1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:04,559 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class from hostworks 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: dot com. Hello and welcome to the podcast Tray C. V. 3 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: Wilson and I'm Holly Fry. Shipwrecks long time favorite thing 4 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: on our show from way before Holly and I joined, 5 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 1: and today we're taking a slightly different approach to the 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: perennial favorite of shipwrecks. We're going to talk about a 7 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: shipwreck survivor. Her name is Violet Jessup. She survived a 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: whole lot, and I don't want to spoil it, so 9 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: that is all I'm saying for the intro. Violent Constance 10 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: Jessup was born on October two of eight seven, near 11 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: Bahia Blanca, Argentina. Her parents, William Jessup and Catherine Kelly, 12 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: had emigrated there from Dublin in the mid eighties with 13 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: the goal of starting a sheep farm. Her life at 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: first was extremely modest. Her father didn't really have enough 15 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: money for a whole herd of sheep, so they were 16 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: living in what was basically a one room structure of 17 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 1: adobe bricks. Violet's crib was made out of a gin box. 18 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: After a while, when it became clear that he wouldn't 19 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: be able to buy enough sheep to make the farm 20 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: self sustaining. Violen's father instead took a series of other jobs, 21 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: first working as a customs officer and then working for 22 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: a railroad line. This did put the family on more 23 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: solid financial footing, but in spite of that, Violet and 24 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: the rest of her siblings who were born afterwards she 25 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: was the oldest, they had a number of medical catastrophes, 26 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: and really, regardless of what their income had been like, 27 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: these catastrophes would have basically been unavoidable at the time. 28 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: Violet and her younger brother Ray, at the time when 29 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: it was just the two of them, both got scarlet 30 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: fever and Ray actually died of it. Violet later got 31 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: tuberculosis and then also got typhoid fever. Two of her 32 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: brothers nearly died of diphtheria. She had four brothers and 33 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: one sister who survived to adulthood, but she had other 34 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: brothers in a sister who died while they were still children. 35 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: Violets tuberculosis caused her lungs to hemorrhage, and so even 36 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: after she was old enough to go to school, a 37 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: doctor actually recommended that she stay home. Later, when Violet 38 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: was in the hospital and seemed as though she might 39 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: not recover. It was recommended that she go to the 40 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: mountains where the air might give her a few more months. 41 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: They really did think she was going to die. Her 42 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,399 Speaker 1: lungs had been seriously hemorrhaging for a long time. So 43 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: after having lived in Bahia Blanca and Buenos Aires, Violet's 44 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: father got a transfer to Mendoza, Argentina, which is in 45 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: the foothills of the Andies Mountains, and Violet's health did 46 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,399 Speaker 1: get stronger. In Mendoza, she seemed to have an aggressively 47 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: stubborn will to live, and after a while she was 48 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: doing well enough to explore their sprawling adobe house with 49 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: her pet armadillo. I find that wildly charming. Eventually she 50 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: was well enough to go to school, which she did 51 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: gleefully until her father's death when she was in her 52 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: early teens. She really wanted to think so badly. She 53 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: wanted to be want to go to school, and she 54 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: wanted to have a sister, but instead she had a 55 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: series of brothers, then a sister who tragically died of 56 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 1: meningitis when she was a baby, then a sister who 57 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: lived to adulthood. So when Violet's father died, her mother 58 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: decided to take the family to England, even though people 59 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: worried that Violet's lungs would not be able to handle 60 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: the English air. This was such a big concern that 61 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: one of her Argentinian teachers actually offered to adopt her. 62 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: At this point, Violet was about sixteen years old. They 63 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: had a difficult time, however. Violet's mother had actually been 64 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: pregnant when her father died, and the baby died shortly 65 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: after it was born. In spite of the help of 66 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: Violet's aunt and uncle, they were her mother's sister and 67 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: her husband, the family had real trouble finding a place 68 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: to live. There were six children and a mother with 69 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: no source of income beyond a very small widows pension, 70 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: and eventually it was decided to put the boys in 71 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: a Catholic orphanage so that they could be educated and 72 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: raised within their religious faith. Placing the boys in an 73 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: orphanage actually allowed their mother to go find work, and 74 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: she got work as a stewardess in the Royal Mail Line, 75 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: where she worked for five years. This gave her an income, 76 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: although because the Royal Mail Line was providing long distance 77 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: passenger service across the ocean. It meant that she had 78 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: long absences and separations from the rest of the family. 79 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 1: While her mother was away, it was up to Violet 80 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: to look after her surviving little sister, Eileen, although this 81 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: was interrupted by yet another hospitalization for gallstones. Eventually, the 82 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: two sisters boarded in a convent where they could stay 83 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: together and be educated. Violet continued to live on at 84 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: the convent after finding work as a governess. Violet's own 85 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: health and the various illnesses of her siblings, the death 86 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: of her baby sister Molly from a ningitis. All these 87 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: things combined together to lead her to want to study nursing, 88 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: and while she was living in the convent, she set 89 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: her sights on taking an exam that would allow her 90 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: to further in her education and pursue a career. But then, 91 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: after her mother had spent five years working as a stewardess, 92 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: her health became too fragile to continue, and so violent, 93 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: recognizing that her family needed a source of more income 94 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: than she could possibly provide by being a governess, applied 95 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: to be a stewardess herself like her mother, and she 96 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: did so at the Royal mail Line. We're going to 97 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: talk about what happened once she became a stewardess on 98 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: board these ocean liners after a brief word from one 99 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: of the sponsors who keeps our show on the air. 100 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: When Violent Jessip first applied to be a stewardess, the 101 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: man who interviewed her was not optimistic about her chances. 102 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: He told her she was both too young and too pretty. 103 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: She promised him that she would be as dedicated, careful 104 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: and unassuming as possible if he would just give her 105 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: the job, and finally he told her the next opening 106 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,679 Speaker 1: was in fact hers, Although it might take some time 107 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: for a vacancy to open, Jessup and her mother got 108 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: to work assembling a wardrobe that would be as boring 109 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: and unattractive as possible. Cracks me up that she had 110 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: to take those steps. Her memoirs talk about her just 111 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: trying to find the most dowdy, gray, unappealing outfits possible. 112 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: Jessup's first post was aboard the Orinoco, which traveled to 113 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: the West Indies better known today as the Caribbean. This 114 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: was really physically demanding work. Ocean liners of this era 115 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: were a lot more about utility than about vacationing, so 116 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,799 Speaker 1: today somebody might get on a similar ship to basically 117 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: tool around the Caribbean on a pleasure cruise, but most 118 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: people on ocean liner needed to get from one place 119 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: to another, typically across an ocean. Uh. It was not 120 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: about taking time off and relaxing. It was about enduring 121 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: a long voyage to get to where you needed to go, 122 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: and not a lot of ports of call with um 123 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: exciting activities to partake it with transatlantic travel. And then 124 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: also we don't really talk about it as as much 125 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: in this episode, but the people who were in actual 126 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: cabins who she Violet would have been working with as 127 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: a stewardess, they were in the minority. There were a 128 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: lot of people in steerage and very unpleasant accommodations. However, 129 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: in spite of these differences between how we look at 130 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: cruising now versus how these liners were functioning then, the 131 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: role of stewardess was very like that of a cabin 132 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: steward today. Violet would have cleaned cabins, run errands for passengers, 133 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: delivered meals, generally, kept things neat and tidy, and looked 134 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: after sea sick passengers. Sometimes it's involved being up all 135 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: night with people who were ill, Violet Jessup found that 136 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: getting her sea legs was basically a matter of sheer willpower, 137 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: but even once she was accustomed to the motion of 138 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: the sea, the work itself was exhausting. She also didn't 139 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: get a lot of formal training on the Royal Mail 140 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: Line aside from what she picked up herself on the job. 141 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: On her very first voyage, she hurt her thumb, which 142 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: got infected just as a very severe storm put everybody 143 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: crew included in their births with with sea sickness, and 144 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: unfortunately the people who were stricken ill at this point 145 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: included the doctor, so she wasn't able to be treated 146 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: for this infected thumb for a while. As she describes 147 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: them in her memoirs, Violet's first years as a stewardess 148 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: were quite difficult. In addition to being on her feet 149 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: doing physical labor on a moving ship all day long, 150 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: she was also basically confined confined there with both the 151 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: passengers and the rest of the crew from time to time. 152 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: This led to trouble. On the milder end, there were cliques, 153 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: in fighting and frustrations among the crew to deal with. 154 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: She also had to fend off the romantic and physical 155 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: advances of both passengers and superiors, and in one case, 156 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: she had a lengthy stay aboard a ship with a 157 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: bow after he revealed that he had no respect for 158 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: her religious beliefs, knowing that she was going to break 159 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: up with him for it once they got to shore. 160 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: She describes her favorite times and all of these early 161 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: journeys as being and they were in port, especially because 162 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: at this point, you know today you can do laundry 163 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: on a ship, but this was not the case at 164 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: the time, so stays in port were lengthier before the 165 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: ship departed again. This meant that she got to explore, 166 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: she got to see new things, and basically travel a 167 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 1: little bit during the time that they were not at sea. 168 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: So while these long stretches at sea were exhausting and 169 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: she was very often sick, not just seasick, but she 170 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: still continued to have trouble with her health, she also 171 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: delighted in exploring the ports and the cities where they 172 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: stopped as her career progressed. This included trips to New 173 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: York City, which she loved, and she also got to 174 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: go back to Buenos Aires and say hello to the 175 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: hospital staff who had been sure so sure that she 176 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 1: was going to die of tuberculosis when she was a child. Eventually, 177 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: Jesseph was serving aboard a ship with a married captain 178 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: who had previously made advances toward her, which she had rebuffed. 179 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: The second time around, he he found halt with everything 180 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: that she did and eventually had her dismissed for flirting 181 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: with the officers, something she had not done. But she 182 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: also had no way to disprove this assertion and no 183 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: way to pursue any sort of recourse. So out of work, 184 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: she went to find another stewardess job, and she found 185 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: one at the White Star Line. She did not really 186 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: want to work for the White Star Line. Its ships 187 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: sailed the North Atlantic, and she had heard plenty of 188 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: horror stories about that being a particularly rough crossing with 189 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: bad weather and threats to ships uh from the bad 190 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: weather and from icebergs, And she hadn't heard anything bad 191 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: at all about the company itself. She just knew that 192 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: the hours were long, and because of the White Star 193 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: lines reputation, exceptional service was both expected and demanded. So 194 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: it was this combination of exhausting work, extremely high standards 195 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: for the quality of the work, and the treacherous treacherousness 196 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: of the seas. However, because she had been dismissed from 197 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: her previous post, she wound up applying for companies that 198 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: were not at the top of her list, and she 199 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: wound up being hired by the White Star Line. She 200 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: served aboard the Majestic, the Adriatic, and the Oceanic on 201 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: roots that went to New York. Violet Jessup really proved 202 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: her worth to the White Star Line. She was hard working, 203 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: she was dependable, gracious, kind. She was beloved by her passengers, 204 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: many of who went on to mention her and her warm, 205 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: steadfast attention to them through illness and rough season o 206 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: their trials, specifically in letters to family and friends. So 207 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: she was chosen to serve on the Olympic aboard its 208 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: maiden voyage as part of a hand pick best of 209 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 1: class crew. This was a job that started well before 210 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: the departure, as the crew readied the ship to sail. 211 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: The Olympic was launched on October after nearly two years 212 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: of construction, and at the time it was considered to 213 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: be the best and most luxurious ship in the Atlantic. 214 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: It's maiden voyage took place the following June, after Its 215 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: construction was completed in sept Timber of that year. As 216 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: the Olympic was outbound from Southampton, it collided with the 217 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: HMS Hawk near the Isle of Wight. Violet was aboard. 218 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: We could logically conclude that she was uninjured, as she 219 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: does not mention this in her memoirs at all. Yes, 220 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: does not seem to have been a big deal enough 221 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: to even talk about as she was writing her memoir. However, 222 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: the damage to the Olympic was extensive and took about 223 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: two months to repair, but once it was seaworthy again, 224 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: Jessip was back on board again part of the stewardess crew. 225 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: After a year on the Olympic, Jessip was once again 226 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: hand selected for a maiden voyage crew in nineteen twelve. 227 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: It was aboard the White Star lines next best in 228 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: class ship, the Titanic. Jessip was in her bunk sleepily 229 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: trying to concentrate on her devotions on April fourteenth, nineteen twelve, 230 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: when the Titanic famously struck an iceberg. After the crash, 231 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: there was a temporary silence and then her roommate stoically said, 232 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: sounds as a something has happened. They both dressed, and 233 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: Jessip expressed her disbelief when a steward named Stanley told 234 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: them the ship was sinking. From there, they began escorting 235 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: passengers to the boats. Her recounting of this part of 236 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: it sounds almost impossibly calm. Jessip and her roommate took 237 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: their passengers to the lifeboats, and then, with nothing else 238 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: to do, they went back to their cabin, and it 239 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: was there that Stanley found them again, told them that 240 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: the boat really was thinking this was no longer a 241 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: matter of just precautions, and insisted that they go up 242 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: to the decks as well. He even rummaged through Jessep's 243 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: closet to try to find some warmer clothing for her 244 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: to wear. As Jessep made her way to the deck, 245 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: the full seriousness of this situation had really not reached 246 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: people yet. Everything was being described as precautionary and boats 247 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 1: were being lowered without many people aboard. But while on deck, 248 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: the ship started to noticeably shift, and before long someone 249 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: handed Jessip a baby, and she and her roommate and 250 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: were put into lifeboat six. From her position in the lifeboat, 251 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: Jessip saw the Titanic go down, and she and the 252 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: rest of the people in her boat were rescued by 253 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: the Carpathia. The following day, a woman who was presumably 254 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: the baby's mother snatched the baby literally out of her arms. 255 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: After finding her, Jessip eventually learned returned to England aboard 256 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: the Lapland, and she had a very strange experience much 257 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: later in her life where someone called her on the 258 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: phone claims to be the baby, laughed and hung up, 259 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: And it's very unclear whether that was really the baby 260 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: the Titanic or not yet that that'll weird you right out. 261 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: Can you imagine getting a call like that? 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However, obviously, jobs at the 301 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: White Star Line were very hard to come by because 302 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: it's flagship vessel had just sank, and after she got 303 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: a letter from Ned that's the old Bow that we 304 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: alluded to earlier, Jesseph took a job aboard another line 305 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: as a way to secure passage to Australia, where Ned 306 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: was living. Her roommates graciously agreed to cover for her 307 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: while the ship was imports so that she could go 308 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: spend time with Ned, and she had hoped that the 309 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: two of them could clear the air, but nothing actually 310 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: came of this. She returned to her post and she 311 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 1: went back home as planned. The the editor who edited 312 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: her memoirs kind of sort of meditates for a while 313 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: on how her life might have been different if she 314 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: had wound up marrying ned rather than briefly marrying some 315 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: other person later on, who's apparently was not a very 316 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,479 Speaker 1: good marriage, and she hardly refers to in her memoir 317 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: at all. In nineteen fourteen, after Great Britain declared war 318 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: on Germany, Jessa decided to join the British Red Cross. 319 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: She became part of the Voluntary Aid detachment, where she 320 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: started as a junior nurse, finally taking on the nursing 321 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: profession she had so wanted to pursue when she was 322 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: a child. She trained at a hospital before once again 323 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: being assigned to a ship, and this time it was 324 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: another White Star vessel, the Britannic. The Britannics construction had 325 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: started about six months before the sinking of the Titanic. 326 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: It had been conceived as even bigger and more luxurious 327 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: than that ill fated vessel. Uh since the Titanic sank 328 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: so early the construction of the Britannic, a number of 329 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: safety improvements were included as this new ship was being built, 330 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: including additional lifeboats and watertight compartments. The Britannic was actually 331 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: scheduled to begin passenger service in nineteen fifteen, but instead 332 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: it was requisitioned for military use, and the Olympic, which 333 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: we talked about Jessip previously serving on, was requisitioned as well. 334 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: The Britannic became a hospital ship and it served from 335 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: December nineteen fifteen through June of nineteen sixteen, when it 336 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: was briefly released from the war service, before being requisitioned 337 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: again that August. On November twenty one, nineteen sixteen, the 338 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: Britannic sank after presumably striking a mine in the water, 339 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: not far from Greece. At the time, people thought that 340 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: it could have actually been struck by a torpedo, and 341 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: once again Violet Jessup was calm. She went to her 342 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: cabin and she gathered up her prayer book, her toothbrush, 343 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: a ring that had belonged to ned, and her clock. 344 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: She made a pouch to the front of her apron 345 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: by folding it up to keep all of these little 346 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: items secure, and then she clipped her life belt on 347 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: over her coat and she got onto a lifeboat. So 348 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: JIP's recounting of the Titanic is quietly tragic. She counts 349 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: the lights on the deck is the ship sinks, realizing 350 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: that it's all lost, but her account of the Britannic 351 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: sinking is horrifying, and in a way this is a 352 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: little incongruous, because more than people died on the Titanic, 353 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: but only about twenty eight died in the seeking of 354 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: the Britannic. The difference is that those last moments, as 355 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: as Violet witnessed them, were terrifying and brutal. The Britannics 356 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: propellers were still turning in the water, and this just 357 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: created chaos. It was churning up the water, it was 358 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: sucking men and debris toward the propellers, and even though 359 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: she was in a lifeboat, Jessup realized that if she 360 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: did not get out and swim, her lifeboat was going 361 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: to hit the propellers as well. She had always instructed 362 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: passengers not to put their life belts on over their 363 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 1: coats in case they needed to take their coats off, 364 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: and we just mentioned that she did the opposite of 365 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: what she told them, and that was nearly fatal. In 366 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: spite of her life belt, the weight of her coat 367 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: pulled her underwater. She fought her way up, and she 368 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: struck something with her head from below, until finally she 369 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: caught someone else's arm and she was pulled above the water. 370 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: One of the ship's motor boats picked her up, and 371 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,719 Speaker 1: she and others wound up on a tiny island with 372 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: the Britannics doctors patching one another up, and though she 373 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: was injured, she was safe thanks to the rescue efforts 374 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: of other nearby boats. Only twenty eight people, as Racy said, 375 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: we're killed out of the more than one thousand people 376 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: that were on board. So previously she had immediately gotten 377 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: to work as a stewardess again after the thinking of 378 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: that Titanic, but this time she knew that it was 379 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: going to be hard to find a stewardess job until 380 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: the war was over, so this time she stayed ashore 381 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: for about three years. She found a job on land 382 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 1: as a clerk, but she had some trouble concentrating. She 383 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: didn't really think much of it until a lot later 384 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: when she got an X ray for a tooth that 385 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: was bothering her, and she learned that her skull had 386 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: been fractured as she was trying to get away from 387 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: the Britannic. So we don't know exactly at what point 388 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: in her life uh she discovered this skull fracture, but 389 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: we do know that she didn't stay on land forever. 390 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: As for the Olympic, which we've talked about a couple 391 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: of times, uh, it was upgraded again after the war 392 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: and it resumed service, and once the war was over, 393 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: Violet Jessup once again served aboard it, and the Olympic 394 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: continued its transatlantic service until ninety five. That was a 395 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: little less than a year after it struck and sank 396 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: a lightship off of Cape Cod, Massachusetts, and Jessup actually 397 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: was not aboard for that one. That would have been few. 398 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: It's it's not totally surprising that she was aboard both 399 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: the Olympic and that's Titanic because the Titanics crew was 400 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: hand picked from other vessels. But having been aboard the Olympic, 401 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: the Titanic and the Britannic when all three of those, 402 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: like best of line vessels, had incidents, that's a loddly 403 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: coincidel that she was on there for all of them. 404 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: So file that Jessup spent the part of her later 405 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: stewartist career working with the Red Star Line on world cruises, 406 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: and she worked aboard five different annual world cruises that 407 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: spanned between nine and nineteen thirty one. She went back 408 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: to the Royal Mail Line again in nineteen thirty five 409 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: and served on the Alcantara until the start of World 410 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: War Two. During the Second World War, she worked ashore 411 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: as a nurse again, rather than being on another seafaring 412 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: nursing ship. At the end of World War Two, Violet 413 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: mostly worked at clerical and factory jobs, realizing that her 414 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: work as a stewardess was not going to allow her 415 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: to retire, and apart from a couple of brief stints 416 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: at sea, she was land on until her death on 417 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: May fifth of ninetee. She finished the memoir that we've 418 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: referenced a few times in nineteen thirty four, which is 419 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why it doesn't include a lot 420 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: of her later life, but it wasn't published until two 421 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: of her nieces submitted a manuscript uh in the spring 422 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: of nine, and then, kind of ironically, the man who 423 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: wound up editing it was someone who had previously interviewed 424 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: her as he was doing some work on survivors of 425 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: the Titanic. So it all comes together in this sort 426 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: of small world situation. It's very cool, slightly scary if 427 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: you're afraid of ships and sinking I've been on ships 428 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: a lot and they don't really frighten me. But when 429 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: I got to the part about the Titanic thinking, I 430 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 1: was like, what, Okay, every time I've been on a 431 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: ship there's been a mustard drill. There's enough, There are 432 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: enough lifeboats for every person on board. The crew has 433 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: been exceptionally prompt about escorting everyone to the deck during 434 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: the semester deal. But I had this thought where I 435 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: was like, what if the ships sank in the middle 436 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: of the ocean and there were no other ships around, 437 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: and we were stuck in the middle of the ocean. 438 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: And then I said, Okay, you need to stop thinking 439 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: about that right now. Think about something else. So that 440 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: is violent. Jessup. Do you also have a little bit 441 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: of listener mail to accompany this episode? I do, uh, 442 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,719 Speaker 1: And this is from Jane and she writes to us 443 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: about something that a few people have written in about, 444 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: so I thought it was something to share with everyone. 445 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: She says, Hello, Holly and Tracy. I've been listening to 446 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: the podcast archives for over a year now and I'm 447 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: just now getting close to catching up. I absolutely love history, 448 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: and listening to the podcast has gotten me through many 449 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: long flights and car trips, as well as my daily 450 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: commute on this subway. Thanks so much for the many 451 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: hours of entertainment that you and everyone else who has 452 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: worked on the show have provided. I'm a little bit behind, 453 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: so I just listened to your podcasts on Plus E 454 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: Versus Ferguson and Brown Versus Board. I really enjoyed these 455 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 1: episodes and just happens to have listened to a podcast 456 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: from This American Life around the same time that discusses 457 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: some of the same issues, episode five sixty two, The 458 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: Problem We All Live With. The episode really showed how 459 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: the legacy of segregation is still affecting education today, and 460 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: there were some moments in it that were particularly heartbreaking 461 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: to listen to. I thought you might be interested in 462 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: listening to this as well as another of This American 463 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: Life episode episode called Three Miles episode five fifty which 464 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: discusses some of the same issues. Listening to your podcast 465 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: about historical segregation and listening to a podcast about its 466 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: modern day effects in the same week was a wake 467 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: up call to how historical events continue to have a 468 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: huge impact on people's lives. Thank you so much for 469 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: all the important work you do, and thank you so 470 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: much for handling issues of race, gender, and sexuality with 471 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: such sensitivity and respect. Jane, Thank you Jane for writing in. 472 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: We had several people who were writing to us about 473 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: the Problem We All Live With, which is actually a 474 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: two part episode from This American Life. Uh. I listened 475 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: to the first part as it was airing on the radio, 476 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: And if you listen to This American Life, you know 477 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: that normally there are brief segments that are kind of 478 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: tied together around the theme. And so we had the 479 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: stereotypical NPR driveway moment where we pulled into the parking 480 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: spot at the grocery store and then waited for the 481 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: end of the segment, and then we realized the end 482 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: of the segment was actually the end of the episode. 483 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: Um uh, so we had to stop and see our 484 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: grocery shopping and not sit in the car for an hour. 485 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: But um, the whole thing is definitely definitely, very well 486 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: worth listening to. We said pretty briefly in our episodes 487 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: about Brown Versus Board, especially the second one about the 488 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: aftermath of Brown Versus Board, that a lot of issues 489 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: related to segregation are still uh in existence today and 490 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: a lot of places are as segregated as they were 491 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: before the Civil Rights movement. This really contextualizes all of 492 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: that with real stories of real kids and real parents 493 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: and real school systems that are affected today. So I strongly, 494 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: strongly encourage listening to them. Uh This American Life also 495 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: has a much broader reach than Holly and I do. 496 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: So it's possible that uh, the the ven diagram of 497 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: people who listen to us but don't listen to This 498 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: American Life might be a little small, but the episodes 499 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: are both so worth listening to that I want to 500 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: call them out, specially if you would like to write 501 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: to us for a history podcast at how Stuff Works 502 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: dot com. 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