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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to cool People did cool stuff. You're

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Speaker 1: a weekly reminder that we can choose to do noble

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Speaker 2: Just earnest enough, in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy. Today's guest it's Garrison. Hi, Garrison.

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Speaker 3: Hello, I'm about to take the sincerity pill.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm sorry you allergic?

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Speaker 3: Uh No, I don't think I'm allergic to any medication.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's that's that's how I phrase it. Whenever

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Speaker 1: I go into the doctor, they're like, you allergic to anything,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't know. I hope not. I

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Speaker 1: hope it's not whatever you're about to give me, right.

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Speaker 1: Garrison Davis is a podcaster.

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Speaker 3: I have. I have made a few podcasts now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Our producer is Sophie, who also makes podcasts like.

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Speaker 2: So fucking many, so fucking many some with Garrison, which

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Speaker 2: is nice.

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Speaker 3: It's true.

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Speaker 1: And you know who else makes podcasts. It's Ian are

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Speaker 1: our audio engineer.

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Speaker 2: Ian and I have made some beautiful podcasts together.

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Speaker 1: This is true, Yeah, including this one you're listening to. Hi, Hi, hyen.

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Speaker 2: Garrison Garretson.

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Speaker 3: Oh hi, Ian, Yes, sorry, I forgot that I'm involved

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Speaker 3: and I'm included in that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you are in everyone's.

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy Garrets here.

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Speaker 1: And our theme music was written for us by Unwoman.

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Speaker 1: So this week the cool people are Garrison. Have you

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Speaker 1: ever heard of.

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Speaker 3: People like the concept?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I have, I have heard of it. I don't think

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Speaker 3: I believe in it, but I have. I am aware

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Speaker 3: of the concept.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, okay, what about the people of Spain?

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Speaker 3: Is this gonna be a is this okay? Is this

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Speaker 3: gonna be like a Spanish Civil War thing?

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Speaker 1: You know? For once, We're actually not talking about the

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Speaker 1: Spanish Civil War?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I just know it's it's come up so much

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Speaker 3: on this on this show.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, now it's what happened after the Spanish

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Speaker 1: Civil War adjacent yeah yeah, the sequels post.

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Speaker 2: Same same, same like universe, different season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, same antagonists and protagonists. Today's protagonists, though, well, this

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Speaker 1: week's protagonists are basically the people of Spain who fought

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Speaker 1: against their fascist dictator Franco after he became their fascist dictator.

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Speaker 1: Usually we talked about them before he became their fascist dictator,

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Speaker 1: but last week and this week we're talking about what

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Speaker 1: heck time after we've talked about this guy Franco a

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Speaker 1: bunch before. I assume you've heard of him at this point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm familiar with mister Franco.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the guy who invaded Spain overthrew a democratic

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Speaker 1: republic and said quote I'm it is a paraphrase quote

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Speaker 1: we're going to explore this week, actively enabled it. Last

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Speaker 1: week we talked about an anarchist bank robber named al

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Speaker 1: Kiko who funded militias, and okay, during that I suggested

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Speaker 1: that Kiko might be a pun. It's short for Francisco

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Speaker 1: if it's spelled a different way Kiko, but his name

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Speaker 1: Kiko means the cute. So he was a bank robber

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Speaker 3: That's pretty funny.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say that's super cute, but.

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Speaker 1: That is, yeah, super cute. I don't don't know cattalan

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Speaker 1: about Franco. This isn't like a like, we're not gonna

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Speaker 2: We need the context, Magpie, That's.

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Speaker 1: What exactly needed, I know. So Franco is often painted

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Speaker 3: He made the fascists wear gay little outfits.

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Speaker 1: Oh they did have the best outfits they did.

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Speaker 3: Which is honestly hard because all of the fascists paid

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Speaker 1: Yeah, although I was I was reading this historian and

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Speaker 3: Of aesthetics that is a big part of fascism. It

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Speaker 1: And Franco he ends up being the sort of like

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Speaker 1: half of this, but he ends up the like national

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Speaker 1: because tradwife is a nice aesthetic and a terrible concept. Okay, anyway,

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Speaker 1: so Franco, we're not talking about his clothing choice for

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Speaker 1: of people. He was a fucking monster. He was not

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Speaker 1: the nice fascist. He was a bad fascist who lived

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Speaker 1: he systematically slaughtered between seven hundred thousand and eight hundred

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Speaker 3: Hitler's gonna be kind of going out of style. I

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Speaker 3: that is that's Franco in a fucking nutshell. So he

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Speaker 1: Photos or the pictures. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Franco was really

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Speaker 1: is accused of being involved in a leftist organization or Freemasonry.

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Speaker 1: You really hated Freemasonry.

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Speaker 3: A lot of the fascists do. It's weird because the

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Speaker 3: Freemasons aren't like sometimes they're kind of fasci I know.

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Speaker 1: It is a politically neutral thing to be a Freemason.

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Speaker 1: There are people on the right and the left who

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Speaker 1: And this is some like national Catholic bullshit. They spent

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Speaker 1: the fuck you know. Yeah, they were marched single file

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Speaker 1: A lot of them were A lot of people were

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Speaker 1: we don't like having a fascist dictatorship. Resistance in these

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Speaker 1: Is this show that I totally didn't really go to college.

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Speaker 1: That is my thesis statement is that the people brought

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Speaker 1: I had this nightmare the other day, or I was

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Speaker 1: Oh scary, yeah, I know. And in the dream I

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Speaker 3: Many such cases.

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Speaker 2: Listen, all the cool people I know that have doctor

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Speaker 2: degrees don't want to be called doctor and like only

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Speaker 2: bring it up when absolutely necessary. It's very funny.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I I woke up without that desire anyway.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're here to talk about is Margaret goes

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Speaker 1: to school. It's possible that this resistance not to Margaret

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Speaker 1: is part of why Franco later had to open up

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Speaker 1: So it was actually very effective. So the fighting really

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Speaker 1: and everyone got really excited. It will not Franco. Franco

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Speaker 1: That's one of the things that really I get really

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Speaker 1: So the Western world wasn't going to help end Spanish fascism.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about let's talk about some assassination attempts.

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Speaker 1: to talk about one that goes really well. But first

439
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about someones that didn't make things worse.

440
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 1: They just didn't succeed because yeah, spoiler or alert, only

441
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: Parkinson's assassinates Franco successfully. So let's talk about the anarchist

442
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: air Force of nineteen forty eight. This is not the

443
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: most successful thing that anarchists have ever done, but it's interesting.

444
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 3: I mean, if you told me there was an anarchist

445
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 3: air force, I wouldn't immediately think, oh, yeah, that's gonna

446
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 3: go well, that's good, that's gonna hey.

447
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: I think my main reason we didn't have an anarchist

448
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 1: air force in the Spanish Civil War is that the

449
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: Soviets were the only people who were providing planes and

450
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: like training pilots. And actually read about some anarchists who

451
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: were like, can I can I just like join the

452
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 1: Communist Party for a minute, just learn how to fly

453
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 1: in Soviet Union and then come back. But oh god,

454
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: that's actually probably how the well, let's just tell the story.

455
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: So there are tens of thousands of anarchists in exile

456
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 1: in France. They said up a bunch of organizations. These

457
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: are very much the organization type of anarchist. Half of

458
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: the history books about this are like basically reading the

459
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: meeting notes of these fucking organizations, where they're like, of course,

460
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: oh well, this three letter acronym didn't really like the

461
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 1: thing that the committee of the such and such of

462
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: the other three letter acronym did, and I'm like, I

463
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 1: do not care about that.

464
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 3: Oh. Imagine if all of like the anarchist org signal

465
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 3: chats just got turned into these like fifty years and

466
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 3: someone started like sort through and decipher what these meeting

467
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 3: notes are, yeah, and then decides to present it as

468
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 3: if that's what's interesting instead of I'm gonna tell you

469
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 3: about some people who got a plane and try to

470
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 3: blow up Franco. That's interesting or interesting.

471
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. So one of these organizations they set up a

472
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 1: quote conspiratorial commission, which is the commission.

473
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, that sounds.

474
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: Right now. Mostly apparently this group, and this might have

475
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,479
Speaker 1: just been some some ship, some shade that was being

476
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: thrown by the historian who I think knew these people.

477
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: Mostly they set around at coffee and were like, hmm,

478
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: we should have a revolution don't you think that's also

479
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 1: what I do in my conspiratorial coalition.

480
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 4: I know.

481
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: And then these people have also like seen thousands of

482
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: their comrades die and have personally charged at machine gun nests.

483
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 1: So they can sit around at coffee and talk some bullshit.

484
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: I feel that way, and I've been like shot with

485
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: less lethals and spent a couple of nights in jail.

486
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 3: You know, they're not going to get hit with the

487
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 3: armchair anarchist allegations.

488
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: No, no, except by some of the historians who have

489
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: also charged a machine gun nests. But I am not

490
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: in a place to say such. Okay, So there is

491
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: one guy in the group, and his name is Lariano

492
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: Serata Santos, and he's cool. He was in his forties

493
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: at this point, and he had a plan, and he

494
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: was his old working class anarchist. He'd spent his life

495
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: working on the railroad and fementing anarchist revolution and at

496
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: this point, at least after the fall of the Spanish Republic,

497
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: he's a forger and that's his like main deal, like

498
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: a like metal forging. No, no, like during the Nazi occupation,

499
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: he printed hundreds of official documents for juice cool. Yeah,

500
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: he've printed money, printed ideas, he printed whatever you needed.

501
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: This guy's providing it and so probably more impactful than

502
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: anything else he did in his life. But like something

503
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: that's like a lot of the anarchists participation in the

504
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: resistance is like less documented, right, But he printed hundreds

505
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: of hundreds official documents for Jews and France. He altered

506
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: their racial identity on their legal papers and saved their lives.

507
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: So already he's like in into the cool people heaven.

508
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

509
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: But now it's nineteen forty eight. World War two has

510
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: been over for a bit. Franco hasn't yet legitimized his

511
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: authority over Spain, right, because everything is still very much

512
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: in play. So Sonata comes up with a plan. His

513
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: plan's very simple. You get an airplane and you drop

514
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of bombs on Franco. Step one, yeah, get

515
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: an airplane, right, So step one is getting airplane in

516
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: a pilot, and so they pick this tiny little plane

517
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: because they figure there's this boat race, this fancy regatta.

518
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: I had to look up regatta and it means fancy

519
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: boat race, which is what I thought, but I wasn't sure.

520
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: Not a regular part of my daily life.

521
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 3: Yoh, you don't hang out at the regatta every weekend.

522
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: No, not as much, not anymore, okay, not since I'm

523
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: an immortal vampire and I went to this one.

524
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 3: You don't hot hoist the black flag at the regatta.

525
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: And so they get this like fancy bougie tiny plane, right,

526
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: or that's their plan. They're like, we want this fancy

527
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: bougie tiny plane because it'll fit in with all the

528
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: other like tiny planes hanging out among the boats at

529
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: the regatta that Franco Is gonna officiate. Sure, they picked

530
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: a pilot named Primativo Perez Gomez who'd been a fighter

531
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: pilot during the Civil War, so there was anarchists thank

532
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: you flying okay anyway, yeah, yeah, sure. They picked a

533
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: plane that they could buy in Paris, and for a

534
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: tiny little plane, it was very modern. It could land

535
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: in only one hundred and sixty meters, which is fucking ridiculous,

536
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: Like currently the runway for a small plane, like a

537
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: tiny plane is two thousand meters. And wow, now it's

538
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: not to say that this plane is like designed to

539
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: land in one hundred and sixty meters. Sure, sure, sure,

540
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: Why when they go on like a test flight. They're like, hey,

541
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: h could you just We're like totally not sketchy when

542
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: we're buying this, but could you just like land it

543
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: really really short, just as short as you can. I

544
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: just want to see how short it's coming fun for fun. Yeah,

545
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: And the guy's like that's illegal, and they're like, we

546
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: won't buy it unless you do it, and he's like okay, okay,

547
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: based based yeah, and uh so they're like, all right,

548
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: now we have a plane that is a perfect plane

549
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: for doing a murder and then ditching in a field

550
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: because you can land in a fucking field. They get

551
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: one more person along for the ride El Valencia. This

552
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: was not a small conspiracy. At least twenty people knew

553
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: what was happening. No snitches, this entire plan.

554
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 3: Whoof for twenty people, that's pretty solid, and there's like okay,

555
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: So they bring in a French guy as the buyer,

556
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: since they need a French citizen to be the one

557
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 3: to buy the plane.

558
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: They spent one point six million francs on the plane.

559
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: I did not successfully find the value of this old money,

560
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: but it's not a small amount of money. The anarchists

561
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: have a fair I mean they were running a good

562
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 1: chunk of a country immediately before this. Right, they're all

563
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: like working class and working. It's like ironmongers and shit,

564
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: but they like have access to some money. There's also

565
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: bank robbers and shit like that funding them. Right, So

566
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: they buy the plane. A pilot at the local airfield

567
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: when they go and buy it, recognize the Spanish anarchists

568
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: from their bravery or during the French resistance, because the

569
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: guy who's just like flying around in the bougie little

570
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: airfield plane place where the pilots hang out, and.

571
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 3: Then you see then someone recognizes you, which idea which

572
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 3: was probably a nightmare scenario.

573
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and he takes them aside. He's like, hey,

574
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you really quick. And he's like, hey,

575
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: you might want to be careful flying over the Pyrenees

576
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: into Spain. They're watching the shit out of that and

577
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: I'll shoot you down. And they're like, whoa, why would

578
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: we clearly a bunch of Spanish anarchists be planning on

579
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: taking this plane to Spain. We would never never do

580
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: such a thing. Still, no snitches, everyone knows what they're doing.

581
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 3: That's pretty cool.

582
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, they refitted the plane with bomb doors by involving

583
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: yet another guy a mechanic, and I guess fabricator. They

584
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: have a whole bunch of bombs because they'd fought in

585
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: the French resistance and the whole time with the French

586
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: resistance is happening, especially I think a lot of these

587
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: bombs come when the Italians retreated, but then also when

588
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: the Germans would retreat, the anarchists would be like and mine,

589
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: and mine and mine, and just go pick up all

590
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: the bombs, just like go dumbstirring for spare boss. Yeah,

591
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: and like machine guns and shit. They decide in the

592
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: end not to bring the machine gun. You know, they're

593
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: like looking through and picking which bombs to bring. The

594
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: morning of three anarchists, four incendiary bombs and twenty shrapnel

595
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: bombs get on the plane. One of the rebels flying

596
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: one of the anarchists was the propagandist whose job was

597
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: to drop handbills over the crowd. And also it just

598
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: said camera. I don't know whether it was film or photograph,

599
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: but they were going to photograph or film them blowing

600
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: up Franco based journalist.

601
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, based journalists piloting the ball plane. Yeah.

602
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: And then there's another guy whose job is to have

603
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: binoculars and like look out for everything. And then there's

604
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: the pilot that's pretty funny. And in the morning they're like,

605
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna cover up the French flag on

606
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: the plane so we better fit in with the small

607
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: planes that we're expected to mingle with. But they don't

608
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: have time and they're running late, so they don't cover

609
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: This saves their lives.

610
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: What this could be such? This could be such a

611
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: good like suspense thriller, like no with the guy at

612
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 3: the airfield recognizes you and you're like, oh no, we're

613
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: we're we're about to get gone, and then you could

614
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: give it a piece of crucial advice. Yeah, and then

615
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 3: you're like, we don't have enough time to paint over

616
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 3: the French flag, and then it turns out to actually

617
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: be the thing that saves you.

618
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

619
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

620
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: And they don't fly over the Pyrenees, and I don't

621
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: know whether it was because that guy's advice or not.

622
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: They fly over the water and partly because they're trying

623
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: to go to the north coast of Spain. Anyway, it's

624
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: a pretty logical way to do it. They approach Spain

625
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: over the water and there's two battleships standing guard over

626
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: the regatta and they're tracking the plane with their guns,

627
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: their anti aircraft guns. And then there's no small planes

628
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: over the race at all, and instead there's a ton

629
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: of fighter pilots everywhere, like circling the sky to make

630
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,479
Speaker 1: sure no one tries to blow up Franco.

631
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty freaky.

632
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: And the reason that they know there were no snitches

633
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: is that, well, say that they don't get shot down.

634
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, no one knows exactly what they're up to,

635
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 3: it seems.

636
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

637
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: So the fighter pilots come for the anarchists to get

638
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: a closer look. And if they hadn't had the French

639
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: flag on the plane, they probably would have just opened fire.

640
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: But instead they're like, oh, we shouldn't open fire on

641
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: these random French people, right.

642
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 3: They're just flying. They don't know what they're doing.

643
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: Yeah French, Yeah totally, that's a white flag, the classic

644
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: French flag. And so the pilot just dives at the water,

645
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: dives to within a few feet of the water, and

646
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: just gets the fuck out of there, just like fucking runs.

647
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is the right spot? It is too hot?

648
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 3: The spot's too hot jack b Yeah, they.

649
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: Like keep going for a while, they're like, oh, the

650
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: battleships are after us, and they're like, oh, there's a

651
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: couple of fighter pilots. And then there's like it's all

652
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: fighter pilots, no small planes. Gotta go. So they make

653
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: it back to France and they're like all right, you

654
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: want to go back tomorrow. They're like, yeah, let's go

655
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: back tomorrow.

656
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 3: They try the same thing the next day.

657
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: Well, they have a new plan. The new plan is

658
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: we know what hotel he's in. Let's just bomb hotel.

659
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 3: Oh okay, there's like there's like other people at the hotel.

660
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, but like probably fascist. Yeah, I

661
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: don't know. I I'm not a big like collateral damages.

662
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: Fine person, but I don't fucking know.

663
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 3: But frank. Yeah.

664
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: So then they, uh, they go out at four in

665
00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: the morning and they have a new plan. They're going

666
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: fly low to the water in the middle of the night,

667
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: hugging the coast, which is like the most dangerous way

668
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: to fly this kind of plane, apparently. Yeah, they plate

669
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:15,959
Speaker 1: full of balls, yeah, and some pamphlets. Oh good, rain

670
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: keeps them from going it. The airfield is completely mud

671
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: when they go out at four in the morning, and

672
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: they just flee.

673
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 3: Abandoned the plane.

674
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: Interesting, and a few years later, as best as I can,

675
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: peace out the rest of this saga, the pilot was arrested.

676
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 1: He later died a freeman. No one else was arrested.

677
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: I actually don't know if he was arrested for this,

678
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: for his arrested for something else. Some other folks were investigated, but.

679
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 3: It certainly sounds like he could have been arrested doing

680
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 3: other things.

681
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all of these people liked crime. Yeah, Serata

682
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: the forger I was talking about, he went back to forging.

683
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 4: He was.

684
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: He was pretty good at that. He got caught a

685
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: bunch of time, once with like just a ton of

686
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: fake money, and like another time for printing IDs and shit.

687
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: His last arrest was in nineteen seventy, when he was

688
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: sixty seven years old. He was held for a few months,

689
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: and he was all set to like die in bed,

690
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: an old man. He's like he made his seventy you

691
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: know whatever seventy four when a fucking police informant in

692
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: the anarchist movement murdered him in the street.

693
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 3: Weird.

694
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: That sucks, probably because he was going to reveal that

695
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: the guy was a police informant. Interesting, So then the

696
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: police smuggled that guy to Canada, where he probably lived

697
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: out happily the rest of his fucking days.

698
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 3: The murderer not our finest moment.

699
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sarada had a quote about his attempt on Franco's life,

700
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: and I think it actually nails the moral question we

701
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: were talking about. Quote personal attentats. Assassinations are effective to

702
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: a degree determined by powers wielded by the victim. To

703
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: take the life of a constitutional king through conspiracy and

704
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: not through revolution is to change nothing except for his air.

705
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: But if someone had eliminated, say Adolf Hitler in nineteen

706
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: thirty nine, which of us can say that his death

707
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: would not have been of benefit to Europe. When we

708
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: tried to liquidate Franco back in nineteen forty eight, we

709
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: were persuaded that in doing so we would be changing

710
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: the course of Spanish history utterly.

711
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I mean, it's a certainly, it's certainly an

712
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 3: interesting thing in terms of like what if the next

713
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: guy that comes in is just as bad or worse,

714
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 3: or you'd you can'tate fate is weird? You can't, you

715
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: can't you can't defnate these things very easily.

716
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: No, totally and we're going to talk about one more

717
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: wacky failed anarchist bombing of Franco that I think I

718
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 1: already said failed, it did not succeed, that almost changed

719
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: the world.

720
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 4: See.

721
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 3: The thing I love about these stories, Margaret, is the

722
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 3: suspense of knowing if it's going to succeed or not.

723
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, did Franco die in the seventies or what we

724
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: did die in the seventies. Did Franco die in the sixties, fifties?

725
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: I'll get to that part in the script. I think

726
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: it's the sixties.

727
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 3: I think there could also be a good Tarantina movie

728
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 3: here where it's like an alternate history of them actually

729
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 3: succeeding and killing Franco. Yeah. And then and then we

730
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 3: get a get a look at what Spain could have

731
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 3: been been, like like an exaggerated lens.

732
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: But still, and we find out that that Parkinson's bit

733
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: was actually just somebody's code name.

734
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 3: Oh nice. Yeah, yeah, So, Sophy, do not say anything else.

735
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 3: Screenwriters are going to be snatch your ideas from you.

736
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: You got to keep your lips sealed until you have

737
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 3: the full pitch ready.

738
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, good to know no one's listening to us. It's

739
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: just us here. But if either of you two want

740
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: great deals, have I got some great deals for you

741
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: the advertisers. Even though no one listens to the show

742
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: it's private recording. Don't worry.

743
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 3: You can say whatever you It still has advertisers. I actually,

744
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 3: Margaret just plays four minutes of ads for us. We

745
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 3: have to sit here and listen to them with you. Actually,

746
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 3: I know. We don't get to skip forward ten seconds.

747
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 3: We have to sit here as Margaret plays them and

748
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 3: waiting for it to be over so we can continue

749
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 3: talking about Yeah.

750
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: Uh, Franco and I make like a funny face, just

751
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 1: Robert Evans on a loop going mid mobile, mid mobile,

752
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: over and over again for four minutes, and then Margaret apologizing.

753
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: And I do this when I talk to my friends

754
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: on the phone. If I talk to my friends more

755
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: than twenty minutes, I run an ad break.

756
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 3: See I actually do this sometimes, not joking. What I

757
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 3: actually do these types of bits in real life?

758
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: You do? Oh yeah, no, that makes sense because I

759
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 1: mean we spend a lot of our time anyway. Here's

760
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: some ads that support us eating food or not.

761
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 2: If you've subscribed to the previous figures, here's us coming back.

762
00:39:54,440 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: Right away, and we're back we're going to talk about

763
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: a Scottish anarchist with a kilt and bombs. A Scottish anarchist. Yeah, okay,

764
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about Stuart Christie. Stuart Christie was

765
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: an anarchist, historian and author and translator, and would be

766
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: assassin of Franco. He died in twenty twenty. I never

767
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: actually had a pleasure of knowing him. I've like a

768
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: lot of the people I've worked with him, worked with

769
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: through publishing, know him because he stayed engaged his entire life.

770
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert. He grew up in Scotland and became an

771
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: anarchist when he was sixteen. He says his grandma's good

772
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: influence made him an anarchist. He wrote a book quote

773
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: or quote. The name of the book is Granny made

774
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: Me an anarchist?

775
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 3: Pretty solid title.

776
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, totally. As he put it, quote basically, what

777
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: she did was provide a moral barometer which married almost

778
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: exactly with that of libertarian socialism and anarchism. And she

779
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: provided the star which I followed. And then this other

780
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: part that was a quote from his grandmother that I

781
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: just really like, which is just we are not bystanders

782
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: in life.

783
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 3: Nice, nice, that's a solid one.

784
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. So in nineteen sixty two, when he was sixteen

785
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: years old, he joined the Anarchist Federation in Glasgow. In

786
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty four, he was eighteen years old, he had

787
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: moved to London. He was doing sheet metal work and

788
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: iron mongerie, the other kind of forgery for gene, I guess. Yeah,

789
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: he met a bunch of Spanish anarchists in exile and

790
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: he was like, oh shit, I could probably help. I

791
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: bet a random Scottish kid he can get through some

792
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: borders more easily than some Spanish anarchist exiles. Yeah.

793
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 3: Maybe he was right about all right.

794
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 1: He got himself over to Paris. He told his family

795
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: he was off to go pick some grapes. So true,

796
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 1: he did not pick any grapes. He also didn't speak

797
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: any French.

798
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 3: I mean it's barely intelligible as a language anyway.

799
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the French are famous for not minding that

800
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: people don't speak French when they're there. So he met

801
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: up with some anarchists in a group called Defensa Interior

802
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 1: and I have a feeling the French anarchists weren't like, oh,

803
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: you don't speak French. He's like, I'm Scottish and I'm

804
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: willing to carry some bombs. They were like yeah, fuck.

805
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, sure, yeah, yes, let's fucking go.

806
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. They gave him some plastic explosives and his job.

807
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 3: I like it. You just go to France to be

808
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 3: given some plastic explosively. Yeah, here, take these, have fun. Yeah.

809
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: His job was to ferry them into Madrid and give

810
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 1: them to a forty year old anarchist carpenter whose job

811
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: was to turn Spain's fascist dictator from a regular guy

812
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: into an exploded guy with a regular guy, but in

813
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: a lot more pieces. Yeah, using one neat trick that

814
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: they don't want you to know about. And the way

815
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: that Christy Uh was going to signal to his conspirator

816
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: who he was was that he wore a bandage on

817
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: his hand, like oh, I fucked up my hand, and

818
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: that was like his like like one Spanish phrase he

819
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: learned was like my hand it is hurt or whatever.

820
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: And he knew even less Spanish than he knew French. Okay,

821
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: so he's off to transport bombs. He strapped them to

822
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: his body and he threw on a hand Knitz sweater.

823
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: I think that his grandma made. But I'm not entirely sure.

824
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 3: That's adorable.

825
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, he also wore a kilt. I've heard that he

826
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: wore the kilt to help him catch rides while he

827
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: was hitchhiking. I don't know exactly, yeah, basically.

828
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

829
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: So later the press said that the assassin was quote

830
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: a Scottish transvestite. Holy shit based Yeah, yeah, they're just

831
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: like me.

832
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 3: That's crazy, I know.

833
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: Except according to another source, the kilt thing was a

834
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: francoist police fabrication to say, oh no, it's not that

835
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: we had an infiltrator. It's that he drew attention to

836
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: himself by wearing a kilt. Who's to say, there's no

837
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: way to know whose word to take here? Well, what's

838
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: a kind of an annoying as If I've done this

839
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, I would have been like, dear

840
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: Stuart Christie, did you wear a kilt? Also, he's probably

841
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: written this. I don't have time to read every fucking

842
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: book before I like, you know, it is a better

843
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: story if he wore a kilt and I have more sources.

844
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: It's like two to one the sources that I've got,

845
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: and he wore a kilt. There's only one problem unlike

846
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: the airplane conspiracy of nineteen forty eight, this group had

847
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: been infiltrated, and Stuart Christie was arrested in Madrid and

848
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: forced to watch his carpenter would be friend be tortured. Ah,

849
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: what's funny is I mean it hadn't been infiltrated, they

850
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: might have exploded. Who knows, Franco might have gone out

851
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: eleven years early. So Stuart Christie is forced to sign

852
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: a confession and is convicted of quote banditry and terrorism

853
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 1: because all of the anti Franco rebels were called bandits.

854
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 1: This is like their main method of delegitimize unrest. It's

855
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: like the outside agitators for Spain. Yeah, it didn't matter

856
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: that he literally didn't rob anyone.

857
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 3: That's it's just like a colloquial term, meaning this is

858
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 3: not like a real person that you need to care about.

859
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly. He could have been executed. He was

860
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: facing execution. He would have been garroted, garroted whatever choked

861
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: or the story did Yeah, garrotted.

862
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 3: I don't know either. I'm just saying that. So one

863
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 3: of us probably got it right.

864
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably. And and if you're listening and you know

865
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: the answer.

866
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: Dm me at I write okay on Twitter, Yeah.

867
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly with a voice memo. Indeed anyway, Ah, they

868
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: gave him twenty years instead, probably because he was like

869
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Speaker 1: a nice Scottish boy or whatever. So true, he goes

870
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Speaker 1: to prison, his co conspiratus thirty years I think, or

871
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: maybe ends up serving thirty years. What year does he

872
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: go to prison sixty four two? So in prison he's

873
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 1: a hero. There's plenty of anarchists still in Spanish prison.

874
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: They like him, and then an international campaign gets underway

875
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: to free our our poor young Scottish boy is as

876
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: far as I could tell, it's like the equivalent of like,

877
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: like everyone involved in this story is white, but it's

878
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: still somehow like the it's like, well, you're like Western European,

879
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: you're uke in you're like actually white. Yeah, And so

880
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: there's international campaign underweight of or because he's just like young,

881
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: and like his defense in court is like I thought

882
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 1: I was just transporting flyers or whatever.

883
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 3: Me too, me too, Yeah.

884
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: And also his confession had been tortured out of him.

885
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:44,959
Speaker 3: Yeah.

886
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: The campaign involved bretand Russell, a famous public intellectual guy,

887
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Speaker 1: and Jean Paul Sart, a famous existentialist author and most

888
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: importantly his mom.

889
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 3: That's nice.

890
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: And after three years he was released.

891
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 3: That I assumed he was going to wait until Franco

892
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Speaker 3: was gone.

893
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Speaker 1: No, he Yeah, the international campaign gets a lot of

894
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: steam and Franco is like, oh, I couldn't say no

895
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Speaker 1: to a mom who's worried about her kid. But it's

896
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: like Franco was kind of scared, I think, yeah, yeah, yeah,

897
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Speaker 1: interesting his co defendant wasn't released until nineteen seventy six

898
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Speaker 1: and supposedly was Franco's last political prisoner.

899
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Speaker 3: That kind of makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Stuart has a quote about what he accomplished through

901
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: the failed attempt, which was that quote, the most beneficial

902
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: thing was that my arrest provided a focus for what

903
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: Franco was doing. He was trying to pass himself off

904
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Speaker 1: as an old, avuncular gentleman on a white charger, while

905
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: in fact he had all these political prisoners, thousands of

906
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: whom were tortured and some killed. And yeah, I mean

907
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: it's like it's basically it's like Western Ice start seeing

908
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: what's happening.

909
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 3: You know.

910
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: Stuart gets out, he goes back to the UK. He

911
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: becomes a gas fitter, which means a plumber for gas

912
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: and I like that because Savat last week's protagonist was

913
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: also a plumber, because plumbers hate Franco. Because here's my theory.

914
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: I think Franco is a Bowser.

915
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 3: Does this makes sense?

916
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 4: Yeah?

917
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean there are definitely some Francoist

918
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 3: elements in modern depictions of Bowser. That yeah, that certainly tracks.

919
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.

920
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 3: Stuart.

921
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: Later he gets arrested when the UK government cracks down

922
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: on the probably future friends of the Pod. The Angry Brigade.

923
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: The Angry Brigade was, and I'm not going to go

924
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 1: into them super detail. They were an anarchist communist gorilla

925
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: group who never killed anyone, but they like blowing up

926
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Speaker 1: symbols of power in the early seventies in the UK.

927
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 3: Wait, isn't Mario a monarchist though.

928
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Speaker 1: Well, they made an adaptation. They took real, real people's

929
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: stories and turned them into monarchist propaganda.

930
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 3: Yep, hmmm yeah. I don't know, Margaret, I don't know

931
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Speaker 3: if I can support pro monarchist propaganda. Oh no, that's

932
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 3: not true. I like Lord of the Rings anyway.

933
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Speaker 1: Continue, all right, so the Angry Brigade they like blowing

934
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Speaker 1: stuff up, they never kill anyone, Okay, huh.

935
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Speaker 3: Do they do? They successfully blow things up though, yeah, yeah, okay, okay,

936
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Speaker 3: the Angry Brigade spends a while blowing stuff up in

937
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 3: the UK.

938
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Speaker 1: They're like, we're angry and they blow stuff up, like

939
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: fuck you thing. I clearly haven't read the book about it. Yeah,

940
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 1: he pretty much got arrested because they were like, well,

941
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: some anarchists blew some stuff up. We know an anarchist

942
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: who once tried to blow some stuff up.

943
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Speaker 3: I mean yeah, that is like, that is definitely like

944
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Speaker 3: an OPSEEC concern being like, well he was a brigade.

945
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: Oh okay, oh he was all right, but he was

946
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: friends with them all. So the other reason he got arrested, yeah,

947
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: is that after they arrested them, he like showed up

948
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: at their house and so they arrested him. But he

949
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: was like, well, he's just friends of them, because they're

950
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: the anarchists in the UK, like the Clash only anyway

951
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: sex pistols I know, punk I swear anyway. So there's

952
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: a six month trial for the Angry Brigade. It gets

953
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: called the longest trial trial in UK history. This is

954
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 1: not true.

955
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 3: Also six months, I mean yeah, I'm used to like

956
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 3: American trials which are like, I know, he's oh wow,

957
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 3: the six months trial. That's so convenient.

958
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 4: I know.

959
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: I read that and I was like, holy shit, they're

960
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: really fast over there. I thought one of our whole

961
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: things was right to a speedy trial. And I like

962
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 1: Google like longest trial and there's like just a lot

963
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:44,439
Speaker 1: of answers that aren't the Angry Brigade. Sure whatever, there's

964
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: a long trial and during it eight thousand people bought

965
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: in war pins that said I'm in the Angry Brigade.

966
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 3: Amazing. Yeah, that's great, that's that's fun.

967
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 4: Yeah.

968
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: Stuart Christie stayed involved in anarchism his whole life. He

969
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: helped restart an old an organization, the Anarchist Black Cross,

970
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: which is more than one hundred years old. Now it's

971
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: a prisoner support organization. He campaigned for the release of

972
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: other Spanish anarchists prisoners and got a bunch of them

973
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,760
Speaker 1: out to London, organizing with them there. He married another comrade.

974
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: They had a kid. He lived on a tiny island

975
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: for a while and they ran that island's newspaper. In

976
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. He died of lung cancer at the age

977
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: of seventy four, and I'll end this chunk with a

978
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: quote from him that I like, without freedom there would

979
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: be no equality, and without equality, no freedom, and without

980
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: struggle there would be neither. And so I don't know,

981
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: rest in peace to it, Christie.

982
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 3: It sounds like he lived kind of like an ideal

983
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 3: anarchist life almost like he did he got to do,

984
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 3: He got to be involved in a lot of really

985
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 3: cool things to try out, a lot of pretty cool things.

986
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 3: Didn't spend that much time in prison altogether. Yeah, it

987
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 3: got to like die of like relatively like natural causes

988
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 3: at age, like seventy four, seventy two, seventy four, seventy four,

989
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 3: Like that's yeah, that's pretty good. Like what more can

990
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 3: you hope for?

991
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: Yeah? Now, he he did a fucking ton of stuff too,

992
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: like his writings, his translations. He actually did the translation

993
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: of the book Sabote that I was the main source

994
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: for last weeks.

995
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 3: So I guessing he eventually learned other way.

996
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm willing to bet the three years in Spanish

997
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: prison maybe taught him a little bit of it Spanish

998
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: and Codzalan.

999
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1000
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there is an award for best assassination during

1001
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 1: the Franco regime. It might win the award for best

1002
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: assassination period and it goes This award goes to the

1003
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: Boss Separatists and specifically it goes to the Bosque Space

1004
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: Program And I'm going to tell you about them on

1005
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: Wednesday on.

1006
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 3: The next episode. Oh wow, yeah see. And now I

1007
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 3: have to sit here for like a day and a

1008
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 3: half just in this chair. Yeah, well, Margaret, watch is

1009
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 3: me al via my video feed here until we can

1010
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 3: talk about it again. So I know, I have to

1011
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 3: just wait as long as you guys have to.

1012
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, So if you'll be here keeping his company, we'll

1013
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: order in always we'll use do we have an advertiser

1014
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 1: who's like, a, we'll just use our gold coins? Yeah?

1015
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 3: I bet, I bet? I bet it can trade my

1016
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 3: ranking coin for for currency with the you know, like

1017
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 3: door ash will calm be like, hey, can I can

1018
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 3: use this as a tip, And he'll be like, what

1019
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 3: are you doing? Get away from me, and then that'll

1020
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 3: be a nice exchange.

1021
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you'll just walk towards the door going chut

1022
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: chut chut chumba. I don't know if I'm allowed to

1023
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: do that. I guess I did. We'll find out, but

1024
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: we know what else we'll find out, Garrison Davis, We'll

1025
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: find out your plugs.

1026
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 3: Oh well. As people probably know, I work on a

1027
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 3: podcast called it Could Happen Here. I've been the past

1028
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 3: few months have been covering the happenings in Atlanta related

1029
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 3: to the Stop Coop City movement, so so that that

1030
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 3: is still ongoing as a time of recording, as the

1031
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 3: time of publishing, probably a lot has actually changed because

1032
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 3: there's the city council gooes to a proof funding on

1033
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 3: the fifth, So who knows what I'll be there, but

1034
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 3: I'll keep I'll keep keep giving updates on the cauld

1035
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 3: Happen Here podcast in these next few months as that develops.

1036
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 3: And then also you can find me posting mostly mostly

1037
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 3: not very good jokes on Twitter at Hungry bow Tie.

1038
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: Sophie. What do you got ah?

1039
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,160
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1040
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1041
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1042
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:50,360
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1043
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1045
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: I know what I want to plug. I want to

1046
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: plug the number city. How have you already been hearing?

1047
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 3: Absolutely?

1048
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: But this very month, I'm kickstarting a tabletop role playing game,

1049
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: and as of this recording, we met our kickstarter goal

1050
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: and have exceeded it within like three hours of posting

1051
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: it this morning.

1052
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 3: And but Margaret, do you have any stretch goals? We

1053
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 3: do have stretch goals. Oh boy. Yeah.

1054
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: If we reach twenty thousand dollars, which we probably will

1055
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: by the time that I go to bed tonight, we'll

1056
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: add three new character classes to the tabletop role playing game.

1057
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: Do you want to play a Clacker?

1058
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 4: Wait?

1059
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: Actually, don't remember which classes we're going to add. I

1060
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: don't have my notes in front of me.

1061
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 4: I never do.

1062
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: But if we reach forty thousand dollars, I have to

1063
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: write a novella based in the world. So if you

1064
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: like tabletop role playing games and you like trying and

1065
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: failing to turn dictators into multiple smaller pieces, you might

1066
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: like this game. Because you can't go to prison for

1067
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: playing it. You can probably play it in prison.

1068
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 3: I don't know about that, Margaret. They are they are

1069
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 3: pretty strict on on what books can be let in.

1070
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people do play role playing games

1071
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: in prison, But it might involve making a different version

1072
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: of it for it anyway, that's what I have to.

1073
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: Just google the number city Kickstarter and you'll find it

1074
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: and we'll see you on Wednesday when we talk about

1075
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: the Space program.

1076
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 4: They Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production

1077
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,359
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1078
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Speaker 3: You'll have been