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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, it's Jackie Goldschneider and Jen Fessler, and we

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Speaker 1: are two Jersey Jays coming at you.

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Speaker 2: So funny, jack yeah saying two Jersey Jays me or

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Speaker 2: you say it, you know.

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Speaker 1: What, We're two Jersey Jays whoever says it. So, But

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Speaker 1: we have a special episode for you guys today because

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Speaker 1: we were talking and reminiscing and we were like, let's

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Speaker 1: do an episode about like all the things we were, like,

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Speaker 1: all the things that made our childhood so memorable and

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Speaker 1: so special because people love that stuff, like the nostalgia

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Speaker 1: and everyone has these like shared experiences, right right.

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Speaker 2: I mean we also we were talking about pop culture

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Speaker 2: maybe you know, and we will we want to do

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Speaker 2: an episode on just what's going on today. But as

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Speaker 2: we were talking about pop culture, we were like really

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Speaker 2: thrown back to our childhood and that pop culture seems

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Speaker 2: so much more important than today. And I've right so

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Speaker 2: much to say about it, because when I was thinking

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Speaker 2: about the pop culture that I loved, like so many

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Speaker 2: things came flooding back.

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Speaker 1: But let's start at the start. We had different childhoods.

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Speaker 1: You were raised in Texas. I was raised in Staten Island.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about yours first. So yeah, I had.

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Speaker 2: A very tumultuous childhood, to say the least.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 2: My parents were divorced and I moved to Texas when

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Speaker 2: I was nine. My mother was remarried. We'd actually moved

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Speaker 2: around a lot when I was a baby. I was

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Speaker 2: born in Louisiana. My sister was born in Columbus.

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Speaker 1: Ohio, and so moved to Long Island.

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Speaker 2: Like most of the Jewish friends I have now, it's

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Speaker 2: but anyway, for us, it was Texas. So we moved

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Speaker 2: to Sugarland, Texas. My sister was eight and I grew

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Speaker 2: up in Sugarland. I graduated from high school in Houston.

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Speaker 2: It was actually performing Arts High School, and then I

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Speaker 2: went to college at UT Austin and graduated, and then

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Speaker 2: moved as quickly as I could to New York City.

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Speaker 2: So a little bit of a different, you know, bringing

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Speaker 2: for sure. And you know, I had and I still

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Speaker 2: am best friends with my cousins. My mom is an

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Speaker 2: the four of us always been like sisters. But we're

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Speaker 2: always back and forth visiting them on Long Island, and

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Speaker 2: I think that it's so interesting, and I was always

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Speaker 1: But some of the.

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Speaker 2: Like some of the songs, some of the like I

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Speaker 2: bet that we're going to like know a lot of

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Speaker 2: the same stuff or at least like reminisce about things

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Speaker 2: that were special to us, and it'll be the same.

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Speaker 1: Even though I grew up in Texas, right, even conservative

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Speaker 1: I mean conservative. I lived in Sugarland, Texas, not when

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Speaker 1: I went So when I went to high school, I

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Speaker 1: meaning they were pulling from all different areas of Houston,

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Speaker 1: and so the school it was such a different experience

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Speaker 1: Clement's High School. So the performing arts school it was.

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Speaker 2: Remember, so we're talking about going back to nineteen eighty

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Speaker 2: two when I started high school and there were tons

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Speaker 2: was a great high school experience, very different from like

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it was like a kid when you were

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Speaker 2: And my home was not a happy place growing up,

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Speaker 2: So whether or not, I don't know what to No,

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Speaker 2: It was just very chaotic and my mom my dad

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Speaker 2: Just it wasn't there was no Brady Bunch. If we're

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Speaker 2: not that kind of a scenario at all. Quite quite different.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I grew up in Staten Island and I

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Speaker 1: story though? When I think of my childhood in Staten Island,

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Speaker 1: But outside my room there was like a light, right,

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Speaker 1: So my father used to tell me that the light

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Speaker 1: But Staten Island was so fun.

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Speaker 2: The parents like the things that they got away with

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Speaker 2: quote unquote, I guess, I mean I org and even

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Speaker 1: So I went to sugar Land.

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Speaker 2: I started out in whatever elementary school and it was

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Speaker 2: But anyway, so at this elementary school, I was nine

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine this shit. I can't believe even back then, Like,

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Speaker 2: I don't think I ever got hit for whatever reason.

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Speaker 2: Maybe my mom wrote a letter, maybe they had to

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Speaker 1: And so this was we're talking about nineteen seventy eight.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you weren't even born yet. No, I was born.

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Speaker 1: I was born in seventy six. Oh you were all right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm a baby seventy six. I was born in sixty eight,

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Speaker 1: so or only eight years apart.

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Speaker 2: So, but I mean imagine like and also like you,

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Speaker 2: could think about was Philip Wilner, who I'm now I

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Speaker 2: the reason why I got to be Susie Snowplake, because

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I just remember the obsession and I

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Speaker 2: was like you, I was five starts early.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess for some people it starts early.

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Speaker 1: For I don't know, Rachel, I did my daughter.

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Speaker 2: My mother used to get upset because Rachel would follow

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Speaker 1: Like in Texas, there are like different names for like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved it. But TV was really like I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I never watched it, but all those things were

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Speaker 2: kind of pivotal ages. But I was nine years old

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00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:44,640
Speaker 2: and we were plunk down right in the middle of Sugarland, Texas,

437
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 2: and I just remember missing Long Island so much, probably

438
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 2: much like you missed Staten Island. Like for me Long

439
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 2: I my parents were divorced when I was three, but

440
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 2: my cousins were there, and I had always just wanted

441
00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 2: to go back. I think that's why I probably ended

442
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 2: up moving so quickly back to New York City after

443
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 2: I graduated college.

444
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: I just was like it always felt like my home.

445
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 2: And it's funny because I've never been back to Houston

446
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 2: since I left after I graduated college, and it feels

447
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 2: like New Jersey is my absolute home. Like I've spent

448
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 2: more time here than anywhere else, and this is I

449
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 2: just keep looking at my extension sticking out no time

450
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 2: to get the movie.

451
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: Can I tell you two things that I was obsessed

452
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: with and growing up archie comics. I would wait until

453
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,719
Speaker 1: I think they were released every Tuesday or Thursday, and

454
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 1: my dad would take me to the store and I'd

455
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 1: buy every single one and I would just devour them.

456
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 1: And actually, the very first time that I was published

457
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: was in an archie comic. I was just a kid.

458
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: They had this like writing contest in the back, and

459
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 1: I wrote an article and sent it in and they

460
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 1: published that in the back of an Archie comic and

461
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 1: I was I felt so high. I was so excited.

462
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: And then in high school, actually, I don't know if

463
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: I ever told you this, I was and I still am.

464
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: I just don't talk about it, but absolutely obsessed with

465
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: the Beatles. Like every inch of my room was covered

466
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 1: in Beatles posters. I wore this jacket I still have it.

467
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: That was an airbrush picture of John Lennon. On the

468
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: back was a turquoise jacket and it had I had.

469
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 1: I would cover it in pins. I would just go

470
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 1: to vigage stores all day. I'd go to Beatlemania twice

471
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: a year. My mom would just drop me off at

472
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 1: the meadle Lands Hotel and I would just roam around

473
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: all day and all I wanted to be was a hippie,

474
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 1: and I just I knew every word of every Beatles song.

475
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: I knew how to play every song on the piano.

476
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: It brought me a lot of comfort. I was very

477
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: lonely in high school, super lonely, and the Beatles were like,

478
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 1: as long as I had them, I didn't care. I

479
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: think I just needed something to escape into. But I

480
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 1: to this day absolutely love their music. That is that's

481
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: so interesting because I like something that was so important

482
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: to you right back then, that you were so obsessed with,

483
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,719
Speaker 1: and I mean now I don't even know that about you. Yeah,

484
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: I had a lot of that, of course.

485
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 2: I mean I remember going to certain movies like Footloose,

486
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 2: my sister too, and when it was over we were

487
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 2: we would cry that Kevin Bacon wasn't our boyfriend? Or

488
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: how about Sound of Music? Were you a Sound of

489
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 2: Music girl?

490
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: Not really? So? Sound of Music was.

491
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Speaker 2: My all time instill is my all time favorite movie,

492
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: and I watched it, but they didn't. There was no

493
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 2: such thing until I was probably in high school. We

494
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 2: didn't even have forget about like, we didn't have Netflix,

495
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: we didn't you weren't able to watch that movie until

496
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: it came out on your network TV once a year

497
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 2: at Christmas time, right, well, speaking of I was a

498
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 2: Blockbuster video that was like but I remember just oh

499
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 2: it was the.

500
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: Smell of a video store. Oh my god, I loved it.

501
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: I love the smell of like the paper boxes. And

502
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 1: then you had to ask for the video, but like, no,

503
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: if the movie was in stock, the black cassette was

504
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: behind the box, and it was so exciting to like

505
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: see the movie you wanted and then the video was

506
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: actually there. Yep. That was the best in sant Island.

507
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: It was called selective video. And then Blockbuster took over everything.

508
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: But you know what, I remember so much, like these

509
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: sounds were like the most exciting for me was the

510
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: intro of an HBO movie when you were a kid,

511
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: and it was like you go from like a living

512
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: room and suddenly the camera's like soaring over a neighborhood

513
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: and then it goes up into the sky. Do you

514
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: remember this? And it's like the Superhero music? And I

515
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: don't remember there being HBO when I was little. Yeah,

516
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: And then like the big silver HBO letters were like

517
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: turning in the sky and then they burst into like

518
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: a technicolor. You don't remember that it was like like

519
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: a punch of fucking wall. It was so excited to me. Yeah,

520
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: it was the best.

521
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 2: I mean, I remember which which studio is with the

522
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 2: roaring let the Roaring Lion. Oh mgm mgm like that

523
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: those those are you know. That's back when I was

524
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: a kid. We were watching Wizard of Oz, which was

525
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: could have watched it all day every day. Sound of

526
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: music was my absolute, absolute favorite. And again like you

527
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 2: had to wait for the holidays for this stuff to

528
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: come on.

529
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: You couldn't just And speaking of the holidays, I used

530
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: to call that one. There was a one eight hundred

531
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: number for a one nine hundred number, sorry, which charges

532
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: a lot of money for Santa, and I was like

533
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: the only little Jewish girl in my neighborhood. Instead, I

534
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: never was Italian, and I would just call Santa over

535
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: and over and over. I didn't know that I was

536
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: racking up. That is so cute. That is so cute.

537
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: I don't remember my childhood phone number, by the way,

538
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: I don't remember my kids' names half the time, but

539
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: I remember childhood phone number.

540
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 2: You want to say it or maybe it's uh, maybe

541
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 2: you don't want to No, No, it was somebody nine four, eight, eight,

542
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: five six one.

543
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: I doubt it's anyone. Sorry, I remember the numbers.

544
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 2: And I said this to my family the other day

545
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 2: of this guy who I dated right before Jeff, And

546
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 2: like I, I don't know why I will always know

547
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 2: his phone number.

548
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: It's very strange. I couldn't remember. I can tell you

549
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: anybody else childhood phone number, his cell number, No, his

550
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: his office number. We don't you think it was cell phones? Oh?

551
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: And we have done here? And what do want to say? This?

552
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: You watch?

553
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: This is what it was Happy Days, love Boat and

554
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: Fantasy Island.

555
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I really I watched Saturday Nights, but

556
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: I was a little young for it. I liked it,

557
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: I didn't love it. I loved stupid shit, Like what

558
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: was the spin off of The Cosby Show with Lisa

559
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: Bonett where they went to college?

560
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: The college college. Yeah, it was Lisa Bonet. It was

561
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: Lisa Bonett. I wasn't into that different.

562
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: Different world. Oh it was so good? Oh is not

563
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: my thing so good?

564
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 2: Back then there were so many like when I think

565
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: about Happy Days, you don't watch your first concert, not

566
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: really with all things, I want a concert on the radio.

567
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: And it was yes, And I didn't even know their

568
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: music at all. But when I won, I remember, I

569
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: know the days the radio would have a contest and

570
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 2: you'd have to pick up your phone and call and

571
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: call and call and call and call.

572
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: And I won it.

573
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: For me, it didn't matter what it was. I remember screaming,

574
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe that I won. Oh, and then back

575
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: you probably were, so it was like a whole new

576
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: wave era. Maybe in the eighties you had some of that,

577
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: but like it was Duran Duran and Boy George. So

578
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: my high school, we had to collect the most PoCA

579
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: Cola tabs or something and then you could have Duran

580
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: Duran come to your school. So we were pretty small school.

581
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 2: They came and I remember it was as if, I

582
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: don't know.

583
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: The.

584
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: Most incredible. It was like out of body that Duran

585
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: Duran is huge and they're still around. I still kind

586
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: of hear them sometimes, but that they were coming to

587
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: our school was it was just everything.

588
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved I did love Duran Duran, but they

589
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: were more like my older sister loved them more. I

590
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: loved buon Jovi. I had a life sized poster of

591
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: bun Jovi on my door, my bedroom door, and he

592
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: was the first concert I went to. And actually I

593
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: was really really like enthralled by the idea of hookers

594
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: when I was little, say what and what does that mean?

595
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like my parents when they used to

596
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: take us to see a play in the city and

597
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: we used to drive down the West Side Highway. I

598
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: was like my eyes were peeled for hookers. I thought

599
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: they were the most interesting human beings in the world.

600
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: And like, if I saw a woman standing on the

601
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: side of the road, I would just ask my parents,

602
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: is that a hooker? She a hooker? And I thought

603
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: everyone at this Bonnjovie concert, So I was young, and

604
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: we went with my mom and my mom's friend and

605
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: her daughter who was a little older, and her daughter

606
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: had some friends there, and they were dressed in like

607
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: skimpy clothes, and I thought all the women there were hookers.

608
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: I just I just was so intrigued by the idea

609
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: of hookers.

610
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 2: I went on a teen tour I guess I was

611
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: high school, and we went to Amsterdam and they had

612
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: the red Light District, and I remember that being the

613
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: most that we went to, like five countries and five

614
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: weeks something like ridiculous, And but that was the most.

615
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: Maybe like you, I was obsessed with hookers. But that

616
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: was like the most fascinating part of the whole trip

617
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: was seen like these women in the windows with their

618
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: red lights on.

619
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: I know. I think because you start to realize, like

620
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: when you're home, you feel like everyone is like you, right, yeah,

621
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: and then when you step outside and you start to

622
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: realize there's a bigger world out there, everything is just

623
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: so interesting. Yeah. Yeah, But I loved I loved bon Jovie.

624
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: I loved Debbie Gibson so much. Oh my god, Debbie

625
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: Gibson everything about her, her perfumes, her music. And she

626
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: was young. I think she was like.

627
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: Around I had like share Barbie dolls like I was

628
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: like that was my generation I was.

629
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: I had Michael Jackson trading cards. Did you have? Oh god,

630
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: I love them. I had Michael Jackson trading cards everywhere

631
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: all over my room. And the clothing. See this is

632
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: why I hoard my clothing now, is because I wish,

633
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: but I want nothing more than my fucking hot doggers

634
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: back did you ear hot doggers? But it's like this

635
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: parachute material fluorescent jumpsuit.

636
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: I remember when I'd go to Long Island would buy it.

637
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: They were called hot doggers, but they were like literally fluorescent,

638
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: like they were like all those different like as bright

639
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 2: as you can with that.

640
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: I have a picture of me in mine with my

641
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: big hair on like a phone with like a spiral

642
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: cord in my childhood bedroom. It was the best. We

643
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: had these pants called skids, did you have? I remember, yeah,

644
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: I love them. And you used to do French cuff

645
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: them and wear like four pairs of scrunchy socks with them.

646
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: And then we had everyone wore with like a Champion

647
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: sweatshirt and it was like the coolest avenage sweashirts was

648
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: so like hard and stiff. Oh yeah, and used to

649
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: wear them like in college.

650
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: I was, you know, I was big girl, and the

651
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: only thing I remember wearing is be you. I started

652
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: out at Austin like you, but I wear the BU

653
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: sweatshirts down to my knees with eg's weren't what the

654
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: socks were those scrunchy eg's at the bottom.

655
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Speaker 1: I don't remember if they were egs, but they were

656
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: like big scrungey socks and you wore like a bunch

657
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: of pairs like kiled onto each other, big scrunchies.

658
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god, such a cat fashion, right, but those things.

659
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: I think I wore one of those to Melissa Gorga

660
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: is the first. I don't know if that was the

661
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 2: first scene, but season thirteen, remember she had that roller

662
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: skating eighties roller skating party. Yeah, and I think I

663
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 2: wore that out, but I wore those like.

664
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Speaker 1: Oh no, I need to go back and look at

665
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Speaker 1: what you wore. What do you do with all your

666
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: li like stuff from the show that, like, is not

667
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: something you could wear again? Throw it out or give

668
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: it away? Give it away? Do not really throw it out? Yeah,

669
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: you know what I have a problem with. I know

670
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: this is taking a totally different turn, but like in

671
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: my closet, if I have things that I wore and

672
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: I had a bad episode, I don't want to wear

673
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: them again, even if they're Did you watch the after

674
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: school specials on ABC? Of course? Oh my god? The

675
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: lead in song to that, if you go back and

676
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: listen to it, I don't remember it. How did it go?

677
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: Do you remember? It was like instrumental, It was like

678
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: a trumpet speaking of just songs that opened up you

679
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: know Schoolhouse Rock? Did you we school House Rock? I did? Yeah.

680
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 2: I watched a lot of cartoons too, like Sunday morning.

681
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: How about the comics on Sunday morning and cartoons on

682
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: Sunday morning. Like we got so excited.

683
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: I used to take like a mixing goal and put

684
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: in every single type of cereal that I had, like

685
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: an entire bucket of milk, and sit one foot from

686
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: the TV and just watch all more Muppet babies and

687
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: Fraggle Rock and the he Man and Chira. It was

688
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: just the best. Yeah. I did not know.

689
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: There was no sitting with the big tub of cereal.

690
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: My mother would not have allowed for that. But I

691
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 2: just remember like just being so happy. It was Sunday

692
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: morning and the I'm reading Wendy the comic, like the

693
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: comic strip.

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00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: Did you read Wendy Wendy? I don't remember. I remember

695
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: we are on such It's so funny the difference eight

696
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: years can make. I mean Kathy, I mean Kathy, excuse me,

697
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: excuse me? I met Kathy. Yes, my god, I can't. Yes,

698
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: it was about so comics.

699
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: I think the comics are gone. There are comics, they're

700
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: they're in your phone. I mean the comics are all yeah, right, yeah,

701
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 2: I mean it's did you ever try to get your

702
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,479
Speaker 2: kids to watch the movies that you watched, and.

703
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: I'm so I've always been so frustrated.

704
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 2: It's so at Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Willie Wonka

705
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 2: in the Chocolate Factory.

706
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Speaker 1: I beg them so they don't love it the way

707
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: that you did, and then it's such a disappointment. I know.

708
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: I was like that too. Like my dad used to

709
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: get so excited to show me movies and I would

710
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 1: watch them and be like, I like, I don't want

711
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: to be watching this, Like I know his favorite movie

712
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: of all time is Blazing Saddles, and like I just

713
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: didn't think it was that funny. And also it's really

714
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: like insulting and like it's not like today. It would

715
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: never fly and I just couldn't. I couldn't wrap my

716
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: head around it. He used to love Bridge on the

717
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: River Qui and like it just didn't care.

718
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, yeah, that would have been a lot.

719
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 2: But I remember wanting my kids to watch everything from

720
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 2: Pippy long Stocking to Pete's Dragon, Sound of Music, Willie Wonka,

721
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: like all of these that had they have such a

722
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: place in my mind and heart, you know, and it

723
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: was such an escape also, right, Like it wasn't like

724
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: you could always go get into your bed and put

725
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: on Netflix. It wasn't like that. It was very special

726
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 2: when you were like very into a TV show and

727
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: you had to wait all week for it to come around,

728
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: or a movie and you actually had to go to

729
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 2: the movie theater, and you know, it was such a treat.

730
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Speaker 1: Although I will tell you my kids do love the

731
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: original Karate Kid, but I showed them so does my husband.

732
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: Do you know that Jeff Fessler watches Cobra what is

733
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: it called Cobra Kai, Cobra Kai?

734
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, episode em same movies over and over and

735
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 1: over again. And I just read something that said that anxious.

736
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: He doesn't have anxiety, like one of the very few

737
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: people I know that without anxiety. But I heard that

738
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,479
Speaker 1: anxious people watch the same things over and over again

739
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: because they know the outcome and it makes them feel safe.

740
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense to me. However, this

741
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: man will watch the Shawshank Are you talking about Evan? Yeah,

742
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: he doesn't have anxiety, but he will watch certain movies

743
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: like I think he must have seen this. He watches

744
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: the Showshank Redemption probably on a weekly basis. I mean

745
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: it's also on TV like every week by amazing movie.

746
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I watch it every watches it NonStop.

747
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: Anything with Will Ferrell, he's seen a hundred times. That man,

748
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's He's probably the funniest human I've

749
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: ever been. Love of real life? Do you watch?

750
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 2: I definitely watch sitcoms on like TikTok like now because

751
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: obviously because the algorithm, like it's a constant barrage of

752
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 2: Curb Your Enthusiasm and Seinfeld and so even shit's creak like.

753
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 2: Those are the things that I when I'm like laying

754
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: in bed at night, I don't want anything too intense.

755
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: I like for all that, Like it's true, you know

756
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 2: how it's going to end. There's something comforting about it, right.

757
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are you watching now? Are you watching White Lotus? Yes?

758
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: I'm not that thrilled with it, though, Are you really

759
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: I like it? I'll tell you. I love the storyline

760
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: about the three friends. Yeah, of course, that's the only one.

761
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: The problem that with this season's White Lotus to me

762
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: is that it's dark. But it's not. I don't it's

763
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: nothing else. It's like the other the other season. I

764
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: feel like they're planting the seed.

765
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 2: No I know, but the other seasons were also funny

766
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: or also touching in some way or a lot about

767
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 2: like just dynamics people's relationships. I get that that is

768
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: sort of with but like between the father that's so

769
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: uptight because he's about to get busted for I don't know,

770
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 2: fraud or mondy whatever he did. And then there is

771
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: then there is the family and wait, there's the family

772
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: with the father, and then that kid, the younger kids whatever,

773
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 2: the three girl. I like watching the three girls. Then

774
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: there's oh, then there's the guy with the snakes. Yes,

775
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: and it's just like I feel like it's yes. I

776
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: feel like I'm always like on the edge of my

777
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: seat now with White Lotus. Whereas like there were breaks

778
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: from it when Jennifer Coolidge would just be Jennifer Coolidge

779
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 2: and you would it was so much fun to watch.

780
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm having fun watching it this season. Well,

781
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: I know season I thought season one was okay. I

782
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: think season two of White Lotus is one of the

783
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: best shows I've ever seen in my life. Really felt

784
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: like I was in Italy. Yeah, I loved it. I

785
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: love it.

786
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: And also that's the other piece of it is that Thailand, right,

787
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: it's in Thailand this season, which is so beautiful, but

788
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 2: they just haven't set everything looks so related and scary.

789
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: Yes it does. I will say, you don't see as

790
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: much of the beauty of Thailand as I would have hoped,

791
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna give it some time. I did not

792
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: watch the latest episode yet, so I have did you

793
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: watch last night? I have to watch that. I didn't.

794
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 2: Also, I think Real Houses of Atlanta was then on

795
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: last night the premiere episode.

796
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: So did you watch? No, but I will. I don't

797
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: watch that many of them anymore. I don't know. I

798
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: don't know why I do. I do. I love Potomac,

799
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: I didn't want. I watched OC and Potomac. I didn't

800
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: watch anything else. I don't love Beverly Hills this season. No,

801
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: we don't. It's okay, I don't know.

802
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: I'm just a little bored. Yeah, okay, I like the

803
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: new Dree, but yeah, I'm not I'm not as into it.

804
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. Is she different now that she's getting

805
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: divorced Lauritu, Yeah, she's very different this season. That's like

806
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: the whole kind of theme of it is Dreek comes

807
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: back with a vengeance, so she sort of was you know,

808
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: the villain for the past few seasons, and now she's like,

809
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: I'm not having it. You and the train you rode

810
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: in on, and she's like lighting her cigarette in the

811
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: car and like kind of fun to watch. Well, you

812
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: know what, we maybe we'll do a pop culture episode

813
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: of like today's stuff, like what we consider the best

814
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: today and the movies and the TV shows. But really

815
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: my expertise is not like the nineteen eighties pop culture.

816
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 1: Oh man, I just spent so many hours just watching

817
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: TV and watching movies over and over. Flash Dance and

818
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: the Slash and everything was just so amazing, and I

819
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: just I loved all like the character. I just Molly

820
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: Ringwald gave me so much hope that I could be

821
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: yes my own back. I saw that they're getting together.

822
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 2: Did you see that that the oh say, Almost Fire

823
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: cast is about to get together or something? There reuniting

824
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: a breakfast club sane almost Fire.

825
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: All of those loved it. Andrew McCarthy, there was like

826
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: no one cuter than him. Not to me, I had

827
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: never could I never got the Andrew McCarthy thing. Really,

828
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: it was Rob Low.

829
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 2: Rob Low, Rob Low, that's like the only gorgeous but

830
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 2: he's still a little Amelio Estevez. Yes, loved Judd Nelson,

831
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: such good movies. Yeah, I know, this was really fun.

832
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: Let's do a pop culture of today for another episode.

833
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: There's one question I know that we wrote down that

834
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, is very interesting.

835
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 2: There's one thing about your childhoo. I mean, this is

836
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: kind of a deep question that you would change. What

837
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: would it be?

838
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: Oh God, which I actually I.

839
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 2: Think I probably thought of that question because it's kind

840
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 2: of stupid, but because there's like so much stuff looking

841
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 2: back that you would maybe think this was a sad time,

842
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 2: this was a tragic, traumatic, you know, period of time.

843
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 2: But the truth is now we are who we are

844
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: because of those things that happened. I definitely wouldn't change

845
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 2: the fact that we moved around.

846
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: I moved not only to Sugarland, then I moved to

847
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: Greater Houston. Then we like.

848
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 2: But I feel like today I am at any given moment,

849
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: I could move and I would. I love New Jersey

850
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 2: and I love where that my kids got to grow

851
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: up in the same town and this is places or

852
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 2: you know, this is really where our roots are. But

853
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: I always felt like, if let's say Jeff got transferred,

854
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: it wouldn't throw me that much I could make it work.

855
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: And I think that part of that was being such

856
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 2: a fish out of water. I mean you probably felt

857
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: that way from Staten Island to Jersey. But like, there

858
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 2: are things that were so uncomfortable and sad. But again,

859
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 2: I mean, as long as we're here to talk about them,

860
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: I guess a lot of nostalgia.

861
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I had a really miserable high school experience,

862
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: and I think even though it shaped me, it did

863
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: traumatize me, and pieces that that are still definitely left over.

864
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: I think I would have oh, well, god, I wish

865
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: I would have learned that dieting is not all or nothing.

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Speaker 1: I really had no role models when it came to

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Speaker 1: health eating, and so when I decided that I wanted

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Speaker 1: to lose weight, I like really did unhealthy things. And

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Speaker 1: I think I would go back and maybe.

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Speaker 2: Well, everybody in my family was we are all it

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Speaker 2: was all about weight all the time.

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Speaker 1: We need everybody about that. Yes, all right a lot,

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Speaker 1: but all right, this was so much fun. I love that.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go back and watch some old TV.

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Speaker 1: Now I feel like nostalgic, But this was fun when

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Speaker 1: I was young, Yes, But all right, guys, I hope

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Speaker 1: you enjoyed it. We will see you next time. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was like Sunday, Monday, Happy Days, Tuesday, Wednesday, Happy Days.

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Speaker 2: Alright you guys, Bye bye bye m m hm