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Speaker 4: My boyfriend keeps criticizing my weight, so I ditched him

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Speaker 4: at my birthday dinner. He doesn't get to stay for

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Speaker 4: the dinner. If he's gonna talk.

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Speaker 1: He's left in the ditch.

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Speaker 4: Leave him to preface, I'd say I'm a relatively fit person.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't call myself a jim rat, but with a

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Speaker 4: super muscular body type. But I do make an effort

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Speaker 4: to lift weights a couple times a week, and I

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Speaker 4: regularly go on runs to stay active. I'm five to

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Speaker 4: five and around one fifteen pounds, which I've always considered

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Speaker 4: an acceptable weight for my height.

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Speaker 3: By the way, this.

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Speaker 4: Comes from deleted on the Okay Storytime subre it. My

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Speaker 4: boyfriend and I have been dating for about six months.

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Speaker 4: For a bit of context, we're both East Asian, but

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Speaker 4: I was born and raised in Canada, so I guess

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Speaker 4: I'm a bit more low or whitewashed. Well, he's an

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Speaker 4: international student who came here a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 4: We started dating through mutual friends, and he was the

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Speaker 4: one who pursued me in the beginning. My primary language

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Speaker 4: is English, but we communicate in Chinese since that's what

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Speaker 4: he's comfortable with. Thus a lot of what I'm saying

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Speaker 4: here is translated into English. I want to believe he's

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Speaker 4: supportive of me, and for the most part he is.

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Speaker 4: He really has been an amazing boyfriend and does all

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Speaker 4: the right things. But there have been something he's said

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Speaker 4: or done that I'm honestly confused about. For example, he's

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Speaker 4: never directly criticized my body, but he's made some comments

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Speaker 4: that have thrown me off. That's not a good start.

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Speaker 4: He's never, how right, said that he hates my body,

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Speaker 4: but you know, he makes some jokes about it. I'm

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Speaker 4: slowly raising the red flag in my.

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Speaker 3: Hands, yet it's not sounding great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: A while back he told me I have a lot

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Speaker 4: of meat on me than other girls back in his

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Speaker 1: Which ate and some that could be a compliment. All right,

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Speaker 1: I hope it didn't get lost in translation.

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Speaker 4: She's like, I get a lot of meat on you.

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Speaker 3: You gotta let a meat on your bone, Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I honestly had no idea how to take that. I

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Speaker 3: don't know how I would respond to that.

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Speaker 1: Ain't because he's is he from China, so like I guess,

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Speaker 1: mainland China. They're a little little slimmer over there, I guess.

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Speaker 1: But hey, maybe he's like I wish they got a

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Speaker 4: I mean, I've never thought of myself as someone with

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Speaker 4: a lot of meat. I have some muscle, sure, but

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Speaker 4: I'm generally on the slim side. Even now, I'm still

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Speaker 4: not sure if that was meant as a compliment or

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Speaker 4: some kind of subtle critique. But then there's other times

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Speaker 4: he's more direct about his opinions on small things like.

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Speaker 1: What I eat.

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Speaker 4: If we're out at a restaurant, he'll make little comments

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Speaker 4: like maybe you shouldn't order that, or let's split this oot.

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Speaker 1: It's a compliment anymore, it sounds like pretty much not

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Speaker 1: a compliment.

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Speaker 4: That freaking sucks, and he oftentimes tries to portion out

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Speaker 4: my food for me and stops me from eating the

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Speaker 4: entire meal. He's also lightly that I should go on

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Speaker 4: a diet a couple of times, which catches me off

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Speaker 4: He's never enforced it directly, but expressed it as a

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Speaker 4: soft piece of advice. I have always been very health

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Speaker 4: conscious and already avoid lots of processed or otherwise unhealthy foods.

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Speaker 4: I know I'm not alone in seeing these as red flags,

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Speaker 4: but he always frames it like he's just looking out

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Speaker 3: In my health. That is so annoying.

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Speaker 4: I've been in situations where people have given me unwanted

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Speaker 4: advice about, you know, my body, and I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Keep your mouth shut.

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Speaker 4: If you have not the nice to say keep your

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Speaker 4: mouth shut, he goes lips it. Sometimes when I wear

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Speaker 4: after a bit. He never misses a chance to point

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Speaker 4: them out, saying things like, is the skirt really that

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, this is more annoying than if he

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Speaker 3: You're fat. I think this is so annoying, absurd. This

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Speaker 4: Tight on you, otherwise it would fall off with a

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Speaker 4: judgmental tone. I've always known that he values a person's looks,

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Speaker 4: but we've stayed in a relationship for months, and he

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Speaker 4: was the one who pursued me, so I always thought

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Speaker 4: he was ultimately happy with who I am as a person.

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Speaker 4: The conversation that really left me confused happened recently at

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Speaker 4: a restaurant on my birthday. We had decided to go

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Speaker 4: on one. It started when we were looking at the

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Speaker 4: menu and I was excited to order a stake I'd

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Speaker 4: been craving. But as soon as I mentioned it, he

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Speaker 4: immediately said, are you sure you want to get that?

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Speaker 4: Maybe you should go for something lighter, like a salad.

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Speaker 4: Maybe you should shut up, maybe you should go into space.

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Speaker 3: I brushed it off.

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Speaker 4: At first, thinking maybe he was just trying to be

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Speaker 4: health conscious again, but he kept pushing, saying things like,

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Speaker 4: you shou be careful with what you eat. Don't you

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Speaker 4: think this is also on her birthday? Is on her

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Speaker 4: freaking birthday?

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Speaker 1: This is the most annoying guy ever.

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Speaker 4: It was frustrating, especially because I was looking forward to

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Speaker 4: the steak, but he kept insisting I should choose something

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Speaker 4: less heavy. I raised my tone a little bit, but honestly,

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Speaker 4: I just didn't have the patience to deal with it

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Speaker 4: that day, and your girl really just wanted some steak.

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Speaker 4: I finally couldn't take it anymore and bluntly told him

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Speaker 4: that if he had such an issue with what I

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Speaker 4: wanted to eat or my weight, then maybe we shouldn't

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Speaker 4: be dating. He didn't even seem phased by it, almost

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Speaker 4: like he was expecting me to be okay with it.

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Speaker 4: He casually leaned back in his chair and said, well,

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Speaker 4: I usually prefer girls who weigh between forty five kilograms

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Speaker 4: and forty eight kilograms, because that's what looks right for

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Speaker 4: someone your height. It's just the ideal weight for you.

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Speaker 4: Who says that to a person.

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Speaker 1: A despicable human like I prefer girls who weigh between

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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty eight and one hundred and thirty

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Speaker 1: four pounds. And based on your hyper I think that

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Speaker 1: you need to actually order this other meal.

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Speaker 3: It's like, here, let's take your measurements.

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Speaker 4: He said it so matter of factly, almost like he

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Speaker 4: was giving me some kind of advice, as if it

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Speaker 4: was completely normal for me to fall into those exact numbers.

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Speaker 4: I was absolutely floored the way he said it. It

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Speaker 4: was like my body wasn't even good enough the way

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Speaker 4: it was. I didn't even know how to respond, because

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Speaker 4: I've always thought of myself as healthy. I work hard

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Speaker 4: to stay fit, and I've even had people tell me

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Speaker 4: I'm on the slimmer side. I mean again, she's five

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Speaker 4: to five at one fifteen, Like, regardless of if she

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Speaker 4: was not, that it doesn't matter, But like, this is

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Speaker 4: someone who is conventionally and you know, in the like

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Speaker 4: societally seen as thine, that is thin. To hear him

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Speaker 4: casually lay out such a specific and insulting weight preference

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Speaker 4: felt like a slap in the face. Why are you

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Speaker 4: pursuing people that you don't fall in line with your preferences?

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Speaker 1: Well, it's because he does that. He goes, I can

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Speaker 1: fix the eyes.

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Speaker 3: I am your trainer. Now I'm gonna make you underweight

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Speaker 4: It was like he was saying I wasn't attractive or

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Speaker 4: weight that was basically below what's considered healthy for my height.

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Speaker 4: I was so shocked. I just couldn't wrap my mind

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Speaker 4: around how cold and critical he was being. I also

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Speaker 4: struggled a lot with an eating disorder in my teens,

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Speaker 4: so hearing this just completely threw me off the rails

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Speaker 4: and I felt devastated. At that point, I couldn't hold

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Speaker 4: it in anymore. I was so hurt and frustrated. I

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Speaker 4: told him, if I'm not your ideal girl, then maybe

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Speaker 4: you shouldn't date me. YEA, if I'm too heavy for you,

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Speaker 4: maybe we should just break up. I was so upset,

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Speaker 4: and honestly, I didn't know what else to say. It

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Speaker 4: felt like I was being treated like I wasn't good

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Speaker 4: enough the way I was. When I asked him why

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Speaker 4: he'd be dating me then, if he preferred girls with

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Speaker 4: that specific body type, he just shrugged and said, because

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Speaker 4: you're a pretty girl. But then he added, almost as

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Speaker 4: an afterthought, that I was still a little too chubby

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Speaker 4: for my liking. Wow, this guy is so horrible.

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Speaker 1: He treats his his girls like they're like rocks that

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Speaker 1: he finds on. This could be pretty rock. So I

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Speaker 1: picked you up, I put you in my pocket, But

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Speaker 1: you could still be prettier pretty rock.

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Speaker 4: You're not the prettiest rock I've ever found. I'll have

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Speaker 4: to have to put you in one of those rock tumblers.

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Speaker 4: It was like a punch in the gut. I've never

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Speaker 4: thought of myself as chubby before, and hearing it from

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Speaker 4: someone I care about just made it worse. Then, to

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Speaker 4: top it off, he asked if I'd ever considered losing

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Speaker 4: a couple of pounds. Yeah, she's considering losing like probably

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Speaker 4: like one sixty pounds, you know, just just.

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Speaker 3: Dropping those off, just down to zero.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because she's gonna get rid of her boyfriend. Oh yes,

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Speaker 4: I told him how his comments were making me feel

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Speaker 4: awful about myself and how I couldn't believe he was

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Speaker 4: judging me like this. I stood up, grabbed my things,

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Speaker 4: and walked out of the restaurant. By the way, you

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Speaker 4: can walk into our lives every weekday at three PMPST

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Speaker 4: on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: Just tap our profile. That's right, we don't want you

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Speaker 3: walking out walking in.

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Speaker 4: Since then, he's been blowing up my phone with messages

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Speaker 4: and calls apologizing. But honestly, I'm still so angry and hurt.

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Speaker 3: But you know that's got to be so satisfying though.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, Oh, he's begging.

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Speaker 1: You, freaking loser. Does this pathetic loser be like, I

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Speaker 1: didn't mean it. I realized my imagine.

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Speaker 3: That I shouldn't have said that out loud.

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Speaker 1: I realized my ideal type is actually fifty five to

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Speaker 1: fifty eight.

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Speaker 4: He says that I'm overreacting and that he's trying to

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Speaker 4: make me the best version of myself. I don't know

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Speaker 4: if he genuinely understands why his words were so damaging,

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Speaker 4: or if he's just trying to avoid confrontation. I'm really

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Speaker 4: unsure about where we stand right now. Should I have

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Speaker 4: been more patient with him? Are his standards normal?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: Do all guys think this way?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: Or is it just him?

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Speaker 4: He's really been an amazing boyfriend apart from this, And

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm overreacting or if this is

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Speaker 4: something that is worth breaking up over. It is absolutely

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Speaker 4: worth breaking up over, and that is the end of

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, the night of my paid time off starting,

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Speaker 3: Just go, please go, I just go. You just go,

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Speaker 3: Well, I pull up to the.

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Speaker 1: this point while standing in the driveway, still no answer.

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00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,600
Speaker 1: At this point, I assumed the worst Stepdad comes out

440
00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,760
Speaker 1: and asks me to leave, as they don't want to

441
00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,560
Speaker 1: get involved with whatever is happening.

442
00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,040
Speaker 3: So I take a deep breath and leave.

443
00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,359
Speaker 1: Girlfriend reaches back out about twenty minutes later, asking me

444
00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:28,800
Speaker 1: what's wrong, and I ask her.

445
00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,080
Speaker 3: Why she just lied to me about all the crap

446
00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:31,679
Speaker 3: this morning.

447
00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,920
Speaker 1: Then she tells me that the guy's dad just passed

448
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,080
Speaker 1: and she didn't know he was outside her job and

449
00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,960
Speaker 1: he's a close friend and that's why he's over and

450
00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:41,040
Speaker 1: she was in the shower.

451
00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,399
Speaker 3: That's why she didn't answer that she was in the shower.

452
00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,520
Speaker 1: This is like the classic like excuse you used to

453
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:49,440
Speaker 1: get out of work.

454
00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:54,720
Speaker 2: Come, This is like like like my great grandma on

455
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,760
Speaker 2: my mother's second side, like past and it's like, yeah, no,

456
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,920
Speaker 2: oh he's here because he's mom dad whatever somebody did.

457
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 3: This was the case.

458
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 4: The parents would say, she's you know, comforting a friend

459
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,800
Speaker 4: who just lost someone. Exactly if this was the case,

460
00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,760
Speaker 4: she wouldn't have asked, oh, is there a car out there?

461
00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,800
Speaker 4: Because she she said that she didn't know that he

462
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,560
Speaker 4: was coming, So how does she know there would be

463
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:16,120
Speaker 4: a car out there?

464
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:16,720
Speaker 1: Exactly?

465
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,200
Speaker 3: No, this exact liar, lie, no trust liar.

466
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,000
Speaker 1: She said she was in the shower and that's why

467
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,399
Speaker 1: she didn't answer the phone, and I effing lost my crap,

468
00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,920
Speaker 1: to say the least, and pointed out all the weird

469
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,399
Speaker 1: crap that happened, which I think we just did. Yeah,

470
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,639
Speaker 1: now she's telling me that nothing happened and she didn't

471
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 1: do anything wrong. And by the way, I'll never tell

472
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 1: y'all that you did anything wrong by joining us live

473
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 1: on YouTube every weekday at three pm PSD. Just tap

474
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,440
Speaker 1: our probra. It's only ever right.

475
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 3: It's the only right thing you can do, every single time.

476
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,160
Speaker 1: After I calmed down, she was still messaging me about this,

477
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,119
Speaker 1: claiming I was also being suspicious with girl clothes, lying

478
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,200
Speaker 1: around and glitter that she found what. Okay, So now

479
00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:00,480
Speaker 1: she's doing the classic projection, I'm rubber in your clue, cheating,

480
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm man like.

481
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 3: Actually, you're the one who's cheating.

482
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 1: I proposed, why not just go through each other's phones

483
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,640
Speaker 1: or let me talk to the friend to get their

484
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 1: story straight. She said no. She said no to the

485
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 1: friend the phone, even even though I also offered her

486
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 1: my phone. Because of a past relationship, she doesn't want

487
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 1: to get to that point. You should never have to

488
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,439
Speaker 1: be at a point where you have to rummage through

489
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:22,159
Speaker 1: each other's phones.

490
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would hope that there would be a level

491
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 4: of trust. It's already a bad sign.

492
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:27,639
Speaker 3: You're already done at that point.

493
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 1: Now we're at a standstill because she's upset that I

494
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 1: don't trust her, and I'm not backing down. Am I

495
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,640
Speaker 1: in a hole for assuming something happened?

496
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:34,880
Speaker 4: Bro?

497
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 1: I think it's much. It's beyond an assumption at this point.

498
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 4: I assume something happens, nothing, something from the beginning of

499
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 4: the story.

500
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 3: That is not an assumption.

501
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 1: Dude, Yeah, that is a At this point, it is

502
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 1: a fact.

503
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 4: We don't know if it's cheating. Both something happens.

504
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 1: Probably it's cheating off that op.

505
00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 4: She stinks flavor to her office. P you, Yeah, my

506
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 4: girlfriend lied to me. She spent the whole day with

507
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 4: another man, the whole day.

508
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 3: The whole day.

509
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: Did she say it was only part of the day.

510
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 3: So a bit of context. I mailed twenty four.

511
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 4: Have been dating my now ex woman twenty one, who

512
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 4: will be referred to as K for roughly a year

513
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 4: and a half up to this point. A few days ago,

514
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 4: having dealt with getting cheated on in high school, I

515
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 4: made it very clear that I tolerate no level of cheating,

516
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 4: any of which would immediately end our relationship. By the way,

517
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,120
Speaker 4: this comes from deleted on the Okay story time suppordays

518
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 4: she stays out of stay for me, but not terribly far,

519
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 4: at only forty five minute drive between us, so we

520
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 4: see each other every other week as we both work

521
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 4: and I'm in college. She informed me a few weeks

522
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 4: prior that she has a friend coming into town and

523
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 4: that he wanted some weed. But they are a medical

524
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 4: only state and I'm in a recreational state, so in turn,

525
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 4: I gave her some pre rolls to give to him

526
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 4: once he gets into town. Now, at this point, I

527
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 4: have no sense of mistrust in k all. She told

528
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 4: to get down about how they were gonna link for

529
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 4: a gym session, and he grabbed the joints and that

530
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 4: be it. I haven't bothered to ask for his name,

531
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 4: what he looks like, et cetera. All I knew was

532
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 4: that they went to high school together, they hadn't seen

533
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 4: each other in a couple of years, and he was

534
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 4: coming into town to visit family. At no exact date.

535
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 4: Now to what happened. A few days ago, I was

536
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 4: getting plans ready for a date we had set up

537
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 4: the next day. Kay told me she had to work

538
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 4: this day, so I was tasked with all the planning.

539
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,479
Speaker 4: I was texting k about it, trying to set up

540
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 4: timeframes of when she'd be here, where to eat, et cetera.

541
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 3: This is what I noticed.

542
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 4: Her Snapchat location was turned off.

543
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: Uh oh, strike, well, snap location, where are you?

544
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 3: I don't know you turned it off?

545
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 4: I asked her what's the deal, and she said she

546
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 4: turned it off for safety concerns since she didn't want

547
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 4: everyone seeing it all the time anymore, which is fair.

548
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 4: I mean everyone can see it on snap.

549
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 1: That is actually the most valid reason I've ever heard.

550
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 4: That's a valid reason. Yeah, this confused me, since she

551
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 4: can choose to just share with me alone. I just

552
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 4: pushed it aside as me being paranoid, until she didn't

553
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 4: respond back to my.

554
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 3: Text for two hours. Maybe she's busy.

555
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: She's in school.

556
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 3: She could be in school for two hours. She could

557
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 3: be now.

558
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 4: For most this won't raise a concern, as she's at work,

559
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 4: she could be busy, etc. But she works at a

560
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 4: small food spot and they have never been busy enough

561
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 4: to the point she doesn't respond for two hours, and

562
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 4: she's always been telling me about how they don't have

563
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 4: a lot of business. Fast forward another hour. As I

564
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 4: was leaving a workout Sash, I see that she still

565
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 4: hadn't replied. I don't know how, but I get a

566
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 4: sinking gut feeling that something's off. There's too too many

567
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 4: red flags to ignore.

568
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 3: That's the gut for you, right there. The gut will

569
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 3: tell you what's right.

570
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 4: The gut always tell you. So I make a decision

571
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 4: to take the forty five minute drive all the way

572
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 4: to her job. When I get there, I don't see

573
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 4: her car outside. I can't write it off yet, as

574
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 4: she's gotten sent home early before due to slow business,

575
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 4: So I drive to her house. She's not there either.

576
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 4: Now I'm alarmed to be sure. I drive all the

577
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 4: way back to her job and walk inside to ask

578
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 4: one of the staff working upfront if kay had been

579
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 4: into work today, they said no. At this point, I'm

580
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 4: mad and I let it get the best of me.

581
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 4: Once I step outside, I immediately text her that I

582
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 4: never want to see her face over again, and I

583
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 4: drive home. In this hastiness, I forgot that the same

584
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 4: food spot has a second location, and that she's sometimes

585
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 4: been staff there but hasn't been recently, which is why

586
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 4: it slipped my mind, which is why we never should

587
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 4: accuse our partners so quickly of cheating without proof. I

588
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 4: get home and I'm still pissed, but I realized I

589
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 4: could have been wrong and acted out too soon, until

590
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 4: she finally responds to my text right at ten oh

591
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 4: seven pm that she just got off her This added

592
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 4: to my level of suspicion because the main location I

593
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 4: visited that she works at closes at ten pm, but

594
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 4: the second location closes at nine.

595
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 3: Now I'm mad. Now I'm extra mad.

596
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 4: She's asking what I meant by that last text and

597
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 4: called me once, which I had. At this point, I

598
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 4: still needed to close all doors to be sure of myself,

599
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 4: so I decided to call her back. I'm under the

600
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 4: impression that she doesn't know I stopped by her job,

601
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 4: so I keep it that way. I ask her why

602
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 4: has she not been responding to me, and she gives

603
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,719
Speaker 4: a comical excuse about how her boss got pissed at

604
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 4: her coworker for being on their phone, so he told

605
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 4: them they couldn't use their phones on shift anymore. That's

606
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 4: a fair excuse. That also happened at my job with people.

607
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 4: I knew this was a BS excuse, but I needed

608
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 4: to catch her slip up, so I trail it to

609
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 4: a normal conversation about her day until she slips up

610
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 4: and says that she's only been working at the main

611
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 4: store this whole pay period, and that sealed it. I

612
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 4: caught her in a lie and finally decided to ask

613
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 4: her the real questions, which went like this boy Me, So, Karen,

614
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 4: where were you actually at all day today? Karen?

615
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 3: What do you mean I was at work all day?

616
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: Me?

617
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 4: I drove to your job and you were there. Again,

618
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 4: Where were you actually at?

619
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 3: Whoa, Karen? I was in the back kitchen with the cooks.

620
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: Me.

621
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 4: I asked your coworker and they said you didn't work.

622
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 3: Today, So where were you actually at all day? Karen? Silence?

623
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 4: And I hang up After about ten seconds of silence.

624
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 3: That was it?

625
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: Ye?

626
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 3: And okay, I was.

627
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 4: Really trying to defend all of these suspicious actions and

628
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 4: like maybe find another answer, but seems like she's cheating.

629
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 3: Nobody takes an hour to close.

630
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 4: Man, it doesn't seem likely that was it. I had

631
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 4: emotionally checked out at that point and was no longer

632
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 4: interested in what she had to say. She tried to

633
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 4: call me and texted me saying to let her explain,

634
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 4: and she said that yes, she had been hanging out

635
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 4: with her friend all day, but nothing happened. She said

636
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 4: that they had gone to the gym, gotten some lunch,

637
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 4: and then decided to get a motel room to smoke

638
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 4: some of the joints because his family didn't like him

639
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 4: smoking his substances and they didn't want to smoke in

640
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 4: their cars either. I'm sorry they rented a hotel to smoke.

641
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 3: We got motel to just to smoke, which also it.

642
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: Was just a can't smoke inside motel room anymore, Like.

643
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 3: They wouldn't let you do that unless you're doing it sneaking.

644
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 3: It's a federal law. That's federal.

645
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: Now. That's nonsense, dude.

646
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 4: I didn't want to hear any of it. She had

647
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 4: lied to me five times already, and I gave her

648
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 4: every opportunity to tell me the truth, and she lied

649
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 4: and expects me to believe anything else she has to say, Yeah,

650
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 4: I'm good on that. Her friend even decided to text

651
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 4: me trying to explain it and wanted to apologize about

652
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 4: trying to do me like that. WHOA, sorry for doing

653
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 4: you like that?

654
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 3: Brother?

655
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: So not my intention. This stupid friend is now texting

656
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: and being like, I mean to do you like that, bro,

657
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: which fully confirms Yeah, Like what bro, how are you

658
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: doing me? What were you doing?

659
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 3: Who are you doing?

660
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: Did you want?

661
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Speaker 4: This just pisses me off even more, Like so you

662
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Speaker 4: both knew and were trying to play me like a fool.

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Speaker 4: He's trying to convince me about how much she cares

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Speaker 4: about me, trying to have a man to man discussion. Meanwhile,

665
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Speaker 4: Kay is trying to talk about how much she's afraid

666
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 4: to lose me in crap. I told Kay that I

667
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Speaker 4: didn't want to hear any of it anymore, and that

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Speaker 4: I want to just end it right there and now,

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00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 4: right there and now, told her I wouldn't even bad

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Speaker 4: mouth her to our mutual friends or anything, but that

671
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Speaker 4: I never wanted to see her again, but I always

672
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Speaker 4: want to see you guys every weekday at three PMPSD

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Speaker 4: on YouTube just top her profile.

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Speaker 1: Not only is she a liar, she's a bad liar.

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Speaker 4: She's a really bad liar. She's outrageously suspicious. She's not

676
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Speaker 4: tried to contact me any further since that night, and

677
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 4: neither has her friend. She took down our couple's photo

678
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 4: on all our social media.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

680
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Speaker 4: And so now I've had some of her mutuals come

681
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Speaker 4: through trying to convince me to talk to her and

682
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 4: walk things out and work things out, but I've shut

683
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Speaker 4: them all down. They keep saying that I don't know

684
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Speaker 4: for certain if Karen and her friend actually did something,

685
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 4: which is true. But in my mind, lying to your

686
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 4: significant other about being at work to spend a day

687
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Speaker 4: with someone they know next to nothing about is cheating.

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Speaker 4: I don't think out, well, it's not outright cheating.

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Speaker 1: You can't. You don't get to just say that it's

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Speaker 1: not just cheating. But I think we can assume, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that she's she wanted to cheat on you, Yes, with

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Speaker 1: this guy, I agree, which is why they were in

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Speaker 1: a hotel room.

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Speaker 4: I mean, why else would she lie? Yeah, come on,

695
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Speaker 4: and buy a motel am I the ale for overreacting,

696
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Speaker 4: and that is the end of that story.

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Speaker 4: I refuse to take care of my niece after she

701
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Speaker 4: called me a slur. Her parents need to take responsibility.

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Speaker 1: Oo.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, take responsibility for your slurs.

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Speaker 1: People, Well, where is she learning these slurs? Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's parents.

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Speaker 4: Hi everyone, I apologize for any errors in my English,

707
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Speaker 4: as it's not my first language. I twenty nine male,

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Speaker 4: and my wife thirty female, have two kids, five male

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Speaker 4: and three male. My wife works a full time office job,

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Speaker 4: while I work from home with extremely flexible hours. Basically,

711
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Speaker 4: as long as I meet my deadlines, no one really

712
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Speaker 4: cares how many hours it took or what time of

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Speaker 4: day I work, outside of some zoom meetings. By the way,

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Speaker 4: this comes from fluff Buffer twenty three on the Okay

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Speaker 4: storytime suburnt it. So my sister twenty six female, let's

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Speaker 4: call her Barb, and her husband thirty male, let's call

717
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Speaker 4: him Nick, live nearby and work full time jobs. They

718
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Speaker 4: have a daughter, five female. Let's call her Tracy. Because

719
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 4: of my comfortable work schedule. When our kids started going

720
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Speaker 4: to daycare, we basically decided that I'll be dropping off

721
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Speaker 4: and picking up my niece from daycare alongside my own kids.

722
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Speaker 4: I didn't really mind, and I thought it was great

723
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Speaker 4: for my kids to spend time with her cousin.

724
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Speaker 3: I get along with.

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Speaker 4: Tracy's well and always thought I was her cool uncle.

726
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Speaker 4: She's a sweet kid and usually well behaved. So anyway,

727
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Speaker 4: most days I bring her and my kids back to

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Speaker 4: our house. I make them snacks or dinner, and in

729
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Speaker 4: the afternoon slash evening, my sister comes to pick them up.

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Speaker 4: A few days ago, the five year old kids were

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Speaker 4: watching Black Louis on the TV as I was preparing

732
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Speaker 4: snacks with my three year old, and I suddenly heard yelling.

733
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Speaker 4: I rushed over to see what's up, and my son

734
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 4: was yelling at her that my dad's not a girl. Well,

735
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 4: my niece yells back, he is. He's an f slur

736
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 4: that's like a girl. The word is different in my language,

737
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Speaker 4: but the meaning holds, as is the distinction between using

738
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Speaker 4: it versus simply addressing a gay person. I'm kind of

739
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 4: in shock at first, but I turned off the TV

740
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Speaker 4: and I sat her down and began explaining that this

741
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 4: is a very bad word and we shouldn't be calling

742
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,719
Speaker 4: people that, and that regardless, I'm not a girl, and

743
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 4: because this is a bad word, she should apologize to me,

744
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 4: because we don't act mean to each other in this family,

745
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Speaker 4: and if I hear this again, I'm going to talk

746
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,719
Speaker 4: to her parents and she's going to get in trouble.

747
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 4: She said she won't get in trouble because that's what

748
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 4: her dad called me. I was stunned. I told her

749
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 4: that regardless of what her dad said, it's a very

750
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Speaker 4: bad word and she's not to use it with me

751
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 4: or in my presence, and that she should apologize regardless

752
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 4: because it hurt my feelings, which she did, because she's

753
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Speaker 4: really a good kid. We talked some more, and I

754
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 4: prodded her about other things her parents said, and from

755
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Speaker 4: what I gather, getting info out of a five year

756
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 4: old being obviously a difficult and unreliable process. Nick, my

757
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 4: brother in law, told my sister in Tracy's presence, that

758
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Speaker 4: men shouldn't be sitting at home all day and doing childcare,

759
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Speaker 4: that cooking is a woman's duty, as is cleaning, and

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Speaker 4: really most of the things I do around my house

761
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Speaker 4: and that I'm a girl. I interpret this as not

762
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Speaker 4: really a man because I do housework and my wife

763
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Speaker 4: earns more money than me. I explained to her the

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Speaker 4: best I could that men and women could work from

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Speaker 4: an office or from home, and that my wife or

766
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Speaker 4: Barb working long hours from the office doesn't make them

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Speaker 4: men and vice versa. But I didn't dwell on it

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Speaker 4: with her since it's not really her fault. But I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's not her fault, but I do think this is

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Speaker 4: It's good that you have that conversation because again, hatred

771
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Speaker 4: is learned, and we need to teach her children at

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Speaker 4: a very young age to be accepting, and that's a

773
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Speaker 4: that's a process that you have to be on top of.

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Speaker 4: I didn't immediately bring it up with my sister because

775
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Speaker 4: I figured it would be a difficult conversation and I

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Speaker 4: didn't want to have it in front of the kids,

777
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Speaker 4: and I wanted to talk it out with my wife

778
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 4: first as well. I did talk to my wife that evening,

779
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Speaker 4: and she seemed really upset as well. I told her

780
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Speaker 4: that I think I should demand an apology from Nick

781
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Speaker 4: and my sister, and she agreed. I called my sister

782
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Speaker 4: and told her what happened, and she said that it's

783
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 4: just a word, and I'm blowing it out of proportion,

784
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Speaker 4: and obviously Nick doesn't dislike me. I said, I don't

785
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Speaker 4: care whether he does or doesn't dislike me. He's talking

786
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Speaker 4: crap about me behind my back to my niece and

787
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Speaker 4: to her, and she's apparently very chill about this. Rather

788
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 4: than standing up for me, she said that was how

789
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 4: Nick was and I should stop being a drama queen.

790
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 4: I told her to f off, and if that was

791
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Speaker 4: how she felt, she could pick up her own child

792
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 4: from daycare and hung up. I know it was really

793
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Speaker 4: short notice and rude, but I really felt like I

794
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 4: was being disrespected by people I did so much for

795
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 4: over the years and were my family. My wife said

796
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Speaker 4: she understood, and then I shouldn't back down until I

797
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 4: at least get a proper apology. Bubbles. Marie says, words

798
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 4: only of the power you give them. However, some words

799
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Speaker 4: have terrible, terrible connotations and histories and shouldn't be used.

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Speaker 4: The next two days were a weekend and there was

801
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 4: no daycare. I assumed there would be calls or texts

802
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Speaker 4: from Barb, but there was nothing In fact, the suspicious

803
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 4: lack of any messages or calls made me think she

804
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 4: didn't take my word seriously, and this actually got me

805
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Speaker 4: even more angry. She obviously doesn't take it seriously, because

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Speaker 4: I mean, just from how she reacted when you told her,

807
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Speaker 4: she was like, add a.

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Speaker 1: Word, yeah, get over it, baby.

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Speaker 4: The calls did come when it was time to pick

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Speaker 4: up Tracy for daycare, and I obviously didn't come. I

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Speaker 4: dropped my own kids off and didn't even answer for

812
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Speaker 4: a while. I know it was petty, but I was

813
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 4: stewing for two days and figured letting Barb stew for

814
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Speaker 4: a few hours seemed really appropriate and felt really good.

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Speaker 4: Around noon, when she called again, I did pick up.

816
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Speaker 4: I was going to smugly tell her that I was

817
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 4: ready for an apology and we were and we would

818
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Speaker 4: put it behind us, but I didn't get to. Instead,

819
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Speaker 4: she went off on me about how I was irresponsible

820
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 4: and I flaked and she was so late for work

821
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 4: because of me, to which I just said, I told

822
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Speaker 4: you I wasn't going to pick her up. You had

823
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Speaker 4: two days to make arrange, and she kept yelling at me,

824
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 4: so I hung up again. Great, No, that's ridiculous for her.

825
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 4: I mean, we know that she's not reasonable.

826
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Speaker 1: How damn how could you do the thing you said

827
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Speaker 1: you would do.

828
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Speaker 4: She kept calling and sending me text about picking Tracy

829
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Speaker 4: up from daycare, to which I said I will not

830
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Speaker 4: be then stopped replying.

831
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Speaker 3: When I came to.

832
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Speaker 4: Pick my kids up, Tracy was expecting me to take

833
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 4: her as well, and I didn't, which was very rough

834
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 4: on me and her both, Like, I know it's not

835
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 4: her fault, and she's five, and she suddenly doesn't get

836
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 4: to go over to our place and play and have snacks.

837
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Speaker 4: But at the same time, I didn't want to just

838
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 4: let things go. I felt like it deserved an apology

839
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Speaker 4: and still do so I explained that me and her

840
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 4: mom were fighting, but I'll pick her up again when

841
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 4: we work it out. She obviously didn't take it well

842
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 4: because she's five, but I apologized, took my kids and

843
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 4: left well. A bit later, I got a call from

844
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Speaker 4: my mom. Barb roped her into picking up Tracy, but

845
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 4: my mom is disabled, so she was having a really

846
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 4: hard time with Tracy and asked me why I was

847
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 4: being mean to Barb. I told her everything, expecting her

848
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 4: to take my side, but instead she also pulled a

849
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 4: you know how Nick is. If everyone knows how Nick is,

850
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 4: why is he still around?

851
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: Yeah?

852
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 3: You know how Nick gets? I hate that.

853
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 4: I literally hate when people are like, oh, it's just

854
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 4: the way they are.

855
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: No, it's just a slur. He's just using slur.

856
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 4: To which I replied that the more I realize how

857
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 4: Nick is, the less I like it. And if he

858
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 4: thinks all this crap in general and about me specifically,

859
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 4: I sure as ef ain't going to be doing free

860
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 4: labor for him. She said I was blowing this all

861
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 4: out of proportion, and I told her I wasn't the

862
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 4: one doing it because all I asked for was an

863
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 4: fing apology, and everyone else seemed to prefer all of

864
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 4: this crap to just giving it to me, to which

865
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 4: she said I should just be the bigger man and

866
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 4: not let it get to me, to which I said

867
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Speaker 4: I was done and to have fun with Tracy. That evening,

868
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 4: well I would have been like, well, according to Nick,

869
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Speaker 4: I'm not a man, so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, funny story, can't be that.

871
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 4: That evening I got a call from Nick himself, which

872
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 4: I was hesitant about, but chose to answer on the

873
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 4: off chance that I was actually about to get the apology.

874
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 4: Apparently my behavior is causing Barb great distress and we're

875
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 4: family and how can I do this to my own sister.

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00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 3: And slur hip book? Critical?

877
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: Can he hits you with the slur? Right after?

878
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 4: I told him that since we're family, how can he

879
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 4: talk crap about me to his kid, which I take

880
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 4: care of daily? And he said he was only joking

881
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 4: and it was all good fun. I told him it

882
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,479
Speaker 4: was neither good nor fun for me, and I want

883
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 4: my apology. He blew up on me, telling me I

884
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 4: was a slur and couldn't take a joke and called

885
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 4: me a hysterical little girl. I told him to f

886
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 4: off and that I was done with him and hung up.

887
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 4: This led to a bunch of calls from Barb and

888
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 4: my mom, which I didn't answer. Crazy crazy Barb texted

889
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 4: me that it wasn't fair for Tracy to pay the

890
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 4: price for me being petty, and I told her that

891
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 4: it wasn't fair for Tracy to pay the price of

892
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 4: her parents being ungrateful pieces of crap, to which she

893
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 4: just texted. Slash yelled at me a bunch about how

894
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 4: she was going to lose her job and I was

895
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 4: being cruel to her and to Mom. I told her

896
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 4: I was done and unless her next message was as

897
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 4: an apology, I will be blocking her number. And it wasn't,

898
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 4: so now I blocked her. Also the fact that Ope

899
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 4: was giving them so many chances to apologize, like literally

900
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 4: even now, it was like, if you apologize.

901
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 1: We can figure something out.

902
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 4: Past few days, my mom's been picking up Tracy and

903
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 4: it's been really rough seeing her in daycare and explaining

904
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 4: that Graham was going to pick her up, which she hates,

905
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 4: and tells me she isn't having fun with Grandma and

906
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 4: wants to come over to our place, and it's breaking

907
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 4: my heart. But at the same time, I've never gotten

908
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 4: a single apology from anyone but the five year olds. Wow,

909
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 4: And I feel like letting this go would just be

910
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 4: telling my family that it's okay to ignore my boundaries.

911
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 4: But at the same time, I do love my niece

912
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 4: and I don't want to traumatize her or have her

913
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 4: resent me. She is a good kid and none of

914
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 4: it is her fault.

915
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 3: So am I the A hole?

916
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 4: And what do I do? You're not the ale, You're

917
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:49,959
Speaker 4: not the a hole.

918
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: But I think it was a pretty dastardly move not

919
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: picking up Tracy, but there is an edit.

920
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 4: Holy crap, you guys. Post barely been up four hours

921
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 4: and I'm already so grateful for all your support advice.

922
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 4: The angle of Nick actually wanting Barb to quit her

923
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 4: job is not what I considered, but now I think

924
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 4: it might actually have merit, and it makes me very

925
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 4: worried for her. At the same time, I can't really

926
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 4: do much until she at least acknowledges that that's just

927
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 4: how Nigus is. So's job of reacting isn't going to

928
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 4: fly with me. I also assume it's only a matter

929
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 4: of time until my mom is no longer an option.

930
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 4: She's already having a hard time, so I hope I

931
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 4: get a chance to talk to her about it, ideally

932
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 4: because she sees my point of view, but I'll settle

933
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 4: for her because she's desperate. I didn't know what sort

934
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 4: of childcare they'll be able to afford. They took out

935
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 4: a large mortgage on a house that can barely afford.

936
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 4: I also make certain distress upon Tracy that I love

937
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 4: her and none of this is her fault.

938
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: Thank you all.

939
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 4: Update There is an update just to clarify a few things.

940
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 4: My dad passed away from a heart attack two years ago,

941
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 4: which came as no surprise because he smoked a lot

942
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 4: and lived a pretty unhealthy lifestyle, so we weren't really surprised.

943
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 4: It wasn't his first either. He was a great grandpa

944
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 4: and a great dad before that and right up to

945
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 4: the end. His death left my mom alone and she

946
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 4: doesn't work. My moms MS which is basically mostly study

947
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 4: but slowly gets worse over time and flares up occasionally

948
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 4: and is made worse by stress, which my mom is

949
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 4: going through now. A flare up often means the level

950
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 4: she gets back to isn't quite what it was before,

951
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 4: so we mostly try to keep her stress free. My

952
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 4: dad had life insurance, so her house is paid for

953
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 4: and she had a little money, but there's also a

954
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 4: caretaker coming over three times a week to clean, cook,

955
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 4: do shopping, et cetera, which she can't afford, so me

956
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 4: and my wife pay for So again, this is just ridiculous,

957
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 4: like op is not only taking care of Tracy, picking

958
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 4: her up, dropping her off, letting her hang out at

959
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 4: the house, is also taking care of his mom financially,

960
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 4: and they have the audacity to spin this on him

961
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 4: and refuse to apologize.

962
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,479
Speaker 3: Well, it is just a word. It's just a word.

963
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 3: It is just a word.

964
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 4: As I mentioned in the comment on the original post,

965
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 4: me and my wife are doing probably better off financially

966
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 4: than Barb and Bill. They have a fancy house and

967
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 4: fancy cars, but they have a mortgage and loans. So

968
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 4: the great response I got made me think about this

969
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 4: crap again, and I thought how I could stand, how

970
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 4: I could stand my ground without giving up on Tracy altogether,

971
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 4: and figured there was no perfect solution and I had

972
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 4: to settle on something. I took the day off work

973
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 4: because I just needed to process and deal with this crap.

974
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 4: One comment on the original post really got to me

975
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 4: about how someone would feel in Tracy's place, and I

976
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 4: just can't do it to her.

977
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: Now.

978
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 4: I know this isn't the updates some of you have wanted,

979
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 4: but I just can't.

980
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: No, it's the one I wanted. I'm very happy, Yes,

981
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: the thing you can't.

982
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 4: You can't look at Tracy without giving in. I love

983
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 4: her like she was one of my own, and my

984
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 4: kids do as well, and it's not her fault. I

985
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 4: unblocked my sister because obviously, if I'm going to be

986
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 4: interacting with her child.

987
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 3: She needs to be able to reach me.

988
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 4: I talked to my mom during the day and she

989
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 4: was again distraught about having to pick Tracy up, which

990
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 4: is pretty hard on her. I told her I was

991
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 4: willing to do it, but I'm coming over and she's

992
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 4: going to have to hear me out, to which she agreed.

993
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 4: I talked to her for a long time, stark and

994
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 4: lashing out this time, and just explaining that basically how

995
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 4: serious Nick was or how he is doesn't matter. I

996
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 4: use that rocking the boat analogy someone linked to in comments,

997
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 4: and further stressed my point by saying that it shouldn't

998
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 4: matter if I was justified or not in getting upset.

999
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 4: I am her child, and if something upsets me, it

1000
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 4: at least warrants giving me the benefit of the doubt

1001
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 4: before signing against me. And eventually it seemed to come through.

1002
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 4: She apologized and we hugged it out, and I think

1003
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 4: she got it. She's not a very confrontational person and

1004
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 4: generally really tries to keep the peace, and this time she.

1005
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 3: Went about it.

1006
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 4: I'm not saying I'm not mad, but she's my mom,

1007
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 4: and she apologized. I explained to her that she shouldn't

1008
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 4: be covering for me because that means I have no

1009
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 4: leg to stand on when confronting Nick and Barb, and

1010
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 4: she was receptive to it. I texted my sister that

1011
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 4: we needed to talk and I'll drop Tracy off at

1012
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 4: their place tonight, to which I got a stoic thumbs up.

1013
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 4: I picked Tracy up from daycare today and she was overjoyed.

1014
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 4: She was actually a little possessive of me, staying by

1015
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,240
Speaker 4: my side all afternoon instead of running off to play,

1016
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 4: which was cute but also made me feel a little

1017
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 4: like crap, because that's the impact of me not picking

1018
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 4: her up. I explained to the best of my ability

1019
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 4: that she's not in trouble and I'm not angry with her,

1020
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 4: but I am angry with her parents and we need

1021
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 4: to work that out. But I'll do my best to

1022
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 4: not stop picking her up anymore, which she was really

1023
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 4: happy about it. I do appreciate that Op's being kind

1024
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 4: of really open about this with the kid. It's like, Hey,

1025
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 4: me and your parents are having kind of an argument,

1026
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 4: like a grown up thing's going on, which has nothing

1027
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 4: to do with you.

1028
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 3: That's a good enough explanation too.

1029
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, so I dropped her off in the evening,

1030
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 4: and once she was in bed, I sat down to

1031
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 4: talk with Barbonick. I told him flat out that mom

1032
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 4: wasn't going to be covering for them anymore, and if

1033
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 4: they didn't let me finish what I had to say,

1034
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 4: I would get up and leave and they can find

1035
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 4: new arrangements for Tracy. I didn't mean it, but they

1036
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 4: didn't need to know that. They weren't happy, but they

1037
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 4: were willing to listen, so that's progress, or at least

1038
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 4: the threat working. I explained that this was the situation now.

1039
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 4: I don't need them to mean their apology, but I

1040
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 4: sure as e F was going to This was principle.

1041
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: Now.

1042
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 4: I've spent years taking care of their child, and if

1043
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 4: they wanted to be a holes, I wasn't gonna do

1044
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 4: it for free.

1045
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 3: So this was how it goes.

1046
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: Now.

1047
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 4: I am no longer going to be dropping her off

1048
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 4: in the morning until further notice. There was no excuse

1049
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 4: for the way Nick acted and it needed to have

1050
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 4: some lasting impact. I was no longer going to be

1051
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 4: paying for family outings and family vacations. It was a

1052
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 4: man's job to support his family, so.

1053
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: Good luck with that burn burn right begging your face.

1054
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 4: The exception is Tracy, who's always welcome. If I hear

1055
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 4: any more BS being talked about me behind my back,

1056
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 4: I was going to start charging them for my service.

1057
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 4: My plan was to dangle the thing they want child

1058
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 4: care for storing it, but at the same time giving

1059
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 4: some repercussions and threat of things getting hard for them again.

1060
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 4: I also laid it on pretty thick about how I

1061
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 4: am a man, so I obviously have my pride and

1062
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 4: can't have that being disrespected, even by my own family,

1063
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 4: who I obviously love. Don't really consider Nick family, but

1064
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 4: figured he wouldn't figure that out. Nick was not haou this,

1065
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 4: and my sister actually had to take him outside to

1066
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 4: talk it out without me. But eventually they did agree

1067
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 4: to it and I got my admittedly half hearted apology.

1068
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 4: I could probably press it further, but I didn't want

1069
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 4: to risk having to either back down or hurt Tracy again,

1070
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 4: so I took this. By the way, you can take

1071
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 4: yourself over to us every weekday had three PMPSD on YouTube.

1072
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 4: Just tap her profile and there is a little bit left.

1073
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 4: But what do we think about this new and improved solution?

1074
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: It sounds perfect.

1075
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 4: I think it sounds like a good solution. You got what

1076
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 4: you wanted, and you still get to hang out with Tracy.

1077
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 4: There were no tears and no warm hugs, but I

1078
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 4: get to walk away with what I wanted, giving them

1079
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 4: some payback without having to give up my time with Tracy.

1080
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 4: I still plan to talk to my sister alone about

1081
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 4: a relationship with Nick and about how she sees me,

1082
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 4: but I figure I should let things calm down a

1083
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 4: bit before I do. I know this isn't the resolution some,

1084
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 4: maybe most of you wanted, but at the end of

1085
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 4: the day, I need to find a solution I can

1086
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 4: live with, and for me, this is it. Will update

1087
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 4: if anything changes, and that is the end of that story.

1088
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: He's johny og host here. We're gonna get back to

1089
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: the stories, but he's a quick three minute break of

1090
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: ass from our sponsors. I refuse to accept gifts for

1091
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: my estranged sister, for my kids, and it's breaking.

1092
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 3: My heart, breaking my heart. Don't go breaking my heart.

1093
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 3: You couldn't if I tried.

1094
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: Both of my siblings disowned me. December twenty twenty one,

1095
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: my brother, thirty seven male, disowned me for reasons I

1096
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: can't say here involves a problem with his son that

1097
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: had affected the safety of our family for three years

1098
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: leading up to being disowned. I contacted the authorities after

1099
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: an incident I didn't tell a soul. I was prepared

1100
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: to take this to the grave. I wanted it to

1101
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: be a wake up call. I wanted my family to

1102
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: stop ignoring it and get him some help instead of

1103
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: convincing themselves that it would eventually just go away. By

1104
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: the way, this comes from user feminism takeover on the

1105
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: r slash okay storytime subbred so bad gas travels fast

1106
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: in a small town even when you report it to authorities.

1107
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 1: Word got around to my sister, who called my brother

1108
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: and told him to expect a visit from a social worker.

1109
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: My brother and his wife called my mom immediately, saying

1110
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: I made it up, even though my brother had personally

1111
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: spoken to my mom and sister about this many times.

1112
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: My brother and his wife told my mom they were

1113
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: disowning me, and if I was in her life, then

1114
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: they would also disown her. They didn't speak to her

1115
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: or let her see their kids for a year. Spring

1116
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: slash Summer twenty twenty three, my sister officially disowned me.

1117
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: Things had been slightly different since she called my brother.

1118
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: She would hint about it sometimes, but then immediately didn't

1119
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: want to talk about it.

1120
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 3: She stopped responding to my messages. Turns out I was bought.

1121
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 3: My mom called me crying.

1122
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: One day. My siblings had started a group chat with

1123
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: my mom about me. My sister's messages were long. They

1124
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: said everything and nothing at the same time a direct quote,

1125
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: She's done so many terrible things to me. I read

1126
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 1: the whole conversation three times over and I couldn't find

1127
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: a single clue what exactly she was accusing me of

1128
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: doing to her, or even a specific situation or conversation

1129
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: she was referencing. My mom had no idea what she

1130
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: meant either. The chat devolved into my siblings throwing insults

1131
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: at my mom, and at one point my brother said,

1132
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: this is why you're still single.

1133
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 3: Damn.

1134
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: My mom and sister have reconciled since my mom and

1135
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: brother kind of both siblings still want nothing to do

1136
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: with me.

1137
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 3: Which is devastating.

1138
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: I never had the chance to speak to my brother

1139
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: about reporting his son. So here come the birthday gifts.

1140
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: My twins turned seven. We had a big party with

1141
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: about twelve kids total, and some family and everyone had

1142
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: a blast. The next day, my mom sent me a

1143
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: text telling me a package arrived from my sister and

1144
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: it has gifts for my kids. And I didn't respond

1145
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: for a few days. I feel uncomfortable with it. My

1146
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: kids missed their cousins, aunts and uncles a lot. It

1147
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: has become a source of confusion and sadness. A tangible

1148
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: item in our home from Auntie will inevitably remind them

1149
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 1: of their family more often. It will ask more often,

1150
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: leading to more confusion and sadness. I don't see it

1151
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: as a gift. I see it as a source of

1152
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: more heartache. I told my mom this. I asked her

1153
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: to eat, either throw it out, or keep it at

1154
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: her house. She said, great, now all three of her

1155
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: kids are being rotten, and not to talk to her

1156
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: about it. I told her I didn't disown anyone or

1157
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: call her and yell at her for two hours. I'm

1158
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: just not willing to put my kids through more stress

1159
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 1: wondering why they haven't seen half their family in so long.

1160
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 1: She told me to stop dragging her into it. Okay,

1161
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: well we've got bullet points.

1162
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 3: We've got ballpoints.

1163
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: First of all, she brought it up it's always been

1164
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: a sensitive topic the past three years, anything to do

1165
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: with either of my siblings. I never mentioned them to

1166
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: her at all, and I don't say much when she

1167
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: brings them up. Back when my siblings did the group

1168
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: chat with her, my mom told me that it's not

1169
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: really about me. She said that they were mad because

1170
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: she wasn't doing what they wanted it like, disowned me,

1171
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: and because they are all jealous of the close relationship

1172
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: I have with her. I think there's some truth to that,

1173
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's the only factor at play.

1174
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: I think there's also some childhood trauma. Our parents got

1175
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: divorced when I was eight years old, and a few

1176
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: months later we moved away so my mom could go

1177
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: to school. We went from having a stay at home

1178
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: mom to having a mom who was suddenly in school

1179
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: full time and working full time. My siblings had to

1180
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: stay home and look after me instead of doing whatever

1181
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: it is they would have been doing otherwise. I think

1182
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: they grew to resent that saw me as a burden,

1183
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: and still see me as a burden. Now she's saying

1184
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: that it's my problem I'm dragging her into So is

1185
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: it about.

1186
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 3: You or not?

1187
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's a reach, being like, well, you liked

1188
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: me when we were children, so maybe this is actually

1189
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: about you.

1190
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 3: Did you think about that we need more?

1191
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: Ah? God, Back when my siblings were being butt hats

1192
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: to my mom, my instinct to protect her overshadowed my

1193
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: own feelings. One hundred percent of my pain and venting

1194
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: was heard by my friends, and a lot of balling

1195
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: my eyes out when my kids were with their dad.

1196
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: Not a chance in heck I was going to express

1197
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: that to her during that time and make her feel

1198
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: even worse. Now, it seems like she thinks me and

1199
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: my children don't give a crap and we are just

1200
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: bystanders in this awful situation that she has experienced, and

1201
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: like it hasn't been hurtful at all to us. I

1202
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 1: feel like she's completely disregard that we lost about half

1203
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: of the immediate family from my childhood. Two in laws,

1204
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: three nephews, and one niece. They might not speak to

1205
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: us ever again, and if they do, I doubt we

1206
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: will ever grow close. It's a tough pill to swallow

1207
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: being tossed out by half of your family so easily. Anyways,

1208
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: my mom feels like I'm being a petty a hole,

1209
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: trying to hurt her and dragging her into a sibling feud.

1210
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: By refusing the gift, I feel like I'm protecting my children.

1211
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: Am I the a hole? That's the other thing. Yeah,

1212
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: by refusing this gift, you are not protecting your children.

1213
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: You're deepening this like the device. Yeah, exactly, you could

1214
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: give them a thing.

1215
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 4: I also understand not wanting to give the gifts to

1216
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 4: them because they are absolutely going to ask why are

1217
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 4: we saying, you know, why aren't we seeing our family?

1218
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: Well? And then it's the reason you don't want them

1219
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: to ask that, because you don't want to have to

1220
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: explain what you did. What are we talking about? The

1221
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,919
Speaker 1: kids should know exactly what's going on. Some people think

1222
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: I could have gotten rid of it without involving my

1223
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: mom and without my kids already receiving the gift. Let

1224
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: me clear that up. My sister lives on the other

1225
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: side of the country and my mother have a gift

1226
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: exchange slash middleman situation worked out. They shipped the present

1227
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: and tell the other person blank is for so and so.

1228
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: When the box arrives, they wrapped the present for the

1229
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: other and the gift is given to the intended recipient directly.

1230
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: If I had not intercepted the gift before my mother

1231
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: brought it over to my house, she would have just

1232
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 1: taken the gift out of the shipping parcel, wrapped it herself,

1233
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: brought it directly to my house, walked inside holding it,

1234
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: and loudly announced to my kids, this is from Auntie.

1235
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 1: At that point, the damage would have been done. Also,

1236
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: note that my sister has had my address saved in

1237
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: both her iCloud contacts and Amazon account for years now.

1238
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 1: She could have just sent it directly to me. Honestly,

1239
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: there's a fifty to fifty chance that she either sent

1240
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: it to my mom's house out of habit, or intentionally

1241
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 1: to put the gift in my mom's hands instead of mine,

1242
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: knowing it might make me uncomfortable. The boys were more

1243
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: likely to receive it that way, and it would be

1244
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: harder for me to intercept.

1245
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 3: She is a crabstir by nature.

1246
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: My gut instinct was that she was using my children

1247
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: as pawns in an effort to upset me. I have

1248
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: no idea if there's any truth to that at all.

1249
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: It was just my first instinct. The other half of

1250
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: my brain tells me she has the awareness that it

1251
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: also hurts my children and wouldn't be worth it.

1252
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 3: And there's an update myn home, ma'am, are.

1253
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: We just here? We gonna dig in.

1254
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 4: I'm like trying to think of if I have anything

1255
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 4: to offer this story, and I just keep hoping that

1256
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 4: we'll get more information on them.

1257
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: My mom has quote forgotten that anything ever happened, making

1258
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: me question my sense of reality.

1259
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 3: That's so funny.

1260
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: Two days ago, I posted about accepting a gift from

1261
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: an estranged family member who disowned me. This family member

1262
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: is still no contact with me, but has managed to

1263
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: establish contact from a distance in an unhealthy way. This

1264
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: new dynamic is confusing and hurtful to my kids. After

1265
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,919
Speaker 1: reading the comments, I came to the conclusion that I'm

1266
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: allowed to have boundaries, but my delivery wasn't great. The

1267
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: way I see it, We've been disowned by my siblings.

1268
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: If either of them reach out to me in the future,

1269
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: I'll cross that bridge when I get to it, But

1270
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: for now, my family and I deserve to live in peace.

1271
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,439
Speaker 1: Children are up pawns at our disposal to hurt each other.

1272
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: Last night, I sent a text to my mom that

1273
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: was simple, kind and clear. I asked her to stop

1274
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: speaking about either of my siblings around me, and not

1275
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,280
Speaker 1: to act as a middleman between me and my siblings

1276
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: in any way, facetiming them and putting my kids on

1277
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: the phone updating us on their lives, being a gift

1278
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: exchange middleman, et cetera. I pointed out that in three years,

1279
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 1: I have mentioned my siblings unprompted, one time via text

1280
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: to tell her I wasn't comfortable with her taking my

1281
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 1: kids to my brother's house alone. So I think, let

1282
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: me reiterate now. Yeah, because there was some comment about

1283
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: how this had been going on for three years. Yeah,

1284
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: but I thought that comment was about like the situation

1285
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: with the kid. But I think three years is going

1286
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: on with the estrangement, yes, yes, disowning.

1287
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it seems like now the mother has been

1288
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 4: this middleman to have the oh p's kids meet up

1289
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 4: with and talk to the estrange siblings. Yeah, which is

1290
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 4: really weird dynamic.

1291
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: All other conversations have been initiated by her accusing me

1292
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: of dragging her into it wasn't right. The other day

1293
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: I was responding with a boundary, and I think it

1294
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: would be best for her to stay out of it completely.

1295
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: From now on and just let it be. I'm going

1296
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: to quote her response here, my name, are you out

1297
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: at your dad's. I don't know what emotional thing you're

1298
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: going through or if something has happened, but something has

1299
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: obviously made some feeling come up for you. I'm not

1300
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: going to read this whole text. I can tell by

1301
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: the first few sentences it isn't anything to do with me,

1302
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: because you and I have been fine.

1303
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,919
Speaker 4: What yo, She's like, I couldn't possibly be causing any

1304
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 4: problems with you.

1305
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know we're fine. After being like, I'm not

1306
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: reading all that, and clearly you're in some kind.

1307
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 4: Of mood or whatever, so that has nothing to do

1308
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 4: with me, of course.

1309
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, so get over it, I guess, and then talk

1310
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: to me later. I'm not reading all that.

1311
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 3: By the way, we want you to read all these

1312
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 3: stories with us.

1313
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: With every week day three PMPST. Just tap on our

1314
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: profile until you're in the live. I wish I could

1315
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: articulate how I'm feeling right now, but my brain is

1316
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: fried from all this us too. Yeah, and I'm questioning

1317
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: my own reality. I feel like my entire family views

1318
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: me as an unworthy, unlovable pain in the butt. Which

1319
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: is how I felt for a good portion of my childhood.

1320
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: As an adult, it's somehow more gut wrenching. I want

1321
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: a new family. My dad will not touch the issue.

1322
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: I asked him about my siblings one time since being disowned,

1323
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: after hearing a narrative that my dad wasn't going to

1324
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: invite me on the vacation because of my brother, and

1325
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: the only thing he would say is leave me out

1326
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: of it. In general, this is a good call for him.

1327
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: It also leaves me on an island now, and that

1328
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: is the end. I think you're gonna have to swallow

1329
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: your pride. Brother, if you want to stop being on

1330
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: the island, start swimming.

1331
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 4: I guess my advice slash question is for OP. Is

1332
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 4: this a situation where you want to go no contact?

1333
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 4: Is this something where because someone in the jot said like,

1334
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 4: you don't want siblings that are going to put your kids.

1335
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 3: In danger and stuff, which is true.

1336
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 4: Is this a situation where they are doing something bad

1337
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 4: and you're like, I don't want to ever see them.

1338
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 4: I don't feel like that like kids are safe around them,

1339
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 4: because in that case stay no contact?

1340
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 3: Sure or a real valid reason why you did that?

1341
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: Sure?

1342
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 4: Or is this a situation where they have taken the

1343
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,919
Speaker 4: step back away from you, and you're like, well, they

1344
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 4: are not talking to me, so I'm not talking to that. Like,

1345
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,479
Speaker 4: you have to think about this situation and decide which

1346
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 4: of those it is, because is it your desire to

1347
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 4: keep your kids safe or is it pride? And that's

1348
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 4: you have to decide for yourself which it is.

1349
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 3: I just don't know.

1350
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 4: My anti vax family doesn't care about my immuno compromised girlfriend.

1351
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 4: I'm not talking to them anymore. Fair.

1352
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you shouldn't keep her alive talk and spit off. Yeah,

1353
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: un compromised girlfriend either.

1354
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 4: My girlfriend has an autoimmune disease. During COVID, she was

1355
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 4: on an immunosuppressant. Her roomatologist explained to us that this

1356
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 4: immunosuppressant brings her immune system down to about forty percent

1357
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 4: strength of a normal persons, that it is important for

1358
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 4: us to remain social distancing and to especially distance from

1359
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 4: those who were unvaccinated due to them shedding a higher

1360
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 4: viral load, making it harder for her system to battle.

1361
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 4: By the way, this comes from disastrous hearing seventy two

1362
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 4: on the Okay Storytime Separate. So I told my family

1363
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 4: about this during COVID and said it's important for them

1364
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 4: to get vaccinated. If they do not, we don't feel

1365
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 4: comfortable coming around. But some of my family members are

1366
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 4: anti vacs. My mom and dad were both vaccinated, but

1367
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 4: my siblings twenty six male, thirty two female, thirty three female,

1368
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 4: and their essos were not.

1369
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 3: I told my parents to talk to.

1370
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 4: My siblings and hope they would convince them to get

1371
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 4: vaccinated since they were refusing to when I mentioned it.

1372
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 4: My parents were pro vaccine at the time, but said

1373
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 4: they tried convincing them, but do not want to get

1374
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 4: involved because it's heated and it's important to them that

1375
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 4: they can keep seeing the grand kids.

1376
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 3: I do think that.

1377
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 4: There's only so much you can do, like from their

1378
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 4: point of view, like you can only tell people to

1379
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 4: get vaccinated so much.

1380
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 3: And they're like to hold them down and you know,

1381
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 3: stick it in their arm like.

1382
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 4: Around yeah, around Christmas time twenty twenty one, my mom

1383
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 4: invited us for Christmas, but we turned it down because

1384
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 4: we didn't want to be over when my siblings and

1385
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 4: their essos were not fully vaccine, which on op side

1386
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 4: completely valid and like the parents should support them in

1387
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 4: that that's where their support needs.

1388
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: To come in. Yeah, just like I'm not trying to

1389
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: have you guys unlive my girlfriend by talking to me. Yeah.

1390
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 4: Apparently my mom was upset and said I was making

1391
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 4: her choose Christmas with us over Christmas with the grandchildren

1392
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 4: and their parents. All I said is we don't want

1393
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 4: to be around unvaccinated people. My sister was pregnant at

1394
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 4: the time and constantly posting anti vax messages on her

1395
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 4: social media delisious.

1396
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: Yeah great.

1397
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 4: When she wanted to come over to my house to

1398
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 4: drop something off, I told her she needs to wear

1399
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 4: a mask, and she lectured me, saying I don't have

1400
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 4: to worry because we, my girlfriend and I are vaccinated people.

1401
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 4: Just don't You don't understand how these things work. She

1402
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 4: then invited us to our gender reveal party, which contained

1403
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,439
Speaker 4: a bunch of people who were not vaccinated at the time.

1404
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 4: At this point, I was getting very fed up with

1405
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,919
Speaker 4: being made the bad guy by being invited and having

1406
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 4: to turn it down and simply said sorry, we won't

1407
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 4: be able to make it, trying to not say what

1408
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 4: I really thought and cause a fight. My family was

1409
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 4: getting up set with me because they kept inviting us over,

1410
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 4: but we kept refusing because they.

1411
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 3: Were not vaccinated.

1412
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 4: We were also upset because they were not taking my

1413
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 4: girlfriend's condition seriously, remember this was peak COVID. My siblings

1414
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 4: started to post a lot of anti vax stuff on

1415
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 4: their social media about the Canada Freedom Convoy.

1416
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: And when is that? Oh? Was the truckers?

1417
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 3: The truckers?

1418
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like because they weren't letting people get in

1419
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: and out of like the Canadian border or something. I

1420
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: don't know.

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01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 4: I used to call my parents every week since I

1422
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 4: moved out of the house.

1423
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 3: One phone call got a.

1424
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 4: Bit heated and it was starting to sound like they

1425
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 4: were getting fed up with me arguing with them about

1426
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 4: my sibling posting anti vax content when my girlfriend was immunocompromised,

1427
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 4: saying they are allowed to believe what they want, and

1428
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 4: what if you're wrong about the vaccine being safe? So

1429
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 4: there it is, there it is. They they're siding with

1430
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 4: the what if?

1431
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: What if you're wrong?

1432
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 3: What if you're wrong, you're wrong?

1433
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: What if you're they're wrong? Yeah, what if the.

1434
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 3: Sky's made out of chocolate?

1435
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, what are we talking?

1436
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 4: A lot of what IF's thrown around? I ended that

1437
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 4: phone call and felt like I was annoying them.

1438
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 3: That's the thing.

1439
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 4: It's like, it's the problem here is not that the

1440
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 4: parents are like, oh, we're being thrown into the conflict

1441
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 4: and stuff and we don't want to be a part

1442
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 4: of it. It's that they kind of believe the anti

1443
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 4: VAC siblings.

1444
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1445
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 4: The last couple times I called, it turned into arguing

1446
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 4: about my siblings and defending my girlfriend. So I decided

1447
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 4: I wasn't going to call anymore. Just felt really unwanted

1448
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 4: and wanted to wait for them to call me for once.

1449
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 4: Weeks pasted with no phone call, the longest stretch we

1450
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 4: have ever gone. All of a sudden, my parents were

1451
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 4: posting anti vacs Freedom Convoy content on their social media

1452
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 4: and that's that's it.

1453
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 3: Because they believed it. That's why they were.

1454
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: Ya. Stuff is so weird because it's like with any

1455
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 1: medical thing ever, Yeah, there will always be a percentage

1456
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: of people who just don't believe in it, Like side effects.

1457
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we like experience things that are like complications

1458
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: where it's like the thing with all these vaccines, it

1459
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: was like the heart stuff, right, Yeah, but it's like.

1460
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 3: That's the same thing.

1461
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 4: With everything literally everything.

1462
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 3: Ever, it's like anesthesia. It's like it's like surgery.

1463
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: Surgery. Yeah, there's a chance that you not live. Yeah,

1464
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: but no one's ever like, oh, I'll give me the anesteine,

1465
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: cut me up. No, it's crazy, my liver, it's crazy.

1466
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 3: While I'm away or whatever.

1467
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: I guess that guys don't drink too much.

1468
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 3: No, it's it's okay.

1469
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 4: This felt like a betrayal since they were not previously

1470
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 4: anti vacs and said they didn't want to get involved

1471
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 4: when I asked them to speak up for my girlfriend. No,

1472
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 4: they were already on your siblings side, regardless of maybe

1473
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 4: they were flipped a little bit, like the siblings convinced

1474
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 4: them to get on this train of anti vaxinists. But

1475
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 4: they definitely were already on your siblings side before then.

1476
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 4: Because it is one thing to not be able to

1477
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 4: say to someone like, oh, you need to get a

1478
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 4: vaccination because you can't really control if someone does that,

1479
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 4: But it's another thing to not like defend oh PE's

1480
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 4: actions as well, be like, oh, well that's fine for

1481
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 4: your siblings to do, but we're we're not going to

1482
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 4: defend you taking your own actions to protect your girlfriend. Yeah,

1483
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 4: it's like, hello, Hi, I'm just you said you didn't

1484
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 4: want to ge involved, but you're actively getting involved.

1485
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 1: Being violently ill. Sorry, I guess I'm the bad guy. Yeah,

1486
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: don't want my girlfriend to beck Oops.

1487
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 4: Months passed after just not calling my parents and my

1488
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 4: parents not attempting to contact me, I got a text

1489
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,439
Speaker 4: from my pregnant sister basically saying how selfish I am

1490
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 4: for abandoning the family, lecturing me that COVID is not real,

1491
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,439
Speaker 4: saying I'm acting like my girlfriend is the sickest person

1492
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 4: in the country, and a few other offensive things. I

1493
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 4: responded with F you, and that was it. A few

1494
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 4: weeks later, my dad sent me an email saying how

1495
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 4: disappointed he is that I abandoned everyone and that I

1496
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 4: said f you to my sister. He also ranted about Trudeau,

1497
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 4: Prime Minister of Canada, is a dictator and that he

1498
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 4: and my mom do not believe COVID is real anymore.

1499
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 4: After my brother in law went to Ottawa and his

1500
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 4: semi truck with the convoy, Ah.

1501
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: And there it is. Hey, truth, man, COVID is not real.

1502
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: Don't you know your brother drives a semi truck. He

1503
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: drove in the convoy justin Trudeau's gonna try to say

1504
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: over the world.

1505
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 4: It's important to note that all I did was stop calling.

1506
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 4: It's not like I blocked them or ignored their phone calls.

1507
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 4: They not once tried contacting me. It was over a

1508
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 4: year later until my girlfriend finally called my parents and

1509
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 4: sister to try and fix the situation. My sister has

1510
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 4: nothing to apologize for and just said I was being

1511
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 4: selfish and that them believing COVID wasn't real.

1512
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 3: What do you what do you think people are getting

1513
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 3: sick with?

1514
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 1: What do you mean not real? What do you mean?

1515
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 3: I just don't understand that. I just don't understand that

1516
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 3: these people are they were paid actors, and.

1517
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 4: That vaccines are dangerous was their choice and should not

1518
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 4: stop us from coming around. My mom said she was

1519
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 4: upset that I was going to ruin Christmas and it

1520
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 4: was more important that the grandkids were there instead of us,

1521
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 4: and that is why she didn't want to call anymore.

1522
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 4: My dad was upset that I was being a know

1523
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 4: it all at the time. Basically I was arguing their

1524
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 4: conspiracy theories when they were arguing why it's okay for

1525
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 4: us to come for Christmas and didn't think my girlfriend

1526
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 4: was gonna stick around anyway. We're still together. We somehow

1527
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 4: managed to kind of move on and started talking again

1528
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 4: with my parents, but honestly, it didn't feel the same

1529
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 4: at all. I really just lost all respect for them.

1530
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 4: Everyone kind of showed their true colors. We talk maybe

1531
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 4: once every two months, and we don't bring up my siblings.

1532
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 4: And you should always bring us up by joining us

1533
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 4: live every weekday through PMPST on YouTube.

1534
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 3: Just tap her profile, pull up our profile and tap

1535
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 3: it and tap it.

1536
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 4: Honestly, it seems like, oh, he's doing the best that

1537
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 4: they can.

1538
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 1: You know, you can't.

1539
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 4: He's trying to have a relationship with his parents, but

1540
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 4: they're making it so incredibly hard.

1541
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 3: I mean, like I said, it's like, yeah, I didn't

1542
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 3: block them.

1543
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't block them. I wasn't gonna ignore

1544
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: their calls. They just did not even reach out. Yeah,

1545
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 1: so it's like this is on them.

1546
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, I.

1547
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: Don't think there's anything wrong with you standing on business

1548
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: about it.

1549
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 4: Like, hey, you're trying to protect your girlfriend's life. Yeah,

1550
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 4: we just don't want her to get And it's not

1551
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 4: even like yeah, it's not like you're saying like like

1552
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 4: you're holding people down and giving them a shot. No,

1553
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,439
Speaker 4: you're literally just saying I can't be around you because

1554
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 4: my girlfriend could literally lose her life.

1555
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 1: We won't be at the baby shower. And they're like,

1556
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm stupid McGee over here with this big scary Oh

1557
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: what is your your Oh?

1558
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 3: Your girlfriend's gotta get sick. People get sick. Yeah, everyone

1559
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 3: gets sick. Yeah, right, walk it off.

1560
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 4: My sister has since had two babies and I have

1561
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 4: not seen eye either of them, going on three years.

1562
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 4: Having not spoken to my sibling, I have felt guilty

1563
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 4: for not seeing my newborn nieces and the rest of

1564
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 4: my nimblings, and somehow I also feel guilty for not

1565
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 4: talking to my family. But I just have lost so

1566
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 4: much respect for them with how they handled COVID with

1567
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 4: an immunocompromised family member in their lives. They literally did

1568
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 4: nothing to support her condition and made us out to

1569
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 4: be an inconvenience for them. Because of this, I'm not

1570
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 4: interested in having them back in my life. And it's

1571
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 4: been so long, I don't even know where to start

1572
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 4: the conversation. So I just haven't called and they haven't

1573
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 4: tried either. Am I the ale for not talking to them?

1574
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 4: Or coming around anymore. Oh, it's not even that you.

1575
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 4: You didn't even do anything here, Like you're just not

1576
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 4: reaching out. But they're also not reaching out, So it's

1577
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 4: just mutually, you know.

1578
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 1: The whole situation has exposed their.

1579
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 4: Own Yeah, like they are willing to put their thoughts

1580
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 4: and they're like, I don't know, ideals above your partner's life. Yeah,

1581
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,439
Speaker 4: I guess is that that's where we're at the ration

1582
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 4: of like.

1583
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: Well, we didn't think that she was even gonna be around.

1584
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: He didn't care if schwek killed her.

1585
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 3: She's not going to be around that long.

1586
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: What a week after

1587
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 2: H