's the same ship every night, the same ship. 1:52:10.320 --> 1:52:12.200 The traveling is the hardest part. The shows are the 1:52:12.240 --> 1:52:14.439 fun part, right, and you're doing that every that but 1:52:14.520 --> 1:52:16.680 that's a different energy you get from the crowd. But 1:52:16.840 --> 1:52:21.240 the same ship is making the records right right, being uh, 1:52:21.760 --> 1:52:25.599 being part of being a musician. You know, I loved 1:52:25.640 --> 1:52:27.960 the stage. I love to perform in front of people. 1:52:28.560 --> 1:52:31.080 You know that jazz motherfucker's since he was five at 1:52:31.080 --> 1:52:38.040 the Playboy Jazz festical. You know what, but five what 1:52:42.640 --> 1:52:45.040 I mean, I mean I knew him, I knew about 1:52:45.080 --> 1:52:48.880 the stage before recording. But the energy and recording and 1:52:49.080 --> 1:52:52.720 creating something is an incredible you know that energy. But 1:52:53.080 --> 1:52:54.920 I can't wait to get up on the stage and 1:52:55.000 --> 1:52:58.160 just like blow it up, kill it and just get 1:52:58.280 --> 1:53:02.120 that same reception or any kind of reception from you know, 1:53:02.240 --> 1:53:05.839 that big energy from the crowd. That's that's real fulfilling 1:53:05.920 --> 1:53:11.760 for me. Yeah, for me, it's a it's a thing 1:53:12.080 --> 1:53:13.840 that I mean, I love being around the brothers in 1:53:13.880 --> 1:53:18.000 the studio, smoking joints, hidden the bond and all that 1:53:18.080 --> 1:53:21.840 ship and recording jams and all that ship. And then um, 1:53:22.200 --> 1:53:24.720 we get a chance to tour around the world and 1:53:25.000 --> 1:53:27.320 have people trip out on what the funk we just 1:53:27.479 --> 1:53:31.759 did you know six months earlier. So it all goes together. 1:53:32.040 --> 1:53:35.880 You if you if you don't record, you can't tour. 1:53:36.280 --> 1:53:38.800 So record to tour, you know what I mean. And 1:53:39.080 --> 1:53:40.720 and that's what it's all about. When when you come 1:53:40.760 --> 1:53:44.280 down to talking about being a musician and actively you know, 1:53:45.680 --> 1:53:48.760 uh you know hip hop band that we do our thing. 1:53:49.720 --> 1:53:51.920 You know, there's not one without the other. You know, 1:53:51.960 --> 1:53:53.559 you gotta have them both, you got and you gotta 1:53:53.560 --> 1:53:58.280 figure out that that balance in the process of your 1:53:58.320 --> 1:54:01.360 band blowing the funk up and becoming big time famous, 1:54:01.840 --> 1:54:04.120 you know what I mean. And remember that it's all 1:54:04.120 --> 1:54:06.200 about the recording, and then you gotta go do this 1:54:06.320 --> 1:54:09.880 fun ship and the fun ship isn't always so fun 1:54:10.720 --> 1:54:13.000 as it is work. Like Mouk just mentioned, you know 1:54:13.000 --> 1:54:26.639 what I mean that you also speaking of going on tour, 1:54:27.080 --> 1:54:31.040 how different was it going on toward lip Biscuit. It 1:54:31.240 --> 1:54:35.360 was different in the sense of, Okay, well let's start wound, 1:54:35.600 --> 1:54:37.320 you know, from back in the days, and we were 1:54:37.400 --> 1:54:39.720 doing just strictly hip hop shows and then we come 1:54:39.720 --> 1:54:44.200 across this Lollapellusa thing, right, and then everything switched from there. 1:54:44.800 --> 1:54:49.480 So from LATEO we saw people walking on top of 1:54:49.560 --> 1:54:55.240 each other, flipping backwards off the stage. And so when 1:54:55.440 --> 1:54:59.360 when when Bista came around, um and the size of 1:54:59.400 --> 1:55:02.240 the production and the things they outrageous things they were doing, 1:55:02.600 --> 1:55:05.360 because Biscuit was always outrageous, you know what I mean. 1:55:05.520 --> 1:55:08.240 So when we're seeing that ship, I'm like, Okay, we 1:55:08.320 --> 1:55:10.560 just gotta go up there and just be ourselves no 1:55:10.720 --> 1:55:14.640 matter what they do, which I give respect to you. 1:55:15.360 --> 1:55:17.120 You know, we just had to go out and represent, 1:55:17.520 --> 1:55:20.760 you know, be saying bobo and mugs and be and 1:55:20.880 --> 1:55:22.680 do what we do because that's what people came to 1:55:22.800 --> 1:55:26.560 watch us for, not not for not what they're gonna 1:55:26.600 --> 1:55:29.080 do is what we're gonna do. And we always figured 1:55:29.120 --> 1:55:31.200 out a way to you know, scratching that you know, 1:55:31.320 --> 1:55:33.320 marking that motherfucking stage that we were on and even 1:55:33.360 --> 1:55:37.920 it even that mark on there forever. Yeah, we're always 1:55:37.960 --> 1:55:40.400 competitive to about it. You know, like we were either 1:55:40.440 --> 1:55:51.360 gonna steal your slip. Biscuits told us BISU first time, 1:55:52.000 --> 1:55:54.400 the first time ever. It was like we're gonna give 1:55:54.480 --> 1:55:56.440 your music. No read the ship she worked hard for 1:55:57.200 --> 1:56:00.080 fresh and just shut up and sit back. Have to 1:56:00.160 --> 1:56:08.200 see conflicted about that. But you can't fight technology, and 1:56:08.320 --> 1:56:11.520 technology is the really ship. There was the horse and 1:56:11.560 --> 1:56:13.480 then there was the car, and the horse motherfucker's was 1:56:13.560 --> 1:56:17.840 like wet things driving out which Metallic was fighting in. 1:56:18.000 --> 1:56:21.040 They were never loses. So you know the record company's 1:56:21.320 --> 1:56:24.200 record companies were behind on that ship. You know, they 1:56:24.240 --> 1:56:27.520 didn't fall in the way they could have, and you 1:56:27.600 --> 1:56:29.320 know put a big debt in the game, but we 1:56:29.400 --> 1:56:32.280 saw something different. So we went on that tour with 1:56:32.400 --> 1:56:36.320 Biscuit and uh yeah, you know it was it was fun. 1:56:36.440 --> 1:56:39.000 I mean like, yeah, their production is crazy, but they 1:56:39.120 --> 1:56:42.080 scaled it down for that one because it was significantly 1:56:42.200 --> 1:56:45.400 smaller venues and they were playing at the time, all 1:56:45.440 --> 1:56:47.760 the shows was free for the fans. Yeah, nobody paid. 1:56:47.760 --> 1:56:50.920 You just got in line, whoever got in and the 1:56:51.360 --> 1:56:54.040 door was locked. Not for this crazy, not for nothing. 1:56:54.280 --> 1:56:57.080 We gave. We gave it a hell of a run though, 1:56:57.360 --> 1:56:59.840 you know what I mean, those fans were there for it. 1:57:00.120 --> 1:57:02.040 Like when we went on and we played our set, 1:57:03.720 --> 1:57:06.080 it was significant impact, you know what I mean, Like 1:57:06.560 --> 1:57:09.480 they were going crazy, It was explosive. That was what. 1:57:09.680 --> 1:57:12.600 What was the cool thing about Torn with Limp Biscuit 1:57:12.800 --> 1:57:15.800 is that you know, their fans and our fans, you know, 1:57:16.000 --> 1:57:18.720 mixed together well and it made it for a great tour, 1:57:18.920 --> 1:57:21.080 you know what I mean. Um, they brought it, We 1:57:21.240 --> 1:57:24.120 brought it, and it was a win win. But you know, 1:57:24.240 --> 1:57:27.960 at the time, because we were on this Napster tour, 1:57:28.160 --> 1:57:30.720 you know, it wasn't very popular to be doing that ship. 1:57:30.800 --> 1:57:33.920 But you know, we're always like, well, seemed like at 1:57:33.960 --> 1:57:38.960 that time, especially like the industry devil, like this is right, 1:57:39.120 --> 1:57:42.000 but they kind of saw where the industry was gonna go, 1:57:42.640 --> 1:57:46.880 even if they didn't really fully know. They were. You 1:57:46.960 --> 1:57:50.600 gotta skate where the puck's about to go now. And 1:57:50.760 --> 1:57:53.360 for us, it was like, okay, Limp Biscuits asking us 1:57:53.480 --> 1:57:57.840 to play support role here you know, some great money, 1:57:57.920 --> 1:57:59.920 and we're like looking at it like it was all right, 1:58:00.520 --> 1:58:02.400 Um it was. It was more the fact that we 1:58:02.480 --> 1:58:04.360 were going to get it out in front of these fans, 1:58:04.720 --> 1:58:08.600 and like possibly when you guys obviously started, but it 1:58:08.680 --> 1:58:12.640 seems like you guys always understood the investment. You know 1:58:12.720 --> 1:58:14.920 what happens Like you might not get to show money 1:58:15.000 --> 1:58:19.839 that night, but your merch is gonna pop. You're publishing 1:58:19.920 --> 1:58:24.080 checks that are already crazy. I'm gonna pop because of 1:58:24.160 --> 1:58:26.080 that ship. You might have lost let a little bit 1:58:26.120 --> 1:58:28.680 of some for them shows for the intermediate, but for 1:58:28.760 --> 1:58:34.400 the long run, your's about the forever mailbox money just 1:58:34.680 --> 1:58:37.400 just there because you you sacrifice a little bit there, 1:58:37.480 --> 1:58:39.440 you know what I mean. So you've gotta understand, you 1:58:39.520 --> 1:58:42.960 gotta look at your whole thing system and just like 1:58:43.360 --> 1:58:46.000 invest your time and energy where it's where it's the 1:58:46.040 --> 1:58:48.640 best for you to create the energy to get the 1:58:48.720 --> 1:58:50.840 you know what I mean. And and the other thing was, 1:58:51.160 --> 1:58:53.520 you know, the competitive nature of it, right, being a 1:58:53.600 --> 1:58:57.760 hip hop group going with this this band that's very 1:58:57.840 --> 1:59:01.560 aggressive and holding ours within it, you know what I mean, 1:59:01.760 --> 1:59:05.440 like we carry it and because that's important to us, 1:59:05.520 --> 1:59:08.240 like we can we you can put us in any 1:59:08.440 --> 1:59:12.040 fucking scenario and we're gonna rip ship. We There's been 1:59:12.080 --> 1:59:15.160 shows that we did where it's like all metal and 1:59:15.240 --> 1:59:17.560 we're the only hip hop on there. And this is 1:59:17.640 --> 1:59:20.240 before we started kind of doing the fusion type ship 1:59:20.680 --> 1:59:23.480 and just still playing hip hop. And we're opening for 1:59:23.840 --> 1:59:27.360 or playing support for Metallica and a fucking metal metal 1:59:27.480 --> 1:59:31.600 festival and fucking Germany. There's bio Hazard, there's Fear Factory, 1:59:31.640 --> 1:59:34.680 there's Deaf Tones, there's Corn There's all these different groups 1:59:34.760 --> 1:59:39.680 there and we're in there, right and as representative of 1:59:39.880 --> 1:59:45.320 hip hops were hip hop, we're fucking killing it in 1:59:45.440 --> 1:59:47.840 the middle of all these fucking metal groups who you 1:59:47.880 --> 1:59:49.720 know a lot of these cats came to see and 1:59:49.960 --> 1:59:53.640 and converting them into Cypress Hill fans, and that that's 1:59:53.680 --> 1:59:57.040 been one of the gifts that we've had, that competitive 1:59:57.160 --> 2:00:00.040 spirit in us that we're gonna go out there and 2:00:00.160 --> 2:00:02.400 we're gonna make it hard for whoever is coming on. 2:00:03.240 --> 2:00:05.200 Like for me, there was all these motherfucker's that they 2:00:05.240 --> 2:00:07.880 started like they couldn't wrap, so they started getting making 2:00:07.960 --> 2:00:10.560 rock bands and it was wrapping on rock shit, but 2:00:10.680 --> 2:00:13.600 they couldn't wrap. So we was like, oh, check this out, 2:00:13.880 --> 2:00:16.360 which I had to do this ship real quick, you know. Yeah, 2:00:16.400 --> 2:00:19.800 and it's like we never had to have a big production, 2:00:19.960 --> 2:00:22.880 you know, all these crazy things on stage and everything 2:00:22.960 --> 2:00:25.200 like that in the props. We never had to do that, 2:00:25.440 --> 2:00:28.200 you know, and a lot of point you did. You had, 2:00:28.280 --> 2:00:33.520 like we had the skull on the backdrop for a 2:00:33.600 --> 2:00:36.320 long time and we tried to keep it like really 2:00:36.600 --> 2:00:40.200 like about our energy, right. And then there was the 2:00:40.280 --> 2:00:42.480 time we would take Buddha out with us and put 2:00:42.640 --> 2:00:45.400 him in front of the backdrop and holding that big 2:00:45.440 --> 2:00:48.640 gas leaf and you know, that was probably like the 2:00:49.280 --> 2:00:52.680 biggest stage figure that we ever had on stage. Next 2:00:53.000 --> 2:00:55.200 along with the King, we had a King that blew 2:00:55.320 --> 2:00:56.880 up and he was sitting on the drone with a 2:00:56.960 --> 2:01:02.440 big gass joint or split for whatever, and those, you know, 2:01:02.640 --> 2:01:05.000 those were the biggest sort of visuals that we ever 2:01:05.120 --> 2:01:07.400 had on stage with us, because for us, it was 2:01:07.440 --> 2:01:10.640 all about our energy. If we can't if we can't 2:01:10.760 --> 2:01:14.120 move the crowd on our energy alone and and not 2:01:14.320 --> 2:01:16.480 have all the fucking bells and whistles that you see 2:01:16.480 --> 2:01:19.440 a lot of groups spend a lot of production money on, 2:01:20.520 --> 2:01:22.720 then what the funk are we doing. If I can't 2:01:22.800 --> 2:01:25.480 rock a small if we can't rock a small club 2:01:26.320 --> 2:01:30.240 or a huge fucking house without all that ship, then 2:01:30.320 --> 2:01:32.680 what are we doing? And so we've always relied on 2:01:32.800 --> 2:01:34.840 our energy, and all that other ship is just you know, 2:01:35.720 --> 2:01:39.680 a visual to like be extra. So you know, we 2:01:39.840 --> 2:01:43.160 really we we really focused on light shows for a 2:01:43.240 --> 2:01:46.440 minute because we knew a lot of our fans pop 2:01:46.520 --> 2:01:49.720 shrooms before our show and would watch the show, so 2:01:49.880 --> 2:01:51.800 we gave him something to see, you know what I mean. 2:01:51.880 --> 2:01:55.360 But most of it is, you know, his energy on 2:01:55.440 --> 2:02:01.240 the turntables. His energy was before electronic music, like it was. 2:02:01.560 --> 2:02:04.480 We got the inspiration from psychedelic Rocket, you know, I 2:02:04.520 --> 2:02:07.960 mean from the sixties that that electronic music was weird 2:02:08.000 --> 2:02:10.720 for us growing up. Motherfucker's just like had high heels 2:02:10.800 --> 2:02:16.360 and some vaporizers on their nose. Never that ship was weird. 2:02:16.440 --> 2:02:26.600 We was like that ship is over there. You know 2:02:26.680 --> 2:02:31.200 what's crazy about the group is I could go to 2:02:31.320 --> 2:02:34.960 an all hardcore hip hop party the place type bizel. 2:02:36.080 --> 2:02:40.480 I can go to a soft party their place, sype 2:02:40.480 --> 2:02:43.040 of sales. I go to an all white party were 2:02:43.160 --> 2:02:46.320 literally it's only white people there, they're playing type of sales. 2:02:46.800 --> 2:02:50.560 I gotta go to any like you guys are universal group. 2:02:51.440 --> 2:02:53.720 Was that something that was calculated or was that something 2:02:53.800 --> 2:03:00.800 that was done by mistake? We just dead whatever the 2:03:00.920 --> 2:03:02.960 vibe was, you know, like you know it's it's it's 2:03:03.040 --> 2:03:06.040 like painting pictures. You know, mugs would make the beats 2:03:06.120 --> 2:03:09.400 and be like, yo, I hear this on this ship. 2:03:09.560 --> 2:03:13.200 So I would try to write what that was, and 2:03:13.280 --> 2:03:17.920 then you know same, you know, as we're constructing this 2:03:18.000 --> 2:03:21.320 ship is just working towards that goal of painting that 2:03:21.520 --> 2:03:25.960 fucking picture. Let me ask you how important it wasn't 2:03:25.960 --> 2:03:29.680 even important too to represent Latinos when you came out, 2:03:29.760 --> 2:03:32.400 like I always tell Nori when he when ceing n 2:03:32.520 --> 2:03:34.960 came on the scene, just him flipping those couple of 2:03:35.000 --> 2:03:37.480 Spanish words. Was it was it like a like a 2:03:37.560 --> 2:03:41.440 beacon for Latinos out there hip hop? You know? Yeah? 2:03:41.440 --> 2:03:49.520 Because but the thing is that what I try to 2:03:49.560 --> 2:03:52.480 explain to people, like, we never Latinos are part of 2:03:52.560 --> 2:03:57.080 hip hop culture, but you know, the DJs, the graffiti rs, 2:03:57.080 --> 2:03:59.280 the B boys, everything, we would never as much in 2:03:59.360 --> 2:04:03.800 the forefront for whatever reasons. And so for groups like 2:04:03.960 --> 2:04:06.800 you to come out, like did you guys know what 2:04:06.920 --> 2:04:09.600 you were doing? Like how much like what it could 2:04:09.640 --> 2:04:12.400 do for Latinos and hip hop? Not right away, you 2:04:12.440 --> 2:04:14.720 know what I mean? Like we uh, as far as 2:04:15.160 --> 2:04:19.480 me speaking, and I think that we were just more 2:04:19.560 --> 2:04:23.080 concentrated on being a solid hip hop band. And and 2:04:23.280 --> 2:04:26.080 since my brother had already done the Latino thing and 2:04:26.600 --> 2:04:28.480 and Frost and these these are all guys that we 2:04:28.640 --> 2:04:31.440 rolled with, you know what I mean, And I kind 2:04:31.440 --> 2:04:34.040 of felt like we needed to be we need to separate, 2:04:34.960 --> 2:04:38.800 right But at the same time, um, it was coming. 2:04:38.920 --> 2:04:40.920 It was showing through, was coming through in the vocals, 2:04:41.560 --> 2:04:43.320 you know, and you could tell it kind of over, 2:04:43.600 --> 2:04:48.040 which is what exactly, well exactly and and and when 2:04:48.080 --> 2:04:49.400 I look back at it, I think it was a 2:04:49.520 --> 2:04:52.200 very important move to you know, to be on there 2:04:52.240 --> 2:04:54.360 on that level, because you know, it opened up to 2:04:55.160 --> 2:04:59.280 not just America or whatever, it opened up to the hope, Well, 2:04:59.400 --> 2:05:02.200 what's crazy is that, you know, we got signed from 2:05:02.400 --> 2:05:06.640 an all Spanish song that um Send Dog had done 2:05:06.920 --> 2:05:11.360 right called No it's called Caliente something like this, right, 2:05:12.040 --> 2:05:14.440 and you know that's what I got to sign, but 2:05:20.320 --> 2:05:22.720 obviously wouldn't end up using it. But like you know, 2:05:22.920 --> 2:05:26.280 they saw the potential in an a Latino hip hop group, 2:05:26.360 --> 2:05:28.840 which there wasn't at the time, and we happened to 2:05:28.920 --> 2:05:32.360 be Latino's you know what I mean, And so they 2:05:32.480 --> 2:05:35.200 thought we're gonna lean on that, and we were like, nah, 2:05:35.440 --> 2:05:38.640 don't put us in that box. We're gonna sprinkle ship. 2:05:39.440 --> 2:05:42.280 We're gonna sprinkle our ship like mugs would say. You know, 2:05:42.320 --> 2:05:46.200 We're gonna just sprinkle little pieces of it because realistically 2:05:46.280 --> 2:05:50.080 there's no market for that, and we're gonna be was 2:05:51.360 --> 2:05:54.320 I mean, like you came out like you marketed yourself 2:05:54.360 --> 2:05:57.800 as Latino and then like, let's make dope music. You 2:05:57.840 --> 2:05:59.560 don't even need to know what we look like. We're 2:05:59.600 --> 2:06:02.480 gonna do like this, hence the mystery of the music. 2:06:04.160 --> 2:06:06.800 Here's the music, you know what I mean, boom, and 2:06:06.880 --> 2:06:09.200 we sprinkled it with lots of ship because it is 2:06:09.280 --> 2:06:11.080 a part of who we are, you know what I mean. 2:06:11.280 --> 2:06:12.960 You know, you don't lean on it like this is 2:06:13.080 --> 2:06:19.360 my life because because at that time, if you were Latino, 2:06:19.480 --> 2:06:22.200 you were expected to sound like either Frost or Mellow, 2:06:22.600 --> 2:06:25.680 and we weren't that, and we weren't going yeah, and 2:06:25.760 --> 2:06:28.440 we weren't going to allow anyone to box us in 2:06:28.640 --> 2:06:30.480 like that because we were we were trying to make 2:06:30.640 --> 2:06:35.240 hip hop music, not Latino hip hop. And in doing 2:06:35.360 --> 2:06:38.360 that and saying, you know, don't market us this way, 2:06:38.840 --> 2:06:41.240 market us as a hip hop group, we opened the 2:06:41.320 --> 2:06:44.120 doors for other Latinos because we showed what Latinos can 2:06:44.200 --> 2:06:47.720 do just without a fucking label, just being a hip 2:06:47.760 --> 2:06:49.920 hop group, you know, and that's a label in itself, 2:06:50.000 --> 2:06:52.560 but it was representing hip hop because you weren't overtly 2:06:52.640 --> 2:06:56.680 trying to be Latinos, were just being hip hop being Latino. 2:06:57.040 --> 2:07:01.280 It's a difference. And we never really we never really 2:07:01.440 --> 2:07:03.960 played to it heavy. It was just sprinkles. It was 2:07:04.040 --> 2:07:06.600 like the Weed songs. It wasn't like ship like we 2:07:06.800 --> 2:07:09.280 planned it. You know. It was like whatever mugs gave me, 2:07:09.360 --> 2:07:11.240 if it spoke to me this way, this is the 2:07:11.320 --> 2:07:14.160 way I'm going right, So that's that's the way the 2:07:14.280 --> 2:07:17.640 Latino ship was. All this ship sounds like, and you know, 2:07:17.880 --> 2:07:20.040 we come from a different part of that. He's nice 2:07:20.040 --> 2:07:21.960 for a Latino that's used to say things like that, 2:07:22.160 --> 2:07:25.440 and I'm nice for period, like, oh like he's nice, 2:07:25.520 --> 2:07:27.320 but he's nice for a Latino, you know what I'm saying, 2:07:27.360 --> 2:07:30.440 Like they used to say ship like that. I think 2:07:30.480 --> 2:07:33.440 I think you guys transcended that. And I think with 2:07:33.880 --> 2:07:42.120 Debt all was puny because my man right there and 2:07:42.280 --> 2:07:47.120 Joe as well. Yes, but but you know, and saluted 2:07:47.200 --> 2:07:49.600 Joe man flowers to my man that before I walked down, 2:07:49.840 --> 2:07:52.040 Joe called me, I forget what you called me about. 2:07:52.080 --> 2:07:54.520 This was crazy because I was so studying y'all and 2:07:54.600 --> 2:07:55.920 I was like trying to get him what he was like. 2:07:56.000 --> 2:07:58.400 And I said, yeah, I'm about the interview type of sales. 2:07:58.440 --> 2:07:59.960 He said, well, those are the only guys I look 2:08:00.080 --> 2:08:06.080 up to. Joe is my man. He's we've always been 2:08:06.200 --> 2:08:08.080 locked in, man. You know, he asked me to get 2:08:08.120 --> 2:08:10.760 on on a record with him, punning Coogi Rapp and 2:08:10.880 --> 2:08:17.040 that was like, wow, it was still not a player joint. Yeah, 2:08:18.040 --> 2:08:20.880 coming up, but you know, it's so salute to my 2:08:20.960 --> 2:08:23.680 man Joe, and there's much respect. But pun was a 2:08:23.800 --> 2:08:26.720 different animal. You know what I'm saying in terms of 2:08:26.880 --> 2:08:29.800 being an m C and a writer and a stylist, 2:08:30.000 --> 2:08:34.320 Like a lot of motherfucker's are not doing ship unless 2:08:34.640 --> 2:08:38.160 they hurt his style. And you know, I foxed with 2:08:38.320 --> 2:08:40.840 pun in that way because he was stylish, like with 2:08:41.000 --> 2:08:46.560 his flippage, his burbage and just he was rest in peace. Man. 2:08:46.640 --> 2:08:48.200 He was one. He was one of the best. He 2:08:48.240 --> 2:08:54.160 don't get enough flower, one of the best. Told me 2:08:54.200 --> 2:08:56.080 to say something. Do you remember what you were saying, 2:08:56.640 --> 2:09:01.160 you were gonna say something, you were saying something, Remember, right, 2:09:01.200 --> 2:09:06.920 you got anything? Then? You know. Um on the Latino thing, 2:09:07.200 --> 2:09:09.520 I think it kind of also hit when we went 2:09:09.600 --> 2:09:13.840 to places like South America and they love hip hop, 2:09:14.520 --> 2:09:17.320 but Cypus Hill gave them something that they can relate to, 2:09:19.200 --> 2:09:22.800 they can understand and they can they can relate and 2:09:23.240 --> 2:09:26.280 doing like when we did this the Spanish album, that 2:09:26.480 --> 2:09:29.160 was like for them. It's like, oh my god, they're 2:09:29.160 --> 2:09:31.680 really like listening to us. You know that this is 2:09:31.760 --> 2:09:35.240 for us. And when we do like I want to 2:09:35.280 --> 2:09:39.440 get High in Spanish, they're singing the hook. I mean 2:09:39.600 --> 2:09:41.840 he doesn't even have to he doesn't even have to 2:09:41.880 --> 2:09:48.960 sing the hook. Are you about to cry no, but 2:09:49.120 --> 2:09:51.920 but they don't, you know, they sing the hook because 2:09:52.000 --> 2:09:55.320 it's it's like something like wow, you know they got it, 2:09:55.440 --> 2:09:56.880 you know because a lot of them they're not speaking 2:09:56.920 --> 2:10:01.200 in English, but they love hip hop. Was crazy seeing that, like, 2:10:01.520 --> 2:10:04.720 you know, before we even did our Spanish um album 2:10:04.840 --> 2:10:08.320 or rep whatever you want to call it, to go 2:10:08.680 --> 2:10:12.880 in in these Spanish speaking countries and them, you know, 2:10:13.240 --> 2:10:16.360 singing songs all in English. They don't know what the 2:10:16.480 --> 2:10:19.640 funk or maybe they got some sort of translation on it, 2:10:19.760 --> 2:10:21.520 but it's a lot of slang, so how do you 2:10:21.640 --> 2:10:25.200 properly translate that? Right? But to see them singing the 2:10:25.280 --> 2:10:31.360 songs and you know, for us that album, that Spanish album, right, 2:10:31.600 --> 2:10:34.360 that was that was our play and saying you know what, 2:10:34.600 --> 2:10:38.080 we know we got a Latino fan base. We're gonna 2:10:38.160 --> 2:10:42.080 fucking smash one for him, right yeah, And we didn't 2:10:42.120 --> 2:10:46.440 really know how, yeah, well it would be received because 2:10:47.000 --> 2:10:50.400 like the way they send sand Dog and I Flipped 2:10:50.480 --> 2:10:53.240 in Spanish in Los Angeles, it's a different sort of 2:10:54.720 --> 2:10:57.879 it's a hybrid, you know what I mean. So like everywhere, 2:10:58.560 --> 2:11:01.400 like anywhere, it has but it's not matter because everybody's 2:11:01.440 --> 2:11:05.720 just gonna write it's representative that. So we didn't know that. 2:11:06.200 --> 2:11:08.640 We were just doing the ship and when it hit 2:11:08.760 --> 2:11:11.320 in South America and it hit in Spain and it 2:11:12.920 --> 2:11:15.120 you know, in Central America. Man, we were like, oh 2:11:15.200 --> 2:11:17.320 ship and then you're like, it's a whole another career 2:11:17.400 --> 2:11:21.480 that just opened up that wasn't there yesterday like that. Yeah, 2:11:22.160 --> 2:11:25.760 the fucking birth like and all that, like you and us. 2:11:26.240 --> 2:11:27.840 You know, I was aout to say you. I was 2:11:27.840 --> 2:11:29.200 just want to say that because you know, I still 2:11:29.320 --> 2:11:31.520 always take advantage of that. I did reggae throw and 2:11:31.600 --> 2:11:33.840 I would be like we would go to like hip 2:11:33.880 --> 2:11:36.280 hop spots and then I would not the Spanish people 2:11:36.320 --> 2:11:38.440 when they build it up like I'm taking full advantage. 2:11:39.640 --> 2:11:47.080 I'm taking I remember one year, Um I had the 2:11:47.120 --> 2:11:52.480 port of e Read and um it was me, Jada 2:11:52.600 --> 2:11:57.560 Kiss and somebody else and I broke out. So so 2:11:57.600 --> 2:12:05.160 I broke out Nina Sky, Daddy, Joe, everybody. And if 2:12:05.200 --> 2:12:10.960 I get everybody like yeah, I mean I take full advantage. 2:12:10.960 --> 2:12:13.200 And I remember, you know I did some ship with 2:12:13.440 --> 2:12:19.640 with Tony Touch. Salute to the many documents. When we 2:12:19.720 --> 2:12:23.520 made the cup, we did interview for it made the cut. 2:12:23.560 --> 2:12:31.000 But I've seen people posted props document you understanding. So 2:12:31.200 --> 2:12:34.200 I've done many collaborations with you know what I mean, 2:12:34.280 --> 2:12:36.680 that's one of my good friends. You to your motherfucker. 2:12:37.880 --> 2:12:40.400 And you know, so I did this joint with him 2:12:40.440 --> 2:12:44.400 and Nina Sky, and you know, he wanted to film 2:12:44.440 --> 2:12:46.520 a video for it. I'm like, oh, hell yeah, he's 2:12:46.640 --> 2:12:49.560 all fly to New York, poppy. You know what I'm saying. 2:12:49.600 --> 2:12:51.880 I got you. So I go out there and we 2:12:52.000 --> 2:12:56.200 do it and it's for Puerto Rican Day parade, and yeah, 2:12:56.520 --> 2:12:59.480 it was wild. We don't have that ship in l A. 2:12:59.640 --> 2:13:01.680 So like it was just another experience. It's like when 2:13:06.840 --> 2:13:15.640 it's not that it's not the same thing, the same thing, 2:13:16.120 --> 2:13:18.640 and you know, mugs would give me experiences and ship 2:13:18.800 --> 2:13:20.880 like this. But like Tony asked me to come out 2:13:20.960 --> 2:13:23.480 to do the video for for that ship, and you 2:13:23.600 --> 2:13:27.200 know it was fucking amazing. And then Fat Joe comes 2:13:27.240 --> 2:13:31.280 through on his float. He got the flies in the 2:13:31.720 --> 2:13:34.760 Puerto Rican they parade. It was like nothing, man, you know, 2:13:34.920 --> 2:13:37.160 Like that's that's the cool thing about New York, man, 2:13:37.560 --> 2:13:43.360 is it has like party out. You've got cultures, got 2:13:43.440 --> 2:13:46.720 man cultures s. Every culture is thick and celebrated You 2:13:46.760 --> 2:13:48.920 know what's funny about the parade. My father used to 2:13:48.960 --> 2:13:51.480 make me ride the train and I used to sit 2:13:51.560 --> 2:13:54.400 on this cooler and he's made don't get up to cooler, 2:13:54.960 --> 2:13:56.880 and then I would sit on the cooler and then 2:13:56.920 --> 2:13:59.800 we will make it to the actual We gotta get 2:13:59.800 --> 2:14:01.680 there only to get a spot. So you gotta get 2:14:01.720 --> 2:14:05.080 there like around seven seven some thirty eight. So I've 2:14:05.240 --> 2:14:07.400 opened up the cooler and my father will have me 2:14:07.440 --> 2:14:14.280 selling beers. I swear to God, seven years old, nothing 2:14:14.400 --> 2:14:22.960 wrong with this selling beers and man had at the 2:14:23.000 --> 2:14:36.000 point of raided seven years how much right having practs 2:14:36.000 --> 2:14:37.600 because back then you should get a bear for a ball, 2:14:37.720 --> 2:14:39.400 you know what I mean. It's like if you're going 2:14:39.440 --> 2:14:43.240 to a basketball game, that beer for like twelve bucks. Yeah, 2:14:43.480 --> 2:14:45.760 it might be five at this point. Yeah, she is 2:14:45.760 --> 2:14:48.760 crazy 'all here. So what made you I want to 2:14:48.800 --> 2:14:52.120 do this documentary? I think the history of it all 2:14:52.240 --> 2:14:54.560 is important, you know what I mean, because we were 2:14:54.760 --> 2:14:58.280 the the kids we were. We were the kids that 2:14:58.920 --> 2:15:00.760 everybody had caught it out, you know what I mean, 2:15:01.080 --> 2:15:04.800 no point of view. Wee know I'm talking about from 2:15:04.800 --> 2:15:10.080 the original reception. But he was off, you know, doing 2:15:10.160 --> 2:15:13.880 some hardcore game bang and stuff. I was working warehouses, 2:15:14.240 --> 2:15:18.120 hadn't met Bobo yet. Muggs was always the driven one 2:15:18.960 --> 2:15:23.000 trying to you know, you know, go get him. You know, 2:15:23.120 --> 2:15:28.720 we need him freezing. He was already us before that 2:15:28.840 --> 2:15:31.480 group and and you know so that but that group 2:15:31.640 --> 2:15:35.120 was the entry into the game, you know what I mean. 2:15:35.400 --> 2:15:38.560 And because we were already boys before then, you know, 2:15:38.680 --> 2:15:42.600 Julio g salute to him, you know what I mean. 2:15:42.880 --> 2:15:45.840 And you know, we were like minded individuals, all of us. 2:15:46.360 --> 2:15:49.160 The type of ship we listened to aside from hip 2:15:49.200 --> 2:15:52.640 hop before hip hop and hip hop, you know that 2:15:52.800 --> 2:15:55.440 this is like something we all had in common. And uh, 2:15:55.680 --> 2:15:57.800 you know that's how we met Muggs was was through 2:15:57.880 --> 2:16:01.040 Julio and ship like that. So for a second, like, um, 2:16:01.680 --> 2:16:04.280 like how did you how did you hook up with Julio? Uh? 2:16:04.800 --> 2:16:09.600 I was you're bigger Julio. I had a homeboy in 2:16:09.960 --> 2:16:12.480 Bell Gardens that had a cousin and knew Julio and 2:16:12.560 --> 2:16:19.560 I was d Jane, but he wasn't was about some 2:16:19.680 --> 2:16:22.320 freestyle ship and it was all Latino. You know, all 2:16:22.360 --> 2:16:24.520 the neighbors was lat you know what we was sped 2:16:29.760 --> 2:16:31.400 at the party and that was the hip hop he played. 2:16:31.480 --> 2:16:34.120 So I was I was on some hip hop and 2:16:34.200 --> 2:16:36.120 he was like, Yo, my my cousin's homing. He's on 2:16:36.160 --> 2:16:38.360 some hip hop ship. So I went to this club. 2:16:38.840 --> 2:16:41.080 It was a Capri, right, yeah, this club called a 2:16:41.160 --> 2:16:43.800 Capri right there, but right right right where they lived 2:16:43.840 --> 2:16:46.120 and ship. So I went over there, met Julio and 2:16:46.240 --> 2:16:49.480 then kicked with Julio for about a year d Jane 2:16:49.560 --> 2:16:51.440 and then one day he was like, you want to 2:16:51.440 --> 2:16:53.359 bring these dudes over. We need to make a cassette 2:16:53.400 --> 2:16:56.320 cool And I was like, pull up, and then he came, 2:16:56.800 --> 2:17:03.160 your brother came. How did y'all go with Julio that? Well, 2:17:03.440 --> 2:17:06.600 Julio was you know, he went to south Gate High 2:17:06.920 --> 2:17:11.320 with yeah, with with Sin Dog's brother and and so 2:17:11.480 --> 2:17:14.200 we knew Julio through and he was, you know, in 2:17:14.280 --> 2:17:16.680 the B boys circles over there. Man, he was nice 2:17:16.720 --> 2:17:19.000 on the floor, but so was Bugs Mugs a beast 2:17:19.080 --> 2:17:23.800 on the motherfucking for my different story, but you know, 2:17:23.879 --> 2:17:27.560 we knew Julio through through uh through Mellow, you know, 2:17:27.680 --> 2:17:30.520 and they were both into the hip hop ship, you know, 2:17:30.760 --> 2:17:33.240 be boying and all that stuff before we got into rapid. 2:17:33.920 --> 2:17:35.760 You know what I mean, and so that's how we 2:17:35.840 --> 2:17:38.560 knew Julio, and Julio eventually transitioned out of the B 2:17:38.680 --> 2:17:41.360 Boys shipped into the turntables, you know what I mean. 2:17:41.720 --> 2:17:45.680 And and um, you know that's when these two guys met, 2:17:45.720 --> 2:17:48.680 when they both transitioned transitioned out of the B Boys 2:17:48.680 --> 2:17:52.160 shipped into you know, getting on the turntables and doing ship. 2:17:52.440 --> 2:17:55.000 And so we knew Julio for a while, you know 2:17:55.040 --> 2:17:59.400 what I mean. Um, we saw him go from you know, 2:18:00.360 --> 2:18:04.280 doing doing breakdown shipped into going to turntables and eventually 2:18:04.400 --> 2:18:06.960 going to k which was the hip hop station in 2:18:07.200 --> 2:18:09.480 l A at the time. And it's like, you know 2:18:09.520 --> 2:18:11.400 how there is a certain clubs and the certain parties 2:18:11.440 --> 2:18:13.080 in that neighborhood, right and we're all going to those 2:18:13.120 --> 2:18:15.480 clubs and parties and you see my fucker's like going 2:18:15.560 --> 2:18:19.320 through their stages and ship and and you know, so Julio, 2:18:19.920 --> 2:18:22.680 we saw him go through all that, and uh, you 2:18:22.760 --> 2:18:26.800 know when we were just sort of doing this ship 2:18:26.879 --> 2:18:29.480 at as a hobby, he you know, them them too 2:18:29.600 --> 2:18:33.080 met and were fully felt like this time we didn't know, 2:18:33.440 --> 2:18:35.920 we didn't know who who he was too young, he 2:18:36.000 --> 2:18:39.160 was he was that was this was like in what 2:18:39.360 --> 2:18:45.520 eighties seven six, I was sixteen years old. We was 2:18:45.600 --> 2:18:47.560 kicking in the eighty six and our first record came 2:18:47.560 --> 2:18:51.720 out of and so we was kicking it. Yeah. They 2:18:53.080 --> 2:18:57.480 actually went to high school together, right, so so we 2:18:57.720 --> 2:19:01.120 were always aware of his of him in the area. Right. 2:19:01.640 --> 2:19:04.720 So when we first started, you know, doing the rap thing, 2:19:05.560 --> 2:19:08.840 the only other guy in Salgate High School that DJ 2:19:10.000 --> 2:19:13.440 was Julio G. Yeah, And Julio was Mellow's DJ. And 2:19:13.520 --> 2:19:16.520 when he got on with Mentetosa and all that, like 2:19:16.640 --> 2:19:21.199 for his most Mellows run, it was Julio GA. Yeah 2:19:21.640 --> 2:19:25.480 and yeah as his DJ. And and Tony G was 2:19:26.120 --> 2:19:30.440 you know, his his like the guy that that Julio 2:19:30.720 --> 2:19:32.800 was like apprentice to you know what I mean, Like 2:19:32.920 --> 2:19:36.000 Tony was like the master at the fucking time. We 2:19:36.120 --> 2:19:38.480 all looked up to Tony G. And you know, Julio 2:19:38.560 --> 2:19:40.680 G came from Tony, you know what I'm saying. So 2:19:41.760 --> 2:19:44.920 and we you know, we went that far back with Julio, 2:19:45.160 --> 2:19:47.080 you know, And that's why he even spent time on 2:19:47.240 --> 2:19:50.480 tour with us like DJ. And you know what I'm saying, Um, 2:19:50.600 --> 2:19:57.520 So salute to Julio G. If it wasn't for Julio. 2:19:57.680 --> 2:20:00.280 We don't meet mugs and there's no fucking Cyprus. Yeah, 2:20:00.320 --> 2:20:03.160 there's there's that connection that all of a sudden happened 2:20:03.200 --> 2:20:10.880 one year and yeah, and Julio was from Linwood. It 2:20:11.000 --> 2:20:15.680 was from South Catia. We was kicking it and then 2:20:15.760 --> 2:20:18.920 one day we had a homeboy named Eli. He was like, yeah, 2:20:18.920 --> 2:20:21.480 I met these two dudes from New York called Breton 2:20:21.520 --> 2:20:24.840 Seawn from seven eight three. It was these two kids 2:20:24.879 --> 2:20:27.480 from East New York from Linden Projects in East New York. 2:20:27.520 --> 2:20:29.400 And it was signed with Iced Tea. And then I 2:20:29.480 --> 2:20:32.879 got down with them and it was signed Nice Tea. 2:20:33.480 --> 2:20:35.360 And then we were throwing the party in East l A. 2:20:35.440 --> 2:20:38.920 And they came and he was like, Hey, you want 2:20:38.920 --> 2:20:40.280 to do a show with us. We're throwing a party 2:20:40.280 --> 2:20:42.880 in East and they came and then um, eventually I 2:20:42.959 --> 2:20:45.840 got with them, put out a record with them on Colors, 2:20:46.240 --> 2:20:49.720 the Color Sounds track. Yeah, and then um we went 2:20:49.760 --> 2:20:52.120 out and put out the album and Ship and you know, 2:20:52.400 --> 2:20:55.600 and those are some of the homies too. He was 2:20:55.640 --> 2:20:57.960 down with Raps the Kid at one point, right Syndicate, 2:20:59.560 --> 2:21:03.360 Iced Tea rom Syndicate, Um that group seven eight three 2:21:03.440 --> 2:21:06.720 was down with Ron syndicate, so um we we we 2:21:06.920 --> 2:21:08.960 was down with Iced Tea. He was like a little 2:21:09.040 --> 2:21:10.640 older homie, you know what I mean, putting us up 2:21:10.680 --> 2:21:13.200 on game talking ship, letting us know us up. He's like, 2:21:13.280 --> 2:21:15.600 you want to be in this rap game, y'all want 2:21:15.600 --> 2:21:17.119 to hang out and like flex in front of these 2:21:17.160 --> 2:21:18.600 bitches and ship, you know what I mean. Yeah, y'all, 2:21:18.640 --> 2:21:20.800 motherfucker's don't even put in the motherfucking work, you know 2:21:20.800 --> 2:21:23.360 I mean, putting the motherfucking work HOMEI you gotta show 2:21:23.440 --> 2:21:25.040 up to the ship eight hours a day, like a 2:21:25.120 --> 2:21:26.720 fucking job if you think you want to get money. 2:21:28.240 --> 2:21:30.480 And like eighties seven and I was, I was a 2:21:30.520 --> 2:21:34.160 little kid, like, hey man, we gotta put in this 2:21:34.280 --> 2:21:36.000 fucking work. You know. If we're gonna get this ship, 2:21:37.600 --> 2:21:39.640 this ain't like a little a little hobby or something. 2:21:39.800 --> 2:21:41.320 If we're gonna do this ship, we're gonna do it right. 2:21:41.320 --> 2:21:43.120 We need to put the working like it's a nine 2:21:43.200 --> 2:21:45.360 to five, you know what I mean. And then he 2:21:45.560 --> 2:21:49.880 was always closest to the sources, so we'd absorbed from him, no, 2:21:51.000 --> 2:21:53.640 because he'd be with like Ice and them, you know 2:21:53.680 --> 2:21:57.760 what I mean. Absorbed. The music industry was small back then, 2:21:57.840 --> 2:21:59.600 you know, there was nothing. There was like there was 2:21:59.640 --> 2:22:02.120 no access to a record label. You had to know 2:22:02.320 --> 2:22:04.720 homie either knew a homie or I knew you that 2:22:04.800 --> 2:22:07.160 knew somebody at the label. But that was it. There 2:22:07.200 --> 2:22:09.240 wasn't there wasn't a shortcut to the label. And I 2:22:09.320 --> 2:22:11.720 got a big up Brett b you know what I'm saying, 2:22:11.720 --> 2:22:14.160 because he actually taught me how to write a song. 2:22:14.320 --> 2:22:16.320 I went, you know, I was writing raps before and 2:22:16.400 --> 2:22:19.560 I was pretty good at writing, but like I didn't 2:22:19.600 --> 2:22:23.520 know shit about writing songs and he knew that, you know, 2:22:23.720 --> 2:22:26.920 back then and rapped. There wasn't hooks yet was rapping, 2:22:27.000 --> 2:22:31.440 so it was like hooks like bridges making songs, making 2:22:31.480 --> 2:22:36.080 records like another another music genres they were doing that, 2:22:36.280 --> 2:22:38.560 you know, but in hip hop it wasn't so prevalent, right, 2:22:38.720 --> 2:22:41.720 So you know the one thing about Brett is he 2:22:41.800 --> 2:22:44.160 showed me how to break those pieces down, you know 2:22:44.200 --> 2:22:45.760 what I mean, because like I didn't know how to 2:22:45.800 --> 2:22:50.160 write a song up until you know, we I think 2:22:50.200 --> 2:22:54.440 it was I think maybe hand on the pump like 2:22:54.760 --> 2:22:57.560 was like the key in where I was like, oh 2:22:57.760 --> 2:23:00.480 I get it now, you know what I mean? In 2:23:00.600 --> 2:23:03.120 our demos in our in all our demos, like, and 2:23:03.240 --> 2:23:05.800 we did a lot their ship that you know, people 2:23:05.800 --> 2:23:07.840 would trip out on because we don't even sound like 2:23:08.600 --> 2:23:11.960 us at that point. But you know, at a point 2:23:12.040 --> 2:23:14.960 where we snapped in right hand on the Pump was 2:23:15.000 --> 2:23:17.960 one of the songs where Brett like we co wrote 2:23:18.040 --> 2:23:20.200 that song. He took lead, but I co wrote it, 2:23:20.959 --> 2:23:24.960 and that sort of gave me the oh, this is 2:23:25.000 --> 2:23:28.560 how you write a structure, right, And so I started instructuring, 2:23:29.000 --> 2:23:32.760 structuring all my writing after this. And man, if it 2:23:32.920 --> 2:23:36.080 wasn't for that experience with fucking Brett, I would have 2:23:36.160 --> 2:23:39.040 never never learned how to write a song. So salute 2:23:39.080 --> 2:23:43.000 to you, Brett. What I'm saying, So you guys marketed 2:23:43.080 --> 2:23:47.000 yourself as like the rap chech Chong, right, I don't 2:23:47.000 --> 2:23:52.600 know if I pronounced, But how dope was it for 2:23:52.680 --> 2:23:54.920 them to embrace y'all like because you have seen him 2:23:54.920 --> 2:23:57.840 on the dog like at the being that had joke. 2:23:58.800 --> 2:24:04.480 It wasn't like, you know, your friends broke into their 2:24:04.520 --> 2:24:10.400 house kids growing up, you know, teaching chunk movies or 2:24:10.480 --> 2:24:14.480 everything for us kids in the south Gate, and I 2:24:14.560 --> 2:24:17.320 wanted to be like them, led to all this ship here. 2:24:18.720 --> 2:24:21.360 So it's kind of very I received it very well, 2:24:21.400 --> 2:24:23.680 and I was very grateful, you know. You know, for me, 2:24:23.800 --> 2:24:26.560 it wasn't more like not necessarily being like them, because 2:24:26.600 --> 2:24:28.880 we're not like them, you know what I mean. But 2:24:29.200 --> 2:24:34.480 but but it was representing the way they did unapologetically 2:24:34.720 --> 2:24:38.760 rebellious style and they didn't really care what people thought, 2:24:39.000 --> 2:24:41.600 you know what I'm saying. So we said we're going 2:24:41.640 --> 2:24:43.720 to be that because this is who it is who 2:24:43.800 --> 2:24:46.560 we are. And you know, they were definitely an inspiration 2:24:46.600 --> 2:24:50.240 because we all grew up to their movies. We was 2:24:50.320 --> 2:24:53.879 like on the corner drinking, smoking, doing whatever right there, 2:24:53.959 --> 2:24:55.080 you know what I mean. And he was like, let's 2:24:55.080 --> 2:24:56.600 just go on the studio and do the same ship, 2:24:57.520 --> 2:24:59.800 start making records. It was like all the money is better, right. 2:25:01.120 --> 2:25:05.240 And meeting Teach and Chong. I mean, I think that's 2:25:05.240 --> 2:25:07.039 the part, because you know, people could have been like, well, 2:25:07.520 --> 2:25:09.240 these kids are kind of like kind of trying to 2:25:09.280 --> 2:25:11.800 be like us up, but they didn't do that. They 2:25:11.840 --> 2:25:15.160 actually embraced Yeah, that's what's dope about. They were actually 2:25:15.240 --> 2:25:18.760 on two of our albums. They did um intro pieces 2:25:18.920 --> 2:25:22.240 or like you know, transition pieces or you know, sketches 2:25:22.360 --> 2:25:25.160 or whatever, and Like I remember the first time we 2:25:25.320 --> 2:25:28.440 did some ship with them, I couldn't keep it together. 2:25:28.520 --> 2:25:30.560 I was laughing the whole time and I blew the 2:25:30.680 --> 2:25:35.800 session because Chong was hilariously funny. You know what I'm saying. Um, 2:25:36.160 --> 2:25:40.720 I know that's redundant, but he was. Um. But having 2:25:40.800 --> 2:25:43.400 them say, yes, right, what We've been praising them the 2:25:43.480 --> 2:25:46.640 whole time and you know, sort of referencing them in lines, 2:25:46.760 --> 2:25:49.440 and then like you know, Red and everybody else did 2:25:49.520 --> 2:25:52.880 after that, Um, you know, it was everything to have 2:25:53.080 --> 2:25:56.199 them come and do sketches for us and be funny 2:25:56.320 --> 2:25:59.560 for us, and then develop a relationship with them because 2:25:59.600 --> 2:26:02.240 I didn't eating greets with Chong and you know, sat 2:26:02.360 --> 2:26:05.040 with both of them and in different places that we've 2:26:05.080 --> 2:26:07.840 all done that with them, and they really embraced us, 2:26:07.920 --> 2:26:10.520 you know what I mean. So, you know, to have 2:26:10.800 --> 2:26:14.080 like guys that influenced us be like that, you know, 2:26:14.280 --> 2:26:16.400 funk man. I mean, there's there's no words that can 2:26:16.440 --> 2:26:19.320 really describe that. It's sort of like Chuck d I mean, 2:26:19.400 --> 2:26:22.720 we grew up fucking with Public Enemy like it was 2:26:22.760 --> 2:26:25.320 one of our biggest influences. And to be able to 2:26:25.400 --> 2:26:29.760 work with them and embrace it, Yes, it's it's surreal. 2:26:29.879 --> 2:26:32.320 But with Cheach and Chong, I mean they they were 2:26:32.360 --> 2:26:36.200 one of the biggest influences in terms of the cannabis representations. 2:26:36.320 --> 2:26:39.840 So for them to embrace us and say, yeah, these 2:26:39.920 --> 2:26:43.640 motherfucker's are the guys, we funk with them. Everybody else 2:26:43.720 --> 2:26:46.480 that was in that industry funked with us at them. 2:26:46.720 --> 2:26:49.960 You know, at that point, did you ever have a 2:26:50.000 --> 2:26:54.360 smoke off with them that needs to happen? Maybe back 2:26:54.400 --> 2:26:56.200 in their younger days they smoked a lot, but like 2:26:56.360 --> 2:26:59.520 I think one of them a smoke them one of them, yeah, 2:26:59.600 --> 2:27:01.880 well they they they sort of sort of smoke, but 2:27:02.000 --> 2:27:04.080 it could out smoke be real coome man, who's gonna 2:27:04.160 --> 2:27:06.000 smoke your body? Fucking with me and got my money 2:27:06.040 --> 2:27:14.320 on any of the house. You know, all the guys 2:27:14.879 --> 2:27:18.039 that we know as the big smoke or smoke a lot, right, 2:27:18.760 --> 2:27:21.560 either they smoke a lot of joints, or they smoke 2:27:21.600 --> 2:27:24.640 a lot of blunts, or might one might do a 2:27:24.720 --> 2:27:27.280 lot of dab hits or this or that, right, I 2:27:27.400 --> 2:27:32.720 do it all so like you know in the realm 2:27:32.800 --> 2:27:35.920 of of of of the homies where we all smoke heavy. 2:27:36.440 --> 2:27:39.160 I mean, we can all smoke flour together like you know, 2:27:39.400 --> 2:27:42.160 and Hank, you know, as many joints as I could smoke, 2:27:42.640 --> 2:27:46.359 Burner and Snoop could smoke as many smoked as a currency. 2:27:46.440 --> 2:27:49.360 All the guys, right, they're all pros. They would just 2:27:49.480 --> 2:27:52.760 be one big smoke session. But the guys who could 2:27:52.800 --> 2:27:59.640 do everything, that's that's that's Whizzing myself. You know, I'm 2:27:59.640 --> 2:28:02.440 saying we do it all like. So, if it's edibles, 2:28:02.480 --> 2:28:05.640 we funk with that. If it's if it's the dabs, 2:28:05.760 --> 2:28:09.400 we do that. If it's the flowers smoking, we do 2:28:09.600 --> 2:28:12.160 all that. So really, you know, Whiz is like a 2:28:12.280 --> 2:28:15.840 fucking monster, like I am, I don't do all of that. 2:28:19.280 --> 2:28:25.000 The other day on dream chance that was true, we 2:28:25.160 --> 2:28:29.600 used to doom stage, but that was shool like row shooms, 2:28:29.640 --> 2:28:34.040 that was chocolate all that I like. But this crew 2:28:34.240 --> 2:28:36.360 right here, we used to do shrooms on stage. We 2:28:36.560 --> 2:28:43.600 pop like maybe an eighth of shrooms. And yeah, the 2:28:43.720 --> 2:28:51.200 documentary we got offended by that. Oh yeah, we were 2:28:51.240 --> 2:28:55.240 doing we were doing this place, and we were doing 2:28:55.320 --> 2:28:58.320 this place called Casamino Real, right and and it's a 2:28:58.480 --> 2:29:01.560 it's a spot that was legend area and early hip 2:29:01.640 --> 2:29:07.880 hop in Los Angeles. A lot bangers and everything, right, 2:29:08.360 --> 2:29:11.480 and I remember we got this purple unicorn acid. Remember 2:29:11.560 --> 2:29:15.440 that ship, your purple and unicorn. Yes, somebody got it 2:29:15.480 --> 2:29:18.520 at a Grateful Day. Somebody got it at a Grateful 2:29:18.560 --> 2:29:22.000 Dead concert doors and we fucking popped it. Do you 2:29:22.040 --> 2:29:29.760 remember that? No, I don't definitely popped the ship with me. 2:29:29.920 --> 2:29:32.560 We were like, oh no, no, you weren't there. Maybe 2:29:32.600 --> 2:29:37.640 I was the only one that popped. And I swear 2:29:37.720 --> 2:29:40.280 to God, dog, I popped the ship, and and uh, 2:29:41.200 --> 2:29:44.600 you know, like we're doing the show and everything got crazy, 2:29:44.760 --> 2:29:47.160 like in the middle of the show, like I'm walking 2:29:47.240 --> 2:29:51.200 on stage and I'm feeling like I'm walking in quicksand right, 2:29:51.360 --> 2:29:54.480 that's one. And then you know, this is at the 2:29:54.560 --> 2:29:57.160 time where the new style of lighting is coming on, 2:29:57.320 --> 2:30:02.200 with those fucking beams that switched lers there like a stream. Yeah, 2:30:02.959 --> 2:30:05.480 And I'm like in the middle of the show and 2:30:05.800 --> 2:30:10.320 I start peeking and I catch eye with that fucking 2:30:10.400 --> 2:30:12.760 beam and I'm just looking up at the light, doing 2:30:12.920 --> 2:30:16.400 my verse, like totally concentrating on the light show that's 2:30:16.440 --> 2:30:19.840 happening above me. And I don't know what these guys 2:30:19.959 --> 2:30:22.120 were doing in the middle of that, but I was 2:30:22.240 --> 2:30:25.160 just totally fucking snapped into that fucking light show. And 2:30:25.280 --> 2:30:28.800 that was the type of ship there would happen when 2:30:28.840 --> 2:30:32.200 we were sucking doing psychedelics on stage, because most of 2:30:32.200 --> 2:30:38.520 the mushrooms cost well, we would but most a lot 2:30:38.600 --> 2:30:46.360 of other times we were doing mushrooms. I took a 2:30:46.440 --> 2:30:48.120 mess tab one night and I was on a sea saw, 2:30:48.560 --> 2:30:52.560 but I was about myself and not You just take 2:30:52.600 --> 2:30:54.360 an ounce of mushrooms and put them in a coffee 2:30:54.400 --> 2:30:56.080 grinder and grind them up to dust and then put 2:30:56.120 --> 2:31:00.520 them in some honey. That part a little take little spoon. 2:31:00.760 --> 2:31:04.080 Is that much musom and you could take that honey? 2:31:04.200 --> 2:31:10.720 Did muroom teath all? That's easy stort of doing the 2:31:10.800 --> 2:31:13.480 much room mushroom. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that gets you quick 2:31:13.600 --> 2:31:15.680 and it likes you already and it just like turns 2:31:15.720 --> 2:31:18.320 you well. If you take too much, it's not like 2:31:19.280 --> 2:31:22.440 it's not too high. We never did Michael does back 2:31:22.480 --> 2:31:29.000 of those those days. It was all your overdog. Yeah. 2:31:29.600 --> 2:31:31.560 The other one time I did it was no micro 2:31:31.640 --> 2:31:36.200 dos back. Everything was overdose. I did some mushroom tea. 2:31:36.760 --> 2:31:41.560 We were doing Smoking Gurus uh tour and uh it 2:31:41.680 --> 2:31:44.880 was in Colorado and some homies came, you know, and 2:31:45.280 --> 2:31:47.959 they brought some mushroom tea and everything they said, they said, 2:31:48.200 --> 2:31:52.080 only take a little bit. I did, like the whole 2:31:52.240 --> 2:31:53.920 damn cut a lot of he did a lot of 2:31:55.200 --> 2:32:01.800 whatever anybody tell y'all to do, right, Yeah, and uh, 2:32:02.200 --> 2:32:04.959 within minutes, I was, I was done. I was sniquing 2:32:05.040 --> 2:32:07.880 all over. Man. I only knew this fool's phone number, 2:32:08.040 --> 2:32:10.720 I mean on the hotel phone, you know room. And 2:32:11.400 --> 2:32:20.000 the first thing I says, I can't think it was 2:32:24.200 --> 2:32:27.000 like some horrible ship. I'm like bobo and he's like 2:32:27.600 --> 2:32:43.040 help me. Yeah he was. Yeah, And I don't remember 2:32:43.120 --> 2:32:45.560 that show. But I somehow made it to the stage 2:32:46.240 --> 2:32:48.959 and I couldn't play. For the first time in my life, 2:32:48.959 --> 2:32:51.640 I could not play. I somehow got up on the 2:32:51.760 --> 2:32:57.039 stage and I was playing some crazy rhythms to the multiverse, 2:32:57.760 --> 2:33:02.000 playing some other rhythms that he did not understand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 2:33:02.959 --> 2:33:05.959 it might be. It's like cutting me off the stage 2:33:06.000 --> 2:33:08.160 and put me in the bunk, Like, yo, get this 2:33:08.320 --> 2:33:12.520 fool off the stage, you know. So yeah, no, no, 2:33:12.640 --> 2:33:17.039 no for him puts your favor place to perform at. 2:33:18.520 --> 2:33:21.520 That's tough because everywhere, you know, we get a pretty 2:33:21.560 --> 2:33:25.600 goddamn good reception. New York has always been crazy with 2:33:25.680 --> 2:33:30.280 our annual you know showdown there. Nuts. But I would 2:33:30.320 --> 2:33:32.720 say in the last like big shows that we did, 2:33:32.840 --> 2:33:37.320 like Festival Style France, France, then motherfucker's went off for 2:33:37.440 --> 2:33:44.160 some cypress hillship right. They get live when it's them properly, um, 2:33:45.400 --> 2:33:50.119 you know, and it goes off correctly, you know, Los Angeles, California. 2:33:50.840 --> 2:33:54.240 I always liked it from my own backyard and flex 2:33:54.360 --> 2:34:00.960 my style south Gate Nigga south Gate like in recent 2:34:01.080 --> 2:34:08.640 years chaotic. They don't want us down there, you mean, 2:34:09.760 --> 2:34:12.720 doesn't want us down there, Not not because they hate us, 2:34:13.000 --> 2:34:15.840 you know, Um, it's because it would it would probably 2:34:15.879 --> 2:34:17.880 be chaotic. And I don't know if they're ready for that, 2:34:19.040 --> 2:34:22.360 you know, done properly. But what better example than you 2:34:22.480 --> 2:34:25.440 guys for the kids in the youth and south. I'm 2:34:25.480 --> 2:34:27.440 just waiting for them to call him for the Christmas 2:34:27.520 --> 2:34:29.800 Day float where he goes down the street in a 2:34:29.879 --> 2:34:37.800 whip and stuff. You know what I'm saying. Did you 2:34:37.879 --> 2:34:42.000 guys ever feel at any point that you weren't doing 2:34:42.200 --> 2:34:44.000 like you weren't a part of hip hop anymore? Because 2:34:44.040 --> 2:34:45.800 this is one thing that I think about That's ill 2:34:45.840 --> 2:34:49.800 about Cypress Hill is that regardless of how many, like 2:34:49.879 --> 2:34:53.200 if you went into the rock realm or whatever, it 2:34:53.360 --> 2:34:57.000 felt like you guys always kept it hip hop, hip hop, 2:34:57.440 --> 2:34:59.920 no matter where you guys ventured off into whatever, fest 2:35:00.000 --> 2:35:02.199 of those whatever brown and and it shows with also 2:35:02.240 --> 2:35:04.840 the people you collaborated with, like as you kept moving 2:35:04.920 --> 2:35:09.000 forward the Cypress I mean, the wood Tangs, the Fooji Joint, 2:35:09.040 --> 2:35:11.000 which mind you, the foodie joined in the whole of 2:35:11.040 --> 2:35:13.520 the realm. There's a whole other conversation because of the 2:35:13.600 --> 2:35:16.560 Haitian Cuban thing, which in Miami it was a big 2:35:16.600 --> 2:35:20.120 deal for us, you know. But it feels like you've 2:35:20.200 --> 2:35:22.960 always kept it hip hop, regardless of where you guys 2:35:23.040 --> 2:35:26.520 ventured off into. That's our roots, you know. Um, I 2:35:26.640 --> 2:35:29.680 think others thought we were venturing away and trying to 2:35:29.720 --> 2:35:32.400 do something different, but we were just being you know, 2:35:33.080 --> 2:35:36.520 creative and experimental. You know, the the hybrid ship with 2:35:36.680 --> 2:35:40.200 the rock stuff that happened on Skull and Bones. I mean, 2:35:40.360 --> 2:35:43.120 you know, we had done a lot of a lot 2:35:43.160 --> 2:35:45.200 of rap songs, a lot of hip hop songs, you 2:35:45.240 --> 2:35:46.959 know what I mean. I think we were wet at 2:35:47.040 --> 2:35:50.880 thirty Deep or some ship right album thing? Yeah, is 2:35:50.920 --> 2:35:55.320 that that's what you're talking to? It was like yeah, 2:35:55.400 --> 2:35:57.760 and it was because we were ahead of schedule and 2:35:57.800 --> 2:36:00.400 we had so many fucking hip hop songs and Send 2:36:00.440 --> 2:36:03.160 Dog was sort of into that that that scene. At 2:36:03.240 --> 2:36:06.840 that point, Mugs said, we're gonna do some different ship 2:36:07.080 --> 2:36:11.360 right here and at this sort of field. So, you know, 2:36:12.280 --> 2:36:16.120 like we always do, we threw caution to the fucking 2:36:16.200 --> 2:36:21.000 wind and just started started started experimenting with the ship. 2:36:21.240 --> 2:36:23.600 And you know, because we knew we had a base 2:36:23.840 --> 2:36:27.240 of fans that fucked with that, you know what I mean. 2:36:27.360 --> 2:36:30.080 They weren't necessarily hip hop fans, because all through our 2:36:30.120 --> 2:36:32.400 ship we'd go on tour and motherfucker's would come up, 2:36:32.400 --> 2:36:35.880 Hey I don't necessarily listen to hip hop, but I 2:36:36.080 --> 2:36:39.480 funk with you guys, right, And so you know, we 2:36:39.560 --> 2:36:42.440 knew we had fans out there like that. So you know, 2:36:42.560 --> 2:36:45.840 we said, well, let's take a chance Send Dog like 2:36:46.120 --> 2:36:48.560 this sort of direction. Fuck it, we're gonna go. And 2:36:49.280 --> 2:36:52.320 that sort of became the thing for a second, and 2:36:52.440 --> 2:36:56.160 we even you know, to to to double stack on that. 2:36:56.480 --> 2:36:58.720 You know, we brought a band out on on tour 2:36:58.840 --> 2:37:01.080 with us. You know, we created our band and you know, 2:37:01.320 --> 2:37:04.000 put them back there and played some of the songs 2:37:04.080 --> 2:37:06.600 that we created four Skull and Bones that were like, 2:37:06.760 --> 2:37:10.560 you know, the hybrid ship, and people accepted it there. 2:37:10.560 --> 2:37:13.119 I mean, people going nuts for that ship. I mean 2:37:13.800 --> 2:37:17.240 like the Beastie boys would flip between instruments and go 2:37:17.360 --> 2:37:20.119 into the ship and it's like ten years of rocking 2:37:20.160 --> 2:37:22.520 ship and rocking shows. It's like, Okay, we want some 2:37:22.640 --> 2:37:24.920 new ship to do live and they keep doing what 2:37:24.959 --> 2:37:26.800 we do, but then the show is gonna flip with 2:37:26.920 --> 2:37:28.800 the band, you know what I mean. So it kept 2:37:28.879 --> 2:37:31.520 it kept live fun, right, right. You guys all live 2:37:31.560 --> 2:37:34.520 in the same apartment at one point, well, you know, 2:37:35.160 --> 2:37:40.040 Muggs lived in these apartments songs on Kingsley in Hollywood, 2:37:40.120 --> 2:37:43.920 and most of the fucking uh, what's the fucking syndicate, 2:37:44.040 --> 2:37:47.400 we're up in this apartment building, right, and so that's 2:37:47.440 --> 2:37:50.800 where we would always be at Muggs spot because he 2:37:50.920 --> 2:38:06.039 wants this complex to with Grand like everybody, yeah, Grand. 2:38:06.560 --> 2:38:08.800 It was like eight hundred dollars for like a two bedroom. 2:38:09.720 --> 2:38:13.720 A lot of the guys that a lot of them 2:38:13.879 --> 2:38:16.760 are the guys that were a lot of guys that 2:38:16.840 --> 2:38:20.320 were in rhyme syndicate. They lived in this particular apartment which, 2:38:20.360 --> 2:38:22.160 ever last was a part of Rhyme Syndicate as well. 2:38:22.320 --> 2:38:24.360 He didn't necessarily live there. He lived in the valley 2:38:24.400 --> 2:38:27.240 at this point. But you know, guys like Mugs and 2:38:27.320 --> 2:38:31.360 Aladdin lived together in this building. Um from Low Profile, 2:38:31.840 --> 2:38:34.560 so we knew, we knew dub C before you know, 2:38:36.920 --> 2:38:40.280 No Aladdin, he was from a group called Low Profile 2:38:40.360 --> 2:38:45.040 with WCT. He'd be with w C and Coolioh and 2:38:45.240 --> 2:38:49.640 Aladdin and then department partment would be no furniture. There 2:38:49.720 --> 2:38:52.960 was like milk crates. The TV was on the milk crate. Crazy, 2:38:54.080 --> 2:38:56.960 it was. It was crazy. All the motherfucker's that that 2:38:57.120 --> 2:39:00.720 he would bring records back to us to listen to. 2:39:01.040 --> 2:39:04.240 You know, like the old school crews. They some of 2:39:04.280 --> 2:39:08.600 them were living in this fucking department complex. Like yes, 2:39:08.760 --> 2:39:12.160 like casts like Prince Whipple Whipping fucking you know, guys 2:39:12.240 --> 2:39:15.840 like that and Um, they were all in the apartment 2:39:15.920 --> 2:39:19.240 building and you know, we were fucking just all like 2:39:19.360 --> 2:39:21.720 a little community right there. We're taking game from like 2:39:21.959 --> 2:39:24.640 the likes of Cast because that's ill that had someone 2:39:24.720 --> 2:39:26.959 like us. Well he was around you know what I'm saying. 2:39:27.000 --> 2:39:28.840 But like you know, it was just the folks we 2:39:28.959 --> 2:39:31.280 were around, like some of the guys that like, we 2:39:31.920 --> 2:39:34.240 was listening to their ship and just to see that 2:39:34.360 --> 2:39:36.800 around here, Just see that around you know, because a 2:39:36.840 --> 2:39:38.680 lot of those dudes from the East Coast at that time, 2:39:38.720 --> 2:39:41.400 the old school cats moved over here to get down 2:39:41.480 --> 2:39:44.680 with Iced Tea because he was creating the Rhyme Syndicate 2:39:44.760 --> 2:39:46.600 and he was embracing a lot of those old school 2:39:46.680 --> 2:39:50.880 cats and yeah, and uh, you know a lot of 2:39:50.959 --> 2:39:54.800 them embraced us. They embraced mugs first, then eventually myself 2:39:54.879 --> 2:39:58.760 and San Dog and you know, so to them, motherfucker's man. 2:39:59.000 --> 2:40:02.080 You know. Um, I was like they were the first 2:40:02.240 --> 2:40:06.440 real clique in Los Angeles, right, yeah, it's like eight 2:40:06.959 --> 2:40:10.280 you know, I like, yeah, Rhyme Syndicate. They were like 2:40:10.400 --> 2:40:13.840 the real first click See that's the homie. Yeah, yeah, 2:40:14.160 --> 2:40:17.600 that's the godfather. We have Whack on here. And Whack 2:40:17.680 --> 2:40:21.280 said that I t is originally from New Jersey. He 2:40:21.440 --> 2:40:28.560 might have been born there yet, but like you know'tah no, no, no, no, 2:40:29.200 --> 2:40:31.120 that's a fact. You know, he was born there, much 2:40:31.160 --> 2:40:33.560 like Bobo was born in fucking Hollis. You know what 2:40:33.640 --> 2:40:37.360 I'm saying. But you know, where you're raised, that's a 2:40:37.400 --> 2:40:41.800 different I'm raised in Miami. That's kind of where you're from, 2:40:41.879 --> 2:40:46.640 you know, that's where you're at now. A ninety to 2:40:46.760 --> 2:40:50.720 the Billboard Awards, I believe you guys one award and 2:40:50.760 --> 2:40:56.320 then you said legalize it? Yeah, year, is this right now? 2:40:57.480 --> 2:41:07.600 Thousands and two? Sir? Yes, sir, it's still not officially, yeah, 2:41:09.080 --> 2:41:13.840 but um, we made some fucking gains, you know what 2:41:13.920 --> 2:41:18.520 I mean. There's thirty seven states that have legal is 2:41:18.600 --> 2:41:22.480 it legal cannabis or medicinal cannabis, and that's a big 2:41:22.600 --> 2:41:28.360 step for use. Yes, decriminalizing on a lot of levels. Yeah, 2:41:28.360 --> 2:41:31.360 and it's decriminalized in a lot of these places. Um. Yeah, 2:41:31.760 --> 2:41:34.360 you know, we're still working towards federal and it's you know, 2:41:34.840 --> 2:41:38.040 maybe within the next five ten years, but it's going 2:41:38.120 --> 2:41:41.720 in that direction. And you know, if you ask us 2:41:42.760 --> 2:41:46.160 does that happen, Like if you ask us, does this happen, 2:41:46.959 --> 2:41:49.080 you know, we might say, yeah, we're working towards that. 2:41:49.840 --> 2:41:52.040 We you know, you don't know the fucking future, but 2:41:52.120 --> 2:41:54.160 we know what we're working towards, you know what I'm saying. 2:41:54.240 --> 2:41:57.200 We know the possibilities. We were looking at places like 2:41:57.360 --> 2:42:00.920 what you know how Amsterdam was going down and we're 2:42:00.959 --> 2:42:03.920 like that, well that's possible for us here. I'm sorry 2:42:03.920 --> 2:42:05.120 to cut you off for a second, but let me 2:42:05.200 --> 2:42:07.240 let you know how bad that we laws used to be. 2:42:08.520 --> 2:42:11.440 I one time I was sitting on my block pot 2:42:11.520 --> 2:42:14.160 last drivers by on the other side of the street. 2:42:14.200 --> 2:42:17.160 I'm smoking. He makes the U turn. As he's starting 2:42:17.160 --> 2:42:20.400 to make the U turn, I throw the bud. There's 2:42:20.440 --> 2:42:22.520 no way he can find it. And he arrested me 2:42:24.320 --> 2:42:28.760 for seeing me smoke. He never found the joint. I 2:42:28.879 --> 2:42:31.080 just saw. You just saw me and smelting. I had 2:42:31.280 --> 2:42:34.280 nothing on me. I went through the system in New 2:42:34.400 --> 2:42:37.400 York and if it meedily woking down there now, just smoking, 2:42:37.440 --> 2:42:47.160 I'm like, I don't I know. They were supposed to 2:42:47.280 --> 2:42:51.400 do that here right in Florida? Do what drop like 2:42:51.640 --> 2:42:55.000 charges when they mean here? I don't know. I think 2:42:55.560 --> 2:42:57.320 they probably didn't yet. I don't think they're gonna do 2:42:57.400 --> 2:43:00.360 that yet. They need to go past medicinal for that 2:43:00.480 --> 2:43:07.040 to happen. You know, a nationally, the people can work 2:43:07.200 --> 2:43:09.720 toward that ship because really that's where it comes from. 2:43:09.800 --> 2:43:12.880 It doesn't come from sucking them because they got votes 2:43:12.959 --> 2:43:16.480 to fucking worry about and like, if someone's too progressive, 2:43:16.520 --> 2:43:20.640 you might not get those fucking votes that you traditionally need, right, 2:43:20.840 --> 2:43:23.879 So it's it's up to the people to go make 2:43:24.040 --> 2:43:27.640 this a thing. Like like always, the real change happens 2:43:27.680 --> 2:43:29.520 from the people. That's a good thing about I think, 2:43:29.959 --> 2:43:31.360 And I don't even smoke, but I think that's a 2:43:31.400 --> 2:43:33.920 good thing about cannabis is that I think it crosses 2:43:34.000 --> 2:43:37.440 all those party lines. Yeah, and it can change. The 2:43:37.520 --> 2:43:39.320 laws could change because of that. You know what I'm saying. 2:43:39.400 --> 2:43:44.880 Easily Green Thumb all of your things. It's me and 2:43:45.000 --> 2:43:46.879 you got your own strand too. Are you're thinking about 2:43:46.920 --> 2:43:49.600 doing something like that. I've done things here and there, 2:43:49.680 --> 2:43:53.000 and you know what I mean, But I have a 2:43:53.120 --> 2:43:56.160 brand whatever, But it's not a I feel like you 2:43:56.360 --> 2:43:59.520 come out with your own mushrooms. Yeah, I'm thinking the 2:43:59.600 --> 2:44:03.640 same thing. Shrooms aren't illegal? Ares I legal? And Colorado 2:44:03.680 --> 2:44:06.560 for show they are? Yeah, so you need to come 2:44:06.600 --> 2:44:08.879 out with your own the last time. I haven't done 2:44:08.879 --> 2:44:18.320 any central Yeah. Yeah, No, he has the B has 2:44:18.360 --> 2:44:25.040 the Doctor Greenham stores and and I have the thing 2:44:25.120 --> 2:44:29.240 called hill House. Yeah, that's about it. As as far 2:44:29.320 --> 2:44:33.640 as flower, what is that? Yeah, pretty much yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. 2:44:33.640 --> 2:44:35.680 I mean it's not like the he had the Dr 2:44:35.760 --> 2:44:39.800 Greenham thing is like a how many stories do you have? Six? Um, 2:44:40.120 --> 2:44:43.840 you know the actual Dr Green Thumb stores, dispensaries, dispenses 2:44:43.879 --> 2:44:48.119 in California. You know. The thing is, we definitely want 2:44:48.160 --> 2:44:50.640 to do that with Cypress Hill. You know, it's always 2:44:50.680 --> 2:44:54.960 just very picky about what we do because you know, 2:44:55.400 --> 2:44:57.440 we don't ever want to rush to do it wrong 2:44:57.520 --> 2:44:59.560 and stuff like that. So you know, there's been an 2:44:59.560 --> 2:45:01.440 opportunit it is for us to do ship, but like 2:45:01.920 --> 2:45:04.400 for us, it's always like if it's going to be 2:45:04.520 --> 2:45:07.959 the right thing, not the right look, the right thing. 2:45:08.800 --> 2:45:11.160 And so you know, one of the one of the 2:45:11.240 --> 2:45:15.760 goals is to eventually open up some stores under Cypress 2:45:15.879 --> 2:45:18.520 Hill as well as you know, my Green Thumb stores 2:45:18.600 --> 2:45:21.640 that exist and stuff like that, because realistically, Cypress Hill 2:45:21.720 --> 2:45:23.840 is the root of all of it. If there's no 2:45:23.959 --> 2:45:27.720 Cypress Hill, there's no Green Thumb, you know what I mean. So, um, 2:45:28.240 --> 2:45:31.120 we it's it's something we definitely want to do in 2:45:31.200 --> 2:45:37.039 the future. And ship, so you know that's on the agenda. Well, 2:45:37.120 --> 2:45:39.520 you know, Bern is my boy. You know, we've done 2:45:39.560 --> 2:45:42.720 albums together, we've done four projects together, so we we 2:45:43.040 --> 2:45:45.400 sort of push each other's brand and stuff like that. 2:45:46.160 --> 2:45:49.119 He's got cookies, I got green thumb and and uh, 2:45:49.800 --> 2:45:51.760 you know, we celebrate each other, you know what I mean. 2:45:51.840 --> 2:45:54.959 And we do this music together for the cannabis culture 2:45:55.000 --> 2:45:58.519 and for music, you know what I'm saying. But UMS 2:45:58.640 --> 2:46:01.640 has been it's being great working with the man. The 2:46:01.720 --> 2:46:04.960 sessions are like, you know, just a great vibe, you 2:46:05.000 --> 2:46:06.880 know what I mean. And smokey as fuck. I mean, 2:46:06.959 --> 2:46:11.119 we smoked that studio the funk out like he burns 2:46:11.200 --> 2:46:12.680 the way I burned, you know what I mean. Like 2:46:12.800 --> 2:46:15.160 we both smoke up. We'll match each other for joint 2:46:15.240 --> 2:46:18.480 for joint. But it's about the work. It's not about 2:46:18.520 --> 2:46:20.280 to smoke. That ship is you know, just a part 2:46:20.320 --> 2:46:22.160 of the vibe. It's about to work. Like we get 2:46:22.200 --> 2:46:24.160 in there and we do we do work. And and 2:46:24.560 --> 2:46:28.560 uh we got another one, Um in the Chamber that 2:46:28.920 --> 2:46:32.520 Scott Storch produced that we're about to you know, pop 2:46:32.600 --> 2:46:39.360 off later on UM and fully produced by Scott Storch. 2:46:39.440 --> 2:46:41.280 In the past, you know, we used other producers, but 2:46:41.400 --> 2:46:43.000 for this one, you know, I sort of wanted to 2:46:43.080 --> 2:46:45.560 do what we do with with Cypress and you know, 2:46:45.720 --> 2:46:49.360 lock in with one producer and make a sound and 2:46:49.640 --> 2:46:53.600 Scott definitely did that. So you know when people hear it, 2:46:53.720 --> 2:46:56.680 they'll you know, they'll feel it. So you know Burn 2:46:56.800 --> 2:46:58.920 and I you know, that's my boy. So salute the 2:46:58.959 --> 2:47:01.880 big birth pig up Berna. So sad. What's what's what's 2:47:01.879 --> 2:47:03.240 your what's your face? What's your part of the game? 2:47:03.280 --> 2:47:06.040 And you can't live without like the part of what 2:47:06.440 --> 2:47:08.760 part of the game that you can't live without? Like 2:47:09.959 --> 2:47:11.480 like even when you left the group, Like, what was 2:47:11.560 --> 2:47:15.080 the part that you was missing? The stage? Man, I 2:47:15.280 --> 2:47:17.920 was gonna say that for some reason. And it all 2:47:18.000 --> 2:47:21.520 came down to one day I was I saw them 2:47:21.560 --> 2:47:25.720 perform on a MTV or something. They were like in Canada, 2:47:26.920 --> 2:47:29.720 and uh, I was watching the whole ship at home 2:47:31.400 --> 2:47:34.000 and from like when when I saw that, I could 2:47:34.000 --> 2:47:40.160 almost smell the concert. Yeah, that actually went down. Yeah, 2:47:40.440 --> 2:47:42.800 And that's when I knew, like I had to have 2:47:42.879 --> 2:47:44.160 it back in my life, you know what I mean, 2:47:44.200 --> 2:47:46.000 Like that had to be part of me. And I 2:47:46.040 --> 2:47:48.040 always knew that. I kind of felt like I always 2:47:48.080 --> 2:47:51.760 knew that, um, but there's just that one time when 2:47:51.800 --> 2:47:54.080 it slaps you in the face that you should be 2:47:54.160 --> 2:47:56.080 out there. And then I think, like a couple of 2:47:56.160 --> 2:47:59.120 days later, Mugs called me up and I'm like, hey, Mugs, 2:47:59.160 --> 2:48:01.720 what's up. Man? He's like where you hat like he was, 2:48:01.920 --> 2:48:05.720 he said, I'm on tour where you should be? And 2:48:05.840 --> 2:48:08.760 that was like another thing, like okay, And then we 2:48:08.879 --> 2:48:10.760 went we went around to fixing that whole thing, and 2:48:11.280 --> 2:48:13.240 and I got back into it and everything, and you know, 2:48:14.240 --> 2:48:16.560 it was it was on from there. But I mean, 2:48:16.840 --> 2:48:19.360 sometimes you gotta go through that bullshit to figure out 2:48:19.400 --> 2:48:22.800 what you had to, you know, together, it all back 2:48:23.320 --> 2:48:25.280 motherfucking years, you know what I mean, She's gonna go 2:48:25.320 --> 2:48:28.400 through you know, it's like a real organic family going 2:48:28.480 --> 2:48:31.240 through life, you know what I mean. And right here, 2:48:31.280 --> 2:48:35.240 you know, and then being in front of those type 2:48:35.240 --> 2:48:36.960 of crowds that we were in front of, I mean, 2:48:37.080 --> 2:48:40.040 that's fucking addicting because it's a lot of control that 2:48:40.160 --> 2:48:43.160 you're fucking fingertips right there. You're making the crowd move 2:48:43.320 --> 2:48:47.520 through your music and you see the impact happening. That's 2:48:47.600 --> 2:48:50.320 hard to let go of. That's why rappers never retire, 2:48:50.440 --> 2:48:52.879 especially they got when they got a good run popping off. 2:48:53.400 --> 2:48:54.880 You know what I'm saying, You don't want to let 2:48:54.959 --> 2:48:57.840 that go because you know the control you have there 2:48:58.000 --> 2:49:02.040 and it's great seeing it. There's no high or no 2:49:02.320 --> 2:49:11.480 feeling like that crowd. Yeah, we do this thing right 2:49:12.400 --> 2:49:16.400 um at the end of our show where we we 2:49:16.680 --> 2:49:20.840 we pay um tribute and celebration to our homies, you 2:49:20.920 --> 2:49:25.240 know House of Pain with doing jump Around at the end, 2:49:26.120 --> 2:49:28.680 it's show like, it's not our song, but fuck it, 2:49:28.959 --> 2:49:31.280 you know it's in the family. It's soul Assassins. He 2:49:31.360 --> 2:49:36.280 produced the record, right jump Around, Yeah, and you know, 2:49:36.560 --> 2:49:38.760 so it's all in the family. So we you know, 2:49:39.040 --> 2:49:41.240 what we do at the end is we save that 2:49:41.440 --> 2:49:44.840 for the fucking very end and we make everybody get 2:49:44.959 --> 2:49:47.920 down to the ground like in a squat position, right, 2:49:48.600 --> 2:49:50.560 and then we pop it off. The horns come on 2:49:51.400 --> 2:49:55.400 and then it goes and you see everybody explode, and 2:49:55.560 --> 2:50:00.120 that's you know, there's no feeling then like I and 2:50:00.320 --> 2:50:03.039 I felt what House of Pain felt when that fucking 2:50:03.120 --> 2:50:06.920 song popped off. Everywhere you hear it at every sporting event. 2:50:07.920 --> 2:50:10.880 It's the pop off at any given time. You could 2:50:10.959 --> 2:50:14.520 cover it at the end of your show, and motherfucker'sould 2:50:14.520 --> 2:50:16.720 that be the highlight of the show because guess what 2:50:16.879 --> 2:50:19.800 that's my man right here and never last created one 2:50:19.879 --> 2:50:22.120 of the greatest pop off songs of all time. I 2:50:22.280 --> 2:50:26.480 put that ship against anything because I've seen the results 2:50:26.520 --> 2:50:28.400 of it and they could co sign on this. I've 2:50:28.440 --> 2:50:31.760 done this ship on my solo ship with Profits of 2:50:31.879 --> 2:50:34.560 Rage and with Cyprus. There is no bigger song to 2:50:34.760 --> 2:50:38.000 pop off on, right. So we get everybody and think 2:50:38.040 --> 2:50:41.800 about you're seeing seventy thousand to a hundred thousand to 2:50:41.879 --> 2:50:45.760 a hundred and fifty thousand people all squatted down, and 2:50:45.800 --> 2:50:52.080 when that ship pops off, boom, explosion, overpowering. You know 2:50:52.120 --> 2:50:54.720 what I'm saying, it's it's the craziest feeling. There's no 2:50:55.000 --> 2:50:58.439 high that you could get better than that. It's crazy. 2:50:59.080 --> 2:51:06.960 Salute to you while because you hold on real quick, though, 2:51:07.040 --> 2:51:08.920 I just want to say, like and not real quick, 2:51:09.360 --> 2:51:14.800 real long. Actually, um, the production, the sound that that 2:51:14.959 --> 2:51:18.800 you brought Mugs to, to Cypress and to everything you 2:51:18.959 --> 2:51:23.920 touched soul assassins abroad, it changed so much in the game. 2:51:24.000 --> 2:51:25.960 I don't think it's acknowledged as much as it should be. 2:51:26.560 --> 2:51:28.480 And I'm saying you're you're one of the top tier 2:51:28.760 --> 2:51:32.080 hip hop producers of all time, and I think it's 2:51:32.120 --> 2:51:34.240 it's amazing what you guys have done. Man, what you've done. 2:51:34.680 --> 2:52:01.280 I appreciate that. Right is ready for it. Let me cheers. Um. 2:52:01.600 --> 2:52:05.840 If you could say something to your younger self, what 2:52:06.000 --> 2:52:11.800 would it be, ship that's a good one man fun Uh, 2:52:13.800 --> 2:52:18.600 I would say, you know, believe in yourself and believe 2:52:18.640 --> 2:52:29.480 in your friends. That's fine. I said, that's fine. Wow. Um, 2:52:30.879 --> 2:52:33.800 you know, don't be afraid of dream you know, the 2:52:34.000 --> 2:52:39.039 dreams can come true. I remember being a little kid 2:52:39.160 --> 2:52:43.320 and and making, uh like these these toys I had, 2:52:43.360 --> 2:52:45.920 and these musicians and I put on my army man 2:52:46.000 --> 2:52:48.800 out like theyre with the audience, and I disimagine like 2:52:48.920 --> 2:52:53.400 a big, a big, you know, field of people, and 2:52:53.640 --> 2:52:59.000 when what stock happened? I said, that was? That was it? So, 2:52:59.400 --> 2:53:02.520 you know, believe yourself, believe in your dreams. I was. 2:53:04.760 --> 2:53:07.280 I would have thought had been it would have should 2:53:07.280 --> 2:53:11.720 have been. Don't drink that much room tea. Don't drink 2:53:13.240 --> 2:53:15.640 to your younger self. You got to meet your younger self. Well, 2:53:15.680 --> 2:53:19.040 just just be patient, man, and just be patient, you 2:53:19.120 --> 2:53:21.760 know what I mean? And and just stay focused and 2:53:21.840 --> 2:53:24.760 stay calm, and don't get emotionally attached to any of 2:53:24.840 --> 2:53:29.480 this ship, and just stay calm and stay patient. Everything 2:53:29.520 --> 2:53:36.200 will figure it yourself out. That's why I want you. 2:53:38.600 --> 2:53:41.360 I wouldn't. I would say to myself, what what sin 2:53:41.440 --> 2:53:44.760 Dog's mom said to me, Let's have faith, don't hope, 2:53:45.120 --> 2:53:49.400 have faith and what we're doing, and in yourself and 2:53:50.000 --> 2:53:54.119 work towards it. So you know, it would have been redundant. 2:53:54.240 --> 2:53:56.480 But that's what you know his mother told me. I 2:53:56.520 --> 2:54:05.640 would have told myself that ship, that's weird, space watch 2:54:05.680 --> 2:54:13.960 that now coded the beat Nuts record the um But 2:54:14.480 --> 2:54:16.960 I noticed a cliche type type of question, but did 2:54:17.000 --> 2:54:18.640 you ever take that hip hop? Make it this far? 2:54:20.080 --> 2:54:23.280 I always need for sure, just the moment I heard it, 2:54:24.280 --> 2:54:25.920 this was the next wave of rock and roll? What 2:54:26.040 --> 2:54:32.400 are we gonna call it? And because like them, like 2:54:32.480 --> 2:54:34.640 I was a scared I wasn't the punk rock. I 2:54:34.720 --> 2:54:38.440 was into counterculture music, like the scene you had a mohawk. No, 2:54:38.600 --> 2:54:42.360 I definitely didn't have a mohawk. And so when hip 2:54:42.360 --> 2:54:45.680 hop came on, that actually spoke more to me. And 2:54:45.760 --> 2:54:49.200 it was counterculture as well, so that I felt right 2:54:49.240 --> 2:54:50.640 in line with that. And you said you knew it 2:54:50.680 --> 2:54:52.680 was going to be big from the beginning. Yeah, from 2:54:52.720 --> 2:54:56.000 the beginning, from the time I heard Blondie doing Raptured 2:54:56.080 --> 2:54:58.400 and all that ship, I knew this was the next 2:54:58.480 --> 2:55:00.720 big thing I was going to take over. There was music, 2:55:00.840 --> 2:55:02.360 but there was no hip hop. And then all of 2:55:02.400 --> 2:55:04.000 a sudden there was a music called hip hop. And 2:55:04.000 --> 2:55:06.000 you're like, oh, ship, what's that? And you're watching the 2:55:06.040 --> 2:55:09.120 ship and you're like eight eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen fifteen, 2:55:09.160 --> 2:55:12.280 You're like, oh, that's that ship right there right. Well, 2:55:12.480 --> 2:55:14.360 not everybody like this is the thing. We all didn't 2:55:14.400 --> 2:55:16.960 know it was hip hop. We were listening to rap music. 2:55:17.240 --> 2:55:19.360 Were just yeah. And there was a point where I realized, 2:55:19.400 --> 2:55:21.480 holy sh it, this is hip hop culture. Like it 2:55:21.600 --> 2:55:24.520 was dawned on me that someone another person, Yo, this 2:55:24.680 --> 2:55:28.000 is what it is. You already breakdancing, You're already writing graffiti. 2:55:28.920 --> 2:55:31.640 Do you want? There's a culture? And that ship is 2:55:31.680 --> 2:55:33.960 what blew my mind about it. Yeah, I didn't know 2:55:34.080 --> 2:55:35.640 where it was going to go. I just wanted to 2:55:35.720 --> 2:55:38.800 be part of it. You know that. That's the passion 2:55:39.040 --> 2:55:41.360 was there from the minute I heard it, because I mean, 2:55:41.480 --> 2:55:43.400 you know, I was listening to a lot of different 2:55:43.400 --> 2:55:46.360 ships before I knew hip what hip hop was, you 2:55:46.400 --> 2:55:49.400 know what I mean? And the minute I heard run DMC, 2:55:50.200 --> 2:55:54.800 I was like, oh that ship right there? Um, and 2:55:54.879 --> 2:55:58.440 then rock Box from run DMC most most definitely that 2:55:58.520 --> 2:56:00.440 ship kind of flipped me right there. I was like, 2:56:02.480 --> 2:56:07.960 right now, let's talk about Rap Superstar. Yes, you were 2:56:14.120 --> 2:56:18.920 you remember the day he recorded that ship? Absolutely knockout man, 2:56:19.000 --> 2:56:23.240 I saw the video. But what if you're just saying something, UM, 2:56:23.760 --> 2:56:25.760 very proud to be about it that record. I did 2:56:25.879 --> 2:56:34.360 definitely need my plaque. Come on, yeah, UM listen to 2:56:34.480 --> 2:56:38.800 that today, you know, UM, driving here, going through the 2:56:38.959 --> 2:56:43.879 phoography after um uh watching the documentary, just just soaking 2:56:43.959 --> 2:56:46.480 up all the game. And then I'm listening to the 2:56:46.600 --> 2:56:49.800 lyrics of Rap Superstar and I'm like, whoa, this is 2:56:49.840 --> 2:56:52.720 is relevant? Right? Yeah? Like this ship is not an 2:56:53.120 --> 2:56:55.560 old record? Like how the funk did you all think 2:56:55.600 --> 2:56:58.720 of that ship? Like you know it's living in right, 2:56:58.840 --> 2:57:03.439 you know, and what people's expectations and perceptions are outside 2:57:03.480 --> 2:57:05.959 of it, right, you know, they think it's all gravy 2:57:06.040 --> 2:57:08.240 once you get a deal and and you know you're 2:57:08.640 --> 2:57:10.440 rich and famous off the top, but they don't know 2:57:10.520 --> 2:57:12.800 the road to that if you should be lucky enough 2:57:12.879 --> 2:57:15.840 to get it. And that was like you know, us 2:57:16.040 --> 2:57:19.920 being in the game and and absorbing all the positive 2:57:19.959 --> 2:57:23.279 and negative energy from it and us just being like, boom, 2:57:23.360 --> 2:57:25.400 this is what it is, you know what I'm saying, 2:57:25.440 --> 2:57:28.119 And to be this, these are the sacrifices that we make, 2:57:28.360 --> 2:57:30.800 you know what I'm saying. And it was a very 2:57:30.879 --> 2:57:34.440 real fucking song. You know. I think, um and and 2:57:34.720 --> 2:57:37.240 and salute to my man mugs on this because like 2:57:38.480 --> 2:57:40.360 the way that I look at that that song is 2:57:40.480 --> 2:57:43.480 like it's it's like our cash mirror. Like if you're 2:57:43.720 --> 2:57:47.680 if you're a rock fan, led Zeppelin's cash Mirror is 2:57:47.720 --> 2:57:50.640 a big fucking song for led Zeppelin. It's like, you know, 2:57:50.840 --> 2:57:55.360 it's just so fucking different. Um. And that was our 2:57:55.440 --> 2:57:58.720 cash Mirror as Cypress Hill Rock Superstar, because it was 2:57:59.400 --> 2:58:01.840 very much well we were living at the time, and 2:58:02.040 --> 2:58:05.360 just the fucking musical backdrop that he gave me to 2:58:05.480 --> 2:58:08.440 tell that story because I had that idea in my 2:58:08.560 --> 2:58:11.119 head for like a number of years, you know, because 2:58:11.160 --> 2:58:13.880 we had been soaking up what this game really is 2:58:14.040 --> 2:58:17.080 and all all the ship and you know, people's false 2:58:17.160 --> 2:58:19.800 perception of what it is to be in this in 2:58:19.879 --> 2:58:23.320 this business or rap star or rock star or whatever. 2:58:24.240 --> 2:58:26.960 And I held that idea for a long time until 2:58:27.040 --> 2:58:30.720 he came up with that beat that became the fucking song, 2:58:30.879 --> 2:58:33.520 and I was like, this is it right here? And uh, 2:58:34.440 --> 2:58:37.160 you know, I did not know it would resonate the 2:58:37.240 --> 2:58:38.720 way that it did. I thought it would just be 2:58:38.800 --> 2:58:41.400 a great album song. It was a great idea, but 2:58:41.440 --> 2:58:43.040 I didn't know it would be one of our like 2:58:43.200 --> 2:58:47.680 so called comeback joints, you know what I'm saying. So um, yeah, 2:58:47.800 --> 2:58:50.200 that that that song was was was huge. But I 2:58:50.320 --> 2:58:53.760 was telling people what the game is for us. It's 2:58:53.760 --> 2:58:55.840 still it's still the same game. Like I said, I 2:58:55.879 --> 2:58:57.520 was listening to it today and listen to it the 2:58:57.560 --> 2:58:58.880 other day. I was like, damn and she was so 2:58:59.080 --> 2:59:04.320 relevant still now, like like, um, it is amazing. Um 2:59:04.800 --> 2:59:07.320 and Eminem part of it is. Yeah. Eminem was on it. 2:59:08.120 --> 2:59:11.760 Um ever last was on one. Chino Moreno from the 2:59:11.879 --> 2:59:15.880 Deaf Tones was on the rock version. Uh yeah, you know, 2:59:16.040 --> 2:59:19.279 y'all blessed us, man, And you know, it was always 2:59:19.480 --> 2:59:22.160 like these are our brothers for you know, because y'all 2:59:22.160 --> 2:59:25.760 saw what the ship was and um, you know that 2:59:25.879 --> 2:59:28.000 meant everything to us to have you wanted to have 2:59:28.400 --> 2:59:31.000 m on it, you know, and because everybody wanted him 2:59:31.320 --> 2:59:40.240 at that point, right with eminem Yeah two um, and 2:59:40.440 --> 2:59:42.560 you know to have ever last two is our family 2:59:42.760 --> 2:59:46.240 and and Chino who you know the Deaf Tones. You know, 2:59:46.360 --> 2:59:49.120 we all loved the Deaf Tones and ship like that. 2:59:49.280 --> 2:59:52.200 So to have to have those four guys with us, 2:59:52.800 --> 2:59:55.760 you know that that was everything. So salute to them. 2:59:56.560 --> 2:59:59.240 It's because they gave their background on what the game 3:00:00.000 --> 3:00:03.080 soaked up from them, and that was that was that 3:00:03.200 --> 3:00:05.760 was tight because that's what that song was about. Well, 3:00:05.840 --> 3:00:09.000 it's interesting to hear you say comeback record because you 3:00:09.080 --> 3:00:12.160 know us, as fans of us, as you know, people 3:00:12.240 --> 3:00:15.880 that observers, we never felt like you guys ever left anywhere, 3:00:15.920 --> 3:00:18.600 So why would you Yeah, so why would you say 3:00:18.680 --> 3:00:22.280 come back? Because the mentality is, you know, when you're 3:00:22.320 --> 3:00:25.119 on a major label, that's what it is, the major 3:00:25.200 --> 3:00:29.080 label mental, the big Yes, they're always weighing your last 3:00:29.120 --> 3:00:31.880 ship against the ship. You do it right now, and 3:00:33.440 --> 3:00:35.760 you can do it. Let's go. And at the time, 3:00:35.959 --> 3:00:37.840 you know, like it had been a minute since we 3:00:37.959 --> 3:00:40.440 had dropped one, and you know, this is our fifth 3:00:40.520 --> 3:00:43.560 outing and our fourth outing was okay, but it wasn't 3:00:43.680 --> 3:00:46.400 like one, two and three, you know, so they thought 3:00:46.480 --> 3:00:49.320 we were fucking done kind of, but they still you know, 3:00:49.440 --> 3:00:52.520 like Donnie Einer, salute to my man. He was the 3:00:52.640 --> 3:00:55.160 chief up there. He had faith in us, and he 3:00:55.240 --> 3:00:58.040 had faith in mugs, and you know, every now and 3:00:58.120 --> 3:01:01.360 then he would suggest ship that was helpful and he 3:01:01.400 --> 3:01:04.640 would push our line, and he had that belief in 3:01:04.800 --> 3:01:08.000 us in this particular instant because you know, we did 3:01:08.200 --> 3:01:10.200 all this dope hip hop ship and then we did 3:01:10.280 --> 3:01:14.160 this hybrid ship, which was cool because it we were 3:01:14.200 --> 3:01:16.280 doing something no one else was doing at the time, 3:01:16.640 --> 3:01:20.200 right and he saw it, and you know, some of 3:01:20.280 --> 3:01:25.320 his suggestions helped push that particular album and showing like 3:01:25.959 --> 3:01:28.879 that we never left, you know what I'm saying, because 3:01:29.320 --> 3:01:32.040 our mentality was we never left. What the funk are 3:01:32.120 --> 3:01:35.000 y'all talking about it? But you know, we were always 3:01:35.040 --> 3:01:37.480 the underdogs, you know what I'm saying. Like they you know, 3:01:37.640 --> 3:01:40.720 like when Motherfucker's talked about us, it was like, well, 3:01:40.760 --> 3:01:43.760 I don't know, because you know, we were representing cannabis 3:01:43.879 --> 3:01:47.520 and it was just slightly different and uh, you know, 3:01:47.959 --> 3:01:50.920 we were out to prove everybody fucking wrong. Make some 3:01:51.000 --> 3:01:55.360 noise for that guy. I've never felt out of love 3:01:55.400 --> 3:01:58.000 with the game. Oh yeah, you know, there was a 3:01:58.080 --> 3:02:00.200 few years where I got just started hand of them 3:02:00.240 --> 3:02:03.800 my other businesses, you know what I mean, whatever they 3:02:03.840 --> 3:02:05.680 are just doing that ship and having like a passion 3:02:05.720 --> 3:02:07.960 for other things at the time. But the game was 3:02:08.080 --> 3:02:10.800 right there. But like the levels of the energy that 3:02:10.840 --> 3:02:12.080 I want to give to the game, you know what 3:02:12.080 --> 3:02:14.920 I mean, versus what I'm gonna get out like those 3:02:14.959 --> 3:02:17.880 have switched up throughout the years. It's it's the business 3:02:18.000 --> 3:02:20.920 that it's the business side, you know what I mean. 3:02:20.959 --> 3:02:23.080 For the creativity side and kicking with the homies and 3:02:23.120 --> 3:02:24.720 making music and having a good time that she was 3:02:24.720 --> 3:02:26.600 always fun, but that other ship after a while, you know, 3:02:26.720 --> 3:02:28.480 sometimes you just want to leave that ship, just get 3:02:28.560 --> 3:02:31.240 that part of the world out of your life, right 3:02:31.280 --> 3:02:33.120 because we are like Pete Rock just say that he 3:02:33.200 --> 3:02:36.080 did an album twenty two years ago and still haven't 3:02:36.120 --> 3:02:38.160 got paid on certain things. It's just something that you 3:02:38.280 --> 3:02:40.880 experienced as as a producer. No, I haven't had that 3:02:41.080 --> 3:02:43.959 that that problem, but you know, just other other things, 3:02:44.040 --> 3:02:45.480 you know what I mean. It's just I think it 3:02:45.560 --> 3:02:47.240 becomes like when you're young, you're trying to figure out 3:02:47.280 --> 3:02:49.240 the balance of your success and your family and like 3:02:49.640 --> 3:02:52.400 and everything trying to figure figure all the balance of everything, 3:02:52.600 --> 3:02:55.520 you know, make everything work, feed everything, give us some sunshine, 3:02:55.560 --> 3:02:56.880 some love, you know what I mean. We water it 3:02:57.000 --> 3:02:59.480 and um you figure it out and you're like, all right, cool. 3:02:59.520 --> 3:03:01.520 But through thirty years, you know you're gonna have a 3:03:01.600 --> 3:03:03.400 few years here and there. You I'm gonna get into 3:03:04.000 --> 3:03:06.880 I'm a paintball for three years. You know, I'm gonna 3:03:06.879 --> 3:03:08.440 stay in the studio for five years and I go 3:03:08.560 --> 3:03:14.880 tour with it right right, That's where the life, you 3:03:14.879 --> 3:03:16.200 know what I mean, Like we know on each other 3:03:16.280 --> 3:03:18.880 so long. We just everybody flowing through, go through like 3:03:19.320 --> 3:03:22.080 life since fucking changes, you know, I mean, figure that 3:03:22.120 --> 3:03:25.520 ship out and ship so still right here, how about 3:03:25.560 --> 3:03:28.400 you for a love of the game board? Igua? Um? 3:03:29.879 --> 3:03:33.800 I did four minute uh. When my father passed, you know, 3:03:34.560 --> 3:03:37.440 it was a big It was a big blow. And 3:03:37.959 --> 3:03:41.640 I had a lot of you know, pressure because of 3:03:42.600 --> 3:03:46.280 what my father had accomplished and trying to keep that 3:03:46.480 --> 3:03:50.040 legacy going on and almost having a little bit of 3:03:50.120 --> 3:03:52.320 self doubt if I can I can do this and 3:03:52.440 --> 3:03:54.920 continue on and how am I gonna make my own way? 3:03:55.760 --> 3:03:58.760 So I had to go. I took a break I 3:03:59.120 --> 3:04:04.520 went to school, Um studied there, and but something was 3:04:04.560 --> 3:04:08.080 always calling me back. And when I did leave school, 3:04:08.160 --> 3:04:12.160 my mom said, well, you're leaving school. You gotta you 3:04:12.240 --> 3:04:14.880 got a year. You got a year to get your 3:04:14.920 --> 3:04:16.880 ship together or as you're gonna have to go back 3:04:16.920 --> 3:04:21.240 to school. And within that year, my whole life changed. 3:04:21.680 --> 3:04:25.520 In music, you know, got me back in That's when 3:04:25.560 --> 3:04:28.440 I started out with the BC Boys. I met I 3:04:28.520 --> 3:04:31.400 met the guys here, and you know, I knew that, 3:04:31.760 --> 3:04:33.680 you know, this was what I was supposed to be doing, 3:04:34.320 --> 3:04:38.280 you know, but it's very easy to get you know, uh, 3:04:38.840 --> 3:04:41.600 a little nervous about you know, the future, when you're 3:04:41.680 --> 3:04:44.360 unsure about you know, where you gotta go in your life, 3:04:44.400 --> 3:04:46.000 and sometimes you do have to take a break and 3:04:46.280 --> 3:04:50.200 reevaluate and reset, you know. But I'm glad that I 3:04:50.280 --> 3:04:58.440 didn't stop. We're glad you didn't stop me the brother besides, 3:04:58.560 --> 3:05:00.800 you know, you you know, leaving the group if it 3:05:00.840 --> 3:05:02.879 hasn't been the time prior to that where you felt 3:05:02.920 --> 3:05:06.640 like fun, this business, this game. Don never prior to 3:05:06.800 --> 3:05:10.200 that or never never at all during except during that 3:05:10.360 --> 3:05:14.320 point when I you know, the source was talking about 3:05:14.400 --> 3:05:17.320 us and you know, t yeah, trying to clown us 3:05:17.360 --> 3:05:19.720 and in their articles and this and that. I don't 3:05:19.720 --> 3:05:22.320 know if you remember that Ship were talking to Ship, 3:05:22.480 --> 3:05:24.440 you know, and I kind of just felt like, is 3:05:24.520 --> 3:05:27.080 this what I worked, you know, all my my ass 3:05:27.120 --> 3:05:30.480 off for so this motherfucker could talked about us or whatever. 3:05:31.560 --> 3:05:33.800 And I kind of just like a run. That same time, 3:05:33.879 --> 3:05:37.360 I kind of like turned off from you know, the 3:05:37.520 --> 3:05:40.760 business of hip hop and looked to somewhere else to 3:05:40.879 --> 3:05:45.279 get that freedom and creativity out. And uh, I definitely 3:05:45.400 --> 3:05:48.800 felt that that that part of me that wasn't in 3:05:48.920 --> 3:05:52.320 love with hip hop at that point. But luckily I 3:05:52.440 --> 3:05:54.360 was able to find it again, you know what I mean, 3:05:54.840 --> 3:05:57.680 and and and and attached myself to it again and 3:05:58.080 --> 3:06:00.720 come strong with it. And I mean, it's it's nothing 3:06:00.800 --> 3:06:03.800 that once you love something like, you know, hip hop, 3:06:03.840 --> 3:06:05.640 and you just can't just turn your back on it. 3:06:06.000 --> 3:06:08.680 And even if you do, forever, you're gonna have that regret, 3:06:09.480 --> 3:06:12.199 you know what I'm saying. So I didn't want that regret, 3:06:12.760 --> 3:06:14.160 you know what I mean. I didn't want to what 3:06:14.320 --> 3:06:16.960 if I would have stood with these dudes or something 3:06:17.080 --> 3:06:20.000 Ship like that. You know, it was very important to 3:06:20.080 --> 3:06:22.440 come back to it and and resent him myself and 3:06:22.879 --> 3:06:26.000 and refocus myself and go strong as strong as I 3:06:26.160 --> 3:06:28.600 can that, you know, but I could, you know, go, 3:06:28.920 --> 3:06:31.360 you know, go hard hardcore with these dudes. Again. Do 3:06:31.480 --> 3:06:35.880 you mess with the Internet? Uh? Here and there? So 3:06:36.000 --> 3:06:40.800 you don't Twitter? No, Instagram, Twitter, Twitter, No, I don't 3:06:40.840 --> 3:06:43.600 funk with Twitter. I have a S C N D 3:06:43.720 --> 3:06:46.800 O G. Send dog with the blue check by that motherfucker. 3:06:49.560 --> 3:06:54.119 That's that's Instagram. Yeah, and they're sending dog a cypersel 3:06:54.160 --> 3:06:56.640 on Facebook. And uh, that's as deep as I go. 3:06:56.720 --> 3:06:59.680 I ain't that. I mean, I still rely on you know, 3:07:00.640 --> 3:07:03.680 your your own persona, you know, being bigger than life 3:07:03.720 --> 3:07:06.880 type of thing, no matter what the Instagram does whatever, 3:07:08.160 --> 3:07:10.120 And I know what it's worth. Don't I think I'm 3:07:10.120 --> 3:07:14.680 stupid or ignorant, you know what it is because um, 3:07:16.200 --> 3:07:19.360 I think a lot of us um didn't adapt that 3:07:19.720 --> 3:07:22.040 that way of life. Because I hear you're saying that, 3:07:22.160 --> 3:07:24.680 you know, the sources talking about you. And that's what's 3:07:24.720 --> 3:07:29.959 crazy is the Internet makes me terrible to say, makes 3:07:30.000 --> 3:07:33.280 me like adapted to say someone one person goes say 3:07:33.320 --> 3:07:43.080 something bad, you know, the sources voiced their opinion. Okay, 3:07:43.440 --> 3:07:45.960 I'm a young buck twenty seven year old in the 3:07:46.080 --> 3:07:48.960 game and all that for a long time, all we 3:07:49.120 --> 3:07:53.280 had was glorification of the Cypress Hill group, right, And 3:07:53.440 --> 3:07:56.320 when our second album came out, they didn't feel that way. 3:07:56.879 --> 3:08:00.720 Kind of that I said it, and I kind of 3:08:00.800 --> 3:08:03.080 felt like upon myself, like to talk ship back. Well, 3:08:03.120 --> 3:08:05.720 there was a reason for this, right, Um, I mean 3:08:05.840 --> 3:08:09.880 we were all, you know, kind of friends with James Bernard, 3:08:09.920 --> 3:08:13.440 who was senior editor at The Source, right and and 3:08:13.879 --> 3:08:17.279 uh he came and did the first interview with Cyprus 3:08:17.400 --> 3:08:20.680 on the Cyprus Block and we're cool with all good, 3:08:21.000 --> 3:08:22.960 you know what I mean, Like they celebrated us on 3:08:23.080 --> 3:08:25.880 the first album and then Black Sunday they gave us 3:08:25.879 --> 3:08:28.280 a great review and the whole ship. But then the 3:08:28.400 --> 3:08:33.000 very next um, the very next write up was you know, 3:08:33.200 --> 3:08:35.600 it was negative. And the reason was we were at 3:08:35.640 --> 3:08:40.560 an MTV party and uh or an MTV after party 3:08:40.640 --> 3:08:44.240 for uh MTV Awards when we used to go right 3:08:45.080 --> 3:08:47.560 and uh, you know, we're sitting there shooting ship with 3:08:47.680 --> 3:08:50.680 everybody that that we recognize, and it recognized as you know, 3:08:50.760 --> 3:08:53.879 how it goes, right, And so I'm having a conversation 3:08:54.040 --> 3:08:59.360 with James Bernard about like the TLC cover and you know, 3:09:00.040 --> 3:09:03.200 I was like, well, you know, like you're because there 3:09:03.320 --> 3:09:06.160 was I don't know if you know, of course you know, 3:09:06.520 --> 3:09:08.440 and I know you know, but there was like a 3:09:08.560 --> 3:09:14.040 criteria that had to be and they didn't meet the 3:09:14.120 --> 3:09:17.400 criteria at the time. And I expressed that to him. 3:09:17.520 --> 3:09:20.119 And as I expressed that to him, Joe Butcher, who 3:09:20.400 --> 3:09:23.480 you know, one of the owners of rough House Records, 3:09:23.640 --> 3:09:28.320 who was yeah, well yeah, he was the one that 3:09:28.440 --> 3:09:30.760 got you know, they signed as he knew mugs, you know, 3:09:30.920 --> 3:09:35.520 he kind of interrupts in that conversation, unknowing of what 3:09:35.680 --> 3:09:37.959 the conversation was. He was like, Yobi, I gotta talk 3:09:37.959 --> 3:09:41.120 to you about something real quick. And I said, Joe James, 3:09:41.440 --> 3:09:45.240 let's let's pick at a different time. And he took 3:09:45.280 --> 3:09:48.360 it personal that like he didn't get his rebuttal on 3:09:48.959 --> 3:09:51.760 you know at that point, like as to White, But 3:09:51.840 --> 3:09:54.040 he didn't have to fucking explain to me. I was 3:09:54.160 --> 3:09:57.240 just giving him an opinion, like, you know, because they 3:09:57.320 --> 3:10:00.320 held they held our ship so close, like we only 3:10:00.400 --> 3:10:02.800 got but one cover, and we met the criteria at 3:10:02.840 --> 3:10:05.840 times ten you know what I mean. But we never 3:10:06.080 --> 3:10:09.480 really complained about anything. We just he asked me an opinion. 3:10:09.520 --> 3:10:10.960 I gave it to him and he didn't like it. 3:10:11.160 --> 3:10:14.120 So then everything else that came after that was on 3:10:14.320 --> 3:10:18.920 negative about Cypress Hill. So then we said, well fuck 3:10:19.040 --> 3:10:23.640 the Source then, and we started burning that ship on stage, 3:10:24.320 --> 3:10:28.480 you know, like going out of everywhere, not not not 3:10:28.680 --> 3:10:34.960 just everywhere. And it made people go crazy when we 3:10:35.080 --> 3:10:37.400 did that, and salute the Source because we you know, 3:10:37.560 --> 3:10:40.920 we squashed our ship since then. But it started with 3:10:41.040 --> 3:10:43.800 James Bernard in my opinion of that TLC cover and 3:10:43.879 --> 3:10:47.680 TLC are legends, you know, and salute and respect to them. 3:10:47.840 --> 3:10:50.520 But he was asking me my opinion about that, and 3:10:50.600 --> 3:10:53.680 I gave him a time point because it can't understand 3:10:53.720 --> 3:10:56.480 that that time point, right, we were purius. You can't 3:10:56.480 --> 3:11:00.520 see TLC later, Yes, you got to see that, right. 3:11:00.600 --> 3:11:03.080 We were purists. Had to be hardcore hand to pop 3:11:03.160 --> 3:11:05.760 on the Source cover, That's who we were. He was like, 3:11:05.920 --> 3:11:07.840 we asked him one time, can we get on the 3:11:07.879 --> 3:11:09.320 cover of the Source. He's like, no, it has to 3:11:09.440 --> 3:11:11.560 be a second album. And then all of a sudden, 3:11:11.640 --> 3:11:14.280 Tales he was on there on their first album. You know, 3:11:15.120 --> 3:11:17.360 he was like, Yo, what's up with that ship? Yeah? 3:11:17.400 --> 3:11:20.880 And I just my name can't be be real if 3:11:20.920 --> 3:11:23.480 I'm not being one fucking thousand, and that was one 3:11:23.560 --> 3:11:25.280 thousand with him, and he didn't like that, and so 3:11:25.440 --> 3:11:29.320 the campaign against us begun. Hence the ship talking that 3:11:29.480 --> 3:11:32.680 San Dog was talking about, because they were celebrating the 3:11:32.840 --> 3:11:36.760 funk out of us before then after that Nah Fox 3:11:36.760 --> 3:11:39.800 Cyper s Hilver, they told sand Dog, they said, next 3:11:39.840 --> 3:11:42.160 time you burn a source on stage, watch out. You 3:11:42.240 --> 3:11:45.440 don't burn your green card. And they wrote that ship 3:11:45.560 --> 3:11:49.200 in the source, remember that ship. And we kept and 3:11:49.280 --> 3:11:53.280 we kept burning, we kept burning. But again, you know, eventually, 3:11:53.480 --> 3:11:55.440 you know, we sat down with Dave May's Salute to 3:11:55.520 --> 3:11:59.240 Dave May's and we squashed that ship out because I 3:11:59.280 --> 3:12:02.880 mean it was, you know, sorry, it was over nothing, 3:12:03.040 --> 3:12:04.400 you know what I mean. It was like, you know, 3:12:04.600 --> 3:12:07.680 over an opinion. And you know, at the time, James 3:12:07.720 --> 3:12:11.720 Bernardon and he jumped shipped to double XEL magazine after 3:12:11.800 --> 3:12:14.039 a while, so and then we had beef with them 3:12:14.720 --> 3:12:20.160 because he jumped over and took the beef we had 3:12:20.240 --> 3:12:22.760 with him right as you used to think like they 3:12:22.840 --> 3:12:25.280 was gangster writing articles about you, you know what I mean, 3:12:25.360 --> 3:12:28.480 like like you just write about what the funk we're doing? 3:12:28.520 --> 3:12:33.480 Shut the funk up. We forgive you, James Bernard, we 3:12:33.640 --> 3:12:36.960 forgive you. You know what's fun up about them was 3:12:37.080 --> 3:12:40.440 like you go write an article in like January and 3:12:40.600 --> 3:12:48.000 she won't come out to like mark you. You see 3:12:48.000 --> 3:12:53.840 what you was talking about, Like it's crazy, man. That's 3:12:53.840 --> 3:12:55.760 why I asked you about the internet, because the Internet. 3:12:56.320 --> 3:12:59.440 I remember, you know, I remember literally with my ass 3:13:00.200 --> 3:13:03.640 my my first solo album, second group a second album, 3:13:03.680 --> 3:13:07.280 but my first solo album, and we would drop it 3:13:07.360 --> 3:13:09.840 and I had to literally go to these countries we 3:13:09.879 --> 3:13:12.000 could they couldn't send the records, like I had to 3:13:12.080 --> 3:13:14.560 go there as to go to the London perform as 3:13:14.600 --> 3:13:17.000 to go and right now you could just send the Japan. 3:13:17.120 --> 3:13:21.040 It's just the Japan like like like like it's streaming something, 3:13:21.080 --> 3:13:23.160 you guys, and I know you guys did the Napster thing. 3:13:23.440 --> 3:13:26.760 It's streaming something that you're embracing or you have to 3:13:26.840 --> 3:13:30.119 embrace it. I think every kind of technology that comes along, 3:13:30.720 --> 3:13:34.240 you know, you know the road of your adventure. And 3:13:34.680 --> 3:13:37.000 if I mean, if you don't, then that's just a 3:13:37.120 --> 3:13:41.600 certain amount of numbers that you're gonna lose. In my opinion, Yeah, 3:13:41.680 --> 3:13:44.120 you have to get whatever they change. However, the game 3:13:44.240 --> 3:13:47.240 changes a certain amount of you have to change with 3:13:47.400 --> 3:13:50.760 it and go with that new certain platform, you know 3:13:50.800 --> 3:13:52.960 what I mean, Because that's just a new platform and 3:13:53.000 --> 3:13:55.440 it's just how it goes, and you adapt with the 3:13:55.520 --> 3:13:58.360 times or you don't. You know, if you adapt with 3:13:58.440 --> 3:14:01.800 the times, I think young longer than if you don't 3:14:01.840 --> 3:14:05.320 adapt with what's going on technology wise. Yeah, I mean, 3:14:05.440 --> 3:14:06.840 you know, and you've got to look at it as 3:14:06.920 --> 3:14:10.200 it's a broader platform. It could get out to two 3:14:10.600 --> 3:14:15.640 bigger numbers. Yeah, if you know, if it goes quote 3:14:15.680 --> 3:14:19.360 unquote viral. You know what I'm saying. But it depends 3:14:19.400 --> 3:14:20.880 on the work you put into it and how you 3:14:21.000 --> 3:14:23.360 promote it and how you market the ship and like 3:14:23.520 --> 3:14:25.640 how much you how hard you go to get it 3:14:25.720 --> 3:14:28.480 out there. Because we've done live streams. I mean I've 3:14:28.520 --> 3:14:31.200 been doing that ship for you know, twelve years now, 3:14:32.000 --> 3:14:34.800 Like with my b Real TV platform, and I realized 3:14:34.840 --> 3:14:37.120 that that that was like a platform because I used 3:14:37.160 --> 3:14:40.440 to do radio in Los Angeles, Bobo and myself and 3:14:40.520 --> 3:14:43.720 we realized having a platform is everything, you know, So 3:14:44.200 --> 3:14:46.200 you know, if you wanted to do performances, if you 3:14:46.280 --> 3:14:50.480 wanted to market your new ship or whatever, creating a 3:14:50.600 --> 3:14:54.720 platform is everything. So you know, if you have it 3:14:54.840 --> 3:14:57.080 at your fingertips, you do it. And we've tried to 3:14:57.200 --> 3:15:01.440 utilize it in every aspects talk about yeah, yeah, yeah, 3:15:01.560 --> 3:15:05.119 you know because realistically, you know, that's the one way 3:15:05.200 --> 3:15:09.160 you get out to everybody. And you know, like so 3:15:09.480 --> 3:15:12.880 for instance, with the pandemic, right, um, we were we 3:15:13.000 --> 3:15:15.160 were all shut down at that point. We weren't doing 3:15:15.200 --> 3:15:18.360 any live shows at this point, like getting in front 3:15:18.440 --> 3:15:21.800 of people, but we were fortunate enough to be still 3:15:22.760 --> 3:15:26.480 doing ship and be busy. Well that was happening via 3:15:26.680 --> 3:15:28.959 these streams, you know what I mean, because we would 3:15:29.000 --> 3:15:33.080 put out live stream performances or you know, things like that, 3:15:33.440 --> 3:15:36.840 and uh so it could be your friend if you 3:15:37.200 --> 3:15:40.959 if you use it, right, Um, so you know we've 3:15:41.120 --> 3:15:44.400 we've always tried to like utilize the tools that we 3:15:44.520 --> 3:15:46.680 have in front of us. So that's definitely one of them. 3:15:47.160 --> 3:15:49.480 Right now, both were you sending and be really you 3:15:49.640 --> 3:15:53.960 both got like very unique voices, Like there's no like 3:15:54.160 --> 3:15:56.280 when I hear your voice, I noticed you. When I 3:15:56.360 --> 3:15:59.000 hear your voice, I know that's you. There's not a 3:15:59.120 --> 3:16:02.000 lot of people who distinct voices like that. Who's the 3:16:02.080 --> 3:16:05.480 one of who's both of you guys, who's someone that's 3:16:05.520 --> 3:16:07.920 a How's unique voice that you guys are Chuck d 3:16:08.920 --> 3:16:17.400 that's a good one. Us Unique rock him, Unique ad Rock, Unique, 3:16:18.320 --> 3:16:25.720 Q Tip, Unique, bust Rhymes unique. You know what I'm saying. 3:16:25.800 --> 3:16:30.080 Like these these guys got voices that cut through anything, 3:16:31.320 --> 3:16:34.080 and and so you know, we wanted we wanted that 3:16:34.320 --> 3:16:36.720 for us, So we developed our ship. Like my rap 3:16:36.920 --> 3:16:40.560 voice wasn't what it what it was on records before 3:16:40.640 --> 3:16:43.400 we figured it out, you know what I mean, it 3:16:43.600 --> 3:16:47.560 was very It was fucking whacked, to be honest with you, Yes, 3:16:48.959 --> 3:16:51.120 just like the young demos, you know, that's what I 3:16:51.160 --> 3:16:52.760 was trying to figure it out, what the funk we're doing? 3:16:53.320 --> 3:16:55.400 And then and then I figured out my voice from 3:16:55.440 --> 3:16:59.360 a from again a ram mell Z record. Ram mel 3:16:59.480 --> 3:17:02.120 Z you to pitch his voice, he you know, start 3:17:02.200 --> 3:17:04.240 off with the low tone and then he flipped to 3:17:04.320 --> 3:17:06.800 a fucking high tone out of nowhere, randomly in a 3:17:06.879 --> 3:17:09.480 in a rap song. And that's what gave me the 3:17:09.600 --> 3:17:12.480 idea to do my ship like that, because my my 3:17:12.680 --> 3:17:16.560 voice wasn't cutting through, and we all knew at that point, 3:17:16.720 --> 3:17:19.640 you know, like send Dog, I mean send dog mugs 3:17:19.680 --> 3:17:22.200 and myself this is before Bobo. We knew that like 3:17:23.160 --> 3:17:25.520 gott to be distinct and it's gotta cut through. So 3:17:25.800 --> 3:17:29.160 me pitching my voice was an idea I had to, 3:17:29.720 --> 3:17:34.080 you know, to cut through because my voice. My writing 3:17:34.240 --> 3:17:36.680 was good, but my voice was just not there. And 3:17:37.240 --> 3:17:40.119 when that happened, it became a little bit more interesting 3:17:40.800 --> 3:17:43.120 and the songs became a little bit more interesting and 3:17:43.240 --> 3:17:47.240 they had more color in it. So you know, having 3:17:47.879 --> 3:17:50.000 you know, a distinct voices, I mean, you know, like 3:17:50.120 --> 3:17:52.240 where you recognize it off the top of all. That's 3:17:52.520 --> 3:17:57.640 like jay z distinct voice you want. It's just people 3:17:57.640 --> 3:18:00.560 who who who bit jay Z? Yeah, but they can't 3:18:00.600 --> 3:18:05.400 sound like him, just like people can't sound like like. 3:18:05.480 --> 3:18:08.600 There's been many motherfucker's trying to sound like Buster and 3:18:08.680 --> 3:18:12.760 it sounds like you did come close somebody you like, 3:18:12.959 --> 3:18:20.160 um um voice tomes uh king dmc wow from the 3:18:20.240 --> 3:18:23.120 Hollis Crew, you know what I mean. That's one of 3:18:23.160 --> 3:18:25.680 the dudes, one of my original like dudes that I 3:18:25.760 --> 3:18:27.960 look up to as like a because he wasn't on 3:18:28.360 --> 3:18:30.560 He wasn't even the primary rhymer and all this stuff. 3:18:30.879 --> 3:18:33.400 He was a secondary rhymer And I respect that kind 3:18:33.440 --> 3:18:35.320 of ship. You know what I mean. So I looked 3:18:35.360 --> 3:18:39.360 at him as a as a like a like an 3:18:39.480 --> 3:18:44.680 inspiration and then also said, g from Ultra Magnetic, Am 3:18:44.680 --> 3:18:49.400 I taking you back? Now? All right? That was always 3:18:49.440 --> 3:18:53.640 cool kid come up with the danger ship and then 3:18:53.720 --> 3:18:56.440 said come up, you know what I mean, and and 3:18:56.720 --> 3:18:59.200 follow that up with a with a certain punch, And 3:18:59.280 --> 3:19:01.240 that always tressed me, you know what I mean. It 3:19:01.360 --> 3:19:05.800 wasn't always the you know, it's all production things like 3:19:05.920 --> 3:19:08.280 so the primary dudo is all good and great, but 3:19:08.280 --> 3:19:10.120 I want to hear what the next guy coming, how 3:19:10.280 --> 3:19:12.720 he's gonna add to the song, and how he's gonna 3:19:12.840 --> 3:19:16.400 uplift it and this and that kind of thing. And uh, 3:19:16.840 --> 3:19:18.840 you know, most picked up on that as I was 3:19:18.920 --> 3:19:23.280 doing the whole you know, good man ship, and he's 3:19:23.320 --> 3:19:29.680 like elevator, more of a prominent secondary role, you know 3:19:29.680 --> 3:19:31.960 what I mean. So that's the kind of due that 3:19:32.000 --> 3:19:33.440 I would look up to. It wasn't I was the 3:19:33.480 --> 3:19:36.440 primary cat. It was you know, sometimes I would look 3:19:36.480 --> 3:19:39.520 at the you know, like the second dude or even 3:19:39.600 --> 3:19:41.600 sometimes even the third dude, you know what I mean, 3:19:42.160 --> 3:19:44.320 and I would find inspiration in that kind of thing. 3:19:45.000 --> 3:19:47.440 That's that's that's crazy, like Loys Lost Boys was freaky 3:19:47.520 --> 3:19:51.440 tie right. Yeah, it's all about the you know what 3:19:51.520 --> 3:19:54.199 I mean. But you needed that, like that wasn't something 3:19:54.240 --> 3:19:56.200 that you could go without. That that added to what 3:19:56.360 --> 3:19:59.240 the group was, like even flav like even flame like 3:20:00.440 --> 3:20:05.720 Public without flicks. Also like Eric Sermon, you know what 3:20:05.720 --> 3:20:09.600 I'm saying. Eric Sermon's voice was very distinct of course, 3:20:09.680 --> 3:20:13.480 of course, yeah, yeah, yeah, like he had that slight lisp. 3:20:14.400 --> 3:20:17.800 I mean, you know, like the EP of D Ship 3:20:17.920 --> 3:20:20.640 that was like we had major run with that ship 3:20:20.879 --> 3:20:25.000 like that in Pe was always in the system and 3:20:25.360 --> 3:20:29.000 you know, like Eric Sermon's voice always cut through in 3:20:29.240 --> 3:20:31.560 just in a different way, you know what I'm saying, 3:20:31.600 --> 3:20:36.920 And um, that's in hip hop at that point. That's 3:20:36.959 --> 3:20:40.000 what you needed, that distinction and your own sound. That's 3:20:40.040 --> 3:20:43.440 what he was listening to, Like eight nine p m D. 3:20:43.600 --> 3:20:47.680 Public Enemy, Ultra Magnetic, you have to be mad different 3:20:47.720 --> 3:20:50.720 than anything that was needed. It was a month that 3:20:50.840 --> 3:20:55.280 was creatively different from everybody else. Yeah, and I don't 3:20:55.320 --> 3:20:59.560 know so much of a of a thing today, but 3:20:59.720 --> 3:21:02.240 back in our day, you know what I mean, that's 3:21:13.040 --> 3:21:16.480 your own original sound and that's gonna set you apart 3:21:16.560 --> 3:21:19.840 from the fields. Yeah, that's the truth of it. Though 3:21:21.480 --> 3:21:24.039 they happen to the show at a place where they 3:21:24.120 --> 3:21:32.000 don't allow smoke marijuana. Yes, anywhere in Texas, everywhere, everywhere, 3:21:32.040 --> 3:21:34.880 there was no well we started smoking on stage, there 3:21:34.959 --> 3:21:40.680 was no order. We're not I don't listen. Here's the thing. 3:21:40.840 --> 3:21:43.040 Either they had mad love for us and they gave 3:21:43.120 --> 3:21:45.120 us the past or they didn't think we had the 3:21:45.200 --> 3:21:48.960 audacity to be smoking real weed up on stage. That 3:21:49.120 --> 3:21:51.080 had to be fake. You know what I'm saying. I 3:21:51.120 --> 3:21:53.280 don't know what it is. I can't answer it for him, 3:21:53.360 --> 3:21:55.480 but like we got away with it in places that 3:21:56.200 --> 3:21:59.160 you normally shouldn't and wouldn't get away with it. We 3:21:59.440 --> 3:22:03.480 were black. God bless the funk out of us in 3:22:03.680 --> 3:22:06.520 some way that we gotta wait with smoking in places 3:22:06.560 --> 3:22:10.240 that you don't or you're not supposed to. And yeah, 3:22:10.560 --> 3:22:14.480 most definitely and chances, but I'll say this for some 3:22:14.840 --> 3:22:17.400 for some spots they would warn us. And in those 3:22:17.440 --> 3:22:21.480 spots we were like, okay, cool, then yeah, something like that. 3:22:21.680 --> 3:22:24.000 Upon the stage, you're going to jail. They're waiting for you. 3:22:24.360 --> 3:22:27.000 Like back in the day in Texas, if they were fans, 3:22:27.120 --> 3:22:29.120 they'd come and warn us, and you know, give us 3:22:29.160 --> 3:22:32.160 the heads up, like, hey, listen, we're fans, but you 3:22:32.240 --> 3:22:35.240 can't smoke that ship on stage. Otherwise we gotta arrest you. 3:22:35.360 --> 3:22:38.440 And that's us doing our job. Do what you want 3:22:38.480 --> 3:22:40.760 to do, but guess you know, just know that we 3:22:40.920 --> 3:22:43.720 have to take you in if you fucking go right. 3:22:43.840 --> 3:22:48.080 So when they gave us the heads up, yeah, we 3:22:48.200 --> 3:22:51.160 were inclined to be smart enough to listen to that advice. 3:22:51.680 --> 3:22:54.120 If they didn't tell us, we would just take it 3:22:54.240 --> 3:22:57.000 upon ourselves to be like, we're gonna do this ship 3:22:57.240 --> 3:22:59.720 and that's it. Because I feel like y'all and Snoop 3:22:59.760 --> 3:23:05.080 got the ultimate meat anywhere past, like yeah close, I 3:23:05.200 --> 3:23:06.880 feel like I feel like I feel like as soon 3:23:06.920 --> 3:23:08.560 as y'all take into the hotel, they're supposed to be 3:23:08.560 --> 3:23:10.800 like Incipe, the sales here. That's it. I'll tell you. 3:23:11.400 --> 3:23:15.560 I took a lot of fines my time in hotels 3:23:15.560 --> 3:23:17.880 because my room this church. When it comes to smoke, 3:23:21.959 --> 3:23:26.960 I'm gonna get in there tomorrow, right, Yes, my my 3:23:27.440 --> 3:23:29.760 roommates like my room it's the temple, it's the church. 3:23:30.320 --> 3:23:32.440 You know. We blow my room up and I get 3:23:32.480 --> 3:23:35.199 the charges, But inside, are you going on the balcony 3:23:35.280 --> 3:23:37.600 if we got a balcony, we're going on the balcony. 3:23:37.600 --> 3:23:42.200 I now we're blown of these days were covering the 3:23:42.280 --> 3:23:45.120 smoke detector and we're blowing that ship up. That we 3:23:45.200 --> 3:23:47.600 did with the first new episode. We had to put 3:23:47.800 --> 3:23:50.080 the towels on the smoke detectors, take them out like 3:23:50.280 --> 3:23:55.600 our cappy, yeah, our cat. Yeah. But do we I 3:23:55.720 --> 3:23:57.560 mean back in the days used to put, you know, 3:23:57.760 --> 3:24:00.920 a tower under the door and have some spray. That's 3:24:01.000 --> 3:24:09.800 the word. This doesn't have me a balcony room on 3:24:09.920 --> 3:24:15.920 the smoke alarm. Yeah, that's the works. Man, Holy moly, man, 3:24:17.000 --> 3:24:19.119 Jesus man. That's been so great. Man. Like I said, 3:24:19.200 --> 3:24:22.160 man um, when we started this show, we wanted to 3:24:22.200 --> 3:24:25.440 give people, you know, they flowers, they roses while they alive. 3:24:25.520 --> 3:24:27.320 You know, so many people you in this game ten 3:24:27.440 --> 3:24:30.160 years and they want to say, you know, you washed up. 3:24:30.879 --> 3:24:33.200 And it's like that world don't exist in any other 3:24:33.280 --> 3:24:35.760 genre of music but hip hop. It's like and and 3:24:35.840 --> 3:24:37.880 the thing is, we noticed a young man's sport. We 3:24:37.959 --> 3:24:40.680 get it, we get it, we noticed a young but 3:24:40.760 --> 3:24:42.800 it's also the O. G. S who told us we 3:24:43.040 --> 3:24:44.840 looked up to O. G. S. And now that we're 3:24:44.879 --> 3:24:46.960 the o G s. I don't want to just bow 3:24:47.080 --> 3:24:49.960 out like that is still in it what I'm saying 3:24:50.000 --> 3:24:52.960 to the creative sport. Let's just say listen to the 3:24:53.080 --> 3:24:56.000 Yellow to the Yellow boys coming up, and y'all know 3:24:56.440 --> 3:24:58.680 we give it to y'all. We love y'all, but you 3:24:58.840 --> 3:25:02.080 can'tnot take it away from we. We late never because 3:25:02.080 --> 3:25:04.160 they would never be another type of sales. You know 3:25:04.200 --> 3:25:06.200 what I'm saying, Like there will never be another type 3:25:06.240 --> 3:25:08.360 of sales. So I want to give y'all y'all love 3:25:08.400 --> 3:25:10.400 to y'all face. You know what I'm saying to you. 3:25:10.680 --> 3:25:12.760 You know we love y'all for real, like y'all open 3:25:12.840 --> 3:25:15.760 the door for not only you know, not West Coast rap, 3:25:16.040 --> 3:25:19.240 you know, not only latinos, but just for great music 3:25:19.480 --> 3:25:21.680 and music that you just want to just just just 3:25:22.040 --> 3:25:24.080 and and all of your brothers. I know all your 3:25:24.120 --> 3:25:27.160 brothers individually, all of your brothers are fucking great people. 3:25:27.360 --> 3:25:28.760 I just want to say that to your face. You 3:25:28.800 --> 3:25:32.280 know what I'm saying. I gotta give you money. I 3:25:32.400 --> 3:25:34.200 got you guys here when you stop my class and 3:25:38.800 --> 3:25:54.120 we're gonna not real talk. Though it's crazy for me 3:25:54.240 --> 3:25:56.960 to be right here sitting down with y'all absolutely. And 3:25:57.040 --> 3:25:59.080 I'm telling you this as a as a Cuban kid 3:25:59.640 --> 3:26:03.520 born in l A to Cuban exiles raising south Gate 3:26:03.600 --> 3:26:06.560 to a young age, and then moved to Miami and 3:26:06.640 --> 3:26:09.360 be a Cuban kid in Miami. Didn't understand being a 3:26:09.400 --> 3:26:11.080 Cuban kid in Miami because I'm an l A kid. 3:26:11.760 --> 3:26:14.960 And then y'all come out, and how important that was 3:26:15.400 --> 3:26:18.680 to someone like myself, you know what I'm saying to understand, like, oh, ship, 3:26:18.760 --> 3:26:21.880 there's roots there, there's something I can identify with and 3:26:21.959 --> 3:26:24.320 I'm and I'm I'm already a hip hop head and 3:26:24.600 --> 3:26:28.720 and it it inspires me and that might not get 3:26:28.800 --> 3:26:31.600 me here sitting down right now, just letting you know that, 3:26:32.040 --> 3:26:34.320 and it's just so inspirational. Man, I want to thank y'all. 3:26:34.520 --> 3:26:36.959 Y'all the biggest thing to me and to a lot 3:26:37.000 --> 3:26:39.720 of my crazy hood crew that's here, Like we love y'all, man, 3:26:39.840 --> 3:26:49.360 Like y'all think right to that, to that this is 3:26:49.440 --> 3:26:53.240 the young man's game, ship, right, That's the narrative that is, 3:26:53.680 --> 3:26:56.920 you know, perpetuated by record companies and radio stations, and 3:26:57.600 --> 3:27:00.920 that's because both don't know how to each out to 3:27:01.080 --> 3:27:03.320 the folks that grew up with this ship. They don't 3:27:03.360 --> 3:27:05.400 know how to market and promote to the to the 3:27:05.480 --> 3:27:09.000 folks that grew up with our ship, who now our parents, 3:27:09.400 --> 3:27:13.200 and they got mortgages and fucking leases or whatever the 3:27:13.280 --> 3:27:16.160 fucking bills to pay that they're not like tuned in 3:27:16.360 --> 3:27:20.480 to the Friday and Tuesday new music drops. The record 3:27:20.560 --> 3:27:23.680 companies forget about them. They grew up with you, and 3:27:23.720 --> 3:27:26.280 they're always fucking with you, but they're not as aware 3:27:26.400 --> 3:27:29.160 as they were when they were teens on Fridays now 3:27:29.440 --> 3:27:32.960 well Tuesdays and Friday, Tuesday on our on our on 3:27:33.120 --> 3:27:42.040 our calendar, Friday and Fridays, right, So they don't know 3:27:42.400 --> 3:27:46.959 how to get to like the people past thirty something 3:27:47.120 --> 3:27:49.800 into their fifties who grew up with this music, who 3:27:49.879 --> 3:27:52.920 still funk with it, but they don't find it like 3:27:53.120 --> 3:27:56.120 they used to because they got real life things that 3:27:56.160 --> 3:27:58.080 they're dealing with as opposed to when you're a teen. 3:27:58.440 --> 3:28:01.280 I'm waiting on this day for the new ship, right, 3:28:01.720 --> 3:28:05.440 different responsibilities, right, and the record companies in the radio 3:28:05.520 --> 3:28:09.200 stations ain't geared towards finding them. They're like this ship, right, 3:28:09.280 --> 3:28:12.600 here's what we've been doing, geared towards the teens. How 3:28:12.640 --> 3:28:16.640 do you connect fifty year old thirty thirty year old bands, 3:28:16.720 --> 3:28:20.520 fifty year old rappers, thirty year old bands, two teens 3:28:21.000 --> 3:28:23.400 like eighteen to thirty four? How do you connect that? 3:28:23.800 --> 3:28:26.240 They don't got the formula. That's why a lot of 3:28:26.360 --> 3:28:30.240 times groups in our time we don't get rotation from 3:28:30.280 --> 3:28:33.040 these radio stations. You could go up there for the 3:28:33.160 --> 3:28:35.640 interview and all that ship, and they're gonna play it 3:28:35.760 --> 3:28:38.920 that one time and when you leave, fuck you cool. 3:28:38.959 --> 3:28:41.240 It's good having them up here, but they're not rotating 3:28:41.280 --> 3:28:43.640 the record because they don't know how to connect with 3:28:43.800 --> 3:28:47.160 that base. But guess what is out there. It's out 3:28:47.200 --> 3:28:49.280 there because we who grew up to hip hop still 3:28:49.360 --> 3:28:52.520 listen to hip hop, new ship and old ship alike. 3:28:53.200 --> 3:28:56.840 Just these motherfucker's ain't figured out how to connect that together. 3:28:57.400 --> 3:29:00.240 So this is a young man's game. That's bull ship 3:29:00.320 --> 3:29:01.760 as long as you have it in you and you 3:29:01.879 --> 3:29:04.560 still have to passion. This is your game for as 3:29:04.680 --> 3:29:07.400 long as you want to funk with it. Look at 3:29:07.520 --> 3:29:12.280 KRS one and it's a creative man's or woman right, 3:29:13.440 --> 3:29:15.800 So you know all that young man's game. Ship is 3:29:15.840 --> 3:29:18.320 a false narrator. Yeah, it's it's it's it's yeah, I 3:29:18.520 --> 3:29:21.880 agree with you. The mainstream industry is what we're talking about. 3:29:21.920 --> 3:29:24.880 That's the young man's game, right, But that's it. But 3:29:25.400 --> 3:29:29.600 we've already that's obsolete. That industry is obsolete. It's been obsolete. 3:29:30.240 --> 3:29:32.680 When you guys are the national tour. It's the beginning 3:29:33.040 --> 3:29:35.960 of how that's obsolete. They say it's two things you 3:29:36.000 --> 3:29:39.280 should never workshop, money and youth because they all come 3:29:39.320 --> 3:29:48.040 and go choose that. That was deep up right, that 3:29:52.520 --> 3:29:56.800 what's next? What's next? You know, new experiences, you know 3:29:56.840 --> 3:30:01.039 what I mean? Like music, Really, we're gonna keep doing 3:30:01.080 --> 3:30:03.120 our thing, but we're trying to, you know, develop a 3:30:03.160 --> 3:30:06.720 new experience for people rather than just traditional albums because 3:30:06.800 --> 3:30:10.400 I mean, you know, hey, yeah it doesn't make sense anymore. 3:30:10.480 --> 3:30:13.080 So you know we've been talking about a different experience. 3:30:13.240 --> 3:30:17.160 So you know what we might do one last traditional 3:30:17.240 --> 3:30:22.360 album and then the rest is like who knows. Um 3:30:23.400 --> 3:30:25.720 could be n f T s, could be immersive, it 3:30:25.800 --> 3:30:28.480 could be something just something different, you know what I mean, 3:30:28.480 --> 3:30:30.039 Because I mean, we've been in this game a long 3:30:30.160 --> 3:30:33.400 time and like how do we stay interested? Right, there's 3:30:33.440 --> 3:30:35.640 got to be and we're always trying to be out 3:30:35.720 --> 3:30:39.160 of the box. So it's like challenging ourselves, what what 3:30:39.360 --> 3:30:42.920 can we do different to give to people than this 3:30:43.120 --> 3:30:45.880 traditional album ship. But you know what's important is that 3:30:46.600 --> 3:30:51.000 you guys have the opportunity to take advantage of the 3:30:51.120 --> 3:30:55.240 investment you put into the fans to be able to 3:30:55.680 --> 3:30:58.800 play with that world, that new world of that how 3:30:58.840 --> 3:31:00.960 do we do this because the fans will follow you. 3:31:01.680 --> 3:31:03.920 And that's an example that needs to be understood to 3:31:04.080 --> 3:31:08.039 anybody doing this and in this industry, like, you need 3:31:08.120 --> 3:31:11.000 to invest in your fans. That's right what I'm saying. 3:31:11.040 --> 3:31:12.480 And I think that what you guys have done, you 3:31:12.600 --> 3:31:15.359 invested in yourselves. That's right. And and you know, salute 3:31:15.360 --> 3:31:17.360 to our fans out there because they've held us up 3:31:17.920 --> 3:31:21.320 with new records and without. They've come to the shows 3:31:21.360 --> 3:31:25.720 and they've represented and they've been you know, the ones 3:31:25.760 --> 3:31:29.480 who like hold us up, you know when other motherfucker's 3:31:29.560 --> 3:31:31.720 counting us out. You know what I mean, Our fans 3:31:32.160 --> 3:31:34.440 who we do it for. You know, we're vessels of 3:31:34.640 --> 3:31:38.000 our creativity. Boom, it goes to the fans, they receive 3:31:38.080 --> 3:31:43.280 it and they hold us up. H Now, why did 3:31:43.320 --> 3:31:46.080 you stop smoking blunts? You know it was it was 3:31:46.160 --> 3:31:48.080 fucking with my voice a little bit. You know. We 3:31:48.120 --> 3:31:50.240 we had a run where we were doing a whole 3:31:50.280 --> 3:31:55.160 lot of Jack Daniels and blunts after before, before and 3:31:55.280 --> 3:32:07.160 after shows to try it. So what we were the 3:32:07.280 --> 3:32:10.000 Jack Daniels Crew, and you know, we were smoking blunts 3:32:10.000 --> 3:32:12.240 at the time. But every show, I was like sucking up. 3:32:12.280 --> 3:32:14.200 My voice had come back and it'd be hoarse, and 3:32:14.360 --> 3:32:16.879 like doing the next show, my voice would get worse 3:32:16.959 --> 3:32:20.080 and worse and worse. And and partially it was the 3:32:20.120 --> 3:32:22.640 blunts and the fucking whiskey, you know. And I and 3:32:22.720 --> 3:32:26.160 I changed up a lot of ship to keep my 3:32:26.360 --> 3:32:29.280 voice similar to what we do on the albums, because 3:32:29.400 --> 3:32:31.480 like that always bothered me as a fan, Like if 3:32:31.520 --> 3:32:34.520 I went to see someone and they they're screaming all 3:32:34.600 --> 3:32:36.880 over the place and they don't got no control and 3:32:36.920 --> 3:32:39.040 they don't sound shit like they do on the album, 3:32:39.160 --> 3:32:42.160 that bothers me. So I thought, like, if I was 3:32:42.280 --> 3:32:44.880 coming to see us, I want to hear me the 3:32:44.959 --> 3:32:46.880 way I am on the fucking album, So I'd like 3:32:47.000 --> 3:32:49.360 try to get control of that. Blunts was one of 3:32:49.440 --> 3:32:55.160 those things, and drinking the whiskey before the show was yeah, 3:32:56.760 --> 3:33:05.600 I got It's a combination in a singer, singer Rihanna, Yes, 3:33:05.840 --> 3:33:12.440 she suppos blust, Like where does this blust? There's no joint. 3:33:12.520 --> 3:33:16.360 But singing is different. You're you're it is, it's different 3:33:16.440 --> 3:33:22.160 your system. Yes, listen to break it down. F So 3:33:22.320 --> 3:33:28.440 they're sustaining notes, right, they're sustaining notes, lesser phrase right, 3:33:28.480 --> 3:33:31.240 in other words, lesser words in their phrases. Their verses 3:33:31.280 --> 3:33:37.360 are our six teen bars for a rap verse is 3:33:37.440 --> 3:33:40.640 their eight bar? You know what I mean? Understand me. So, 3:33:41.360 --> 3:33:43.600 like when they do their ship, it's it's it's not 3:33:43.800 --> 3:33:47.040 necessarily this that it's less work. It's not it's absolute work. 3:33:47.080 --> 3:33:50.039 They gotta stay in key. They gotta hold that pocket 3:33:50.200 --> 3:33:54.480 in what they do. But we are wrapping sixteen fucking bars. 3:33:54.560 --> 3:33:57.640 You know how many words are in sixteen bars? And 3:33:57.720 --> 3:34:01.240 then the breath pockets within those fucking bars. It's slightly 3:34:02.000 --> 3:34:05.680 a little more difficult. Now we don't gotta necessarily stay 3:34:05.720 --> 3:34:08.160 in key the way singers do. But we gotta stay 3:34:08.200 --> 3:34:10.360 on that beat. And he got a great argument, and 3:34:10.440 --> 3:34:12.720 we got a key one, and he gotta and we 3:34:12.800 --> 3:34:16.560 gotta keep our tone because like anyone can write a 3:34:16.720 --> 3:34:20.440 song and then like you know, put it out a 3:34:20.560 --> 3:34:23.440 certain way. But when you go performing, do you sound 3:34:23.560 --> 3:34:28.800 like that? And the blunts were yes, and blunts were 3:34:28.879 --> 3:34:31.880 working against that. For me, it kept on fucking cutting 3:34:31.959 --> 3:34:35.080 my voice scratchy, you know, raspy. I was starting to 3:34:35.120 --> 3:34:37.080 sound like bust the rhymes out there. Dog, you know 3:34:37.080 --> 3:34:39.880 what I'm saying. That's not the way I sound on records. 3:34:40.360 --> 3:34:48.039 So the whiskey man, both I got. Okay, Okay, okay, alright, 3:34:49.920 --> 3:34:56.600 what is that? Okay? Okay, okay, okay. Holy shit, man, 3:34:56.680 --> 3:35:02.680 this is great. And you know I love this ship man. 3:35:02.760 --> 3:35:06.960 I love this ship. I love this ship man. Yes, yes, 3:35:07.080 --> 3:35:10.879 I love I love. Um. You guys are always positive? 3:35:12.320 --> 3:35:13.560 Why you Why do you even got a little bit 3:35:13.560 --> 3:35:19.800 of negative juice? Because the negativity, uh has never scarred 3:35:19.840 --> 3:35:23.760 me as as bad as some people would would think 3:35:23.959 --> 3:35:27.600 it has. I mean since me and my brothers here, 3:35:27.840 --> 3:35:30.120 you know, we we built the thing up and it 3:35:30.240 --> 3:35:35.240 became successful. Um, it's kind of hard to be sour 3:35:35.440 --> 3:35:38.120 behind success, you know what I mean. You have to 3:35:38.280 --> 3:35:40.600 enjoy what you guys have built and what we've made 3:35:40.879 --> 3:35:44.800 with our lives and everything and now our families, you know, 3:35:45.000 --> 3:35:47.920 get to live, you know, a good life behind that. 3:35:48.040 --> 3:35:51.920 So I have no I have no fucking sarcasm or 3:35:51.959 --> 3:35:54.720 anything like that with Ship that we have done, because 3:35:54.760 --> 3:35:57.280 there's no need for that. You know. We get to 3:35:57.360 --> 3:35:59.480 make good money and to around the world and do 3:35:59.600 --> 3:36:03.360 what we of as teenagers, what we talked about, right, 3:36:03.800 --> 3:36:07.800 and then continue on forward. So don't I don't really 3:36:07.840 --> 3:36:10.960 have like a negative side of this past my my 3:36:11.160 --> 3:36:17.440 younger self, right, my adult self is completely fine. I'll 3:36:17.480 --> 3:36:21.640 say this six be real as opposed to be real. 3:36:21.760 --> 3:36:26.600 Two different like each other. You know, they with each other, 3:36:26.680 --> 3:36:32.440 but you don't sometimes, Yeah, they hung out. Yeah, I 3:36:32.640 --> 3:36:39.840 was was pretty much mad at the world that that. Like, 3:36:40.680 --> 3:36:43.320 you know, we were working on Temple Temple Boom at 3:36:43.360 --> 3:36:45.680 this time, and we were fucking mad at the world 3:36:45.760 --> 3:36:48.360 at that point. Like you know, Ship people counted us 3:36:48.400 --> 3:36:51.400 out on the third record. They thought we was done, 3:36:51.480 --> 3:36:54.520 and you know, Ship with Sony was kind of weird 3:36:54.640 --> 3:36:57.080 and management was kind of weird, and that was kind 3:36:57.080 --> 3:36:59.560 of at the time where Sandog sort of you know, 3:37:00.360 --> 3:37:02.280 dip for a minute, you know what I mean. And 3:37:02.600 --> 3:37:05.480 so it was it was a crazy time and I was, 3:37:05.640 --> 3:37:09.680 like Bobo could tell you I was. I was that guy, 3:37:11.040 --> 3:37:20.080 you know, asshole, asshole, whateverybody with everybody that, like, not 3:37:20.240 --> 3:37:23.520 the fans, but like, you know, yeah, man, I was 3:37:23.640 --> 3:37:26.280 just like on some funk everybody ship at that point, 3:37:27.640 --> 3:37:31.240 just no, no, no, no, not that. Yeah, you know, 3:37:31.400 --> 3:37:33.760 like because what the businesses, you know, like when you 3:37:33.879 --> 3:37:35.440 get in, you don't know what the funk it is. 3:37:35.520 --> 3:37:37.960 You're like, oh, ship, I'm in. And then as you 3:37:38.160 --> 3:37:42.560 learn what it is, and you learned from manager, managers, agents, 3:37:42.640 --> 3:37:46.120 fucking record company, motherfucker's and ship like that, and and 3:37:46.280 --> 3:37:48.920 just the game, and you know, it could get to 3:37:49.000 --> 3:37:51.240 you in the in the in the realm of like, 3:37:51.480 --> 3:37:55.160 you know, fuck this ship, this ship is fucking bullshit right, 3:37:56.200 --> 3:38:00.560 stop what motherfucker's think it is? Hence Rock Superstar, you 3:38:00.600 --> 3:38:03.119 know what I mean. And in nineties six, I was like, man, 3:38:03.440 --> 3:38:05.480 fuck all that. And I was drinking a lot of 3:38:05.520 --> 3:38:09.560 whiskey at that point and smoking the blunts and uh, 3:38:09.760 --> 3:38:11.920 you know, I just did not give a funk at 3:38:12.000 --> 3:38:15.400 that point. And you know, it wasn't that I was 3:38:15.520 --> 3:38:17.840 terrible to people, because I know I wasn't two fans, 3:38:18.040 --> 3:38:22.160 but like I was terrible in my fucking head. It 3:38:22.320 --> 3:38:25.600 was crazy, but we were doing well better than a 3:38:25.680 --> 3:38:28.240 lot of motherfucker's thought, you know, with that Temple of 3:38:28.280 --> 3:38:32.160 Boom album, is piste off as I was in that time, 3:38:33.160 --> 3:38:36.320 that ship was well received. You know when people thought 3:38:36.360 --> 3:38:39.640 we were gonna fall off, we were playing last We 3:38:39.720 --> 3:38:43.040 were playing that music on on Smoking Grooves tour and 3:38:43.200 --> 3:38:45.880 salute to carro Lewis for putting us on that tour 3:38:45.959 --> 3:38:49.760 at time. Um, we were playing that music before anybody 3:38:49.840 --> 3:38:52.560 had heard it. And this was not something that you 3:38:52.720 --> 3:38:54.920 did in hip hop when you were established. We were 3:38:55.040 --> 3:38:59.240 on that tour playing Temples of Boom music before anybody 3:38:59.320 --> 3:39:02.400 fucking heard it. In the reaction that we were getting 3:39:03.160 --> 3:39:05.200 was fucking awesome. Right was a Temple the book? Right? 3:39:05.440 --> 3:39:08.720 It was TEMpl Boom and you know that was that 3:39:08.920 --> 3:39:11.760 was satisfying to see people moving to ship they didn't 3:39:11.800 --> 3:39:15.800 even know, right, but in that time we were piste 3:39:15.840 --> 3:39:19.560 off so or I was definitely so seeing the people 3:39:19.640 --> 3:39:22.480 embraced that ship and that be one of the favorite 3:39:22.560 --> 3:39:25.600 albums when I was so piste off writing and that 3:39:25.760 --> 3:39:30.240 fucking time, Um, that was. That was satisfying because people 3:39:30.280 --> 3:39:32.119 connected to that album. You know a lot of people 3:39:32.160 --> 3:39:33.720 when they come up to us, they said that's their 3:39:33.760 --> 3:39:37.000 favorite album. Temples a Boom that was. That was that 3:39:37.240 --> 3:39:40.800 my height of funk everything, you know, but not out 3:39:40.840 --> 3:39:44.920 of cockiness, out of like, you know, tired of what 3:39:45.200 --> 3:39:48.960 what the game actually was? You guys been on plenty 3:39:48.959 --> 3:39:51.600 of labels. What what was your favorite label you guys 3:39:51.680 --> 3:39:55.920 ever worked with. Let's start with you Marks. I think 3:39:55.959 --> 3:39:59.280 we were Cypists on one label pretty much the whole 3:39:59.360 --> 3:40:01.720 first first run. I think we put the last record 3:40:01.760 --> 3:40:05.640 at like a second label. But for the first fifteen years, 3:40:05.680 --> 3:40:08.360 I think it was just Columbia. Yeah, it was Columbia 3:40:08.520 --> 3:40:12.840 for six teams. Columbia. Well, it was rough House Columbia 3:40:12.959 --> 3:40:17.880 for the first four albums, and then I think when 3:40:18.840 --> 3:40:22.880 rough House dissolved, we were just on Sony Columbia for 3:40:23.000 --> 3:40:25.440 that time. Then we finished our contract which a lot 3:40:25.480 --> 3:40:29.880 of Tommy and Tommy and Donnie both of them, and 3:40:30.040 --> 3:40:32.520 we we finished out our contract there, which a lot 3:40:32.560 --> 3:40:35.959 of motherfucker's don't do and we we uh, we did 3:40:36.360 --> 3:40:38.720 one album on E M I, which was Rise Up. 3:40:39.080 --> 3:40:41.760 Snoop wanted to sign that, so we you know, signed 3:40:41.760 --> 3:40:44.840 it with him, right, and so we did that and 3:40:44.959 --> 3:40:47.000 so in the next one was more like on an 3:40:47.080 --> 3:40:52.000 independent label, which was Elephants on Nason. So three labels 3:40:52.720 --> 3:40:55.680 pretty much but most of our career on Sony rough House, 3:40:57.800 --> 3:41:03.800 Oh yeah, I would, okay, you know, because realistically they 3:41:03.879 --> 3:41:07.320 could have tried to mold us into what they thought 3:41:07.480 --> 3:41:09.600 we should be, but they allowed us to be us, 3:41:10.480 --> 3:41:12.640 you know what I mean. Sure, you know, they tried 3:41:12.680 --> 3:41:15.119 to make suggestions here and there, and you know, Mugs 3:41:15.160 --> 3:41:18.000 would be like, yeah, that's cool for you, We're gonna 3:41:18.080 --> 3:41:21.040 do this, and you know, he stood his ground on 3:41:21.240 --> 3:41:23.480 the creativity of it, and they allowed it. You know, 3:41:23.520 --> 3:41:28.880 they didn't try to you know that, Yeah, they were 3:41:28.920 --> 3:41:33.920 because they had a lot of dope groups House. Chris 3:41:34.040 --> 3:41:36.520 and Joe were big advocates for us, you know when 3:41:36.560 --> 3:41:39.640 it came to dealing with Sony, and you know, Joe 3:41:39.840 --> 3:41:42.200 was like he got it, man. I mean Joe and Chris, 3:41:42.320 --> 3:41:46.039 they both got it. And salute to them because realistically, 3:41:46.200 --> 3:41:49.080 you know, we we shopped the album around for a 3:41:49.160 --> 3:41:51.720 minute and we were getting turned down by labels on 3:41:51.800 --> 3:41:55.000 the West Coast. Uh and we and we uh. We 3:41:55.120 --> 3:41:58.520 were talking to funking client Rest and Rest in Peace, 3:41:58.879 --> 3:42:00.840 who was at the time with a Wood Basic and 3:42:00.959 --> 3:42:04.080 they were interested, but they kept asking for demo after demo. 3:42:04.160 --> 3:42:08.280 I think we gave him like six seven DeMoss like, yeah, 3:42:08.560 --> 3:42:11.199 that didn't make the album, but you know they kept 3:42:11.240 --> 3:42:14.920 asking for more Ship and rough House or Chris and 3:42:15.040 --> 3:42:17.520 Joe were like, we're ready now, We'll fucking take it 3:42:17.640 --> 3:42:21.320 as it is and sendalg called that shot and said, 3:42:21.360 --> 3:42:23.440 you know what we're going with Joe and Chris and 3:42:24.879 --> 3:42:28.040 they were they were basically crazy. Yeah, And I really 3:42:28.120 --> 3:42:32.440 liked their their whole approach to to our group because 3:42:32.520 --> 3:42:35.160 there was like, just do whatever you want to say, 3:42:35.200 --> 3:42:39.120 whatever you want. I felt like we had someone that 3:42:39.280 --> 3:42:42.200 was willing to like have our back no matter what 3:42:42.640 --> 3:42:45.040 he said on the mic or anything like that. So 3:42:47.200 --> 3:42:50.320 I really those those first couple of years, it was 3:42:50.440 --> 3:42:53.760 just Cyprus and rough House. We're you know, special time 3:42:53.840 --> 3:42:58.480 for me myself personally. Um, is there any plans like 3:42:58.600 --> 3:43:02.360 starting Cyper Sales record company and you guys trying to go, 3:43:02.640 --> 3:43:06.720 like find another Cyper Sales. It's always possible. I mean, 3:43:06.800 --> 3:43:09.800 Mugs is constantly on on the works, you know what 3:43:09.840 --> 3:43:14.560 I mean, through through Soul Assassins, so you know, there's 3:43:14.600 --> 3:43:17.200 always Diamonds and the rough out there, man, you know 3:43:17.240 --> 3:43:19.440 what I mean. We were that once upon a time, 3:43:20.480 --> 3:43:23.320 and uh, you know, if you follow the direction of 3:43:23.400 --> 3:43:27.960 the producer right, because some of us as rappers have 3:43:28.720 --> 3:43:32.160 like egos and be like, whould like I'll just do 3:43:32.720 --> 3:43:37.320 let me do me. But if you follow the direction right, 3:43:39.040 --> 3:43:41.760 you might come up with something significant. I always followed 3:43:41.800 --> 3:43:44.760 the direction of Mugs and and and I learned through 3:43:44.840 --> 3:43:48.160 Mugs to follow directions of other producers. Now if they're 3:43:48.240 --> 3:43:52.360 letting me paint the picture and going on at my pace, 3:43:52.520 --> 3:43:54.920 then sure I know how to take that ship over 3:43:54.959 --> 3:43:58.000 because again I learned from this man right here. You 3:43:58.040 --> 3:44:02.600 know what I'm saying. And uh, you know, so it's 3:44:02.680 --> 3:44:06.720 important you put your ego aside, you know, because a 3:44:06.800 --> 3:44:09.120 lot of us will love our own ship like that, 3:44:10.320 --> 3:44:12.640 but we learned not to do that early, you know 3:44:12.680 --> 3:44:15.800 what I mean. Like, if Mugs gave us this beat 3:44:17.080 --> 3:44:20.120 and we took that fucking beat home with us and 3:44:20.360 --> 3:44:24.320 fucking listened to it a thousand times, send dogging myself 3:44:24.480 --> 3:44:26.120 might fall in love with that ship. And then when 3:44:26.240 --> 3:44:29.120 Mugs changes something, we might be like, oh man, why 3:44:29.200 --> 3:44:33.920 did you change that? And then it creates a fucking dynamic. 3:44:34.080 --> 3:44:37.360 That's there's tension, and then chemistry is broken there, you 3:44:37.400 --> 3:44:39.560 know what I'm saying. But if we give trust into 3:44:39.680 --> 3:44:43.280 Mugs saying, like his name's on it, he's got the 3:44:43.400 --> 3:44:48.320 same the same want of it being fire as we do. 3:44:48.520 --> 3:44:50.800 He's not gonna put his name on something that's whacked 3:44:51.440 --> 3:44:56.920 or ship. So let's follow the direction and and like 3:44:57.959 --> 3:45:00.400 create something special, you know. So I learn to do 3:45:00.640 --> 3:45:03.160 that with mugs, and I did it with other producers 3:45:03.240 --> 3:45:06.520 if they had direction. If they didn't, I painted the campus, 3:45:06.640 --> 3:45:09.240 you know what I'm saying. And I think an artist 3:45:09.440 --> 3:45:12.840 if there, if they're being one thousand with themselves, follow 3:45:12.920 --> 3:45:17.880 the producer when producer gives you a direction, you know, 3:45:18.040 --> 3:45:20.160 Like that made it easy for me to be creative. 3:45:20.200 --> 3:45:23.640 When he had an idea for something. I hear this, Okay, 3:45:24.560 --> 3:45:34.200 let me paint that I think was great. So let 3:45:34.240 --> 3:45:39.040 me ask y'all Mount westmore right, I believe it's ice 3:45:39.120 --> 3:45:45.160 que sloop too short? Right? They say they're doing an album, 3:45:45.200 --> 3:45:46.920 but then now they're saying that they're doing a tour. 3:45:47.920 --> 3:45:50.400 Is there talks about including you guys in this took? 3:45:50.680 --> 3:45:52.800 Not that I've heard of, because that's what I heard. 3:45:52.800 --> 3:45:55.240 I heard that that that would be cool as funk. 3:45:55.320 --> 3:45:57.520 I could tell you, you know, if we went on 3:46:00.280 --> 3:46:05.280 at a y'all exhibit, what got the Plug. You got 3:46:05.400 --> 3:46:21.680 the Plugs exclusive drinks right now. Ah, you interested not 3:46:21.760 --> 3:46:27.160 a good airhord because just think about that Mount Westmore 3:46:27.200 --> 3:46:32.280 because those guys can do their four set. Then you know, 3:46:33.160 --> 3:46:35.520 I'd be amazing that all the West coast like that. 3:46:36.240 --> 3:46:38.480 I think that would be just crazy. Yeah. I don't 3:46:38.480 --> 3:46:42.120 know if it's true or not neither what I would 3:46:42.200 --> 3:46:44.160 I would say that that would that would be a 3:46:44.240 --> 3:46:47.360 fucking enormous show. That would makes sense because you got 3:46:47.520 --> 3:46:50.920 Titans as that group right there, the Mount Westmore. I mean, 3:46:51.120 --> 3:46:54.560 everybody is everybody, and you know we funk with all 3:46:54.600 --> 3:46:56.440 of them. You know, those are our brothers right there 3:46:56.480 --> 3:46:58.680 and Ship so you know, if we were called upon 3:46:58.840 --> 3:47:02.240 to play support for our bros, yeah, of course we 3:47:02.320 --> 3:47:05.640 would do that. If that rumor is true, hey celebrated 3:47:05.640 --> 3:47:10.360 because let's make that. Lets everyone we don't love about that? 3:47:10.680 --> 3:47:13.760 Love I love about you guys. Is I love O 3:47:13.959 --> 3:47:16.680 g s being o gs Like I don't like when 3:47:16.760 --> 3:47:20.759 you know, people, you know, trying to copy the new sound, 3:47:21.280 --> 3:47:24.560 the new style. I like us being, you know, acting 3:47:24.640 --> 3:47:26.240 our own age, like you know what I'm saying. That's 3:47:26.240 --> 3:47:28.440 why I love this. I love this and that we 3:47:28.480 --> 3:47:30.800 could be cool at the ages we had like I don't. 3:47:30.840 --> 3:47:33.640 I don't gotta be you know, I don't gotta be too. 3:47:34.000 --> 3:47:39.840 I gotta be doing that. That's the floor, Like I 3:47:39.959 --> 3:47:46.920 can't do that. I can't. I'm glad, you know we 3:47:47.080 --> 3:47:50.920 have our own platforms big up to rock the bells. Also, 3:47:51.840 --> 3:47:54.480 we could be ourselves. We don't have to, you know, 3:47:54.560 --> 3:47:58.920 try to get to this saying. I feel like we 3:47:59.000 --> 3:48:02.440 started it from drink chance, but you know part of it, um, 3:48:02.520 --> 3:48:04.800 And I just want to salute you all one more time. Man, 3:48:05.160 --> 3:48:07.920 you guys are living legends in a lot of ways. 3:48:08.080 --> 3:48:10.080 You know, you paid your way for both of us. 3:48:10.400 --> 3:48:12.080 You know what I'm saying, us getting to see like 3:48:12.200 --> 3:48:15.160 you know, because because it was crazy, you know, me 3:48:15.360 --> 3:48:17.200 being born and raised in New York City, I only 3:48:17.240 --> 3:48:19.440 thought it was Puerto Ricans. I didn't know it was 3:48:19.600 --> 3:48:26.560 like I was in Americans. I was like, what Mexicans. 3:48:26.600 --> 3:48:29.160 And then to see people on on on TV on 3:48:29.600 --> 3:48:31.920 my video music box, and to see it and and 3:48:32.280 --> 3:48:34.320 then and you know, you got split in the you 3:48:34.440 --> 3:48:37.800 got to speaking about Latin lingo, but um, you gots 3:48:38.040 --> 3:48:40.160 you know, saying the Spanish and I'm sitting there and 3:48:40.200 --> 3:48:44.000 I'm like, holy shit, this is it was Latinos everywhere 3:48:44.280 --> 3:48:46.080 and I had not known that that. That was crazy. 3:48:46.160 --> 3:48:50.920 Y'all was like my geographical map back then. Why I 3:48:50.959 --> 3:48:52.560 didn'tn't know how to be the map. But what I'm saying, 3:48:52.560 --> 3:48:54.760 I was like, Wow, these people could be from over 3:48:54.879 --> 3:49:06.840 there too, and we're not just a funny look like yeah, 3:49:07.680 --> 3:49:11.160 I was just like I just got it was my block. 3:49:11.280 --> 3:49:13.960 Like they literally called me poppy because I was the 3:49:14.120 --> 3:49:17.560 only Latino that I was. You know, it's racist, by 3:49:17.560 --> 3:49:24.320 the way, just like and then I realized, and then 3:49:24.360 --> 3:49:26.520 I would't want to say that to y'all. You know, um, 3:49:27.120 --> 3:49:29.360 and I think we yester on one more shot. But 3:49:30.880 --> 3:49:32.240 I want to say to y'all, man, that was a 3:49:32.280 --> 3:49:38.560 big inspiration. Um, that was big motivation. It was so man, 3:49:39.040 --> 3:49:41.480 it's so dope. And like I said, it wasn't it's 3:49:41.480 --> 3:49:44.160 not only that, you know, for for for me to 3:49:44.200 --> 3:49:46.040 look up to you guys, for me to meet you guys, 3:49:46.480 --> 3:49:48.040 and you guys to be the same exactly where you 3:49:48.120 --> 3:49:50.320 guys be real as fun, you guys be you know 3:49:50.360 --> 3:49:54.720 what I'm saying, like like just always being uh the 3:49:54.800 --> 3:49:57.120 figure that I've seen because I used to meet people 3:49:57.560 --> 3:49:58.960 used to look up to and then I meet him, 3:49:58.960 --> 3:50:02.280 I'm like, I funk, it's as a prick. And you 3:50:02.360 --> 3:50:04.960 guys are really that you guys are really and you 3:50:05.040 --> 3:50:07.320 guys held it down together thirty years. Man. You know 3:50:07.360 --> 3:50:09.680 what I'm saying. That's something to really be proud of. 3:50:09.800 --> 3:50:11.800 That's something that really and we want to salute you. 3:50:11.840 --> 3:50:13.680 We want to give your flowers please, and you got 3:50:13.720 --> 3:50:16.640 your shirt. We gotta sch got your shirts too. Yeah, 3:50:16.920 --> 3:50:20.840 every one of you got shirts. But listen, I want 3:50:20.880 --> 3:50:22.960 to tell y'all, man, thank you all for what y'all did. 3:50:23.280 --> 3:50:25.520 Thank you all for what your sacrifice, thank you all 3:50:25.560 --> 3:50:27.840 for leaving the way, thank you all for being leaders, 3:50:28.160 --> 3:50:31.000 thank you all for motherfucking being who the fuck y'all are. 3:50:31.360 --> 3:50:33.320 And you know, one time for your mind, to time 3:50:33.360 --> 3:50:39.880 for your soul like but man, you know, motherfucker like 3:50:46.640 --> 3:50:54.160 pictures some problem. 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