WEBVTT - Two Jersey Js: If I Could Turn Back Time 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:05.760 Hey, guys, it's Jackie Goldschneider and Jen Fessler, and we 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:07.840 are two Jersey Jays coming at you. 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:10.920 So funny, jack yeah saying two Jersey Jays me or 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:13.880 you say it, you know. 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:17.159 What, We're two Jersey Jays whoever says it. So, But 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:19.840 we have a special episode for you guys today because 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:23.479 we were talking and reminiscing and we were like, let's 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:27.880 do an episode about like all the things we were, like, 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:30.760 all the things that made our childhood so memorable and 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:33.800 so special because people love that stuff, like the nostalgia 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:37.839 and everyone has these like shared experiences, right right. 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:41.040 I mean we also we were talking about pop culture 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:42.960 maybe you know, and we will we want to do 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:45.120 an episode on just what's going on today. But as 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:47.839 we were talking about pop culture, we were like really 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:51.160 thrown back to our childhood and that pop culture seems 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:54.640 so much more important than today. And I've right so 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:56.480 much to say about it, because when I was thinking 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:59.600 about the pop culture that I loved, like so many 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:00.560 things came flooding back. 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:03.480 But let's start at the start. We had different childhoods. 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.280 You were raised in Texas. I was raised in Staten Island. 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:11.039 So let's talk about yours first. So yeah, I had. 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:15.399 A very tumultuous childhood, to say the least. 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:16.440 It was. 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:19.960 My parents were divorced and I moved to Texas when 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.800 I was nine. My mother was remarried. We'd actually moved 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:24.040 around a lot when I was a baby. I was 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:26.679 born in Louisiana. My sister was born in Columbus. 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:30.520 Ohio, and so moved to Long Island. 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.640 Like most of the Jewish friends I have now, it's 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:38.440 either Long Island or Jersey or the city or Connecticut, 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:40.759 but anyway, for us, it was Texas. So we moved 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:45.000 to Sugarland, Texas. My sister was eight and I grew 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:48.720 up in Sugarland. I graduated from high school in Houston. 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.040 It was actually performing Arts High School, and then I 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:54.600 went to college at UT Austin and graduated, and then 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.320 moved as quickly as I could to New York City. 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.639 So a little bit of a different, you know, bringing 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.600 for sure. And you know, I had and I still 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:05.840 am best friends with my cousins. My mom is an 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:08.520 identical twin, so my aunt has two daughters, and so 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:11.119 the four of us always been like sisters. But we're 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.600 always back and forth visiting them on Long Island, and 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:16.280 I think that it's so interesting, and I was always 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:19.360 so envious, like I wanted to live on Long Island. 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:20.840 But some of the. 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:24.960 Like some of the songs, some of the like I 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:26.320 bet that we're going to like know a lot of 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:29.760 the same stuff or at least like reminisce about things 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:32.440 that were special to us, and it'll be the same. 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:36.040 Even though I grew up in Texas, right, even conservative 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:42.440 also there? What was it conservative there in Texas? Yeah, yes, 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.160 I mean conservative. I lived in Sugarland, Texas, not when 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:46.760 I went So when I went to high school, I 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:48.840 went in to try out to go to the school 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.640 in the middle of Houston. It was a magnet school, 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:54.120 meaning they were pulling from all different areas of Houston, 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.680 and so the school it was such a different experience 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:01.080 than going to sugar Land Junior High or to you know, 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:05.400 Clement's High School. So the performing arts school it was. 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:09.960 Remember, so we're talking about going back to nineteen eighty 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:14.680 two when I started high school and there were tons 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:17.280 of kids were we were all a bunch of like 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:21.440 performing arts and visual arts freaks, like you know, the 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:25.080 boys were out about being gay as opposed to like 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:30.359 sugar Land, where you know, things were not at that right, right, 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:33.600 right level, but it was got boys were out about 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:37.520 being gay. They were like they so a lot of 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:45.080 like very cool kids from all different walks of life, 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:49.080 and it was just very granola and very arty and 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:53.960 very we all love each other and oh wow, it 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.400 was a great high school experience, very different from like 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:58.160 a typical high school experience. 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:01.600 Right, Yeah, it was like a kid when you were 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:04.920 a kid kid, like was your home like sort of 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:07.280 buttoned up or was it like loud? 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:11.080 And my home was not a happy place growing up, 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:14.280 So whether or not, I don't know what to No, 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:16.600 I wouldn't say that it was conservative in any way. 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:23.239 It was just very chaotic and my mom my dad 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:26.560 left my mom when I was like three, and then 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:30.400 my mom remarried and then they got divorced and then 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:34.280 remarried again, and he died he had a heart attack. 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:36.640 But also. 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:41.880 Just it wasn't there was no Brady Bunch. If we're 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:43.960 going to talk about pop culture back then, it was 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:47.280 not that kind of a scenario at all. Quite quite different. 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:51.560 Yeah, Well, I grew up in Staten Island and I 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:55.760 moved when I was almost fourteen and I moved to 0:04:55.800 --> 0:05:00.560 New Jersey, but Staten Island was the most mad place 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.800 to grow up. It was just like the houses were 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:07.000 all really close together, and all your like family and 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:10.560 best friends lived like on the same block, and everyone 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:14.240 was just always together, like outside, all the kids on 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.799 my block there was like twenty of us. We played 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.719 manhunting each other's backyards at night. We were but it 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:23.240 was gritty, like Staten Island was a little bit gritty. 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.640 I was born in Borough Park, Brooklyn, and I moved 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.880 to Staten Island as a baby, and it was just 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:31.919 like I'll tell you, my next door neighbor was my 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:34.320 very best friend in the world. And my parents don't 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:35.920 know the story, and I don't know if they listen 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:40.320 to my podcast, but we used to when we were 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.400 like ten years old. We started. We would walk around, 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:46.840 but ten years old, walk around the streets and pick 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:50.080 up old cigarettes and relight them and smoke. Oh my god, 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:54.080 I was so bye. Oh to this day, I'm not 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:57.800 just thinking about it. But we before I had a pool. 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:02.080 My brother and I used to fill up green, big 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.040 green garbage cans and get it and we used to 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:05.640 fill it up with water from the host. It was like, 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:07.800 and no one cared stat and it was just like 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:10.279 a free for all. Can I tell you a funny 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.599 story though? When I think of my childhood in Staten Island, 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:17.280 so my my parents are like a little like crazy 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:22.960 right there. They're wonderful, right, But anyway, so my dad, 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:24.680 I used to not like to go to sleep when 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.440 I was a kid, and I still don't sleep that well. 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:33.560 But outside my room there was like a light, right, 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.120 like a street light, and I guess it was controlled 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:38.040 by like a city grid or what time the lights 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:39.840 come on, what time they go off, And it used 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:41.640 to come on every night at nine o'clock. But I 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.599 didn't know that that was controlled by another like entity, right, 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.920 So my father used to tell me that the light 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:51.120 outside my room was the Darth Vader light, and Darth 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.599 Vader when the light came on, it meant Darth Vader 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:57.080 was in the area looking for children who weren't sleeping, 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.440 and that, oh my god, if I was a wait 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:05.480 Darth Vader, darth Vader would bite my arm off. So, 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.480 oh my god, every night at nine o'clock, whether or 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:10.600 not I was tired, I was like my eyes were 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:12.840 fucking shut, and I was like shuddering under the because 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:15.120 the light would come on. It was terrifying. And then 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:18.440 one time my parents took me to somewhere like Atlantic City, 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.360 Ocean City, whatever, and we went to this like they 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:23.480 had like a carnival, and there was like this little 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.160 ride and we went into this ride and it was 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:27.800 like a spaceship that shut and Darth Vader came out 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:32.000 and I freakd o you poor little things? Oh my god, 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.600 Oh my god. I still remember it was so vivid. 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:37.440 But Staten Island was so fun. 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:49.360 The parents like the things that they got away with 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.320 quote unquote, I guess, I mean I org and even 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:52.960 just like adults. 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.080 So I went to sugar Land. 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:59.240 I started out in whatever elementary school and it was 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:02.800 called I don't remember sugar Lyne Junior. 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:03.600 I don't remember. 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:07.720 But anyway, so at this elementary school, I was nine 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:10.080 years old. If you were bad, you had to go 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:12.840 to the principal's office and you would get popped. He 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:17.960 had a big paddle in a way. Yes wow, now 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.000 like sitting on and like you have to imagine that, 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:24.280 did day, sweetheart bend over the table because I'm gonna 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:25.280 smack you with this paddle? 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:29.040 Can you imagine this shit. I can't believe even back then, Like, 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:31.280 I can't believe because I'd never my I don't think 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.800 my parents would ever be okay with like someone hitting me. 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.360 I don't think I ever got hit for whatever reason. 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:41.440 Maybe my mom wrote a letter, maybe they had to 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.559 have permission, but it was always kind of looming. 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.120 And so this was we're talking about nineteen seventy eight. 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:50.040 I mean, you weren't even born yet. No, I was born. 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.400 I was born in seventy six. Oh you were all right, Yeah, 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:57.160 I'm a baby seventy six. I was born in sixty eight, 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:58.959 so or only eight years apart. 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.760 So, but I mean imagine like and also like you, 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:07.240 even in Sugarland, we used to run around, you know, 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:13.200 playing war with forts, and I was always outside. I 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:15.360 mean this that you hear. We all have this kind 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:16.840 of the same story. I mean, the world is so 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:18.960 different now you have to have organized playdates. My mother 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:20.559 name never made me a playdate. 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.599 You kidding me? Now? I remember all these these kids, 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.240 and I wonder what happened to them. A lot of 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:30.880 them are not on social media. I was always boy crazy, 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:33.880 and so I've looked just to see what they look like. 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:35.959 Now like the boys that I had to pitchbrushes on 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:38.160 a lot of them I can't find. But there was 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:42.320 even in kindergarten. I went to Montessori School in Staten Island, 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:45.280 and I, at five years old, was my first crush 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:48.560 and I was just infatuated with this kid, Jerome, and 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:54.959 I drew hearts all over his picture in my yearbook 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:56.760 at five years old, Jackie. 0:09:56.840 --> 0:10:00.040 I was in love at five years old and I 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.040 was the first. I was the only kindergartener that got 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:06.120 to the first grade play to play Susie Snowflake because 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:07.920 I had to try out and dance, and all I 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.760 could think about was Philip Wilner, who I'm now I 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:15.160 facebooked him years and years later. I gave him when 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.480 we moved to Texas. I mean he was to me then. 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:19.880 He was a little guy with glasses. All the girls 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.120 loved him, and I think I gave him my hamster 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:27.319 like before we moved to Houston. And oh but that's 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:29.080 the reason why I got to be Susie Snowplake, because 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:32.000 he picked me to dance like in choir with him. 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:35.440 I don't know, I just remember the obsession and I 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.000 was like you, I was five starts early. 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.560 Yeah, I mean, I guess for some people it starts early. 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:45.240 For I don't know, Rachel, I did my daughter. 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:47.720 My mother used to get upset because Rachel would follow 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:49.960 when workers would come in when my mother was babysitting. 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.640 She would go stand like the window in the back 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.720 and watch them working in the backyard, like we had landscapers, 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.440 and it would bug my mother, and it bugged me 0:10:58.520 --> 0:10:59.800 that it bugged my mother. I'm like, what do you 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:03.000 think here is happening? I think Rachel wants to you know, 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:06.640 like gross, But she was just for whatever reason, she 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:07.880 used to like follow there. 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:11.439 Like in Texas, there are like different names for like 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:15.560 the types of groups. Like in Saten Island, there was 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.120 I guess you would call it now like their version 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.840 of goth. They called him a critter. So like a 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:26.400 critter was somebody who was like a cool goth, like 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:30.120 you wore like the dark jacket. You were all like emo, 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:32.679 you are like leather and like you listen to heavy 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:34.600 metal and like the only thing I wanted out of 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:39.520 life was to be a critter. And then the but 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:41.559 if you like weren't cool and you were a critter, 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:43.200 you were just like a dirt bag. Like everyone would 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.240 just call you it, everyone call you a dirt peg. 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:47.960 We did not just want to have that critter. The 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:51.439 problem is that I had I was like darkened emo 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:55.480 and like had this big hair and my hair was huge, enormous. 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.439 And then when I moved to New Jersey my freshman 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:02.440 year of high school, people weren't quite so over the top, 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:06.560 Like my hair was really big, and my family was 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:10.160 really loud, and like, I just think that I from 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.400 the jump did not fit in there and had a 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:16.480 really really hard time in high school. Sounds like you. 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:22.080 Had despite really really yeah, well yes, but in elementary school. 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:27.200 At one point my mom and my first stepfather they 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:30.720 separated and so we moved in with my dad in 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:33.400 New York City, my sister and I and he had 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:37.440 apartment in the city, and we ended up going to 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:39.800 private school like Horace Man. I mean, there was so 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.240 much moving around for us. And then we went back 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:46.880 to my mom when she got divorced and we started 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:52.880 Sugarland Junior High and I remember it was so it 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:56.240 was awkward, it was so horrible. I felt so like 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:57.840 a fish out of water. First of all, we were 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:01.000 like the only Jewish girls in the neighborhood much less 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:06.120 like the school, right, And I remember like my mom 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:08.920 dropping me off at a class and she went because 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:10.480 this is like how they talked back then, and my 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:11.360 mother waved, She's. 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:14.240 Like bye pussy bye pussy cat. 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:17.000 And I had like you, I mean, this is these 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:18.680 are the days before carrot. And I used to sit 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:22.440 behind this girl, Carrie and struggling junior high, and she 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:24.280 would go like she would with the back of her hand. 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.480 She would just like go her down her hair like 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.400 this and it was all smooth and silky. And I 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:31.280 would put mine like this and it had like a 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:35.040 big frizzy hard ridge and then another ridge, and I 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:38.800 just remember all I wanted was to have like that smooth, 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:43.000 silky hair. It was like, I mean, I guess junior 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:44.880 high's not easy for anyone. I don't think that my 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.400 kids would look back and say it was so great necessarily, 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:51.200 but I don't remember it being very fun. Yeah, we're 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.320 totally getting it's like our whole childhoods and we're forgetting 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:54.520 all about pop culture stuff. 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:56.920 But I know we could talk about pop culture, but 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:01.080 I so I moved it high school. Well, we're going 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.600 to talk about pop culture in a second, but I'm 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:08.000 all good. I moved in high school to New Jersey, 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:11.080 and I had a really hard time in high school. 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.080 I did not fit in there, and I think from 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:15.960 the beginning I was sort of like lost, and I 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:18.960 never I just never found myself. But I when I left, 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.600 I kind of left forever. I don't really go back. 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:27.000 But my sweet sixteen I just invited like the whole 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:28.920 freaking school because I didn't care. I had it in 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.080 like a wedding venue. It was so big and fancy, 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.760 and I invited this guy from like the next town 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:37.640 who I had a huge crush on, and he was older, 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:40.800 he was seventeen. He drove already, and he came alone, 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.080 and my friend Jen hooked up with him, and I got, 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:45.120 so you put this. I feel like I've read this 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.880 in your book. Is this in your book? I don't know. 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:50.080 I might have just told you. But I had this 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:54.440 like slam book, like a sign in book at my party, 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:56.440 and like you could sign in and write a little 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:59.000 message on it. And she wrote me like a chapter 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:02.400 at the end of the book, all about why I 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:04.920 shouldn't be mad at her and why she liked him first. 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.400 And I was just the whole experience was just so miserable. 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:11.760 And I wore this pink taffeta dress that was so 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.640 ugly and I was really overweight and I couldn't find 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:17.000 a dress so I had it made, and like it 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:22.960 was just horrible. It was just horrible, horrible. Yeah, high 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:24.720 school was my escape. You know. 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.960 It was like because again it was so we're talking 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:32.560 about Houston, Texas in nineteen eighty two, but it was 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:35.280 like again, I was a misfit and it was just 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.320 the land of misfits at my high school and we 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:41.040 all just were everybody accepted, everybody, you know, and it 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:45.760 was just I'm so grateful for that experience, but it 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:48.680 was a total nightmare in junior high and in elementary school. 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:50.680 And you still have a lot of high school friends. 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:54.080 My three of my very best friends. I'm going to Houston. 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:55.680 I think I did I mention that to you. I'm 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.920 going to Houston, first time back since I left. One 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.120 of the three of them was in Houston, and we're 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:05.200 going to go to Rodeo. So I have to go 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.320 to California and then I'm going to go to Houston 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:08.920 because I've been wanting to just go to Rodeo with 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:10.760 her for so long. I'm going to go see old Dominion. 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:14.920 I am so excited. So again, I haven't been back 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.360 to Houston. Yeah, it's really but we all the four 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.160 of us get together every year. My friend has a 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:25.040 house in on the western Shore of Maryland. Eastern Shore. 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:27.440 Oh yeah, I remember you going last year. 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:30.840 Yeah, I got you over here. My mind is so lately, 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:32.320 I just can't keep a thought. 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:37.880 Pause. All right, So then let's talk about some pop culture. 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:42.240 So when I think of the things that got me 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:44.760 through the eighties, so I had I was very much. 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:47.920 My parents worked full time. I'm a strange. I've always 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:51.200 been a strange from my sister, my brother I love dearly. 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:59.040 He's disabled. And so after after a certain age, it's 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:04.119 sort of like it was, it was hard to like 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:09.480 socialize together as easily, you know, So I kind of 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:13.000 would disappear into my own world and just I watched 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:16.320 a lot of TV, read a lot of books. 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:18.639 Yeah, I read a lot of flowers in the attic. 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.080 It was that your generation or is it just mine? 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:24.239 Yeah? Yes, and I and I love that. But what 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.600 I really loved, when I think of the books I 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.679 loved was I would devour the sweet Valley High and 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.199 Sweet Valley Trends series? Did you watch that? Did you 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:36.159 read that? Oh god? I was absolutely obsessed, And like, 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.199 I think about it because my kids don't love reading, 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.200 and they're smart kids, but they absolutely never read a 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:45.160 book ever since the schools. I guess at a certain 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.320 age they stopped like making you read a certain number 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:49.720 of minutes at night. And I don't think they've picked 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:50.200 them with books. 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.920 Oh, I mean everything is everything goes back to social media, right, 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:57.640 Like there was no we weren't communicating with our friends 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:01.120 at unless you know, you were on the house phone. 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:03.199 There was no cell phone and you had nothing to 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:05.920 do if like let's say, I mean I was grounded 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.639 all the time and for whatever reason, it was just 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:10.600 crazy in my house, and so I would just read. 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:12.200 I wouldn't be allowed to watch TV, so I would 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.600 read and I would Really I'm grateful for that, right, 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:16.480 It's like, yeah, me too. 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.720 Oh and Judy Bloom did you read it? Obviously Judy 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:23.159 Bloom the best, the best, loved reading really and then 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:24.200 like you did you. 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:27.239 Sneak like Wifey? I don't know that was like her 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:28.760 sexy book? Oh my god? 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:33.000 Oh no. I also a fourth grade nothing. Oh. I 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:36.560 loved Yeah. But I also I loved are There God 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:39.280 is Me? Margaret? I loved Sneaking a dirty movie. I 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:42.560 loved it. Like when I saw Porky's for the first time, 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.480 I was like, what is this shit? I was? I 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:46.080 loved it. 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:49.520 Wifey was a Judy Bloom book that was like spicy. Oh, 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:51.720 and then the other one was the one she wrote 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:55.920 about the girl she lost her virginity. Then they broke up. 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:59.919 Come on, remember I don't know. I was read everything 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:01.080 Beauty Bloom of. 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:06.560 Yeah, I loved it. But TV was really like I 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:11.960 would plan every night around what was on TV. Different 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:16.240 strokes might have been my favorite. Okay, the episode when 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:18.040 and when I think of it, I think of the 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:22.800 episode where Arnold and his friend Dudley went to the 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:25.960 bike store bike store, do you remember this one? And 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:32.000 the bike shop owner tried to molest them? Do you 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:35.600 don't remember this? And it was such a pivotal episode 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:38.639 because I was horrified by it. But I also couldn't 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:41.480 believe what I was watching on Like TV, do you remember? 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:42.840 Stuff like that would come up? 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:48.040 Like good Times and where Janet Jackson she was like 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:53.960 she ended up living with uh JJ and like the 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:55.600 whole family. Did you watch Good Times? 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:58.560 Yeah? I loved it, and she her mother took that 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:01.879 iron to her like was abusive. They were upstairs. I 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:02.399 don't remember. 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:04.800 I don't remember that. I mean that this is the 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:07.240 crap that used to like, yeah, keep me up at night, 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:13.479 but it was. I just remember being so horrified. I mean, 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:15.320 I guess my kids obviously have seen things on TV 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:17.159 that I'm sure they felt the same way about. But 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:21.560 there's so much that I think though back to I 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:22.160 was so young. 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:27.080 My other favorite episode from childhood was the pilot episode 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:31.760 of the Wonder Years where Winnie and Kevin kissed and 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:34.560 I felt like I was having my first kiss. It 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:38.760 was the best episode. Oh god, I feel like I 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:40.320 want to watch it again today. It was the most 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:40.920 funny things. 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:45.919 We're so yes, so we're eight years apart, and that 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:49.879 was so past my time, like this, Yeah, I mean 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:53.399 I watched it. Watch you probably watched like Dallas and 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:57.800 of course, and what was the one with Holkins Crest? 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:03.200