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Speaker 1: Women. It's Women's Month. I love powerful women that are

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Speaker 1: unafraid to say, Hey, get off my neck, get out

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Speaker 1: I love all those women that aren't afraid to speak

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Speaker 1: about something that everyone's scared to step on. You know

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Speaker 1: to support them. Retweet. When I see them, I say

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Speaker 1: thank you and they say thank you for the music.

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Speaker 1: So I'm doing something. It may not be what they're

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Speaker 2: That's all doing something.

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Speaker 1: We're doing something.

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Speaker 2: Sit back, relax and welcome. Let us ee to Naked.

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Speaker 3: It's the greatest suspense and entertainment can make you win.

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Speaker 3: Every champion make Cary Chappy is going to be a champion.

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Speaker 3: A champion. They care a chapion the champion. They care

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Speaker 3: with champion and care with chat.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to a new edition of Naked.

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Speaker 4: It is Women's History Month, and I just want to

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Speaker 4: do a couple of things. I want to shout out

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Speaker 4: a couple of women. Hey, you know what I want

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Speaker 4: to shout out myself. I want to thank myself.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Nissie Nash for reminding us that we should just thank ourselves.

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Speaker 4: Life is is is one of these things that make

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Speaker 4: you laugh, and it also can be, obviously for many people,

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Speaker 4: really difficult. And I think oftentimes a conversation that me

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Speaker 4: and my girlfriends have often is as a black woman,

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Speaker 4: we don't feel seen or heard and and and depending

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Speaker 4: on who you're talking to, if you're talking to someone

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Speaker 4: who's not a black woman, they may roll their eyes.

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Speaker 2: They're like, what does that mean? What does that mean?

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Speaker 4: And it means that we could be doing the same

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Speaker 4: job that our male counterpart is doing, or we could

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Speaker 4: be doing the same exact work that our our white

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Speaker 4: female counterpart is doing. But we we often don't feel acknowledged,

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Speaker 4: and we often feel like our words fall on ears

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Speaker 2: Right, They're just like death, No one wants to hear it.

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Speaker 4: And I see all these wonderful women in certain spaces

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Speaker 4: that have these these titles with their jobs. But I

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Speaker 4: also know, as we celebrate Women's History Month, that these

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Speaker 4: jobs and these big, these big titles that some people

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Speaker 4: have like I'm the CEO of this or the CEO

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Speaker 4: of that, rarely do black women have those titles with

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Speaker 4: the power and what I mean is you give it

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Speaker 4: to me because it looks good, but when I try

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Speaker 4: to assert my power, I am not allowed to assert

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Speaker 4: my power.

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Speaker 2: There's an asterisk.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you may be the cm O, the chief marketing

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Speaker 4: officer for a company, but now you're doing something that

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Speaker 4: is really out of your range and we can't trust you.

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Speaker 4: So we're gonna let your other counterpart, your your white

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Speaker 4: male counterpart, or your white female counterpart, have a little

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Speaker 4: more power than you do.

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Speaker 2: And it's unfortunate.

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Speaker 4: So I just want to give a shout out to

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Speaker 4: all women as we celebrate Women's History Month. But I

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Speaker 4: want to give a special love, some special love to

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Speaker 4: my sister's in a struggle. I see you, I know you,

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Speaker 4: I feel you, even if I don't know you. But

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Speaker 4: what I do know, if I'm being honest with you,

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Speaker 4: the underlying feeling of I want more, I deserve more,

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Speaker 4: I need to be acknowledged is real. And I encourage

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Speaker 4: you not to give up. I encourage you to stay focused.

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Speaker 4: I encourage you to get through it all, to focus

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Speaker 4: on the good in life, if you will, to focus

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Speaker 4: on what's good. Because if I'm complaining, there's someone looking

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Speaker 4: at me. Saying, you're complaining about the stuff you dreamed about.

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Speaker 4: This was all a dream at one point, Carrie, So

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Speaker 4: how the heck you complaining? And I understand, Like I said,

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Speaker 4: it's tiring, but I encourage you all to focus on

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Speaker 4: the good this month. The good that you've been able

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Speaker 4: to do, the good that you've been able to accomplish,

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Speaker 4: the good that is still yet to come.

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Speaker 2: And that is real.

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Speaker 4: And with that being said, I'm leading into our next

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Speaker 4: guest because she is doing that with her latest album.

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Speaker 2: She is focusing on the good.

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine? Y'all know lettusy And if you don't,

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Speaker 4: I don't know where you've been. And when I tell

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Speaker 4: you to download her latest album, to listen to her

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Speaker 4: past albums and play it in your house, play it

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Speaker 4: in your car. Her music is healing. It makes you

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Speaker 4: feel good about yourself. It makes you, even if it

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Speaker 4: It's calming and we need calm in this day and age.

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Speaker 4: Trust me, we really really do. And because it is

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Speaker 4: Women's History Month, we are going to talk about what

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Speaker 4: I believe is one of our great singers. She is

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Speaker 4: not only a singer she's an actress. She's played the

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Speaker 4: likes of a Patti LaBelle, Gladys Knight, Mahelia Jackson in Selma.

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Speaker 4: If you saw Selma. It takes someone with a crazy

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Speaker 4: amount of fortitude to say I'm going to use my

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Speaker 2: Glad as Night, Mahelia Jackson, Petty Label. Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 2: You're not intimidating. That has to be for a singer

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Speaker 4: She's also a professor at the Berkeley School of Music,

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Speaker 4: and I'd like to call her an activist. She doesn't

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Speaker 4: necessarily live necessarily in the political atmosphere, but she's an

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Speaker 4: activist at her core, a musical activist, an activist for

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Speaker 4: the culture, and activist for the people. She is a

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Speaker 4: renaissance woman in every single way, and she is here

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Speaker 4: today on Naked to talk about her journey and her

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Speaker 4: latest album, Good Life. Everybody, sit back, relax, turn up

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Speaker 4: the valume, and I know I already know what you're

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Speaker 2: There's so many commercials.

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Speaker 4: You can fast forward to those commercials so you can

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Speaker 4: get right to this juice, this education, this Ted talk

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Speaker 4: she's about to give us.

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Speaker 2: Sit back, relax and welcome. Let usy to Naked.

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Speaker 1: Champion, and care with Chatpian.

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Speaker 4: I normally just start with an origin story because what

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Speaker 4: I'm really interested in When I meet people that are

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Speaker 4: really talented, I'm always curious about how that talent was fostered.

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Speaker 4: When did they know they have had that certain talent?

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Speaker 4: And I'm reading your story and you come from a

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Speaker 4: musical family, and I'm curious because you talked about this

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Speaker 4: And I want to know when you're seven or eight

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Speaker 4: when you were seven or eight years old as a child,

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Speaker 4: growing up in a musical household, How did you know

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Speaker 1: My mom was my Michael Jackson, right. She was the

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Speaker 1: most because I saw her do what I wanted to do,

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Speaker 1: so when she approved it, then it felt good. And

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Speaker 1: the other reason is I got more friends when I

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Speaker 1: it calm things. So that's when I knew I had something.

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Speaker 1: What it was, I don't know. You don't know at

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Speaker 1: react or feel. Then I did. I knew I want

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Speaker 2: So did your mother say to you when you were little,

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Speaker 4: When do you just when do you start singing? When

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Speaker 4: do you just say, uh oh, that sounds good? Because

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Speaker 4: I thought, I, you know, that's a gift that everyone wants.

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Speaker 4: Everyone wants to learn how to sing. You sing in

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Speaker 4: the shower, I would love, And then I learned quickly

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Speaker 4: I was. There was no singing for me ever in

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Speaker 4: my life. So when did you go that you, at

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Speaker 2: Did you just start singing because you heard your mom sing?

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Speaker 1: I don't remember the reason. My mom said, I just

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Speaker 1: I knew the song. I didn't tell them I could sing.

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Speaker 1: My mom is not the stage mom. She didn't force anything.

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Speaker 1: She didn't say sing this sing back to me. We

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Speaker 1: And so naturally, one day I just started singing, and

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Speaker 1: I was like, you just sang Reasons by Earth when

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Speaker 1: She said. You were on pitch, you real tiny, sitting

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Speaker 4: Say the least, And you just started seeing it. She

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Speaker 1: So I became that family member where the baby get

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Speaker 2: For me, it was read the church program because you

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Speaker 2: that is really special. I also I also know that

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Speaker 2: you just said something. Your voice calms people. So when

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Speaker 4: I could clean, I could walk, I could talk, I

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Speaker 2: Do you believe that's a God given gift?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, there's no no afterthought about that is definitely not

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Speaker 1: it comes from a special place because there are days

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Speaker 1: I had a friend come to my rehearsal, our final

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Speaker 1: tour rehearsal. We've been best friends a long time, and

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Speaker 1: he still goes, I don't know how you do. He

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Speaker 1: studies music, he knows the voice. But he says, you're

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Speaker 1: not You're an alien. They can do the things you do.

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Speaker 1: And I say, well, I said, I don't feel like it.

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Speaker 1: I'm working hard and I like doing the same amount

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Speaker 1: of work as everybody else. But he's like, no, but

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Speaker 1: it looks so you look so relaxed. When you do it,

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Speaker 1: you look so calm. I said, no, there there's a

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's like I'm I'm nervous all the time,

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Speaker 1: like interesting. I want to be like anybody else. I

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Speaker 1: what I do, it's like a workout. I give a lot.

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Speaker 1: That's why at the end, I'm like, I don't know

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Speaker 1: Normally I put myself more in it. This time I couldn't.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I want to hear about that.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of day to day.

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Speaker 4: I'm with you. I was like, these are real problems.

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Speaker 1: You didn't have anything, so I was let me think

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Speaker 2: It's sad. It's sad.

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Speaker 3: Every champion and carry champion is to be a champion,

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Speaker 4: I wonder is it difficult to make that transition to acting.

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Speaker 1: How would let usye do it?

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Speaker 2: Like you and I.

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Speaker 2: Like working with other actors? Ie? You do?

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Speaker 1: I would love to get lessons from Divine. She's incredible

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Speaker 2: Did you read Viola Davis's book?

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Speaker 4: No, not yet, And by read, I mean download an audio,

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Speaker 4: because I don't be reading like that, So I don't

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Speaker 2: She's like my grandma.

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Speaker 4: About to download this book and we can talk about

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Speaker 4: That's why I was a New York Times bestseller. Just

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Speaker 4: We were like, Mary, how you gonna heal and not

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Speaker 2: Money and we and we need it. Now you you

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Speaker 1: You know what I don't. We don't need that. We

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Speaker 1: Ooh you mad tonight. Oh it's gonna be a good show.

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Speaker 2: You got something to say? Oh I'm mad at him?

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Speaker 1: You know, I write it in such songs. My earlier work,

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Speaker 2: don't give.

440
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: It to you, guys. I just do. I just try to.

441
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: I don't think people want to hear all that. I mean,

442
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: maybe they do podcasts now, but that's you know, certain things.

443
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 4: I just work it out on my own yeah, and

444
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 4: you and that was a season, as that was a

445
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 4: season for Mary.

446
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: Right, it's a season and it's okay, yeah, but it

447
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: does make great music. I can't lie because all righte trauma, Okay,

448
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 1: how I'm I pay these dang on bills? What am

449
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: I gonna do? So it's like survival mode, you know

450
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: what I mean, back in the day. So I get

451
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: it and it does help because someone else is going

452
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: through it, and I think that's why people relate to

453
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 1: my music. But good Life on the song good Light,

454
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: actual song, I was exhausted and you hear it.

455
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: I say it.

456
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: I throw out my hands, thank you for this life

457
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: blessings over me. I try to think positive about it.

458
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 2: I don't know.

459
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: I cry till there's no more tears. Like I'm saying,

460
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: I'm done. I'm depleted. I don't know what else to

461
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: do but surrender, so help make this work. I'm still grateful.

462
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm exhausted, you know. So I put those little things

463
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: in the music and say the truth. And then on

464
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: another song, I say about like we're not we always

465
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: gaslight each other, and what way like we when we

466
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: talk about relationships, I'm talking about in if you're going

467
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: to be here, be here. If you're not, then move

468
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: out the way, so I don't waste my time, you know,

469
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 1: because you can't get time back all we have, so

470
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,959
Speaker 1: we want to use our time preciously and choose who

471
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: we want there to enjoy our time with whomever. But

472
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: there are people that come in and make it in

473
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: the way. So be honest about it. And that's why

474
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 1: I love getting older, because you could just say whatever

475
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: you want to say, that's right, worry about the consequences,

476
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: Like I just need to know so I.

477
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: Can go and waste my time. I don't have it.

478
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 2: I got life to live.

479
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: So maybe I'm working it out that way.

480
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 4: Yes, that's what I said. That's another way of it.

481
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 4: It's the same, but it's just a much more mature,

482
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 4: curated way of saying what you feel. But it also

483
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 4: reflects where you're at. I think in your life too,

484
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 4: Like what you've been through, You're like, I don't have

485
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 4: to I don't have the time to cry. Who want

486
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 4: to cry and fight? But you won't do that all

487
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 4: the time. But it does give you, you know that

488
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 4: great music, but it can be it can manifest in

489
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 4: different ways. Is there an artist that you would never

490
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 4: work with again, but you wouldn't say their names?

491
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 2: Have you ever?

492
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 4: Wait? Wait you see I didn't said it very casually

493
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 4: like no big deal. There's a story behind this too, because.

494
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: If I was as brave as you, I just cannot.

495
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 4: You were like, you don't have to say a name,

496
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 4: but you're like, yeah, no, I was working with I

497
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 4: was working on this project.

498
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, I ain't fooling with him no more or her.

499
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 4: I have that about people in my field, like as

500
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 4: a journalist, I'm like, I don't feel like I respect

501
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 4: what they do.

502
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 2: They're the greatest. I've never I can say.

503
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 1: I have had a person's number and I've called over

504
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: and over.

505
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 2: Oh I hate that able to.

506
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: Work with them, and they and they are incredible in

507
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: their own right, and I'll just keep calling to try to,

508
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: you know, make it happen, and then they don't respond.

509
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: But when you see them in person, oh, here's the

510
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: same number, and hey call me here and you do

511
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: the same cycle. That kind of stuff. Yeah, I've totally

512
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: let go of all that kind of stuff. That's gaslighting.

513
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 4: But that's also a compliment because to your talent and

514
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 4: who you are, and they think, oh, for sure, Oh

515
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 4: for sure.

516
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: I don't know whether it is.

517
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 4: It's almost like we should get together and then, or

518
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 4: we should do this and we should do that. That's

519
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 4: a compliment. I take it as a compliment. When someone

520
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 4: tells me you love that, that's a compliment. She's like,

521
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 4: or he's like, or whomever is like. I don't know

522
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 4: the person. They know what you are, and maybe perhaps

523
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 4: they're shine could bring more shine to you, or perhaps

524
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 4: you're shine would out shine them. But whatever it is,

525
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 4: that is, you're not thinking that way.

526
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 2: You just want to do.

527
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 4: You want to do art, you want to but for

528
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 4: that to like you, it's a calculated thing, you know

529
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 4: what I mean. Like you can't keep coming to me

530
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 4: saying let's work together and then or I keep coming

531
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 4: you say on this work together or call you and

532
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 4: ignore me. Then when every time you see me and

533
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 4: stop it don't be that way.

534
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: So well, now I just avoid the dialogue.

535
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: And like it's not even time. Okay. I appreciate that.

536
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: I love you for that because there's just no need.

537
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: I ain't fooling with you.

538
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: I don't have time.

539
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 4: Forday, Yeah, last night you talked about writers last night

540
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 4: when this podcast there on Monday. It will be Thursday night.

541
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 4: Thursday night, Lisa Ray had a party call Where the

542
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 4: Black People At? This is why you love her because

543
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 4: the party is called where are the Black People At?

544
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 4: And it was just a it was a casual thing, right,

545
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 4: tons of people show up. I see this man that

546
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 4: I've had a crush on forever. He's a writer. I

547
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 4: have a crush on him forever. To your point, like

548
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 4: we all we DM we exchange, we'd be dming be exchanging.

549
00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 4: He'd be hardened, I'd be heartened. See this full in person.

550
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: And he's like what, I what?

551
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 4: And I was like, see now, I don't like you.

552
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 4: He's trying to pretend like he doesn't remember any of

553
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 4: our exchanges. And I was like, I was about to

554
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 4: upgrade your life.

555
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: It is over. You are real, Hollywood. I don't respect that.

556
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: I want you to be who you are. You know

557
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: what I mean? Yeah?

558
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: Every time, every time.

559
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 2: Because we're too old for that. You're too old for that.

560
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: What're too old for that?

561
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 4: To your point, and I just just like I get it,

562
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 4: so I know what you're feeling in this. In case,

563
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 4: it was he's just whatever. But I don't know why

564
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 4: I told you that story.

565
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: No, but I love it.

566
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 4: I love it.

567
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: You were like, what is going on?

568
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: I was like, it was agreeing that I forgot I downgrade.

569
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: I'll come back to that.

570
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 4: Oh, it was the writing of it all. But he's

571
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 4: still an amazing writer. And you say you're interested in

572
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 4: working with amazing writers. Is there some movie that you've

573
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 4: seen this Award season where you felt like the writing

574
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 4: was phenomenal? I want to work with this.

575
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: American Fiction was incredible written.

576
00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 2: I love that. Why did you like American fiction? What

577
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: did he give you? I saw it too. I love it.

578
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: But I like the comedy. I like the comedy. I

579
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: like the honesty of it. I like the ending a lot,

580
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: and I love the actors, the delivery of it. You

581
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: can tell where it's some of it is just more natural.

582
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: You can tell the writer made space for them to play.

583
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: And the Erica is everything. I love seeing Erica in this.

584
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: It was different because she did she had moments that

585
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: weren't funny that I liked. I hadn't seen that part

586
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: of her in a long time, so I had I agree.

587
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,239
Speaker 1: I love that they made her a girlfriend. I love

588
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: that she was sexy and all the things. I was like,

589
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: I want more of that for us. Do you think

590
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: that you will?

591
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 4: And of course you will, But I know that a

592
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 4: lot of the roles where people I've seen you, you've

593
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 4: played other actresses, you, you've played other singers. Would you

594
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 4: want to do something that's a crazy departure? What is

595
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 4: a what would be a crazy departure for you?

596
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: I would love to play someone completely dysfunctional and mean

597
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: and uh and comedy. I would love like someone whose

598
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: loud mouth, that auntie that come in the room and

599
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: cut up. I would love to play that that you're like,

600
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: say that, like that. I would love to be that.

601
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: Anything that has to do with being boisterous love I

602
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: love that and unexpected. Are you the opposite of that

603
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: in your life? Am I the opposite? And I'm that

604
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: way with my band? I cut up with my band, Yeah,

605
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: but not in front of a bunch of people. You know.

606
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm from nos We classy, yeah.

607
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: I Do you consider yourself an introvert around other people?

608
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: Are you shy when you're in a different room.

609
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: Sometime until you get to know me? But I'm a

610
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: little bit of both. I've had I had to become

611
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of both because you can't just sit

612
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: in the corner and watch people. He had to get

613
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: out there and talk to folks. So I do that

614
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: a lot a lot more better. I think the twenty

615
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: twenty taught me how to be more sociable. Okay, out

616
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: like wow to my audience, and because you couldn't reach

617
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: them any other way, so I had to be on

618
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: the internet. That The Internet is what scares me the most,

619
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: like this zooming stuff. That's just not my thing. But

620
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: I do it anyway and try to personality in the box,

621
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I'm a laugher. I

622
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: love laughing loud. I love hanging out. I'm that that

623
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: part of the Everybody loves seeing that. And I cussed

624
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know what I mean. People love

625
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: seeing that. I posted this little clip of me cussing

626
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: in the studio. Everybody's like, oh, I'm grown. I cuss,

627
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

628
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 2: It's like it happened loud. I still love the Lord,

629
00:32:59,200 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: Like okay, I'm.

630
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,479
Speaker 1: I'm still one. But I cut up a little bit,

631
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: and that's my thing. And people are shocked when I

632
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: say yeah I can sing, They're like really, yeah, it's

633
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: not being arrogant, it's just saying that's what I do.

634
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: I'm a whole call me to do.

635
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: I sing with an A. I can sing, you can,

636
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: you don't sing, you can do all of that stuffs.

637
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: And then teaching is fun too. I love when teaching.

638
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: I'm direct with teaching too. I don't mess around with

639
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: that stuff.

640
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: What do you mean when you teach other people to sing?

641
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: When I teach, I teach at Berkeley College of Music, right,

642
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: I teach it with the the Jazz and Gender Justice,

643
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: which is a program out of Berkeley College of Music

644
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: that Terry Lane Carrington founded. A Grammy Award winning professor.

645
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: She's incredible to musician. She likes to make sure there's

646
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: diversity with women in musicianship and uh in music spaces,

647
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, in front and whatever. But she's the

648
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: one that helped me become a professor there. And we

649
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: teach Africana studies, We teach masterclasses with singing, We teach

650
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: about legends you know that came before me, and all

651
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: the things. I feel that singers need to learn how

652
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: to perform and own their space in the world and

653
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: not feel timid about it. Just be unapologetic and stand

654
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: in your space and go, you know, what I mean,

655
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: This is who I am erics and because everybody thinks

656
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: per they're imperfections, they're all. That's the first thing they

657
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 1: focus on this era because the because of social media,

658
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 1: like you can't be you got to be perfect. It's

659
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: like no, your imperfections make you who you are, So

660
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: just eat that.

661
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 4: Well.

662
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: My other teacher said I shouldn't sing here. I said,

663
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: why not this part of your voice? Use it for

664
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: something else, Move it out the way it maybe it

665
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: doesn't work for this style of music, but save it

666
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: for something else. I use every part of my voice

667
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: and they're shocked, you know, But that's those are the

668
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: kind I'm the rebellious one. I'm very rebel like I

669
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: just I don't follow the rules that great. But people

670
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: don't know that about me because you're not hanging out

671
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: with me. You don't see how I teach or move.

672
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: You just see this record, you know what I mean.

673
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: And I'm not always online to show that part.

674
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 4: And whether it's intentional or not intentional, because I don't

675
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 4: think you have to put everything on social media. I

676
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 4: don't think everything that you have is met for social media,

677
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 4: although society today will tell you that. But I've always

678
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 4: thought that music was the biggest for our culture, for

679
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 4: black folks, especially one of the biggest ways in which

680
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 4: we advocate for ourselves and tell people how to fight

681
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:41,760
Speaker 4: the justice.

682
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: And I'm black and I'm proud, you know what I mean?

683
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: Do you consider yourself an advocate? Absolutely? In what way?

684
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: In wellness? In balance? That chaos is real, messy is real.

685
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: I advocate. You don't know that I advocate. My closest

686
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: friends know me. Musician friends know they see me behind

687
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: the scenes advocating. I don't show that part of me.

688
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, I guess how they said Prince was where

689
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: he does stuff and they just now finding out about it.

690
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: I'm one of those kind of people like I don't

691
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: have to brag about my advocacy. I was shocked. I

692
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: did an interview and someone found out about it, you

693
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And they're like, I was like, oh,

694
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: we're talking about that. I didn't know. You know, I

695
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: have a care for musicians' rights, and I advocate for

696
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,479
Speaker 1: you know, with recording academy for the youth and making

697
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: sure there's balance between the old school and new school,

698
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: making sure everybody is seen and heard, not just being

699
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: relevant all the time. Sometimes it's not about that, it's

700
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: about the quality of the work. Well, for me, it's

701
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: always about that and preserving history. I love history and

702
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: people and I don't know. I just think I'm an

703
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: advocate in my own way, kind of like how Mahela

704
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: was her money where she needed to. She sang the

705
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: songs to unite people. Same thing. Bob Marley did, same thing,

706
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: Marion did, same thing. So many others have done to

707
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: unite people, or to ignite people, or to make people

708
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: think about how they feel about things, or say the

709
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: things they can't say. And I have to remind some

710
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: of the elders. Look, they is wild out here. We

711
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: need to talk about those things. Nothing's wrong with it

712
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: is here. So let's let them talk about it. Or

713
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: I'll say it, but I'll say it in a different

714
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: way than the other person will. But it needs to

715
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: be said, you know. And they're like, well that's too this.

716
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: I said, I love it. We need all of us,

717
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: all of the things out there, to find out what

718
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: it is and see, you know, is it hurting us

719
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: or is it not. That's why I love. I just

720
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: love what I do. I add a space of safety.

721
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm not judging you be who you are, do what

722
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: you do, but don't but remember there's a root to

723
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: you too. What's your history, what's your legacy? What are

724
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: you leaving behind? What will that say about your line

725
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: of family members? I still trust and love that part

726
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: of us, So I'm holding on to it, and so

727
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: and a lot of other people are. But I don't judge.

728
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: That's not my theme.

729
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: Every champion and carry champions. To be a champion, a

730
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 3: champion and carry champion and carry chappy y'all? A champion

731
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 3: and carry champion and carry champion?

732
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 4: Sports and entertainment?

733
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 2: Can naked weird.

734
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 3: Look very champion and cary champions? To be a champion,

735
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 3: A champion and carry champion? Niggers City yat a champion

736
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 3: and carry champion and carry champion entertainment?

737
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 2: Can I get work as an activist? Do you? Would

738
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 2: you if you had a title? People love titles. You

739
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 2: don't have to have one.

740
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 4: But would you call yourself a musical activist, a political activist,

741
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 4: an activist in general? Do you live in all of

742
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 4: these spaces? I did a quick and this is quick

743
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 4: when I tell you, it wasn't deep, but it's a quick,

744
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 4: little deep dive. I and I noticed that you follow

745
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 4: so many of my really good girlfriends and they are

746
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 4: about fight the power to the p O W E

747
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 4: R and I.

748
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: And I thought to myself, what this is of interest?

749
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: This is? This is? This is she cares, she sees

750
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 2: you know, the distance from where we were and where

751
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: we need to go. Women.

752
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: It's Women's Month. I love powerful women that are unafraid

753
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: to say, hey, get off my neck, get out my space,

754
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: move over here. You know I want my money. I

755
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: love I love all those women that aren't afraid to

756
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: speak about out something that everyone's scared to step on.

757
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

758
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: I just I wish I had the boldness that they have.

759
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: So I do what I can to support them retweet.

760
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: When I see them, I say thank you and they

761
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: say thank you for the music. So I'm doing something.

762
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: It may not be what they're doing.

763
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: Or that's all doing something.

764
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: We're doing something. So when they're there, I support and

765
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 1: I say it out loud so they see my face

766
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: in my eyes, I love you, thank you. And there

767
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: are days I've needed them, I mean on the other

768
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 1: side of the screen. Yes, girls say it please, because

769
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: it's like, is anybody else gonna say that this woman

770
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: is hurt, this woman has been wronged. Is anyone to

771
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: stand up for this woman like we do when it's

772
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 1: the black man? Are we gonna help black? I black women.

773
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: I love black women. I love our are just we

774
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: don't know beings.

775
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: We are the moral conscience of this whole damn country.

776
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: We have their children, we have raised them, we have

777
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 2: stood by our man, and still no one is speaking

778
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 2: for us if we don't speak for ourselves. And it

779
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 2: is so frustrating.

780
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 4: So when you say that, and yes, it is Women's

781
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 4: History Month, but when I talk about the special sauce

782
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 4: that we bring to everything that we do, your music,

783
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 4: which is here, you know, I'm just like we do

784
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 4: it like none other. And with that, I just think

785
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 4: to myself, Okay, I see what she's saying. I feel

786
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 4: what you feel, and you are necessary and you're important.

787
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 4: And I will say this just as a fan. If

788
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 4: you don't feel that, know that there are so many

789
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 4: of us who are thinking that, who have said that,

790
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 4: and who are sending you that energy.

791
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: I've promised you. I feel it all the time, even

792
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: when I just a phone call, but little texts means

793
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: everything to me. There I don't feel the heavy anymore.

794
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,959
Speaker 1: I just remind people the heavy was there. Keep going

795
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: like a little post here and there. But my black

796
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: circle of women, the black women around me, they don't play.

797
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: They cut.

798
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: Girl. They tell you the truth. Hey, true, blah blah blah.

799
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 4: You know.

800
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: I just got off the phone before we talked with

801
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: Queen Anita Baker. She's so proud of me, she had

802
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: to call. I said, you don't have to call. She's like, no, No,

803
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: I need you to know. Listen, I need you to know.

804
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you. You're doing your work. You're

805
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: doing the real work. People are healing people. You're healing,

806
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: and you're saying the things that need to be said.

807
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: You know, somebody needs this today. Is everything coming from

808
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: her because her music.

809
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 4: Man, you know, I ain't even got this step cleaning

810
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 4: up the house on a Saturday. Mama, sweep this carpet

811
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 4: because you can't. You might vacuum a penny, so you

812
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 4: can't use the vacuum.

813
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: So I had to say, oh, you had to sweep.

814
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 2: And tell me. Anita got me through.

815
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 4: And then you didn't do it right, you didn't get

816
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 4: the corners. I I feel it that, I feel it.

817
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 4: No and there's just something special about the black woman

818
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 4: who understands that. It's so great your your latest album, congratulations,

819
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 4: you deserve, you deserve, You deserve. And that has been

820
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 4: my mantra for all my favorite for all my black women, period,

821
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 4: all my.

822
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that to you now now rap out

823
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: of it.

824
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah you deserve.

825
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 4: What do you want when people go out and buy

826
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 4: this album or listen to this album? What do you

827
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 4: want them to to take away if you had, If

828
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 4: you had a message.

829
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: It's about getting through it, just through feel good and

830
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: find the good in every moment of it. Good life

831
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: even when it's chaotic. What what is good about this though?

832
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: What if I learned?

833
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: What can I do better and get through it? The

834
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: message parts, the beautiful parts, and yourself? Love yourself, love

835
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: yourself better than I have a husband. I love him,

836
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: he loves me great. But I gotta love me, you know.

837
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: I gotta like or are you soul?

838
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

839
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: I gotta be constantly loving on myself and giving myself

840
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: time so that I want for anybody, male, female, whatever,

841
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: love yourself as you let us.

842
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: See, we love you as you are. We're letting you go.

843
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 2: Thank you for being so patient and being so kind

844
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 2: with us. Today. We will obviously meet again. I feel

845
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: like I manifest this.

846
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 4: I'm gonna bump into you somewhere and just roll up

847
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 4: on you, and don't be absolutely surprised.

848
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: I'd be loved how comfortable I am.

849
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: Done, did better.

850
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 2: It's gonna be like that. It's gonna be a reunion.

851
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be a family.

852
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: Glad I got to meet you.

853
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 2: I am too. I appreciate you.

854
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 4: You are so fun, you are a blessing. Thank you

855
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 4: so much for coming on naked. You were beautiful and naked,

856
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 4: So thank.

857
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: You, Thank you so much much.

858
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 4: You guys, She's a key key. I may have edited

859
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 4: some of that stuff out, but she is a key key. Like,

860
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 4: we had a really good time and I enjoyed her.

861
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 4: She is a real, real, real woman. What a refreshing

862
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 4: thought to have, right, Like, have you ever met someone

863
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 4: and you walk away feeling, Oh, they're authentic, they're genuine

864
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 4: And in this world it's so rare because we often

865
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 4: feel like we need to perform, and we do right.

866
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 4: We do need to perform a little in our jobs.

867
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 4: We do need to perform a little bit in our lifestyles.

868
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 4: We do need to perform a little bit on social media.

869
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:50,479
Speaker 2: That is the name of the game.

870
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 4: You don't have to play it to a certain extent,

871
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 4: but there is some part of that that comes with

872
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 4: the job. Nowadays, you can't just sit at home and

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Speaker 4: mind your business. Does dagg Internet made it difficult. But

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Speaker 4: it is her eleventh album. It is out today and

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Speaker 4: I need as in listen to it right now, go

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Speaker 4: buy it today as you hear this podcast today and

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Speaker 4: support what she's doing. She's an independent artist. She has freedom,

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Speaker 4: but with that freedom comes more responsibilities. You heard her

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Speaker 4: talk about being an activist for other artists. She's talking

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Speaker 4: about legacy and what it means when people talk about legacy,

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Speaker 4: it's important to know where you've come from and what

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Speaker 4: you're leaving behind, and she does. She does know that

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Speaker 4: she has given credit to Nina Simone has a huge

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Speaker 4: influence on her life. If you're not familiar with Nina Simone,

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Speaker 4: get your education again. Legacy because everything that's happening in

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Speaker 4: our world today with art, with music, with people that

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Speaker 4: you might know and love, there was someone who influenced them,

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Speaker 4: who was doing it exactly the way that they are

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Speaker 4: doing it. Just with the new bound twist of today.

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Speaker 4: Legacy is important and I appreciate. Let us see for

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Speaker 4: being here on Naked Today again. Go out and support

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Speaker 4: this system. We're wrapping it up. I'll be back next

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Speaker 4: week again. Tell some woman you love her. Is Women's

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Speaker 4: History Monk, Give somebody a shout out. Cash at somebody,

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Speaker 4: cash at me, celebrate us, cash out the Naked crew.

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Speaker 4: I'll defend it. I'll send it out to the women

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Speaker 4: that are on. Is Women's History Month. But we're doing

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Speaker 4: Give us a dollar, a Starbucks card.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean. You get what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Have a great day. Talk to y'all soon about