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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to another edition to All the Smoke. Jack. We

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Speaker 1: went out and got it made. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: have been asking for this, dude. Man, we tracked them

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Speaker 1: down real one. You already know real One don't get

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Speaker 1: no real bullies get bully where he comes from. And

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about Welcome to show man Z. But what's up, bro? Man?

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Speaker 1: What's up? What's up to see? Man? We finally tracked

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Speaker 1: you down. Many be on the move busy after basketball? Man,

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Speaker 1: been a blessing. Man. You know what. I'm thankful man,

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Speaker 1: you know, but we come from man. You know when

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Speaker 1: I made it out of there, I made it. So

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Speaker 1: you know, thankful every day and I count my blessing.

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Speaker 1: So what's life being like after basketball for you? You

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Speaker 1: were talking before you very busy father business. Talk to

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Speaker 1: us about what's going on with you after basketball had

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Speaker 1: been up and down? Bro? You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: But you know, overall, you know what, I'm thankful. You

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Speaker 1: know I has some losses closet, you know what I'm

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Speaker 1: double law rest in peace, you know, right after I

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Speaker 1: retire so you know mom before that couple of years before,

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Speaker 1: so I think he was with me then. But sides

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Speaker 1: that everything kids, everybody safe and healthy and you know,

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Speaker 1: just being strong and you know, being a leader for

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Speaker 1: the family. You know, it's really it's important. Obviously was

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Speaker 1: a disaster for the world. Um, halfway through one. What

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Speaker 1: are you encouraged about? Moving forward? Man? Just everything? Man?

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Speaker 1: You know how everything going just where we hadn't you

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Speaker 1: know going and where we you know, forward to as

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Speaker 1: a black culture. You know what stack Jack doing, what

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Speaker 1: you're doing, you know, being the community. You know, we

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Speaker 1: always be in the community, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's ain't nothing for us and just helping it. Um,

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Speaker 1: sure everything has been going good. Whoever you been paying

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Speaker 1: attention to an NBA this season and all of them,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've been. I love the game, so you know,

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Speaker 1: I love the league and what's where it's at. So

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Speaker 1: you know I watched you know, specially Grizzy, a little

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Speaker 1: joh you know, the Spartan dogs on their jar and

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Speaker 1: X so you know, watching them in Portland. You know,

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Speaker 1: I just I like the league and you know I

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Speaker 1: got still a lot of youngsters, you know, I talked

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Speaker 1: to and um so I watched them. So I'm a

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Speaker 1: fan of the game. With twenty and tens Ebo doing

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Speaker 1: this at NBA, man, probably thirty and twenty. You can

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Speaker 1: keep up the knees out there. I don't know that. Yes,

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Speaker 1: all the stuff they got now, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: they probably me real slim, you know, so you know

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Speaker 1: where the game is that? Man, it's sly good. You know.

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Speaker 1: I like the game. You know, it spread out, you

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Speaker 1: show a lot of guys skills and you've been stepping

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Speaker 1: off jump. Yeah, so you know what I mean that

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Speaker 1: jumper being wet so and these guys showing their skills

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Speaker 1: set you know, like the game To me, it's like

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Speaker 1: a revolving clock. I think everybody everything's gonna come back

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Speaker 1: around full. So you know you're gonna get a class

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Speaker 1: with four shocks and you know on me, you know,

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Speaker 1: so you know, I like where the game is that.

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Speaker 1: Um Thoughts on the game being so guard oriented as

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Speaker 1: you mentioned skilled, Um it skills at all time high.

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Speaker 1: Uh and it's very guards dominated. Thoughts on that because

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Speaker 1: I mean when we came to the league, we used

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Speaker 1: to play and you were wonting someone inside out the

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Speaker 1: ball had to touch the paint before we shot, but

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Speaker 1: and it's like, like I just say it, like you said,

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Speaker 1: the game when he's coming in, the big man had

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Speaker 1: That's how you start to play. You had to so,

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Speaker 1: started to change, like I think for me towards, like

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Speaker 1: the bench and they wanted the fids want us play

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Speaker 1: smaller and the line up so Golden State was doing anything.

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Speaker 1: And I think if I was out there, you know,

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Speaker 1: like with Zion's athleticism. Been over crazy boys special, you

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Speaker 1: I just like the game and these young players they're

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Speaker 1: you know the league is different. We come in. You know,

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Speaker 1: these kids are like a lot of players, like all ivers.

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Speaker 1: He changed with the corn Rows. It's like debt now

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Speaker 1: for all the kids coming in different generations. So you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a good thing. You know what, I grew

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Speaker 1: up in a Maria, Indiana town. Man, tell us about

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Speaker 1: your upbringing and when did you find basketball? I found

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Speaker 1: basketball probably third fourth grade, me and my brother and

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Speaker 1: coach Bill Alter came, put the ball in our hands.

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Speaker 1: you know, a small town. You know, we breede Hoopers,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Do the research. You know,

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Speaker 1: we got the second most state championships in the state.

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Speaker 1: You know, marrying my school, so we breede Hooper. So

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Speaker 1: you know that's just all Heaven was always in it.

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Speaker 1: So growing up watching Reggie and you know I was poor,

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Speaker 1: so I come from nothing. So growing up with you know,

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Speaker 1: know it's the free channel. So you know watching Rick

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Speaker 1: be a patient and you know watching Jordan's. Who are

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Speaker 1: your basketball influences growing up besides I don't know, you say,

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Speaker 1: you know um coming up like Karl Malone and mail Man,

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Speaker 1: you know, I just love the game. You know, that's

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Speaker 1: all we have games, you know what I mean. You

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Speaker 1: know we're playing in the alley on the goal, you

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Speaker 1: know a little bit of gold. But you know we

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Speaker 1: to us that was you know, we what we couldn't

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Speaker 1: wait to get to the goal. So your sophomore year,

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Speaker 1: you win a state championship. Your senior year you win

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Speaker 1: another state championship, but lose the Player of the Year

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Speaker 1: to Jerry Jeffreys. Come on, man, you know I asked

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Speaker 1: my award. That's my brothers my award, man, that's my award, Man,

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Speaker 1: my award. But nah, um man, we have some battles,

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Speaker 1: you know, I want to beat them, beat the championship, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then he won Player of the Year though, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Bloomington and he was going to eye you, Bobby Night.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was down and Mary. You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: know how that go. Little But you know, Jerry, that's

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Speaker 1: my brother though. But it's all love. But man, it

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Speaker 1: was good in high school. Man. I enjoyed it. Man.

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Speaker 1: And then onto the McDonald's game where Jack was robbed

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Speaker 1: the m v P three and fifteen dominated. My numbers

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Speaker 1: weren't looking like that. I had one. I only missed

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Speaker 1: in that game? Remind us who was in that game?

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Speaker 1: Oldmark Cook? Okay, Eddie Griffin, My boy, he was cold,

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Speaker 1: he was he had a wetter to me. Eddie Griffin

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Speaker 1: was like more like that today's today's how the people

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Speaker 1: Now they placed just the life. They got the similar game,

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Speaker 1: Like he was working on that. So he was, you know,

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Speaker 1: but we had some dogs, though, Man, we have some dogs.

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Speaker 1: Talk to us about the recruiting process. You ended up

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Speaker 1: chosing Michigan State, But wor else did you consider? Stay?

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Speaker 1: I was coach was every game I look up in

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Speaker 1: he was recruiting me the most. You know, they was

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Speaker 1: because coach, you know Leonard, you know, he wanted to

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Speaker 1: know he was gonna let me rock out. You know

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Speaker 1: what thing. Do you have any crazy stories about coaches.

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Speaker 1: El Draymond told the story how they got like a

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Speaker 1: shouting match on the phone during the recruiting process, like

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Speaker 1: do you have any crazy years old stories? Man? Years O.

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Speaker 1: It was hard when me and Dre was in college

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Speaker 1: to that, but he supported me, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: My mother we were struggling. She was struggling. You know,

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Speaker 1: So you know, I was like, coach, I'm ready, you

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Speaker 1: I got a story. I was after the McDonald's game.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna go out to high school because the

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Speaker 1: mouse told me like, man, I'm about to go to

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Speaker 1: the league. I'm like, you're going to the league. Like ye.

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Speaker 1: So after McDonald's and I got All American, I went

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Speaker 1: number two player in the country. So the Posting Twins,

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Speaker 1: Posting Twins and the letter was on the table. Bro

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Speaker 1: and I looked at Mom. I said, Mom was sending down,

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Speaker 1: sitting down, said Mom, what you want me to do?

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Speaker 1: I want you to go to college for one year? Baby.

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Speaker 1: So I looked at the Twins. I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: But that was the best thing that I did, you know,

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Speaker 1: what I mean, God, God, what's playing for you? Gonna happen?

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Speaker 1: I got his shoes from that playoffs where my pair

423
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,439
Speaker 1: of shoes sign Man, it was now I studied that

424
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: play I watched film like I watched that series and

425
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 1: now I was young like coach gaming that he's John Lawyer.

426
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 1: We used to work out like watch that film because

427
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,360
Speaker 1: that was what Dirt was doing. Like you know he's

428
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 1: shooting right over your hand. You think you're touching at

429
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,160
Speaker 1: John going straight in and dirt and dirt. Want the best,

430
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 1: you know, you know, the Hall of Famer, but one

431
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 1: of the best to ever do it too, absolutely, you

432
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 1: know what I mean, When the best to ever do

433
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: thirty three thousand points scored, I can't beat that. So

434
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,239
Speaker 1: you get a little taste of the playoffs. Next year,

435
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: you come back to the with the vengeance when most

436
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 1: improved player, uh average twenty and ten. What was it like,

437
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 1: really finally getting to cut your teeth, get off the

438
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 1: cage and really do your things, show the world how

439
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: hard all the work you put in was. It was

440
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 1: great man to get a chance to be able to play,

441
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: and then for my teammates to believe in me, you

442
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean, to lead the team and and

443
00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: understand me, let me develop as a player, and and

444
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: you know, allowing it. So it was great and it

445
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: worked out perfect because you know what I mean, I

446
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: was one of them that listening and ain't seeing my

447
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: growth and seeing when I went through, and they've seen

448
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 1: the work I put in, so you know, just staying

449
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: at it. And I always came in with that and

450
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna dominate every game type attitude every game. You know,

451
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: me and me and my agent, we had a list,

452
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, shout out to ray Man,

453
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: Raymond Brothers Man. But you know, we got a list.

454
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: So every night he like, zebo, you got such a suing. Now, y'all,

455
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 1: I get this, w you go on him. He already

456
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: got the Scout report. So I'm like him, going eddie there.

457
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: He ain't turned nothing down. Given give a shot. We's

458
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,199
Speaker 1: playing shack. I'm going then, I'm going front. I'm a

459
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 1: rush them. I'm you're gonna knock me down, but I'm

460
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: getting up. Man, you can't turn nothing down, you know so,

461
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: And that was my type attitude. I asked so and

462
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: it helped me man my career. Mm hmmm. What was

463
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: it like entering the high level, high level NBA power

464
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: for conversation? Man, A blessing, you know what I mean,

465
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: the blessings you know, to be able to, you know,

466
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: players I played against say that I was, you know,

467
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: one of the best power force to play the game,

468
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: and well yeah, she eating. Just to be able to

469
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 1: say that, massive blessing, you know what I mean. Come

470
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: where I come from and things I went through and

471
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: and you know, being me and also having them the respect.

472
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: You know, I treat everybody the same respects. So getting

473
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: that little respect back, you know what I mean. I'm

474
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 1: gonna treat the the richest man like I treat the

475
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: poorest man. I'm gonna feel comfortable in the in the hood.

476
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: You know I'm not because I got money. I'm not

477
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: gonna be I can't go to wats or I can't

478
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: go to Detroit or back to my hood. Like no,

479
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 1: I don't really believe in that, you know what I mean?

480
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So having that line of

481
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: respect and treating everybody the same. Who are some of

482
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: your your favorite matchups in that power for that real

483
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: heavy power for error man all of man, duncan you

484
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Some hard matchups KG. You know

485
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm six not he just does seven foot in six eleven,

486
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: six twelve, so you know ticket his hands big, grabby

487
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: you and he control lead. I'm like, man, rest laing,

488
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 1: do what he wanted, you know what I mean? So

489
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 1: just man all the battles man, see where you know

490
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: I was a youngster, but you know he's battling man.

491
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: But you always held your own always I wasn't jumping hard,

492
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: wasn't running fast. Was gonna get that work, get that work.

493
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: So Portland goes into rebuild Moe, trading rashid away and

494
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: giving you your first big deal, six year, eighty four

495
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: million dollar extensions. What was it like? Obviously making the

496
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 1: league get your money, but really getting that first deal?

497
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: What was that like? Man? I cried again, Man, I

498
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: ain't mad, humble guy, you know, but then it was

499
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: a blessing man, and that I wann't satisfied, you know

500
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I wanted to continue to work

501
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,479
Speaker 1: when I've seen them, you know, I'm continue going, you know,

502
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: continue to stay home like I got the same hunger.

503
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 1: So you know, we're just in life and getting better

504
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: as a person, father, business, just everything I'm doing. So

505
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: just staying angry, you know what I mean, keeping that

506
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 1: will thinking him every time I was on the court.

507
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: You know, I'm thinking I'm the best player, all right,

508
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: you fears to bring me off the bench. I still

509
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 1: think I'm the best player, you know what I mean.

510
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: So just having that confidence, you know what I mean.

511
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: Do you have a nice six year run in Portland,

512
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: you get traded to the Knicks. Was that out of nowhere.

513
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 1: You kind of knew it was coming. Man. You know what.

514
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: Kevin Pritchard, let me tell you a funny story. And

515
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: I was in at the belvy Will Shore and actually

516
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: sees the trade about to come up. I see Kevin.

517
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: I'm in l A. I'm at the World Shore. I

518
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: see Kevin Pritchard. He was a general manager at the

519
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: time Portland. So I see Kevin downstairs in the check.

520
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: You know, I got the two you know how the

521
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: wool show and we still got the two sides and

522
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: checking in side. So we in the check and something

523
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: like yas. He's like, man, how are you doing? Like, man, hey,

524
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: zach Man, I'm not trading you. You're good. You know

525
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: that because I wasn't expecting to see him. He was

526
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: just down a lot. I'm not trading you get my

527
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: first time getting traded, bro, I'm not trading your good man.

528
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. So I go upstairs. I tell

529
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: my brother, like ship man, I just see Kevin. I

530
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: ain't going nowhere. I'm you know, I'm still gonna be

531
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: here because obviously, you know, I didn't want to get traded.

532
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: It my first any player that day. First time you

533
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: know some players, you know, at the elite level can

534
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: say that, but a hen get traded their first time,

535
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 1: it's gonna bother you. So oh why so I go

536
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: back upstairs to im gig. I ain't getting traded, man,

537
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: it show come on the first thing they say, ain't

538
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:41,719
Speaker 1: going to New York. Yeah, I just say, I said, damn.

539
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: I called Raymon Kevin say at trade so Ray like, man,

540
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: just be raised to watching they see me in New York.

541
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: But it was a great experience, you know what I

542
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: mean New York. I was only there a short time,

543
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: but it was organization great and I had a good

544
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: time playing that big alpum man play. I mean, and

545
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: they got Yeah. One season with the Knicks and then

546
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: you come back out to l A. How about you

547
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: skill not back out you come out to l A.

548
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: What is the experience like? Playing with that young Clipper

549
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: team was great? Who was on the team there, Man

550
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: b d Marcus Canby, young DeAndre, Yeah, squad. Mike Taylor

551
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: was gone at d D. So man, it was good man,

552
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: just being out here and we're super you know what

553
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: I mean. The record when they're good, but man, we

554
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: that's what good players. Man. So l A Clippers to Memphis. Man,

555
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: were you really kind of you mean you make a home.

556
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that experience down in town. Man,

557
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: that's my second home. Man. Shout out ma'am town not

558
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: on one. You know, yes, sir, it was great. Shout

559
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: out her passion. They still got your jersey up there. Man.

560
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: I can't wait till they reopen. We was just in

561
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: Memphis and wasn't then going on. I can't wait things

562
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: get back normal Memphis. Man, that's my city. And how

563
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: I was chicken? Man, what goods? It's goods to man,

564
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie of man. Coming to Memphis, it

565
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: was really like a blessing man. It was like really

566
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: a blessing man. And you know, just because it's a

567
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: hard working city like I fit in. It was like

568
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: a puzzle. I ain't boom, you know what I mean.

569
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: With the team and it was your team. Yeah, it

570
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: was just like like I was a missing piece or whatever.

571
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: So you know what I mean. We had you know,

572
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: Rudy and you know be a great player who was

573
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: great players around. So coming in with Mark and Michael

574
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: was just all coming together. And I think we first year,

575
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: we want like fifteen or ten more games. You can

576
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: see the you can see you know what I mean,

577
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: you can see what was coming. And you know, we

578
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: kept together and I think the next year, we think

579
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: we made our third year playoffs and then but we

580
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: kept improving, so we need that playoffs. Man, we just

581
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: ready and got t A. You know, t A came

582
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: so with him just making it complete, with it on

583
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: the defensive end and just everything. It was just you know,

584
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: the right fit. So being that city, man, and the

585
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: fans and the way the city embraced me. Bro, that's

586
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: that's home, you know what I mean, Like it's always

587
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: gonna be home. And you know I ain't no FedEx

588
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: for him. You know, I ain't no team playing whoop

589
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: that trick in the gym every and everybody, you know

590
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: what I say, Black people, white people, mesking, everybody of

591
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: all races ending up having a good time dancing. And

592
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: you can tell the city was really behind you. So man,

593
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: that was probably you know, it's my best city I

594
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: played in, Man, and um, you know that's home man. Yeah. Yeah,

595
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: got a good team with the first you guys made

596
00:30:49,120 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: with the Western Finals. Right, I got a question, what

597
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: was your because I never even I mean, we even

598
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: cool but I never even asked you this. What was

599
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: your issue with Blake? Griffin boy? Why every time he

600
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: played you he was he was here man Blake, man strong?

601
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: Blake wasn't he m you know? And you know Blake

602
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: was a player who who had confidence too, and you

603
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: know he went they went back and down, you know,

604
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, man Blake. We laugh about

605
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: it now we're cool now. But real battle, yeah, real battle,

606
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: like real, but I mean it, I ain't playing, ain't know,

607
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: ain't your friend on the court. So it's like, really,

608
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna go at you, you know what I mean.

609
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: I remember back smacking ship out of me. I turned around.

610
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: I thought with Blake, like damn, he was just bullying bro.

611
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: He did he did out of Blake. I had to

612
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: fall him hard man, and we almost He came in

613
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: like kind of gave me like a low key hug.

614
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: I thought we even gonna have to throw like, but

615
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: he kept bullying Blake. So I kind of had a

616
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: show Blake, I'm about I had to ask my dog too.

617
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: I was like at all people I had because he

618
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: just had this he was he was just bullying Blake.

619
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: They got down on the ground one time, they was

620
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: in some rappling ship and one game you got kicked

621
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: out like that ship was the league. Ain't ain't gonna

622
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: let you play like that? An let you He's going

623
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: real hard. You know, what's your relationship with Describe I

624
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: know your relationship, but describe your relationship with Tony Adam

625
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: one of the best films to play the game. Man,

626
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: that's my brother love, you know what I mean. And

627
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: Blesses Joint and you know th and Memph is still

628
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: you know, he's doing business and you know, been a

629
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: family man. So man, none but love, you know, for

630
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: all them guys. Mike Mark, you know, and talked to

631
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: back a couple of weeks ago. You know, so it's

632
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: solid love. Man. You know we are we gonna We're

633
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: gonna talk everybody, you know what I mean. Went to

634
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: show so seventh teenor run When you decided to hang

635
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: it up? Was it? Was it tough? Come to turns?

636
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: Your body was talking to you. What was the deciding

637
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: factor and you decided to hang it up? Man? Kind

638
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: of like when I was sitting out, I think I

639
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: left Sacramento, I went to Dallas, got traded. I didn't

640
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: go but you know what I mean, but I have

641
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: gave it a little time, you know what, I mean

642
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: to see what was going on. And I wasn't going

643
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: like sit around for no two or three years like

644
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: a lot of players still ain't officially retired like r. Now.

645
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: You know, I got a lot of stuff going on

646
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: business and a lot of the other stuff I want

647
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: to do, and you know, with my kids and and

648
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: um everything. So I was like, you know what, man,

649
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: I'm good where him at, took care of my money,

650
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm happy, you know, let's do it.

651
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: And I'm ready, you know, retired. Man. I feel good

652
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: about it. You know. I work out every day and

653
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,239
Speaker 1: take care of myself. So it's been a blessing, bro,

654
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: so Jack said. Jack said, still like it looked like

655
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: in good ship like you could. You're looking good. I

656
00:33:54,120 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: still give your visits. Still I never doubted that. So

657
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: what comes to mind when when when I say one

658
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: of the most classic lines ever in my hood, bullies

659
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: get bullied. Talk to us about that, because man, you

660
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: little rug, you know, buggy baby beasting down there, man

661
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: telling y'all just to like, yeah, ain't telling buddy, he

662
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: got buddy shook up. He's like, buddy, I'm like many buddy,

663
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: you know, I'm you know, I'm like mass my lone

664
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: lead buddy alone. You know, he laughed because he's bullying,

665
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: but I'm like, he stopped there. You know where he's from.

666
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: Bullies get bullied, you know what i mean, just laughing

667
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: at Ship. You know, I'm always funk a little bro.

668
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, he a beast though it was

669
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: a healthy boogie. Talk to us about how talented he

670
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: was stupid, just how big he is, how you can

671
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: move and you know, how he used his body and

672
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: he buy he was six lemons and foot handle with

673
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: handle can shoot the John. Then he he ain't saw

674
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: so he's gonna bang you. They they're gonna dunk you.

675
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: So it's like he had it, really had bully got

676
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: the old package. You know, I know he you know,

677
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: the injuries or whatever kind of but man, he was

678
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: on pace to go down as one of the greatest. Really,

679
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: no questions after retirement. Obviously, fatherhood comes first and foremost. Uh,

680
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: you and row your your daughter to play with Kobe.

681
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: Talk to us about those experiences, because when I talked

682
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: to Code, he was telling me, it's like, yeah, I

683
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: got these girls running the tryang. We're practicing five or

684
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: six days a week. I'm like, bro, these are little girls.

685
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't care. Yeah, that was serious. Man.

686
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: He really like round him like rand him like a

687
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: real real protein. I'm like a real size as he

688
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: wanted to. I'm doing it talking about every day trainers

689
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 1: on the beach, eating everything that gets a little girl

690
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: like young girls. And you was coming from way out

691
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: where you coming from by me and going all the

692
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: way out there every day. Hey bro, I'm like, damn,

693
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: but it was a blessing. My daughter she loved and

694
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: you know Kobe man. I called Kobe, I got her

695
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: hold him, was moving iron. She's like, Daddy, I want

696
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: him play for cod. She came to me about it,

697
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: So you think I can play for his team? You

698
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna do anything for my kids instantly, you know,

699
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: I ain't have cold number. I reached out to somebody

700
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: who did, and man, Kobe text me like the next day,

701
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: like what's up? Bo hit back? He like like, man,

702
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: my daughter, we're moving out there. She want to play?

703
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: Can she trial? You gotta spot for He's like, look,

704
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: you know that she can come and we can see

705
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: how I go. You know, I think one our big

706
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: one of the Biggs was hurt or somewhere. I just left,

707
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: move somewhere and can we came and it was like

708
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: the missing piece of Kobe loved her man the girls

709
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: and you know. And when he told me he loved

710
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: my baby, bro, I told him I love you, I

711
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: love mine, I love you and you know what I mean,

712
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: That's how I was. You know what I mean, numbeloved,

713
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: respect the rest of it. No, I want to ask,

714
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: though I already told when this ship started, um, you

715
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: would motherfucking killed the Big Three any chance the ice

716
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: Cube is gonna see you out there? Man on live Man,

717
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: I ain't ship before the Corona hit. When that I

718
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: was talking to you and you I was ready. I

719
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: was bron show out too. We broke down and that

720
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: when I posted that I broke down and that Zvo trilogy,

721
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: I was like, what Vo, it's going down? I just man,

722
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: at the point, I can't. You know, I'm probably play

723
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: some red ball, but I ain't. I can't then down

724
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: to the battle of Big Redgie and Big Baby. You

725
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: know the boys, real country, strong man. If I'm at tidy,

726
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: those shoes up real tight, man, get on their ass.

727
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: You know. Nah, but man, now I could just I

728
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: can't do it, man, I couldn't do it. Thoughts on

729
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: this young Grizzly squad. I was just down there a

730
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago watching The Man of Beasts, I mean,

731
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: John jarn Ax, and the upside of them is is

732
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: so crazy, man. And and you know John, he's special

733
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: and Jarry you know the Spartan Dogs. And they got

734
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: a good core of players, you know, dealing and you

735
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: got some a player. So I think where the Grizzlies

736
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: going right now is it's great? Man? Yeah, definitely the

737
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: right building stage, Yeah, definitely. I want to shout out something,

738
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: but tell some funny story. So back when I went

739
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: and play with them, Listen, Nigga always used to try

740
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: to take the radio over in the locker room. Bro,

741
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: but he was always bumping somebody always. You gotta check

742
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: out money artist man. His name is money Bag. He

743
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: from out here. He give me nice. So he used

744
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: to bump the ship into He be like, yo, turn

745
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: that ship, oh bro lo and behold, man, you got

746
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: just cracked the number one album in the world. Congrats, Bro,

747
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: congrat money Bag bag Man. Shout out english Man shout hey, bro,

748
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: he was bumping your ship in two thousand? Was that

749
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: four first kick off? Bro? Every motherfucking day, every time

750
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: we every time he's in locker room, he was pumping.

751
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: That's like a money artist. I'm like, that's what's up.

752
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: And it ended up being them and this man got

753
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: the number one album in the world now, man, So congratulations,

754
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: appreciate it, man, man, you know what I mean. And

755
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: you know money bag man, you know, he wanted the

756
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: best at it, you know what I mean. And just

757
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: saying that because my little brother. But he really talented

758
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: and man, um just a blessing man for everything. Just

759
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: been in the city, you know, been in the city

760
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: and just hooking up and being out there. You know,

761
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm in the community, man. Everywhere I go, I'm in

762
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: the community l A to Indiana to Memphis to everywhere,

763
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: and um, you know, just giving back and just giving back.

764
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: And we hooked up, you know, and he was hot, man,

765
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: you know, and I see him like, yeah, the first

766
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: time it started, this label we did it together started.

767
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: How does it feel like? I know, I ain't the

768
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: first artist that you got involved. When I know I've

769
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: been amusing. We didn't had a lot of artists people

770
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: we tried to help. How good does it feel to

771
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: know that you finally got it right? It was my

772
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 1: first artist? Is your first artist? Yeah, it's the first artist.

773
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: Bag was my first artist, and it was it was

774
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: a blessing, like you know what I mean, because, like

775
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: you said, I came in and Dale day this. He

776
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: used to have a record label war Yeah, you know,

777
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: I'm so and up a game. So deal was always shitty,

778
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: like man should cost me money and I losing me

779
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: it's a dollar. I'm not what You're like man on

780
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: their vest and ship. I'm like, so I always everybody's

781
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: come to me about music all the time, like now

782
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: I ain't doing that. But when I semificent a little

783
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: later on hearing hearing money back like yeah he hard,

784
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I'm gonna try to

785
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: do this and do it the right way. And when

786
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: I came and told you, I was like, who is this?

787
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: This it's hard my artist? I mean five years later,

788
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: dude got the number one album in the world, got

789
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: a lag with him. I got a meeting because you

790
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: know hell fellow brother too. Yeah. Yeah. Outside of music, uh,

791
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 1: you know, post career, what else you win? Business wise,

792
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: what are you're working? I gotta you know, on the something,

793
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: the marijuana industry, you know, real estate. I'm really entrepreneur. Man.

794
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: I try to do every do everything I can learn

795
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: about you know what I mean. I learned it every

796
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 1: day and I'm open to learning. So I just want

797
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: to get out there and get There's certain things that

798
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: I've never been in technology, you know, I'm trying to

799
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: besten some of that right now. So now I'm just

800
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: trying to just move and groove. Man. You know, he

801
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: pays time. He pays time to me. Twenty acres one time,

802
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 1: living good. Yeah, quick hitters, first team to come to mind.

803
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: Give us an answer. Top five artists right now, jay

804
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: Z Drake, baby Man. I listen to everybody, man, everybody

805
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: ain't it's listing going no man nahs. You know I

806
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: listened to everything. I just love music, man, I listen

807
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 1: to everything. Can you ever try to wrap yourself? I'm

808
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: better at being the CEO. I can't stack jack and

809
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: rap though I can't wrap Top five Forwards of all time,

810
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: power and Powerfuards of all time, Man, duncan ticket m.

811
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: I gotta put Dirk in there, and you know what

812
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: I mean, shot. Don't go shack pothing that put dirt

813
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: dirt ticket dunking. It's a lot of man, the list

814
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: can be go see where you know what I mean?

815
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: All right, Ship Carl Yeah, Man, you got around watching

816
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:33,959
Speaker 1: Carl Yeah, man, Man, Barkley, Barkley. It's a really list

817
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: man good. Yeah, it's it's a long list. I mean

818
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: that West. You definitely that West, and he was in

819
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: that West so like mc dice, like wack I was

820
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: recently like every night it was a battle like West

821
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: had all the powerful. It was threes and fours back

822
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: there threason four or two threes and fours. I don't

823
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: mean interrupt, but you just remind miss something he said

824
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: to West. Do you remember when y'all play San Antonio?

825
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 1: But man, body talked about this all the time. I said, bonds,

826
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: pull up, bro, come smoke when y'all get there. The

827
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: whole team showed up at my house, every last one

828
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: of y'all. Dog. I'm like, he's like everybody wanted to come. Bro.

829
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,479
Speaker 1: Your whole team was in my garage. Do you remember that? Man?

830
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: I remember let a lot of times, a lot of time,

831
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: remember a lot of times now. But it's it's a

832
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: lot of Man, it's a lot of like you said,

833
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: the greatest power for his conversations, a lot on man

834
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: that list up outside game. You're taking four people to

835
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: the black Top with you. You're taking black Top like

836
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: I'm taking Tony at show. You can get you the

837
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: whole ing n Let you get by m N stack Jack.

838
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm there pulling up like Marcus Smart Yeah, dog yeah,

839
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: MARKU Smart t a t A. I was to quenttel

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Speaker 1: That's the wrap All the Smoke Special your edition Zebo.

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