1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Beyond the Beauty is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: I'm your host Bobby Brown. Style to me is different 3 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: than trends, different than fashion. Fashion is a whole another thing. 4 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: I've worked with many stylists in my career, both behind 5 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: the scenes at fashion shoots and on brand shoots. I've 6 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: had different stylists in my closets. Why I keep going 7 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: back to Deb Watson is not just that she is 8 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: so talented, so funny, but she is really honest, really truthful, 9 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: and she kind of yells at me for wearing the 10 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: same clogs. Deb Watson started her fashion career working at 11 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: Ralph Laurence. She was there for eleven years. When she 12 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: left Ralph Florence, she became a freelance stylist. She has 13 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: literally worked with every buddy from top photographers two actresses campaigns. 14 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: She has dressed everyone from Emily Ratikowski to Taylor Hill, 15 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: to Robert Pattinson to Dakota Fanning to Jessica Bielle. I mean, 16 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: she's worked with everybody. She's really talented. She has a 17 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: very cool style. She can look at your body and 18 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: know that a certain style will elongate it, or a 19 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: certain style will hide something. Here's my conversation with Deborah Watson. 20 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: First of all, there's no camera here, but I wish 21 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: people could see how cool you look, so I will 22 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: describe it. Deborah Watson is wearing a red sweater. It's 23 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: how do you describe the It's kind of like a 24 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: Teddy Bear? Yeah? Is it chanel? Okay, there's two bigs. 25 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: Of course, there's two big ccs on it, and it 26 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: looks like a Teddy Bear sweater that only someone how 27 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: tall are you? Eleven? Five eleven could get away with? 28 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: And she is wearing vegan leather. You're not vegan, no, 29 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: but my pants are pants vegetarian vegetars. And her shoes 30 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: are Gucci sneakers with rhinestones, Like, explain, they don't get 31 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: messed up the rhinestones. No, it's weird. They're really well 32 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: constructed and well they're like chained on. So as soon 33 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: as I saw them, I was like, these are literally 34 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: me in a sneaks, like a practical decadent kind of item. 35 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: So practical decadent that's kind of sums me up. It does, 36 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: But I never heard that before? Did you make that up? Well? 37 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: I've often said that I'm like a decadent, utilitarian, because 38 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: when people ask me, you know, about my style, there 39 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: has to be some kind of functionality to part of it, 40 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: not the whole look. But you know, if I'm running 41 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: around doing errands, going to show rooms, meeting with people, 42 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: I kind of, you know, I always have to look 43 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: somewhat together, even if I'm setting up in the studio 44 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: with my assistant or whatever it is. But I you know, 45 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: I'm a stylist. I love clothes. I love getting dressed. 46 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: I enjoyed the process. So even when I'm rushed, I 47 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: try to pull it together. And our U s stylist 48 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: because you love clothes, I think, so, I mean, it 49 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: kind of happened to me. I you know, my mom 50 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: was always really stylish, and I grew up like watching 51 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: her get ready and putting herself together. But it never 52 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: really occurred to me that that could be like a job, 53 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: you know, because she was a lawyer. So I just 54 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: thought like, well, she's a stylish lawyer. But I learned 55 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: so much watching her put herself together. See, your mom 56 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: is a big role model. She is huge. I mean, 57 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: she has influenced every part of my life and still does. 58 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: I mean, she's the best I like to call her 59 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: on my way home from the car, complained to her 60 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: earn wine and what does she say? She just listens. 61 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: She just listens. Well, she tries to solve all my problems. 62 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: But you know, and then I said, Mom, you're just 63 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: supposed to be listening now. But that's so funny you 64 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: say that because when my kids to call him like, 65 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: you're probably tired, you should go do this, and then 66 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: my kids get mad at me. Same. So I don't 67 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: want to be like that because I care so much. 68 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: I want to solve their problems because that's what moms 69 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: do totally. And my daughters do the same thing too. 70 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: I mean, my kids are twelve and sixteen, and sometimes 71 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: they'll just say to me they're so smart. I mean, 72 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: they'll just say to me, Mom, I'm not asking you 73 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: to solve the problem. I'm just telling you, going on, 74 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: can't you just listen? And I'm like, oh right, that's 75 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: what I do to my mom. I know it's kind 76 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: of scary and terrifying. I know, your kids stylish like 77 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: you are. They are let's see, they have fun with clothes. 78 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: But my older one is definitely more practical. She doesn't 79 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: care so much about clothes, which I think is so cool. 80 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: My little one has always been sort of into clothes. 81 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: She loves to shop and she loves to put looks together. 82 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: She's always dressed really crazy. My husband got a new 83 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: laptop and he was sending me these hilarious videos of 84 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: my youngest one. There was a video where she had 85 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: on leopard leggings with i'd Eye denim shorts over it 86 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: in the middle of winter because she refused to take 87 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: the shorts off, so we let her. But I've always 88 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: I've always believed that you should let kids express themselves 89 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,679 Speaker 1: through their clothes. I mean, that's like a really easy, 90 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: not harmful way to express yourself. You know. Then, what 91 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: kind of budget do they have? Oh? They Oh no, no, 92 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: we don't go there with like Gucci and blinc Yaga, 93 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: my kiss Love h and m. They like more practical brands. 94 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: They're not. Do you worry? I don't. You don't. You 95 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: can't walk into any of those stores and find something 96 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: course that you think you would like to have. I can, 97 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: but I have such a like solid wardrobe in my 98 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: closet already that the few times that I've tried to 99 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: do that, I end up giving it away. Yeah, giving 100 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: it away because I realized, like, why did I buy this? Yeah, 101 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: this white cotton shirt is twelve dollars, but I have 102 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: like a beautiful Ralph Lauren one in my closet, so 103 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: I need real estate in the closet. And how did 104 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: you get your first job at Ralph? I graduated school, 105 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: where'd you go to? Call? Trinity College? So when I 106 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: finished school, I came back to New York. I was 107 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: really ready to come back to New York because when 108 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 1: you grow up in New York, there is nowhere else 109 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: that has all of the things that you think everybody has. 110 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: So I came back and I moved in with my 111 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: mom and my stepdad for the summer to sort of 112 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: get back here and figure out what I was going 113 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: to do. And I was considering law school for the 114 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: last two years of when I was in college, and 115 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: I even applied to a few and because my mom 116 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: is an attorney and my brother's an attorney, and I 117 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: thought maybe I would go that way because I really 118 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: wasn't sure of what direction I wanted to take. And 119 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: it was actually my stepdad who pointed out to me 120 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: that maybe what I had was special as far as 121 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: my style and how I put myself together, and I 122 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: had never realized that that could be a career. That 123 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: was kind of the first time I was like, oh, oh, 124 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: that's like an industry. Maybe because I'm not a designer, 125 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: I have ideas. I'm more of an idea person. I 126 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: like to find things and put things together and anyway, 127 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: so he mentioned that to me, and then I was 128 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: I was on Madison Avenue. I think I was buying 129 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: a white Polo shirt, to be honest, and I was 130 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: at the mansion for me. Yes, you were like my 131 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: last forty dollars at the time. I think they're probably 132 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: a little more now. Yes, I was. Oh, I was 133 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: like super preppy in high school and my college was 134 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: kind of a little preppy too. Yeah. So I was 135 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: shopping and one of the salesman said you should work here, 136 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: and I was like what what? And he was like, 137 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: you should work here. You look like a Ralph Lauren 138 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: girl and you should like interview. It just got me thinking. 139 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: I was like okay, and I literally went downstairs filled 140 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: out like an employee form and then seventeen interviews later, 141 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: I got a job as a salesperson. Because you know, 142 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: I didn't realize what I was entering this world of 143 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: Ralph Lauren and the rhyan Lander Mansion had only opened 144 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: a couple of years before that, and it was a 145 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: big deal to work there, and everybody who worked there 146 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: was so glamorous and beautiful and dressed so oh so yeah. 147 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: So I started working at the mansion in the fall. 148 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: And then when did you go into Ralph Corporate? Well, 149 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: I worked at the store for I want to say, 150 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: around a year. I don't even remember. An amazing boss there, 151 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: a woman by the name of Electra All and she 152 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: really put a lot of faith in me to do 153 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: like little projects and stuff. And I wasn't really the 154 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: best salesperson, I must admit. So why were you not 155 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: the best sales person? I don't know. I just wasn't 156 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: like aggressive, and the people there were like professional salespeople, 157 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: and that was like not my thing. So I found 158 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: that out because it was kind of my first real 159 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: real job, like as a grown up graduate. Let's see, 160 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: So I worked in the mansion and you know, Ralph 161 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: and his family would come in and shop and things 162 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: like that, and a few times they were like, oh, 163 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: you know, Dylan's coming in or Ralph's coming in, do 164 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: you want to stay and just help them find stuff 165 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: and everything. And I was like, of course, like who 166 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't want to meet Ralph Lauren, you know, he's a legend, 167 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: and and so I would help them sometimes, and I 168 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: would organize things in the in the store, like we 169 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: used to do fun little employee fashion shows and and 170 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: so that was fun. That was probably the first real 171 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: styling thing that I did, aside from myself. So I 172 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: did that, and then I also something that I noticed 173 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: in the store was that people would call and remember 174 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: this is people would call the store asking for a 175 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: specific item that was in an ad like in the 176 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: New York Times or g Q or Vogue, and they 177 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to find it at the mansion sometimes. 178 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: So there wasn't really like a coordination between what was 179 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: shot and what was in the store, which seemed like 180 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: a huge missed opportunity to make. And that's just common sense. 181 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: But you have to remember, and you were there for 182 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: these days, so you'll you will remember. But you know, 183 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: back in the day, we would go off and shoot, 184 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: or we they would go off and shoot things that 185 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: maybe weren't even really available, or you know, it was 186 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: more about the dream and the lifestyle, and so when 187 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: the ads came out, it's it was all Ralph Lauren clothing, 188 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: but some of it may have been sold out or 189 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: they didn't plan for it or whatever. I put together 190 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: a book of all the images that were out there 191 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: in magazines, whether it was an editorial or an ad, 192 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: and I put them all in like those clear sleeves 193 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: that you buy in high school, you know, and put 194 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: and I put little stickers on them and labeled them 195 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 1: for what was the item and which Polo store had them, 196 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: or if not a Polo store, one of the department 197 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: stores that carried Ralph Lauren. So I put that together 198 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: for the sales people as a tool so that when 199 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: people called, they could take their name and number and 200 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: then go up to the office and look at We 201 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: used to call it the Bible because it had all 202 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: the information and figure out how to get the Polo 203 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: shirt that the person wanted or whatever it was to 204 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: the person. So that was kind of my first fora 205 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: into like actually marketing in the real world, because I 206 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: was a business major in school and I concentrated in marketing, 207 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: so it just made sense totally to me. I was like, 208 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: what we're prying, like all this money to advertise in 209 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: New York Times and there's no navy polo shirts or whatever. 210 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: So it was kind of like a weird disconnect back 211 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: in the day, but like nobody was doing that back 212 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: the day. And how close did you work with Ralph? 213 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: Back to Ralph, so one time when I was helping 214 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 1: the family in the store, he just said to me, oh, 215 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: he said, this look yourm on today is amazing. I 216 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: love I love your style. Like, are you a designer? 217 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: What what is it that you want to do? And 218 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: I said, I'm not really a designer, but I love 219 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: like doing those fashion shows in the store, and I 220 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: love looking at the pictures from the shoots. And I 221 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: said to Ralph like, maybe you know, advertising would be fun. 222 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: And I'm not really sure where I belonged to this company, 223 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: but I'm not really a great salesperson, so have any 224 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: ideas that day, I h he said, yeah, well, let 225 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: me go talk to some people and meet some people 226 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: down at corporate and let's see where you can fit in. 227 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: So that was obviously a huge highlight of my life 228 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: that he like saw something in me and was willing 229 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: to figure out where I fit in. That's cool, Yeah, cool, 230 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: So you stayed there for eleven years. Yeah, I ended 231 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 1: up in the advertising department. I stayed there for eleven 232 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: years and did all of the ads with my team 233 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: in the nineties. And then did you know about freelance styling? No? No, 234 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: because we didn't really call ourselves stylists because we were 235 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: part of the advertising team. You know. So what's great 236 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: about Ralph is it sort of was graduate school for 237 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: me because I learned so much sitting in those meetings 238 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: at night. You know, we would have advertising meetings. They 239 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: were kind of after hours, like six seven o'clock sometimes 240 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: because Ralph's schedule was so overbooked, and he actually really 241 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: enjoys going through the photographs because you are a style icon. 242 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: You're not an icon yet, but you're a future style icon, 243 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: and you're certainly my style guru. I mean, I only 244 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: wish I can get away with what you wear. My 245 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: husband and my sons would ridicule me. You have it 246 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: tough because you you live with all dudes. I you know, 247 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: let's talk about out dressing different sizes. I am five 248 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: foot tall, ear six foot tall. I have big boobs. 249 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: You have small boobs. It's like it's so much easier 250 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: for you. So let's talk about different shapes. Talk about 251 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: the easy one first, which is it is easier to 252 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: dress if you're a normal tall, not like crazy tall, 253 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: like six one is hard for a girl, but you're normal. 254 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: But I'm normal tall, So yeah, it is nice to 255 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: not have to alter my clothes to be honest, you know, 256 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: I just I'm not a big fan of altering unless 257 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: you really have to, and I you really have to, 258 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: and I get that, but I think the most important 259 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: thing when you get dressed is you have to be 260 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: comfortable or it shows on your face. And my approach 261 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: to styling and dressing it's the same, Actually it's not 262 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: even similar. It's the same as your approach to makeup. 263 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: I want everyone to look like themselves, but a little better, 264 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: a little more polished, a little pull together. I love 265 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: the little like I really I want people to look 266 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: like themselves, but a little better, just a little Yeah. 267 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: I don't want people to be like, oh, Bobby Brown 268 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: had to makeover, Like you don't need to make over. 269 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: You know you're almost there and then you just need 270 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: to put a little effort for those events or whatever 271 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: it is that when you feel you want to, you know, 272 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 1: but what I love about your approach. I hired you 273 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: recently to come into my closet and just help me 274 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: edit it. I don't even remember the last time that 275 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: you and I did it, okay, and you're really funny. 276 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: You shamed me, you ridiculed me, you laughed at me. 277 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: You did You took these one pair of pants, I 278 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: think they were Eileen Fisher, and you're like, are you 279 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: kidding me? I blowed them because they were really thin, 280 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: and I thought, when it's like a hundred degrees, and 281 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: you're like, are you trying to be your mother? And 282 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: so I did. So I got rid of a lot 283 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: of stuff. When you left the house, I went back 284 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: and shopped. I took a few things back into my 285 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: closet and when I put them on too, where I 286 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: looked at myself and I got rid of them. You 287 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: were a dred percent right. Thank you. You know, when 288 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: you start editing your closet, you sort of go down 289 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: a rabbit hole because the more you get rid of, 290 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: the more you realize all the other stuff. You might 291 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: as well just get rid of that too. What are 292 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: we saving stuff for? If you love it and you 293 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: have something new, wear it, and I have to force 294 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: myself to do this too, because you're in a rush. 295 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: You know, you throw on the same old thing. But 296 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: you know, if you're gonna spend money on clothes, you 297 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: should just wear them and enjoy them. And so where 298 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: do people start? Like? Where can you go into your closet? 299 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: What is the first thing you do? Well, you have 300 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: to really look at everything, and you have to people 301 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: are not gonna like this. You have to try it on. 302 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: That's why when you know, I know, a few times 303 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: you may say, oh, deb just go and edit. No, 304 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: I need to see them on you, because you know what, 305 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: maybe those pants look good on you, they don't listen. 306 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be expensive, but I'd like nice 307 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: quality clothes. I do like the quality of the Row 308 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: you know, as opposed to some other brands, So you 309 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: can really see it in the fit and the way 310 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: it feels on your body. So what's better than that? 311 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: You know the cut is right and the feeling is right. 312 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: So that's the problem I have with lower quality clothes really, 313 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: but a lot of people cannot afford Row right, which 314 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: I just which I totally get, which brings me to 315 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: another point is that fashion can be expensive. I know that, 316 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: but style is free. Everybody can have style. I work 317 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: with kids that are just starting out, whether they're assistance 318 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: you know, to make up artists and stylists and you know, 319 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: or even production assistance. Sometimes I'm like, oh my god, 320 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: look at this guy. He's got the coolest style right now. 321 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: You know, it can be how you put it together. 322 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: You just need to figure out what your style is. Listen, 323 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: some people have no style. They don't don't care about it. 324 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: It's not important to them. I get it, like like 325 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: you're no one is aspiring, right Lovy, No, But the 326 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: people that are, you know, wear a uniform. That's okay too, 327 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: because as long as that uniform is your style, which 328 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: you kind of have body. I buy one more navy 329 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: or black sweater. Actually right now I have four. Well 330 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: I just made you buy a bunch, but I yes, 331 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: I have four black sweaters and I must have twelve 332 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: or fifteen navy ones right now? And what T shirt 333 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: are you wearing? My favorite it right now is Base Range. 334 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: They're so good. It's I want to say Australian. I 335 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: don't know if it's called Base or Base Range, but 336 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 1: their T shirts are very thin and they're really beautiful 337 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: quality like it looks similar to the ones or sort. 338 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: Never cap sleeves on. Everyone does cap. I don't either, 339 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: like just to regulate too, but it's hard to fask 340 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: like Oh and Redone makes great T shirts. They're more 341 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: like Haynes old school cotton, like a little thicker. But 342 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: I like the base range because they're very thin. I 343 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: actually have one on and they don't like bunch up. 344 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: So we talked about when you're tall, you can get 345 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: away with anything. Let's talk about some different shapes and 346 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:41,479 Speaker 1: what suggestions you have. Let's talk about petite short women. Okay, 347 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: what does short women have to know? I think it's 348 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: important when you're petite to try to be tonal. If 349 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: you like that, that's the easiest one. Like if you know, 350 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: if you wear all navy, you're not cutting yourself in 351 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: half at the waist. If you want to look taller 352 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: and you look better if you're wearing all white or 353 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: all five feet, women would like to look at least 354 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: five to Maybe my daughter is petite by I think 355 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: she's five to. My older one is five too, and 356 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: my little one is almost the same size as her. 357 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: But my older daughter loves being petite. She loves it like, 358 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: I'm so glad I'm not tall like you. Yeah, that's 359 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: what she says, and I'm like, okay, whatever, And what 360 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: about women that have an athletic body, like, have a 361 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: bigger athletic body. What are some tips. It's always good 362 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: to buy bigger and have it tailored down to you. 363 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: You know, I hate tight clothes on anyone. I really 364 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: am against it. I think it looks like vulgar almost. 365 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: And you know, I like my jeans to fit. I 366 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: don't wear baggy jeans per se, but I like my 367 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: clothing to fit. I don't like it to be like 368 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: tight and also so uncomfortable, Like, why would you do 369 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: that to yourself? Well, it's hard when you're short to 370 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: wear things that are too big because that then you 371 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 1: you look slumpy. Yes, you have to be fitted. Yes, 372 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: it has to be fitted for muscular bodies. I think 373 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: it important to get to try to get a size 374 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: that fits comfortably or a little bigger, and then you 375 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: can always nip it in at your waist if you 376 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: need to. I think it's just has to feel good 377 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: on you. You can't, you know. And you have to 378 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: watch the sleeves always. Everyone has to watch the sleeves. 379 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: Tall people have to make sure the sleeves aren't too 380 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: short because it looks skimpy, and smaller people have to 381 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: make sure that they're not too long because it looks 382 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: like you have your mom's jacket on. So tailoring is important. 383 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: And like one of your little hats that you do 384 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: is great is that you happen to like your sleeves 385 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: rolled up on your blazers and it's stylish, and then 386 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: you can put fun linings inside, which we've done before, 387 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 1: like hot pink or whatever. So it's fun to do 388 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Oh, by the way, for critique, 389 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: girls also go to the boys department because like, if 390 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: you go to Brooks Brothers and buy a boy's jacket, 391 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: it'll have sort of three quarter sleeves on you and 392 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: the body will fit. But then you can have these 393 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: cute little three quarter sleeves so you can show all 394 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: your bracelets and you know, it's a cute look. I 395 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: love that. Sometimes it works, sometimes it works, other times 396 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: just looks like a chubby boy. It might. Yeah, sometimes 397 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: you need to alter the jacket too, but it depends. 398 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: So what about plus women, I think you just need 399 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: to embrace that waist you know, almost everybody has a 400 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,959 Speaker 1: smaller waist than you know, their shoulders and hips. I 401 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: think for curvy girls. You know, listen, my mom is 402 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: a curvy girl and she always works about. She loves about. 403 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: I mean, her waist is so tiny. I always say 404 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: that my mom dressing. He's like dressing Kim Kardashian because 405 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: my mom has a tiny waist, but she has a 406 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: butt and a chest. Wature your closet, your mother. I've 407 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: written it down, and I do have other clients and 408 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: that I that I dressed that. I think it's really 409 00:20:45,080 --> 00:21:00,120 Speaker 1: important to invest in a beautiful belt. Also, by the way, 410 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: so I have a speed round for you. Okay, so 411 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: what's the last clothing item you bought. I bought a 412 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: pair of white Chanel boots last week. Was I can 413 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: wear a white Chanel boots. I wore them yesterday. I 414 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: was going to wear them today, but I have to 415 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: run around after this. That aren't they they're patent white 416 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: white hack Okay, white them off white patent boots. But 417 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: I have several pairs of white boots, buttery, I just 418 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: can't wait to do this. They're white. Yeah, no, I 419 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: think that was. I was trying to think of literally 420 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: the last thing, because it was probably like yesterday. But 421 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: the boots are the thing that I can remember. Who's 422 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: the last celebrity you dressed? Brook Shields. What is your 423 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: least favorite trend right now? The giant shoes. I can't 424 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: with the weird the Grandpa sneakers went straight into like 425 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 1: the monster like ravy flatform. I don't know what's happening 426 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: out there. I tried them on because you would look 427 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,239 Speaker 1: at it. You look like Herman Monster, Herman Monster, and 428 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: I look like her horrible. And I have to say, 429 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: that's the only thing that my husband is like, oh god, 430 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: really like when I wear crazy shoes that are not 431 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: like sexy, pretty crazy shoes, He's like, really, well, you know. 432 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: Part of my whole style evolution was always like mixing. 433 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: Even when I worked at Ralf Lauren, I used to 434 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: kind of get in trouble from my manager because I 435 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: would wear like ripped levies with like a military jacket 436 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: and velvet loafers, and you were supposed to wear all 437 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: Ralph when you work there, so he would be like, 438 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: why don't you have like suit pants on? But that 439 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: was what Ralph loved about me, is that I dressed 440 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: more of the way he dressed in some ways? What 441 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: is your either skincare or makeup item? And you cannot 442 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: live without blush? I love blush. I mean I'm a 443 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: blushed girl, but I always have something on my lips too. 444 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,239 Speaker 1: So where can people learn more about you? Where can 445 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: people learn from you? And how can people reach you? 446 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: My Instagram at Deb's Watson at debs Deb's with an S, 447 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: everyone forgets the S and my hashtag is styled by 448 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: Deborah Watson. So like all my work is on there, 449 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 1: and I'm going to add one more question. Where are 450 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: you going to have your next commercial success? I'm working 451 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: on that. I'm not sure at the moment. I have 452 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: some ideas floating around. But I love your advice that 453 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: you gave me last time I saw you. You said, 454 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: do you remember now? You said, do them all? One 455 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: of them will work. Yeah, But it's the truth. It 456 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: is the true. People always say, like, you know, what's 457 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 1: the secret of a success? I'm like, you put one 458 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: foot try, and you put the other foot down, and 459 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: you keep going and you keep doing it and eventually 460 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: it becomes something I know, or you know, you shift 461 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: and it becomes something else. Yeah, or you drop it in. Yeah, 462 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: that's something that I admire. And people when they you know, 463 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: when they're working on something and it's like, oh, this 464 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: wasn't really the right move, then just get out of it, 465 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: move on. Okay, thank you so much, always great to 466 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: see you. 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