1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: And you're here. 2 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 2: Thanks for choosing the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost Day 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: and Paranormal Podcast Network. Your quest for podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 2: and the unexplained ends here. They invite you to enjoy 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: all our shows we have on this network, and right now, 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 3: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 3: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 3: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 3: to Coast AM employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 3: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi, 13 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 14 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 15 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 3: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know 16 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 3: that our loved ones have survived physical death and so 17 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 3: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. If you 18 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 3: are listening to my voice right now, there's a pretty 19 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 3: good chance you know the pain of grief and you 20 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 3: may be deep in it. Right now. I know that 21 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 3: when we lose someone we love, especially a child, a spouse, 22 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: a parent, or someone who has taken from us way 23 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 3: too soon, the world stops making sense. I also know 24 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 3: that when we're in that dark place, we don't want 25 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 3: somebody simply patting our hand and saying they are in 26 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 3: a better place. Our hearts are broken and our logical 27 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 3: minds kick in. We want facts, We want proof. We 28 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 3: want the hard, clinical, undeniable evidence that our person is safe, 29 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 3: that their personality still exists, and that the bond we 30 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 3: share has not been broken by their physical passing. So 31 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 3: today we're going to look at that exact evidence. We 32 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 3: are going to look at the ultimate logical proof of 33 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: the after life, and it does not come from a psychic, 34 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 3: a medium, or some spiritual guru. It comes to us 35 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 3: straight from the highly scrutinized, data driven world of clinical psychology. 36 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 3: We're dedicating today's episode to honoring the life and legacy 37 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 3: of a true pioneer. On February twenty eighth, twenty twenty six, 38 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 3: the world lost an incredible man named doctor Alan Botkin. 39 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 3: For many people outside of the psychological community, doctor Botkin 40 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 3: might not be a familiar name but his groundbreaking work 41 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 3: has touched the lives of thousands of grieving people around 42 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 3: the globe. Doctor Botkin was a clinical psychologist who spent 43 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 3: over twenty years working at a veterans administration hospital in 44 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 3: North Chicago. His job was incredibly hard and intensely grounded 45 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 3: in physical reality. He treated combat veterans who were suffering 46 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 3: the most severe, debilitating cases of post traumatic stress disorder. 47 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 3: Doctor Botkin was a man of science. He was not 48 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 3: looking for evidence of the afterlife. He was not trying 49 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 3: to prove that our souls survived death. He was simply 50 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 3: a dedicated doctor trying to help traumatize soldiers process the 51 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: unimaginable horrors of war so that they could function in 52 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 3: their daily lives. But inside those cold, sterile hospital walls, 53 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 3: doctor Botkin accidentally discovered something that completely shifted our understanding 54 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 3: of human consciousness. He developed a revolutionary psychological procedure called 55 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 3: induced after death communication or IADC. To understand how this 56 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 3: medical breakthrough happened, we have to look at the science 57 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 3: of how the human brain processes trauma. For a very 58 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 3: long time, the only available treatments for severe peace TSD 59 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 3: were exposure therapies. The idea was that if a patient 60 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 3: talked about their traumatic event repeatedly in a safe environment, 61 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 3: the emotional intensity would eventually decrease. But doctor botkinfound that 62 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 3: this was not working. The veterans weren't just remembering their trauma, 63 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 3: they were emotionally reliving it. Their brains were essentially stuck 64 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 3: on a loop, replaying the horror and horror again and again. Then, 65 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 3: in the late nineteen eighties and early nineteen nineties, a new, 66 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 3: highly scientific therapy emerged. It was discovered by a woman 67 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 3: named Francine Shapiro, and it was called EMDR, which stands 68 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 3: for eye movement, desensitization and reprocessing. At first, EMDR sounds 69 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 3: a bit strange to the logical mind. The therapist has 70 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 3: the patient focus on a traumatic memory while simultananeously guiding 71 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 3: the patient's eyes back and forth, usually by having them 72 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 3: follow the therapist's moving hand, But there is hard physiological 73 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 3: science behind why this works. EMDR is deeply rooted in neurobiology. 74 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 3: When we are asleep and dreaming, our brains are processing 75 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 3: and integrating information much more rapidly and efficiently than when 76 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 3: we are awake. This intense processing causes our eyes to 77 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 3: dart back and forth under our eyelids, which is why 78 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 3: it's called rem sleep or rapid eye movement sleep. The 79 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 3: discovery of EMDR proved that by guiding a fully awake 80 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 3: person to move their eyes in this exact same rhythmic fashion, 81 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 3: you can actually force the waking brain into that highly active, 82 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 3: accelerated processing mode. It physically changes the way our brains 83 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 3: had handle memories. Doctor Botkin and his colleagues at the 84 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 3: VA Hospital began using EMDR on these combat veterans, and 85 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 3: the results were incredible. In a single session, the memory 86 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 3: that had tortured a soldier for decades was suddenly processed. 87 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 3: The emotional charge was gone. The veterans would tell doctor Botkin, 88 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 3: I can still remember what happened, but it finally feels 89 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 3: like it's over. It was a massive psychological breakthrough, but 90 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 3: doctor Bodkin realized he could make it even better, so 91 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 3: he started experimenting with the standard EMDR protocol and he 92 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 3: made one crucial, profound adjustment. When a person experiences a 93 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 3: traumatic loss, there are usually many layers of emotion involved. 94 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 3: There is anger, there is guilt, But underneath all of 95 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 3: those layers, at the very bottom of the psychological wound, 96 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 3: there is core sadness. So doctor Botkin decided to bypass 97 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 3: the anger and the guilt. He used the rapid eye 98 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 3: movements to aggressively target the patient's deep core sadness. He 99 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 3: found that if he could help a patient fully feel 100 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: and process that pure sadness, all the other negative emotions 101 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 3: simply vanished. And that is when the impossible happened. By 102 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 3: using eye movements to process human sadness, doctor Botkin accidentally 103 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 3: opened a door to the afterlife. I want you to 104 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 3: hear this directly from him. I have an old recording 105 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 3: of doctor Botkin speaking to an audience of therapists and researchers. 106 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 3: The audio quality is poor as it's an older recording, 107 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 3: but I want you to hear his voice and his 108 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 3: clinical perspective. So here is doctor Botkin explaining exactly what 109 00:07:55,760 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 3: happened when he used his modified eye movement there to 110 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 3: target the core sadness of a severely traumatized Vietnam veteran 111 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 3: named Sam. 112 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 4: I was working with a marine named Sam, and this 113 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 4: is in my book. It was the very first case 114 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 4: I did accidentally. I was working with Sam and he 115 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 4: became very close to an orphan Vietnamese girl at his 116 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 4: base camp, and they developed a very strong father daughter relationship, 117 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 4: and Sam had plans to bring Lee home and a 118 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 4: doctor that he had even called his wife back. 119 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: Home and she was all for it. 120 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 4: So I'm working with Sam and I'm working on his 121 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 4: core sadness and he's shaking violently in his chair and 122 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 4: he's sobbing. 123 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: And my job at death White, just to keep him processing. 124 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: Good job, stand, good job, stand, Stay with me, Stay 125 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: with me at a boy adam boy. 126 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 4: I coached him through the processing of that sadness, and 127 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 4: sadness eventually came down and he closed his eyes and 128 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 4: I just sat there what they had Sam. I'm watching Sam, 129 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 4: and I'm watching the last few tears roll off his 130 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 4: cheeks and nick smile comes over his face. 131 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: I thought that was odd. 132 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 4: When he opened his eyes, he told me that Lee 133 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 4: had appeared to him as a grown woman, dressed in 134 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 4: a beautiful white gown with long, beautiful black hair, and 135 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 4: surrounded by the most beautiful white lad he's ever seen. 136 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: He also said they talked to each other privately. 137 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 4: Sam said I love you, Lee, and we said I 138 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 4: love you too, Sam, and then Lee reached out and 139 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 4: gave Sam a hug. 140 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: I remember him, even saying I could actually feel her 141 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 1: arms around. 142 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 3: Me, so in case the audio was a little hard 143 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 3: to catch. Doctor Botkin was treating a marine named Sam 144 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 3: who witnessed a tragic death of a ten year old 145 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 3: Vietnamese orphan girl named Lee. We loved like a daughter, 146 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 3: and during the therapy session, Sam got to his core 147 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 3: sadness and was violently shaking and crying in the chair. 148 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 3: But as doctor Botkin continued those eye movements, sadness processed 149 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 3: and a massive smile appeared across Sam's face. Sam reported 150 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 3: that Lee had just appeared to him, not as a 151 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 3: little girl, but as a healthy, radiant, grown woman in 152 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 3: a white gown, surrounded by a brilliant light. They talked, 153 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 3: they told each other they love each other, and they hugged, 154 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 3: and he could physically feel the weight of her arms 155 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 3: wrapped around him. Now, what do you think a clinical 156 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 3: psychologist would think in that moment? Doctor Botkin admitted that 157 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 3: his very first thought was that Sam must be hallucinating. 158 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 3: He worried that the emotional stress of the therapy caused 159 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 3: Sam to suffer some kind of a psychotic break. He 160 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 3: was so concerned that even told the staff at the 161 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 3: hospital to keep a close eye on him. But this 162 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 3: wasn't a hallucination. Hallucinations caused people to become paranoid, agitated, 163 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 3: and dysfunctional. But Sam while he skipped out of that 164 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 3: office full of joy. Next morning, the VA hospital staff 165 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 3: reported that they've never seen Sam so happy. That weekend, 166 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 3: Sam went home and completely restored his relationship with his 167 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 3: living daughter, whom he had previously avoided because just looking 168 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 3: at her triggered his traumatic memories of lee. His trauma 169 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 3: was instantly and permanently cured. Doctor Bodkin, a man of science, 170 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 3: realized that he had stumbled upon something miraculous. By reprocessing 171 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 3: the physical emotion of human sadness. In this way, the 172 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 3: brain naturally opens a state of receptivity, which allowed the 173 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 3: signal from the afterlife to come in loud and clear. 174 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 3: Doctor Botkin first developed this in nineteen ninety five, and 175 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 3: his colleagues urged him to be cautious. They warned him 176 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 3: that going public with this might ruin his professional reputation. 177 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 3: It would have been very easy and very safe for 178 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 3: doctor Botkin to keep this a secret, but he did not. 179 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 3: He chose to share it with the world because he 180 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 3: recognized the undeniable healing that it provided. He was more 181 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 3: committed to help grieving people than he was to protecting 182 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 3: himself from the critics. Because of his courage, therapists across 183 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 3: the globe now use this exact method to bring profound 184 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 3: relief to people who are suffering. This is called induced 185 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 3: after death communication therapy. And when we get back from 186 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 3: the break, we're going to look at the hard statistical 187 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 3: data of this therapy and we're going to explore why 188 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 3: doctor Botkin found that the people who have the absolute 189 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 3: easiest time connecting with their loved ones are actually the 190 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 3: skeptics and the atheists. We'll be right back. You're listening 191 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 3: to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast 192 00:12:54,320 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 3: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades 193 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 3: of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. Today's episode is a 194 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 3: tribute to afterlife pioneer doctor Alan Botkin, a psychologist who 195 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 3: treated severe combat trauma at a Veterans Administration hospital who 196 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 3: recently passed away. We all have skeptical minds, which is 197 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 3: a very good thing, and you may wonder if our 198 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 3: brains can generate comforting hallucinations just to protect us from pain. 199 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 3: That's the exact question doctor Botkin asked himself when his 200 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 3: patients first started reporting these vivid reunions with their deceased 201 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 3: loved ones. But as doctor Botkin continued his work, the 202 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 3: clinical data started to paint a very different picture. First, 203 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 3: of all, hallucinations caused by psychological distress or mental illness 204 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 3: are almost never positive. They are chaotic, confusing, and often terrifying. 205 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 3: They caused the patient to deteriorate and lose their grip 206 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 3: on reality. But the people experiencing these induced after death 207 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 3: communications or iadc's were experiencing the exact opposite. They were 208 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 3: returning from these visions with complete psychological clarity. Their debilitating 209 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 3: grief was entirely resolved. They were calm, rational, and fully 210 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 3: grounded in reality. Second, doctor Botkin started looking at the 211 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 3: success rate. If this was just a random misfiring of 212 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 3: a traumatized brain, it would only happen occasionally. But when 213 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 3: doctor Botkin compile his data on the first eighty four 214 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 3: patients he offered this therapy to, the numbers were huge. 215 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 3: Ninety eight percent of the patients who participated successfully achieved 216 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 3: an after death communication. Ninety six percent of them reported 217 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 3: a full resolution of their grief, So this was not 218 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 3: a random anomaly. This was a consistent, reproducible clinical outcome. 219 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 3: But perhaps the most fascinating piece of data doctor Bodkin 220 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 3: uncovered was about who this therapy worked best on. So 221 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 3: we might assume that someone who's deeply religious or someone 222 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 3: who desperately wants to believe in the afterlife would have 223 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 3: the easiest time experiencing a connection. You might assume that 224 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 3: their pre existing beliefs would prime their brain to imagine 225 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:54,479 Speaker 3: a heavenly reunion. But according to doctor Bopkins's clinical experience, 226 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 3: the exact opposite is true. So let me play a 227 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 3: short clip of doctor bot Can explaining why the people 228 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 3: who actually have the easiest time experiencing an induced after 229 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,239 Speaker 3: death communication are the strict skeptics and atheists. 230 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 4: But people come in with a lot of expectations, especially 231 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 4: people who have a lot of beliefs about the afterlife. 232 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: In fact, most people are harder to work with. Atheists 233 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: are easier because when it gets. 234 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 4: To the point of inducing that state of receptivity where 235 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 4: this natural experience can then happen, you can't force it 236 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 4: or make it happy. 237 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: You just kind of let it happy. 238 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 4: If you have a lot of strong beliefs, those expectations 239 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 4: and beliefs get in the way of the getting in 240 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 4: a receptive mode. 241 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: So what I do is I actually have two inductions. 242 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 4: Day two, I go through the formal procedure what would 243 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 4: you want to say? But on day one, when I 244 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 4: have an idea that all the sadness, all the main 245 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 4: pieces of sadness have been processed, I do my induction, 246 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 4: which I call my sneaking up method, which is, if 247 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 4: the sadness is coming down, people generally feel very peaceful, 248 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 4: they're feeling good. How do you feel it. I feel 249 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 4: a lot of relief. Good, Notice that relief, and just 250 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 4: go wherever it takes you. Booms ADC. Now, if I 251 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,479 Speaker 4: have said, you know, I'm gonna give you a SI 252 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 4: I imdment and you're going to see your deceased father, 253 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 4: it's not gonna work. 254 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: Or I want you to try to picture it, it's 255 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: not gonna work. 256 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 4: Spontaneous ADC researchers were very slow to accept what I 257 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 4: do because they, by definition, many of them believe they're 258 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 4: all real and true. ADCs are spontaneous. We have no 259 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 4: control over them whatsoever. They're a gift from Heaven well 260 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 4: might response to those people, because in high d C, 261 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 4: we actually don't deduce at ADC. We induce a state 262 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 4: of mind that allows the ad C to then naturally occur. 263 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 4: Once the ADC starts to occur, we have no control 264 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 4: over it matter. In fact, the deceased person wants in 265 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 4: a session and a message for me, which I get 266 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 4: now and then, and the person said. 267 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: Go fool yourself. We're always in control that you perfect, 268 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: perfect sense. 269 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 4: So my interest in what I'm sure of is this 270 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 4: heals people in grease, drawn etiquette, grief, and normal breathment. 271 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: It heals be able to a degree that we attablish 272 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: that possible. 273 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 4: There are hundreds of other trained i ABC therapists out 274 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 4: there who I sure would say the exact same thing. 275 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 3: So his words prove that after death communication is not 276 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 3: a product of wishful thinking. It is a natural, fundamental 277 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 3: reality of human consciousness that can only be accessed when 278 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 3: the heavy physical barrier of sadness is cleared out of 279 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 3: the way and when our minds stop trying to control 280 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 3: an outcome. But even with this clinical data, we want 281 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 3: to know more. We want verifiable facts, don't we When 282 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 3: a patient returns from one of these induced can munications 283 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 3: with concrete information they couldn't have possibly known. Well, that's 284 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 3: a verified fact. So doctor Botkin's published clinical work he 285 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 3: documented a case that provides exactly this kind of evidence. 286 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 3: It's the story of a man named Mark. Nearly twenty 287 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 3: five years prior to sitting with doctor Botkin, Mark was 288 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 3: involved in a horrific car accident. The accident was entirely 289 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 3: Mark's fault, and he was convicted of negligent homicide. While 290 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 3: Mark survived the crash uninjured, the passengers in the other vehicle, 291 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 3: two adults and a twelve year old girl, were all killed. 292 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 3: Because Mark was taken away from the scene in a 293 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 3: different ambulance, he never saw the victims. The guilt and 294 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 3: the shame completely destroyed his life. For twenty five years, 295 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 3: he avoided all television and newspaper reports about the act accident. 296 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 3: He refused to look at any information regarding the people 297 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 3: who died. He believed he was destined to suffer for 298 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 3: the rest of his life. His severe depression led to 299 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 3: failed marriages, drug abuse, and multiple suicide attempts. When Mark 300 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:23,239 Speaker 3: finally came to doctor Botkin for therapy, they used emdr 301 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 3: to target that massive crushing weight of the twenty five 302 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 3: years of his guilt and sadness. Once that sadness was 303 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 3: processed and after death communication was induced, Mark closed his 304 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 3: eyes and suddenly he saw all three of the victims 305 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 3: standing together. Mark had never seen these people in his life, 306 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 3: but he knew with absolute certainty it was them. He 307 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 3: reported that they were smiling, and they looked incredibly joyful 308 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 3: and at peace. Mark was able to observe them in vivid, 309 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 3: high definition detail. He specifically noted the appearance of the 310 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 3: twelve year old girl who was standing in front of 311 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 3: the two adults. Mark described her as having short red hair, freckles, 312 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 3: and a very distinctive smile. Interestingly, even though twenty five 313 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 3: years had passed, she still appeared to him as a 314 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 3: twelve year old. Then Mark received a clear communication from 315 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 3: the adult male victim. The man began to walk freely 316 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 3: around the scene, and he communicated to Mark that prior 317 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 3: to the car accident he had suffered from severe multiple sclerosis. 318 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 3: The man expressed profound joy that in the afterlife he 319 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 3: was finally free from his diseased physical body and that 320 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 3: he could move around perfectly. Mark used this opportunity to 321 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 3: speak privately to the victims. He told them how incredibly 322 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 3: sorry he was and how deeply sad he felt about 323 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 3: the entire tragedy. The victims communicated back to Mark that 324 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 3: they had waited a very long time to hear him 325 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 3: say that, and they told him that he was completely forgiven. 326 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 3: When Mark opened his eyes, he was astonished. He told 327 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 3: doctor Botkin, I didn't picture this. It just came to 328 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 3: me as clear as I'm looking at you right now. 329 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 3: I couldn't have imagined this. The crushing burden of his 330 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 3: guilt was instantly gone, but the true miracle happened the 331 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 3: next day. The next morning, doctor Bopkin received a frantic 332 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 3: phone call from Mark, demanding to see him immediately. When 333 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 3: Mark arrived at the office, he explained that because he 334 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 3: was finally feeling relief from his guilt, he had gone 335 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 3: to his sister's house the night before. He asked her 336 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 3: to go up into her attic and dig out the 337 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 3: old newspaper clippings from the accident, the clippings he had 338 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 3: refused to look at for twenty five years. When Mark 339 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 3: looked at the old newspaper photographs of the victims, he 340 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 3: nearly went into shock. The twelve year old girl staring 341 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 3: back at him from the fading newspaper had short red hair, freckles, 342 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 3: and that same exact smile he had seen in his vision. 343 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 3: And when he read the text of the article, it 344 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 3: stated that the adult male victim had suffered from severe 345 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 3: multiple sclerosis and had been confined to a wheelchair for 346 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 3: years prior to his death. Mark had absolutely no way 347 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:42,719 Speaker 3: of knowing those facts. His logical mind briefly panicked. He 348 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 3: was so stunned by the reality of his proof that 349 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 3: he asked doctor Botkin if the spirits might change their 350 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 3: mind and come back and punish him. Doctor Botkin assured 351 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 3: him that in the thousands of clinical cases he had 352 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 3: never once seen a negative after death communication or any 353 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 3: kind of punishment. This forgiveness Mark received was permanent. Mark's 354 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 3: story proves that the people we have lost are not gone. 355 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 3: They are not resting in peace in the ground, and 356 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 3: they have not vanished and too avoid of nothingness. They 357 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,479 Speaker 3: are awake, they are alive, they are vibrant, and they 358 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 3: are capable of communicating with us from across the veil 359 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 3: when we are opening to receiving the message. Doctor Botkins's 360 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 3: clinical data forces us to look at death and grief 361 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,719 Speaker 3: through a completely different lens. It removes the fear, it 362 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 3: removes the mystery, and it replaces it with hard, verifiable 363 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 3: evidence that our souls are eternal. Time to take another break, 364 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 3: but when we come back, going to dive deeper into 365 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 3: the clinical overlap between these induced after death communications and 366 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 3: near death experiences and will look at how this therapy 367 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 3: proves our li loved ones are met by welcoming committees 368 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 3: the moment they transition. We'll be right back. You're listening 369 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 3: to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast 370 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 3: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades 371 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 3: of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. Before the break, we 372 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:45,479 Speaker 3: looked at the astonishing verifiable evidence produced by induced after 373 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 3: death communication therapy, exploring the case of a man named Mark, who, 374 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 3: through his eye movement therapy, was able to accurately describe 375 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 3: the physical appearance and secret medical history of strangers who 376 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 3: died in a car accident years earlier. That case and 377 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 3: many more proves that our consciousness survives outside of our 378 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 3: physical brains. But as doctor Allan Botkin continued his work 379 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 3: with thousands of patients. He began to notice another undeniable 380 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 3: clinical pattern. The people who were having these communications were 381 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 3: all describing the exact same environment, and the environment they 382 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 3: were describing perfectly matches the environment reported by people who 383 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 3: have survived near death experiences. To the logical scientific mind, 384 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 3: this is a huge piece of evidence in science. When 385 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 3: two completely independent groups of people under entirely different physical 386 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 3: circumstances report the exact same phenomena, it is called reproducible data. 387 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 3: It points to an objective reality. Think about this. A 388 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 3: near death experience happens to someone who is physically dying. 389 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 3: Their heart has stopped, their brain activity has flatlined, and 390 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 3: they are hovering between this world and the next. An 391 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,959 Speaker 3: induced after death communication, on the other hand, happens to 392 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 3: someone who is perfectly healthy, sitting wide awake in a 393 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 3: therapist's office. Yet, when doctor Botkin compared the reports of 394 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 3: his waking patients to the thousands of near death experiences 395 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 3: documented by researchers like doctor Raymond Moody, the accounts were identical. 396 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 3: Patients in doctor Botkin's office described floating through a tunnel. 397 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 3: They described a brilliant, radiating white light that exuded pure 398 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 3: unconditional love. They described seeing their deceased loved ones appearing 399 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 3: completely whole, healthy, alive, and vibrant. People who had died 400 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 3: at a very old age, or who were ravaged by disease. 401 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 3: While they always appeared in their young, absolute prime, the 402 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 3: old age had disappeared. They also described beautiful landscapes. They 403 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 3: reported seeing trees, streams, and grass. One of doctor Botkins's 404 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 3: patients specifically noted that the grass they saw was the 405 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 3: greenest green they had ever seen, and that the plants 406 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 3: seemed to radiate their own inner light. These are the 407 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 3: exact specific hallmarks of a near death experience reported by 408 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 3: a fully awake, conscious person sitting in a clinical setting, 409 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 3: but it goes deeper. In some cases. Doctor Botkins's patients 410 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 3: actually witnessed the moment their loved one crossed over, and 411 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 3: they witnessed their welcoming committee. Doctor Botkin documented the case 412 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 3: of a Vietnam veteran named Bob. One night during the war, 413 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 3: Bob and two buddies were on guard duty. They were 414 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 3: ordered to shoot anything that moved in the dark outside 415 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 3: their perimeter. They heard movement in the brush, open fire 416 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 3: and hit something. Because it was pitch black, they had 417 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 3: to wait until daylight to investigate. The next morning, they 418 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 3: walked out into the jungle and discovered they had shot 419 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 3: and killed an unarmed Vietnamese woman and her infant child. Bob, 420 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 3: of course, was absolutely devastated. For decades after the war, 421 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 3: he was haunted by that horrific image of their bodies 422 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 3: in his mind. When he came to doctor Botkin, he 423 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 3: was drowning in an ocean of overwhelming guilt and sadness. 424 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 3: Doctor Botkin began the emdri movements to help Bob process 425 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 3: that core sadness. As the therapy progressed, Bob spontaneously went 426 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 3: back in time to the exact moment the woman and 427 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 3: child died, but this time he didn't see it through 428 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 3: the lens of physical trauma. Bob reported that he saw 429 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 3: translucent s spirits of the mother and child rise out 430 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 3: of their physical bodies at that exact moment of death. 431 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 3: The mother gently held her child in her arms. Bob 432 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 3: noted that they had a profoundly peaceful look on their faces. 433 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 3: He watched as they turned and drifted together through a 434 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 3: large tunnel toward a brilliant and bright light. As Bob 435 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 3: watched them transition, his decades of crushing sadness were instantly 436 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 3: replaced by a feeling of profound happiness and relief. He 437 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 3: was comforted knowing that the mother and child were safe, 438 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 3: that they had no pain, that they were alive, and 439 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 3: that their loving bond was completely intact. And here is 440 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 3: a fascinating part of the clinical case. Bob knew nothing 441 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 3: about near death experiences. He had never read a book 442 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 3: on the subject. He was completely confused by the bright 443 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 3: light he saw in his vision because at the time 444 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 3: of the actual shooting it was in the middle of 445 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 3: the night in the pitch black jungle. Bob's waking consciousness 446 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 3: had tapped into the objective reality of the afterlife transition. 447 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 3: He witnessed firsthand that death is not dark, and it's 448 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 3: not a terrifying end. It's just a peaceful separation from 449 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 3: the physical body, followed immediately by a journey into light. 450 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 3: No one is alone, no one is lost in the dark. 451 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 3: This brings us to one of the most important healing 452 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 3: truths that doctor Botkin uncovered in his decades of research. 453 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 3: I know we humans all carry some form of guilt 454 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 3: when we lose someone, especially if it was sudden. Our 455 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 3: human brains start looking for someone to blame, and quite 456 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 3: often we blame ourselves, and we torture ourselves, don't We 457 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 3: with the would haves, could have and we should have. 458 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 3: We think I should have only known, or I could 459 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 3: have done more, or I wish I hadn't said that 460 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 3: before they died. So we carry this heavy burden, terrified 461 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 3: that our loved ones are angry with us, or that 462 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 3: they still hold some kind of grudge on the other side. 463 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 3: So I want you to hear exactly what the afterlife 464 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 3: does to human anger. And again we'll hear a few 465 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 3: words from doctor Botkin himself in his presentation. An audience 466 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 3: member asked doctor Botkin how this therapy works for people 467 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 3: who have committed terrible acts or people who were murdered. 468 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 3: Doctor Botkin explains the mechanics of forgiveness in the afterlife 469 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 3: based on his work with combat veterans who had taken 470 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 3: the lives of others. Listen closely to the clinical facts 471 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 3: he presents here. 472 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,719 Speaker 4: When I worked with the BA, I worked with people 473 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 4: who purposely killed other people, and in every case that 474 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 4: person got forgiveness one percent. Now, first of all, this 475 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 4: doesn't work with psycho parents. They have no sadness for 476 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 4: their victim. Anyway, for this to work, you have to 477 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 4: have sadness to the person I had died. Therefore, you 478 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 4: need your grief for the person you killed. You have 479 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 4: to have sadness for that person. Just sense of humanity 480 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 4: needs to be connected with that person you kill. 481 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: If you don't have it, it's not going to work. 482 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,479 Speaker 4: And it's not an easy out because at the end 483 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 4: of it, you really have to go through that painful grieving. 484 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 3: No, it's not an easy out. We do all go 485 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 3: through that painful grieving. Doctor bot can work with combat 486 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 3: veterans who had purposely taken the lives of other human beings, 487 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 3: and in every single case, without exception, when those veterans 488 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 3: connected with the spirits of the people they had killed, 489 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:48,479 Speaker 3: they received one hundred percent forgiveness. Doctor Botkin noted that 490 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 3: out of thousands of induced communications, he never once witnessed 491 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 3: a negative angry or an encounter with punishment. Every single 492 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 3: one was rooted in absolute peace and understanding. But as 493 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 3: doctor bat can explain, it is not an easy out. 494 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 3: A true sociopath or psychopath cannot experience this therapy because 495 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:18,240 Speaker 3: they lack human empathy. To access the afterlife, you must 496 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 3: connect with your core humanity. The veterans had to be 497 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 3: willing to sit in the chair and fully, painfully grieve 498 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 3: for the enemy soldier or the civilian they had killed, 499 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 3: exactly the same way they would grieve for their own 500 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 3: mother or their child. Once that genuine human sadness was 501 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 3: felt and processed, the connection was made, and the response 502 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 3: from the other side was always unconditional love and complete forgiveness. 503 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 3: So why does this happen well, Because in the afterlife, 504 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 3: our loved ones go through what is known as the 505 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 3: life review. They have seen the big pick. Sure they 506 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 3: understand the intense pressures, the confusion, and the limitations of 507 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 3: being human walking around in our dense physical bodies. They 508 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 3: do not hold onto petty arguments or mistakes or any 509 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 3: earthly resentments. Those things simply do not exist over there. 510 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 3: Doctor Botkin even shared a story about a woman whose 511 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 3: uncle had been a Nazi soldier in World War Two. 512 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 3: She carried deep shame and sadness about who he had been. 513 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 3: During her induced communication, she saw her uncle he had 514 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 3: been through his life review. He was profoundly aware of 515 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 3: the pain he had caused in his earthly life, and 516 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 3: he took full, complete responsibility for it. There were no excuses, 517 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 3: but there was also no eternal punishment. There was only 518 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 3: a soul stripped of its earthly programming, learning from its 519 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 3: mistakes and striving to heal. If a soldier can find 520 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 3: complete one hundred percent forgiveness from a stranger he killed 521 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 3: on a battlefield, I want you to imagine the level 522 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 3: of absolute, radiant, unconditional love your child, your spouse, or 523 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 3: even your parent has for you right now. So if 524 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 3: you're beating yourself up over a mistake you made, or 525 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 3: a conversation you didn't get to have, or something you 526 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 3: think you should have caught, you need to let it go. 527 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,319 Speaker 3: Your loved one is not judging you. They are not 528 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 3: disappointed in you. They see your heart, they see your grief. 529 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 3: They know exactly how much you love them, and they 530 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 3: are sending that love right back to you, magnified a 531 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 3: thousand times over. You are doing the very best you 532 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 3: can with a heavy human suit you are wearing. So 533 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 3: give yourself a little bit of grace today, will you, 534 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 3: Because I promise you, on the other side, people already have. 535 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 3: When we come back for our final segment, we're going 536 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 3: to look at how doctor Botkin's work is being carried 537 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,919 Speaker 3: forward today the incredible clinical trial that proves just how 538 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 3: fast this therapy works and how you can access this 539 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 3: healing for yourself no matter where you are in the world. 540 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 3: We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the 541 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 3: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Hairinormal 542 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 3: Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm 543 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 3: Sandra Champlain. Throughout today's episode, we've been looking at the massive, 544 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 3: undeniable clinical legacy of the doctor Alan Botkin. We have 545 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 3: explored how the science of eye movement therapy can process 546 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 3: our deepest, darkest human sadness, and in doing so, open 547 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 3: up a direct, verifiable line of communication to the people 548 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 3: we have loved and lost. But if you're sitting there 549 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 3: right now, and you still possess a highly analytical, logical mind, 550 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,240 Speaker 3: you may still be looking for a little more proof. 551 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 3: If you're a parent in excruciating pain of your child 552 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,320 Speaker 3: being gone, or if you've lost the person who anchored 553 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 3: you to this world, your armor is thick and skepticism 554 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 3: is appropriate. We humans, we refuse to believe in fairy 555 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 3: tales about this because our pain is simply too great. 556 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,720 Speaker 3: I hope you enjoy my stories, and they are all true. 557 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 3: But we want some concrete facts, don't we. So you 558 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,280 Speaker 3: might be wondering if these induced after death communications are real, 559 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 3: what exactly are people seeing? How do we know it 560 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,280 Speaker 3: is an subconscious projecting a pleasant dream just to fix 561 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,359 Speaker 3: a broken heart. So I want to look more at 562 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:11,319 Speaker 3: some of these unpredictable specific details of what patients experience 563 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 3: in these clinical sessions. First, when a human brain creates 564 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 3: a comforting fantasy has to rely on its own memory banks, 565 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 3: it'll give us exactly what we expect. But in doctor 566 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 3: Botkins thousands of cases, the patients were consistently surprised by 567 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 3: what they saw. The details didn't match their earthly expectations 568 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,280 Speaker 3: or their memory. They matched the reality of the afterlife. 569 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 3: Here's a story from doctor Botkin's files about a successful 570 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 3: physician named Pam. Pam was a medical doctor. She was 571 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 3: grounded in science, logic, and the physical realities of being human. 572 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 3: She was also exhausted, overworked, and carrying a massive heavy 573 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 3: burden of guilt. When Pam was just fourteen years old, 574 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 3: her mother died of breast cancer. Her mother had only 575 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 3: lived three months after the diagnosis and Pam had taken 576 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:14,280 Speaker 3: it upon herself to become the strong caregiver of her family. 577 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 3: For thirty years, Pam locked away that grief, She blamed herself, 578 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 3: and she carried the crushing weight of that unresolved trauma 579 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 3: every single day of her life. When Pam finally sat 580 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 3: down for an IADC session, she processed that core sadness, 581 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 3: and when she closed her eyes, her mother was there, 582 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 3: but her mother didn't look the way she did at 583 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 3: the end of her life. Pam reported that her mother 584 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 3: looked significantly younger, thinner, and perfectly healthy. The heavy weight 585 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 3: she had gained during her illness due to medication was 586 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 3: completely gone. She was radiant, peaceful, and had a vibrant 587 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 3: spark in her eyes, and she wasn't sitting in a 588 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 3: hospital room or the stereotypical version of heaven with clouds 589 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 3: and harps and pearly gates. Pam actually laughed out loud 590 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 3: during the session because she saw her mother sitting on 591 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 3: a large rock by a beautiful beach, wearing an old 592 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 3: style bathing suit. Her mother communicated directly to Pam. She 593 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,800 Speaker 3: told her that she was so proud of the woman 594 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 3: and the physician Pam had become, and she told her 595 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 3: explicitly that there was absolutely no reason to feel guilty anymore. 596 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 3: Pam said she could physically feel the warm connectedness they 597 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 3: used to share. When Pam opened her eyes, the burden 598 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 3: of her thirty years living with this guilt was permanently gone. 599 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,360 Speaker 3: To the logical mind. The details of that story are important. 600 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 3: Why is the element of surprise so critical for evidence? 601 00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,839 Speaker 3: Because if the brain were simply projecting a wish fulfillment 602 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 3: or hallucination to cope with this trauma, it would project 603 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 3: the mother exactly as Pam subconsciously or consciously remembered her. 604 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 3: The brain does not organically generate a healthy woman in 605 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 3: a vintage bathing suit on a rock to cure PTSD. 606 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 3: The unpredictability is the hallmark of a genuine external encounter. 607 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 3: Our loved ones do not lose who they are when 608 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 3: they cross over. I'm happy to report they retain their humor, 609 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 3: their style, and their deep, permanent connection and love to us. 610 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 3: But if a visual appearance isn't strong enough for your 611 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 3: analytical mind, let me give you a piece of evidence 612 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 3: that crosses the boundary right into our physical world. Doctor 613 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 3: Botkin treated a man who was deeply grieving the loss 614 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 3: of his uncle. The uncle had been like a father 615 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,319 Speaker 3: to him, and the grief was so profound. During the 616 00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 3: eye movement therapy, the man had a successful used after 617 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 3: death communication. He saw his uncle standing right there, smiling 618 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 3: and healthy. But right next to his uncle was the 619 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 3: family dog that the patient had grown up with. The 620 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,799 Speaker 3: man was thrilled. He had a beautiful, comforting conversation with 621 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,320 Speaker 3: his uncle, and the session ended. But the real proof 622 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,279 Speaker 3: happened later that night. The man went home, went to 623 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 3: bed and turned out his lights. All through the night 624 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,759 Speaker 3: as he tried to sleep, he physically felt something repeatedly 625 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,440 Speaker 3: jumping on his bed, trying to wake him up, and 626 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 3: it did wake him up. It was a tangible physical 627 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,919 Speaker 3: sensation in an empty room. The next morning, he went 628 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 3: back to doctor Botkin's office and explained what happened. Doctor 629 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 3: Botkin had a pretty good idea of what was going on, 630 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,600 Speaker 3: so they did another round of eye movements and induced 631 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 3: the communication again. Sure enough, the man closed his eyes 632 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 3: and saw the dog in the vision. He played with 633 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 3: the dog, and the dog excitedly jumped on him and 634 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 3: licked him. Finally, the man looked at the dog and said, 635 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 3: sit the dog sat down and that night the jumping 636 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,360 Speaker 3: on the bed completely stopped. That's a little hidden gem. 637 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 3: As we think about it, an hallucination would happen entirely 638 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,839 Speaker 3: in the skull. It wouldn't be jumping up and down 639 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,320 Speaker 3: on the mattress as we try to sleep. That requires energy, 640 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,719 Speaker 3: and of course it is possible for those on the 641 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 3: other side to turn lights on and off, to turn 642 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,600 Speaker 3: a television on, or to have a pet dog jump 643 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 3: on the bed. It is a soul, and in this case, 644 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,439 Speaker 3: the soul of an excited pet reaching across the veil 645 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 3: to say, I'm right here, I'm alive, I'm right here 646 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 3: with you, play with me. Doctor Botkins's clinical follow ups 647 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:48,239 Speaker 3: revealed another massive piece of evidence this healing. It's permanent 648 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 3: and traditional psychiatry. If someone is given a placebo or 649 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:58,320 Speaker 3: experiences a temporary emotional high, the crushing grief always returns, 650 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,880 Speaker 3: the dark cloud comes back. But doctor bot Can found 651 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:08,719 Speaker 3: that following an IADC, the debilitating trauma stayed gone. You 652 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:14,320 Speaker 3: cannot trick the human brain into lifelong peace. Only an authentic, 653 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 3: undeniable shift in reality can do that. So the evidence 654 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 3: is overwhelming. The clinical data, the verifiable facts, the physical 655 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 3: interactions all points to one undeniable truth. Consciousness survives physical death. 656 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 3: If you are broken hearted right now, please hold on 657 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,240 Speaker 3: to these facts. The person you love is not gone. 658 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 3: They have indeed dropped their physical body, just like taking 659 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,759 Speaker 3: off a heavy winter coat, but they themselves well, they're 660 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 3: still alive, they're healthy, and they're surrounded by love. If 661 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,839 Speaker 3: you're experiencing this deep grief, you don't have to do 662 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:56,680 Speaker 3: it alone. And if this clinical approach resonates with you, 663 00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 3: you may wish to experience this healing. I'm proud to 664 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,359 Speaker 3: say doctor Botkins's legacy is being carried forward by incredible 665 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 3: licensed professionals all over the world. If you wish to 666 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,799 Speaker 3: scroll back to episode two hundred and thirty one of 667 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 3: Shades of the Afterlife, I interview doctor Tom Nemei, an 668 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:21,600 Speaker 3: award winning clinical psychologist. He conducts this exact IADC therapy 669 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,799 Speaker 3: via zoom for people all over the world, and you 670 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,120 Speaker 3: can find out if you're a candidate by visiting his website, 671 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:34,839 Speaker 3: Healing Grief with IADC dot com. If you want more 672 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,719 Speaker 3: stories and you want more clinical cases of doctor Botkins's work, 673 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:45,160 Speaker 3: his book Induced after Death Communication, a miraculous therapy for 674 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:50,600 Speaker 3: grief and loss is available everywhere. It's packed with science 675 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,720 Speaker 3: data and case studies that will satisfy your analytical mind. 676 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,080 Speaker 3: Another great book on IADC therapy is by doctor Tom 677 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:04,799 Speaker 3: Nemi call Inspired Life, Beautiful Deaths, Healing Grief, Overcoming fear 678 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,880 Speaker 3: of death, and living a Spiritual life. Before we wrap 679 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,239 Speaker 3: up our episode today, I have a tiny favor to 680 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,480 Speaker 3: ask of you. If today's episode, or any of the 681 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,880 Speaker 3: episodes makes sense to you, or bring you a moment 682 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,000 Speaker 3: of peace or gave you a little bit of hope 683 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,759 Speaker 3: that our loved ones still are around and we will 684 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,719 Speaker 3: see them again, please talk about it. Mention shades of 685 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,680 Speaker 3: the afterlife to your friends, family members, or co workers. 686 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,120 Speaker 3: The truth is, my friend, we never know who around 687 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:41,719 Speaker 3: us is secretly struggling. We never know who's carrying a massive, 688 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:47,319 Speaker 3: silent burden of grief or guilt or desperately searching for 689 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,600 Speaker 3: a reason to just wake up in the morning. But 690 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,439 Speaker 3: by bringing up this conversation or sharing an episode with them, 691 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,200 Speaker 3: you could be handing them the exact lifeline they need 692 00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,279 Speaker 3: to survive. We want to reach as many people as 693 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,040 Speaker 3: possible who are hurting, and if you haven't yet subscribed 694 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 3: to Shades of the Afterlife on your favorite podcast app. 695 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,120 Speaker 3: You can do that and be notified each and every time. 696 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,920 Speaker 3: iHeartRadio app is a good one. Also, if you have 697 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,960 Speaker 3: an Amazon Alexa, all you need to do is say 698 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,080 Speaker 3: play Shades of the Afterlife podcast and she'll bring it 699 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,480 Speaker 3: right up for you. I am so committed as we 700 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,440 Speaker 3: approach three hundred episodes together to keep this message alive. 701 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,480 Speaker 3: Believing in the afterlife not only gives us comfort, but 702 00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,440 Speaker 3: it helps us live a powerful life. Don't forget to 703 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,959 Speaker 3: come visit me atweedotdie dot com. Join my email list 704 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,920 Speaker 3: at the bottom of the page, get a free copy 705 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,959 Speaker 3: of my book and other great surprises. I also host 706 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:49,799 Speaker 3: a free Sunday gathering inspirational service with a medium demonstration included, 707 00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,239 Speaker 3: and it's free to the family, friends, and colleagues of 708 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,560 Speaker 3: the dear doctor Alan Botkin. Thank you for sharing him 709 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,600 Speaker 3: with us. Is brilliant mind and courageous heart. Change the 710 00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:07,520 Speaker 3: landscape of grief therapy forever. And to you, my friend 711 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,720 Speaker 3: listening right now, please remember always that you're a divine, 712 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:16,920 Speaker 3: eternal soul having a temporary human existence. You are precious, 713 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,319 Speaker 3: You are one of a kind. You are loved so much, 714 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,160 Speaker 3: way beyond measure, and the people you are missing right now, 715 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,120 Speaker 3: they're right there beside you, cheering you on every step 716 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,600 Speaker 3: of the way. I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you so much 717 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,800 Speaker 3: for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio 718 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,200 Speaker 3: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 719 00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,839 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost 720 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,879 Speaker 2: Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check out 721 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,160 Speaker 2: all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going 722 00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,320 Speaker 2: to iHeartRadio dot com. 723 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:00,120 Speaker 4: M