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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Colts Free Agent Preview podcast, a look

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Speaker 1: at some key in house free agents this offseason. Now

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Speaker 1: here's the voice of the Colts, Matt Taylor from the

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Speaker 1: Indiana Union Construction Industry Radio Studio.

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Speaker 2: Hello again, Welcome to our Free Agency Preview podcast series.

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Speaker 2: I'm Matt Taylor today joined Flanked if you will by

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Speaker 2: JJ Stankowitz Casey Valier in studio. NFL free agency starts

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Speaker 2: next week the NFL new league year. The calendar begins

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Speaker 2: next Wednesday at four o'clock Eastern time. That's when free

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Speaker 2: agency begins all around the NFL deals can start to

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Speaker 2: become official. This is our ninth and final podcast in

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Speaker 2: this series. We've already taken a look at Michael Pittman

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Speaker 2: Junior Gardner, Minshew Zach Moss, Grover Stewart, Kenny Moore, the Second,

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Speaker 2: Julian Blackman, Rigaberto Sanchez, Tavan Brian and Taekwon Lewis. Check

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Speaker 2: those out at your convenience, said Colts dot Com, the

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Speaker 2: Colts Audio Network. But today fellas we're closing and out.

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Speaker 2: Spotlight today is on Jake Martin and Ronnie Harrison Junior

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Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the ball. This has been

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Speaker 2: fun doing these It has been.

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Speaker 3: It's been a lot of it's It's one of those

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Speaker 3: things too that I like, is you kind of dive

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Speaker 3: back into these guys. It's almost like you're getting to

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Speaker 3: know them again as you're preparing for what your free

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Speaker 3: agent candas.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good like reset on what some of

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Speaker 4: these guys' roles were, especially when we'd get down the

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Speaker 4: roster to you know, we're being thorough here talking about

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Speaker 4: Ronnie Harrison and Jake Martin, but right there are two

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Speaker 4: guys who the Colts did have play a significant number

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Speaker 2: So here we are, big picture you guys ready for

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Speaker 2: next week. I mean, free agency is it's always fun.

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Speaker 2: It's always chaotic, and it's always just like a big,

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Speaker 2: big game of dominoes. And the numbers that we're about

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Speaker 2: to see are gonna be, you know, crazy, because obviously

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Speaker 2: this year the salary cap is at a record high,

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Speaker 2: so we're gonna see a lot of guys making money

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Speaker 2: that maybe we didn't see coming this time last year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the optimism of this time of year.

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Speaker 3: Your point, you see things change within your team and

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Speaker 3: you think about what that player does for a specific role,

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Speaker 3: starting from scratch.

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Speaker 1: In a way.

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Speaker 3: It's like, all right, twenty three is out the window.

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Speaker 3: Now we're preparing for the next season. So everybody's starting

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Speaker 3: you try to, you know, start putting the pieces together

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Speaker 3: to see what that roster's going to look like.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, let's talk about Jake Martin going into its seventh

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Speaker 2: season last year. Signed by the Colts, he was picked

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, he spent time with four different franchises.

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Speaker 2: He's been with the Jets, the Broncos, Texans, and Colts.

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Speaker 2: Traded by the Jets to Denver, then placed on ir

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Speaker 2: late in the season in twenty twenty two, but this

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Speaker 2: of season that Jake Martin had. Again, this is always

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Speaker 2: year and the usage. Here what kinds of situations was

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Speaker 4: For Primarily he was a rotational defensive end. He played

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Speaker 4: fact about Jake Martin. He led the Colts in pass

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not a guy is Wait why didn't he play more?

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Speaker 2: Casey, if if Jake Martin comes back, what kind of

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Speaker 2: And I know it's going to be based on the

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Speaker 2: But just hypothetically speaking, is Martin capable of bigger roles

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Speaker 3: I would assume he's capable of bigger roles. I don't

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Speaker 2: What about Taekwon Lewis. You both brought him up, his production,

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Speaker 2: I guess, in other words, would it be Taekwon Lewis

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Speaker 2: kind of boils down to, you know, what do you

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Speaker 4: you're probably talking about the eighth guy, the eighth or

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Speaker 4: If that eighth guy is a zero, then you're not

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Speaker 2: All right, let's shift gears. Let's talk about Ronnie Harrison,

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Speaker 2: also going into a seventh year in the NFL, signed

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Speaker 2: You want me to play a different position? After I'm

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Speaker 2: At the end of the season, the Colts moved them

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Speaker 2: He was all over the place. But this year played

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Speaker 2: You talk about, you know, just embracing whatever role, whatever

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Speaker 4: I mean it wasn't just me and you know and

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Speaker 3: Now, I'm glad you brought that up because that was

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Speaker 4: And we'll be ready for uh, you know, kind of

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Speaker 2: gonna be yapping, we're gonna be breaking it down. In

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Speaker 2: Free Agency, which starts Wednesday, the thirteenth of March the

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Speaker 2: new league year. Check it all out for Casey Vale,

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Speaker 2: JJ Stangovitz. Thank you for listening to this and all

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Speaker 2: of our Free Agency podcasts capsules, our podcast series that

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Speaker 2: is now over with this one, but as always, stay

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Speaker 2: here on Colts dot com and the Colts Audio Network

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Speaker 2: for the latest on the horseshoes. I'm Matt Taylor, the

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Speaker 2: Free Agency Frenzy starts next week and thanks for listening

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Speaker 1: So long