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Speaker 1: hello again, sports fans, and welcome to Talking Cowboys Break

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Speaker 1: on a Monday morning. As we've got a makeshift crew

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Speaker 1: in here today because a lot of people are still

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Speaker 1: on the road. The road trip continues in Washington, DC

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Speaker 1: today for Cowboys and Redskins and landover Maryland yesterday. And

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Speaker 1: we've got a lot to talk about over the course

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Speaker 1: of the next hour. Bill Jones with Okay, who should

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Speaker 1: be introduced first in this crew? Okay, we're going Kurt Daniels, Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Chart Daniels. I gotta say this needs to be called

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Speaker 1: the Hanging with the Cowboys Breaker. There you go, that's

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Speaker 1: hang Try considering two the members are here, that's coming

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Speaker 1: in with the Talking Cowboys Break. And we've got Brian

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Speaker 1: brought us over there. Wow, you had a boat tie

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Speaker 1: on today. Yeah, it's I'm running for government office. I'd

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Speaker 1: appreciate your vote today. Early voting has begun. Voting, early voting,

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Speaker 1: early voting often, I guess I appreciate little TV work today,

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Speaker 1: Bill them and take a page out of your book

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Speaker 1: well and filling in I guess for Mickey Spagnola, who's

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Speaker 1: what the Cowboys doing his TV work today? Because you

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Speaker 1: are a team player, right, I do my best? There,

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Speaker 1: you go do my best. Man. We've gotten Nathaniel Newton

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Speaker 1: in the house as well. Nate, how are you doing

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Speaker 1: a great It's wrong, you'll have a boat tie. We

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Speaker 1: worked with it every Sunday, so I'm gonna try. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm just laughing because you can't believe how that finished

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Speaker 1: in last night. So what you're about to say? Laugh?

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Speaker 1: You get your workout in this morning, No, sir, I

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Speaker 1: had to take White to the airport at three thirty,

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Speaker 1: so okay thirty, Yeah, you had to catch a five

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Speaker 1: o'clock flight, one of them, so you know, I hope

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Speaker 1: to get it in. All right, man, let's go, Bill,

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Speaker 1: let's go, let's go. So you had Jeff Code in

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Speaker 1: the house for the Pope game yesterday. Yeah, post, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: did nice job. Did nice job, first time out of

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Speaker 1: the box. So good to have him. Okay, okay, so

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Speaker 1: now the elephant in the room. Yeah, what happened in

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Speaker 1: Washington yesterday? All right, let's just start with a takeaway.

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Speaker 1: Go around the horn here? What do you say? And

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Speaker 1: go ahead? Round one one. Quickie little takeaway, They're just

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Speaker 1: not the same team on the road. Yeah, and it's

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Speaker 1: I guess it's execution and communication. They talked about that

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Speaker 1: coming into this week. Zeke said some things about we

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Speaker 1: gotta communicate better and didn't see much difference. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: got a couple of things I could say, but I'm

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Speaker 1: I'll focus in on bad day in the office for

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Speaker 1: the offensive line, and I don't want to. I think

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna steal my man's thunder next to me though.

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Speaker 1: But I think overall they did a really poor job

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Speaker 1: of handling the Redskins front. You know, the power inside

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Speaker 1: with with Pain and then also with Alan I think,

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Speaker 1: and then you mix in what Kerrigan was able to

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Speaker 1: do as a pass rusher. Smith. We talked about him.

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Speaker 1: I know this is not one thing, but it's it's

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Speaker 1: a culmination of things. If you think that Connor Williams

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Speaker 1: played bad, you need to take a look at what

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Speaker 1: happened with While Collins in this game too, And then

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Speaker 1: also you need to take a look at what happened

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Speaker 1: with Tyrant Smith. And then you also need to take

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Speaker 1: a look at what happened to Joe Looney, and then

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Speaker 1: that'll give you a little idea of why this team's

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Speaker 1: inability to a run the ball, be protect their quarterback

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Speaker 1: is a major factor in what these road woes are

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Speaker 1: happening right now. And Nate, you have a smile on

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Speaker 1: your face. At least a president made it out of life. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Meeting Zach Martin, Yeah he was. He wasn't as guilty

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Speaker 1: as the others that were charged. For four or five weeks,

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Speaker 1: all the president's men were charged. Yes, this was not

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Speaker 1: a cover up. For four or five weeks, I've been

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Speaker 1: saying that we are a decent team and uh, you

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Speaker 1: know brought us in. Mickey challenged me with offensive line

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Speaker 1: and I stn't know we should be able to function.

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Speaker 1: Well yesterday they got off some nice passes, but in

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Speaker 1: key moments everything brought us. Say it came true. Yeah

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Speaker 1: everything offensive line, they need fixing, and they need fixing

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Speaker 1: in a hurry. Yeah. This is something that you hang

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Speaker 1: of Oxnard. When we were standing there on the field

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Speaker 1: okay here and it has been it has been a struggle.

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Speaker 1: There's been times, like you said, in the last couple

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Speaker 1: there was some leakage and some things that Dak had

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Speaker 1: did they do anything different those less towards the end

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Speaker 1: that they were they were going to try their best,

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Speaker 1: and they talked about communication and the Redskins plan was

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Speaker 1: to try and force them to have to block twist stunts,

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Speaker 1: going to test Tyrn Smith and and Connor Williams ability

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Speaker 1: to handle stunts that way. And the Redskins felt like

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Speaker 1: just rushing four in Dallas and then they were picking

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Speaker 1: up the twist stunts. At the end of the game,

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Speaker 1: what did you see Prescott was running the ball. He

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Speaker 1: was running to to you know, because there were there

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Speaker 1: a you know, it had been a guts throw down

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Speaker 1: touchdowney Cole Beasley down the middle of the field went

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Speaker 1: on on those runs, a couple of those runs. But

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Speaker 1: overall though, they're inability to run the football, that's what

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Speaker 1: they that's their identity, right, that's what kind of that's

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Speaker 1: what gets them going. And and the fact that the

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Speaker 1: really for the Redskins. You know, they dominated the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: in that area. There was really no even some of

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Speaker 1: the staple plays that they try. And I'm sorry for

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Speaker 1: I'm just going No, we have an hour show. But

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Speaker 1: there's some of the staples that they have with their

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Speaker 1: and the Redskins took that away. They took that away

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Speaker 1: with forced play by the safety. The linebackers did a

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Speaker 1: nice job that Redskins were square along that defensive front.

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Speaker 1: maybe I'm diving off another topic. No, but did they

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Speaker 1: I always felt for most of that game they were

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Speaker 1: it was one of those things. And and my my

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Speaker 1: halftime adjustments. Don't you look down? No, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: He gonna explain to you. But I'm gonna give you

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Speaker 1: the bottom line right ahead. I don't want I feel

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Speaker 1: like I'm the bottom line. Was preaching here, and I

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Speaker 1: understand what you're saying. It comes to time in the

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Speaker 1: game where you see, okay, you can see creases, but

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Speaker 1: if you go back, you will see on first and

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Speaker 1: second down when they tried to run the ball, there

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Speaker 1: was nothing. Yeah, when when when you have nothing, it's

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Speaker 1: not a give up. When you give up. You see

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Speaker 1: and they're pushing guys back in the lap and Karragan

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Speaker 1: Smith and Karagan it's setting the edge. I mean they're

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Speaker 1: where does Zeke go? Yeah, and then you got changing

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Speaker 1: that's that was the thing to me. I'm not looking

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Speaker 1: about you know, you wear them down five touches, they

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Speaker 1: wore you down exactly. Okay, yeah they were at that

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Speaker 1: it's funny because when when Lindsey Draper and I did

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Speaker 1: the points I made and it just was really clear

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Speaker 1: some plays, they didn't make nearly enough. You know, there

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Speaker 1: And that was that was really on the offensive line yesterday.

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Speaker 1: The inability to protect was was huge in that game

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Speaker 1: because they did have some opportunities down the field, not

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Speaker 1: some drop balls, you know, and Hearns had to drop

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Speaker 1: the end of the game, I think that things roll

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Speaker 1: he hits Beasley on that inside or out and you

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Speaker 1: by play sheets, it's one o nine and the fourth

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Speaker 1: Dallas gets the ball back after using after you know,

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Speaker 1: stopping them using two timeouts, and now they're on the move.

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Speaker 1: They're going to get this ball and Beasley is open

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Speaker 1: on the slant, and I think Tony Romo actually pointed

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Speaker 1: if he hits that and he's looking at Beasley instead,

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Speaker 1: he tries to throw the ball inside to Dalton Schultz

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Speaker 1: and then he gets tipped in the air by Pain.

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Speaker 1: You know, but if he hits Beasley, maybe Dallas's attitude

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Speaker 1: because Beasley he's gonna take the ball. Basically with the

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Speaker 1: Dallas forty four and swearing your the safety's standing on

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Speaker 1: the Washington forty when this happens. But you know, and

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Speaker 1: I know, Bill, I want to Glizma, but being being

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Speaker 1: your history of what has happened, especially with the Texans,

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Speaker 1: isn't that you're isn't that your make up from this

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Speaker 1: point on that we're going to win the game. Well,

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Speaker 1: he tried to go for it on fourth down and

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Speaker 1: one and swearings your mad to play that caused a fumble. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I'm saying, I mean, I give him credit for that.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, going forward, Oh, going forward, when when he

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Speaker 1: you had the ball on their side of the field,

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Speaker 1: I'm going for I'm gonna try and win this game.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and win this game. And I know

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Speaker 1: if there's people out there and say I brought us,

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Speaker 1: what if he got sacked. What if he had this

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Speaker 1: way he had that. No, you really had Washington on

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Speaker 1: and that that's something. I played it perfectly, using your

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Speaker 1: timeouts and stopping them. Matter of fact, Sean Lee made

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Speaker 1: a hell of a play. Yes, you get the ball

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Speaker 1: back and you're thinking, yeah, exactly, you're thinking, okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: here they go. They you know it played out perfectly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Jake Gruden tried to give you the game.

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Speaker 1: He tried, He tried to give you an opportunity. You

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Speaker 1: didn't take it. You cannot tell me. And I don't

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Speaker 1: take shots at Jason, but I can't stand to see

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Speaker 1: you set up again and say how smart Dack is.

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Speaker 1: How you believe in in this that the other? If

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Speaker 1: you if you preaching what you believe in, you gotta

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Speaker 1: believe when your back is against the wall at the

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Speaker 1: highest moment, who do you turn the ball over too?

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Speaker 1: Who do you turn the ball over to? Okay, let

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Speaker 1: me let me just as an example, we'll say this

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Speaker 1: was Aaron Rodgers against the Cowboys last year. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: he threw the end zone twice, but he took over

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Speaker 1: yea with a minute thirteen left, and just to give

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Speaker 1: you an idea, you're about to compare this offense there

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Speaker 1: going No, I'm just comparing drive and how much time

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Speaker 1: is elapsed in between plays, okay, and I want to

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Speaker 1: find out for myself. I had no idea what the

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Speaker 1: answer is here? Yeah, so I just looked it up.

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Speaker 1: Their drive started at the twenty five yard line. The

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Speaker 1: minute thirteen left. He completed a fourteen yard pass to

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Speaker 1: Davante Adams right. That took four seconds. Yeah, okay, they're

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Speaker 1: at the thirty nine. Okay, I guess he got out

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Speaker 1: of bounds. I'm not no, okay, fourteen yards to Martellis Bennett. Okay.

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Speaker 1: The play started at one o nine. Their next play

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Speaker 1: comes off at forty seven seconds, so it took thirteen

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Speaker 1: plus night. It took twenty two seconds in between plays

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Speaker 1: there for Rogers to get the next play, to get

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Speaker 1: them lined up and take the next play because Martellis

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Speaker 1: was I remember he was tackled in bounds right, all right,

461
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Speaker 1: at forty seven incomplete pass, so only two seconds came off.

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Speaker 1: He at forty five seconds, they handed off to Aaron Jones.

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Speaker 1: He went for fifteen yards right and he got out

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Speaker 1: of bounds, So that play only took six seconds. Yea.

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Speaker 1: So now it's thirty nine seconds left, in complete pass

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Speaker 1: thirty six gains left Aaron Jones left tackle for two

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Speaker 1: yards and they call a time out after that. So

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Speaker 1: now you're at twenty nine seconds field position. They're at

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Speaker 1: the Dallas thirty. Now, okay, Rogers ran for eighteen yards

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Speaker 1: at out of bounds and then got it in twenty

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Speaker 1: one seconds left, and now he's throwing for the end

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Speaker 1: zone incomplete to Davante Adams and then touchdown. But the

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Speaker 1: point is on the play that got the past completion

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Speaker 1: that was in bounds it And this is a the

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Speaker 1: school of thoughts should be for any team. It basically

476
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Speaker 1: takes twenty two seconds to get them to get lined

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Speaker 1: up and run another play. That's why teams clock it

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Speaker 1: when they are in that position. Yeah, I think Dallas

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Speaker 1: is I'm gonna say this again, I appreciate the history

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Speaker 1: Lesson by the way going. I just learned to see

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Speaker 1: for myself how long I think Dallas's attitude about how

482
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Speaker 1: they would have played this would have been different if

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Speaker 1: at one o nine they would hit Beasley on the pass.

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Speaker 1: I really do, and I put that on I put

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Speaker 1: that on the I put that on the I put

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Speaker 1: that on the quarterback there. Should it be different, though?

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Speaker 1: Should it be different? Yeah, whether he hit him or not,

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Speaker 1: should it be different? Should I think that? I think

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Speaker 1: that once you know, to me, if you hit that play,

490
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Speaker 1: it's a chunk play. And now you're thinking, Okay, we

491
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Speaker 1: maybe we got him on their heels a little bit here.

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Speaker 1: Let's keep going like Nate wants to do. Let's keep going.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that you you you had an incomplete

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Speaker 1: and then another incomplete and then you had a miracle

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Speaker 1: catch at the For Prescott, I give him credit for

496
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Speaker 1: the past there because he had Preston Smith was right

497
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Speaker 1: in his face again Tyrn Smith gets beat on the

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Speaker 1: play and he had to throw it over the top

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Speaker 1: of them. But I just feel like though their attitude

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Speaker 1: about what they needed to do would have changed from like, hey,

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Speaker 1: let's just go try and tie this thing up right

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Speaker 1: now and may and maybe I know you're going down.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm believing they were trying to kick the field goal.

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Speaker 1: I'm believing I think, yeah, the personally though, I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: of fifty two seconds, let's go win this thing, all right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Jason center after the game. That was but

507
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: at one or nine, if you if you hit Beasley

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Speaker 1: and he's in Redskin, Terry, I'm now, I'm I'm moving,

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Speaker 1: I'm getting I'm gonna just keep going. I'm gonna try

510
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Speaker 1: and go win this thing. This team, this team literally

511
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: got beat at its own game. It rest. The Redskins

512
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: are doing everything that you hope to have done during

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Speaker 1: this game. They're doing everything exactly you seeing your blueprint

514
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Speaker 1: workout for the other team. Well, guess what, you know

515
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Speaker 1: what they are on today. They got most of the

516
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Speaker 1: momentum him, I gotta take this back. Okay, you get

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Speaker 1: that momentum back. You got fifty two seconds. I got

518
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Speaker 1: to win this. Yeah, I'm not going in the overtime

519
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Speaker 1: and hope and pray that I get back at this

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Speaker 1: position where I'm at now. Yeah, that's what we was

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Speaker 1: hoping for. We're getting this overtime, then we're hoping we

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Speaker 1: can get back on the thirty five. The one thing,

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Speaker 1: the one thing he had to think about though, was

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Speaker 1: at his defense in the second half. I mean, Peterson

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Speaker 1: was running the ball, but but he's got to think

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Speaker 1: about you know, he's probably thinking, you know, wow, you

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Speaker 1: know they can't make any big plays down the field,

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Speaker 1: can they he's got I mean, he's probably thinking that

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Speaker 1: he's gonna, he's gonna he's gonna get one shot in

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Speaker 1: overtime to win the scene. But he's thinking, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean he's thinking, I know, but it's crazy to think.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. We have seen your life. Probably

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Speaker 1: we've seen this play out before. That's if I see

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Speaker 1: it play out one way before, I'm like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm at least gonna give it a shot the other way.

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Speaker 1: You've seen this flair where you thought you was gonna

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Speaker 1: have a chance. I'm gonna put it in my defense

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Speaker 1: defense hands. But your defense is beat up. Now Peterson

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00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: has hit you from right out one hundred yards that

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Speaker 1: you are beat up. You are tired. Yeah, it sounds

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Speaker 1: like a team that doesn't trust their quarterback. I think

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Speaker 1: I can kiss you, man. I don't know. I just

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Speaker 1: I don't think you trust the offensive line right now?

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Speaker 1: Kiss you man? Are we taking breaks on this? I

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00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: think for once, our receivers were better at catching the ball.

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Speaker 1: For once, our quarterback turned it over twice. Yeah, our

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Speaker 1: recipe of the disaster, my brother, how about we take

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Speaker 1: what was the biggest play of that game? Most Yeah,

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Speaker 1: where we ad on the field and not make those mistakes.

639
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: Is that a part of the communication problems? That our

640
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: penalties a result of the communication? No, because a single

641
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: a single physical that's a physical thing. Because like on

642
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: the road, we averaged eight penalties for sixty nine yards

643
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: of game, at home we averaged four for thirty thirty one.

644
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: That's a physical thing. That's a lack of confidence. Are

645
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: you playing somebody that's more skilled than you? Yeah, I

646
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: go back to because I think I think Fate would

647
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: have dealt them a different hand. If I go back

648
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: to the Beasley play at one oh nine, because I

649
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: think they designed that play. I think they designed that

650
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: play to get him the ball. And Dad came off

651
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: it and went back inside, and I Beasley was open.

652
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: It was gonna be again. It was gonna be a

653
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: big play, and it was gonna be a play that

654
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: Beasley was gonna take. He was gonna run about another

655
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: extra ten yards or so, and then they were gonna

656
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: Now now you're driving. Now you're they're into the field

657
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: with a time out and in your pocket and a

658
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: little momentium on your side right there. I think it

659
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 1: was a big play that that that wasn't wasn't made

660
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: that you know, should have been made because it was

661
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: so open. It was so easy for him to make

662
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: that throw. And he had time. Happened that he came

663
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: off with somebody flash, No, he had he had time.

664
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: And now I went back. I went back and looked

665
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: at it, though, and he's just he's got the time.

666
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just he looks at it and then

667
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: he just and then he just quickly. I mean it's

668
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: like he's like glancing then back inside and it's like

669
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: he panicked on it. And I was I was sitting

670
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: there going and you guys could go back and watch.

671
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to come up, it up

672
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: for you, and it's so it's so open that you're

673
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: going They had to design it. And who is your

674
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: best player to throw the ball to in that situation,

675
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: It's Beasley. Throw it to him and let him get

676
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: inside of Washington's territory. But I'll tell you another play

677
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 1: I thought was huge was the mentioned that Shawn Lee

678
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: when he ran down Alex Smith when they were trying

679
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: to kill the clock, Because that gave you a chance

680
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: and either win it or tie it, and gave me

681
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: a chance. Yeah, exactly, you Sean Lee. When I mean

682
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: the coverage they were playing, just straight bass coverage. You know,

683
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: they didn't have nickel on or anything like that. I

684
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: mean they but they covered everybody and Alex Smith is

685
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: a good run. And I thought, when Alex Smith got

686
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: near the corner, I'm like, Okay, this is gonna be

687
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: close because because you got Byron Jones is driving too.

688
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: But I'm hopeful that Byron Jones would have stuck his

689
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: head in there and cocked him out of bounce before

690
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: the sticks. But you never know with a cornerback what's

691
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: going to happen. But Shaun Lee running from where he

692
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: ran to get to that that right there, that play

693
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: gave you a chance to either tie the game or

694
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: win the game because it gave you the ball back.

695
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: And on the previous series, his play on the option, well,

696
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you that that was yeah, And you

697
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: know what, Shaun Lee gets a lot of credit, but

698
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: it was the DeMarcus Lawrence that made that play. DeMarcus

699
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: Lawrence is playing his technique and then all of a

700
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: sudden he sees what's happened. Shaun Lee just happens to

701
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: get up the field so fast that it forces Bibs

702
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: to go back in the inside. But if you when

703
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: you watch the play, it is it is. It is

704
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: Lawrence playing down the line and then getting back to

705
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: the outside quickly and then tripping him up. Because yeah,

706
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: I I initially last night when I wrote my Scout's notebook,

707
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: I thought it was Shaun Lee on the play the

708
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: way I saw it on the TV. But then you

709
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: go back, yeah, then you go back and watch the game.

710
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: It was DeMarcus Lawrence's ability to the way he played,

711
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: and he had a hell of a game when it came.

712
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: There's not many people, there's not many people that that

713
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: the Cowboys run defense that were that were really good

714
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: in that game. You know, I was expecting to be

715
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 1: a little bit better than they were. But Adrian Pierson

716
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: him credit. But the Marcus Lawrence there were four or

717
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: five players where he was just they did not block him.

718
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: They trying them down the goal line. They try, and

719
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: they try and get the ball the outside and he

720
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: and he spins, I mean he feels, he feels Vernon

721
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: Davis is going to block him, and he spins out

722
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: of it, and Davids is lungdeon and he ends up

723
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: right there on the ball. He led the team and

724
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: combined tackles are just kind of rare. Yeah, he was.

725
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: He he came to play yesterday. He really really came

726
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 1: to play yesterday. We talk about we wasting, we wasting

727
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: time on on these on offensive young stars. We wasting time. Boy,

728
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: We gotta we got a beast at that love defensive.

729
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 1: We wasting time. Man. He does not get near enough

730
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: credit for playing the run as well as he does.

731
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: He is. He is a rare player when it comes

732
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: to run, running, rushing the passer and playing in the

733
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: run and my play important play, uh plays off. It's

734
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: the play right before yours. And it has to do

735
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: basically with the same thing that you're talking about, which

736
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: is the Connor Williams hold on the third on the

737
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: third down play. It was the play just probably third

738
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: seventeen on the third and third twelve, third and fourteen fourteen.

739
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: But if but on that play that has a great

740
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: throw to Beasley, they convert on third down. Okay, now

741
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: they got a chance there, Yeah, and they can get going.

742
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: And it was but it was a product of you know,

743
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: getting beat on a play, and you know, you it's

744
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: a young guy, that right, Jonathan Allen, I mean, I mean, okay.

745
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: The thing with me was the when you watch that

746
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: play and they could talk about this because he's lived

747
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: this that you know, when you get a guy and

748
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: you're on there, you're bodying him, you know, just ride

749
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: him with your body. You know, if you're going down

750
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 1: on the nine times out of ten, if you're riding

751
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: a guy, then getting too and yeah, you got your

752
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: hands on them, they're gonna call holding. But if you

753
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: find a way to kind of ride them like you're

754
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: riding a wave to the ground, officials don't. Now I'll

755
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: tell you something though, These officials miss some calls. I'm

756
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: not just saying there was a it was on one

757
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: of the on one of Dak's sacks. They clearly Ryan

758
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it was Karrigan had hit. It

759
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: was Karrigan. He had his hand like he punches Collins

760
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: in the face with his hand and but he keeps

761
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: his hand and he's driving Colins back to the quarterback.

762
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: And then he gets the sack on Dak. And you're thinking, Okay,

763
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: that's a that's a play in the in the in

764
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: space that normally officials see, you know, and I'll sell

765
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,479
Speaker 1: you another play. I'm here. I'm kind of bitching about

766
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: the officiating. But on the play that you were talking about,

767
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: the one where Dak fumbles the ball, Thompson's on the outside,

768
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 1: they're running double, they're running out and ups on both sides,

769
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: and Dak's looking that way. Josh Norman hits. I mean

770
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: contact physically cont tack blocks Thompson on the play fifteen

771
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: yards down the field. Nine times out of ten that

772
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: is going to be an illegal contact call. It's gonna

773
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: be five yards. You're gonna be automatic first down. But

774
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: then maybe you don't have the sack and the fumble

775
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. You know, you get the ball,

776
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: you get another first down. But you talk about officiating

777
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: the way it affects the game. That's a call that's

778
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: made every every weekend in the National Football League. If

779
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: you got a corner that's playing off and he kind

780
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: of Norman's beat, Normans beat on the play and he

781
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: collisions Thompson on the out and that affects the way

782
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: that the you know, and now you get a sack

783
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: fumble and it's a it's a big play, but a

784
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: non call hands the face non call, uh, legal contact

785
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: non call. You know, those are tough. Those are tough

786
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: penalties that they're made, calls every day in the National

787
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: FOOTBA League that they weren't made in this game. You

788
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: you just you have the play. Yeah, I understand playing yet, Yeah,

789
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: and I'm not, but don't don't call it one thing

790
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: going against what you're saying, bro. But what what what

791
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: what amazes me is we I just looked at on

792
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: the film where the sack on that You just have

793
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: to play, man, You just have to play, and you

794
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: have to believe it's your offense, is your offensive line,

795
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 1: it's your quarterback. And I'm talking about the head coach

796
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: in the staff. You have to believe that you gonna

797
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: that that that some of these players are going to

798
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: get get done. And and it didn't get done because

799
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: your players were either not efficient enough, are not aware

800
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: of what the situation was. And I'm going back to

801
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: he was not good enough, and I'm talking about Connor

802
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: Williams because they had a guy, but I think a

803
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: guy for the center and a guy over him. So

804
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: if you turn the protection, he stayed in the right gap.

805
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 1: That guy got up the field in the right gap.

806
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: That was the B gap. He and Connor knowing that

807
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: if he had to sit on this guy, he didn't

808
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: even it right. Yeah, you got a wide three. You

809
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: have to sit out there. You have to take that

810
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: chance that he's gonna get back inside and you can

811
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: get him back with your powerhand. He did not even

812
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: take the step experience. Yeah, sit back a little bit, father,

813
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: and yeah, he gonna bull rush you, but yeah, he's

814
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: gonna have to run over me. And if he has

815
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: to run over me, and as long as I don't

816
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: grab him and I'm just flaming, I'm good. Yeah. But

817
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: when you guys go back and watch the games, you're

818
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: not noting I'm not trying to defend Connor Williams. Lyle

819
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: Collins was worse. Lile Collins was. Yeah, but that played

820
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: there is what bills say changed. No, no, and I understand,

821
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: but I understand if you want to, if if everybody

822
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: wants to say get rid of Connor Williams or replace Connors, right,

823
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: you better go find out what happened at right tackle

824
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: that game yesterday, because that he got he got. I've

825
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 1: never seen Lyle Collins get thrown around like he did yesterday.

826
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: And he was hurried care again and then and then

827
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: he was also. Yeah, they were they were working, they

828
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: were working guys over. But he in the run game.

829
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: I have never seen him play with the lie. I

830
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: could balance that. This is his fourth year, the second

831
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: year playing right tackle. Okay, but you know what, that's

832
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: a coaches thing. You You don't A kid cannot be

833
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: twenty six, twenty seven years old, reaching the prime of

834
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: his life and all of a sudden he regressing. This

835
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: kid is actually regressing. Yeah, there's no question. So somebody

836
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: but something something either in his head technically unsound. Well,

837
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: he played, okay, I tell you this, he played well

838
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: in the game last week against a pretty good defensive front.

839
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: But then he turns around in this game. His techniques bad,

840
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: his feet are bad, his hands are bad. And it

841
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: wasn't just like one time on the run blocking stuff.

842
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: There's three or four times you go, man, that's just awful.

843
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: And then you look at okay in the patty and

844
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: the holding penalty. You know, like I was we were

845
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: laughing last night, or like we were at the Houston

846
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: Livestock rodeo, like we were bulldogging and stuff like that.

847
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, that's it's not you can't you

848
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 1: can't play like that. Also credit at the Redskins personnel

849
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: people for making the decision here in the last couple

850
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: of drafts to draft those Alabama gains. They were terrible

851
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: against the run, thirty second in the league last year.

852
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: No one also what they are facing twice a year

853
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: in this division against what perceived as boy offensive line

854
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 1: and an Eagles offensive line that's one of the best,

855
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: and they knew that they had to improve their defensive line.

856
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: And Jonathan Allen fell to them. The guy had a

857
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: bad shoulder. He was probably a top five player, probably

858
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: the best defensive tackle on the board, and they get

859
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: him at seventeen. Sometimes sometimes the draft gods smile on you.

860
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: Some days they smile on you. Do we need to

861
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: take another break or not? I think we're kid. I

862
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 1: think we just probably need to keep talking, keep talking.

863
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: Keep Okay, we're gonna keeping, but just keep going. Okay,

864
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: you talked about guys making plays and on that. I

865
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: just have to ask on the on the sack fumble. Yeah,

866
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: there's a shot of Gallup looked like he's breaking open.

867
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: Is there just too much chaos in front of dak

868
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: to me? When you people were saying, oh, you know,

869
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: and I say, I I don't think he saw people say, No,

870
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: his eyes were over there. No. If you look at

871
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: the if you look at the end zone copy that

872
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: I get to the coach's tape, you could see that

873
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: he was clearly looking to his right to Thompson and

874
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: then he kind of comes back and then he goes

875
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: back out to think he's gonna get it out the

876
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: other way. But yeah, I mean, if it's to me,

877
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm the problem he runs into. If it's Herns out

878
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: there running, I'm thinking Herns is not going to be

879
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: fast enough to run the out and up. I did

880
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: complete a touchdown to Gallop though early in the game

881
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: where he just outran the guy and he was he

882
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: was he was clear, he was clear on the plane.

883
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: If I'm throwing the ball down the field, I'm throwing

884
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: it to Gallop every single time on the on the

885
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,439
Speaker 1: vertical run. See what happened. What happened, But he didn't

886
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: see him. He came back to him too late, and

887
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: Kerrigan had a run on him. Yeah, I just thought

888
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: maybe started. Yeah, see Kerrigan. What happened there was Karagan

889
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: was being blocked by the tight end. So Kerrigan wasn't

890
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: really being handled by an offensive tackle or a guard

891
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 1: or anything. He was rushing, he was blocking being blocked

892
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: by the tight end. And all of a sudden, when

893
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: Dak started to hold the ball, well, that gave Kerrigan

894
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: the opportunity. And then we've talked about with this with

895
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: Ryan Kerrigan forever. He never quits, he never stops on

896
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: the play. He's gonna give you effort. And that's what

897
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: he did. He just he Dak saw him flash and

898
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: he tried to spin it and it was you know,

899
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: he couldn't spin away. But and I could be totally wrong.

900
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: That's fine. They twisted, right, they twisted. He saw that. Yeah.

901
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: See people thought that he saw that. He felt that,

902
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: and then when he finally got his eyes up to

903
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: look at his receiver, he didn't see it because he

904
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: saw the flash. Saw the flash. That's exactly he went off.

905
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: His body and mind went off, and instead of him

906
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: clamping that ball and just maybe taking the two, he

907
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: tried to, you know, throw this guy, throw the ball away. Zee.

908
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: I give credit what credit is due. He don't get

909
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: no credit there because he felt that twist, yeah, right

910
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: in front of him. And then when he saw that flash.

911
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: Everybody thinking he's looking at and receive. He looking at

912
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: what's coming in him. He's looking at the rush. Yeah.

913
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: Eye level was down. Yeah. Okay, this is a tweet

914
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: from Edward or here in the last few minutes. The

915
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: controversial penalty on Cowboys LP Latticar was the result of

916
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: Redskins special teams coach Ben Katwika I don't know how

917
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 1: to pronounce his last name, noticing what he considered illegal

918
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 1: movement of ball during preparation and bringing to Jay Gruden's attention.

919
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: Gruden alerted game officials and encouraged them to watch for it.

920
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: W oh I told him, but it was a constant chatter.

921
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 1: I told I say, man, all night, they've been chattering,

922
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 1: but the all night. But the official who's responsible for

923
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: the safety of the center. I mean, you're not allowed

924
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: to line up and chuck the center. And all that

925
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: is the is the side judge. The guy's last name

926
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: is Pain. He is the one that did not make

927
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: the call, and he is directly looking at the center.

928
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you one thing. There was a time

929
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: when they kick another I don't know if there's a

930
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: field goal, extra point. LP takes the ball and moves

931
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: it from one side, picks it up, moves it from

932
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: one side all the way to the middle to get

933
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: it set. I mean literally picks the ball up. And

934
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: I went back and watched every field goal and extra

935
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: point and I said, okay, is there a pattern here?

936
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what. Sundberg the center for them.

937
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: He takes the ball, he moves it up, he moves

938
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: it back, and then he snaps it every time. So

939
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: these these these centers have things that they go, mannerisms

940
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: that they go to. It's like a picture getting ready

941
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: to pitch the baseball. But they but LP literally took

942
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: his hand, picked up the ball to his left and

943
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: moved it back to the center, then moved it up

944
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: and then yeah, and the way and what drew what

945
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 1: drew Alan and those guys off sides was LP puts

946
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: the ball up on the nose and then when he's

947
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 1: getting ready to put his guide hand on there, he

948
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: tilts the ball down and that's what got them off side.

949
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: You know what got a offside? The coaches on the side,

950
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: they were they remember you had Okay, there was a

951
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: timeout right to review the Beasley play, right, Okay, I

952
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: guarantee they're talking about because they knew that the Cowboys

953
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: were getting in position to kick a field right and

954
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: it was gonna be a long range field goal, right, Okay.

955
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: I guarantee you that those officials, those coaches told the

956
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: redskin players jump. See that's where I I because they don't.

957
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: They don't get the call. They don't You're right if

958
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: they don't. If they don't jump, that the call because

959
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: like I said, yeah, go ahead. And the other thing

960
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: that it was the inside guy jumped first, right, and

961
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: then the guy that came across right he jumped because

962
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: the inside guy he didn't do it because of the

963
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: of the ball. I thought maybe that Redman whose plays

964
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: tackle flinched. I thought the initial okay, Redman flinched, and

965
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: that drew. He's the backup guy, I mean for us

966
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: he I thought maybe he fled and drew because LP.

967
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 1: The only thing LP did was he puts the ball

968
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: in the nose and then when he's ready to snap it,

969
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: he tilts it down. He just takes it. Yeah. Well, no,

970
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: it's just his hands. It looked like to me it

971
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: was one of those things. If they would have called Redmond,

972
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 1: I would have said, that's close. I don't think any

973
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: of that matter. I think what happened the officials ahead

974
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: of time to watch for it, and then they coach

975
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: their play. This the whole game. They chirped this the

976
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: whole game. If this situation arises, it's like you've been

977
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: setting a corner up the old game and now here

978
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, but there's they don't get the call

979
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: unless they jump. You're right, because there was. Seriously, there

980
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: was one time that lats are with his right hand,

981
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: the ball is outside, he's in his stance. He picks

982
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: up the ball and moves it to the middle. I

983
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: mean literally picks it up, moves it to the middle

984
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: and sets it down. This is something LP is. He's

985
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: a fidgety guy. But I watched I watched their center too,

986
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: and he has been for fifteen years. Yeah, I mean yeah,

987
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: Now there's times if this is a fourth and one,

988
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: you're trying to draw them to get you know, you

989
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: know that's a smart play. I mean, I've seen centers

990
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 1: squeeze the ball. I've seen centers move it in their hand,

991
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: you know, trying to get somebody to jump. But but

992
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: the thing that bothered me was the official who's responsible

993
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: for the center did not make the call. It was

994
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: the judge and it was actually the line judge on

995
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: I believe it was on the Cowboys side of the field,

996
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: which which the side of the field that the guy

997
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: the players jump from right right. And I promise you

998
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: they got a guy full guys to sitting over there

999
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: with doing the same show that we did, saying well,

1000
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: how smart were it is? But it's something that LP

1001
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: always if you can, I promise you we go back

1002
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: and watch every snap he's ever had he picks the ball,

1003
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: and go back and watch all centers around the National

1004
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: Football League. Again. I went back and watched Sunburg. The

1005
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: center for them sounds like we got out coached well.

1006
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: And then the other the other key on that is

1007
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: to have more than one player jump yeah, because that

1008
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: leads the official to believe that something to see. That's

1009
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 1: why I thought Redmond I thought, that's why I thought

1010
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 1: Redmond might have moved a little bit. And that's where

1011
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: I was kind of thinking, oh cheez, that's what happened there.

1012
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: But there was no ins LP did not need the

1013
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: Cowboys did not need the extra five yards at that point.

1014
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: But they have been nice that he was good from

1015
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 1: forty seven earlier in the game. See that was saying

1016
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: his range if fifty two gets a little more, does

1017
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: get a little dicey. And that's why we were kind

1018
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: of talking about do you get you run one more played,

1019
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: you run a play to try and get him seven

1020
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: or eight more yards. And then if it is and

1021
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: if there is a penalty, okay, it's a forty two

1022
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: yard field goal now. But my point on that is,

1023
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: if the risk was not worth the reward of the

1024
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: five yards, if LP was trying to douce, yeah, I

1025
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: don't think was trying to do anything. I don't think,

1026
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: but let's say, like in the official's mind, he was Yeah, okay,

1027
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 1: manipulating the rules exactly, and but he there was the

1028
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: risk was too great for him to do that. I

1029
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: didn't see anything different than any matter of fact. A

1030
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: matter of fact, again, there was one he had that

1031
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: where he literally picked up the ball was outside his

1032
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: when he was he picks up the ball and moves

1033
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: it physically picks it up and moves it to get

1034
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: into position. But Edward just text right tweet that they

1035
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: they had this already put in play, right they so

1036
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: so thank you for clearing that up. Because great speculation

1037
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: by you guys. But it's right there. It's right there,

1038
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: and they did it at the right time. Is it

1039
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: like right there? It's like it's like measuring the pine

1040
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 1: tar bat right, Yeah, it's right there. Too much curve.

1041
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: If I'm a coach and I get a call like

1042
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: that in a game, I'm gonna take credit for it.

1043
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: Yeah it's right there, me and you on the same page.

1044
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: But I take it a step further and saying why

1045
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: do you practice all these different scenarios? Sure, I'm with it,

1046
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: and get in the game with Yeah, Yeah, I'm with you.

1047
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: You can't Why practice games are two? I think this guy,

1048
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: that's another another three another three or point or less

1049
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: lost for this guy right when he likes sixteen and

1050
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: fifteen and now he's had two, he's had a win

1051
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: seventeen two losses. So yeah, he's right at seventeen seventeen

1052
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: three point games head coach three points or less, he's

1053
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: seventeen seventeen. I want to believe it is record. I

1054
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: just gotta that's kind of like that's him, all right, Rosy,

1055
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: next time we go to the Rover, Yeah, seventeen seventeen,

1056
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: that's what he is again. And this this situation, Philadelphia,

1057
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: be your next time. Okay, when we go in a

1058
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: row in this situation arises us full guys gonna be thinking,

1059
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: what go win it? Okay, I would always I'm always

1060
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: for they go win it. I'm gonna go win it, guy.

1061
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that are thinking that same thing.

1062
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go win it. Guy. Well, the coach went

1063
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: forth on fourth and one? He did? I give him

1064
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: credit for that. Yeah, he did, first or second quarters.

1065
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what if Dak Prescott wasn't really upright

1066
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: when he goes. If Dak Prescott's kind of hunchdown and

1067
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: we went watched it, he goes into that line really upright, mean,

1068
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: they got some serious push on that right side. It

1069
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: would it wouldn't matter because he would have gone on

1070
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Speaker 1: for twenty yards on his own. Rady would have gotten

1071
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: called back on that drive anyway. All right, are we

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00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: done with this edition of Hanging with the Talking Cowboys? Right? Yeah? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Well that was fun. That was a quick hour. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you. So we will be back on a regular

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Speaker 1: schedule tomorrow tomorrow, okay, and the team arriving back later

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Speaker 1: today from Washington, DC and good Field trip today. All right,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk at you again tomorrow. See you guys,