1 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hours, Golden Hour. Thanks so 2 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: much for joining us today. We're gonna have fun today, 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: aren't we. Goad? 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 2: We are going to have so much fun. First of all, 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: we've I'm still I'm frozen. I have a sweatshirt on 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: because I'm so cold. Is it cold where you are, 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 2: Susan Kabby? 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 3: It has to be sixty or seventy where you are? 9 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 4: She gets cold in the sixties. Here. We just hit thirty. 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: Congratulations, that's that's that's reverse hell is what that is. 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 4: We've been in the teens. 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: All right. Well, today we have a very special guest. 13 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: She is actually my neighbor in Austin, Texas. Please welcome 14 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: from mel season of The Golden Bachelor. Cindy. Hi, Cindy, 15 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: We welcome. 16 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 5: Thank you so much for donning on. 17 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, is that harro Wig nice? 18 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 5: It's all you, but getting it done. We're looking at 19 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 5: the final days of it. She's she's going to get 20 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 5: a little shorter anyway. 21 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 4: It's beautiful. 22 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: You look gorgeous, are you? How are you house life? 23 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 2: Because we're about to get into some big stuff here. 24 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 2: We're going to get to town. 25 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 5: I'm doing I'm doing great. Listen, has moved on, and 26 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 5: I'm I'm as you guys know, I'm living my life 27 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 5: and I'm grateful that you invited me on. The timing 28 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 5: is ironic. I don't think either any of us would 29 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 5: have predicted this, but it might be perfect time. 30 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: It might okay. 31 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 5: I just. 32 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 2: I just want to say, for anyone who doesn't know Cindy, 33 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: I've gone out with Cindy a few times in Austin. 34 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 2: We've gone to dinner, We've Cindy is amazing. First of all, 35 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 2: she knows everyone in Austin. She can get you a 36 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 2: dinner reservation at any restaurant you want in Austin. But 37 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: I have to tell the story Cindy before we get 38 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: into it. Cindy and I went out with a couple 39 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: of her girlfriends I don't know a few weeks ago 40 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: and Cindy we went to dinner, went a show, and 41 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: then we went to this hot spot bar which I 42 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 2: won't mention my name, and yeah, Cindy says, girls, and 43 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: she looked, you know, hot, as she always does. And 44 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: Cindy goes, We're all gonna have a drink and there's 45 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 2: gonna be guys in there that will want to buy 46 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: us all drinks, and I'm like, no way. 47 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 5: No, that was you. 48 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 3: That was you. I'm gonnatthing great right now, you said, Cindy, 49 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 3: go to the bar. 50 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 5: Those two guys are checking us out. You need to 51 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 5: go to the bar. Now you can pick the rest 52 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 5: of the story up, because okay. 53 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 2: Okay, I said they're checking you out, Cindy, I did 54 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: not say anything about me. I was dressed in a 55 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 2: kilt and loafers. 56 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 4: Oh. 57 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 2: So Cindy goes over to the bar. The very good 58 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: looking guy starts chatting her up, and the rest of 59 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: us are sitting and going, yep, just watch Cindy do 60 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: her magic work. And what happens. Literally two minutes later, 61 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: drinks are delivered to our table from the guy. So 62 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: do not mess with Cindy because what she says is 63 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 2: gonna happen is gonna happen. 64 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 5: Now you learn how to manifest. Gotta learn how to 65 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 5: manifest now. 66 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 2: With that ward you have, and that is an intro, 67 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 2: we are going to get into it today, all right, Cindy. 68 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 2: I don't even know where to begin. 69 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 4: But I can't believe it's a few months ago that. 70 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,839 Speaker 2: I know the finale. It was just a few months ago. 71 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: How has life been for you? Start? Just start at 72 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: the beginning since the final. 73 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 5: I mean, I tell you going through it. You guys 74 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 5: know like once you're on the show, you tape it, 75 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 5: you film it, you get off the show whenever you 76 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 5: get off, and you can't say anything about it until 77 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 5: really you're off the episodes. And for me that was 78 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 5: till the very drop dead end and I spent you know, 79 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 5: I feel like I've I've dedicated a good portion of 80 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 5: last twenty twenty five to the show because I left 81 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 5: my life behind and I just didn't catch up to 82 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,119 Speaker 5: it again until November. So I had November and part 83 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 5: of December just I did a ton of podcasts in 84 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 5: that time and relived it all. And then from December 85 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 5: I kind of asked to take a pause when my 86 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 5: family was here, and you guys invited me to come 87 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 5: on here today. So I've just been this last month, 88 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 5: started to put my real life back to your. 89 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: Life right, right, because what has changed for you since 90 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: coming off the show? 91 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 5: I think I have a newfound perspective of how strong 92 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 5: I am, how much I really do know what I want, 93 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 5: and that I'm still saying yes to the opportunities in 94 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 5: front of me, and the life is still delivering a 95 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 5: lot of fun. My kids have been amazing. I've learned, 96 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 5: you know, I've learned to really listen to my kids too, 97 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 5: Like they've been leaning on me for advice for all 98 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 5: these years, and now I really feel like I can 99 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 5: lean on them for advice. 100 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: So that's what did your kids say? What if your 101 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: kids said, since you've come off the show, what are 102 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 2: their thoughts on what's been going on? 103 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 5: Okay, so I've mentioned this before, maybe one or two podcasts, 104 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 5: but you know they did not like him. 105 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: Wait, could we just who is him? Just so you know? 106 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 3: In case mister mel Owens Bachelor Season two? 107 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 5: So it came down he had a chance to meet 108 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 5: he meeting mel Owens, it's a chance to meet my 109 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 5: three kids and my two son in laws. And after 110 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 5: the taping and you know, we saw what we saw 111 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 5: on TV, but there's a lot that goes on behind there, 112 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 5: and I didn't get to see them after they left. 113 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 5: I really they just like we had our own thing 114 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 5: here actually up here in my condo. And so my 115 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 5: kids went and debriefed. That was a lot for them, right, 116 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 5: They're not on a TV show. This was all new 117 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 5: to them. It happened fast. They're all, Mike, they're meeting 118 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 5: this person who's dating their mom, and they know it 119 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 5: must be final three or so. They know it's getting 120 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 5: serious that, I mean, this is their mom. And so 121 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,239 Speaker 5: they go to eat it this great Mexican place. Kathy, 122 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 5: you would know it. And afterwards it was after one 123 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 5: mark for sure, maybe to Margarita. 124 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 2: You're dead. I know exactly what you're talking about. After two, 125 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: you're dead. 126 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 5: But keep on, after two you're dead. They were out 127 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 5: on the patio drinking Margarita's and they had the they 128 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 5: had the vision to make a video, and they just 129 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 5: started the video and said, Okay, Sarah, what do you 130 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 5: think about mel? 131 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 3: Emily, what do you think about mel? Caroline asked all 132 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 3: five of them. 133 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 5: So it is a it is a documented right after 134 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 5: they met, what do they think about him? And they 135 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 5: just were like, dear Lord, please don't let my mom 136 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 5: be in a relationship with him. 137 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: Wow. 138 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 5: So they are clicking their heels right about now, so 139 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 5: grateful that he's not a part of our lives. 140 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 4: Wow. 141 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: Wow, I know when you came home you were just 142 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure in a certain way, not even feeling like yourself. 143 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: What everything that you just witnessed and decided to do. 144 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: What did the girls say to you at that point? 145 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 5: Thank God you didn't that's exactly And. 146 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 4: Did you feel that way? 147 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 5: Then? Excuse I'm so glad you're actually talking about this 148 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 5: because this has been one of those mind shifts that 149 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 5: I've had to deal with. I can't help None of 150 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 5: my friends know what happened. My kids know what happened, 151 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 5: and they hated him, So there was really nobody in 152 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,679 Speaker 5: my life that was able to talk about and help 153 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 5: me process. I mean they did, but in a different 154 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 5: way that it really was a heartbreak for me. Like 155 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 5: I had hoped that this man that I had met 156 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 5: and I watched The Bachelor shore up and create these 157 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 5: dates and this you know who I thought he was, 158 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 5: and now I decided to leave. It's still a heartbreak. 159 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 5: Even though that was my decision to walk away. 160 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 3: I was really invested. I really hope that that was 161 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 3: going to be him. 162 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, so I I know you've answered this on 163 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 2: other shows, but just once and for all, because our 164 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: podcast is the definitive answer to all things. Send me 165 00:07:55,480 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: a Now do you regret? And you know I asked 166 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 2: you this privately, but let's do it on the podcast. 167 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: Do you regret not going to the fantasy suite with him? 168 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 2: Do you think things would have been different had you gone? 169 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 5: I learned what I needed to know before going to 170 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 5: the Fantasy suite, and could he have filled in some 171 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 5: of the details, some of the intricacies. Of course, like 172 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 5: we have. Like I said before, we have a lifetime 173 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 5: of learning ahead of us. I knew enough at that time, 174 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 5: but he was not, like we are not aligned. 175 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm just going to say now for everyone 176 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 2: listening that I don't really know what's going on in 177 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 2: the world of mel and Peg because they have blocked me. 178 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 2: And I don't know why. I just putting it out there. 179 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: But I have a question about when I heard mel On, 180 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 2: Ben and Ashley's podcast, he said that all you wanted 181 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 2: was marriage. I didn't hear that. I want you to 182 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: clarify that too, did Is that what you said? You 183 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 2: just wanted marriage? 184 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 5: No? No, that's not No, it's not what I wanted. 185 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 5: And I didn't even necessarily need an engagement by the 186 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 5: end of the week. But this man hadn't thought about 187 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 5: his life with anybody in it. He was admitted to 188 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 5: admittedly to kind of figure out what he wants. I don't. Okay, 189 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 5: he and peg have found each other and water finds 190 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 5: its own level, and so I think that they are 191 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 5: well They are well matched. They want exactly nothing, the same, 192 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 5: They want no responsibility, no, and they may move forward, 193 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 5: they may change their minds, more power to them. I've 194 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 5: spent a lot of time and a lot of energy 195 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 5: focusing on knowing what I want, and I already learned 196 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 5: that's that's that's not what I wanted, and so I 197 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 5: too have been blocked by Pegan Mouth. You have a 198 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 5: long time. It's been a blessing for me. I do 199 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 5: hear what's going on, because Bachelor Nation is a real thing, 200 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 5: and I have people who are watching my back from Afar, 201 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 5: people who don't know me, who will kind of message 202 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 5: me and say, hey, this is what they're saying, and 203 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 5: this is a rumor that they're spreading and just let 204 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 5: me know. And I appreciate that, but I'm really grateful 205 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 5: not to have to witness this firsthand, because if they 206 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 5: were so happy, they just need to move on and 207 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 5: leave me out of it. I've given my perspective, I've 208 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 5: been asked to give more perspective. I've told the truth, 209 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 5: and you may have a different perspective, and you're allowed 210 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 5: to have a different perspective, but you can't argue with truth. 211 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: I have a question for you on the show. Did 212 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: you and Peg have a relationship? Was she one of 213 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: the ones that you were closer to or had fun 214 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 1: with or shared stories with or no. 215 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 3: She is the only one in the house that I 216 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 3: stayed away from. 217 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 5: And I don't know how much I want to go 218 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 5: into it, but it was interesting to see the edits 219 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 5: come out this sho season about Nicole, because in my opinion, 220 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 5: Nicole was not the problem of the house. And but 221 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 5: I have great friends. 222 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 3: Up and down. 223 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 5: It's not like I was isolated. I've got some very 224 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 5: good friends, and I wish Peg nothing but the best. 225 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 5: She didn't do anything to me, but she certainly was was, 226 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 5: you know, kind of had some ill intent and try 227 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 5: to lay evil in the lives of some other women 228 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 5: that I didn't appreciate and I didn't trust her. 229 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: Now, you know, you can't say that without I mean, 230 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 2: you've got to explain what that means, because if I 231 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 2: Peg listened to this, I would say whoa, whoa. So 232 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: you can't get defensive yeah, yeah, I mean, I listen, 233 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 2: I don't know why she blocked me. All I've ever 234 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 2: done is wished them both. Well, I think I'm guilty 235 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 2: by association with you, Cindy, so you know it's your fault, 236 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 2: But seriously, what is the thing that can you Can 237 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: you expand on that a little. 238 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: Bit o board, Did any of the other women feel 239 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: the same way? 240 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 5: Well, yes, and I think one other woman in particular 241 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 5: has already spoken out on social media that Peg bullied 242 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 5: her in the house, and so I'll let her speak 243 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 5: to her moment. But you know, here, Okay, this is 244 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 5: what I want to say for all of you youngers 245 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,479 Speaker 5: out there who believe that this doesn't happen, that bullying 246 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 5: and mean girl behavior doesn't happen when you're golden, You're wrong. 247 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 5: The only thing that changes is we have enough wisdom 248 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 5: and we have enough history to maybe respond differently to it. 249 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 5: So I don't want to get into it. I think 250 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 5: that Peg has some very amazing redeeming qualities to her, 251 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 5: and we all do, and we all have those sides 252 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 5: of us that, you know, we may need to still 253 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 5: work on. And as a golden, as somebody who knows better, 254 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 5: I choose better, and some people are still stuck in 255 00:12:54,080 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 5: their patterns of bullying and try to manipulate. And honestly, 256 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 5: that's how I feel that she's behaving with me. She's 257 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 5: trying to play this with me too. And I've told 258 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 5: my kids, you know, you can let a bully bullyeve 259 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 5: for so long, but at some point, how long do 260 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 5: you allow it to continue? And a my podcast today 261 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 5: to say this is I'm putting a stop to it today. 262 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 5: She's going to have to put a stop to it. 263 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 5: She's going to have to stop talking about it. I 264 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 5: have done nothing but be flattering and positive about Mel 265 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 5: and Peg and you missed them. 266 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 4: Well, yes, yes. 267 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 2: So here's my question, Cindy, why, because it's actually is 268 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: my question, why do you think when I've listened to Mel, 269 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 2: particularly Mel on other podcasts, he really does just to 270 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 2: show and keep up with younger people, he casts a 271 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: lot of shade on you, And I'm trying to figure 272 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 2: out why. What's your take on that? Why do you 273 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 2: think he does that? Because theoretically he's very happy with Peg. 274 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 4: Why bother? 275 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 2: Why bother? Like that's me if I met the guy 276 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 2: of my dreams and I'm still hoping he's around the corner. 277 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be wasting time talking about the runner up 278 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: of anything. I would just be moved on. So what's 279 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 2: your take on that? 280 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, let me let me go one step further. 281 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 5: If you're in love with Peg, it's always been Peg. 282 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 5: Why do you give a flip if I walked out 283 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 5: on you? 284 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my question. 285 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 5: What it is? 286 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 2: That's my question. Why do you think that? 287 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 5: I think both cannot be true and he's going to 288 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 5: have to figure out, you know, which one it is. 289 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 5: But you can't make both of them true. And I 290 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 5: think that there's enough in there. Let's just go back 291 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,359 Speaker 5: and watch the show. Watch the show, listen to the podcast. 292 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 5: I think that it's pretty evident that, you know, he 293 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 5: now has a very strong relationship with Peg. More power 294 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 5: to them. But it was not always that way. It 295 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 5: was not from the get go. It was it was 296 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 5: not from the cheer, it was not from the just 297 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 5: whatever he wants to try to say like that, it 298 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 5: just wasn't. So I don't know, sometimes you just can't. 299 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 4: I don't know. 300 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 5: You could talk to me about your perspective, but this, 301 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 5: the truth is still the truth. 302 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: And what makes me happy is you've moved on, that 303 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: is finished, that chapter is closed, and now it's about you. 304 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 5: It's about it is, But let mean, come on, it's 305 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 5: just a little hard. It's not like I haven't lost 306 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 5: sleep over. 307 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 2: You know. 308 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 5: Peg posted something on She's All Batch that she wanted 309 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 5: to go on the podcast. She asked to go on 310 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 5: the podcast, which, by the way, you know, as a 311 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 5: ring winner, you should be invited. I wonder why she 312 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 5: wasn't invited to start with, but you know she was. 313 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 5: She posted that I was lying and that the truth 314 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 5: will come out, and then there was a what were 315 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 5: lying about? What we. 316 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: Swear to God we say the same thing? What were 317 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: you about? 318 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 5: I encourage you to go watch She's All Batch again 319 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 5: and in my episode with them and her episode, and 320 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 5: there's nothing that she can point to. 321 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 2: She didn't say what you were lying about? 322 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 5: I didn't. 323 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 3: I know, I have no clarity about it, and I 324 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 3: listened with intent. 325 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 4: Do you guys know you guys? 326 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 5: Have you guys have listened? What would you know? 327 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 4: I know I didn't get it listen. 328 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: I'm trying to still figure out why I got blocked 329 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 2: by both of you are blocked. I find trouble all 330 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: By myself. I don't need you know, I have no idea. 331 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 2: I'm blocked. 332 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: This is what I don't understand. Because you wish them well. 333 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: I've seen you, I've heard you. It's been printed. Yes, 334 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: you wish them no ill whatsoever. They found each other, 335 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: good for them, and we're all genuinely happy for them. Yes, 336 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: why you people were blocked You've never made any kind 337 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: of ill statement or I don't understand. 338 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 5: I think it's for the best. And I'm glad she's 339 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 5: not looking at my stuff, I mean the last her 340 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 5: stuff either, So it's it's a win win in my opinion. 341 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't think it serves any purpose 342 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 2: for you. I don't know. Last when I met Melan 343 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 2: and Peg, we had great conversations. My son went to Michigan. 344 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 2: He went to Michigan. 345 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 4: He was asking you something about your son's dorm. 346 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, like a ten minute conversation about what dorm my 347 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 2: son was in a Missig. I was like, hell, I 348 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 2: don't remember, but anyway, I you. 349 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 5: Know, there's that part is also that I don't want 350 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 5: it to cause a division in the cast. You guys know, 351 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 5: coming off the show, people are just trying to get 352 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 5: back to their lives. This is surreal, you know. I've 353 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 5: had some great conversations with the women in the house. 354 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 5: Because I was separated from them until my last episode, 355 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 5: I couldn't tell them really what was going on. And 356 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 5: I'm enjoying the reconnection and I would hate for any 357 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 5: of them to feel that they can't be friends with 358 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 5: PEG if they're friends with me and can't. 359 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 2: Are you good friends with a lot of the women 360 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 2: from your season? 361 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 5: I would say. 362 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 4: So, I would who do you talk to like regularly? 363 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 4: Or that's a lot more. 364 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 5: I just got back from an extended trip. I went 365 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 5: to see Carol, Amy, Jerry, and Robin. 366 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 2: I wish I was I know too too. 367 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 5: It was so much fun. We just laughed and giggled 368 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 5: and it was truly just a gift to be in 369 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 5: their presence. Then I went to back to La to 370 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 5: see my daughter and see some other friends, and then 371 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 5: I went to Vegas and saw Carla and Mylene and 372 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 5: we had a heck of a time. And of course, 373 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 5: like Kathy, because of the weather, her flight got changed 374 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 5: and she ended up flying through Vegas and we ironically 375 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 5: were on the same flight coming home. 376 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 2: And I got blocked right after that, so again Syndy, 377 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 2: it's your fault, that's well. 378 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 5: And then I'm friends with Diane. We FaceTime with Diane 379 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 5: while we were there. I see, of course Roxanne lives 380 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 5: in town. I'm going to Denver and I'll see Debbie 381 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 5: and Cheryl. I'm planning on going to Miami and see 382 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 5: Nicole and and Alexandra. I talked to both Monica's very frequently. 383 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: So who isn't it nice that you made friends at 384 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: this stage in life? 385 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 5: I mean, and you know, it's so cool, Susan. Everyone 386 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 5: is so different, so different, but they are so present 387 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 5: in their lives. It's just been a treat to get 388 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 5: to know these women, and I truly, I truly cherish it. 389 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 5: It is the love story for me of the the 390 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 5: whole season for sure, is getting to know these. 391 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 2: Women before we move on from all this. Cindy, I 392 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 2: want to give you one more chance, because we know 393 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 2: that Peg was on Ben's and Ashley's podcast and then 394 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 2: Mel they both asked to come on, and it didn't 395 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 2: play really well. Peg sort of said that, you know, 396 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 2: they hadn't lived long enough to really know life, and 397 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: and that didn't sit well, and it wouldn't have sat 398 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: well with me. 399 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 4: Either Wait, they haven't lived long enough. 400 00:19:54,280 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 2: To peg sort of insinuated that h in Ben particularly bad. 401 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 2: You know, they've then been through divorce. They hadn't been 402 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 2: through enough life to really have right, which which in 403 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 2: my mind is just ridiculous because we've all had suffered 404 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 2: loss and it may look different. We've had these conversations 405 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 2: and there's no particular age that you read right. But Cindya, 406 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 2: just before we move on, is there is there anything 407 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 2: else that you want to say that you feel like 408 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 2: we'll put this to rest once and for all, Because 409 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 2: they have been very vocal on a lot of podcasts 410 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 2: and very critical of you, and I personally know you 411 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 2: very well and think you're a fantastic human being. 412 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 4: But I want to know the answer to Kathy. 413 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: How could anybody be critical of her because of her decision? 414 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: I mean, she has nothing to do with their relationship. 415 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: I don't understand. I don't need where that comes from. 416 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 2: I don't either, But that goes back to what I 417 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,719 Speaker 2: said Susan. If they're so happy, why are they throwing 418 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 2: shade on Cindy? Why? I don't understand? And you know, 419 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 2: maybe I'll get an answer if I ever get unblocked. 420 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 2: But in the meantime, Cindy, is there something that you know, 421 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,479 Speaker 2: you feel like you want to say that could maybe 422 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 2: put this to rest and walk off into the sunset. 423 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 3: Well, I made my choice to leave. I learned enough. 424 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 5: I wanted something different. I am glad that I left 425 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 5: Mel in her capable hands and that they found their happiness. 426 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 5: And I'm glad I left. I'm glad I left before 427 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 5: fantasy sweets. I meant for something, I'm meant for something else. 428 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 5: I'm not meant for the relationship that I was seeing 429 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 5: with Mel. And he has found happiness, and I just 430 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 5: wish that they would just have their happiness and leave 431 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 5: me out of it. I've not brought them into it. 432 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 5: I've not talked shade about them. I do wish Mel 433 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 5: the very best. I said it from the get go, 434 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 5: I still say it, and it's just time to It's 435 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 5: just time to move on. 436 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 4: Move on, move on. 437 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: Now that all that is done, tell me about you're 438 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: dating today? 439 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 4: Done? 440 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 2: She needs a black book and try to fill there. 441 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 5: You know, life is complicated, and I am I feel 442 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,239 Speaker 5: that I will find my partner one day. And do 443 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 5: I feel as close? I'm not sure. I'm not confident 444 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 5: about that. So I'm just kind of going through the 445 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 5: different stages that you go through as you try people. 446 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 3: And I'm you know. 447 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 5: I'm dating, I'm dating. I'm dating. I'm dating some local 448 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 5: people and some people from out of town, some people 449 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 5: that I met from the show, and some people I 450 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:43,719 Speaker 5: have met through friends. 451 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 3: And yeah, I'm dating nice. 452 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 4: Nice. So you never had to go on a dating site. 453 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: They're just reaching out to you, of course I did. 454 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 5: I Actually, Amy and I had a joke. She dates 455 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 5: a lot too, and she's been I hope she's okay 456 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 5: sharing it me sharing this, but she and I were 457 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 5: talking about going on Hinge and letting Jared. 458 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 3: Freed kind of scream our profiles. 459 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,239 Speaker 4: Let him to do one for you. Yeah, right, so 460 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 4: you can take a look at it. 461 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think it'd be funny. 462 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 5: And and so I'm not opposed to the dating apps. 463 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 5: I think the dating apps can be train some bad 464 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 5: behaviors sometimes, so I have to be extra careful of 465 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 5: how I screamed the guys. But I've found some of 466 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 5: my favorite people on the dating apps, and so and 467 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 5: some of my favorite people my friends are on the 468 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 5: dating apps, so I. 469 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 3: Can't I can't bash them. I don't know that that's 470 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 3: for me, but you know. 471 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 4: I think people get on and get off. 472 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and so it's the same people back 473 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 2: on again. It's frightening. Uh, Sindy, what's next for you? What? 474 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 2: What do you have planned for this year? What's going on? 475 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 5: Can I say? Real quick? Back to dating? So, I 476 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 5: feel that I have spent a lot of my life 477 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 5: chasing relationships, and I have more confidence than ever just 478 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 5: being okay being single. And if I find somebody whose 479 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 5: short term, if I find somebody long term, both would 480 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 5: be great options. And if I never find someone, it's 481 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 5: a pretty good option. 482 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 3: I was around. 483 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 5: I had an experience at church where there's this guy 484 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 5: who was pretty annoying that I was around a friend 485 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 5: with her husband, and I'm going, yea, does every day 486 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 5: you have to deal with that every day? 487 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 4: Be careful what we wish for you. 488 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 5: Yeah. So I'm going to walk into it with my 489 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 5: eyes wide open, and I'll be honest with you. I 490 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 5: look at my season with mel and realize how close 491 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 5: I got to partnering myself with a man who now 492 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 5: no chance, he's not meant for me. So it gives 493 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 5: me extra pause, and it's gonna take me maybe a 494 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 5: little extra time to have a look. 495 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 2: And wait, are you saying that you don't. I'm a 496 00:24:58,760 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 2: little confused, are you? 497 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 5: I think that I part of me is evaluating whether 498 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 5: I still trust my instincts, right, I try. That's why 499 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 5: I left with Mel. I trust with my instincts with Mel. 500 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 5: But I may have a couple of Margarita's with my 501 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 5: kids and ask them how they feel. 502 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 3: Before I make it to another fantasy. 503 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: But coming off the show, I think all of us, 504 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: you fall in love with who you really are. You 505 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: are proud of who you are, and we are good 506 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: on our own. Of course, you want somebody to share 507 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: your good times in life with, but if you don't, 508 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: you're good just who you are, and we. 509 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 5: Should recognize that we still have people to share. 510 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 4: Our lives with. 511 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 5: You know, I have friends, children, I have Emily now 512 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 5: my son in law is. I have friends, I have 513 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 5: my family, I have. 514 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 2: You have me, Cindy. 515 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 5: As I was saying, I have my extended bachelor family, 516 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 5: and I don't discount that anymore. I'm not thinking that 517 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 5: what would be better is to have a partner. All 518 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 5: of this sufficient and the sufficiency of my relationships currently 519 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 5: will you guys should cheer super loud if I ever 520 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 5: connect my life to someone else, because it means that 521 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 5: he was extra special to supersede my relationships with all 522 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 5: of you guys, or to at least come into parody. 523 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 2: Well, and I don't think it has to be. I 524 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 2: don't think it has to be in either or, Cindy. 525 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 2: I think the relationships, again, unless you've walked this journey 526 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 2: of bachelor, you don't really understand the friendships and the 527 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 2: relationships that we all have. But I also think, at 528 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 2: least I'm speaking for myself, there's room in my life, 529 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 2: there's room in Susan's life, and I think there's room 530 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 2: in your life too, Cindy, for that special person. It's 531 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 2: just it has to meet he has to meet expectations. 532 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 5: Absolutely. That is so concisely and well said. 533 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: And what I admire about you, Cindy is you knew 534 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: what you wanted, you know what you need, and it 535 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: wasn't there, and you made that decision. 536 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you, Susan, would you have walked off? 537 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 2: I don't think I admire you, Cindy. I don't think 538 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 2: I could have done it. I've thought about that. I 539 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 2: don't think I could have done it, Cidy, and that 540 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 2: tells me that you did do it. How clearly you 541 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: knew he wasn't for you. 542 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 6: I'm not sure I want to tell how clearly we 543 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 6: all saw because her questions he couldn't, he couldn't commit, 544 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 6: he couldn't he the one word answers it was just. 545 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you for saying that. You know it's It 546 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 5: was one of the harder things I've found myself doing. 547 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 5: And as you guys know, taping the show like there's 548 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 5: no they don't give you a script, No, you're really 549 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 5: this is really my relationship that is playing out, and 550 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 5: somebody else is watching me because there's some there's a 551 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 5: cameraman and a lighting crew and my person who an 552 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 5: audio career who were recording it. But it was every 553 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 5: bit my life. And I remember sitting on the dock 554 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 5: having this conversation going, what can I do. I've got 555 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 5: to get I'm not staying like I'm not and I'm 556 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 5: not gonna let him pull that fantasy card out and 557 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 5: ask me to call the fantasy suite. 558 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 2: With him, okay, And I turned him down then, and 559 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 2: turn him down I can't. 560 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, we have so much more to get into with Cindy. 561 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: Make sure you stay tuned for a Part two and 562 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: keep listening to Bachelor Happy Hour, Golden Hour, and make 563 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: sure to subscribe as you'll never miss another episode.