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Speaker 1: here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com for the final time,
Speaker 1: live from training camp in Oxnard, California, as we continue
Speaker 1: to break down Cowboys training camp here in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: alongside Mickey's Bag Nolan Ron Phillips, I'm Kyle the Ooman's Where, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: we have some television to talk about since we were
Speaker 1: last on air, and I'm not talking about the Bachelorette finale.
Speaker 1: That's not what we're talking about. Sorry, Rob. I'll start
Speaker 1: my own podcast for that one when me and Dave
Speaker 1: can do that one. And you and Hellman have had
Speaker 1: some bonding over the Bachelorette finales. But no. HBO's Hard
Speaker 1: Knocks NFL Films on the Dallas Cowboys and an inside
Speaker 1: look at Training Camp premiered last night. Make I know
Speaker 1: you're a big TV watcher, carve out some time and
Speaker 1: you're busy schedule to watch last night. I watched it twice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I watched it the first time, and then I took
Speaker 1: some notes the second time, and uh, yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: it was I thought it was really really good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, you know, we've been around
Speaker 1: for the other two with the Cowboys, and for a
Speaker 1: first episode and trying to capture not our attention, but
Speaker 1: other people's attention that may not be following the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I thought they did a heck of a job of
Speaker 1: setting the emotion and coming and portraying the personalities of
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, Ezekiel Elliott, Micah Parsons, a little bit more
Speaker 1: of Mike McCarthy and Dan Quinn also. And I thought
Speaker 1: they did a really good job of capturing it. And
Speaker 1: you know, the video was real good too, by the way,
Speaker 1: the audio was good too. And you say you watched
Speaker 1: it twice and you missed a very key element of
Speaker 1: that show, very key open. You know. After you told
Speaker 1: me that, I remember thinking when the open did and
Speaker 1: whatever was said, and I said, oh, the narrator, he
Speaker 1: must have been looking at what I wrote or said,
Speaker 1: because that sounds familiar. That's exactly what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: just passed it off. It was like, yeah, that that's
Speaker 1: the narrator way, so you didn't notice. I did not.
Speaker 1: I absolutely did not interesting and nobody. And I was
Speaker 1: sitting next to Brad, and Brad didn't go, oh that's you.
Speaker 1: Sod's used to be in and those well I'd recognized
Speaker 1: Brad's right, and I said, oh, yeah, they got Brad
Speaker 1: and I kind of hit him on the side and said,
Speaker 1: oh there, way to go. But I didn't recognize my
Speaker 1: own voice. That was off of a Talking Cowboys podcast, right,
Speaker 1: I believe clip that was our first one here. I
Speaker 1: think that's what you said. Yeah, so do we get
Speaker 1: like royalties off that from HBO? I didn't sign any release. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't get royalties. You know when we with the
Speaker 1: Zinger over here, when we when we when when samt
Speaker 1: does the making of the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders, and when
Speaker 1: we're the judges and they kind of use that stuff.
Speaker 1: We got to resign a release, do you really? Yeah?
Speaker 1: If that's because your face is on it, I wonder
Speaker 1: if your voice doesn't count as much? Maybe? I think.
Speaker 1: I think when they signed the paperwork to be all access,
Speaker 1: it included podcasts, it included anything we do about here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably I don't I don't think we have separate negotiations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that that paper was probably signed for us
Speaker 1: a lot further back than what checks it checks in
Speaker 1: the mail, right. But yeah, you're listening to the world
Speaker 1: famous Now Talking Cowboys podcast because they used the clip
Speaker 1: of ours in the opening of the show. But Rob,
Speaker 1: what were your thoughts on what you saw last night?
Speaker 1: I really liked it too. I thought it like Mickey said,
Speaker 1: I thought it did a good job of really hitting
Speaker 1: the high points of this camp so far. And that's
Speaker 1: kind of way this series goes. You know, the first
Speaker 1: episode they're going to hit the stars, you know, the
Speaker 1: major storylines, and I'm not going to give anything away,
Speaker 1: but you've got a pretty good idea of some of
Speaker 1: you know, the camp hopefuls and other coaches that they
Speaker 1: want to feature. You can kind of tell based on
Speaker 1: where the cameras go out here, and you'll see that
Speaker 1: as the series goes on, I'm sure. But yeah, starting
Speaker 1: off with Dak and getting some more information about where
Speaker 1: he came from with the injury to his ankle was
Speaker 1: really good. I think the thing that stood out to
Speaker 1: me the most was how they are being transparent with
Speaker 1: his shoulder injury. You know, they took you through everything.
Speaker 1: The micd up stuff at practice is unbelievable, and taking
Speaker 1: you through exactly what happened, why he removed himself from practice,
Speaker 1: Why Mike McCarthy told him, Hey, go inside, let's get
Speaker 1: this thing checked out. I think he was probably freaking
Speaker 1: out a little bit. Well he was right, yeah, what
Speaker 1: was it an oh my gosh or something like yeah?
Speaker 1: And you know what, it was funny because Nick Eatman
Speaker 1: and I were standing on the fence line right in
Speaker 1: view of him and Jim Mauer, head trainer, and you
Speaker 1: could he had sunglasses on, but you could see the
Speaker 1: way he kind of tilted his head when Jim told
Speaker 1: him something it didn't sound good to him. And to
Speaker 1: hear that miked up was really good in terms of
Speaker 1: just I mean, I think he's got to be thinking
Speaker 1: the football gods are gonna screw me again, you know,
Speaker 1: in terms of my you know, starting quarterback, star player.
Speaker 1: And but again, I think from a transparency standpoint, everything
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have told us the public about the injury
Speaker 1: is what it is. It's a strained shoulder muscle that
Speaker 1: they're trying to treat and manage and look and again,
Speaker 1: based on this walkthrough we saw yesterday that was open.
Speaker 1: He's making progress, he's throwing, so that that was the
Speaker 1: best stuff to me. That was definitely what stood out
Speaker 1: to me was Okay, finally we can look at this
Speaker 1: and say nobody's hiding anything because this is all access.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Cowboys do put everything out on the
Speaker 1: table in those meetings. They're not censoring that for hard knocks.
Speaker 1: It's not a show from their point of view as
Speaker 1: to catering to what HBO wants to show on theirs.
Speaker 1: I think that kind of put that to rest of Okay,
Speaker 1: Dak's ankle doing pretty solid. I mean, he looked good,
Speaker 1: he was running good. You got to see a lot
Speaker 1: of action prior to the actual throwing injury of him
Speaker 1: running around on that ankle. And now everybody can kind
Speaker 1: of see for himself in quality HD just how Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott was looking from the lower body standpoint and then
Speaker 1: from an upper body standpoint. Now you see that nothing
Speaker 1: is being hidden. Well there was a perception there was, Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: I think fans when did I miss you see it
Speaker 1: on Twitter? You see sire's the first problem. Well it's not.
Speaker 1: It's not a plot yeah, well it but it that's
Speaker 1: the fans voice. It's a feel from the fans. It
Speaker 1: is an atmosphere fans. Some fans creed. All right, Okay,
Speaker 1: some guy got all over me on something. I looked
Speaker 1: him up and he had two followers, and I said,
Speaker 1: go tweak to your two followers, get off of mine.
Speaker 1: I saw that. I sent it to a couple of
Speaker 1: people because it made me laugh out loud. Um two
Speaker 1: followers look man like. Oh not just with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: With any sport, there's always skepticism about, oh, this player's fine,
Speaker 1: he'll be fine, and and maybe he's not. And so
Speaker 1: fans naturally are skeptics about things. Well, they should listen
Speaker 1: to us. A lot of people don't choose not to
Speaker 1: do that though. Wow, that's that's their problem. Well, I know,
Speaker 1: but we're we're we're educating them. We are. I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. They did a nice job of showing
Speaker 1: you're behind the scenes exactly what's going on, the fact
Speaker 1: that you know, Jerry's on the phone with him and
Speaker 1: they talked to the Texas Rangers. Hey, this is a
Speaker 1: this is like a pitching injury. We're just gonna manage it.
Speaker 1: It was great stuff. And we saw Jerry and Joey's
Speaker 1: breakfast after that. That was fun time. Yeah. Did you
Speaker 1: do when you get a sausage biscuit that you salted
Speaker 1: put salt on it? I think it's got enough salt
Speaker 1: on it already, but it looked really good. It looked
Speaker 1: good it's salted, or just the sandwich sandwich itself. I
Speaker 1: could use one right now. Yeah, that would be nice.
Speaker 1: I could hear all the physicians your heart, your heart, um, Rob.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Dak Prescott and kind of his return from
Speaker 1: injury and his progress with throwing. I was it was
Speaker 1: a pleasant surprise yesterday out in the walkthrough. We weren't
Speaker 1: expecting to see much. And I made a joke on
Speaker 1: the fan of we may see Dek Prescott throw a
Speaker 1: saftball around, kind of how we were talking about on
Speaker 1: the podcast today prior. Well, he wasn't just throwing a
Speaker 1: saftball around. He was lobbing the football for a little
Speaker 1: bit with an equipment manager got in, did some walk
Speaker 1: throughs through the football too wide receivers, and then went
Speaker 1: to the far field and actually turned it up a
Speaker 1: notch and was thrown it to a Marie Cooper who
Speaker 1: was running routes. What did you see yesterday? Out of
Speaker 1: kind of the limited work we saw from those two,
Speaker 1: I saw that the ball never hit the ground. That's
Speaker 1: good credit to not only him but Marie Cooper. Right,
Speaker 1: he was cutting everything. So what they were doing is
Speaker 1: he was taking a snap, dropping back. Cooper was running
Speaker 1: different routes. They were running plays like different routes, and
Speaker 1: he'd throw to them. And it started off kind of
Speaker 1: short five yard toss, ten yard toss. I never saw
Speaker 1: him throw more than twenty yards down field, but some
Speaker 1: of the throws that were twenty yards were you know,
Speaker 1: deep outs, and he was getting it there seventeen yard,
Speaker 1: was starting to chart at seventeen yards fifteen yards, and
Speaker 1: he wasn't cutting it loose, but he was throwing it
Speaker 1: what do you think fifty sixty percent at least sixty
Speaker 1: feet somewhere in there. And then towards the end he
Speaker 1: did throw maybe three quarters speed. Uh, and he ramped
Speaker 1: it up. And you know, we'll see to date any
Speaker 1: residual effect from throwing it that much, but he didn't
Speaker 1: seem to have any problems throwing it. So I'm thinking
Speaker 1: um at at at at the earliest maybe next week possibly,
Speaker 1: but possibly for that final preseason game. Yeah. And I
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, based on some of those throws,
Speaker 1: it was more than just like Patton go lob it
Speaker 1: up to somebody. Yeah, yep, those were those were throws
Speaker 1: you gotta make in games. And and it was good
Speaker 1: to have a Maria out there because activating him or
Speaker 1: taking him off of active pup yesterday allows him to
Speaker 1: do that, you know, during a walkthrough. So, uh, that's good.
Speaker 1: That's a positive step for him. Although I don't think
Speaker 1: he's gonna jump right into practice kind of like DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 1: They're going to ramp him up. But yeah, no, that
Speaker 1: was that was that was a visible positive step for
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott that we had not seen it this point
Speaker 1: because Mike had mentioned the day before or a couple
Speaker 1: of days before light objects, you know, like he was
Speaker 1: tossing a soft softball around more than those little yellow
Speaker 1: things they were rolling out to the defensive guys recover
Speaker 1: a fumble. Yeah, so yeah, I thought it was I
Speaker 1: thought it was a great sign. And you know, from
Speaker 1: I think what we had learned before we even saw that,
Speaker 1: and you know, I think the trainers thought it was
Speaker 1: a three to four week injury and so um, and
Speaker 1: it looks like that's where they're at. And as you know,
Speaker 1: they captured Jim Miller saying, you know, we're being overly
Speaker 1: cautious to protect him, to make sure this is not
Speaker 1: a long term thing, that it's a short term thing.
Speaker 1: What did you think about his reaction to the whole
Speaker 1: that the holding back in the initial parts of the
Speaker 1: show where he was upset about the rep count that
Speaker 1: he had that they talked about. I sad enough, I
Speaker 1: kind of like that from my quarterback specific tell Dell
Speaker 1: and Double I didn't ask you to take this rep
Speaker 1: f right. Yeah, I kind of love Double G. That's
Speaker 1: that's what we've been called him out here. That's that's
Speaker 1: a side of Deck we don't we don't see, and
Speaker 1: it's not a bad side. That just shows how freaking
Speaker 1: competitive he is. You kind of feel that when you're
Speaker 1: around him. But yeah, to actually hear it from him
Speaker 1: that that's like, don't be taking me out of no reps.
Speaker 1: I got this right, And that's him. That's how competitive
Speaker 1: he is. And you know, and they established it when
Speaker 1: he did the interview about the injury. You know, him
Speaker 1: pointing out. He goes, I was trying to put it
Speaker 1: in place. I was trying to fix it. And we
Speaker 1: and we we assume that when we saw him trying
Speaker 1: to straighten out his ankle, athletes are wired differently. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would be passed out at that point. Yeah. Thanks,
Speaker 1: Just when you saw it, yes, not David the page, right,
Speaker 1: but when you saw it, and and and so yeah,
Speaker 1: you you you gotta you gotta understanding of what he
Speaker 1: thought at that time. And and yeah, and so now
Speaker 1: he's getting to play and it's like, well, don't be
Speaker 1: holding me back, and you know, and and he had
Speaker 1: been throwing. That's why I think there was this perception
Speaker 1: that it was overthrowing caused the injury, and it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It was one throw, a weird throw, and it caused
Speaker 1: the muscle to strain underneath his armpit. So um, yeah,
Speaker 1: so now everybody can just rest assure that it's not
Speaker 1: an ac joint. You know, he doesn't need Tommy John's surgery. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, he just needs rest. And that's the way
Speaker 1: they're you know, they're gonna treat it now. Yeah, thank
Speaker 1: goodness for that. And I did like to see the
Speaker 1: competitive side with him. I loved the the Zeken in
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott segment as well. I thought that was a
Speaker 1: funny little thing that whenever he opened the door and
Speaker 1: Dak was standing right there, he goes, what's doing? I mean,
Speaker 1: that was one of the funny I was a little
Speaker 1: skeptical that it was a little Hollywood license. Still thought
Speaker 1: coincidence was I mean, if you think about it, what
Speaker 1: are the coincidence that that was going to happen? Right?
Speaker 1: I feel like it's not that he didn't hear any
Speaker 1: from it felt like a producer moment. He didn't hear
Speaker 1: anything from Dak, like saying, hey, wait, wait, wait, you
Speaker 1: shut the door on me, right, what's up? No? I
Speaker 1: think the reason why he knocked on his doors because
Speaker 1: I was looking at Hard Knocks that day and they
Speaker 1: had like these big lights outside of Zeke's windows. So
Speaker 1: they had like this whole production outside his window. Stage. Well, no,
Speaker 1: because he's wrapping the present, right, So then he put
Speaker 1: lights in the room. Yeah, so they had the lights
Speaker 1: outside the window, right. Yeah. Okay, Hard Knocks and they're
Speaker 1: interviewing Zeke because he knew his room, let me go
Speaker 1: knocks on the door. Okay, so you're saying, you don't
Speaker 1: think it was stage. You think it was Daks seeing something.
Speaker 1: He probably walked by his room and saw the lights
Speaker 1: at the window because totally by that. They light at
Speaker 1: the windows so they can like get more light in
Speaker 1: the room because you know the rooms are a little dark. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they anes with you, so that's what they did. So
Speaker 1: he probably walked by and like, okay, they're doing something
Speaker 1: with Zeke in his room. I'm gonna knock on the door.
Speaker 1: He goes, what are you doing? And Zeke's reaction was legit. Yea.
Speaker 1: He didn't seemed like somebody faking surprise men. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I don't think Zeke was part of it. I
Speaker 1: think they told to go knock on the door. Okay,
Speaker 1: so how old were you when you wrapped your first president?
Speaker 1: Can I just say, okay, that's another thing that's that's legit, too,
Speaker 1: leg because we all know that's him. A bunch of
Speaker 1: us watched it together because we wrote. Dave wrote off
Speaker 1: of it last night and somebody said, oh, that's that's fake.
Speaker 1: They're just look, dude, I'm forty years old and I
Speaker 1: put gifts in bags with paper over you because I
Speaker 1: can't wrap a gift to save me. I probably went
Speaker 1: out about the wrapping paper for Zeke because they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get Dak a president. He's like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he got me one, so obviously that he had to
Speaker 1: order it because sure, right, So they probably said you
Speaker 1: got to wrap it. He's like, no, just give it
Speaker 1: to him. I got a bag. He's like, no, expensive bag.
Speaker 1: You can't get to put a president in. Sweet. The
Speaker 1: fact that he had to go to YouTube and find
Speaker 1: a video to try to figure out how to wrap
Speaker 1: a present, because I'll guarantee you what he was doing,
Speaker 1: that's my rapping today. No, you know, it comes up
Speaker 1: short and let's all just put this patch here, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: and patch it over the top, tape it and and
Speaker 1: but see his personality, he's childlike, right, And I guarantee
Speaker 1: you he never had to wrap a present before. I'll
Speaker 1: guarantee you he didn't. Yeah, I definitely see that. I
Speaker 1: guarantee you. You know, Christmas time Mom wrapped Dad's present
Speaker 1: and you know, and finally, you know, they told me
Speaker 1: I had to wrap a present. It's like, well, how
Speaker 1: do you do this? You know? And and and how
Speaker 1: many times did you try to put the wrapping paper
Speaker 1: there and you came up short and it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: you crumble that up and start again, or you start
Speaker 1: ripping off little pieces and trying to tape him on
Speaker 1: top of which is what he did, right, yeah? Yeah, yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh so, And in speaking on Zeke, I want to
Speaker 1: I want to take our first break when we come back.
Speaker 1: I want to talk more about what we learned about
Speaker 1: Zeke through out the show of Hard Knocks and how
Speaker 1: we can kind of use that to gauge what his
Speaker 1: availability will be throughout the preseason, because we've got plenty
Speaker 1: more to talk about from last night's Hard Knocks episode,
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Speaker 1: Cowboys final show from Oxnard, California. Are you guys a
Speaker 1: little sad? When I looked at the temperature back home,
Speaker 1: I was that's pretty much the one drawback, the biggest drawback.
Speaker 1: Somebody asked me, you're ready to go home? I go yeah,
Speaker 1: until I saw the temperature and it was ninety eight
Speaker 1: for five days in a row. Hey, we're going to
Speaker 1: Phoenix first, which it's probably gonna be one oh nine
Speaker 1: yesterday in Phoenix. Yes, yeah, it's gonna feel bombing by
Speaker 1: the time we get home. It's going to be fantastic, yell.
Speaker 1: But at least we're indoors and there's a roof. Right
Speaker 1: for the game, it'll be closed. Yeah, not when we
Speaker 1: get on the buses and get off the plane and
Speaker 1: do that kind of stuff. That'll be a little different
Speaker 1: to run five miles. Speak for yourself, Mickey, all right,
Speaker 1: see you get off. The one thing I've said the
Speaker 1: other day, and we kind of mentioned it very briefly
Speaker 1: on this show was the availability of Ezekiel Elliott and
Speaker 1: what he would see in the preseason if he should
Speaker 1: see playing time. I was of the mindset he would
Speaker 1: probably see a series or two one one maybe this
Speaker 1: week against Arizona most likely though against the Texans in
Speaker 1: that dress rehearsal game, and I think Hard Knocks kind
Speaker 1: of shot that down for me. Yesterday it was a
Speaker 1: conversation between Mike McCarthy and Stephen Jones saying, I think
Speaker 1: we should protect Zeek throughout the entirety of this camp,
Speaker 1: basically saying, let's not run him at all and let's
Speaker 1: try and make sure he's healthy for Week one against
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. I'm not against that mindset, but it did
Speaker 1: show that, hey, we can learn things along the way
Speaker 1: from watching HBO's Hard Knocks that premiered last night. Were
Speaker 1: there any other things along with that one that you
Speaker 1: guys learned yesterday Rob about this team and how things
Speaker 1: were being handled that you maybe didn't know previously. Um,
Speaker 1: that that Micah was quarterbacking the defense when he was
Speaker 1: out there and in week one of preseason, that he
Speaker 1: was taking the calls from Dan Quinn up in the
Speaker 1: booth and and and running that pre snap and that
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's a responsibility that that's that's a
Speaker 1: big one. And you know, whether he's going to do
Speaker 1: that all the time, I don't know, but I think
Speaker 1: that was good to see him do that, and um,
Speaker 1: you know, he that was a lot of fun just
Speaker 1: having him miked up and hearing was cool hear him
Speaker 1: talking about snacks in the middle of practice and in
Speaker 1: college and stuff like that. But yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: that shows they're willing to put a lot on his plate,
Speaker 1: and maybe more on his plate than we thought, just
Speaker 1: you know, just based on the different positions he's playing.
Speaker 1: You know, if if anyone paid attention to the mock
Speaker 1: game yesterday when they called first team offense, Zeke didn't
Speaker 1: go out there, so it was Pollard. So that kind
Speaker 1: of told you, no, if he gets any snaps, it's
Speaker 1: not this week. Uh. And then do I need to
Speaker 1: tell him my story about him? Think you have go ahead?
Speaker 1: So I don't know. It might have been ninety three,
Speaker 1: ninety four somewhere in there. It was probably after he
Speaker 1: had won a couple rushing time titles already, and we're
Speaker 1: in training camp and he's not in any of the
Speaker 1: preseason games the first couple and I went up to him,
Speaker 1: I said, don't you need to get in a preseason
Speaker 1: game to get used to getting hit again? And he
Speaker 1: looked at me and he goes, are you crazy? He goes,
Speaker 1: I know what it feels like to get hit. I
Speaker 1: don't need to be reminded. And I said, your honor,
Speaker 1: I withdraw my question. Yeah, and he got no snaps
Speaker 1: during preseason, and it was probably ninety four ninety five
Speaker 1: somewhere there, because ninety three wasn't there. Um, And so
Speaker 1: I always remembered that with a running back, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: they probably don't need to go and get jostled around there.
Speaker 1: They're pretty good. And so yeah, I would be surprised
Speaker 1: if if he uh, if he's used, and I thought
Speaker 1: what they did would Micah Parsons established his personality, right,
Speaker 1: I did. Uh. It's like, hey, come on, give me
Speaker 1: another one, and Quinn's like, no, we're done. Oh I
Speaker 1: want one more? No, no, he goes, I want one
Speaker 1: more Series two, You're done, and he tried to talk
Speaker 1: his way back into the darn game. Vanderesh laughed at him, right, like, rookie,
Speaker 1: did you ask him? You asked him the police for
Speaker 1: war snaps or vanders said, what are you doing? Try
Speaker 1: to make all the tackles. It was pretty funny because
Speaker 1: I'm sure Vanderish is going, Okay, this rookie guy. But
Speaker 1: but it's a preseason game. But he that's his personality, right.
Speaker 1: And the part about he was hungry and in Penn
Speaker 1: State we had snacks during practice, right, Lions always hungry man,
Speaker 1: Lions always hunk out to feed the lion. Right. You
Speaker 1: kind of knew he was going to be the star
Speaker 1: or the show and they'll there will be more of
Speaker 1: of Micah. I'm sure. One other thing about Zeke is
Speaker 1: there's not like a huge playbook on what he's done
Speaker 1: in preseason because when you think about it, they had
Speaker 1: no preseason last year. One year he held out. The
Speaker 1: year before that he did, he wasn't even here. And
Speaker 1: then I think the year before that, maybe twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: he was suspended. Right, so he hasn't been out. He
Speaker 1: was he in camp. He was in camp, he was
Speaker 1: in Penn because remember he protested it, and then it
Speaker 1: lasted till the ninth game, right, he didn't get suspended
Speaker 1: six games, he was, he was here six second half.
Speaker 1: But the last couple of camps he hasn't been in
Speaker 1: camp or in preseason. Last year, no games. Um, maybe
Speaker 1: that's why I couldn't hauld On on the football. Huh.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't think it helped anybody. Maybe I don't
Speaker 1: think that, you know, not having preseason helped anybody. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if he does much. And you know,
Speaker 1: Mike reference. I think it was to Stephen how good
Speaker 1: a shape he's in. But he's got a lot of
Speaker 1: carries on him over his career, so got to be
Speaker 1: mindful of that. I mean, he's got a couple two
Speaker 1: or three three hundred carry seasons on his resume. I
Speaker 1: want to also kind of go back to the Micah
Speaker 1: Parsons conversation there and Rob, I want to get your
Speaker 1: input on this. But Mica talked about it the other
Speaker 1: day about being a versatile player, about how it's it
Speaker 1: is a kind of a chess game. From a coordinator standpoint,
Speaker 1: you want to be a chess piece that can move
Speaker 1: multiple different ways. You don't want to be the rook
Speaker 1: who just can go forward and sideways. You want to
Speaker 1: be able to go diagonal. You want to be able
Speaker 1: to do different stuff. He was very illustrative on how
Speaker 1: he wants to be as a player. Do you think
Speaker 1: that there's a balance that has to be had between
Speaker 1: this coaching staff and with Micah Parsons from a mental standpoint,
Speaker 1: and then also his physical limitations because there's not a
Speaker 1: lot of physical limitations are none exactly, but that's but
Speaker 1: they're throwing a lot on him mentally to be able
Speaker 1: to call a defense running multiple But he's doing is
Speaker 1: repeating what the coach tells him in his ear. He's
Speaker 1: not like going the line of scrimma. That's easier said
Speaker 1: than done. Well, why if I give you we're gonna
Speaker 1: run streak right, you know, backside left, All I gotta
Speaker 1: do is come out and say that I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not like you're calling the defense. You're just repeating what
Speaker 1: the head coach telling or the defensive coordinator tells you.
Speaker 1: I think, And and look, he he was doing it
Speaker 1: when he was on nickel uh and he was the
Speaker 1: middle linebacker in the nickel, right. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: calling it when he's the strong side linebacker in the
Speaker 1: four three running with the first team J Smith and
Speaker 1: Vander Rather. I agree, because somebody else is going to
Speaker 1: have the green dot. You can only have one green
Speaker 1: dot on the field at a time too, by the way,
Speaker 1: So I just I don't know if they switch it
Speaker 1: helmets or how they're or maybe you can do it
Speaker 1: in the preseason, but when you get in the regular season,
Speaker 1: it's one green dot. Can't you have a backup green dot? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to too. So yeah, I just thought though
Speaker 1: that was that was a little inside nugget that we
Speaker 1: hadn't seen because he talked about it the other day,
Speaker 1: but we hadn't really seen that behind the scenes him
Speaker 1: doing that. That's a responsibility. But he had the thing
Speaker 1: on his helmet, okay, right, we didn't have audio of
Speaker 1: him doing it. It's my point, all right, So that
Speaker 1: that was pretty cool. Um, I do think, and I
Speaker 1: asked Mike McCarthy this early in camp, like the it's
Speaker 1: not that, not that part of it, but the number
Speaker 1: of different things he's being asked to do on the field,
Speaker 1: position wise, what's the balance of his plate? And Mike
Speaker 1: said at one point, maybe we're putting a little too
Speaker 1: much on him. Dan really hasn't said that. He said,
Speaker 1: if there's anything, it's it's the physical side, the amount
Speaker 1: of reps he's taking. And we think about he opted
Speaker 1: out last year, he didn't play, so there is that
Speaker 1: football shape element of it. But I I haven't seen
Speaker 1: anything that suggests this is too big for him. I mean,
Speaker 1: the way he played in the preseason game. He was
Speaker 1: as active as anybody out there. And you can tell
Speaker 1: he's willing to learn. He's he's with win between series,
Speaker 1: talking constantly, So I don't think it's an issue. And
Speaker 1: you know, and I think as we go along further,
Speaker 1: what he's being asked to do will be clearer. You know.
Speaker 1: That's what Dan has talked about over and over again.
Speaker 1: Find out what he's really good at and what he's
Speaker 1: comfortable with, and then we'll kind of tailor it to
Speaker 1: that he's good at everything. That's why last Friday when
Speaker 1: I wrote my column, I said, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: pigeonhole him and say he's a linebacker. He's a football player.
Speaker 1: Just put him on the field, ask him to do something,
Speaker 1: and he will do it. Do you hear what Dak said.
Speaker 1: He said, gol, he's fast. Well, that's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why you draft a guy like that. You're not
Speaker 1: drafting a linebacker. You are drafting a verstal, versatile football
Speaker 1: player who can do a lot of things. And Quinny
Speaker 1: even said it, he goes, right now, we're gonna ask
Speaker 1: guys to do a lot of stuff and then we'll
Speaker 1: find out what they can't do. This is when you
Speaker 1: find out what they can't do. So when I get
Speaker 1: into the regular games, you don't say, okay, try to
Speaker 1: do this. No, what I'm saying, though, he's a football player.
Speaker 1: If you look at before to the draft, everybody's like, well,
Speaker 1: he's a linebacker. We don't draft a linebacker that high. Well,
Speaker 1: he's a special linebacker. And we got to see that
Speaker 1: yesterday and and and just showing the highlights of one game,
Speaker 1: you see that he can do things that other normal
Speaker 1: linebackers can't do, and that's why you draft a guy
Speaker 1: that high. You don't draft an offensive lineman who would
Speaker 1: be sitting on the bench right now. I think I
Speaker 1: get what you're saying, and I actually agree with you
Speaker 1: to a certain extent. The thing that's impressed me the
Speaker 1: most from Michael Parsons, though, hasn't necessarily even been his versatility.
Speaker 1: It's been his ability to keep up with what they're
Speaker 1: throwing at him from a mental standpoint, because from a rookie,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's hard to do to be able
Speaker 1: to play multiple positions, have that understanding enough to one,
Speaker 1: like you said, repeat and call a defense, but you
Speaker 1: have to have an understanding to a certain stint to
Speaker 1: be able to play multiple positions and still do that.
Speaker 1: That's what's most impressed me, outside of what he does
Speaker 1: from a physical standpoint, because he's fantastic there as well.
Speaker 1: One thing he said to us the other day was
Speaker 1: this scheme is very similar to what he did at
Speaker 1: Penn State, which so great. So there's not a ton
Speaker 1: of new information. I mean, terminology is different and all that,
Speaker 1: But if you watched his tape in college, he rushed
Speaker 1: the passer a lot I mean he was That's what
Speaker 1: he's probably the best thing he was good at. You know,
Speaker 1: he's an off the ball linebacker, gap be gap blitzer man.
Speaker 1: He was great. He's great at that. You know, he
Speaker 1: was also good at that stop on the run too. Well,
Speaker 1: that's very instinctive. Yeah. Now the coverage part of it,
Speaker 1: that's something that maybe will improve with time. But I
Speaker 1: think like those first two things are things that he
Speaker 1: was just flat out dominant at. Looked like Mike Singletary
Speaker 1: out there making plays in college. So that was interesting
Speaker 1: that it's not this brand new scheme for him, and
Speaker 1: that's you know, and I'm sure that's part of the
Speaker 1: evaluation for the Cowboys and dan Quinn is like, oh,
Speaker 1: what he's doing in college works perfectly with my scheme
Speaker 1: and what I would have him do. Here. You heard
Speaker 1: what he said. He goes, I'm a football player, and
Speaker 1: I'm saying that's what he is. You don't need to
Speaker 1: put an LB by him, just put f P football
Speaker 1: player and then let him go. You know. It's like Palomlo, Right,
Speaker 1: Polomelo didn't have any restrictions. He kind of freelance back there.
Speaker 1: I remember Bill talking about Polomlo. He goes. He doesn't
Speaker 1: know what he's doing. He's just out there, you know,
Speaker 1: and you see it. So that's hard for us to
Speaker 1: predict what he's gonna do on any play because he's
Speaker 1: just freelancing out there. But if you know how to
Speaker 1: play the game, you can get away with that because
Speaker 1: if you make a mistake, you just might have enough
Speaker 1: athletic ability to compensate for your mistake. I agree. You
Speaker 1: sound like you're defending this draft pick. No, I'm not,
Speaker 1: you do. I'm just well, there was a lot of
Speaker 1: saying it's a terrible pick. There was a lot of
Speaker 1: criticism when they drafted him. Is there criticism now, No,
Speaker 1: they're starting to see, they're starting to see. That's the
Speaker 1: point that Rob's making is there was criticism at the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why because there were other options out there who would
Speaker 1: have been sitting on the bench and the corner Batley
Speaker 1: had given. Okay, who would whose pot was he taken?
Speaker 1: He could have definitely taken fifty two. I like Connor
Speaker 1: Williams and he's a fantastic camp But I mean, you
Speaker 1: don't know that. For Shawn Slater is a really good player, Okay.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm with Mickey here. Did you watch the
Speaker 1: defense last year? Oh? They were terrible. Okay. How would
Speaker 1: you not spend your first pick up somebody on defense
Speaker 1: to help you? You have somebody and they did. Okay.
Speaker 1: That's what people were upset about, is that they didn't
Speaker 1: want to be pigeonholed into a defensive player, and they
Speaker 1: felt that way with Micah Parsons. Even though Arsons is
Speaker 1: a really good football player and should have been drafted
Speaker 1: at the twelfth overall pick. There was nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1: It was the fact that they wanted a corner. They
Speaker 1: were both gone, and then they felt pigeonholed, and that's
Speaker 1: why people were upset. Yeah, well they should they I
Speaker 1: understand the corner thing. The corner one gonna stop you
Speaker 1: from giving up twenty five hundred yards rushing. Hopefully Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons can do that. Well, that's why can't. He can't
Speaker 1: do it by himself. It's gotta be a couple other guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy said he's gonna try to stop it all
Speaker 1: by himself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. Lion's always hungry, man.
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Speaker 1: We were talking about it in the break, but one
Speaker 1: extra note on Zeke from Hard Knox was does he
Speaker 1: have a new nick name or at least through the team.
Speaker 1: I missed it, so go ahead, Mick. No. I saw
Speaker 1: on the back of the stripe of his helmet vertically
Speaker 1: it was spelled out donkey, and I was like, what
Speaker 1: is that? I don't know why, and I said, we
Speaker 1: probably need to find out. I wonder if we'll have
Speaker 1: to ask ask Zeke that question at some point, because
Speaker 1: that's one I've never heard something. So that the practice
Speaker 1: you were talking about. Yeah, I didn't know who was
Speaker 1: the televising it. We are, And what's it on? Do
Speaker 1: you know t x A twenty one, Oh, Dallas cowboys
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Speaker 1: six teenth, all right, Monday, we get back so folks
Speaker 1: can watch that too. Watch it will Hall of Famer
Speaker 1: Drew Pearson is going to be on with Bill Jones.
Speaker 1: All right. Well, also somebody else is in the booth
Speaker 1: throughout the entire broadcast as well, some unknown voice, some
Speaker 1: some guy who started Hard Knocks. I thought they're going
Speaker 1: to rotate you guys, so we are. I'm I'm it's
Speaker 1: me and Bill the whole time, and then it rotates
Speaker 1: the writers with Drew. Okay, yeah, okay, whatever. I'm just
Speaker 1: reading the press release Oh, I'd never get it, said
Speaker 1: Bill Jones, And that's what I said. For press record,
Speaker 1: we're reading rock Sand's email. Yeah, that's true too. I
Speaker 1: don't I'm not big enough to make those either. Um
Speaker 1: preview for the game on Friday with the Cardinals, anything
Speaker 1: that we really need to hone in on Rob going
Speaker 1: into that matchup, that that you're watching and that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys need to accomplish. I mean, I'm curious to see
Speaker 1: how much the starters play. I would think, you know,
Speaker 1: if they treat this like the first kind of the
Speaker 1: first preseason game because they had an extra one, maybe
Speaker 1: they guys get a series, maybe two series again, but
Speaker 1: probably not a whole lot, because look after last year,
Speaker 1: what's the biggest goal here? Get everybody healthy to the season.
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't expect a ton from the starters, but
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see how much how much they play.
Speaker 1: And obviously Garrett Gilbert's probably gonna get that start. Do
Speaker 1: you think you'll see more of him throughout the game?
Speaker 1: You think maybe he'll get more than the two series,
Speaker 1: maybe go an entire half, especially because of the availability
Speaker 1: of Cooper Rush maybe being in question. I think he'll
Speaker 1: get I would bet he gets almost a half because
Speaker 1: without rush there then all you got is a Dunucine
Speaker 1: and he needs the reps because he's the guy if
Speaker 1: something were to happen to that moving forward, give him
Speaker 1: each a half. Yeah, you know, I don't know that
Speaker 1: they'll throw CD out there. Maybe else see again, uh
Speaker 1: Beadish Williams, Tyrn Smith. I don't know if Tyrone will
Speaker 1: go or not because they didn't sure didn't use him
Speaker 1: the first time, right and when they called first team offense, Uh,
Speaker 1: tyed n Secki was out there at left tackle. So yeah,
Speaker 1: be interesting to see if they if they hold him
Speaker 1: out and maybe give him that third game and then
Speaker 1: see what see what happens Um and even else, I think,
Speaker 1: what did he do? He played two series and I
Speaker 1: think he was out. Uh, And they brought in Terrence Steele,
Speaker 1: so so select veterans may so I think maybe from
Speaker 1: a defensive standpoint, you may see more starters out there
Speaker 1: like we saw in the first name. Trayvon Diggs did
Speaker 1: not play in the open or maybe he played. Gregory
Speaker 1: will probably get a snap or two. They might do that,
Speaker 1: and then the linebackers they used t Um and they
Speaker 1: probably couldn't tie Parsons down to keep them running out
Speaker 1: on the field unless they took his helmet away from him.
Speaker 1: A couple injury notes yes from from yesterday, we saw
Speaker 1: Malie Hooker take part in the walkthrough. He did. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's gonna play in this game, but
Speaker 1: he's ramping up, and maybe when we get back from Oxnard,
Speaker 1: he's ramping up and he can get some preseason work potentially.
Speaker 1: We asked you asked Joe Witt about that yesterday. He
Speaker 1: didn't really have an answer for us, but his activity
Speaker 1: on the field is increasing and he needs to get going.
Speaker 1: He might get left behind. Your big mystery of camp
Speaker 1: is Greg's airline in the kicking situation, right, and Bicky
Speaker 1: loves a kicker. Battle take it away, and I think
Speaker 1: Fossil basically spelled it out that he really doesn't need
Speaker 1: to kick. You know, he he thinks if he kicks.
Speaker 1: What he said was he kicks. If he can kick
Speaker 1: for three to four weeks leading to the first game,
Speaker 1: he'll be fine. And evidently he's been kicking behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: We haven't seen it. So he seems pretty confident that
Speaker 1: you'll get all greg zerline. Even though he's recovering. You know,
Speaker 1: I thought I thought the surgery was after the season.
Speaker 1: I was told it didn't happen till May. So no,
Speaker 1: they said Spring, No, maybe that was a tank. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so we're talking. Usually when you have a
Speaker 1: back issue like that with a disc, it's a three
Speaker 1: month recovery, so May, June, July. So he's kind of
Speaker 1: ramping up right now. They feel he feels totally confident
Speaker 1: that he'll just go out there and pick it up
Speaker 1: as normal. But you know, one of the things you
Speaker 1: got to consider is the operation because you're going to
Speaker 1: have a new holder and a new deep snapper. So
Speaker 1: but I guess maybe they're working on the side, and
Speaker 1: he seemed pretty confident. He also seemed pretty confident that
Speaker 1: Anger is going to be the punter. Ye when he
Speaker 1: called he called poor Hunter the punter, a developmental punter.
Speaker 1: He did, even though he was the starter, he right
Speaker 1: and kicked better than the start that was here initially.
Speaker 1: That's not a surprise though, I mean he we we
Speaker 1: talked to John in the spring offseason workouts and he
Speaker 1: talked about Hunter getting a chance to put some stuff
Speaker 1: on tape. You know, he's look Brian Anger's got ten
Speaker 1: years experience on him and look and punted well last year.
Speaker 1: But you know, John has a lot of sway clearly
Speaker 1: one personnel, I mean he does. You know Zeroline was
Speaker 1: his guy with the rams. They brought in Jake mcquad
Speaker 1: as a long snapper, so um yeah, it sounds like
Speaker 1: that's what they'll probably go without. Another guy that was
Speaker 1: out in the in the walkthrough yesterday was Gallimore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had come out and I guess it was I
Speaker 1: asked and it was an ankle, So I don't know
Speaker 1: why they were stretching out his leg when I saw that,
Speaker 1: but he was out it there, so maybe he can
Speaker 1: go U bash him. I did not see him out there,
Speaker 1: and Goodwin was at least on the chords, so that's
Speaker 1: kind of a move in the right direction for him.
Speaker 1: And it sounds like, um, Olana lewis probably dust in
Speaker 1: the for ir that's with the neck injury. They sounded
Speaker 1: like they might have some plans for him. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: had a chance. I wouldn't even say a chance. I
Speaker 1: think he was a favorite to kind of work his
Speaker 1: way in there because a full back, but as as
Speaker 1: one back kind of have that like h H back
Speaker 1: hybrid tie end type. A lot now depend on how
Speaker 1: and it's got to be serious enough that you know,
Speaker 1: they don't think he can get back in time to
Speaker 1: at least put him on the fifty three and then
Speaker 1: put him on IR to make him eligible to come off.
Speaker 1: But you know, when you're a guy like that, and
Speaker 1: and a lot of your job is to stick your
Speaker 1: head in there. After you hurt your neck, you're gonna
Speaker 1: put your neck up up in there again. Moose came
Speaker 1: back and did it. Well. I mean, we don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know the extent of the injury. We just
Speaker 1: know that he's got to just sound serious enough to yeah,
Speaker 1: probably land on IR. So that's one to you know.
Speaker 1: And then but they still use some of that formation.
Speaker 1: And they used Nick Ralston, the kid from from our
Speaker 1: gyle uh as the fullback and then use them one
Speaker 1: back and they use that same formation last year with
Speaker 1: Sean mcun so. They have some guys that are potentially confiding.
Speaker 1: So do you think they keep an extra tight end
Speaker 1: if they don't keep that fullback? I think so. But
Speaker 1: so Sprinkle might have a chance, honestly, Yeah. But that's
Speaker 1: that's the thing is, like I think you could have
Speaker 1: kept Alana Lua and just had him as kind of
Speaker 1: the flex position for both spots. That gives you that
Speaker 1: opens up another spot for somewhere else potentially. That's kind
Speaker 1: of maybe where they were thinking. I just thought the
Speaker 1: rep he had with Parsons I was gonna bring in
Speaker 1: the one on ones was really good. It was awesome,
Speaker 1: and he's got some swagger to him. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: that that was that was fun. It was something we
Speaker 1: might see, huh. It was something we didn't see with
Speaker 1: Alana Lua last year because one he being an undrafted
Speaker 1: free agent and a borderline active inactive guy on the
Speaker 1: practice squad. You never got to talk to him ever
Speaker 1: really last year. And then he comes out this year
Speaker 1: and you hear that the miked up stuff and he's
Speaker 1: talking with Michael Parsons. I mean, this is an undrafted
Speaker 1: free agent fullback talking with your first round linebacker and
Speaker 1: then joking him on a on around bard yourself on
Speaker 1: a wheel route. It was awesome, real quick on the show.
Speaker 1: I just because you're closer to Mike's age than I am,
Speaker 1: not by a ton, but Harry High school Charlie was
Speaker 1: blank around. It was it was it. Wait, are those
Speaker 1: terms that you had growing up in Chicago Heights, Charlie
Speaker 1: f around. Yeah, yeah, Harry High School and then it
Speaker 1: was Harry High School, get your get your butt out
Speaker 1: of the door. Sorry, I had to bring that. This
Speaker 1: is about waiting. No, that was that was that. The
Speaker 1: whole thing was priceless, Yes, priceless. And by the way,
Speaker 1: um so I had next to that note, Uh, Brad
Speaker 1: looked up online. Uh the suitcase it was two thousand
Speaker 1: and five hundred and fifty dollars. Yeah, it doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 1: Includes the bag, the orange one that it came in.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah yeah. Um. I kept getting questions about Vinny.
Speaker 1: Did I miss something? Vinny test? Is that what? No?
Speaker 1: Somebody was asking about Vinny. It was when Dax's GPS
Speaker 1: numbers were up and he was taking less reps and
Speaker 1: he said something to either CD or maybe Will McClay.
Speaker 1: He mentioned blocking Vinny and Dave and I went up
Speaker 1: and down the depth chart be nicknamed n Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. We had we had that as an un
Speaker 1: answered question as well, Well, we will figure it out.
Speaker 1: We're gonna find a way to find out who this
Speaker 1: Vinny character is. If everybody a nickname and we don't
Speaker 1: know him, you know, Yeah, it's true, it's true. Let's
Speaker 1: see we find you figured out at some point. Vicky,
Speaker 1: it has been a pleasure to have you back on
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