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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Kyles Forber and welcome to the Philly Show. Hey, everybody,

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Speaker 1: rubin Tomorrow Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd Zo Lucky. Brought to

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Speaker 1: you by the File Territory Network. It's Friday morning, November

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Speaker 1: twenty second, twenty twenty four. Gentlemen were doing good. Well, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we watched terrific. We watched teeririific, move be in, we

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Speaker 1: watched the u nlsy Young vote came out on Wednesday

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Speaker 1: night and it.

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Speaker 2: Was not close.

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Speaker 3: It was not close.

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Speaker 1: I thought Zach Wheeler it would be a little bit closer,

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Speaker 1: but Chris Sale kind of rolled away with it. He

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Speaker 1: he kind of He had twenty second, twenty six, twenty

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Speaker 1: six first place votes. Zach got four and uh, kind

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Speaker 1: of a distant second. I was a little surprised. I

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Speaker 1: mean I didn't I wasn't surprised at Sale one, but

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Speaker 1: I was a little surprised it wasn't closer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. I wasn't surprise. He had

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Speaker 3: a lot of traction throughout the season. It seemed like,

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Speaker 3: or throughout the second half, it seemed like he was

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Speaker 3: leading it in the public opinion, even though he miss

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Speaker 3: starts at the end and Zach. You know, buw buy

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Speaker 3: him an innings? Yeah, another tough one for Zach. I

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Speaker 3: mean two second place finishes. I just think sometimes, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he didn't win second place is still pretty damn good

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Speaker 3: when you look at all the pitchers in Major League Baseball,

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Speaker 3: and to have two second places on your resume, and

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Speaker 3: you know what, he still has a lot of tread

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Speaker 3: on his tire. He's about to start a new three

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Speaker 3: year extension. Go out and win it next year. I

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Speaker 3: too was surprised he only got what four first place votes.

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Speaker 3: I was really surprised he got a fourth place vote.

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Speaker 3: I don't, you know, agree with that. He's either first

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Speaker 3: or second. He should be on every ballot. But you

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Speaker 3: know that said, you know, it's hard to ignore twenty

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Speaker 3: two more innings, which comes down to you know, three

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Speaker 3: more or lengthy starts, three more seven inning starts, which

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Speaker 3: you know kind of even somewhat old school. I mean,

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Speaker 3: if he kind of new school five and change, it's

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Speaker 3: more than that, right, So, but just know the great

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Speaker 3: season and you know, sale, it's hard to argue either way.

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Speaker 3: Either one of them could have won this award and

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Speaker 3: it would have been a worthy choice.

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Speaker 2: I have sort of a soft spot for Chris Sale,

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Speaker 2: just because I know what he what he's about. I

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Speaker 2: was with him in Boston. I love the guy, and

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Speaker 2: I have had a great opportunity to be with Zach

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Speaker 2: Wheeler as well, and when we were with the Mets,

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Speaker 2: and so I have a soft spot for both these guys.

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Speaker 2: Chris Sale had a phenomenal season, you know, winning the

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Speaker 2: triple Crown. That's that's a that's a really really big deal.

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Speaker 2: It just doesn't happen very often. But I totally agree

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Speaker 2: with you, Tad that this vote should have been a

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Speaker 2: lot closer. I mean, I understand why people would choose

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Speaker 2: to triple round winner, but when you look at the

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Speaker 2: totality and you look inside the numbers a little bit more,

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Speaker 2: that to me, that had to weigh a little bit

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Speaker 2: more than I think people allowed it to weigh. And

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Speaker 2: and uh, I got to believe that I would not

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Speaker 2: have been surprised by I'm not surprised by the fact

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Speaker 2: that Chris Sale won, and he probably was deserved of it.

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Speaker 2: But I think that there's also, you know, really really

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Speaker 2: strong arguments for for Zach Wheeler. I mean, Zach was fantastic.

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Speaker 2: He was fantastic again down the stretch when they needed it.

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Speaker 2: He was as durable as anybody in baseball. If he's

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Speaker 2: there's one pitcher that would want on the mound to

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Speaker 2: win a baseball game in today's day and age a starter,

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Speaker 2: he'd be the guy for me. And uh and I

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Speaker 2: think that means something too. So a little disappointed that

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Speaker 2: he didn't have a closer vote. And yes, fourth place

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Speaker 1: That was I mean, that's crazy for him.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you put Paul Skeins ahead of him. It's

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Speaker 2: just I mean, Paul had a great year. He had

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Speaker 2: happy here. I mean, I just I just feel like,

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's go, guys, come on, have some integrity here,

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Speaker 1: That's why that's why Zach lost in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: I'd have to go back and look, but he had

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Speaker 1: like a fifth place vote somewhere by somebody that really

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Speaker 1: dropped his point total down. That was he. He and

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Speaker 1: the closest vote for Nlcy Young since they went from

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Speaker 1: why again, I believe is because somebody voted Zach like

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Speaker 2: Well, he totally got screwed out of that one. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's no question. I mean Cortman Burns had like a

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Speaker 2: unless you're Sandy Cofax and putting up like so stupid

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Speaker 1: Saying that z Sex second twenty twenty one had a

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Speaker 2: It sounds like a personal thing. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: That's why that's where.

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Speaker 2: I think that some of the voting here is questionable.

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Speaker 2: And then and I think it's unfortunate because they're talking

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Speaker 2: very important to uh, to certain Prize fighters we've seen, Mike,

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Speaker 2: of people in most and in this case, you know,

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Speaker 2: it could be the difference for this guy one being

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Speaker 2: a cy Young Award winner. But also, I mean, who

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Speaker 2: knows that's gotta test to be a Hall of Famer

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Speaker 2: with the numbers East bring together. You talked about it before, Tah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know so so Mike Petriel at MLB

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Speaker 1: dot com he he does. You know a lot of

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Speaker 1: the statcast stuff at MB I thought he wrote a

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Speaker 1: great story the other day. It was Wednesday morning. If

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Speaker 1: they haven't seen it, read it, check it out. So

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Speaker 1: Mike Petriel took a look at Zach Wheeler's career and said,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's probably going to finish second for sy Young.

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Speaker 1: But he is probably if you look at his numbers

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Speaker 1: on a Hall of Fame trajectory, and here's what he

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Speaker 1: You know, how much stock do you put in a war,

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Speaker 1: But sixteen of twenty of the seven year war leaders,

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Speaker 1: of Fame. Zach Wheeler right now is the Major League

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Speaker 1: leader in war over these last seven years, thirty three

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Speaker 1: point five war. According to Fangrafts. That's ahead of Garrett Cole,

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Speaker 1: some people don't like it, but it does, generally speaking

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Speaker 1: capture the excellence of a player over time. Who are

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Speaker 1: that was really interesting because he really broke it down nicely.

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Speaker 1: And here's the other thing too. You know, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: viewed him fifteen to twenty years ago. There's probably not

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Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of three hundred winners coming down

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Speaker 1: this is what Mike I thought made a great point

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Speaker 1: here is you know, today the guys don't pitch deep.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're not gonna win three hundred games. You know,

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Speaker 1: how do you compare them? Well, he's gonna because he's

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Speaker 1: probably gonna finish his career with half as many innings

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Speaker 1: But when Bob Gibson finished his career, where people going like, ah,

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Speaker 1: he didn't have as many innings as Walter Johnson, he

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Speaker 1: Cy Young. So over time you're gonna have to look

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Speaker 1: at these guys differently. And Mike's point is we're watching

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame pitcher in Zach Wheeler, and I

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 4: He sold me on it.

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Speaker 3: He sold me on it.

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Speaker 1: What do you guys think?

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Speaker 4: How close?

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Speaker 3: What does he need? Two more good years?

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Speaker 3: How close is he right now in your mind? And

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Speaker 3: what does he need? Because I mean, if he's if

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Speaker 3: he stays healthy throughout this three year extension, which he's

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Speaker 3: indicated only wants to pitch three more years, that you know,

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Speaker 3: he's he's on a team that should go to the postseason.

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Speaker 3: He should have a chance to enhance his postseason resume,

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Speaker 3: which is already out. Yeah, I think he's got a chance.

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Speaker 3: He's got to have a couple more good years here,

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Speaker 3: continue this run of good health that he's on. But

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Speaker 3: he's the guy that's just you know, as he once

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Speaker 3: he got healthy from the elbow, he moved on from

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Speaker 3: the Mets. He's really built a great relationship with the

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Speaker 3: Phillies pitching coaching staff, led by Caleb Coffin. He's bonded

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Speaker 3: well with him. It's been a really good relationship. I mean,

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Speaker 3: he's mentioned how much he's grown under under Coffins tutelage.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he stays healthy and the way he's just

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Speaker 3: getting better with age. He's so smart. He knows his body,

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Speaker 3: he knows how to pitch, and yet he's got electric

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Speaker 3: He's kind of a total package. If he continues it,

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Speaker 3: I think we could see him end up in Cooperstown

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Speaker 3: and that certainly would you know, solve the wounds of

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Speaker 3: finishing second to Burns and second to Sail and he

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Speaker 3: might get that first place finished here in the next

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, listen, I'm all about length and consistency,

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Speaker 2: and I think, Jim. The thing that's really impressed me.

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Speaker 2: What I'm proud most of what's happened with Zach is

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Speaker 2: that from the time after that on that second half

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Speaker 2: of the twenty eighteen season, I talk about it a lot.

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Speaker 2: I thought he was outstanding. I thought he just learned

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Speaker 2: sort of continued from then on and it's been outstanding

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Speaker 2: obviously with the Philadelphia Phillies, but he became a pitcher.

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Speaker 2: He was a thrower and with great stuff, and he

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Speaker 2: him develop and mature over time, it's been a real

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Speaker 2: I hope he uh, I hope he has three more

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Speaker 2: Philly fans, you know, don't take it for granted. Man,

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Speaker 1: They're gonna take a shot at them. I don't think

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Speaker 3: And now it sounds like, and we've talked about this

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Speaker 1: Jim's got that blueberry shoe on standby though, just in.

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Speaker 2: I want to are you're gonna shot? Are you gonna

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Speaker 3: I found I found a bakery that well, they can

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Speaker 1: It's a great show. You gotta watch it. It's my

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Speaker 2: And well, I did my best to knock him out,

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Speaker 2: That's funny. Tim Tibo was actually a really super super

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Speaker 1: tonight is the non tender deadline. So I've canceled my plans.

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Speaker 2: I love I love these.

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Speaker 1: Eight pm I love these a pm deadlines on a

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Speaker 1: Friday night. So basically, for people that don't know.

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Speaker 2: You're really boring. I mean, Ryan really must.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I told her today, I said, I said,

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Speaker 1: Guys like why, I said, Well, there is this thing

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Speaker 1: called the non tender deadline. They might not tender. Oh

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Speaker 1: that's great, have fun with that. So the non tender

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Speaker 1: downy for the people that know, any unsigned player, salary

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Speaker 1: arbitration player, they have to be tendor to contract. If

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Speaker 1: they're not tendered to contract, they become a free agent.

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Speaker 1: And Dave Dombrowski has dropped a lot of hints that

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Speaker 1: they they're not real sure on one guy in particular,

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Speaker 1: and that is Austin Hayes. He's projected I think to

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Speaker 1: make around six point five seven million dollars next season.

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Speaker 1: We would we be surprised if Austin Hayes is tendered

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Speaker 1: a contract. I would be surprised. Based off of Dave's

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Speaker 1: comments to this point.

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Speaker 3: It seems to be trending toward a non tender. We'll

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Speaker 3: find out, but you know, it certainly would be understandable.

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Speaker 3: I think we liked the trade at the time, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: he didn't show a lot for you know, he was

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Speaker 3: banged up a little bit, that he was ill. But

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Speaker 3: it just seems like they might go a different direction

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Speaker 3: in left field. I think they need a serious upgrade there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he got an incomplete I would give

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Speaker 2: him a grade of an eye because the poor guy

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Speaker 2: just got hurt. He didn't get a chance to get

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Speaker 2: in rhythm. He wasn't playing all that much when he

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Speaker 2: was in Baltimore, and they were hoping that more playing

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Speaker 2: time would help him get into a rhythm and be

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Speaker 2: the player that he sort of can be. Like. I

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Speaker 2: like the acquisition at first, and then you know, he

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Speaker 2: got ill, got hurt. I mean seriously, I like seriously

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Speaker 2: like hospital bill, and and it was dangerous for him,

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Speaker 2: and you know, obviously he could not get back and

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Speaker 2: be healthy. But I got to believe that I'm going

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Speaker 2: to sort of look to revamp what's going on left

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Speaker 2: field in the centerfield, and I don't know that he's

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Speaker 2: going to be part of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he didn't play in game for the

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Speaker 1: NLDS despite Kintana being on the mountain. That was kind

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Speaker 1: of why he was rought here, is to crush left

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Speaker 1: handed pitching because he had done it with the Orioles.

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Speaker 1: So you know, his bat speeded slowed at that point.

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Speaker 1: He really didn't look like himself. So the other guys,

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Speaker 1: other arbitration eligible guys are Alec Bohm, Brandon Marsh, Jose Ruiz,

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Speaker 1: ed Mundo Sosa, Bryce and Scott, Garrett Stubbs and Ranger Swarz.

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Speaker 1: I guess maybe another guy in there who could potentially

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Speaker 1: be non tender to be Garrett Stubbs. But I'm sure

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Speaker 1: there's is there a way to maybe keep him and

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Speaker 1: not pay him as much as you want. They could,

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Speaker 1: they could talk about that just to keep him in

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Speaker 1: the system if they wanted to do that. They need

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Speaker 1: the catching depth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they definitely need to catching depth. I mean, he's

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Speaker 3: been a contributor here, but they have an issue with

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Speaker 3: march On being out of options next year and Stubbs.

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Speaker 3: Stubbs has options, So boy, you need depth to catch her.

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Speaker 3: And if you could, you know, keep him in the system,

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Speaker 3: that's really gonna be a good thing. I think they

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Speaker 3: can figure they can do a split contract, right Rubin.

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Speaker 2: They can do anything want as a non tender. I

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Speaker 2: was non tender to one year after the nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: six season. I had actually really good year, and they

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Speaker 2: threatened a non tender. I ended up taking a deal

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Speaker 2: that was a split contract. I ended up actually taking

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Speaker 2: a minor league deal. I don't think that Garrett steps

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Speaker 2: will do that. I think he's gonna end up being

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Speaker 2: a major league contract of some sort of. They do

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Speaker 2: do a pretender deal, but you know, listen, you can

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Speaker 2: never have enough catching, just like you can never have

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Speaker 2: enough starting pitching, and so they're going to need some

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Speaker 2: of that debt. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: the trash. So, uh, if anybody's interesting, recycle let me know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: recycle him exactly right, exactly right. So we'll be back.

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Speaker 2: Got to stay pc exactly exactly, exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back next week.

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