Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to another edition to All the Smoke. Jack. We
Speaker 1: went out and got it made. A lot of people
Speaker 1: have been asking for this, dude. Man, we tracked them
Speaker 1: down real one. You already know real One don't get
Speaker 1: no real bullies get bully where he comes from. And
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Welcome to show man Z. But what's up, bro? Man?
Speaker 1: What's up? What's up to see? Man? We finally tracked
Speaker 1: you down. Many be on the move busy after basketball? Man,
Speaker 1: been a blessing. Man. You know what. I'm thankful man,
Speaker 1: you know, but we come from man. You know when
Speaker 1: I made it out of there, I made it. So
Speaker 1: you know, thankful every day and I count my blessing.
Speaker 1: So what's life being like after basketball for you? You
Speaker 1: were talking before you very busy father business. Talk to
Speaker 1: us about what's going on with you after basketball had
Speaker 1: been up and down? Bro? You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But you know, overall, you know what, I'm thankful. You
Speaker 1: know I has some losses closet, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: double law rest in peace, you know, right after I
Speaker 1: retire so you know mom before that couple of years before,
Speaker 1: so I think he was with me then. But sides
Speaker 1: that everything kids, everybody safe and healthy and you know,
Speaker 1: just being strong and you know, being a leader for
Speaker 1: the family. You know, it's really it's important. Obviously was
Speaker 1: a disaster for the world. Um, halfway through one. What
Speaker 1: are you encouraged about? Moving forward? Man? Just everything? Man?
Speaker 1: You know how everything going just where we hadn't you
Speaker 1: know going and where we you know, forward to as
Speaker 1: a black culture. You know what stack Jack doing, what
Speaker 1: you're doing, you know, being the community. You know, we
Speaker 1: always be in the community, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's ain't nothing for us and just helping it. Um,
Speaker 1: sure everything has been going good. Whoever you been paying
Speaker 1: attention to an NBA this season and all of them,
Speaker 1: you know, I've been. I love the game, so you know,
Speaker 1: I love the league and what's where it's at. So
Speaker 1: you know I watched you know, specially Grizzy, a little
Speaker 1: joh you know, the Spartan dogs on their jar and
Speaker 1: X so you know, watching them in Portland. You know,
Speaker 1: I just I like the league and you know I
Speaker 1: got still a lot of youngsters, you know, I talked
Speaker 1: to and um so I watched them. So I'm a
Speaker 1: fan of the game. With twenty and tens Ebo doing
Speaker 1: this at NBA, man, probably thirty and twenty. You can
Speaker 1: keep up the knees out there. I don't know that. Yes,
Speaker 1: all the stuff they got now, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: they probably me real slim, you know, so you know
Speaker 1: where the game is that? Man, it's sly good. You know.
Speaker 1: I like the game. You know, it spread out, you
Speaker 1: show a lot of guys skills and you've been stepping
Speaker 1: off jump. Yeah, so you know what I mean that
Speaker 1: jumper being wet so and these guys showing their skills
Speaker 1: set you know, like the game To me, it's like
Speaker 1: a revolving clock. I think everybody everything's gonna come back
Speaker 1: around full. So you know you're gonna get a class
Speaker 1: with four shocks and you know on me, you know,
Speaker 1: so you know, I like where the game is that.
Speaker 1: Um Thoughts on the game being so guard oriented as
Speaker 1: you mentioned skilled, Um it skills at all time high.
Speaker 1: Uh and it's very guards dominated. Thoughts on that because
Speaker 1: I mean when we came to the league, we used
Speaker 1: to play and you were wonting someone inside out the
Speaker 1: ball had to touch the paint before we shot, but
Speaker 1: before we did anything. Now it's balls running the guards
Speaker 1: and it's like, like I just say it, like you said,
Speaker 1: the game when he's coming in, the big man had
Speaker 1: to touch the ball. The ball to go to the post.
Speaker 1: That's how you start to play. You had to so,
Speaker 1: you know, but the game is different now, and it
Speaker 1: started to change, like I think for me towards, like
Speaker 1: in Memphis towards you know, when they put me on
Speaker 1: the bench and they wanted the fids want us play
Speaker 1: smaller and the line up so Golden State was doing anything.
Speaker 1: A lot of teams seeing how he was playing, and
Speaker 1: you don't wanted to adapt to that. But I like it, man,
Speaker 1: And I think if I was out there, you know,
Speaker 1: i'd be helling a bid. It's they've got some teams
Speaker 1: that played the old way because you know, Golden State
Speaker 1: they played through their big Yeah. You still got the
Speaker 1: same comedy, big normal big yeah. Yeah. So what what
Speaker 1: what bigs impress you the most? I like um and
Speaker 1: be you know, he's be so and you know a
Speaker 1: lot of bigs. Man a young boy from u um Zion.
Speaker 1: He's special you yeah, some similar he's more athletic. I mean,
Speaker 1: if he can, you imagine what he would have been
Speaker 1: like with Zion's athleticism. Been over crazy boys special, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Uh, you know LaMelo. So you know,
Speaker 1: I just like the game and these young players they're
Speaker 1: different and you know, they got their own style, and
Speaker 1: you know the league is different. We come in. You know,
Speaker 1: these kids are like a lot of players, like all ivers.
Speaker 1: He changed with the corn Rows. It's like debt now
Speaker 1: for all the kids coming in different generations. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's a good thing. You know what, I grew
Speaker 1: up in a Maria, Indiana town. Man, tell us about
Speaker 1: your upbringing and when did you find basketball? I found
Speaker 1: basketball probably third fourth grade, me and my brother and
Speaker 1: my sister at the Power Club. You know, he came,
Speaker 1: coach Bill Alter came, put the ball in our hands.
Speaker 1: The first man put the ball in my hands. So,
Speaker 1: you know, a small town. You know, we breede Hoopers,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Do the research. You know,
Speaker 1: we got the second most state championships in the state.
Speaker 1: You know, marrying my school, so we breede Hooper. So
Speaker 1: you know that's just all Heaven was always in it.
Speaker 1: So growing up watching Reggie and you know I was poor,
Speaker 1: so I come from nothing. So growing up with you know,
Speaker 1: you get the free you get the Channel four. You
Speaker 1: know it's the free channel. So you know watching Rick
Speaker 1: Smith's come through, Duncan Dutchman and you know Dale Davis
Speaker 1: and Tony also, you know, just growing up wanting to
Speaker 1: be a patient and you know watching Jordan's. Who are
Speaker 1: your basketball influences growing up besides I don't know, you say,
Speaker 1: Reggie and boom Man, Jordan's, Scotty Scotty, Chris Webber. Uh
Speaker 1: you know um coming up like Karl Malone and mail Man,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So just man, everybody, man,
Speaker 1: you know, I just love the game. You know, that's
Speaker 1: all we have games, you know what I mean. You
Speaker 1: know we're playing in the alley on the goal, you
Speaker 1: know a little bit of gold. But you know we
Speaker 1: to us that was you know, we what we couldn't
Speaker 1: wait to get to the goal. So your sophomore year,
Speaker 1: you win a state championship. Your senior year you win
Speaker 1: another state championship, but lose the Player of the Year
Speaker 1: to Jerry Jeffreys. Come on, man, you know I asked
Speaker 1: my award. That's my brothers my award, man, that's my award, Man,
Speaker 1: my award. But nah, um man, we have some battles,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to beat them, beat the championship, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then he won Player of the Year though, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know Jared was down here in
Speaker 1: Bloomington and he was going to eye you, Bobby Night.
Speaker 1: You know, I was down and Mary. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: a little rough around the edge, and you know, you
Speaker 1: know how that go. Little But you know, Jerry, that's
Speaker 1: my brother though. But it's all love. But man, it
Speaker 1: was good in high school. Man. I enjoyed it. Man.
Speaker 1: And then onto the McDonald's game where Jack was robbed
Speaker 1: at the m v P. But you actually took home
Speaker 1: the m v P three and fifteen dominated. My numbers
Speaker 1: weren't looking like that. I had one. I only missed
Speaker 1: two shots, but I ain't half fifteen boards. Who was
Speaker 1: in that game? Remind us who was in that game?
Speaker 1: Oldmark Cook? Okay, Eddie Griffin, My boy, he was cold,
Speaker 1: he was he had a wetter to me. Eddie Griffin
Speaker 1: was like more like that today's today's how the people
Speaker 1: knew who he was, you know, like you know, people
Speaker 1: in basketball worry stuff. He remind me the kid in Houston.
Speaker 1: Now they placed just the life. They got the similar game,
Speaker 1: and he been doing that face up. I see him
Speaker 1: doing that in high school, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like he was working on that. So he was, you know,
Speaker 1: but we had some dogs, though, Man, we have some dogs.
Speaker 1: Talk to us about the recruiting process. You ended up
Speaker 1: chosing Michigan State, But wor else did you consider? Stay?
Speaker 1: I was coach was every game I look up in
Speaker 1: the stands, He'd be in every game, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? For me, that was big because you know,
Speaker 1: showing that you wanted me. I'm like, you know who
Speaker 1: he was recruiting me the most. You know, they was
Speaker 1: at all the games. Every every time you look, I
Speaker 1: see him, you know. And then literal Leonard Hamilton's you
Speaker 1: know what I mean that he was in Miami, Florida
Speaker 1: at the time. So I was gonna go to Miami
Speaker 1: Florida if I didn't go to Michigan State, you know,
Speaker 1: because coach, you know Leonard, you know, he wanted to
Speaker 1: be real bad. I liked it his program, and you
Speaker 1: know he was gonna let me rock out. You know
Speaker 1: what thing. Do you have any crazy stories about coaches.
Speaker 1: El Draymond told the story how they got like a
Speaker 1: shouting match on the phone during the recruiting process, like
Speaker 1: do you have any crazy years old stories? Man? Years O.
Speaker 1: It was hard when me and Dre was in college
Speaker 1: because you know, I was one of the first his
Speaker 1: first ever, the youngest player to leave school. Like he
Speaker 1: never had no one and done, one and done, or
Speaker 1: no sophomore leave or nothing like that. I don't think
Speaker 1: he had no under graduate players leave, so I was
Speaker 1: the first one. So he wasn't really kind of used
Speaker 1: to that, but he supported me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: My mother we were struggling. She was struggling. You know,
Speaker 1: I was taking care of her, so you know he
Speaker 1: understood that. You know, coach no I come from and
Speaker 1: the struggles I came from, so he knew what I
Speaker 1: was doing and I want to take care of my mother.
Speaker 1: So you know, I was like, coach, I'm ready, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because I was gonna go out.
Speaker 1: I got a story. I was after the McDonald's game.
Speaker 1: I was gonna go out to high school because the
Speaker 1: mouse told me like, man, I'm about to go to
Speaker 1: the league. I'm like, you're going to the league. Like ye.
Speaker 1: So after McDonald's and I got All American, I went
Speaker 1: to the Kentucky Derby All Star Game. Got the m
Speaker 1: v P there. So I was killing all all the
Speaker 1: summer circuits, all the All Star games. I was getting
Speaker 1: m vps, and me and Eddie was ranked number one,
Speaker 1: number two player in the country. So the Posting Twins,
Speaker 1: I was gonna sign in with them. I was at
Speaker 1: in the hood at the house, my mom and the
Speaker 1: Posting Twins and the letter was on the table. Bro
Speaker 1: and I looked at Mom. I said, Mom was sending down,
Speaker 1: sitting down, said Mom, what you want me to do?
Speaker 1: I want you to go to college for one year? Baby.
Speaker 1: So I looked at the Twins. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I can't do it. Mom would have said go for
Speaker 1: a bag out of right there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But that was the best thing that I did, you know,
Speaker 1: because God, you know what's playing for you? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, God, God, what's playing for you? Gonna happen?
Speaker 1: So that was the best move for me, going to
Speaker 1: Michigan State, because literally I learned so much how to
Speaker 1: be a man. And you know, of course I was
Speaker 1: still young, but you know, learn a lot you know,
Speaker 1: with coaches though and discipline. That year I was there
Speaker 1: in Michigan State, I learned a lot. I love coach
Speaker 1: they like, that's my family, so you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So but it was good, man. So you guys play
Speaker 1: with Julio. Shout out Jay Rich John Julio, Charlie. Hey,
Speaker 1: Jay Bones, you guys make a final four run. Talk
Speaker 1: to us about that one year in college and make
Speaker 1: a run of the final four the bill too, Man,
Speaker 1: good dude, CB, my boy, mo, please more people flit Stone. Man.
Speaker 1: It was, man, it was great, you know, coming off winning,
Speaker 1: winning the state, going to Michigan State, going to the
Speaker 1: final four. Just that experience, you know, I mean, going
Speaker 1: down I think it's Final four UNS in Atlanta, just
Speaker 1: playing that dome with all them fans, I mean, then
Speaker 1: play against Gilbert, play against Gilbert. Man, it was just
Speaker 1: it was man. It's unbelievable. You know, one of the
Speaker 1: best times really all my college careers that you know,
Speaker 1: the final four. You know we didn't make it, but
Speaker 1: you know, still the experience there. We gotta final before
Speaker 1: we have to be so it's all good. You take
Speaker 1: that one year of college in time, decide it's time
Speaker 1: to go. What would your draft flood experience like Man
Speaker 1: in the hood with with the cases, the whole hoods
Speaker 1: in the garage. Man, we had the whole street blocked off.
Speaker 1: The old hood came and supporting me. Man in a
Speaker 1: little shock house that was one of nothing, biggerness room, Man,
Speaker 1: the whole who was out there. Everybody came and supporting me. Man,
Speaker 1: and people could stand outside. You can even fit it. Man,
Speaker 1: It was crazy reporters, so they called the drafted me. Man.
Speaker 1: We went up all you got to the bottles, popping everything.
Speaker 1: So you know, I started crying, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I hugged my brother, my mom, sister, start crying. You
Speaker 1: know the struggle we come through, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: we come from. And you know my mom and she
Speaker 1: rest in peace, you know what I mean. She did
Speaker 1: everything she could do could do for me. So you
Speaker 1: know that's the first thing I did by my mama house.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Team, You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: He took care of her like stood on it and
Speaker 1: and every you know, every every day, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, until she left herself. So that's what thing,
Speaker 1: that's what I did it for, is my mom and
Speaker 1: my brothers and my sister's, my kids, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. How many teams did you work out for? Man?
Speaker 1: Demn are eighteen teams? Yeah yeah, I should have been
Speaker 1: a lottery pick. But see they was I was a
Speaker 1: little rough around the edges, so you know, you know
Speaker 1: there's a lot of politics we don't but you know
Speaker 1: I was better than all them guys. Really, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I killed everybody in my workouts, but
Speaker 1: you know, I look at you, you know, a little
Speaker 1: rough fright edges. You know, I've been through some things,
Speaker 1: you know, in high school. You know what I mean too.
Speaker 1: So he's like, uh, sure guys are playing sup Portland's
Speaker 1: where's your first stop? When Portland drafted you, man, I
Speaker 1: ain't never left the hood like Portland. Man. I was
Speaker 1: just excited, you know what I mean, and just just hungry,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. When you come from nothing,
Speaker 1: you got a hunger. Like I'm still harder, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm hungry every day. So that's why I work hard
Speaker 1: and everything I do and every opportunity is But going
Speaker 1: to Portland, I just was like, man, I'm going here
Speaker 1: and go hard every day. Who was some of your
Speaker 1: old gs on that team, man, Damon she bozi man
Speaker 1: the best old geez the al right, it was he there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was gone Jr. That's the homie though. But man,
Speaker 1: it was shout out else m Town, Indiana seven five.
Speaker 1: Talk about your rookie years, so, I mean high school,
Speaker 1: one year in college. Man, now you're eighteen on the
Speaker 1: other side of the country. Said you ain't never been
Speaker 1: out the hood. You're in Portland. Talk to us about
Speaker 1: that first year in the league and on that team. Man,
Speaker 1: it was it was rough, homesick, man. Just I remember
Speaker 1: being away, I asked Steve. Kurt. We're sitting on the plane,
Speaker 1: I asked Steve. I said he Steve here reading this book.
Speaker 1: Guy's glasses. I say, Steve, man can go When when
Speaker 1: do we get going? He started laughing at be like,
Speaker 1: go on. He ain't no going on. I think I
Speaker 1: had hit the this when I hit the wall, you know, man,
Speaker 1: whoa And I'm sitting This is when you back then
Speaker 1: you can sit on the floor. So that floor was hard.
Speaker 1: And sit on that floor, man, you know it was
Speaker 1: great though, man, you know, just learning experience and even
Speaker 1: though I went playing my rookie years, our practices though,
Speaker 1: and then we have a squad, I mean camp. Dat
Speaker 1: ship is Steve curl Man. So practice was like game.
Speaker 1: So we was looking to practices every day. You know,
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Every time we talked to someone that came
Speaker 1: in around our time, all we talk about how we
Speaker 1: used the battle and practice. Practice used to be like
Speaker 1: real that first time, that first timing. Everybody, Yeah, board,
Speaker 1: you know it is better than the real game. Sc
Speaker 1: you know, you know it was yall, Hell no, we
Speaker 1: gotta go back. Hell no, we are doing that. You
Speaker 1: don't blow the whistle, coach, let us run one more,
Speaker 1: two more. So you know that's how competitive. You know
Speaker 1: we was in practice. Who was kind of that took
Speaker 1: you over, you know, took you under their arm as
Speaker 1: far as teaching you to kome of the NBA game. Man,
Speaker 1: I came in all of them, man, really, they all
Speaker 1: showed me love, like from Damon to Scotty, like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I'm talking. I was coming to
Speaker 1: the gym. I'm the first one at the gym. Scotty
Speaker 1: was one of the oldest players on the team when
Speaker 1: I came in, but he was still was one of
Speaker 1: the first ones at the gym. He like Zebo you
Speaker 1: coming in, you meet me at this time, so we're
Speaker 1: there every day. He want the first wim, the first
Speaker 1: one there he lifting weights, He won the first one
Speaker 1: they lifting weights working out, so you know he was
Speaker 1: a champion. So coming on his wig and just learned
Speaker 1: from you know, Steve and just everybody was all like
Speaker 1: big brothers to me because I was so young coming
Speaker 1: to the league and and I ain't know nothing, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, So coming in think I did
Speaker 1: but one thing about me. They all respecting me because
Speaker 1: I always respected them, and I was soaked up everything.
Speaker 1: So I'm listening like, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like now you tell a rookie go do something, They're
Speaker 1: gonna look at you like it was different. You know
Speaker 1: it was different. Then you know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: know the yam they give me five go to the story,
Speaker 1: get dice and all kinds of ship, zoos, whales. I'm like,
Speaker 1: se come on with it. I want what else you want?
Speaker 1: Going back? Dealeen hunted the tooth down man ship it is.
Speaker 1: It's lovely though, man, I ain't mean experience was great, man,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I told my brother, my
Speaker 1: other brother stared, but I said, man, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: to the league. I was telling I was going to
Speaker 1: league my sophomore in junior year. I'm like, now going
Speaker 1: to the league. Bro looking at me like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: for real? Happened? Yeah, how talented was with she? Wallace
Speaker 1: Man crazy? That's crazy because like you said, him and
Speaker 1: Eddie from Philly to the Gang, like Hi, just everything
Speaker 1: he did, he was like a more like you said,
Speaker 1: the type of hybrid fours and fives. Now, she was
Speaker 1: one of them too. You know, she was one of
Speaker 1: the first, like the getting mash. She shoot more threes
Speaker 1: in the guards, but she was hitting them joints, he
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So yeah, man, it was loved.
Speaker 1: Portland was a great experience, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So you know he was the only show in town.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You know what it was.
Speaker 1: It was that the team that was labeled the jail
Speaker 1: Blazers talked to us to just kind of about some
Speaker 1: of the fun. You ain't gonna get you obviously, but
Speaker 1: some of the fun with that team, because are we
Speaker 1: believed team was well documented. We was on some ship,
Speaker 1: but y'all was on some ship, on some ship ship
Speaker 1: man talking. I heard the story. I told me every
Speaker 1: day I'm talking about bro. We was the only people
Speaker 1: with sounds. So yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And a few week rough round the edges too, a
Speaker 1: little bit like you know, so you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, like the flower, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. So you started smoking your
Speaker 1: your first year in the league. Uh huh, and it
Speaker 1: just just helps you with everything he was going through everything.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm in the business to like you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, I got you know, grows and stores
Speaker 1: in Portland, I got you know, business, so it helps you. Man,
Speaker 1: How important wasn't for you because I mean, I know
Speaker 1: you're not really a real big drinker. Most of us
Speaker 1: can't handle pill so I mean for we, we was
Speaker 1: our only real options. So how important wasn't for you
Speaker 1: throughout your career because you were able to play seventeen years?
Speaker 1: Help me, you know, honestly help me, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And you know back then, you know how
Speaker 1: it was. You get your one test preseason, Man, I
Speaker 1: got a road in the car. Man, like you said,
Speaker 1: it's good for your bones. Man's medicine, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, medicine. So like you said, you gotta take
Speaker 1: all them pills and you know, messr stomach up and
Speaker 1: be funked up later on in life. So you know,
Speaker 1: and I'd rather you know, drinking, I mean, rather smoked
Speaker 1: than drink. Anyway, any day, any day m two thousand
Speaker 1: to the battle against the Lakers. You guys get on
Speaker 1: their way to the three peopley end up sweeping you guys.
Speaker 1: But the question is how dominant were Shock and Kobe
Speaker 1: at that time? Rest in peace, beam man when the
Speaker 1: greatest to do it? Man? Everything just watching them man,
Speaker 1: you know Shaq Kobe like you know my magic and
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Jordan's you know, pipping was
Speaker 1: so you know, that's everybody else the show to watch
Speaker 1: and it was one of the best ever definitely to
Speaker 1: duos of all time. Right, that's easy call the show
Speaker 1: show two thousand to two thousand three. You play eighty
Speaker 1: games and start to give more minutes. What was it
Speaker 1: like waiting for an opportunity? I was like a pit
Speaker 1: ready to come out, like you know how the greyhounds
Speaker 1: at them and run around the track like they like
Speaker 1: I was chase out the little rabbit. Where I was
Speaker 1: like that because I was working so hard, and I
Speaker 1: believe in myself. And you asked Bunsy all the I'm
Speaker 1: talking ship at eight team, but I'm really out there
Speaker 1: handling my business as a youngster. But I was putting
Speaker 1: my time into so like Coach Cheeks always telling me
Speaker 1: Scotty all the guys that stay ready. So I'm I'm
Speaker 1: going against what she wireless. I'm gonna get these boys
Speaker 1: every day, damn stout of mind, Vita Sabonis. I'm going
Speaker 1: to gainst all star players every day, and I'm going hard, bro.
Speaker 1: So I saw I built my game staying after working out,
Speaker 1: so when they let me go, it was on. I
Speaker 1: was ready and I had believed in myself and I
Speaker 1: had that confidence. That year, you guys run into Dallas
Speaker 1: in the playoffs in the first round, end up losing.
Speaker 1: How tough was Dirk that year? Man, I got his shoes.
Speaker 1: I got his shoes from that playoffs where my pair
Speaker 1: of shoes sign Man, it was now I studied that
Speaker 1: play I watched film like I watched that series and
Speaker 1: now I was young like coach gaming that he's John Lawyer.
Speaker 1: We used to work out like watch that film because
Speaker 1: that was what Dirt was doing. Like you know he's
Speaker 1: shooting right over your hand. You think you're touching at
Speaker 1: John going straight in and dirt and dirt. Want the best,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, the Hall of Famer, but one
Speaker 1: of the best to ever do it too, absolutely, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, When the best to ever do
Speaker 1: thirty three thousand points scored, I can't beat that. So
Speaker 1: you get a little taste of the playoffs. Next year,
Speaker 1: you come back to the with the vengeance when most
Speaker 1: improved player, uh average twenty and ten. What was it like,
Speaker 1: really finally getting to cut your teeth, get off the
Speaker 1: cage and really do your things, show the world how
Speaker 1: hard all the work you put in was. It was
Speaker 1: great man to get a chance to be able to play,
Speaker 1: and then for my teammates to believe in me, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, to lead the team and and
Speaker 1: understand me, let me develop as a player, and and
Speaker 1: you know, allowing it. So it was great and it
Speaker 1: worked out perfect because you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: was one of them that listening and ain't seeing my
Speaker 1: growth and seeing when I went through, and they've seen
Speaker 1: the work I put in, so you know, just staying
Speaker 1: at it. And I always came in with that and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna dominate every game type attitude every game. You know,
Speaker 1: me and me and my agent, we had a list,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, shout out to ray Man,
Speaker 1: Raymond Brothers Man. But you know, we got a list.
Speaker 1: So every night he like, zebo, you got such a suing. Now, y'all,
Speaker 1: I get this, w you go on him. He already
Speaker 1: got the Scout report. So I'm like him, going eddie there.
Speaker 1: He ain't turned nothing down. Given give a shot. We's
Speaker 1: playing shack. I'm going then, I'm going front. I'm a
Speaker 1: rush them. I'm you're gonna knock me down, but I'm
Speaker 1: getting up. Man, you can't turn nothing down, you know so,
Speaker 1: And that was my type attitude. I asked so and
Speaker 1: it helped me man my career. Mm hmmm. What was
Speaker 1: it like entering the high level, high level NBA power
Speaker 1: for conversation? Man, A blessing, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: the blessings you know, to be able to, you know,
Speaker 1: players I played against say that I was, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the best power force to play the game,
Speaker 1: and well yeah, she eating. Just to be able to
Speaker 1: say that, massive blessing, you know what I mean. Come
Speaker 1: where I come from and things I went through and
Speaker 1: and you know, being me and also having them the respect.
Speaker 1: You know, I treat everybody the same respects. So getting
Speaker 1: that little respect back, you know what I mean. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna treat the the richest man like I treat the
Speaker 1: poorest man. I'm gonna feel comfortable in the in the hood.
Speaker 1: You know I'm not because I got money. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna be I can't go to wats or I can't
Speaker 1: go to Detroit or back to my hood. Like no,
Speaker 1: I don't really believe in that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So having that line of
Speaker 1: respect and treating everybody the same. Who are some of
Speaker 1: your your favorite matchups in that power for that real
Speaker 1: heavy power for error man all of man, duncan you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Some hard matchups KG. You know
Speaker 1: I'm six not he just does seven foot in six eleven,
Speaker 1: six twelve, so you know ticket his hands big, grabby
Speaker 1: you and he control lead. I'm like, man, rest laing,
Speaker 1: do what he wanted, you know what I mean? So
Speaker 1: just man all the battles man, see where you know
Speaker 1: I was a youngster, but you know he's battling man.
Speaker 1: But you always held your own always I wasn't jumping hard,
Speaker 1: wasn't running fast. Was gonna get that work, get that work.
Speaker 1: So Portland goes into rebuild Moe, trading rashid away and
Speaker 1: giving you your first big deal, six year, eighty four
Speaker 1: million dollar extensions. What was it like? Obviously making the
Speaker 1: league get your money, but really getting that first deal?
Speaker 1: What was that like? Man? I cried again, Man, I
Speaker 1: ain't mad, humble guy, you know, but then it was
Speaker 1: a blessing man, and that I wann't satisfied, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I wanted to continue to work
Speaker 1: when I've seen them, you know, I'm continue going, you know,
Speaker 1: continue to stay home like I got the same hunger.
Speaker 1: So you know, we're just in life and getting better
Speaker 1: as a person, father, business, just everything I'm doing. So
Speaker 1: just staying angry, you know what I mean, keeping that
Speaker 1: will thinking him every time I was on the court.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm thinking I'm the best player, all right,
Speaker 1: you fears to bring me off the bench. I still
Speaker 1: think I'm the best player, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So just having that confidence, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Do you have a nice six year run in Portland,
Speaker 1: you get traded to the Knicks. Was that out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: You kind of knew it was coming. Man. You know what.
Speaker 1: Kevin Pritchard, let me tell you a funny story. And
Speaker 1: I was in at the belvy Will Shore and actually
Speaker 1: sees the trade about to come up. I see Kevin.
Speaker 1: I'm in l A. I'm at the World Shore. I
Speaker 1: see Kevin Pritchard. He was a general manager at the
Speaker 1: time Portland. So I see Kevin downstairs in the check.
Speaker 1: You know, I got the two you know how the
Speaker 1: wool show and we still got the two sides and
Speaker 1: checking in side. So we in the check and something
Speaker 1: like yas. He's like, man, how are you doing? Like, man, hey,
Speaker 1: zach Man, I'm not trading you. You're good. You know
Speaker 1: that because I wasn't expecting to see him. He was
Speaker 1: just down a lot. I'm not trading you get my
Speaker 1: first time getting traded, bro, I'm not trading your good man.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. So I go upstairs. I tell
Speaker 1: my brother, like ship man, I just see Kevin. I
Speaker 1: ain't going nowhere. I'm you know, I'm still gonna be
Speaker 1: here because obviously, you know, I didn't want to get traded.
Speaker 1: It my first any player that day. First time you
Speaker 1: know some players, you know, at the elite level can
Speaker 1: say that, but a hen get traded their first time,
Speaker 1: it's gonna bother you. So oh why so I go
Speaker 1: back upstairs to im gig. I ain't getting traded, man,
Speaker 1: it show come on the first thing they say, ain't
Speaker 1: going to New York. Yeah, I just say, I said, damn.
Speaker 1: I called Raymon Kevin say at trade so Ray like, man,
Speaker 1: just be raised to watching they see me in New York.
Speaker 1: But it was a great experience, you know what I
Speaker 1: mean New York. I was only there a short time,
Speaker 1: but it was organization great and I had a good
Speaker 1: time playing that big alpum man play. I mean, and
Speaker 1: they got Yeah. One season with the Knicks and then
Speaker 1: you come back out to l A. How about you
Speaker 1: skill not back out you come out to l A.
Speaker 1: What is the experience like? Playing with that young Clipper
Speaker 1: team was great? Who was on the team there, Man
Speaker 1: b d Marcus Canby, young DeAndre, Yeah, squad. Mike Taylor
Speaker 1: was gone at d D. So man, it was good man,
Speaker 1: just being out here and we're super you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. The record when they're good, but man, we
Speaker 1: that's what good players. Man. So l A Clippers to Memphis. Man,
Speaker 1: were you really kind of you mean you make a home.
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that experience down in town. Man,
Speaker 1: that's my second home. Man. Shout out ma'am town not
Speaker 1: on one. You know, yes, sir, it was great. Shout
Speaker 1: out her passion. They still got your jersey up there. Man.
Speaker 1: I can't wait till they reopen. We was just in
Speaker 1: Memphis and wasn't then going on. I can't wait things
Speaker 1: get back normal Memphis. Man, that's my city. And how
Speaker 1: I was chicken? Man, what goods? It's goods to man,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie of man. Coming to Memphis, it
Speaker 1: was really like a blessing man. It was like really
Speaker 1: a blessing man. And you know, just because it's a
Speaker 1: hard working city like I fit in. It was like
Speaker 1: a puzzle. I ain't boom, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: With the team and it was your team. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was just like like I was a missing piece or whatever.
Speaker 1: So you know what I mean. We had you know,
Speaker 1: Rudy and you know be a great player who was
Speaker 1: great players around. So coming in with Mark and Michael
Speaker 1: was just all coming together. And I think we first year,
Speaker 1: we want like fifteen or ten more games. You can
Speaker 1: see the you can see you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: you can see what was coming. And you know, we
Speaker 1: kept together and I think the next year, we think
Speaker 1: we made our third year playoffs and then but we
Speaker 1: kept improving, so we need that playoffs. Man, we just
Speaker 1: ready and got t A. You know, t A came
Speaker 1: so with him just making it complete, with it on
Speaker 1: the defensive end and just everything. It was just you know,
Speaker 1: the right fit. So being that city, man, and the
Speaker 1: fans and the way the city embraced me. Bro, that's
Speaker 1: that's home, you know what I mean, Like it's always
Speaker 1: gonna be home. And you know I ain't no FedEx
Speaker 1: for him. You know, I ain't no team playing whoop
Speaker 1: that trick in the gym every and everybody, you know
Speaker 1: what I say, Black people, white people, mesking, everybody of
Speaker 1: all races ending up having a good time dancing. And
Speaker 1: you can tell the city was really behind you. So man,
Speaker 1: that was probably you know, it's my best city I
Speaker 1: played in, Man, and um, you know that's home man. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: got a good team with the first you guys made
Speaker 1: with the Western Finals. Right, I got a question, what
Speaker 1: was your because I never even I mean, we even
Speaker 1: cool but I never even asked you this. What was
Speaker 1: your issue with Blake? Griffin boy? Why every time he
Speaker 1: played you he was he was here man Blake, man strong?
Speaker 1: Blake wasn't he m you know? And you know Blake
Speaker 1: was a player who who had confidence too, and you
Speaker 1: know he went they went back and down, you know,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, man Blake. We laugh about
Speaker 1: it now we're cool now. But real battle, yeah, real battle,
Speaker 1: like real, but I mean it, I ain't playing, ain't know,
Speaker 1: ain't your friend on the court. So it's like, really,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go at you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I remember back smacking ship out of me. I turned around.
Speaker 1: I thought with Blake, like damn, he was just bullying bro.
Speaker 1: He did he did out of Blake. I had to
Speaker 1: fall him hard man, and we almost He came in
Speaker 1: like kind of gave me like a low key hug.
Speaker 1: I thought we even gonna have to throw like, but
Speaker 1: he kept bullying Blake. So I kind of had a
Speaker 1: show Blake, I'm about I had to ask my dog too.
Speaker 1: I was like at all people I had because he
Speaker 1: just had this he was he was just bullying Blake.
Speaker 1: They got down on the ground one time, they was
Speaker 1: in some rappling ship and one game you got kicked
Speaker 1: out like that ship was the league. Ain't ain't gonna
Speaker 1: let you play like that? An let you He's going
Speaker 1: real hard. You know, what's your relationship with Describe I
Speaker 1: know your relationship, but describe your relationship with Tony Adam
Speaker 1: one of the best films to play the game. Man,
Speaker 1: that's my brother love, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: Blesses Joint and you know th and Memph is still
Speaker 1: you know, he's doing business and you know, been a
Speaker 1: family man. So man, none but love, you know, for
Speaker 1: all them guys. Mike Mark, you know, and talked to
Speaker 1: back a couple of weeks ago. You know, so it's
Speaker 1: solid love. Man. You know we are we gonna We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk everybody, you know what I mean. Went to
Speaker 1: show so seventh teenor run When you decided to hang
Speaker 1: it up? Was it? Was it tough? Come to turns?
Speaker 1: Your body was talking to you. What was the deciding
Speaker 1: factor and you decided to hang it up? Man? Kind
Speaker 1: of like when I was sitting out, I think I
Speaker 1: left Sacramento, I went to Dallas, got traded. I didn't
Speaker 1: go but you know what I mean, but I have
Speaker 1: gave it a little time, you know what, I mean
Speaker 1: to see what was going on. And I wasn't going
Speaker 1: like sit around for no two or three years like
Speaker 1: a lot of players still ain't officially retired like r. Now.
Speaker 1: You know, I got a lot of stuff going on
Speaker 1: business and a lot of the other stuff I want
Speaker 1: to do, and you know, with my kids and and
Speaker 1: um everything. So I was like, you know what, man,
Speaker 1: I'm good where him at, took care of my money,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm happy, you know, let's do it.
Speaker 1: And I'm ready, you know, retired. Man. I feel good
Speaker 1: about it. You know. I work out every day and
Speaker 1: take care of myself. So it's been a blessing, bro,
Speaker 1: so Jack said. Jack said, still like it looked like
Speaker 1: in good ship like you could. You're looking good. I
Speaker 1: still give your visits. Still I never doubted that. So
Speaker 1: what comes to mind when when when I say one
Speaker 1: of the most classic lines ever in my hood, bullies
Speaker 1: get bullied. Talk to us about that, because man, you
Speaker 1: little rug, you know, buggy baby beasting down there, man
Speaker 1: telling y'all just to like, yeah, ain't telling buddy, he
Speaker 1: got buddy shook up. He's like, buddy, I'm like many buddy,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm you know, I'm like mass my lone
Speaker 1: lead buddy alone. You know, he laughed because he's bullying,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, he stopped there. You know where he's from.
Speaker 1: Bullies get bullied, you know what i mean, just laughing
Speaker 1: at Ship. You know, I'm always funk a little bro.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, he a beast though it was
Speaker 1: a healthy boogie. Talk to us about how talented he
Speaker 1: was stupid, just how big he is, how you can
Speaker 1: move and you know, how he used his body and
Speaker 1: he buy he was six lemons and foot handle with
Speaker 1: handle can shoot the John. Then he he ain't saw
Speaker 1: so he's gonna bang you. They they're gonna dunk you.
Speaker 1: So it's like he had it, really had bully got
Speaker 1: the old package. You know, I know he you know,
Speaker 1: the injuries or whatever kind of but man, he was
Speaker 1: on pace to go down as one of the greatest. Really,
Speaker 1: no questions after retirement. Obviously, fatherhood comes first and foremost. Uh,
Speaker 1: you and row your your daughter to play with Kobe.
Speaker 1: Talk to us about those experiences, because when I talked
Speaker 1: to Code, he was telling me, it's like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: got these girls running the tryang. We're practicing five or
Speaker 1: six days a week. I'm like, bro, these are little girls.
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't care. Yeah, that was serious. Man.
Speaker 1: He really like round him like rand him like a
Speaker 1: real real protein. I'm like a real size as he
Speaker 1: wanted to. I'm doing it talking about every day trainers
Speaker 1: on the beach, eating everything that gets a little girl
Speaker 1: like young girls. And you was coming from way out
Speaker 1: where you coming from by me and going all the
Speaker 1: way out there every day. Hey bro, I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: but it was a blessing. My daughter she loved and
Speaker 1: you know Kobe man. I called Kobe, I got her
Speaker 1: hold him, was moving iron. She's like, Daddy, I want
Speaker 1: him play for cod. She came to me about it,
Speaker 1: So you think I can play for his team? You
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna do anything for my kids instantly, you know,
Speaker 1: I ain't have cold number. I reached out to somebody
Speaker 1: who did, and man, Kobe text me like the next day,
Speaker 1: like what's up? Bo hit back? He like like, man,
Speaker 1: my daughter, we're moving out there. She want to play?
Speaker 1: Can she trial? You gotta spot for He's like, look,
Speaker 1: you know that she can come and we can see
Speaker 1: how I go. You know, I think one our big
Speaker 1: one of the Biggs was hurt or somewhere. I just left,
Speaker 1: move somewhere and can we came and it was like
Speaker 1: the missing piece of Kobe loved her man the girls
Speaker 1: and you know. And when he told me he loved
Speaker 1: my baby, bro, I told him I love you, I
Speaker 1: love mine, I love you and you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: That's how I was. You know what I mean, numbeloved,
Speaker 1: respect the rest of it. No, I want to ask,
Speaker 1: though I already told when this ship started, um, you
Speaker 1: would motherfucking killed the Big Three any chance the ice
Speaker 1: Cube is gonna see you out there? Man on live Man,
Speaker 1: I ain't ship before the Corona hit. When that I
Speaker 1: was talking to you and you I was ready. I
Speaker 1: was bron show out too. We broke down and that
Speaker 1: when I posted that I broke down and that Zvo trilogy,
Speaker 1: I was like, what Vo, it's going down? I just man,
Speaker 1: at the point, I can't. You know, I'm probably play
Speaker 1: some red ball, but I ain't. I can't then down
Speaker 1: to the battle of Big Redgie and Big Baby. You
Speaker 1: know the boys, real country, strong man. If I'm at tidy,
Speaker 1: those shoes up real tight, man, get on their ass.
Speaker 1: You know. Nah, but man, now I could just I
Speaker 1: can't do it, man, I couldn't do it. Thoughts on
Speaker 1: this young Grizzly squad. I was just down there a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago watching The Man of Beasts, I mean,
Speaker 1: John jarn Ax, and the upside of them is is
Speaker 1: so crazy, man. And and you know John, he's special
Speaker 1: and Jarry you know the Spartan Dogs. And they got
Speaker 1: a good core of players, you know, dealing and you
Speaker 1: got some a player. So I think where the Grizzlies
Speaker 1: going right now is it's great? Man? Yeah, definitely the
Speaker 1: right building stage, Yeah, definitely. I want to shout out something,
Speaker 1: but tell some funny story. So back when I went
Speaker 1: and play with them, Listen, Nigga always used to try
Speaker 1: to take the radio over in the locker room. Bro,
Speaker 1: but he was always bumping somebody always. You gotta check
Speaker 1: out money artist man. His name is money Bag. He
Speaker 1: from out here. He give me nice. So he used
Speaker 1: to bump the ship into He be like, yo, turn
Speaker 1: that ship, oh bro lo and behold, man, you got
Speaker 1: just cracked the number one album in the world. Congrats, Bro,
Speaker 1: congrat money Bag bag Man. Shout out english Man shout hey, bro,
Speaker 1: he was bumping your ship in two thousand? Was that
Speaker 1: four first kick off? Bro? Every motherfucking day, every time
Speaker 1: we every time he's in locker room, he was pumping.
Speaker 1: That's like a money artist. I'm like, that's what's up.
Speaker 1: And it ended up being them and this man got
Speaker 1: the number one album in the world now, man, So congratulations,
Speaker 1: appreciate it, man, man, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: you know money bag man, you know, he wanted the
Speaker 1: best at it, you know what I mean. And just
Speaker 1: saying that because my little brother. But he really talented
Speaker 1: and man, um just a blessing man for everything. Just
Speaker 1: been in the city, you know, been in the city
Speaker 1: and just hooking up and being out there. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm in the community, man. Everywhere I go, I'm in
Speaker 1: the community l A to Indiana to Memphis to everywhere,
Speaker 1: and um, you know, just giving back and just giving back.
Speaker 1: And we hooked up, you know, and he was hot, man,
Speaker 1: you know, and I see him like, yeah, the first
Speaker 1: time it started, this label we did it together started.
Speaker 1: How does it feel like? I know, I ain't the
Speaker 1: first artist that you got involved. When I know I've
Speaker 1: been amusing. We didn't had a lot of artists people
Speaker 1: we tried to help. How good does it feel to
Speaker 1: know that you finally got it right? It was my
Speaker 1: first artist? Is your first artist? Yeah, it's the first artist.
Speaker 1: Bag was my first artist, and it was it was
Speaker 1: a blessing, like you know what I mean, because, like
Speaker 1: you said, I came in and Dale day this. He
Speaker 1: used to have a record label war Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm so and up a game. So deal was always shitty,
Speaker 1: like man should cost me money and I losing me
Speaker 1: it's a dollar. I'm not what You're like man on
Speaker 1: their vest and ship. I'm like, so I always everybody's
Speaker 1: come to me about music all the time, like now
Speaker 1: I ain't doing that. But when I semificent a little
Speaker 1: later on hearing hearing money back like yeah he hard,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I'm gonna try to
Speaker 1: do this and do it the right way. And when
Speaker 1: I came and told you, I was like, who is this?
Speaker 1: This it's hard my artist? I mean five years later,
Speaker 1: dude got the number one album in the world, got
Speaker 1: a lag with him. I got a meeting because you
Speaker 1: know hell fellow brother too. Yeah. Yeah. Outside of music, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, post career, what else you win? Business wise,
Speaker 1: what are you're working? I gotta you know, on the something,
Speaker 1: the marijuana industry, you know, real estate. I'm really entrepreneur. Man.
Speaker 1: I try to do every do everything I can learn
Speaker 1: about you know what I mean. I learned it every
Speaker 1: day and I'm open to learning. So I just want
Speaker 1: to get out there and get There's certain things that
Speaker 1: I've never been in technology, you know, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: besten some of that right now. So now I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to just move and groove. Man. You know, he
Speaker 1: pays time. He pays time to me. Twenty acres one time,
Speaker 1: living good. Yeah, quick hitters, first team to come to mind.
Speaker 1: Give us an answer. Top five artists right now, jay
Speaker 1: Z Drake, baby Man. I listen to everybody, man, everybody
Speaker 1: ain't it's listing going no man nahs. You know I
Speaker 1: listened to everything. I just love music, man, I listen
Speaker 1: to everything. Can you ever try to wrap yourself? I'm
Speaker 1: better at being the CEO. I can't stack jack and
Speaker 1: rap though I can't wrap Top five Forwards of all time,
Speaker 1: power and Powerfuards of all time, Man, duncan ticket m.
Speaker 1: I gotta put Dirk in there, and you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, shot. Don't go shack pothing that put dirt
Speaker 1: dirt ticket dunking. It's a lot of man, the list
Speaker 1: can be go see where you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: All right, Ship Carl Yeah, Man, you got around watching
Speaker 1: Carl Yeah, man, Man, Barkley, Barkley. It's a really list
Speaker 1: man good. Yeah, it's it's a long list. I mean
Speaker 1: that West. You definitely that West, and he was in
Speaker 1: that West so like mc dice, like wack I was
Speaker 1: recently like every night it was a battle like West
Speaker 1: had all the powerful. It was threes and fours back
Speaker 1: there threason four or two threes and fours. I don't
Speaker 1: mean interrupt, but you just remind miss something he said
Speaker 1: to West. Do you remember when y'all play San Antonio?
Speaker 1: But man, body talked about this all the time. I said, bonds,
Speaker 1: pull up, bro, come smoke when y'all get there. The
Speaker 1: whole team showed up at my house, every last one
Speaker 1: of y'all. Dog. I'm like, he's like everybody wanted to come. Bro.
Speaker 1: Your whole team was in my garage. Do you remember that? Man?
Speaker 1: I remember let a lot of times, a lot of time,
Speaker 1: remember a lot of times now. But it's it's a
Speaker 1: lot of Man, it's a lot of like you said,
Speaker 1: the greatest power for his conversations, a lot on man
Speaker 1: that list up outside game. You're taking four people to
Speaker 1: the black Top with you. You're taking black Top like
Speaker 1: I'm taking Tony at show. You can get you the
Speaker 1: whole ing n Let you get by m N stack Jack.
Speaker 1: I'm there pulling up like Marcus Smart Yeah, dog yeah,
Speaker 1: MARKU Smart t a t A. I was to quenttel
Speaker 1: would I was thinking that the whole time. I was
Speaker 1: waiting for you to say. I'm sitting there thinking that, Bro.
Speaker 1: I'm like, if you don't say his boy right, you
Speaker 1: know that's your rod. Yeah, he got to go. I
Speaker 1: took my boy yeast yeah. Show yeah, so show something's
Speaker 1: about on the post in your career. I was a youngster,
Speaker 1: but he was like he was like really whooped me
Speaker 1: up to the league, Like, man, this is really a
Speaker 1: grown man. Lead was p J Brown, Man, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about it couldn't move me, like damn. I was like
Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen. So I'm like, you know, and still as
Speaker 1: I still Carrie played Kobe, he still was the same way.
Speaker 1: You know. P J was always one of them guys
Speaker 1: who always took. You know, I was cut up and
Speaker 1: you know what, strongly quiet, but hands is big. I
Speaker 1: couldn't do nothing. We came in with some real rooms, bro,
Speaker 1: we came in. It was a real five dinner guests
Speaker 1: that are alive. Definitely Pop, Biggy, Dr Martin Luther, King Obama,
Speaker 1: my great grandmother. Yeah, I never really got I never
Speaker 1: got to me. I heard so much about her. That's
Speaker 1: last question. Who do you want to see on All
Speaker 1: the Smoke? But you gotta help us with your answer.
Speaker 1: I already know who I want to see who I
Speaker 1: know you can help us with. Man, I get my
Speaker 1: boy que Woods on there. Yeah, and money Bag, Yes,
Speaker 1: we need bag show. Yeah, Zo, I appreciate you, brome On,
Speaker 1: thank you for stopping. Appreciate this man down for a minute. Man.
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