WEBVTT - Sideshow 13: The Legacy of Looking

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<v Speaker 1>Hey folks, Aaron here. Over the past six months, we've

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<v Speaker 1>dug up a lot of fascinating stories and gone on

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<v Speaker 1>an adventure that has spanned centuries. Honestly, who could have

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<v Speaker 1>imagined just how powerful the history of the American side

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<v Speaker 1>show actually was. But that journey brings us to the

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<v Speaker 1>present and to a very important question. Where is the

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<v Speaker 1>Side Show heading next? My teammates Robin and Taylor are

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<v Speaker 1>back today bringing you something a little bit different. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a story that you don't want to miss. And

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<v Speaker 1>now on with the show. Hey Taylor, good to see

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<v Speaker 1>you over here. Hi friend, we meet again. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is the first time listeners are meeting you on the

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<v Speaker 1>side of the mic. It sure is. I am Taylor Haggerdorn,

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<v Speaker 1>producer over here. I've been lurking doing some research behind

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes through it this see in of Grim and

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<v Speaker 1>Mild Presents. So, Taylor, we are officially coming to a

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<v Speaker 1>close for this season. This last episode marks the end

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<v Speaker 1>of our sideshow story. It does, but but we've got

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<v Speaker 1>some good news for everyone. Though we might be closing

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<v Speaker 1>out this season for Grim and Mild Presents, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>really big takeaway for us and for the listeners, The

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<v Speaker 1>physical side Show story isn't over yet. That's totally right.

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<v Speaker 1>So while this has been a history show, the side

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<v Speaker 1>Show itself isn't history. It's still alive, it's still evolving,

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<v Speaker 1>and it really has proven itself to be this totally

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<v Speaker 1>dynamic institution that continues to shape itself in response to

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<v Speaker 1>the current moment. I mean, even as we're recording this. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's so true, and that reminds me. I got an

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<v Speaker 1>email the other day that I want to share with you.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you remember episode seven, we talked about Bloomington, Normal, Illinois,

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<v Speaker 1>is this really important training ground for acrobats from across

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<v Speaker 1>the world. But what we didn't get to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>in that episode is that Illinois State University, which is

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<v Speaker 1>based in Normal, Illinois, has the oldest and longest running

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<v Speaker 1>collegiate circus in the United States. They've been performing since nine.

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<v Speaker 1>So this email that came in was announcing a return

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<v Speaker 1>to the Big Top this year for the first time

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<v Speaker 1>since COVID shut everything down. Oh. I love that. I

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<v Speaker 1>know you and I have both been wondering. We've been

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, you know, where we could go and experience

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<v Speaker 1>some of these things I've been learning about for the

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<v Speaker 1>past year. I mean, don't get me wrong, you know me.

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<v Speaker 1>I love books, and I love archives, and I love

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<v Speaker 1>being a general super sleuth. But what I really love

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<v Speaker 1>is getting up and close and personal to experiencing the

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<v Speaker 1>real deal. I couldn't have said about her. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>the exact same way. You know. Really, early on in

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<v Speaker 1>our research, I had been looking out for the real deal,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, thinking maybe there's this living person out there

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<v Speaker 1>who could help us tell the story not only where

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<v Speaker 1>the side show has been, but where it's going. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I sent you this piece that this Gale published

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<v Speaker 1>in Box. You know, as our project was evolving and

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<v Speaker 1>we started thinking, oh gosh, are we going to interview

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<v Speaker 1>folks for this? Who can we bring on to help

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<v Speaker 1>us tell this story? We just kept chatting about this piece,

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<v Speaker 1>so it became evident that we just had to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to her. It's exactly right. So we called up the author.

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<v Speaker 1>We sure did so without further ado. We would love

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<v Speaker 1>to hear from Kim Kelly, which me, are you interested

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<v Speaker 1>in here? I'm a bunch of things. Kim's a journalist

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<v Speaker 1>and community organizer, but recently she's become someone new, freshly

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<v Speaker 1>minted down on the sandy shores of Coney Island. She's

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<v Speaker 1>conjured and alter ego by the name of Greta the

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<v Speaker 1>Lobster Girl. I've always been interested inside show history, just

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<v Speaker 1>because they've always been interested in human history, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in like the weirder dustier corners. Of course, you

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<v Speaker 1>know Sid has fed the bill now, I know that

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<v Speaker 1>you can't see her, but Kim's inked just about head

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<v Speaker 1>to toe. She's got a guillotine, a lit match, a

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<v Speaker 1>Molotov cocktail. She's all tatted up in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>would make any union buster quiver. But though she's tattooed

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<v Speaker 1>all over, she still had some prime real estate left

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<v Speaker 1>to fill. So she found herself a tattoo artist and

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<v Speaker 1>got to work that there for four and a half

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<v Speaker 1>hours and get a big old lobster etched into my ribs.

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<v Speaker 1>Kim was born with extrodactility. It's the same genetic mutation

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<v Speaker 1>carried by the Styles family, the Lobster family from our

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<v Speaker 1>last episode. About one out of every nine babies is

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<v Speaker 1>born with it. It often causes limbs to fuse and truncate,

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<v Speaker 1>but it affects everyone differently. For Kim, that means she

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<v Speaker 1>was born with eight fingers, with two of her digits

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<v Speaker 1>on her left hand merged into one. Once I learned

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<v Speaker 1>how to paint my nails like, it's fine, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>still pretty good at paint in my nails as long

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<v Speaker 1>as I have you know, oh cute tip with no abolish,

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<v Speaker 1>but everyone needs that. Growing up in New Jersey, she

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<v Speaker 1>lived in a tiny working class community and went to

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<v Speaker 1>school with the same handful of kids until she was

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<v Speaker 1>a teenager. And as a kid, her claw was a

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<v Speaker 1>non issue. When you're around the same kids for the

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<v Speaker 1>first half of your life, everyone just got over it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it wasn't really that interesting because I saw

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<v Speaker 1>like it was doing everything they were. The thing is,

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<v Speaker 1>I did never made a big deal out of it,

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<v Speaker 1>because I was like, well, this is well, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you want? You want me to grow more? I tried

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<v Speaker 1>and life was pretty good, but becoming a teenager is

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<v Speaker 1>never that easy. She eventually went to a new school,

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<v Speaker 1>and there she had to confront a whole flock of

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<v Speaker 1>new faces, teachers and students who probably meant well but

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<v Speaker 1>weren't quite sure how to accommodate her. I was just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out how to fit in, and I

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<v Speaker 1>had to go to typing class and I sat down

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, oh, this is gonna be a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>I went up to the T shirt and was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't do this and just kind of like waggled

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<v Speaker 1>my fingers at her and she looked shell shocked, like

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<v Speaker 1>oh um okay, Like, well, we'll figure this out. And

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<v Speaker 1>the accommodation that they offered was like, okay, well you

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<v Speaker 1>can sit off to the side and like you can

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<v Speaker 1>look at the keyboard for tests. I basically bullied them

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<v Speaker 1>into letting me drop the class and do homemak instead.

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<v Speaker 1>So then I just spent the rest of the year

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<v Speaker 1>using the sewing machines to alter my band T shirts.

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<v Speaker 1>Worked out great. She eventually made her way out of

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey and into the world. She hung around in

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<v Speaker 1>the metal scene, touring as a roadie before signing a

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<v Speaker 1>lease in New York City. She was working as a writer,

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<v Speaker 1>getting byelines from big name publications on topics ranging from

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<v Speaker 1>music to labor rights to disability issues and sometimes you

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<v Speaker 1>should know work and play intersect for Kim in really

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<v Speaker 1>amazing ways. It was her partner, her Coney Island Baby

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<v Speaker 1>as she calls him, who told Kim something really interesting. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember that old saying about running away to join the circus, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>at one time there was a lot of truth to it.

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<v Speaker 1>People did indeed do that, but Kim didn't need to

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<v Speaker 1>take any drastic measures to get a taste of that

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<v Speaker 1>circus life. Instead, herner told her that she could go

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<v Speaker 1>and roll inside shows school and one right in Coney

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<v Speaker 1>Island at that So Kim set her sights on enrolling,

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<v Speaker 1>and even better, she thought, if she could get paid

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. So she pitched the story and an

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<v Speaker 1>editor gave her the green light, and just like that,

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<v Speaker 1>it was go time. It was a muggy summer morning

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<v Speaker 1>on Coney Island. The air smelled like salt and hot

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<v Speaker 1>dog grease. Kim was sleepy, nervous, and didn't know what

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<v Speaker 1>to expect, and as it happens, she didn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>wait long to find out. I was definitely the only hustler.

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<v Speaker 1>They're handful of people. It was such a cool mix,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of them still in touch with There is

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<v Speaker 1>a husband and wife duo from I think Massachusetts there

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe they're fifties or something. They're retired and they're

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of daredevils. They're very cool, uh, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a magician's assistant from Colorado who had been doing amateur

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<v Speaker 1>fire eating and had managed to poison herself at one point,

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<v Speaker 1>so she wanted to learn how to do it for real.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a magician from France. There was a chaos

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<v Speaker 1>magician from Chicago. Came in. Her classmates were welcomed in

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<v Speaker 1>by the head of school. At one point he was like, oh, now,

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<v Speaker 1>do we have any natural boards here? And I raised

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<v Speaker 1>my hand and never kind of turned looked to me

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<v Speaker 1>and were like, WHOA, And I don't think they've ever

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<v Speaker 1>had a natural born show up to take the classes.

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<v Speaker 1>She suddenly found herself sitting a little bit taller, like

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<v Speaker 1>it was the first sort of little lightning bolt moment

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<v Speaker 1>where it was like, oh, this is so in this

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<v Speaker 1>strange little world, like I'm like, I'm coming out on top.

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<v Speaker 1>While her hand never felt like much of a detriment here,

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<v Speaker 1>it was definitely an asset. This aspect of my existence

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<v Speaker 1>has always been a little bit of a thorn in

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<v Speaker 1>my side is actually regarded as something that's positive and desirable.

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<v Speaker 1>Even for the next week, she found herself working on

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of new skills fire reading, sword swallowing, hammering nails,

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<v Speaker 1>upper nose, and setting mouse traps with her tongue, just

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<v Speaker 1>to name a few. The difference between sideshow and magic

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<v Speaker 1>is this ship is real, like you're really sticking tenant

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<v Speaker 1>is a steel down your throat or putting a burning

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<v Speaker 1>torch in your mouth or walking on glass. You just

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<v Speaker 1>have to figure out the way to do it that

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<v Speaker 1>it won't kill you. But it wasn't just the tease

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<v Speaker 1>of mortal injury that made this experience so exciting. It

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<v Speaker 1>was also the fact that Kim showed up here at

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<v Speaker 1>Coney Island at a pivotal moment in the history of

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<v Speaker 1>American entertainment. Coney Island isn't what it used to be.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, it's far from it. Coney Island is a

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood in Brooklyn, but it was also once one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most famous amusement destinations in the world. It was

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<v Speaker 1>Disney World before while Disney was out of diapers, and

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<v Speaker 1>the side show was a main draw. But the side

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<v Speaker 1>show as we remember it in this series has fallen

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<v Speaker 1>out of fashion in some of the most spectacular ways. Today.

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<v Speaker 1>The side shows, with all of the trains, the glitz,

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<v Speaker 1>the glamour, the larger than life characters have almost all

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<v Speaker 1>but disappeared. When I go to the circus today, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel it akin to going to colonial Williamsburg, that it's

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<v Speaker 1>as much a um, a step back in history, museum

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<v Speaker 1>piece as it is an actual form of entertainment. This

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<v Speaker 1>is Dr Robert Thompson, or Bob as he likes to

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<v Speaker 1>be called. I'm a professor of popular culture at Syracuse University.

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<v Speaker 1>We still have traveling circuses, and we still have sideshows,

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<v Speaker 1>but he says they're stuck in time. They just can't

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<v Speaker 1>compete anymore. I can get way better entertainment watching nine

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<v Speaker 1>episodes of squid Game in a row than I can

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<v Speaker 1>watching a bunch of dogs jumping through hoops. I again

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<v Speaker 1>apologize to the circus industry. Bob studies the history of

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<v Speaker 1>mass entertainment television specifically, He's been doing this since the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighties, back when ABC, CBS and NBC Reigns, Supreme

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<v Speaker 1>and weekly TV sides were a north star from millions

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<v Speaker 1>of people. I can tease Bob about watching TV for

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<v Speaker 1>a living, and there's a lot of truth to it,

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<v Speaker 1>but his journey has been far more expansive. And here

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<v Speaker 1>you mean he is far from a professional couch potato,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a curious seeker, a professional time traveler. They quickly

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<v Speaker 1>became apparent. To understand television, you really had to understand

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<v Speaker 1>what had happened in radio. To understand radio, you had

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<v Speaker 1>to understand what happened in vaudeville. To understand vaudeville, you

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<v Speaker 1>had to understand what happened in the circus. That leads

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<v Speaker 1>to the side show. The enduring appeal of the side show,

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<v Speaker 1>Bob says, was that you saw stuff there that you

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<v Speaker 1>just couldn't see anywhere else, and the fact that it

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<v Speaker 1>came straight to your hometown was a huge deal in

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<v Speaker 1>This formula worked for a really long time, But as

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<v Speaker 1>the twentieth century ticked on, the American side show began

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<v Speaker 1>to lose its hold on our attention and to lose

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<v Speaker 1>its sparkle. The American entertainment diet was growing. There were

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<v Speaker 1>now more in different kinds of excitement and write in

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<v Speaker 1>our own homes too, And at the same time, conversations

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<v Speaker 1>around disability were beginning to change. Back in the heyday

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<v Speaker 1>of the side show, you aren't necessarily going to see

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<v Speaker 1>disabled folks just kind of going about their day because

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<v Speaker 1>there are very few options for that day. You're either

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<v Speaker 1>staying at home with relatives, or you're institutionalized, or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you're able to participate in society if your disability was

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<v Speaker 1>deemed acceptable. But really, the side show is one of

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<v Speaker 1>the very few options for people who are disabled to

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<v Speaker 1>work and get out in the world, and also for

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people who weren't to see people disabilities out

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. Famously, disabled President Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed

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<v Speaker 1>the Social Security Act, in which secured general welfare rights

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<v Speaker 1>for all Americans. Medicine has advanced as a disability rights

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<v Speaker 1>movement has made major gains. I think it's less yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's less exotic to see someone who's missing a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of bits and pieces on his stage. And in trying

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<v Speaker 1>to protect performers, laws started cropping up outlong human exhibitions.

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<v Speaker 1>Often this caused willing performers to lose their livelihoods. As

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<v Speaker 1>all of these changes were implemented, Kim says, the general

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<v Speaker 1>public began to feel more conflicted about human spectacles. Not

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<v Speaker 1>only were they not sure if it was right to

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<v Speaker 1>go see them, the visitors weren't sure if they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be seen at the side show, and at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, travel was becoming easier too, and more and

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<v Speaker 1>more car more on our road than last year, and

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<v Speaker 1>there will be more next year. Highways have been around

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<v Speaker 1>for a minute, but thanks to a federal push, we

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<v Speaker 1>began to more seriously strive for roadway connectivity. In the

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<v Speaker 1>post Second World War economic boom, people were taking to

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<v Speaker 1>the roads in flashy new cars, recreating harder and faster,

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<v Speaker 1>and in greater numbers than ever before. By the late

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifties, more than seventy five percent of American households

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<v Speaker 1>owned a car. Starting in nineteen sixty seven, over forty

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<v Speaker 1>miles of interstate were constructed under the Federal Highway Administration.

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<v Speaker 1>People didn't have to wait until the circus train showed

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<v Speaker 1>up once a year. Now they could go find fun

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<v Speaker 1>on their own. But in all of that, in the slippery,

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<v Speaker 1>shifting tectonic plates of culture, one thing didn't change, the

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<v Speaker 1>acute truth that time and attention was money, something of

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<v Speaker 1>course that P. T. Barnum had mastered. I think Barnum,

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part, really understood the sense that human

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<v Speaker 1>beings liked to see things that would amaze them, and

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose that's part of what defines us as humans

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<v Speaker 1>is that we are curious and we are constantly looking

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<v Speaker 1>for new stimulation. Barnum's legacy is, as you know by now,

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<v Speaker 1>really complicated, but we can't deny that he was in

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<v Speaker 1>the right at the right time to do what he did.

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<v Speaker 1>What Barnum did was to simply bring together all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of things that were happening in the relatively young country

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States in an era where industrialization, a

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<v Speaker 1>new technologies, new audiences coming from all over the world

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<v Speaker 1>in waves of immigration. All of that stuff was happening

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<v Speaker 1>at once, and his visionary DNA, the double helix of

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<v Speaker 1>fact and fiction that made him so rich and so infamous,

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<v Speaker 1>can still be seen threaded throughout almost all of one

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<v Speaker 1>century media. In fact, the side show as pe Team

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<v Speaker 1>Barnum engineered it has simply relocated to our television sets

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<v Speaker 1>Enter Reality TV, SMI Jam, First Person Voted off the

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<v Speaker 1>Island Sorry. The genre has been kicking around since the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifties, and when it appeared, audiences loved the upclose

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<v Speaker 1>and personal feel and the surprise element of it too.

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<v Speaker 1>They clung to the alert of authenticity that they felt

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<v Speaker 1>unscripted television could give to them. After all it was

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<v Speaker 1>a look into other people's lives, and it's gone through

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<v Speaker 1>many evolutions and mutations since then. Today, reality TV is

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<v Speaker 1>a veritable treasure trove of characters. Flip through the channels

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<v Speaker 1>and you'll find every kind of head turner, from Island

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<v Speaker 1>Castaways two Giant Cakes, from rich Housewives to supernatural huntings,

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<v Speaker 1>all with the press of a button. And these shows,

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<v Speaker 1>without a doubt, have long been starmakers. They've created fortune,

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<v Speaker 1>they've launched careers, and famously, as we saw in the

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<v Speaker 1>presidential election, even political campaigns and baked into this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of TV is something Quintus actually barnems clever editing big personalities,

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<v Speaker 1>dramatic storylines which altogether make for some pretty potent optical catnip.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean all this stuff that was completely fabricated from

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<v Speaker 1>start to finish, because once Barnum got ahold of you,

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<v Speaker 1>you may have been a real, living, breathing human being,

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<v Speaker 1>but you became the actor in a very complex fiction

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<v Speaker 1>of they're making not yours. When you agree to go

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<v Speaker 1>on Jerry Springer, when you agreed to go on the

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<v Speaker 1>Real World back then, you were essentially agreeing to be

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<v Speaker 1>an actual person going onto something called reality but you

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<v Speaker 1>were inserting yourself into a dramaturgical setting that someone else

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<v Speaker 1>was controlling. There's a whole genre of shows where the

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<v Speaker 1>body is center stage. Sometimes those bodies are being celebrated,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes they're suffering is put on display, and other

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<v Speaker 1>times it's somewhere in between. And maybe you've tuned into

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<v Speaker 1>some of the programming yourself. You know My six Pound Life,

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<v Speaker 1>My Strange Addiction, seven Little Johnston's, the Gypsy Sisters. On

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<v Speaker 1>these shows, the cameras work like a thousand electronic barnums.

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<v Speaker 1>They direct and even exploit our attention so that we

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<v Speaker 1>see exactly what they want us to see. They brought

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<v Speaker 1>us into shock, into awe, and into amazement. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>worth acknowledging too that some of the people featured in

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<v Speaker 1>these shows, such as Little People, Big World, are also

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<v Speaker 1>the executive producers. This gives them varying degrees of control

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<v Speaker 1>over their stories. We can see them as modern day

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<v Speaker 1>air as of performers like Lavinio, Warren Zip and Frank Lentini,

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<v Speaker 1>just to name a few. French philosopher Guide de Board

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<v Speaker 1>wrote that we live in a world united by our

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<v Speaker 1>consumption of two d images. He is a term for this,

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<v Speaker 1>the society of spectacle. Here, he tells us our reality

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<v Speaker 1>has been fractured into pieces, pieces which in turn become commodities.

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<v Speaker 1>We work hard at appear in a certain way every

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<v Speaker 1>time we post for a selfie or agonize over the

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<v Speaker 1>perfect caption we perform. Performance, of course, has always been

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<v Speaker 1>a part of social engagement, but it wasn't always captured

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<v Speaker 1>in two dimensions. Debor proposes that we have become a

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<v Speaker 1>world of isolated people, united only through collective exposure to

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<v Speaker 1>the same pictures. Debor died, but his words still hit

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<v Speaker 1>close to home at a time when we live our

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<v Speaker 1>collective lives on the digital stage. You see long Gone

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<v Speaker 1>or the side show barkers, but we still use their language.

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<v Speaker 1>We still have platforms. It's just that now instead of

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<v Speaker 1>the bally shouting for attention above the crowd, we are

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<v Speaker 1>the ones doing the work. The folks who we all

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<v Speaker 1>watch on these new pocket sized platforms Instagram, TikTok, YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>are becoming the main character of their own stories. As

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<v Speaker 1>gen Z likes to say, one person is no longer

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<v Speaker 1>in charge of the narratives of many, as Barnum was

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<v Speaker 1>in the case of choice, heth and in the case

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<v Speaker 1>of Julia Pastrana, Sarkee Bartman, and countless other people who

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<v Speaker 1>became ensnared in the Traveling sideshow world. Creators, the performers

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<v Speaker 1>are taking back control. They produce their own content, they

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<v Speaker 1>control their own storylines, and they make their own money.

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<v Speaker 1>And by they, I am very likely talking about you

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<v Speaker 1>and me. In September of the Washington Post published the

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<v Speaker 1>story of twenty two year old Coparanga Tatoyo, a woman

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<v Speaker 1>from the Tattoo indigenous community deep in the Amazon Rainforest.

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<v Speaker 1>Conaparanga is her own content. She posts about her day

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<v Speaker 1>to day life, her community, and her cultural traditions. Conaparanga

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<v Speaker 1>has over six point four million followers, a sizeable audience

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<v Speaker 1>Barnum could have only dreamt of. People come to learn

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<v Speaker 1>from her, They see things they haven't seen before, and

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<v Speaker 1>straight from the source. In the old school side show world,

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<v Speaker 1>we've heard countless tales of Indigenou people being conscripted into labor.

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<v Speaker 1>They've been given new names, wildly fabricated stories, and no

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<v Speaker 1>exit plan. It's hard not to be struck by how

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<v Speaker 1>much smaller our world has become. And now who gets

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<v Speaker 1>to control of the story As viewers Bob says, this

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<v Speaker 1>desire to have our attention captured is programmed into who

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<v Speaker 1>we are. Human beings are always going to want to

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<v Speaker 1>be amused, and I think they're probably always going to

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy being amused more than they enjoy doing this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that they have to do. So Uh, entertainment is always

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<v Speaker 1>going to be with us. I think entertainment, like sex

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<v Speaker 1>and eating and keeping warm are is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>properties of things human beings are always going to be

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<v Speaker 1>looking for. Kim, on the other hand, puts it more simply.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, hughes are pretty simple. From the dawn of time,

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<v Speaker 1>we wanted to see other people do crazy shit. If

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<v Speaker 1>you were alive today, I'd have my money on Barne

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<v Speaker 1>being out in Palo Alto somewhere, trading in his coat,

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<v Speaker 1>tails for a hoodie and caviare for red bull. He

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<v Speaker 1>would be knee deep in the trenches of attention economics,

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<v Speaker 1>fine tuning those algorithms that riddle our brains with feel

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<v Speaker 1>good hits of dopamine. He would be making big money

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<v Speaker 1>to keep us scrolling for our next fix, and he

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<v Speaker 1>would be very very good at it too. Barnum was

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<v Speaker 1>able to capitalize on our very human need for novelty,

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<v Speaker 1>and now we hold his legacy in the palm of

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<v Speaker 1>our hands. And as for the quite literal, quite physical

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<v Speaker 1>entity of the Side Show itself, it continues to evolve,

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<v Speaker 1>and Kim is now part of that legacy. She would

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<v Speaker 1>have stayed on at Coney Island Side Show had the

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<v Speaker 1>pandemic not shuttered its doors, but she says, the form

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<v Speaker 1>and the community will continue to innovate as technology does

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<v Speaker 1>it always has. Over the course of the coronavirus pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>performers have moved into more digital spaces, making a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of magic in an otherwise dark time. I hope,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that there's always going to be an

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<v Speaker 1>Apple date to see something a little weird and see

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<v Speaker 1>something a little freaky. It's one thing to watch a

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<v Speaker 1>performance on your laptop on your phone, but there's another

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<v Speaker 1>to feel the flames on your cheeks and see the

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<v Speaker 1>sweat pouring down someone's face when they're walking on glass.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you can't replicate that until that time comes again.

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<v Speaker 1>Kim keeps busy. She hasn't been keeping up on her

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<v Speaker 1>new skills, but that's okay, yeah, right. All my nails

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<v Speaker 1>have gone all rusty this past year from my blockhead routine.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta guess some new nails, COVID casualties. What we

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<v Speaker 1>do know to be true that whatever form the Sideshow

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<v Speaker 1>next takes and continues to take, the audience will be waiting.

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<v Speaker 1>It just might look a little bit different. But as humans,

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<v Speaker 1>we just can't help ourselves. For better or for worse,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't look away. This season of Grim and Mild

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<v Speaker 1>Presents couldn't have happened without my troop of amazing colleagues,

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<v Speaker 1>including and not limited to, Taylor Aggernorn, Sam Alberty, Aaron

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<v Speaker 1>Minky and her friends over at iHeart Media, Alex Williams,

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Thane, and Jesse Funk. I'm Robin Minteer, your host

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<v Speaker 1>today and writer and producer of the series. To learn

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<v Speaker 1>more about the side show, head on down to Coney

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<v Speaker 1>Island or visit the P. T. Barna Museum in Bridgeport, Connecticut,

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<v Speaker 1>or even the Barnam Archives at Tufts University. And while

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<v Speaker 1>you're there, go say hi to Jumbo. A special thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to Casta Alba, Carl Nellis, Dr Bob Thompson, and Kim Kelly,

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<v Speaker 1>who all helped give this season just a little more shine.

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<v Speaker 1>But Grim and Mild Presents isn't over yet, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you stick around for just a few more minutes, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>give you a preview of what's ahead. Everyone loves a

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<v Speaker 1>good story, and since you're listening, chances are you're also

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<v Speaker 1>fond of pirates. From sailing the high seas and buried

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<v Speaker 1>tre pisure to swilling rum and singing shanties, pirates have

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<v Speaker 1>come to represent a lot about the human spirit. Through

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<v Speaker 1>the centuries, we've fallen in love with adventure, danger and exploration. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>we never tire of hearing about pirate life. In Sweden,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, there's a story that's been handed down from

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<v Speaker 1>generation to generation, and like other pirate tales the world over,

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<v Speaker 1>people love it so much they don't care whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>true or not. The story goes that back in the

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<v Speaker 1>fifth century, there was once a mighty Scandinavian king with

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<v Speaker 1>a lovely daughter, young Princess a wildness. Beauty was such

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<v Speaker 1>that her father, King Sanartis, locked her away in a tower.

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<v Speaker 1>For her protection, of course, and to ensure that no

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<v Speaker 1>ordinary man could easily scale the tower, he surrounded it

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<v Speaker 1>with deadly snakes and traps. While many men failed. Prince

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<v Speaker 1>Alf of Denmark succeeded in breaching the castle and then

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<v Speaker 1>asked the king for his daughter's hand in marriage, to

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<v Speaker 1>which the king agreed. They had a problem. Though the

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<v Speaker 1>princess had vanished from the tower, you see, a Wilda's

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<v Speaker 1>beauty was matched only by her feistiness and sense of independence.

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<v Speaker 1>With her mother's help, the princess had made her escape,

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<v Speaker 1>accompanied by her strong willed handmaidens and other young women, who,

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<v Speaker 1>much like the princess, were also promised to men they

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<v Speaker 1>had never met. They dressed as sailors and made off

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<v Speaker 1>with a ship, deciding to explore the world, and during

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<v Speaker 1>their travels, the women came across a pirate ship that

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<v Speaker 1>had recently lost its captain. Enamored with a Wilda and

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<v Speaker 1>her crew, the men voted her to be their new leader,

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<v Speaker 1>knowing that her father still searched for her. A Wilda

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<v Speaker 1>and the other women wore helmets to hide their long hair.

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<v Speaker 1>The princess, pirates and her crew earned a fierce reputation

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<v Speaker 1>raiding many merchant ships on the Scandinavian seas, and like

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<v Speaker 1>all pirates, they soon had a bounty on their heads.

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<v Speaker 1>The King of Denmark placed his son alf in charge

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<v Speaker 1>of the navy sent him to eliminate the troublesome pirates.

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<v Speaker 1>The prince quickly located them, and a great battle ensued.

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<v Speaker 1>While his crew engaged with a Wilda's, he and the

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<v Speaker 1>princess faced each other, swords drawn. They dueled, neither of

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<v Speaker 1>them getting the better of the other. Having become impressed

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<v Speaker 1>with her rival and seeing something familiar about him, a

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<v Speaker 1>Wilda removed her helmet. The prince instantly recognized the princess

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<v Speaker 1>and dropped to one knee to propose, which she accepted.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, the battle ended and a wedding took place instead.

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<v Speaker 1>A Wilda's pirate ship and Alf's naval fleet returned side

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<v Speaker 1>by side to Denmark. The newlyweds were welcome to Denmark

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot of fanfare. A message was sent to

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<v Speaker 1>King Sanartis, who was also pleased with the marriage. A

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<v Speaker 1>Wilda and Alf went on to have a daughter together,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was said that she was just as beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>and fierce as her mother, And when the king died,

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<v Speaker 1>the couple ruled long and well and all. Our fictional

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<v Speaker 1>introduction story is the stuff worthy of a Disney movie.

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<v Speaker 1>We're about to embark on a different sort of journey

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<v Speaker 1>a historical adventure into the most legendary real life rogues

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<v Speaker 1>of the seas. I'm Aaron Mankey, and welcome two pirates.