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Speaker 1: Welcome to the official show on the Fish Stripes Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I am Eli Sussman. When I was first mapping out

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Speaker 1: this episode, I was worried there would be enough Miami

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Speaker 1: Marlins news even worth discussing. But a pretty busy Monday,

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Speaker 1: a lot of small storylines, and so the timing is perfect.

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Speaker 1: As it turns out, we're gonna it's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: challenge just to make sure we don't leave anything out

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Speaker 1: among these recent events around the team, the threat of

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Speaker 1: a delayed season, the official ends of the Jordan Yamamoto era,

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Speaker 1: new jobs for a pair of revered baseball industry veterans,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna finish off with our wish list of

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Speaker 1: players for the team to pursue before opening Day. Joining

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Speaker 1: me on the show the ABC's of Fish Stripes Lewis,

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Speaker 1: Addie o Weiss, Ethan Bodowski, and Alex contry Hers. You

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Speaker 1: see a B c Addie o Weiss, Padaski Contraras love

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Speaker 1: how that worked out. Welcome to the show, Fellas.

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 3: He planned it out? He planned it out. The ABC

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Speaker 3: thing has a great mind.

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Speaker 4: He picked he picked it a B in a seed

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Speaker 4: just for for that line.

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Speaker 1: So thank you. All, you guys have been on the

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Speaker 1: pods already this off season, so audience is familiar with you.

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Speaker 1: You know how this works, and we'll try to get

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Speaker 1: through this in a sort of timely manner. Starting with

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Speaker 1: the big picture stuff with the twenty twenty one season

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Speaker 1: and when it's going to begin, at least there's feeling

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's something that a loving anxiety about that

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Speaker 1: all of last year. Potentially just two weeks away from

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Speaker 1: pictures and catchers reporting, that's the plan, that's the way.

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Speaker 1: It seems things like things are leaning in that direction

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Speaker 1: for now. But I mean, just over this past weekend,

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Speaker 1: news broke that MLB the owners have sent over a

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Speaker 1: proposal to the players Association to shorten the season from

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Speaker 1: one to sixty two to one hundred and fifty four games,

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Speaker 1: to condense the season, to give up some off days,

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Speaker 1: play a lot of double headers, and to expand the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: As part of that agreement, it would push back the

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Speaker 1: start of spring trending a full month all the way

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Speaker 1: to March twenty second. It would push back opening day

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Speaker 1: about a month to April twenty eighth, and yeah, just

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of ramifications if they did that. But

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Speaker 1: the way things are set up right now, they don't

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Speaker 1: have the authority to just push this on the league

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Speaker 1: by themselves. They need cooperation from the players Association. The

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Speaker 1: latest info that we have is other players are probably

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Speaker 1: going to reject this proposal. They're probably not even going

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Speaker 1: to negotiate it. They're already like fired up, ready to go,

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Speaker 1: ready to play baseball. They already made their plans, made

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Speaker 1: their arrangements, move their families down to spring training. All that.

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Speaker 1: We're on the part of the calendar where things are

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Speaker 1: supposed to get going. So what do you think is

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Speaker 1: the right move here for how the league should move forward?

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny, for years they've kind of talked

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Speaker 2: at nauseum about making the game more entertaining. I think,

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Speaker 2: obviously the recent higher feew Epstein may do that because Epstein,

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Speaker 2: you know, if you broke the curse of you know,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't really put it pass him to make baseball

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Speaker 2: more entertaining. And honestly, you know what, maybe shortening the

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Speaker 2: season eight games and just for this year as an experiment.

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Speaker 2: The way we kind of saw it work with the

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Speaker 2: universal DH and how everybody seemed to respond positively to that,

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Speaker 2: it wouldn't be a bad thing. If we remember, prior

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Speaker 2: record in nineteen sixty one, they only played one hundred

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Speaker 5: But you know, I don't.

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Speaker 2: Think I think players would probably benefit from a little

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Speaker 2: extra rest. Obviously, this year would be a little bit

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Speaker 2: we've seen in various reports that have come out, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's a crapshoot. Do I think, you know, pushing the

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Speaker 2: season back would benefit us? I don't know. I kind

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Speaker 2: of wish we would just have one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: don't know if that's plausible. Teams really lost a lot

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Speaker 2: the players Union doesn't really favor approving this, because obviously

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Speaker 3: I understand what you're saying, like starting off the season

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Speaker 3: on time, but like, what the hell is everybody thinking?

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Speaker 3: Like why is everybody has to be so greedy? Bro?

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Speaker 3: It's always has to be about politics, right, Why can't

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Speaker 3: these guys just agree with one fifty four right start

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Speaker 3: the season a little bit later. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: it's gonna benefit a lot of people. It benefits myself

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Speaker 3: as an entrepreneur, Like I finished a movie and that

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Speaker 3: I could happen to that, Like amen, that would be

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Speaker 3: great for me. But like I'm just saying that in general,

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Speaker 3: Like I think it would be cool one fifty four,

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Speaker 3: Like it's a it's a good situation, especially for our

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Speaker 3: team as Miami Marlins. Right now, we got two starting

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Speaker 3: third basement, three starting first basements that we want to see.

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Speaker 3: We got Cooper, we got Aggie, and we got Lewin Diaz.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to see that guy take rips. Obviously

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Speaker 3: he's gonna start off in triple A. We got more

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: All that's gonna get delayed a little bit. I don't

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Speaker 3: understand why it's gonna get delayed. I understand when in

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but what I'm trying to say is like

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't understand why we're delaying major League Baseball.

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Speaker 3: In the meantime, you're seeing the Caribbean World Series going on,

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Speaker 3: and you're seeing Team Panama, Team Columbia, Team Dominican, and

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Speaker 3: you've seen all these teams playing right now, Like, why

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Speaker 3: can't major League Baseball get it together? Like maybe we

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Speaker 3: don't have to have fans at the beginning of the season,

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Speaker 3: maybe we have whatever a lower capacity, but let's make

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Speaker 3: it happen. Bro Let's let's leave the Eagles apart. Let's

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Speaker 3: forget about the money, and let's think about the fan base. Well,

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Speaker 3: don't mess with the National League ball. Let the pitcher

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Speaker 3: go in there, let him go and butt. But after

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Speaker 3: you really want to see somebody go up there and

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Speaker 3: take hacks? No way, you want to give those hacks

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Speaker 3: to somebody that deserves them, like a next up and

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think Alex makes a lot of great points there,

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Speaker 4: and I think the biggest one is just how baseball

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Speaker 5: Of can't get out of its own way.

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Speaker 4: And I talked about this on Big Hole Talk with

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Speaker 4: this Hall of Fame class of zero, where it just

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Speaker 3: A major scared, and we had a major scared right

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Speaker 4: And I just think that they just can't get out

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Speaker 4: who wants you know, after seeing how the DH went,

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 4: I mean it's so much more exciting, especially for a

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Speaker 4: right now not knowing how their roster is going to

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Speaker 2: It's like, and why way either? I mean, I've mentioned but.

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Speaker 5: What I've been saying for two years now.

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Speaker 4: When they started the negotiation this year, I said in

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Speaker 4: well just do it now and stick with it so

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Speaker 2: I'm going to use an example.

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Speaker 5: Do you remember a whole episode about that?

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Speaker 3: Remember getting an extra play game? You get an extra

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Speaker 3: play get paid.

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Speaker 2: You remember Stott Cousins into twenty eleven, Buster Posey got

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Speaker 2: tackle the catchural rules called the Buster Posy rule. Right April,

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Speaker 2: late April, early May twenty fifteen, Adam Lane Wright has

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Speaker 2: like once a sub two era and he's batting in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 2: Good hitting picture. I believe he's got ten career home runs,

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Speaker 2: But he tore his achilles. I think it was bunding

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Speaker 2: his achilles. Why when that happened a pitcher who at

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Speaker 2: the time, Wayne Wright was at the peak of his powers,

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Speaker 2: he's a borderline Hall of Famer. And we see Buster

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Speaker 2: Wayne Wright misses an extended younger that season. Why then

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Speaker 4: Baseball teams don't need any reasons to spend less money.

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Speaker 5: You know there, and.

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Speaker 3: Did the Rockies call the Marlins?

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Speaker 3: But Rocky's just trying to make the Cardinals great again.

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Speaker 5: They gave them that the deal of a lifetime.

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Speaker 4: Became this episode became so much more loaded than you

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Speaker 4: kind of turn it around, because I thought he could

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Speaker 4: be a contributor in this rotation, but obviously they see

438
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 4: it differently. So you know, I think to pick up

439
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 4: anything for a guy that you're dfaing is always nice.

440
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 4: And we were talking about it before the show and

441
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 4: Alex used this term lottery ticket, and I like that

442
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 4: a lot for this kid Polanco, you know, he's kind

443
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 4: of he'll be on the edge of this Marlins top thirty.

444
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,199
Speaker 4: I think he'll kind of be a fringe guy, but

445
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 4: you never know, with these international prospects what can happen.

446
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 4: And he had some really good numbers in twenty nineteen

447
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 4: in the DSL. So just first of all, obviously wishing

448
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 4: Games all the best. He was a pleasure, you know,

449
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 4: every all the reporters loved him and said he handled

450
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 4: everything with grace and and he certainly when we talked

451
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 4: to him, Eli was very graceful. So wish him the best,

452
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 4: and obviously, you know, upset to see his Marlin's career.

453
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Speaker 3: And in this way, Yeah, Mani Miyami, I loo Ho

454
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Speaker 3: Jordan Yamamoto.

455
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I love how means goodbye.

456
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Speaker 3: Bye, right, and.

457
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Speaker 4: It means I guess it's one of those ones where

458
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 4: it can play both ways.

459
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Speaker 3: But Google day, man, damn it, you had to make.

460
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Speaker 2: Sure you know. The only thing I'm looking at Yamamoto's

461
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 2: Baseball Reference page, and the only a couple of things

462
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Speaker 2: that may give us cause for concern as to why

463
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Speaker 2: we may regret this later as he had. He did

464
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 2: make fifteen starts twenty nineteen. And while I don't think

465
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 2: he's a pitcher who's going to pitch to six point

466
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 2: two hits for nine innings over the course of thirty starts,

467
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 2: you know, he did have a whip of one one four.

468
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: I mean in a strikeout for nine of nine to four,

469
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 2: so he was striking out more than veteran inning. The

470
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: home run rate was a little concerning for being as

471
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Speaker 2: young as he was at twenty three. The walk rate

472
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 2: for for per nine isn't great, but still, I mean,

473
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 2: a guy who can consistently throw strikes and not walk guys.

474
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 2: You know, his ZRA plus was slightly below the league average.

475
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 2: But I think the biggest thing you're gonna have to

476
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 2: look at is park factors on Baseball Reference, where you

477
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: see how pitchers and hitters benefit from playing in a

478
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 2: particular ballpark in Marlins Park, like City Field, where Yamamoto

479
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 2: is playing, isn't necessarily regarded as the best place for

480
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 2: a pitcher, for an offensive player to really shine unless

481
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 2: you're drunk carlss stint and you just kind of defy notions.

482
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 2: But you know, Yamamoto at best could be a back

483
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: of the rotation starter. We know that Cindergard's not going

484
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 2: to be back until at least June. Could Yamamoto make

485
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: a few starts and hopefully some of those good ones

486
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 2: don't come against us. But you know this, he still

487
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: has a relatively bright future. I'm not going to chalk

488
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 2: up his career as a you know, as being over

489
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: after that one horrendous relief out again Atlanta. You know,

490
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 2: the Mets, you know, made some sneaky good moses off season,

491
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 2: not with their GM hiring. But I think Yamamoto may

492
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 2: work out well for them. You know, I hope he

493
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 2: does well. Let's just hope it's not against us.

494
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 3: All right, man, We'll send you a Mets hat.

495
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I think I got one in here, honestly.

496
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I got my Yamamoto thoughts out of my

497
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: system on a solo pod that's on the same feed

498
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: from a few days ago that I mean, my main

499
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 1: issue with it is the timing of it. I mean,

500
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 1: of course they had to dfa somebody or trade somebody

501
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 1: to make room on the roster. This was the corresponding

502
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: move to bring in Anthony Dass. I just thought that

503
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: entering this season, where for the they are so lacking

504
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: in veteran presences in their rotation that they're going to

505
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: be cycling through so many arms I think in the

506
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: rotation this year, that I thought they owed it to

507
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: themselves as the Marlins to just bring everybody, all the pictures,

508
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 1: all the rotation candidates to spring training at least and

509
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: get some sort of look at them at spring training

510
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: to see who's out of shape, who's actually healthy, who

511
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: brought something new to camp? And at that point, that's

512
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: when you make some of the tough decisions about which

513
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: of these excess fringy pitching candidates to actually move on from.

514
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: So I thought it'd be better if they had made

515
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: a move for one of their outfielders or one of

516
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: their other more we're all less experienced pictures that they

517
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: have in there that I didn't feel he was the

518
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: right guy to go at this particular time. But just

519
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: to finish off on him. A couple of red flags

520
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: with him is I said a lot of positives about

521
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: him on the pod that I did. I really do

522
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Speaker 1: think he's going to be around for quite a while.

523
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Speaker 1: One of the big concerns with him is obviously the

524
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: way that last year went, not just the fact that

525
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: he struggled so much that he seemed to let the

526
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: opportunity slip out of his hands. I mean, he was

527
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 1: a guy that entered summer camp last year as the

528
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: front runner to make the rotation, as the number five

529
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Speaker 1: guy in the rotation, and he got leapfrogged by Laser Hernandez.

530
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: And it's hard to put us in the mindset from

531
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: back then. It feels like forever ago. But it was

532
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: a surprise when he did not make their opening day

533
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: roster last year. And I mean, the organization is usually

534
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 1: pretty They tried not to insult any of their players

535
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: too much publicly, they try to keep that stuff under wraps,

536
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: but they were disappointed with his conditioning. They just said

537
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: he was not ready to physically to be a starting

538
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,479
Speaker 1: pitcher despite doing it for so much of the previous season.

539
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: And obviously once he got into games, we saw that

540
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: his stuff was really deteriorated from what it should be,

541
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: especially his fastball v low, and so that brings up

542
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: some concerns about his work ethic and all that stuff.

543
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: And then also something very particular that I found is

544
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: that the fallback plan for almost all these guys, if

545
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: you're not gonna make it as a starter, we put

546
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: you in the bullpen. If you're gonna be in the bullpen,

547
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: you're throwing out of the stretch. And if you look

548
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: at Yamamoto's numbers when he pitches out of the stretch

549
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: with runners on base, it's it's night and day between

550
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: what he is normally. He's actually really effective pitching out

551
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: of his wind up, but as soon as one guy

552
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: gets on base. This wasn't just last year, but also

553
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: dating back to twenty nineteen, he gives up a lot

554
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: of crooked numbers. Things really snowball on him when he's

555
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: pitching out of the stretch.

556
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 2: And then, I mean, when you're when the average fastball

557
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: velocity is ninety two point eight or ninety three point

558
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 2: one miles an hour, if you're averaging ninety point three

559
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: miles an hour, unless you're Zach Granke or Clayton Kershar

560
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: Kyle Hendricks, you're not gonna, you know, when you're not

561
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: commanding the ball the way he didn't in twenty twenty,

562
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 2: you're obviously gonna run into problems. Personally, I think he,

563
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 2: like you said, Eli, I think he deserved another shot,

564
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 2: and I hate to continue to beat a dead horse,

565
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 2: but I think if we were gonna designate anybody for assignment,

566
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: I think Lewis Brinton would have been the guy that

567
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 2: would have made more sense. He's never had a season

568
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 2: of being average offensively. The defense we know is good

569
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: in seven games, you know in center field lest year,

570
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 2: five defensive runts saved, Like that's not sustainable over a

571
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: full season. But the guy can play defense. He just

572
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 2: he's kind of like one of these He's like Billy Hamilton.

573
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: Where Billy Hamilton's skill was speed. Brinson has somewhat decent

574
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 2: ability to hit for power, but he just doesn't hit

575
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: enough to be able to sustain it at a major

576
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,719
Speaker 2: league level. And I know that a lot of our

577
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: eternal outfield options aren't ready. I think Monte Harrison though,

578
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: could have been a serviceable backup. But without a DH,

579
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: we're gonna have to put Garrett Cooper out there.

580
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: Who's there's no way you're gonna put Gary Cooper out there.

581
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: Man, You're gonna have to put him in right field

582
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: if you want both of those bats in the lineup. Though.

583
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 3: That's the thing. That's how you and I think if

584
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 3: we're gonna play MLB the show. But like if you're

585
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: playing like the whole Major League Baseball season, it's not

586
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 3: gonna happen. Like if you and me were the which

587
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 3: we're not. Don Mattingly is not gonna put Gary Cooper

588
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 3: out in the right field. He's too injury prone. Like

589
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 3: it's crazy, right, but it's not gonna happen, like wow,

590
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 3: and like and like no disrespect, but like I feel

591
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: you where you're coming from with like Louis Brinston. Maybe

592
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 3: that's the guy you pick, but why would you come

593
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 3: at him? Like I'm not surprised that the Marlins came

594
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: and paid Jordan Yamamoto. Like the Marlins have the luxury,

595
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: and that luxury is pitching. Like you got death on

596
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 3: death on deaf on that pitching like all across the organization.

597
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 3: So you got to give Lewis Brinton all the opportunities possible.

598
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 3: I mean you traded Christian Yelich for him.

599
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like Yamamoto though he was

600
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: in that trade.

601
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean you got East and Diaz, you

602
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 3: got a whole bunch of other players. Like it's about

603
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 3: Winston Losses. Like if you look at your franchise, you

604
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: look at your franchise, you gotta be like, all right,

605
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 3: what do I have a luxury of? Right now? I

606
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 3: got a luxury of pitching? Right now, I got a

607
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 3: luxury of outfielders. Like right now, I don't know what

608
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: the hell my outfielder is going to do, but I

609
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 3: do know that I got some pitching. Like you know

610
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like, look at all these guys that

611
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: have been in the Martins organization where they're at now,

612
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 3: Trevor Richards, you know what I'm saying, Zach Gallen, all

613
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 3: these other guys that are all across a major league baseball.

614
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with Alex here. I just kind of

615
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 5: think that Yams was just kind of the odd guy out.

616
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 4: You know, you look at at what the Marlins have,

617
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 4: and they've got a bunch of pitchers, and they've got

618
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 4: a bunch of young arms, and you look at it

619
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Speaker 4: and you say, Okay, which one is expandable. And I

620
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 4: kind of think that, you know, a lot of the

621
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 4: other guys have some trade value, and obviously the Marlins

622
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 4: got you know, a little piece here, but you know,

623
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 4: I don't think that you're gonna give up. You know

624
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 4: that a guy like an Eliezer, one of these guys

625
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 4: on down the line, is the guy that you're gonna

626
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 4: move on from. So I think that he just kind

627
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 4: of it was just kind of the luck of the draw.

628
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 4: And there were so limited on major league outfield options

629
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Speaker 4: right now that, yeah, I'm not sure you can let

630
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 4: a mont you know, a lou Brinton walk, especially after

631
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 4: what we saw with his improvements against lefties last year.

632
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 4: So I just think it was kind of the odd

633
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 4: man out and it happened to be Yams and and

634
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 4: you know, and it's unfortunate for you know, a lot

635
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 4: of reasons. But I just kind of think that it's

636
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 4: how the cards fell.

637
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,239
Speaker 3: And it is what it is, man, it is what

638
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 3: it is, all right?

639
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: Before we move on, Ethan, do you want to add

640
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: anything on the little piece they got back on mister

641
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: Polanco and we know him so far.

642
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 5: Oh, kind of tough to find.

643
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 4: But basically the scouting report is you know, one of

644
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 4: these contact oriented shortstops. You know, he's nineteen years old

645
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 4: from the Dominican Republic, so he's an international signing of

646
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 4: the Mets.

647
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 5: It seems like a speed guy. He's still seven.

648
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 4: He's got eighteen stolen bases, sorry, twenty one stolen bases

649
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 4: in his career so far. He had seven and forty

650
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 4: one games in the DSL and and this really good

651
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 4: year he had, he had he hit three point thirty

652
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Speaker 4: one with a four to fourteen OBP, four seventy two

653
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 4: slugging a one forty six wait rags runs created plus

654
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 4: that's without hitting a home run. The guy hit thirteen

655
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 4: doubles and five triples in twenty nineteen, So it seems

656
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 4: like if the ball gets in the gap, he's a

657
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 4: real threat with his legs. So he's a left handed shorts,

658
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 4: left handed hitting shortstop. And he'll be twenty next at

659
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 4: the end of next month. So yeah, like like Alex,

660
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 4: you know, like I said, Alex, put the nail on

661
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 4: the head. I think it's your your DF and a

662
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 4: guy that is expandable and you get a lottery ticket.

663
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: Out of it.

664
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Speaker 4: And if he you know, he's somebody to keep an

665
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 4: eye on, and if he really pans out, he really

666
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 4: pans out. But it seems like it's really just a

667
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 4: speed and contact guy.

668
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 3: Right here, I'm if I'm the Miami Marlins, and I'm

669
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: Kim Mang Kim.

670
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 2: I know you listening.

671
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 3: Shout out to Kim. Hey uh man. There's so many

672
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,719
Speaker 3: starting pictures out in the free edging market. And starting

673
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 3: pictures I'm not talking about like rookies. I'm talking about

674
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 3: like vets, like yo. There's eleven names that come across

675
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 3: my mind. Eleven names, right, eleven.

676
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: She's one guy, She's one guy that you really want.

677
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: It would be.

678
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: Cool, It would be cool if we can scoop up,

679
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 3: like right now, who's the one guy right now in

680
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 3: the free agent market that nobody scooped up that he's

681
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 3: expecting a big deal and he hasn't had it yet.

682
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 3: Who is it?

683
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 4: So?

684
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna get a big deal, But

685
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: two years is an out of the realm of possibility.

686
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: But I think the adjustments that Trevor Rosenthal has made

687
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 2: in the last couple of seasons, I for a bullpen

688
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:44,719
Speaker 2: that doesn't have a lost name. And I see you're

689
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: nodding your head.

690
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: You weren't close with the Trevor, but you were wrong

691
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 3: with the last name.

692
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: I don't think we're gonna get Bower.

693
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 3: Why not if you're gonna throw if he's not gonna

694
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 3: get that five year contract.

695
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 4: Contract we didn't pay for pull, I mean, like, hey,

696
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 4: I know, I.

697
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 3: Know it sounds like a fantasy or whatever, but like

698
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: if he could get it for one year, because he

699
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 3: can't get that that mega contract that he wants, he

700
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 3: can't get a four year contract, five year contract, whatever

701
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: he wants, maybe we can capitalize and get a one

702
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 3: year contract and.

703
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 2: Get a veteran like Cole Hammils who's not gonna be expensive.

704
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: I understand he hasn't been healthy for.

705
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 3: What for what that's like getting Jamie Moyer at the

706
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,919
Speaker 3: end of his career. They're gonna raak off of him.

707
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 4: I mean I'd rather I'd rather that if you want to,

708
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 4: if we're gonna have a carryover guy before you know,

709
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 4: the younger guys get here, I'd rather it be like

710
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 4: a cheap vet rather than playing big and coughing it

711
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 4: up for a guy like like Bauer.

712
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 3: And That's where I'm going with this list. I know

713
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 3: I said, eleven players we've done with, We've done with

714
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 3: Trevor Bower. I'm gonna go to the other Vets unless

715
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 3: you guys pick like a quick You know what I'm

716
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 3: saying Like this is that you know what I'm saying, Uh,

717
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 3: Jake Odorezzi, Would you take it?

718
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: That's the guy I had written down myself. He's coming

719
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: off a LOS year with some freak injuries. Before that

720
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: back to back bounce, he's been really steady. He's got

721
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: one of the nastiest splitters in baseball. He's really data

722
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: driven guy that's also good at communicating with younger pitchers

723
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: as well, coming over to young staff and being able

724
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: to to spend some knowledge about how to design your

725
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: own pitches, about how to make your whole pitch mix

726
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: work together. I don't realistically, I don't think it's gonna

727
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 1: happen because I think that there's gonna be enough interested

728
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: teams that he'll be able to get a multi year,

729
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: guaranteed deal and the Marlins are just looking for that

730
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: stop gap, that one year type of guy. But he

731
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: was a specific name that I had written down.

732
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: For sure, a big stock. But there's so many guys though,

733
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 2: I mean, we can go Jeff some margin.

734
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 3: I got nine more guys on the list.

735
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 2: On the list coal fires, I mean, Brett Anderson, I got.

736
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 6: Hey, let me finish the list real quick, James Paxson,

737
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 6: Great Porcello Sanchez, Jay Carrietta, Carlos Rondon, Chris Archer, williet

738
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 6: taran Tejuan Walker, Tyson Ross.

739
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 3: That's what I got. Those are guys that I would like,

740
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 3: will the dice on.

741
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: I think Mike Leak would actually make a lot of

742
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: sense too. He doesn't throw hard, but he's a ground

743
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: ball picture in our defense. You know, ag Yar's not

744
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: Albert Poohols in his prime at first base, but Rojas

745
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: is a solid defender at short I'm pretty sure if

746
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: Jazz Chisholm gets a lot of the time at second base,

747
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: because Diaz I still think needs some seasoning. And you

748
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: have Ryan Ernston a third, A guy like Leak who

749
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 2: induces a lot of ground balls could benefit from a

750
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 2: big ballpark in a relatively solid defensive infield. I mean,

751
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: why aren't we mentioning Chase Anderson. I'm surprised nobody signed

752
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 2: Chase Anderson. I think Chase Anderson is a solid number

753
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: three or four starter. Jilgan ZoZ from Hyalia. I'm not

754
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 2: sure why we never entertained the idea of bringing him on.

755
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: I know these aren't guys who light up the radars.

756
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: What I mean, Gonzales can kind of be your swing man,

757
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: but even then, for a starting rotation where you know,

758
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: we know three spots are going to be filled, to

759
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: have some form of certainty. Also, I mean, I know

760
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 2: division familiarity isn't like the biggest thing, but Gonzales had

761
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: some of the best years of his career with the Nationals.

762
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: Why not bring him back to a place he know,

763
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 2: a division that he knows. He also has a career too.

764
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: I believe his career or a Marlins Park is two

765
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: eighty four and like seventy plus innings pitch. He's pitched

766
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: relatively well here, so why not. I mean, there's a

767
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: myriad of guys. I'm surprised Ang isn't doing what she

768
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 2: normally does. Archer is from Florida. I mean, he pitched

769
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 2: in Florida for a long time, so there's that, But

770
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: he also hasn't been a quality starter for a while.

771
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: I would love Taiwan. Walker actually wrote a piece back

772
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 2: in December where I thought it would take two years

773
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: to sign him because he had a solid season in

774
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, although a lot of the peripherals suggests that

775
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: he got very lucky, especially with a fit being your

776
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: five and you know the grease users of a slider

777
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: helped them a lot. But I mean, there's like you said, Alex,

778
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 2: there's a million guys. I think that can make sense

779
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: for us. It's just a matter of a kind of

780
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: opening up the check book a little bit and Jeter

781
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 2: and Sherman saying, okay, like get us a stopgup. We

782
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: need a veteran in that rotation who could kind of

783
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: mentor these young guys. We don't really have that.

784
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, her tone was a little concerning to me in

785
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: the most recent press conference when it came to that

786
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: particular topic. She was pretty adamant that they are going

787
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: to get some sort of reliever to add to this

788
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: mix before it's all said and done. But it definitely

789
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: seems like they were leaning towards with the all homegrown

790
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: rotation and that if there was gonna be anybody adding

791
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: to that mix, it'd be someone on a minor league

792
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: deal and non roster invite. The problem is, as we've

793
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: seen the cross baseball this offseason. If you're a starting pitcher,

794
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: you're getting paid really well, almost all of them. And

795
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: that goes back to Yamamoto why he had some sort

796
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: of trade value even though he's not even the guy

797
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: that you see as an opening day top five starter

798
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: on any team, even if you're a number six, number

799
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: seven starter, those guys seem to have value heading into

800
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: a year where it feels like teams are going to

801
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: cycle through more pitchers than ever before.

802
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: Depth I mean, yeah, I mean a lot of the

803
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 2: guys on the market aren't hard throwers. Arietta. I believe

804
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 2: he's having a showcase this week. The Cubs are reportedly attending.

805
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 2: I'm sure the Marlins will send somebody out there. You know,

806
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: he pitched for the Phillies for a couple of years,

807
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 2: you know, the National Leagueese. He doesn't necessarily like he

808
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: didn't live up to the seventy five million that he

809
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 2: made while pitching for Philly. But I mean it's you know,

810
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 2: it's never a bad idea. There's no bad one year deal.

811
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 5: He's a good guy.

812
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 3: He's a good guy for the young guys to pick.

813
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: I'm saying, like you said on the bench with him,

814
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 3: you're talking to some like smack with him, like, hey,

815
00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 3: what are you doing in this situation?

816
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 2: Boom?

817
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 3: This guy just hit a home run after you. Maybe

818
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 3: he tells you to plunk him. You know what I'm saying,

819
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 3: You don't you know what I mean, You don't know

820
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 3: what he's gonna say. He gives you, He gives you

821
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 3: that experience, Like you know what I'm saying. This is

822
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 3: a guy that's had over one hundred wins what I

823
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 3: don't know how many winds he's had a major League

824
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:21,479
Speaker 3: baseball career victory, Yeah, for sure, and like a young winner. Yeah.

825
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 3: Like if they told you Jake Ariotta, or they told

826
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 3: you mac Sure's just available, or Kershaw or Blump Corner

827
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 3: or anybody like from the old like generation is available

828
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 3: that they'll tell you, Hey, you want to bring them

829
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 3: a board. If it's you and me, if it's Jeffrey Laurier, whoever,

830
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: somebody crazy like that, they're gonna bring him a board.

831
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 3: George Steinbrenner. But like these marlins, like we're on the fence.

832
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 3: These marlins tell us that hey, we want to go,

833
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 3: we want to go for it, we want to go

834
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 3: for the playoffs. But at the same time, like we

835
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 3: want to give opportunities to the young guys, but at

836
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: the same time we got vets blocking them, so it's

837
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 3: like complicated. We're on the fence.

838
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: I'd give Kshaw one hundred million just to sit next

839
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 2: to me. I mean, I'm wearing my all start.

840
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 3: A hundred million, man, I got something else we can

841
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: invest in.

842
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: But I mean, you made a good point, Alex. There's

843
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 2: a lot of quality starting pitchers on the market. I

844
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: do kind of agree that we kind of have to

845
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: go to nineteen seventy one Baltimore Orioles here and have

846
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: a homegrown rotation. Now that we're gonna have four twenty

847
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: game winners this year, because I don't even know if

848
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 2: we're gonna win seventy five.

849
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 3: I made two thousand Marlins. You don't even have to

850
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: go that far back. Remember the rotation we had with

851
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 3: was it Ricky Alaska, Scott Olsen, Donto Willis, who was

852
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 3: on that road to NFL sans Josh Johnson. All those

853
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 3: guys had over ten wins, So we don't even have

854
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: to go that far back.

855
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: Gorially, Mike fires is a Deerfield Beach guy. He went

856
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: to Deerfield Beach high school. I know he's kind of

857
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: got like some very polarizing history with the Marlins, but

858
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 2: he's a good major league pitcher and he you know,

859
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 2: he's a whistleblower too.

860
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 3: I just feel like like, I just feel like the

861
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 3: the manager that we had back then with Joe Girardi,

862
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 3: and Girardi was like, Yo, here's the car, the keys

863
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 3: of the car, and make it having rock and roll kids.

864
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 3: You know right now, Maddeningly tries to care too much

865
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 3: about our guys, you know what I'm saying. He tries

866
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 3: to protect them and he doesn't stretch him out. And

867
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 3: sometimes we're like beefing and maddening he'say, yo, stretch him

868
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 3: out for a couple more years. But who the hell

869
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 3: are we to tell him what to do with He

870
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 3: was the manager of the year.

871
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: Girardi's always got the most out of everything that he

872
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: that he had on his Roster's twenty thirteen Yankees, you

873
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 2: signed Luis Cruz to play third base, You win that game.

874
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we we kind of have gotten

875
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: away from that with our managers. I'm not to say

876
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: that Manningly's done a bad job. I mean, he's the

877
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 2: guy that brought the Marlins back to the playoffs. So

878
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: I'm he if I ever own a restaurant, he's not

879
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: paying for the meal that he's coming in to buy,

880
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: so you know, you know he he did wonders for.

881
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 3: Us, But.

882
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. Now I'm gonna go fall asleep tonight

883
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 2: thinking about what's starting Pitcher. I'm eventually gonna get a

884
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 2: notification about that we signed, because I genuinely wish we

885
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: would do that, so.

886
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 3: I know, real quick man, for those people that play

887
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 3: video games. I was looking at MLB the show, and

888
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 3: it's kind of crazy. I was looking at the starting

889
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 3: rotation for the Marlins, right, the guys on the starting

890
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 3: rotation six, so Sanchez, Sandy, Pablo, the though Trevor Rogers,

891
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 3: all right, who do you guys think has the highest

892
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 3: overall rating?

893
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 5: That for effect, he's the only goal in that rotation?

894
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 3: What about who do you guys like?

895
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 2: All right?

896
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 3: Six though?

897
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: Right?

898
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 3: Besides six though, eliminate six though. Let's say we're in

899
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 3: six to rookie year, because right now it's updated the

900
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 3: Keys of.

901
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: The Monster, Pablo Lopez.

902
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 3: That's crazy. I was looking at that and I thought

903
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 3: it was it should have been Sandy Sandy's overall Rany

904
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 3: Overall Rady was eighty two. Sandy al Contra eighty two.

905
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 3: Pablo lope Is eighty seven. Pablito's my guy. He's a painter,

906
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 3: he's a man. He's paying the corners and everything. But damn,

907
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 3: come on, bro, Sandy was All Star player.

908
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 5: Nice to see him get the recognition that he deserves. Man,

909
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 5: he's been he's been bawling for a long time.

910
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying no about Pablo. What I'm saying is, Damn,

911
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 3: Sandy's in eighty two.

912
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 2: Because it's probably because when you look at the stuff,

913
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: he's like a better Henderson Alvarez. He just doesn't miss

914
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: bats for as hard as he throws, and you expect,

915
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 2: especially in this day and age, for a guy who can.

916
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: He's literally Zach Britton with stamina where you can throw

917
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 2: a ninety seven mile an hour sinker up there, sometimes

918
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 2: ninety eight to one hundred, but yet you continuously don't

919
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 2: miss bats. And that's not a knack against him. I mean,

920
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 2: when he lost fourteen games and still made the All

921
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: Star team that year, I remember, I think he threw

922
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: something like two or three shutouts that season. I mean,

923
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 2: we saw like like I'm sure, I'm pretty sure. Like

924
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: the first podcast you and me had with Eli Alex,

925
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 2: we discussed the idea of him being somebody that could

926
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 2: be a viable extension candidate. But you know, he's not

927
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: a ninety nine overall or at least a little bit

928
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: high because, like I said, he just doesn't miss bats

929
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 2: and that could change that and it changed a small

930
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: bit in in twenty twenty, but Pablo Lopez had a

931
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: nine point three case for nine. So you know, right now,

932
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 2: at least for now, until Alkantara puts together a full

933
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: season where he gets more run support and maybe he

934
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 2: misses a little bit more bats, I have no problem

935
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 2: with Pablo Lopez being rated a little bit higher than

936
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 2: al Kantara. There's he's not to say he's more of

937
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 2: a short thing, but you know they're going off of

938
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 2: last year.

939
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 3: Real quibif I you know what I'm saying. We keep

940
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 3: going quick message to the front office, shout out to

941
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 3: Kim in and this little segment is a little message

942
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 3: saying from all the same all the fan base saying,

943
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 3: come in resign Brian Andison, come in sign it free

944
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 3: agent Kim An make a trade for contreres come, keep

945
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 3: bolstering the rotation and command, let's keep making them more

946
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 3: lands A good tande please command.

947
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: I think she wants to just needs cooperation from ownership too.

948
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: I mean she's been hitting at this too during all

949
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: for Zoom pressers is that they're looking for deals. They

950
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: just they didn't find the right deal, which usually means

951
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: that a certain price that the player was asking for.

952
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: It's not her money, it's ownership's money. It's Bruce Sherman's,

953
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of Derek Cheeters, mostly Bruce Sherman's money.

954
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: That they've been I'm sure they've been in contact with

955
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 1: like a lot of these players and we've seen them

956
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: linked in legitimate trade rumors with Wilson Contras and for

957
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: Andrew Benintendi, guys that make a decent deal of money

958
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: for this coming year. Guys that makes six million plus

959
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: money for this coming year. But I imagine that, I

960
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: mean one of the big factors, one of the holdups

961
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: is that you do need that ownership consent if you're

962
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: going to move forward with these type of signings.

963
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 7: We've looked on the free agent market as well, so

964
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 7: we we've laid a lot of groundwork yeah. I think

965
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 7: you know as you go through this, and I think

966
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 7: you know you always want to get better, obviously, but

967
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 7: you also come to a point where you have to

968
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 7: weigh what helps in the present versus what makes sense

969
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 7: in the future. You know, right now we haven't found

970
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 7: that right deal yet, but feel perfectly comfortable if you know,

971
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 7: we go into spring training and there's a competition for

972
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 7: that last spot in the outfield.

973
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to finish on a positive note. Two guys

974
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: are really happy for that on the same day announcing

975
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: that new gigs side gigs for both of them. Michael Hill,

976
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 1: a long time president of baseball operations for the Marlins.

977
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: I guess the predecessor, Kim Eng's predecessor somewhat leading the

978
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: Marlins front office. Staying in baseball. I mean, it was

979
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: really frustrating for some people to see him strikeout when

980
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: the Phillies had an open job, when the Mets had

981
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: an open job, the Angels had an open job. So

982
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: he's not going with the team, but he's been hired

983
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: by Major League Baseball. He's gonna be one of their vps,

984
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: in charge of umpiring, in charge of discipline at the

985
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: Major League and Minor league level. It's pretty cool for him.

986
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: I mean, someone he's a baseball lifer in the truest sense.

987
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: He played the game, went to scouting, joined the front office,

988
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: and now going to the commissioner's office. One of the

989
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 1: high ranking officials there announces there's actually a big wave

990
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 1: of guys that's just got hired for this coming season.

991
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: But he's gonna be a pretty public guy for us

992
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 1: this upcoming year. You're gonna hear a lot about him,

993
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: but you don't have to worry about competing against him

994
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: with one of the rival teams in the division. And then,

995
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: of course to Craig Mish, who's been one of the

996
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: great reporters on the Marlins for forever and especially these

997
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: past few years, just incredible at breaking news and putting

998
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: that news into context in addition to the stuff he

999
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: already does. Now a senior contributor for the Miami Herald,

1000
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: he's gonna be writing a little bit some columns on

1001
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 1: their side and in their paper, as well as doing

1002
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: podcasts over there. So, I mean, both of these guys,

1003
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 1: congrats to both of them.

1004
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm really really really happy for Mike Hill that

1005
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 4: he got such a big job and seeing his name

1006
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 4: near Raj Davis's as a as a Cubs fan as well,

1007
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 4: really kind of scared me with just Raj Davis just

1008
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 4: gives me nightmares of the eighth inning of Game seven.

1009
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 4: But I'm super happy for Mike Hill and obviously for

1010
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 4: Miss as well, you know, kind of moving up in

1011
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 4: the world to me whenever I see something with Miss,

1012
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 4: you know, in terms of these off season rumors that

1013
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 4: we've been talking about with contreres been and Tendee and deals.

1014
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 4: You know, his word is kind of scripture for me

1015
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 4: when it comes to the Marlins. So obviously it was

1016
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 4: time for you know, a big, big paper or you know,

1017
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 4: news source in Miami to pick him up, pick him up.

1018
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 4: And I'm happy that the Harold did and him and

1019
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 4: Barry and Jordan, you know, make a great team. So

1020
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 4: I'm really happy for both of those guys. I think

1021
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 4: they both got really great jobs and very well deserved.

1022
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 3: Shout out to Mike kill Man, Hey, man Fred, damn

1023
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 3: bro what is he two for two after being like

1024
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 3: two for a hundred. You know what I'm saying? He

1025
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 3: had Ken Griffin, I's got Mike Hill. Congrat to Mike

1026
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 3: kill Why not.

1027
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: You said what you hired THEO two, so I give

1028
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 2: him three for one oh one.

1029
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you can't forget about all the bs that

1030
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 3: he left behind.

1031
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:44,959
Speaker 6: He left he slapstake the ashos and don't get me started.

1032
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 3: And uh anyway, Uh so, Mike Hill, congrats to Mike

1033
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 3: Kill and Miss stug Hey, congratamates two.

1034
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, Craig Misses seemingly other than Joe Ursorrow. Whenever the

1035
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 2: Marlins rarely made a free agent signing, I got to

1036
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 2: see Craig Misha's name pop up as the one reporting it,

1037
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 2: so I thought that was kind of cool. And you know,

1038
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 2: I love watching him on IMB network. Two. I believe

1039
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: he's our MLB network correspondent, so it's always good to

1040
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 2: see him. And you know, I'll be looking forward to

1041
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 2: reading what he puts out with The Herald because he

1042
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:16,479
Speaker 2: always does quality work.

1043
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 5: Hey.

1044
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 3: Shout out to Christina di Nicola.

1045
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, for anybody that missed that, we had her on

1046
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: the pod a few weeks ago with me and Alex

1047
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: a long episode just like this one pretty long episode

1048
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: as well. I believe the first joint podcast that Miss

1049
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: is doing with the Harald, they calling that fish Bites.

1050
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: That's gonna be out also on the same day that

1051
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: this episode is out, so hopefully he listens to this

1052
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: episode first, but I wouldn't be. We won't blame you

1053
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: either way. As long as you listen to all of

1054
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: our stuff on your favorite podcast app or wherever you

1055
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: normally get your pods, we appreciate everybody that listens in

1056
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: Out of Big Talk.

1057
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 4: Just want to give me myself a shameless plug on

1058
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 4: this same podcast stream got my ballot breakdown reaction to

1059
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 4: all the news about the Hall of Fame ballot, and

1060
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 4: we're gonna have plenty of content coming up with that too,

1061
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 4: So you know, listen to every fish Stripes podcast.

1062
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 2: Shout out one of the Fods man, those sounds. I

1063
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 2: love Hall of Fame chatter.

1064
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 5: Trying trying to find out all kinds of content out there.

1065
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 3: Hey, shout out to Jeremy Tagh too, man. And Jeremy

1066
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 3: Tagh turned up with the Fox Spoids Florida. He's gonna

1067
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 3: turn into Bally Spoids all that. You know what I'm saying.

1068
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 3: And Ethan, yo, don't get me started at you, but

1069
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 3: to the next episode. What the hell, bro, how did

1070
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 3: we not get somebody to Hall of Fame this year?

1071
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 3: And we better get Barry and Roger and Gerry and

1072
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 3: the next one.

1073
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 5: To the Music.

1074
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame talk. I just wanted to say, if

1075
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 2: you didn't already on fish Strikes, if you're listening, give

1076
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: a read to my latest piece on what this year's

1077
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame ballot kind of or results kind of

1078
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: talk us about where we're kind of going with the voting,

1079
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Speaker 2: because I think more than ever, you know, I think

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Speaker 2: things have started to change and we're starting to evaluate

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Speaker 2: what people are doing off the field rather than on

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Speaker 2: field performance as well. So give that a read on

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Speaker 2: fish Stripes as well. I put that piece out yesterday

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Speaker 2: and I think it's something you guys will enjoy, especially

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Speaker 2: if you you, Ethan or anybody else enjoy your Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame conversations absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And Ethan, who who's that next guy coming up on

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Speaker 1: big Hall talk that you're going to dive into? Is

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Speaker 1: it Sheffield?

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Speaker 4: So yeah, so let me just check and make sure.

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Speaker 4: But the result that was dominating really from you guys.

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Speaker 4: You know, I put a pull up asking who people

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Speaker 4: wanted to hear, and obviously my account is pretty Marlin's oriented.

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Speaker 4: So Gary Sheffield will be next. He won with forty

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Speaker 4: seven percent, and then Andrew Jones was next, so I

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Speaker 4: guess I can just kind of go in order here,

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Speaker 4: but it'll be Sheffield and then and Andrew Jones. Billy

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Speaker 4: Wagner roll in, but haven't really decided about the schedule

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Speaker 4: for that yet. But Gary Sheffield will be the next.

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Speaker 4: And first case that will be really taking a deep

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Speaker 4: dive into will be Marlin Legend, who we all hope

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Speaker 4: would be the first Marlin to you know, first guy

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Speaker 4: to where Marlin's had into the Hall of Fame and

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Speaker 4: could be our best shot for a long long time.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, we'll be looking into Gary Sheffield's Hall of

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Speaker 5: Fame case.

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Speaker 2: You should use this in your evaluation of him. I

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Speaker 2: was looking at this last night. I was looking over

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00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 2: the past Hall of Fame voting results and Edgar Martinez, who,

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Speaker 2: while he doesn't have a cloud of steroids surrounding him,

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Speaker 2: his seventh year on the ballot, as this was sheffield

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Speaker 2: seventh year in the ballot, he finished with forty three

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Speaker 2: point four percent, and we know he wound up getting in,

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Speaker 2: I believe, on his ninth ballot, So that may bode

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Speaker 2: well for Sheffield because Sheffield, I really finished with forty

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Speaker 2: point six percent of the vote. Yeah, this year with

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Speaker 2: the ballet class, I mean a Rod and Orti's come

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00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: in the ballot next year. If you want to talk

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00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 2: about what a weird stage that would be. Can you

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Speaker 2: imagine a Hall of Fame day in twenty twenty two

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Speaker 2: with Kurt Schilling, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Alex Rodriguez, and

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Speaker 2: David Ortiz.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't think a Rod's getting in first ballot,

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Speaker 4: but it's you won't.

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Speaker 2: But you know, if him and Jennifer Lopez continue to

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Speaker 2: appear at inaugurations and Super Bowls and stuff, he may

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Speaker 2: continue to further that repair reputation that at one time

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Speaker 2: I thought was forever damaged. So we'll see though, But yeah,

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Speaker 2: hopefully Sheffield gets in at some point because steroids are not.

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Speaker 2: The dude is one of the greatest right handed hitters

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Speaker 2: of all time.

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Speaker 3: It's some bullshit. It's some bullshit. If ayro gets seen

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Speaker 3: before Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, yeah, that's one Hondo.

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Speaker 2: Barry Bonds is still the greatest hitter I've ever seen.

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Speaker 3: This title. Disrespect bro, What a spit in the face

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00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 3: of all baseball fans, writers associations. How good you know?

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00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 3: You guys are legitimate or nine? Like, how is the

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00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 3: best player of all time in the Hall of Fame?

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00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 3: Why did you? Clem It's not in the Hall of Fame? Dude,

1141
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 3: this is crazy. How is Sammy Soulsa not in the

1142
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame? Like we already like throw dirt at

1143
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 3: the Cubs, like damn bro like MLB it's all MLB's fault.

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00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 3: Rob Manfred I was even surprised.

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00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 2: On the Hall of Fame. There's a million guys that

1146
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 2: you can talk about that with. I don't know, Cap,

1147
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:25,919
Speaker 2: That's a conversation for another day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and I guess while we're on the topic,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna wrap this up now. All right, we're closing

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Speaker 1: pretty soon on what's gonna be the twenty twenty one

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Speaker 1: class of the fish Strip Smarlans Hall of Fame. I

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Speaker 1: launched that project a year ago, right after the quarantine,

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Speaker 1: right after this.

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Speaker 3: God, so you left them out last year, Dad, Last last.

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Speaker 1: Year we elected on me think of the number, I

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Speaker 1: think it was sixteen people with six players. I'll put

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Speaker 1: this on the Website's remind everybody exactly what the first

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Speaker 1: class was in twenty twenty. There's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: We elected a lot of non players as well. That

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Speaker 1: was a project I was thinking of doing this year

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00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: during spring training. Last year. We did it in like

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Speaker 1: March and April this year, moving it up a little

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Speaker 1: to get it out of the way before the real

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Speaker 1: season starts. But that stuff's coming up soon. I haven't

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Speaker 1: set the final dates for that. That's coming up soon

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00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: to get everybody involved so that you don't have to

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Speaker 1: wait a full year for the National Baseball Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame conversation to kick back up again. But yeah, in

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Speaker 1: the meantime, we had big call talk from Ethan from

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Speaker 1: this episode with Lewis, Addie o Weiss, Ethan Badowski, and

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Speaker 1: Al Contreras. Eli Sussman. Thank you for sticking with us,

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Speaker 1: stick with us leading up to the start of this season,

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Speaker 1: and we'll keep you posted and have more content for

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Speaker 1: you coming up soon on the podfeed, on website, on

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Speaker 1: social media. Thank you so much. As always, Go Fitch.