Speaker 1: What's that at bed?
Speaker 2: It's spooky?
Speaker 1: Hey, juky, I'm really sure it's dead. He's coming this way.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, I'm nandas.
Speaker 3: Pllease Hey boo, it's me Roz and welcome to Ghosted
Speaker 3: by Roz Hernandez, the podcast that makes me go the.
Speaker 1: Weather outside is frightful, bitch, your stories are frightful. Happy
Speaker 1: holidays everyone, Hey, I should tell you right off the
Speaker 1: top that we will be taking off next week and
Speaker 1: don't kill me also the next week because it will
Speaker 1: be Christmas and then New Year's Day, and so we
Speaker 1: will be back on the eighth of January. But you
Speaker 1: know what, because it's the holidays, I'll give you a
Speaker 1: little gift. I'll tell you who my guest is, Margaret Joe.
Speaker 1: Margaret Show is back on the show, so look forward
Speaker 1: to that in the new year. On the eighth of January.
Speaker 1: Still not too late to get some Christmas holiday presence from.
Speaker 2: Me, Roz.
Speaker 1: You can get a cameo which is at cameo dot
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Speaker 1: go to exactly Right's merch website and get them there.
Speaker 1: They're so cute. Also, I'm selling polaroids on my Instagram. Okay,
Speaker 1: I got to talk to Chris Fleming, who is absolutely hilarious.
Speaker 1: We had the time of our lives. We get into
Speaker 1: a cryptid story that was a real doozy. But before
Speaker 1: we get to that, let me read you a story.
Speaker 1: This one comes from Reb Reb from Saint Louis. Okay,
Speaker 1: Reb sent me a few, but here's one that took
Speaker 1: place in Saint George, Utah. So Reb is at a random,
Speaker 1: cheap Wyndham hotel with their father who had come to visit. Now,
Speaker 1: it says, Utah surprisingly one of the prettiest places as
Speaker 1: long as you avoid most of downtown Salt Lake City. Okay, interesting,
Speaker 1: I do love Utah. By the way, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it feels like you're completely on another plan. It's cool.
Speaker 1: So they write, I do the van life thing and
Speaker 1: I was getting cold out so I stayed in the
Speaker 1: hotel room with my dad when he got into town.
Speaker 1: Every night while we slept, the TV would turn on
Speaker 1: by itself. At first, we assumed it was some technical issue.
Speaker 1: So after a couple of nights of this happening, I
Speaker 1: decided to be clever and turn the volume all the
Speaker 1: way down on the TV before turning it off. I thought,
Speaker 1: at least if it turned on again, the sudden sound
Speaker 1: wouldn't scare the crap out of us. That same night,
Speaker 1: the TV turns on again, but at full volume. Now
Speaker 1: we're really freaked out, but what can we do. We
Speaker 1: turn it off again and try to sleep. Eventually we
Speaker 1: throw the remote into a and that stopped it. Does
Speaker 1: this prove a spooky thing? Was no longer able to
Speaker 1: use the remote? I don't know, but it gets creepier.
Speaker 1: So we solved the TV problem. But now the room
Speaker 1: is so quiet. It is too quiet. I felt a
Speaker 1: presence other than my dad in the room. He was
Speaker 1: in his bed sleeping. At first, I'm just very aware
Speaker 1: of an additional energy moving in the room. Then I
Speaker 1: felt whatever it was sit on my bed right behind me.
Speaker 1: I was terrified, frozen in fear. I prayed frantically, hoping
Speaker 1: it wouldn't touch me, praying and praying that it would
Speaker 1: go away until I passed out. Now it's been a
Speaker 1: few years, so I don't know what order all this happened,
Speaker 1: but at some point my dad said I jolted up,
Speaker 1: still a slip, shouting.
Speaker 3: No, no, don't.
Speaker 1: It freaked him out, but he's a good dad, and
Speaker 1: he told me something like, it's okay, you're okay, everything's fine,
Speaker 1: go back to sleep. I don't remember any of it,
Speaker 1: but apparently I'd laid back down and was fine until
Speaker 1: the scariest part was when my dad went back to
Speaker 1: Saint Louis, but he booked some extra nights for me
Speaker 1: to stay in the hotel. I'm in the room by myself.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: The room is dark, and I'm trying to fall asleep.
Speaker 1: I'm letting my gaze wander, and I see in the
Speaker 1: corner near the ceiling something blacker than the darkness of
Speaker 1: the room. Creepy crawling out of that corner from the
Speaker 1: friggin ceiling. It was very large and spider like, but
Speaker 1: without any clear form undulating out of the darkness. I
Speaker 1: turned over on my side and again began to pray,
Speaker 1: curled up tight in the fetal position, absolutely terrifying, praying
Speaker 1: again until I passed out. I had never experienced anything
Speaker 1: like that. Rab Oh my god. Okay, First of all,
Speaker 1: they better have had a bomb ass Continental breakfast. I
Speaker 1: would have yelped the shit out of that place. Why
Speaker 1: didn't you move rooms? Make up a story. If you're embarrassed,
Speaker 1: get out of that room. That is too scary. Who
Speaker 1: but I'm so glad you stayed and lived to tell
Speaker 1: the tale, and now I get to share it with
Speaker 1: the rest of us. Thank you. Okay, it is time
Speaker 1: for me to talk to the one and only hilarious
Speaker 1: Chris Fleming and with the show. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: am joined by an icon of bangs with glasses. Chris Fleming, Hello.
Speaker 2: With big glasses. We both have big glasses and bangs.
Speaker 1: I have my comically large comedy prop glasses that do
Speaker 1: have a prescription. But they they definitely I hope helped
Speaker 1: me to be silly. Silly.
Speaker 2: Well, I think we lead with our glasses, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, glasses and bangs.
Speaker 2: People lead with their hips, people lead with their you know,
Speaker 2: their shoulder. We lead with our with our glasses and
Speaker 2: our banks. Yeah, my bangs are too long. I'm looking
Speaker 2: a little bit like a nineties soccer player these days,
Speaker 2: you know when they grow out and they're kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 2: embarrassingly parted like this.
Speaker 1: They're never ending, they really, they really are a commitment.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so worth it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And when you say icon, I mean you just
Speaker 2: had Christian Stewart on. I feel like, how can we even?
Speaker 2: I can't. It's probably the first podcast Christen Stewart's ever done, right.
Speaker 1: She has not done many. And yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: major honor to have on. Kristen. That was sort of
Speaker 1: my like Mark Maren having Obama on his podcast.
Speaker 2: Totally. I saw that. I was like, god, oh my god,
Speaker 2: it's just insane.
Speaker 1: Well, I know her, she's she produces the TV show
Speaker 1: I'm on and she's awesome, and I've been ghost hunting
Speaker 1: with her.
Speaker 2: You've been you've interacted with the with the Paranormal Realm
Speaker 2: with Kristen Stewart. Yes, I have.
Speaker 1: So that's who the fuck you're talking to.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Okay, okay, yeah, but that is so cool.
Speaker 1: I am a huge fan of yours and I am
Speaker 1: so excited that you've joined me.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I do have to ask right off the top, are
Speaker 1: you aware of the British television psychic Chris Fleming.
Speaker 2: Not only am I aware, well, yeah, my dad was
Speaker 2: following him on Twitter thinking it was me for about
Speaker 2: a decade, and so my dad would like be like, Chris, Chris,
Speaker 2: I don't know why you're going on a ghost hunt
Speaker 2: in Scotland, Chris. You know it'd be a seriously shit
Speaker 2: like that, and he and I would just get each
Speaker 2: other's We still do a lot of each other's like
Speaker 2: messages and stuff, and we just like send them to
Speaker 2: each other. And he came to it to see me
Speaker 2: in Chicago and we had like a in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: right before the pandemic, and we had like the loveliest
Speaker 2: like I don't know if you've ever met someone with
Speaker 2: your same name, but it is like it's like if
Speaker 2: it didn't feel like me, maybe I'm Dumbe, but it
Speaker 2: felt like meeting a twin right right, Like there was
Speaker 2: some kind of like I had my arm, don't I
Speaker 2: don't like touching people usually, but I had my arm
Speaker 2: around him the whole night, like we were like on
Speaker 2: a honeymoon. I just had my arm around this ghost
Speaker 2: hunter Chris Fleming, because he was well he's also so charming.
Speaker 1: Did he read you?
Speaker 2: No, No, we just we just had a lot of mohitos.
Speaker 2: We did. We sat up very late, and no, I
Speaker 2: don't think he did any I think he told me
Speaker 2: some stories. Again. This was like right before the pandem,
Speaker 2: you know how like everything like you know how like
Speaker 2: really good stuff happened, like the leading you know, the
Speaker 2: last few months right before.
Speaker 1: Oh of course, just yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: God, did you interact with him ever?
Speaker 1: Never? I don't smoke weed, but I know a thing
Speaker 1: people say is like dream blunt rotation Chris Fleming and
Speaker 1: the television psychic Chris Fleming.
Speaker 2: Dream mohito rotations sometimes too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is iconic. I actually really like him because
Speaker 1: he's on this show that I watch called How My
Speaker 1: House Is Haunted?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a.
Speaker 1: Ton of TV shows and he's great.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, he's so good.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: I thought that's who we had booked today, so I know,
Speaker 2: I know I could see in your eyes when I
Speaker 2: popped up.
Speaker 1: So that's all I've prepared, So I hope it's okay.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to continue with everything I've prepared.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's totally cool. I'm just going to paint my nails.
Speaker 1: When did you know you were a psychic?
Speaker 2: Is my first question.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's all I have prepared. Yeah, I do,
Speaker 1: I do have something prepared. Chris fl kindergarten, kindergarten, that question,
Speaker 1: Thank you, Chris Fleming the psychic related I do. I
Speaker 1: do have an article I found about your friend. This
Speaker 1: might be uncomfortable because now I know he's your friend.
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of his.
Speaker 2: Oh no, he is he being dragged? No?
Speaker 1: Not actually no, it's actually just like kind of a
Speaker 1: weird funny story. I guess. It says psychic. This is
Speaker 1: from Daily Record dot co dot uk. It says psychic.
Speaker 1: Chris Fleming claims that a ghost violated him on Haunted
Speaker 1: Scott's prison visit. So he was he do you know
Speaker 1: about this?
Speaker 2: I do know about this.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that I'm laughing.
Speaker 2: No, it's fine, it's fine. He shared something that I
Speaker 2: saw that we never talked about it or anything. I
Speaker 2: just saw him say that he was violated by a ghost.
Speaker 1: Listen, I don't I'm not trying to laugh at at
Speaker 1: a very serious thing. But yes, I just have never
Speaker 1: heard anything like this. So he was at this jail
Speaker 1: and he was in a room where they would do
Speaker 1: medical exams on the prisoners, and he felt like somebody
Speaker 1: was giving him a prostate exam.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, So it was a ghost doctor. So
Speaker 2: it wasn't a malicious thing. It was just like the
Speaker 2: ghost doctor was.
Speaker 1: Like next, yeah, and then it says this is his quote.
Speaker 1: We were in the room listening to a guide telling
Speaker 1: their story, and when all of a sudden, I had
Speaker 1: this feeling that I can only equate to what it
Speaker 1: feels like for a man to get a prostate exam.
Speaker 1: You see a doctor who puts a glove on and
Speaker 1: does the exam. That's exactly what this felt like. There
Speaker 1: are times when people have been sexually violated by demonic entities.
Speaker 1: That obviously popped into my head. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: that's what this was. It wasn't. I think it was
Speaker 1: more to do with the prisoners, what they went through
Speaker 1: when they were there having these medical exams.
Speaker 2: So ghosts can go through pants, I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get. You know, some can walk through walls
Speaker 1: and stuff.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, so a little you know, a little denim
Speaker 2: isn't going to keep a good ghost back.
Speaker 1: I guess not.
Speaker 2: So. Yeah, So he was with a group, and this happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said. The guide ended up telling us that
Speaker 1: they used to do tests like that, practology exams in
Speaker 1: that room, which I hadn't known. The question is whether
Speaker 1: the spirit was actually doing that to me or if
Speaker 1: it was residual energy. I was picking up from what
Speaker 1: happened there.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Yeah, when you first said residual energy, I
Speaker 2: thought it meant like residual like Hetty recently had a
Speaker 2: colon you know, maybe you know, like a phantom pain
Speaker 2: of a recent colonoscopy.
Speaker 1: Oh. Interesting, the wild.
Speaker 2: The wild thing about like I am. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: a massive believer in ghosts, but I I'm not like
Speaker 2: a viewer of these shows. When I met him, though,
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, this is a genuine this is this,
Speaker 2: This reads very genuine to me. Yeah, this seems like
Speaker 2: this doesn't seem like a snake oil salesman very much,
Speaker 2: very much experiencing this and just has you know, kind
Speaker 2: of more transparent boundary I guess to the spirit world
Speaker 2: than than than I do.
Speaker 1: I believe him, I really do. He's on a lot
Speaker 1: of different TV shows. Some of the other shows that
Speaker 1: this guy has been on is Dead Famous Psychic Kids, yea,
Speaker 1: and a bunch of different like Haunted Scotland.
Speaker 2: Like he's constantly and I get fan mail for the
Speaker 2: you know, do you not? Not sorry, not like not
Speaker 2: snail mail, but like fan messages, but then I have
Speaker 2: to give them to him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So tell me your thoughts on ghosts. You say you're
Speaker 1: a big believer.
Speaker 2: Oh, big time. Yeah. No, I've been so afraid my
Speaker 2: whole life. I mean, I'm a I When I was young,
Speaker 2: especially I was you know, I was the kids sprinting
Speaker 2: into my every time the life would go out, I
Speaker 2: would sprint down the hallway into my parents' bedroom. You know.
Speaker 2: Just I'm I still this day. I'm a shower curtain
Speaker 2: puller and you know, to see what's in there. You know,
Speaker 2: you know this. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like if it's shot and you go in
Speaker 1: the bathroom.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I'm always pulling it back a shower curtain back.
Speaker 2: I never and I'm always expecting well, either either a
Speaker 2: ghost or like even work no, a ghost. Worst case scenario.
Speaker 2: Second worst case scenario is like the guy from the
Speaker 2: sixth Sense.
Speaker 1: Bruce Willis.
Speaker 2: It's like a guy in his tidy white he's in
Speaker 2: the beginning of the Sixth Sense and the show. It's
Speaker 2: like a it's a worst case scenario. It's how the
Speaker 2: sixth you remember that. That's like the most horrifying part
Speaker 2: of the sixth Sense. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, but anyway anyway, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: the Yeah, I'm a big, big believer in ghosts.
Speaker 1: Where do you think that comes from?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Why why did you always have that fear?
Speaker 2: It might be Catholicism?
Speaker 1: Ding ding ding. We mean like Peelee's playhouse, Like when
Speaker 1: you say the magic word or whatever, because.
Speaker 2: A bucket of water falls on me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that always a bucket of holy water comes out
Speaker 1: big slop falls on me. Yeah, constantly that word comes
Speaker 1: up on this podcast. It's the catholicism' that's what did
Speaker 1: it for me.
Speaker 2: Oh that's how you got hooked. I think so, But
Speaker 2: my family isn't. I might just be more cowardly, you know,
Speaker 2: than the rest of my family. But like, I don't
Speaker 2: think this is an affliction that most of my immediate
Speaker 2: family has. I've just never I'm sure of it. Like
Speaker 2: I'm sure of aliens, I'm sure of ghosts, and I'm
Speaker 2: sure I'm sure of all of it. I think it's
Speaker 2: I think it's a certainty.
Speaker 1: Have you had experiences.
Speaker 2: No, no, No, It's like it's the same thing with cocaine.
Speaker 2: You know, like no one invites me, the ghosts don't
Speaker 2: want anything to do with me, but I know they're there.
Speaker 2: And people people that do cocaine. They never invite me
Speaker 2: to do cocaine, but I know they're doing it sometimes.
Speaker 2: You know, it's that kind of thing. You ever been
Speaker 2: invited to do cocaine with people?
Speaker 1: Have I? Yeah, Oh honey, I'm eight and a half
Speaker 1: year or sober. The problem was I got too many invites.
Speaker 2: You what is the vibe that you give off that site,
Speaker 2: like where that's like oh yeah, yeah, that's let's let's
Speaker 2: bring him in the bathroom.
Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting because you know, I've never I've literally never,
Speaker 1: I've never been aware.
Speaker 2: Till after the fact, I'm like, oh they were Oh
Speaker 2: that was coke.
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh that's totally a thing where You're like, wait
Speaker 1: this whole time and now I'm so far out of
Speaker 1: drugs or alcohol that I don't even think about it.
Speaker 1: And sometimes I'm like, God, that person was so annoying
Speaker 1: they wouldn't stop talking. And then someone's like they were
Speaker 1: doing coke the whole time. Yeah, but it's interesting that
Speaker 1: you bring up like the vibe, because I actually I
Speaker 1: think that vibes are a part of this conversation, Like
Speaker 1: the vibe that you give off that attracts things to you,
Speaker 1: Like that's one of the things where you can't physically
Speaker 1: see something, but it's like it's an energy coming off
Speaker 1: of something, like it it is paranormally or you know.
Speaker 1: Along this conversation, I think, yeah, and I used to
Speaker 1: have a cocaine vibe and now I don't.
Speaker 2: So do you have a ghost vibe?
Speaker 1: You know? I don't know. I really don't. I'm very
Speaker 1: skeptical of the paranormal. I believe it's all one hundred
Speaker 1: percent possible. I think anything is possible. I just don't
Speaker 1: think everything is a ghost.
Speaker 2: I agree. I agree with you. I don't think anything's agost.
Speaker 1: I want to, yeah, but I don't know ways think
Speaker 1: that that's the case.
Speaker 2: So I think ghosts know that I would freak out
Speaker 2: too much if they if they came at me.
Speaker 1: Well, that's nice of them, because if I was a ghost,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, watch this, this can be fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can't take it, so let's give it to. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I would go, I go full catatonic.
Speaker 1: But didn't you tell me that you had like a
Speaker 1: sleep paralysis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah I did. I mean, I it's slowed down
Speaker 2: in recent years, but I used to be like a
Speaker 2: nightly sleepwalker.
Speaker 1: That's so scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. My dad does it every night. He
Speaker 2: like screams the top of his lung. Like he has
Speaker 2: like more geopolitical based night terrors where like he's like
Speaker 2: at war with some with some nation, you know, like
Speaker 2: he's like on the front line, and like he's yeah,
Speaker 2: every single night, and it's just clearly just like unchecked anxiety.
Speaker 2: And I just just when I acknowledge that I have anxiety,
Speaker 2: the sleepwalking kind of diminished. It no longer became like
Speaker 2: a because I think it's just a way for it to,
Speaker 2: you know that, for to squeak out at night. Yeah. No,
Speaker 2: I had one sleep paralysis situation and when I was
Speaker 2: like probably pre kindergarten pre k and it was when
Speaker 2: I right around there and I became a psychic, and
Speaker 2: it's have you had sleep paralysis now?
Speaker 1: And I'm terrified.
Speaker 2: I have not since And it's so strange. It exists
Speaker 2: as like a memory for me like like it's not
Speaker 2: in the dream space. It's like, oh, yeah, that's just
Speaker 2: something that went down. But it was the strangest so
Speaker 2: it's like you want to hear about it, yes, give
Speaker 2: it to us. It was me on my family from couch.
Speaker 2: I was super young and this is pre kindergarten and
Speaker 2: my mom is doing laundry right behind me, and I
Speaker 2: was watching I want to say, Eureka's Castle, and Eureka's
Speaker 2: Castle went it went like fuzzy fuzzy, you know, and
Speaker 2: I started getting at like security camera footage but from
Speaker 2: a space. So it's like it's like these aliens, right,
Speaker 2: and it's but it's like these it would cut to
Speaker 2: different cameras. And this is before I'd seen any sci
Speaker 2: fi or anything, so this is just like maybe the
Speaker 2: collective uncontent maybe I don't know, keep going. And so
Speaker 2: I'm seeing these like aliens and they're walking slowly closer
Speaker 2: and closer, and it's like these cloaked things with like
Speaker 2: these little red eyes in the center of their faces
Speaker 2: and they're walking like closer and closer to two camera
Speaker 2: very slowly, and it keeps like cutting to different parts
Speaker 2: of whatever this planet is, which it just looks like
Speaker 2: kind of like a like a abandoned like home depot. Right,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm I'm so scared. I'm so scared that
Speaker 2: they're just coming closer. And I can't remember if they
Speaker 2: actually come out of the TV. I don't think they
Speaker 2: even do. But just them approaching me is to this
Speaker 2: day like one of the most terrifying things. And I
Speaker 2: can't move, can't speak, and like it was different from
Speaker 2: those nightmares where you can't move, can't speak. It's just
Speaker 2: like it. It feels experiential, like an experience where I
Speaker 2: couldn't move or speak and uh, yeah, that was it.
Speaker 2: And then that was it. I just God and my
Speaker 2: Mom's behind me doing laundry the whole time.
Speaker 1: Do you think you were abducted by aliens?
Speaker 2: No, they don't, I don't. I do think it was
Speaker 2: sleep paralysis, because I've read about I mean, who knows.
Speaker 2: People say the same thing that it's like this happened
Speaker 2: like and I would I would tell you, like, this
Speaker 2: is not a this was not a dream, this was
Speaker 2: an experience, and so maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1: Thing I always say bout sleep proalysis. I think both
Speaker 1: things can be true, that it could be some kind
Speaker 1: of thing that happens to the human body. But it
Speaker 1: could also be a paranormal Some people think demon visits,
Speaker 1: alien visits. I don't know, but I think both could
Speaker 1: happen at the same time.
Speaker 2: Oh god, you think it may have been a demon visit. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 2: I mean, what a perfect to interact with a child,
Speaker 2: you know, if you're going, like, if you're gonna.
Speaker 1: Do it, I mean, that's so demonic.
Speaker 2: Because they're not gonna you know, I don't think I
Speaker 2: had the words to really explain what went down.
Speaker 1: Wow, you should go to a hypnotist and have that.
Speaker 2: I have, I have, but I've never but that's never
Speaker 2: come up. Yeah. Wow, my friend, my friend was a
Speaker 2: hypnotherapist for a while. He was really good.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I made that is a scary story.
Speaker 2: It was so scary. It was so freaking scary. It
Speaker 2: was it was crazy. It's like when you're like four,
Speaker 2: maybe three or four. I didn't start talking to that
Speaker 2: was three either, So like I had like six words
Speaker 2: to my name. You know.
Speaker 1: Well, you reminded me of some trauma that I have.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry, I hate to do that.
Speaker 1: No, it's okay. When I was young, Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: a fan of Eureka's Castle. This TV show. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: anyone doesn't know, it was like puppets. It took place
Speaker 1: in a castle. I don't remember.
Speaker 2: Well, so few things that are not Jim Henson puppets, yeah,
Speaker 2: or ever made, and so to see puppets that aren't
Speaker 2: Jim Henson is one of the one of the most
Speaker 2: media thrilling experiences I've had.
Speaker 1: Well cut to me in Universal Studios, Florida on vacation. Oh,
Speaker 1: they say, oh, We're going to show you where they
Speaker 1: make Eureka's Castle, and so I peek in and I
Speaker 1: see Eureka with her head hanging off.
Speaker 2: Oh no, oh no, And they're like, there's like a
Speaker 2: soldering eye, there's a guy with guys with welding helmets on,
Speaker 2: and yeah, yeah, that you don't want to see that.
Speaker 2: You don't want to see how that sausage is made
Speaker 2: when you're a child.
Speaker 1: I saw how Eureka's sausage was made, and it really
Speaker 1: messed me up.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm glad to meet at least
Speaker 2: another supporter of Eureka. And then there's not a lot
Speaker 2: of us out there that did you continue to be
Speaker 2: a supporter even after you saw that.
Speaker 1: I think I did, but I never looked at her
Speaker 1: the same again, m hm. I knew that there was
Speaker 1: a man with his hand under her dress the whole
Speaker 1: time after that. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Before there was definitely a man that the dragon was
Speaker 2: definitely just a guy, a guy walking right, because that
Speaker 2: thing was like at least six six or seven feet tall.
Speaker 2: Probably Magellan, great character.
Speaker 1: Speaking of dragon like creatures, I did a little bit
Speaker 1: of research and I want to tell you about a
Speaker 1: cryptid creature. How do you feel about these cryptids?
Speaker 2: Oh? Love them, love them?
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite cryptid?
Speaker 2: Is the haunted horseman considered a cryptis? Oh?
Speaker 1: Interesting headless horse. No, that's more of a ghost story.
Speaker 2: I sort of a ghost story. I mean, I guess
Speaker 2: cryptids what like Bigfoot and all that stuff. I don't
Speaker 2: know enough enough. I just love when they're all when
Speaker 2: they're all lanky, when they're moving fast right right. Well,
Speaker 2: I like an urban cryptid, like someone that you see
Speaker 2: on like the roof of a of like a skyscraper
Speaker 2: and Cleveland. You know that that's the most that's the
Speaker 2: most fun. When there's like when there's like a crypton
Speaker 2: on top of the rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: That's something I can get behind.
Speaker 1: Has that happened?
Speaker 2: No, I don't think yet. But there are urban cryptives.
Speaker 2: I do know that, okay, and I assume that's what
Speaker 2: it means.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's you'll hear sometimes about like these creatures that
Speaker 1: live under the city and.
Speaker 2: A guy working at the cheesecake factory.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well here's one that is that comes from
Speaker 1: the South. And I mean, if you didn't believe in
Speaker 1: cryptis before, this one will do it for you. This
Speaker 1: is the story of the Lizard Man of Scape or swamp.
Speaker 2: Yep, lay it on me.
Speaker 1: Okay. So most of my research comes from discovers South
Speaker 1: Carolina dot com and also South Carolina Public Radio dot org.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean most of your research in general comes
Speaker 2: for everything. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So this story it took place just outside of Bishopville,
Speaker 1: South Carolina, in an area called Browntown.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been the middle schools? Name this town?
Speaker 2: All right, we'll give you one name like the middle
Speaker 2: school does. Well, okay, you know, well in your task
Speaker 2: you can name one town town.
Speaker 1: It's not even like I no, I don't know if
Speaker 1: they say it like Brownton or something, but it's special.
Speaker 2: They do Browntown one, sure, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So I think I've been to Browntown. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: I mean it's twenty twenty three. I hope you've been
Speaker 2: to Browntown at.
Speaker 1: Least once in your life. You gotta go to Browntown.
Speaker 1: So in nineteen eighty seven, from my research, the first
Speaker 1: known sighting was by a cyclist who was out some
Speaker 1: exercise and they pulled over to a natural well to
Speaker 1: have a drink of water and smoke a cigarette, and
Speaker 1: they look up and they see a large humanoid figure
Speaker 1: across the street. But probably like the most famous sighting.
Speaker 2: It could just be a mix of like doing something
Speaker 2: so good for your body and then something is so
Speaker 2: bad for your body that it just kind of creates,
Speaker 2: like drinking from a natural spring and then smoking hitting
Speaker 2: the cigy some kind of hallucination. It's gonna make you
Speaker 2: see a crypt it's gonna make you see like a
Speaker 2: guy made out of radishes, kind of running in like
Speaker 2: an aeropostyle hat sprinting, sprinting down the street at forty
Speaker 2: five hours per hour. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't trust
Speaker 2: biking bikers. I don't trust CycL cyclic I'm like, that
Speaker 2: is one thing where I understand, like the grumpy old
Speaker 2: man thing of like.
Speaker 1: Get out of the street, that kind of thing. Yeah, guys,
Speaker 1: but I mean they're helping the environment unless they're smoking.
Speaker 2: They're helping him. Yeah, unless they're smoking. Okay, Okay, what's
Speaker 2: the what's the other what's the other brown town sighting?
Speaker 1: Oh? This other one. This was the early hours of
Speaker 1: June twenty ninth, nineteen eighty eight. A seventeen year old
Speaker 1: boy named Christopher Davis was driving home from.
Speaker 2: Work beautiful name near scape.
Speaker 1: Or swamp when he blows a tire. He goes out
Speaker 1: to fix it and he hears someone running toward him.
Speaker 1: He sees a creature with red eyes, scaly skin, long
Speaker 1: black claws with three fingers, around seven feet tall that
Speaker 1: appeared wet. He jumps into his car for safety, and
Speaker 1: the lizard man attacks his car, ripping off the mirror
Speaker 1: and tearing up the roof. Oh now, honestly, I think
Speaker 1: I think he just fucked up his car and needed
Speaker 1: a good story, or he got caught cheating. And he
Speaker 1: was dating a young Carrie Underwood, and she dug the
Speaker 1: key into the.
Speaker 2: Side and yeah, took the bat to the right.
Speaker 1: But to give it a little bit more validity. He
Speaker 1: did do a sketch that he presented I believe to
Speaker 1: police and gehaw, could you throw up this sketch for
Speaker 1: anybody listening. You can, I'll post this on our Instagram
Speaker 1: at ghosted by Roz There it is. This is the photo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a I was buying it until I saw
Speaker 2: the sketch. Now, he might just be a horrible artist,
Speaker 2: but yeah, if you gave me ten seconds to bullshit ENCRYPTID,
Speaker 2: this is what I would This is what I would do.
Speaker 2: That's another thing is like, you know, it's like it's
Speaker 2: like movies with aliens, Like why can't an alien just
Speaker 2: be like a cube once in a while? Like why
Speaker 2: does it always just look like like that?
Speaker 1: Because it's what they really look like.
Speaker 2: No, you're right that You're okay, So that makes me more.
Speaker 1: I think it helps the case that they always look
Speaker 1: the same.
Speaker 2: That is a really good point. That is a really
Speaker 2: good point.
Speaker 1: Picture it looks kind of like an alien. He forgot
Speaker 1: to draw the feet. Yeah, you know, it's not a
Speaker 1: great drip.
Speaker 2: Maybe he didn't see the feet. He probably didn't see
Speaker 2: the feet. Oh I don't really unless he's a fook guy.
Speaker 2: He's not going to be you know, glancing at the
Speaker 2: at those dogs right right, He's going to be looking
Speaker 2: more at the claws and more at you know, the scales.
Speaker 2: And you know what sold for me the fact that
Speaker 2: it was wet, because unless this guy was like a
Speaker 2: creative writing major, you know, at like U Dubs or
Speaker 2: something like, he's not going to come up with that.
Speaker 2: He's not going to be thrown around wet. This is
Speaker 2: just this is just a civilian in Brown Town. So
Speaker 2: I completely And the fact that his car was you
Speaker 2: say it was scratched up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was legitimately like it looked like it was
Speaker 1: trying to get into the roof of the car, like
Speaker 1: smashing it in.
Speaker 2: So unless he went driving through the briar patch, you know,
Speaker 2: I I believe that this wait was it say underneath
Speaker 2: the pie it.
Speaker 1: Says the picture of what attacked attack Christopher Davis, and
Speaker 1: then Christopher Davis signed it.
Speaker 2: And then he signs it it's beautiful, beautiful signature.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's really a great piece here. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you know, he also could have maybe flipped his car
Speaker 1: and that's why the ceiling or the.
Speaker 2: Roof was looked like a lizard had gotten to it.
Speaker 1: But okay, so anyway.
Speaker 2: So a crypto. The difference between a cryptid and a
Speaker 2: ghost is cryptids are on our like they're they're like
Speaker 2: matter right that They're like you could you could hold
Speaker 2: onto a cryptid. You could share a bed with a cryptid.
Speaker 1: You could. But nobody ever has.
Speaker 2: The Grimace is a cryptid and.
Speaker 1: Is a great cryptis.
Speaker 2: Yes, the rest of the gang are paranormal.
Speaker 1: Although Grimace has been captured on film many times and
Speaker 1: most of these have not. Okay, right, right, right right,
Speaker 1: But listen, because I am somebody with a very open mind,
Speaker 1: I do like to entertain the thought that these magical
Speaker 1: creatures are not just like animals that haven't been discovered.
Speaker 1: They can go invisible like a ghost, or they can
Speaker 1: teleport to another plant. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: They have like incredible vertical leap where you don't even
Speaker 2: have to run, like you could.
Speaker 1: Just whatever it is, it is very superhuman and beyond
Speaker 1: our comprehension.
Speaker 2: Some of my fan base has described me as as
Speaker 2: a as a cryptid.
Speaker 1: Okay, so back to the story. Two weeks crypt Two
Speaker 1: weeks after the incident with Christopher, a report of a
Speaker 1: car parked at a home had its fender ripped off.
Speaker 1: It looked like it was chewed off.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 1: The antenna was bent, remember antennas on cars. There were
Speaker 1: deep scratches in the car and the chrome trim also
Speaker 1: appeared to be chewed off.
Speaker 2: Suspicious Oh completely, So this is this is a car
Speaker 2: scratch encryptid in chewing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't really know what its motivations are.
Speaker 1: Maybe it eats cars like I. Honestly, I don't know
Speaker 1: he or she is a car eater. Well that's the thing.
Speaker 1: They do, call it the lizard man. And I know
Speaker 1: it was a different time, but couldn't he have stopped
Speaker 1: and asked the pronouns?
Speaker 2: Honestly, the behavior is pretty male what you're describing. I
Speaker 2: think that, you know, eat eating a fender.
Speaker 1: One of the most masculine things I've ever heard.
Speaker 2: Actually me too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's very, very,
Speaker 2: very mask So I assume the Yeah, I understand the assumption.
Speaker 1: That same summer there was many cars or many calls
Speaker 1: that were made of cars being attacked, and police apparently
Speaker 1: made a plaster mold of a three toed footprint. Okay,
Speaker 1: and then the summer ended and it was done. It
Speaker 1: was that was it. And over the years there was
Speaker 1: a few little reports here and there. But then in
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, a woman took a photo that she claimed
Speaker 1: was the lizard Man here we go, on her way
Speaker 1: home from church on her cell phone. Jiha, can you
Speaker 1: pull up this picture? This will also be on our
Speaker 1: Instagram under episode stuff, which is a story highlight on
Speaker 1: the page there.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: This woman, Sarah believes that she had captured the lizard
Speaker 1: Man of what is it? Swamp snake or swamp what's
Speaker 1: it called.
Speaker 2: I went to a Halloween party and there was a
Speaker 2: nice older gay couple there that just moved to town
Speaker 2: from Houston, and one of them was wearing this, I'm
Speaker 2: telling you, was this is exactly the costume that this
Speaker 2: man was wearing at this Halloween party. Yeah, like a
Speaker 2: ripped like a slee stack, like a ripped slee stack.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe it's the thing he does. Maybe maybe he
Speaker 1: was in Brown Town. Maybe this older gay man was
Speaker 1: he older? Did I just make that part up?
Speaker 2: No? No, no, yeah he was, he was. This is
Speaker 2: so funny, this picture. This is like because there's no
Speaker 2: way in hell that that this scrypt it is going
Speaker 2: is moving through the world not being perfectly photographed and
Speaker 2: felt like this is so this This lizard is completely yoked.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it is so buff.
Speaker 2: He has no he's so buffed that he has no
Speaker 2: flexibility in his neck, so his face is pointing forward
Speaker 2: at all times. He can barely move his upper body.
Speaker 2: This there's no way this guy is escaping any camera
Speaker 2: in the modern age.
Speaker 1: He looks like he would eat chrome fenders.
Speaker 2: See that's true. He does look like he lives off
Speaker 2: of subsists off of Mazda offenders and Honda Cord. It
Speaker 2: does look like he needs that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So oh and anyone that's just listening, it's basically
Speaker 1: just a very buff looking I mean it looks like
Speaker 1: it's from It looks like it's from like a nineties
Speaker 1: Land of the Loss Power Rangers or yeah, exactly some
Speaker 1: kind of man in a suit situation or was it real?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, this is certainly like you could rent this costume
Speaker 2: from a party city in the Midwest, you know, this
Speaker 2: is this is this is like it. But but why
Speaker 2: would they have it? Why would this costume exist? I
Speaker 2: guess it's But what.
Speaker 1: Is strange is that a day earlier there was a
Speaker 1: man that also reported seeing what look like an alligator
Speaker 1: with a short nose and long legs scampering in the area.
Speaker 2: This would be a good opportunity to make like a
Speaker 2: that was my ex wife kind of a joke. Oh,
Speaker 2: it was my ex wife and town.
Speaker 1: Sounds like my mother in law.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't want to do that, but I wish.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you just have to. It's just part of the rules.
Speaker 2: A third person could do that. Isn't this interesting about?
Speaker 2: Like this is funny? This image is funny because the
Speaker 2: lizard is jacked. Why is it scarier if something is skinny?
Speaker 2: Like why this lizard could do more damage than a
Speaker 2: skinny like more physical harm most likely than a skinny thing,
Speaker 2: but a skinny thing does more psychological creates, more a
Speaker 2: climate of fear for me. What's that all about?
Speaker 1: Oh, isn't that interesting? Maybe because it's closer to a
Speaker 1: skeleton and skeletons are scary.
Speaker 2: Hmmm mm hmmm. And maybe now like in the modern age,
Speaker 2: like very few of us have like actually, like we're
Speaker 2: not really afraid of predators, you know, like like the
Speaker 2: size of something doesn't really I mean like I mean,
Speaker 2: like a t rex or something. When I say predator,
Speaker 2: I don't mean like, of course there's predators, but I
Speaker 2: mean like a I mean like a like a vicious
Speaker 2: something large that could do damage. It's almost like something
Speaker 2: skinny like getting in your chimney or something is almost worse.
Speaker 1: I don't know, right, Yeah, I don't know. It's like
Speaker 1: there's something just so creepy about like a slender man
Speaker 1: or something right right, right, because it seems like it
Speaker 1: has powers or something. And this just looks like some
Speaker 1: like super buff, agro looking guy like, oh, shut up, Like.
Speaker 2: Like maybe it's right, like this guy would he would
Speaker 2: find a community, you know, maybe there's something scarier about
Speaker 2: like a giant, skinny thing in the woods. Like what's
Speaker 2: he up to? Like he this guy is going to
Speaker 2: go to the Equinox and exchange numbers on Bay one
Speaker 2: with some guys. Oh you know for sure, the skinny
Speaker 2: one who's seven foot tall in the woods, that's going
Speaker 2: to be that's going to be maybe a longer journey to.
Speaker 2: So that's someone that that's kind of scarier. What's he
Speaker 2: up to?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are you doing out there? It's like a yeah,
Speaker 1: weird emo teenager exactly. I get that, well, okay.
Speaker 2: So the lizard Man of Swamps, the Lizard Gabe or
Speaker 2: swamp Scape or swamp yeah from brown Town.
Speaker 1: Okay, we do a segment here. I love that on
Speaker 1: the show where I like to look up dolls that
Speaker 1: are currently being sold on eBay, great that are allegedly haunted. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's time for a segment I like to call the
Speaker 1: dolls are living?
Speaker 2: Does that make them cheaper or more expensive?
Speaker 1: Well, listen, I've seen thousands in my day, and to
Speaker 1: me personally, when they're cheaper, it seems more legit. But
Speaker 1: I don't know they I've seen them for literally fifty thousand.
Speaker 1: I've seen them for one dollar, so they really run
Speaker 1: the whole gamut.
Speaker 2: But if it's haunted by a nuisance, you know that's
Speaker 2: going to be the dollar. If it's haunted by you
Speaker 2: would think fdr Okay.
Speaker 1: You would think yes, yeah, there is which reminds me.
Speaker 1: I forget if we've ever talked about this on the
Speaker 1: TV show or on the podcast. There is a TV
Speaker 1: commercial from the eighties that's one of those like one
Speaker 1: eight hundred psychic commercials, and it's to find out what
Speaker 1: celebrity is in your pet. No, this is like pre
Speaker 1: miss Cleo. But it's specifically to find out what celebrities
Speaker 1: are in your pets, and.
Speaker 2: Because as we know, every pet is a is a
Speaker 2: composite of different celebrities.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like which historical figure is inside of your
Speaker 1: pet as a ghost?
Speaker 2: Which?
Speaker 1: I want that job so bad?
Speaker 2: Every Chua is Genghis Khan. Obviously I would sew.
Speaker 1: I would look at someone's ferret and be like Lizzy Borden,
Speaker 1: all right, next.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm afraid I'd see Eisenhower and every in every
Speaker 2: animal and then and then they'd be like, I don't
Speaker 2: go to don't go to Chris. He just thinks everyone
Speaker 2: he sees.
Speaker 1: I still get paid either way.
Speaker 2: He just says ike Ike is on every one of them.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So this haunted doll is not no famous
Speaker 1: historic figures that we know of. Gee, how can you
Speaker 1: pull up this doll for us? Please meet Corey?
Speaker 2: Hi, Corey.
Speaker 1: Corey has sort of a clown costume on and is
Speaker 1: like an anthropomorphic cat. Yes, doll.
Speaker 2: If Cats was this, it would have been a box
Speaker 2: office success. It actually would have survived. People would have
Speaker 2: broken quarantine to see this.
Speaker 1: You know, seriously, circus cats, they really missed out.
Speaker 2: This is so good.
Speaker 1: Now Corey is very popular. Corey has got sixteen bids
Speaker 1: and forty one dollars is currently what we're at right now,
Speaker 1: So they're.
Speaker 2: Really there's people that seems fair.
Speaker 1: These people are interested in Corey, but they don't want
Speaker 1: to spend too much money. So I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of thirty five dollars, how about thirty six dollars,
Speaker 1: how about thirty seven whatever? These people they're going crazy
Speaker 1: for Corey.
Speaker 2: Corey is definitely haunted by a guy that just wants
Speaker 2: to hang out all the time. You know, that's a
Speaker 2: guy that's going to want to watch a movie with
Speaker 2: you and watch and laugh while looking at you directly.
Speaker 2: What's interesting to make you laugh?
Speaker 1: Interesting that you say this? Because Corey comes with a biography,
Speaker 1: it's kind of a long one. I don't have time
Speaker 1: for all of this.
Speaker 2: But I got time, okay.
Speaker 1: It says meet Corey. He came in my possession when
Speaker 1: a friend of mine who started collecting Haunted vessel items,
Speaker 1: she got Corey actually from a good will. She would
Speaker 1: tell me all about Corey and the stuff that he
Speaker 1: would do, and she couldn't handle him anymore. And I
Speaker 1: told her. I have never come across a vessel that
Speaker 1: I could not tolerate. Well, I guess this was the
Speaker 1: first one. Whoever gets Corey has to be someone who
Speaker 1: can tolerate his obnoxious self.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Corey.
Speaker 1: Loves to cuss you out. You could say he has
Speaker 1: a very potty mouth.
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, so Corey's just Corey's just talking.
Speaker 1: I guess. So Corey is a unique vessel. Not only
Speaker 1: does he get my other vessels going.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, sometimes he just won't stop get my
Speaker 2: other vessels going. Cory's got my other vessels going.
Speaker 1: Just doesn't sound like what I think this person means.
Speaker 2: To say, No, sounds like a rolling stone.
Speaker 1: So let me tell you a little bit about Corey.
Speaker 2: So, Cory, you walk by, Corey's just.
Speaker 1: Like fuck you think? So, you stupid fucking bitch, You suck?
Speaker 2: What are you even doing?
Speaker 1: So let me tell you a little bit about Corey.
Speaker 1: He knows how to leave his vessel and move into
Speaker 1: other things.
Speaker 2: He also, why are people gonna buy this?
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm wondering. First of all, how can
Speaker 1: you sell this? Because like, why wouldn't Corey get out
Speaker 1: of the vessel before you sell it? And stay and
Speaker 1: be inside of a Kleenex box or something.
Speaker 2: How can on proof of purchase? How do you know
Speaker 2: Corey's in there exactly? Keep your repeat. You need to
Speaker 2: scan to make sure. There needs to be some kind
Speaker 2: of test to make sure Corey is in there before
Speaker 2: you're right, because you could just be buying buying Corey's vessel.
Speaker 1: I think my suggestion would be you get when you
Speaker 1: when Corey arrives, start cussing it out and see if
Speaker 1: you get any replies.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah. Otherwise, Corey's probably in a parking meter outside
Speaker 2: the original house. You know, the real Corey you know
Speaker 2: of Cory's just taking different vessels.
Speaker 1: It says he knows how to actually leave your house
Speaker 1: and likes to make visit visits to your neighbors. If
Speaker 1: you have alcohol in your house, I suggest you keep
Speaker 1: it under lock and key. You always will know when
Speaker 1: Corey has gotten into your liquor cabinet. Ory's a boozer
Speaker 1: who you will know because your house will smell like alcohol,
Speaker 1: and believe it or not, if you pass by him,
Speaker 1: he will have a shitty looking grin on his face.
Speaker 1: When I first got Corey, even after everything my friend
Speaker 1: told me about him. He was very calm. Some of
Speaker 1: the stuff he looks.
Speaker 2: Corey looks sober to me.
Speaker 1: He did, yes, I think when this picture was taken.
Speaker 1: But you know this was before he got into the
Speaker 1: liquor cabinet. Okay, so it says I would hear this
Speaker 1: sounds like originally I would hear a cat meowing, scratching
Speaker 1: on the wall, and I would find loose hair on
Speaker 1: the floor. I didn't think anything of it at first.
Speaker 1: I treated Corey like he was a haunted vessel cat doll. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure.
Speaker 2: It seems reasonable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you would think he was a cat.
Speaker 2: That's how I would treat Corey too.
Speaker 1: You would think he was a cat. Until one night,
Speaker 1: out of the blue, he was sitting on my shelf
Speaker 1: and I saw a shadow behind him on the wall,
Speaker 1: as clear as day. It was a man silhouette. I
Speaker 1: tried to ask Corey why did he pick this vessel?
Speaker 1: And he never said nothing. Corey is very active at night.
Speaker 1: There has been many times where he would leave our home.
Speaker 2: This is the pitch to buy Corey.
Speaker 1: Listen, this is there's so much more to it.
Speaker 2: Buy him. He's very active at ma.
Speaker 1: I can't I can't read all of this. It's too
Speaker 1: much and there's a lot of punctuation and spelling errors here.
Speaker 2: But so there's sixteen, at least sixty people that are
Speaker 2: interested after reading this. They're saying, sign me up for this.
Speaker 1: Oh there's people that are like, I like a cocktail
Speaker 1: and I got a potty mouth. Give me Corey. One
Speaker 1: thing I will say in here. It says he likes
Speaker 1: to open lights and when you watch TV, to flicker
Speaker 1: the lights on and off. He makes your TV go
Speaker 1: out every now and then, and then your cell phones
Speaker 1: can ring in the middle of the night. When you
Speaker 1: answer it, you hear a laugh.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, so he has Verizon access. I do
Speaker 2: not want this in my life. I feel even I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm even too close to Corey right now,
Speaker 2: Like we're having a laugh about Corey. If I get
Speaker 2: a call in the middle of the night, I am
Speaker 2: going to be so he drunk dials. Yo, Yeah, Corey's
Speaker 2: gonna Actually I think I did do a couple of
Speaker 2: shows with Corey at the Allsion one now that I'm
Speaker 2: looking at him, Yeah, he's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah he's the oldest of old comedians.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't even use the mic Oh.
Speaker 1: No, he doesn't need it. Okay, let's do another thing
Speaker 1: we do every week on this show. You want to
Speaker 1: hear some ghost voices? Yes, okay, it's time for ev
Speaker 1: or ev Plase have you ever heard the term EVP? No,
Speaker 1: this is one of these things that the the other
Speaker 1: Chris Fleming, who I thought we were booking, I would
Speaker 1: know all about. This is electronic voice assaulted by that question, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he would Okay, electronic voice phenomenal. So essentially this is
Speaker 1: something very popular on these ghost hunting shows, and it's basically,
Speaker 1: anytime somebody captures a ghost speaking.
Speaker 2: Is Grimes an EVP?
Speaker 1: Pretty much?
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, yeah, okay, Grinds is an EVP.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Grimes, I would say, uh classifies as.
Speaker 2: It's like an EVP that took the body of a Canadian,
Speaker 2: the way that Corey is now occupying a cat vessel
Speaker 2: a cat suit. Also, if Corey is a man, just
Speaker 2: like a ghost man, think about how demented he is.
Speaker 2: If he sees a cat doll wearing a clown suit
Speaker 2: and goes, this, this will be my home.
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah, I just sees this. It's like, yep,
Speaker 1: that's me.
Speaker 2: You see anything in the world. But then know that
Speaker 2: that is the rock.
Speaker 1: I actually, whoa, I just got an update from tmz
Speaker 1: Elon Musk is engaged to Corey the cat doll. It's
Speaker 1: his new wife.
Speaker 2: Oh my, oh my god. And the name of the
Speaker 2: baby is just a cell phone call them exactly. It's
Speaker 2: just fuck you.
Speaker 1: I'm Cory, fuck you wake up. So here's some ghost
Speaker 1: voices for you. Oh yeah, yeah this first one. Actually,
Speaker 1: both of these come from the same source, which is
Speaker 1: Worstly Paranormal group. They are in the UK and they
Speaker 1: posted a video with a couple of different EVPs. I
Speaker 1: think they're good and.
Speaker 2: I trust I don't think British people have time to lie,
Speaker 2: so I I really if they're British, I believe it.
Speaker 1: I do too, especially when it comes to ghost of
Speaker 1: because the ghosts are so old there. Ghosts have been
Speaker 1: a part of that culture for a long time. I
Speaker 1: just I don't know. I trust them. But this was
Speaker 1: taken at the John Ryland's Library in Manchester. Mm hmm,
Speaker 1: what is this ghost saying.
Speaker 2: Tells?
Speaker 1: Could you hear it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Can you play one more time? That's a ghost?
Speaker 2: Oh god, So that's like what like I just got
Speaker 2: a little shoulder shake.
Speaker 1: I mean, just think about this. They're recording, no one's talking,
Speaker 1: and then they play it back and they hear, Daisy,
Speaker 1: I'm I play it again.
Speaker 2: Test? Is she saying, like, trust something, trust test, try singing?
Speaker 2: Is that what you said?
Speaker 3: Totally try singing, try singing.
Speaker 1: Well, that's not what worst worstly paranormal group on YouTube believes.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you four options here. One of these
Speaker 1: is the answer that they believe. Is it a Traban?
Speaker 2: Oh god, a French like like that sounds like a
Speaker 2: French one on one student, Okay.
Speaker 1: Totally ninth grade French? Is it b Tracy Ane, Tracy Anne.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Maybe it's that ghost. It's great name.
Speaker 2: I love the name Tracy Tracy An. That would be
Speaker 2: like a Southern American ghost though, right Tracy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is kind of it is. Yeah, maybe Tracy
Speaker 1: An is from Browntown? Is it c try me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I don't know me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard try me? Yeah? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Wait one more? Is it d Maybe they like.
Speaker 2: Could be trusting may Okay, let's.
Speaker 1: Hear it again. You think that it's try me? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they believe it is Tracy Anne. Let me play it again.
Speaker 1: Now that we know that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I hear Southern twang now, yeah, so
Speaker 2: it sounds like a Southern head. That kind of like
Speaker 2: a s Do you hear that like a Southern ghost?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a Southern girl was on vacation in England,
Speaker 1: studying abroad. Oh my god, at the library and a
Speaker 1: book fell on hers.
Speaker 2: Are just the average, the average American Southerner just seeing
Speaker 2: all those books died instantly, just the idea of like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is too much knowledge. I'm I'm do ignorant for
Speaker 2: this just being in Yeah, their brain just completely aneurysm. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I buy that. Tracy a nasty gee.
Speaker 1: Well, bless your heart.
Speaker 2: How well do you think Tracy Ane is like nineteen twenty?
Speaker 1: I would say probably nineteen That sounds like a college kid.
Speaker 1: I'm TRACYE.
Speaker 2: That is so creepy oo I am.
Speaker 1: I'm here's another creepy one. I got one more for you.
Speaker 2: I'm so creeped out by that. Oh yeah, good good.
Speaker 2: I like being creeped.
Speaker 1: This is from the same group, and this is at
Speaker 1: a place called Melody Pop in Bolton. I think it's
Speaker 1: like a dance studio or something. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: was trying to.
Speaker 2: Google had a panera. This is from the chili's to go.
Speaker 2: This is the chili's where you park to pick up
Speaker 2: the food. Okay, all right?
Speaker 1: You know what, sometimes I hear stories about places like
Speaker 1: that being haunted.
Speaker 2: Why not totally? Totally?
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 2: Why not? Why not?
Speaker 1: Okay? What is this ghost saying? Okay, there's some going on.
Speaker 2: I can't handle that.
Speaker 1: I think is going off. And you can hear the
Speaker 1: beeps a couple of times.
Speaker 2: Oh, that is so scary because that sounds like an
Speaker 2: evil ghost Tracy, and at least is just like, how
Speaker 2: y'all doing this? Is? That sounds like we play it
Speaker 2: back again. Did I hear tits? A guy saying tits,
Speaker 2: show me your tits.
Speaker 1: I kind of hear tits in there as well.
Speaker 2: I think he's complimenting tits.
Speaker 1: Wait, let's play it again. Oh yeah, something about or No?
Speaker 2: I heard like, no, not the tits. I think it's
Speaker 2: what do you like most of bat her? Greg? No,
Speaker 2: he's like he's like he's like an old progressive no
Speaker 2: telling his friends. No, it's not about the tits. It's
Speaker 2: about that. It's about the mind. It's her, you know,
Speaker 2: I love her.
Speaker 1: That might be what it is I have some other options,
Speaker 1: but I like this. I like this ghost because all
Speaker 1: you hear about is ghost sticking their fingers on people's butts,
Speaker 1: and you know, yeah you hear ghost proctologists.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And to hear a ghost talk like that, I really
Speaker 1: appreciate that too. So that is not what they believe.
Speaker 1: Did they think it was a Hello, I'm in debt
Speaker 1: because I'm bad.
Speaker 2: He said, I'm in bed because I'm bad.
Speaker 1: I'm in debt because I'm bad. They just can't stop
Speaker 1: spending and budget properly.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm in debt because I'm bad. Oh
Speaker 2: my god. It's like it's like a red light district,
Speaker 2: like like with a financial kink. Oh my god. Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: Or it's like me when I get on eBay late
Speaker 1: at night looking at these damn haunted dolls and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, I need to get my life together and
Speaker 1: I need to stop spend. I don't spend money on
Speaker 1: haunted dolls, but my god, I'm just I will look
Speaker 1: at and I'm like, now I'm in dead because I'm Baye.
Speaker 2: But but there's like a there's like a financial kink
Speaker 2: to that, like you do the ghost the ghost saying
Speaker 2: that I'm in debt because I'm Oh my god, that's
Speaker 2: so creepy. Okay, okay, what's the next? Is it B.
Speaker 3: Hello?
Speaker 1: Isn't that Elizabeth? Is it C Hello? I'm a dead listener?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Or is it D Hello? Am I ted Lasso? Okay,
Speaker 1: it's one of those. I'm gonna play it again.
Speaker 2: I'm afraid it might be the ted Lesso.
Speaker 1: They believe it is. See Hello, I'm a dead listener.
Speaker 2: I'm a dead listener. Oh god, that is so scary.
Speaker 2: I'm a dead listener.
Speaker 1: Here we go.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he like cuts out on the l
Speaker 2: but like, yeah, I could totally see that. I mean
Speaker 2: it's a I mean, are ghosts that reductive about themselves?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: You know it's always a question like do they know
Speaker 1: they're dead? I think some do. Do they still like tits?
Speaker 2: It's like pretty on the nose thing to be, like,
Speaker 2: I'm a dead listener. That is so scary.
Speaker 1: Well let me tell you, speaking of tits, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was at a haunted strip club in Las Vegas on
Speaker 1: Oh the TV showing Mouncle Living for the Dad on
Speaker 1: Hulu in America, Disney Plus all around the world.
Speaker 2: Wait, Ron do you have. Okay, I need to see
Speaker 2: this TV. I'm sorry, I'm so behind the times. I
Speaker 2: need to see this show. It's okay, but that's so cool.
Speaker 2: You should totally check it out.
Speaker 1: But we went to this haunted strip club and at
Speaker 1: one point we were asking the ghosts like thine. We
Speaker 1: were asking like what do you like? And we heard
Speaker 1: through a machine tats and then it later, like a
Speaker 1: couple of seconds later, it was like ass and I
Speaker 1: swear to got this ghost at the Haunted strip Club
Speaker 1: love tits and ass.
Speaker 2: It's like what else is there? Though? You know, like
Speaker 2: that that's not if you're gonna ask a ghost of
Speaker 2: the strip club, how much more creative can they get?
Speaker 1: It's all they see all day. So yeah, it's sort
Speaker 1: of like when you're like jan Brady, like George Glass,
Speaker 1: Like she's like looking around and sees a glass glass.
Speaker 1: It's like the same thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the usual suspect. Yeah yeah, exactly. He
Speaker 2: probably doesn't like any of it, is what that answer
Speaker 2: actually tells me. Yeah, if it said, like, honestly, right now,
Speaker 2: I've been here so long, belly buttons are kind of
Speaker 2: doing it for me, Like that's a ghost.
Speaker 1: I do want to look at an elbow if you
Speaker 1: just look at it the way it moves.
Speaker 2: And it's called a weenis for a reason. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're not gonna, you know, you're not gonna throw a
Speaker 2: filthy name like that on something that's not orogenous. That's
Speaker 2: gonna be a discovery. The wenuses it was. It was
Speaker 2: correctly named, and it is a rogenous. I mean the
Speaker 2: funny bone. If you hit the funny bone, that ain't right.
Speaker 2: So something's in the weenus.
Speaker 1: You've been hitting the funny bone all hour long. We
Speaker 1: need to wrap this one up, but this has been great.
Speaker 1: Let's just do one thing real quick, just to get
Speaker 1: to know you a bit better.
Speaker 2: We bring on Kristen Stewart. What's please? Bring out Christy Stewart.
Speaker 2: I love Christy. I love Christen Stewart too.
Speaker 1: She's so cool.
Speaker 2: Christmas Stewart in adventure Land are you kidding me? Oh yeah?
Speaker 2: Or Jessie gets topless in that and it feels like
Speaker 2: they should have censored his top Do you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: I did know what you mean. Okay, just to get
Speaker 1: to know you a bit, We're gonna do a quick
Speaker 1: little rapid fire. Let's see if see if a story
Speaker 1: comes up, a thought comes up. Whatever about different paranormal things?
Speaker 2: Great?
Speaker 1: What do you think about Ouiji boards?
Speaker 2: Oh? See the Catholic in me terrified? I'm too afraid.
Speaker 2: I would never like when I saw The Witch for
Speaker 2: the first time that movie, I was on the wrong side.
Speaker 2: Like it was only through conversation that I that I
Speaker 2: found out that people are actually happy that she joined
Speaker 2: the witches in the end and then left her puritanical family. Like,
Speaker 2: you know, I could never engage with something devilish like that.
Speaker 2: I would feel too afraid of losing God's good will.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so going along with that? Like witchcraft? Is
Speaker 1: that how you feel? I mean, are you?
Speaker 2: I am so pro whatever people do in that realm,
Speaker 2: but I am so afraid of it. I'm so afraid.
Speaker 2: I am so I so believe in the power of uh.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you call it? Can we say
Speaker 2: the divine femininity? Is that? Is that? Which would you
Speaker 2: call that? Witchcraft?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think that. Yeah, I so believe in that. I
Speaker 2: And again, exactly the same thing. It's just not being
Speaker 2: invited to coke, you know, and to do coke. It's like, no,
Speaker 2: that's not true. I have actually been invited to some
Speaker 2: witchy things. That is not true. People witches are have
Speaker 2: been actually pretty welcoming of me. But again, the Catholic
Speaker 2: in me is very afraid of losing losing the big guys,
Speaker 2: big guys.
Speaker 1: But I mean, yes, okay, I understand why stuff like
Speaker 1: that seems scary to certain people, like based on your
Speaker 1: upbringing or whatever. But there's so many similarities the more
Speaker 1: you get to know it, and absolutely, and I think
Speaker 1: all things can be used for good or bad and.
Speaker 2: Well, and what's the quote about which is which is
Speaker 2: just someone who pays attention, you know? And I feel
Speaker 2: like if you maybe it's the same thing with paranormal
Speaker 2: like if you just if you strip down all the
Speaker 2: stupid learn stuff and just try to let your intuition
Speaker 2: kind of bleed out more than maybe that's a step
Speaker 2: towards whatever this is in that in that sense, I
Speaker 2: don't see that as interfering with them.
Speaker 1: I think God would still.
Speaker 2: He'd still be chill with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll let you and don't worry. What do you
Speaker 1: think of psychics? Chris Fleming?
Speaker 2: Oh so afraid, so so afraid of psychics.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you believe that there's such a thing
Speaker 1: or that it's real when yes, have you been to psychic?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 2: I'm too afraid. I'm so impressionable that like something like
Speaker 2: like if they said something clearly, there's bad ones like
Speaker 2: I like like my friend went to one and the
Speaker 2: psychic told she was so blown away because the psychic
Speaker 2: told her that her cat wanted wet food. And it's
Speaker 2: like all cats want wet food, you know, that's the easiest.
Speaker 2: I'm just too afraid. Do you go to do you?
Speaker 2: Do you frequent psychics? Constant lyom yeah, what have you had?
Speaker 2: Have they changed the course of your life?
Speaker 1: I mean, I swear to God, I've had times in
Speaker 1: my life where I'm like, I have a psychic problem.
Speaker 1: I need to examine this. I keep going to psychics.
Speaker 1: How often nowadays I'd come friends with a lot of psychics,
Speaker 1: and I sometimes do this shitty thing that is not
Speaker 1: okay to do, but whatever where it's just like if
Speaker 1: you have a friend that's a massage therapist or a
Speaker 1: doctor or whatever, when you're at a party and you're like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I got to ask you something. You know,
Speaker 1: they're bringing up the work thing.
Speaker 2: Or whatever's this?
Speaker 1: Well, sometimes with my psychic friends, I go listen. I
Speaker 1: know you charge a lot of money for your readings.
Speaker 1: I charge people for laughter. And I've been hanging out
Speaker 1: with you a lot, and I can't help but to
Speaker 1: notice that you're laughing a lot.
Speaker 2: Noticing some giggles I've noticed.
Speaker 1: So I've been working for free for you.
Speaker 2: Such a wow.
Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if you could talk to my dead
Speaker 1: grandma for me right now and find out if I
Speaker 1: should buy this car. And I think it's a fair trade.
Speaker 2: Honestly, your grandma and auto mechanic she was?
Speaker 1: She was, Yeah, so should I ask her if this
Speaker 1: is a good deal for us?
Speaker 2: How many miles should I get an oil change? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Seven thousand?
Speaker 1: Listen, I can't. I don't know how to work Google.
Speaker 1: It's too complicated. I would prefer a psychic just channels
Speaker 1: my grandmother and has the kinds of questions answered for me. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess that concludes this episode. Chris, this has been
Speaker 1: so fun. I hope that you've had a great time,
Speaker 1: because I would love.
Speaker 2: I've had I've had such a wonderful time.
Speaker 1: I would love to invite you back on this sometime again,
Speaker 1: because you're you. You really get it and you're really
Speaker 1: fun and.
Speaker 2: To be actually to I've never never experienced the actual
Speaker 2: emotion of like fear on a podcast, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? Besides like fear of like oh no, it
Speaker 2: was going to be released to the world, but like fear,
Speaker 2: like being spooked on a podcast by starring getting chills.
Speaker 2: It's an interesting it's an interesting podcast, right there?
Speaker 1: Was it the picture of the swamp monster that did
Speaker 1: it for you?
Speaker 2: No, it was the naming of Browntown, the fact that
Speaker 2: there's a town called Browntown. No, it's the ghost, the
Speaker 2: ghost voices, truly, like I get should do you get
Speaker 2: shoulder shakes where you have to like release a should
Speaker 2: like I haven't the little yeah that maybe it's nose
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, a little shimmy. But I know
Speaker 2: I had such a lovely time.
Speaker 1: Ros Oh hey, your comedy special. Doesn't that have kind
Speaker 1: of a spooky name?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called Hell. It's adjacent.
Speaker 1: How'd you come up with that name?
Speaker 2: Mmmm? Well, I was trying to show how bleak performance
Speaker 2: can be and the Hell like pre show. Hell. You
Speaker 2: know that feeling like and like performing can be kind
Speaker 2: of horrible, But most stand ups make it look like
Speaker 2: it's like they're a fucking rock star. And so I
Speaker 2: was like, it'd be funny if we did the opposite
Speaker 2: and like need like these kind of spooky sketches where
Speaker 2: I'm like, like worst case scenarios happening before the show
Speaker 2: leading up to the show, and like, yeah, so that
Speaker 2: was the name. And I think also the Catholicism thing
Speaker 2: of just I'm constantly thinking about hell, Heaven, hell binary.
Speaker 1: Oh it never leaves your brain, No, it never does.
Speaker 1: Might as well embrace it.
Speaker 2: I do. I do well.
Speaker 1: People can watch that on Peacock. Right, that's exactly right, amazing.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch I'm gonna watch your show, Rod.
Speaker 1: I'm going to watch your special. I'm gonna I'm not
Speaker 1: go I have not yet seen it, but that's okay.
Speaker 1: We'll do a swap. We'll do a flip flop. I'll
Speaker 1: watch your thing, you watch my thing, and then we'll
Speaker 1: do book reports back.
Speaker 2: Have you noticed there's a when people say i'd like that,
Speaker 2: you say I'm going to watch it. When people say
Speaker 2: I can't wait to watch it, it's like, oh, well, you
Speaker 2: kind of seem like you're finding a way to wait.
Speaker 2: If you can't wait, it's like you can months it's
Speaker 2: been you've been actively wait. There's like a zero percent
Speaker 2: watch rate of of those who can't wait. Do you
Speaker 2: find that with yours? Like, oh I can't wait to
Speaker 2: watch it?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah the way Sometimes the wait is
Speaker 1: long and then it's like and then sometimes these people
Speaker 1: will be like, I watched the stupidest reality show, this
Speaker 1: new thing last night. I can't believe, but I watched
Speaker 1: two hours of it. It was so bad. And then
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I have a show you could.
Speaker 2: Have watched, and you tell me you actually know me.
Speaker 2: So fun. It is so weird, though, how I get
Speaker 2: it because it is so intimate what we choose to watch,
Speaker 2: so many things that we could watch. It is so
Speaker 2: intimate where we actually do select like it needs. I
Speaker 2: just end up watching the same thing over and over again,
Speaker 2: which is what heat with Robert de Niro and Al Pacino.
Speaker 1: Well, that'll do it.
Speaker 2: Well, we did it. That'll do it.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for doing this. Wait people, social media,
Speaker 1: whatever you want people to know say yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Chris Fleming. Fleming is my Instagram is
Speaker 2: all you gotta know. Not the psychic, no follow the
Speaker 2: psychic too, because he's awesome. Yeah, he's at Chris Fleming
Speaker 2: ninety one on Twitter and I think at Chris Fleming
Speaker 2: Official on Instagram. Is his his instagram.
Speaker 1: I love it all right, Well, thank you, thank you, ros,
Speaker 1: thank you so much to Chris Fleming God, I love him. Hey,
Speaker 1: Happy holidays, Stay warm out there, stay safe out there.
Speaker 1: I will talk to you in two weeks. Two weeks.
Speaker 1: I love you all, both living and dead. But if
Speaker 1: I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me
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Speaker 1: My senior producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer
Speaker 1: is the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and
Speaker 1: sound designed by the Eerie Edson Choi My guest booker
Speaker 1: is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner. Additional production support from the
Speaker 1: hair raising Hannah Kyle Crichton. My theme music is by
Speaker 1: the spine Chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky
Speaker 1: Vanessa Lilac, Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced
Speaker 1: by the Chilling Karen Kilgareth, the Spooky Georgia Hard Start,
Speaker 1: and the Frightening Danielle Kramer