WEBVTT - Barbie Feldman Meets World

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<v Speaker 1>Yesterday I went and got a lymphatic massage. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you guys have ever heard of one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, blood from your face.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, it's just a it's not a like a

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<v Speaker 1>super enjoyable massage, like a massage where they're working on

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<v Speaker 1>your muscles. It is literally to help move things through

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<v Speaker 1>your lymphatic system. And so it's like getting rid of

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<v Speaker 1>trapped gas, sexy or helping just helping get rid of toxins.

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<v Speaker 1>So since I you can, yeah, it can happen. This

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<v Speaker 1>was my first lymphatic massage, and one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 1>I'm having it is because now that I've had a

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<v Speaker 1>lymph node removed, I have noticed some lymphidema. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of swelling. And the heart part is,

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<v Speaker 1>now that I have a lymph node removed, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>that one won't work, so I have to find other.

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<v Speaker 1>I just need to keep everything moving lymphatic wise. And

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<v Speaker 1>they're very popular right now. It's kind of like they've

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<v Speaker 1>always existed. But you know, sometimes all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>just something gets in the zeitgeist and you can't stop

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<v Speaker 1>hearing about them. I have been hearing about lymphatic massage

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time, and I was like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>I need one of those. I'm going to go get

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<v Speaker 1>a lymphatic massage. And so I had my first one

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday and I'm on the table and I'm a little

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<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable because it's, like I said, it's not like a

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<v Speaker 1>super enjoyable massage. It's really just kind of like moving

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<v Speaker 1>things through. And all of a sudden, the cell phone

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<v Speaker 1>rings of the therapist and she leaves the room. And

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<v Speaker 1>then she comes running back and she's like, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>no problem, and she's flipping on the lights and she

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<v Speaker 1>is she is rather panicked, and I'm just still laying

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<v Speaker 1>on the table and I go, what's going on? And

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<v Speaker 1>she goes, the building is on fire. We have to

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<v Speaker 1>go right now. And I go, really, yes. She goes,

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<v Speaker 1>get up, get dressed. I throw I throw off the sheets,

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<v Speaker 1>I pull.

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<v Speaker 3>On all my.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes terrifying, Oh my god, the building.

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<v Speaker 1>Is on fire. We have to go. I throw on

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<v Speaker 1>all my clothes. I grab my purse, I grab my

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<v Speaker 1>bottle of water. I have everything I need within seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>And she is it's the only the two of us

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<v Speaker 1>in this tiny little place, and she's like having to

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<v Speaker 1>check things, and I'm like I'm not leaving without you.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, oh go, I said, I'm not leaving without you.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like okay, thank you. And she's like turning, She's

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<v Speaker 1>turning off lights and gathering things. I'm like, let's go,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go. We run out the fire sprinklers. The sprinklers

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<v Speaker 1>in the building are going off, so it is raining

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<v Speaker 1>inside the building. I see people coming out of other

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<v Speaker 1>offices exiting, also frantic, but there's no alarms going off

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<v Speaker 1>in the building, like there's no fire alarm. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>why is it so quiet in here? I just hear

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<v Speaker 1>the sound of the water and and like door is closing.

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<v Speaker 1>We go running through the hallway to the staircase, which

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<v Speaker 1>happens to be right next to the elevator, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a woman standing there and she did not want the

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<v Speaker 1>area in front of the elevator didn't have sprinklers, so

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<v Speaker 1>it was dry right there. And she was like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna take the elevator. And I was like, you are

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<v Speaker 1>not taking the elevator. You are not the you cannot

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<v Speaker 1>take the.

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<v Speaker 2>Elevator, take the stairs.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me go. And we're like grabbing hands and three

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<v Speaker 1>of us running down the staircase getting sprinkled on. I

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<v Speaker 1>run past a firefighter who's running in, and I go,

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on? He's like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, all right, I'm getting.

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<v Speaker 1>I go running out. There are dozens of people who

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<v Speaker 1>had been inside the building standing there.

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<v Speaker 2>Recording on their phones to see.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. I don't know what's behind me? Is the

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<v Speaker 1>building up in flames? I have no idea, but all

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<v Speaker 1>I could picture when I ran out to like a

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<v Speaker 1>wall of people with their cell phone to someone having

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<v Speaker 1>footage of like to.

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<v Speaker 4>Penga fleas building with me, get out of the way, granny,

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<v Speaker 4>I are their first class boats.

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<v Speaker 1>Literally just walked out, turned around, saw that the building

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have like giant flames coming out of it, just

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<v Speaker 1>walked right to my car my garden drove.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's it. So you never found out what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened. Later, the woman who booked me for the

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<v Speaker 1>Limbatck massage was like, I'm sorry, it turns out there

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a fire, but honestly, I smelled smoke. I truly

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<v Speaker 1>smelled smoke. She said there was a gas leak, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but why would the fire sprinklers on if there was

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<v Speaker 1>just the alarm.

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<v Speaker 5>But even if you pull the alarm, the sprinklers I

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<v Speaker 5>think are activated by heat correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Or smoke of some kind. So I'm not sure about

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<v Speaker 1>this gasleak situation. I also need to investigate it now

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<v Speaker 1>today that they have more information, she texted me that

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<v Speaker 1>it was gas leak. Like when I was still in

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<v Speaker 1>the car having fleed, I was waited for it to

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<v Speaker 1>be like.

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<v Speaker 2>This was all part of your massage.

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<v Speaker 6>What I was gonna say is that massage is first

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<v Speaker 6>we massage you where it's really unpleasant, and then we're

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<v Speaker 6>scared and relaxed, and that normal life just feels amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Dongratulations, It's like the game. It's like a movie. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>I yeah, I just I couldn't believe it. I called

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<v Speaker 1>Jensen Johnsen was like, hey, what's up. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I just ran out of what I was told was

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<v Speaker 1>a burning building and now I'm at homemade in a salad.

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<v Speaker 2>So are you going to go back and have them

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<v Speaker 2>do the other half of the body? Does that work?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>They did offer me a free one to make up

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<v Speaker 1>for this one, so yeah, I'll probably go back and

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<v Speaker 1>give it a chance. But I'm wondering if I'm ever

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<v Speaker 1>going to be able to relax in a massage, I couldn't. Never,

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<v Speaker 1>of course not. I think that's like such a worst

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<v Speaker 1>case scenario of like what happens if you're laying naked

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<v Speaker 1>in a room? Like, what's the worst scenario?

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<v Speaker 4>All the building is on fire, and you wait, do

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<v Speaker 4>you go full naked when.

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<v Speaker 2>You get massages?

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<v Speaker 1>I wear my underwear?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, so you don't, that's what I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, but I mean it's close enough.

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<v Speaker 7>It is is no, But I was running because I

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<v Speaker 7>know some people go full Monty when they're I find that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a personal decision.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, but.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, now you'd want to run running out of the building,

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<v Speaker 7>and I'm gonna I'm gonna do everything in pants and

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<v Speaker 7>T shirts.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah exactly, I'm gonna be like, just let me

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<v Speaker 1>just hold my purse just in case. I'm just gonna Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It was anyway, it was a really fun experience. And

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<v Speaker 1>the minute it happened to said, can't wait to tell

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<v Speaker 1>the guys about this.

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<v Speaker 7>This is.

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<v Speaker 2>My life.

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<v Speaker 1>Now my life is making a pre show. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>pod meets World. I'm run from a burning building Danielle.

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<v Speaker 2>Fisher, I'm Right or Strong, and I'm wilfredll.

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<v Speaker 7>So.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing we noticed during our season five Rewatch was

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<v Speaker 1>a slew of new names joining the writer's room, either

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<v Speaker 1>full time or in a freelance position. The show had

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<v Speaker 1>become easier to produce, and past familiar faces had gone

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<v Speaker 1>on to get their own deals or join other developing

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Jacob's shows, So it makes sense that with a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four episode order, it was time to get some

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<v Speaker 1>new hands on deck. Some of these additions would stick

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<v Speaker 1>around till closing time, while some just swung by to

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<v Speaker 1>help with workload and never even stepped foot on set.

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<v Speaker 1>But one thing they all seem to have in common

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<v Speaker 1>is an impressive IMDb page filled with project after project,

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<v Speaker 1>even now basically thirty years later. Whether it's Andy Gerdatt,

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<v Speaker 1>who spent forty years in the business helping shape Paw

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<v Speaker 1>Patrol and Fancy Nancy in what was the third act

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<v Speaker 1>of his career, or Laura Olson, currently working on the

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<v Speaker 1>modern day reboot of Baywatch, a show that's got us

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<v Speaker 1>all tiresly working out while we wait for her call.

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<v Speaker 1>And this week's guest is another impressive example. We knew

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<v Speaker 1>her as Barbie Feldman, a first time writer with a

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<v Speaker 1>very cool name, joining Boy Meets World in nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>eight and staying with us till the bitter end. But

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<v Speaker 1>talk about a first impression. She had two scripts in

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<v Speaker 1>her first season of her first writing job, and those

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<v Speaker 1>two scripts raging Corey and Eric Hollywood suow some Bangs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I got both of those on my list. It

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<v Speaker 2>didn't both of those on my list. Yeah, I got

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<v Speaker 2>the Feldman list.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you followed Barbie's career since writing for us, Goofballs,

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<v Speaker 1>those impressive episodes shouldn't surprise you. Now, Barbie Adler, she'd

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<v Speaker 1>add shows like Evan Stevens, My Name Is Earl Up

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<v Speaker 1>All Night, How I Met Your Mother, Life in Pieces,

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<v Speaker 1>and Bless this Mess to her resume, while creating the

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<v Speaker 1>sitcom Kevin from Work and winning an Emmy for the

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<v Speaker 1>absolute classic Arrested Development, where she wrote seven episode odes

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<v Speaker 1>and she's still making hits. Just last year, she wrote

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<v Speaker 1>and produced on the Netflix water cooler phenomenon Nobody Wants This,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure she's working on something right now that

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<v Speaker 1>is much funnier than our podcast. This week, we are

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<v Speaker 1>honored to welcome Barbie Adler to Pod Meets World.

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<v Speaker 7>Hi.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, it's so great to see you, So.

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<v Speaker 3>Great to see you, guys. Oh, this is so exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>For a ten minutes, I as I feel.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I think I saw you during the strike, right, like, yeah, quick,

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<v Speaker 3>hugging the law and the yeah, the in a marching line. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for joining us once we entered

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<v Speaker 1>season five. We have been dying to get you on

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<v Speaker 1>and reunite, but you are so busy. Kudos to you

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<v Speaker 1>for staying so busy in a really hard time. And

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<v Speaker 1>so now before we take all the credit Boy Meets

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<v Speaker 1>World for your incredibly successful writing career, let's talk about

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<v Speaker 1>out how Boy Meets World was your first ever writing job.

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<v Speaker 1>How did this happen?

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<v Speaker 3>You can take credit for a.

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<v Speaker 2>Lot of Yes, you're welcome.

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<v Speaker 3>How do you feel as fair? I so that was

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<v Speaker 3>my very first writing job, and I I will say,

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<v Speaker 3>if I was trying to get a job now at

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<v Speaker 3>that level, with you know, like starting out with the

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<v Speaker 3>skill level I had at the time, there's no chance

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<v Speaker 3>in hell I would have gotten a job. There's just

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<v Speaker 3>no way. People have to be so much better now

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<v Speaker 3>from the jump, like when you get to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you should know everything. I didn't know anything, and I

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<v Speaker 3>really learned like everything at Boy means World, Like that's

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<v Speaker 3>where I started. And that was because I had been

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<v Speaker 3>you know, i'd been in the offices and like an

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<v Speaker 3>assistant and I was Michael's you know, second assistant for

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<v Speaker 3>a while.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's how you got the job.

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<v Speaker 3>Well I got that. So do want me go back?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you still didn't actually know that. We didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>that you were michael second assistant.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's here's I'll tell you the story. So I so

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<v Speaker 3>I'm from the Midwest. I came out here. I went

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<v Speaker 3>to school in San Diego, but I didn't know anybody

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<v Speaker 3>out here, like no connections, nothing. I didn't even know

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<v Speaker 3>what every different job did on a TV show. Like

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<v Speaker 3>I was so disconnected from like, hey, what's real here?

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<v Speaker 3>And I kind of was just really fearless at that

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<v Speaker 3>time where I was. I was and this is back

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<v Speaker 3>in the day. You're on the phone all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm like back at the Hollywood reporter calling everybody

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<v Speaker 3>doing everything like going and I somehow, you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>would call people and I somehow got put on the

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<v Speaker 3>name on a list of the internal like PA, the

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<v Speaker 3>pas that had been approved for Disney, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>even know I was on this list. So then so

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<v Speaker 3>then somebody called me. It was Mitch, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>you talk about Midge Bang called me and he was like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know doing this. It was about a pilot and

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't was of Michael Jacob's pilot and you're starting

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<v Speaker 3>up and whatever and you're on this list and do it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I had the whole thing. And then at the

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<v Speaker 3>we were talking and talking and talking and then he's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so sorry. I meant to call the name under

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<v Speaker 3>your name and I was like, no, dude, So what

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<v Speaker 3>I'm on the phone, I'm yeah, and I yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like that's I'm getting this job. So basically I

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<v Speaker 3>got that job. Was on a pilot ESPA that didn't go.

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<v Speaker 3>Michael made me the second assistant, which was the he

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<v Speaker 3>had the major assistant. This is back in the day,

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<v Speaker 3>and then a second asidant who was like mostly doing

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<v Speaker 3>personal stuff. Lots of running around town and this is

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<v Speaker 3>again pre internet, so you're like running everywhere to do everything.

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<v Speaker 3>And that was my day. There's a lot of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>filling his car with gas, or going in talking out

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<v Speaker 3>these gifts and doing this and a lot of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Softball bats Go buy a softball bat form?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, go buy twelve which one I like? And

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<v Speaker 3>then take back?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you go comic book shopping? Did you have to

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<v Speaker 2>go get comic book?

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<v Speaker 7>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, oh yes, you just brought that back.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, yeah, don't you remember that?

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<v Speaker 7>The baseball anytime we started anything, ping pong, paddles, baseball gloves,

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<v Speaker 7>any of that stuff, that's what Michael would get.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yourts.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you ever have to iron his jeans?

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<v Speaker 8>No?

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<v Speaker 3>I think I would have been a I think we

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<v Speaker 3>crossed the line. They did not do that. I did

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<v Speaker 3>picking up gifts, lots of returning, lots of watches, lots

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<v Speaker 3>of clothes, lots of run this over. I would have

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<v Speaker 3>to help like other like it's beyond just the person,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like their family.

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a lot, and then I sort of But

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<v Speaker 3>the good thing was about Michael. Even I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 3>guys have talked to this subject to death. But he

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to like he wanted to know what I wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to do, Like, what do you want to do? He

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<v Speaker 3>knows you don't like doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, sure.

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<v Speaker 3>So he was like, what do you want to do?

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<v Speaker 3>And I had been on the set of Boyman's World

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit, going to run through, you know, bringing

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<v Speaker 3>him things. And I come down there and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I was a TV kid growing up, nothing but a

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<v Speaker 3>TV and I was like, I think I can do this.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I can write. I want to write. And

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<v Speaker 3>he was like, okay, go pitch me. Come back with

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<v Speaker 3>pitches for three Boy Means World episode ideas, and then

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<v Speaker 3>you all picked the one and you can write that spec. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>just write as a spec as a sample.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wrote one.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to remember what it was about.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to ask you remember what the pitch was.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just I'm sitting here. I'm like, bring it back,

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<v Speaker 3>bring it back. I think it was maybe Corey had

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<v Speaker 3>was it a penpals something was uh and the name

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<v Speaker 3>was just uh. He thought it was a boy, ended

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<v Speaker 3>up being a girl. It ended up being a date.

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<v Speaker 3>Benga didn't like that, you know, it was just like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>that was the thing. I think that was the one

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<v Speaker 3>I ended up doing.

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<v Speaker 7>It's very yeah, cool story.

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<v Speaker 3>So so I did that. It turned in and he

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<v Speaker 3>was like, okay, you know back in the day, you

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<v Speaker 3>would be able to you'd have these episodes, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you'd get twenty two episodes of season or more. And

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<v Speaker 3>the guild, I believe it was a guild rule that

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<v Speaker 3>every thirteen I think you'd have to or maybe one

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<v Speaker 3>out of the season you'd have to farm out to

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<v Speaker 3>a writer who wasn't in your staff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So that so he's like, okay, i'll give you for

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<v Speaker 3>the next season Boy Means World. We were in hiatus.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, I'll give you an outside of writing assignment.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that was like everything to me. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>believe it. It was so much. It was like it was

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<v Speaker 3>life changing, that opportunity for me. At the time, I

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<v Speaker 3>was sitting in this bullpen area. You guys remember that

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<v Speaker 3>all the deaths were up there, and we kind of

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<v Speaker 3>are all talking and they were trying to staff Boy

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<v Speaker 3>Meets World for the next season where they had a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of spots and another show, another pilot that he

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<v Speaker 3>had that had gotten picked up the series. And they're like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm in this bullpen areo and exact. You know, He's

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<v Speaker 3>walking back and forth with all these people and they're

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<v Speaker 3>talking whatever, and he I keep hearing they said all

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<v Speaker 3>we need we just need a low level woman.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, yeah, again, is that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be the name of your memoir.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it's kind of great.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a picture like, yeah, I'm a low level woman.

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<v Speaker 3>So I went, I was like, what do I have again?

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<v Speaker 3>Fearless that age, you have to try, you try. I

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<v Speaker 3>went into his office and I was like, hey, are

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<v Speaker 3>you hearing all this conversation about low level woman? Said

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<v Speaker 3>what about me? And he goes, okay, knows it.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is this is at the end of season four,

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<v Speaker 1>before season five.

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<v Speaker 3>This is like during they had just gotten a pilot

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<v Speaker 3>picked up, so that would have been in May, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're staffing in June, you know, you staff for

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<v Speaker 3>the start in June for the so it's in that area.

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<v Speaker 2>There's the other pilot, Zoe duncan track.

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<v Speaker 8>That was maybe this time, wasn't No, you have more

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<v Speaker 8>gap guesses, Zoe you wish?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the Genie one you got.

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<v Speaker 7>You got you guys, But wait a second, you were

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<v Speaker 7>you were on the set for the whole time though

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<v Speaker 7>for the first four seasons, weren't you?

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<v Speaker 3>I was, well, so I went not the beginning, not

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<v Speaker 3>the first season. I think I might have come in.

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<v Speaker 3>I was did like maybe ten months. So so I

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<v Speaker 3>was Michael's second assistant and then I was Susan Jansen's assistant.

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<v Speaker 3>I forgot that part okay almost, It's interesting and with

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<v Speaker 3>her for like maybe you're you know, it was like

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<v Speaker 3>when we were shooting. I remember were shooting at K

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<v Speaker 3>T l A obviously you know, like over there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so I was probably there maybe third and fourth.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye, third and fourth, Okay, so you were you were

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<v Speaker 1>for third and fourth and then staffed on season five?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, And again had no idea what I was doing,

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<v Speaker 3>like other than being like an avid TV watcher and

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<v Speaker 3>obviously knowing the show very well. I was like, oh

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<v Speaker 3>my god, what am I doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you watch the show outside of having seen it

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<v Speaker 1>when you were visiting on set.

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<v Speaker 3>I had seen it when it first came on when

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<v Speaker 3>in its first season. This is when I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know if i'd moved out here yet.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I went to school in Staniago. Then came

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<v Speaker 3>up and I had seen episodes of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's a cute show.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I knew of it, and I didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>his whole you know, you know, all the shows that

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<v Speaker 3>Michael had done. I didn't know all that until I

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<v Speaker 3>got there and realized it was all this stuff. And

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<v Speaker 3>how you know, he had such a young start and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, he was really prolific, and that was the

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<v Speaker 3>time when they would have, you know, these giant overall

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<v Speaker 3>deals for these guys, more shows, more shows, and and

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<v Speaker 3>it was it was a really good So then back

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<v Speaker 3>to your question, you know about like getting in there

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<v Speaker 3>and learning and learning everything I know from Weman's world.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm and because I went back and I looked at

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<v Speaker 3>I watched a couple of episodes just in prep for this,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was like, you know, it really teaches you

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<v Speaker 3>the basics. Not to be saying that it's a basic show,

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<v Speaker 3>but it teaches you the basics. It teaches you you

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<v Speaker 3>learned structure, setting things up, paying things up, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the acts, how to you know, the emotional part, the

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<v Speaker 3>funny part, how to come up. It really kind of

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<v Speaker 3>is gives you your one oh one class in TV writing.

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<v Speaker 3>And I didn't even think about that until I just

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<v Speaker 3>rewatched them. I was like, oh, yeah, this is basic structure,

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<v Speaker 3>basic in a good way, you know. And it was

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<v Speaker 3>something that, uh, it was also great because I was there,

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<v Speaker 3>so I was a writer for the last three seasons.

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<v Speaker 3>But I had this sort of gift of having jobs

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<v Speaker 3>secure because I knew he would never fire me because

0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.520
<v Speaker 3>he wanted me to succeed. I knew him so well,

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<v Speaker 3>hit all the keys to his house, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like he wanted he It was I think people don't

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<v Speaker 3>always get that chance anymore to sort of settle in,

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<v Speaker 3>sit back, observe, learn, participate when you know you can

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<v Speaker 3>successfully when you know you should. When it's as opposed

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<v Speaker 3>to the pressure I see now, which is just like

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<v Speaker 3>everyone's got to be an a plus plus from the

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<v Speaker 3>day they start, and you don't know anything when on

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<v Speaker 3>the day you start. So I completely like, I appreciate

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<v Speaker 3>that time so much. I think of it because the

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<v Speaker 3>show really did give me everything. It gave me three

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<v Speaker 3>years on a show, which was a huge thing to have.

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<v Speaker 3>It let me go out and be, you know, go

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<v Speaker 3>on something else, get offers, be you know, just sort

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<v Speaker 3>of protected for three years so I could get to

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<v Speaker 3>be a good actually you know writer. Yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 3>everything that it was great, and I'm that is really

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<v Speaker 3>really an important part of the process that I feel

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we get to.

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<v Speaker 7>Because you're speaking my language with kind of loving TV

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<v Speaker 7>and being raised on TV. I'm just curious what your

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<v Speaker 7>shows were that you loved so much that really brought

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<v Speaker 7>you into the TV world when you were growing up.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that would be Thursday night on NBC primarily, that

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<v Speaker 3>would be the Cosby Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Show Family Ties and Cheers. Yeah, okay, kind of that night.

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<v Speaker 3>It was that, And I really would I mean I

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<v Speaker 3>was an indoor kid, let's say, so I would always lash,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like whatever I was, the TV was there

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<v Speaker 3>and I would watch everything. And I would also watch

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<v Speaker 3>like my mom you know, was great about sort of

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<v Speaker 3>even though I was in the middle of the Midwest,

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<v Speaker 3>like the broadening sort of my entertainment whatever horizons, and

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<v Speaker 3>so I'd watch a lot of movie and there was

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<v Speaker 3>just so much to fit into it. But it really

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<v Speaker 3>was I would say Cheers was probably the one that

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<v Speaker 3>really really made it. I mean, I love that show

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<v Speaker 3>so much, hand Family Ties, those were really spoke to me. H, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I loved I loved Also, if I remember Moonlighting, loving

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<v Speaker 3>and just like kind of loving just the dialogue falling

0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:24.440
<v Speaker 3>in love, which sort of the idea of like dialogue

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<v Speaker 3>and all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, we had talked about the fact that the

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<v Speaker 1>first couple of seasons or few seasons of Boy Meets

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<v Speaker 1>World were not necessarily known for its feminine touch, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we noticed, like around season five, there seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>be a nice uptick in women writers. What was your

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<v Speaker 1>experience coming in and did it ever feel like a

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<v Speaker 1>boy's club or did you feel very welcome right from

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, boys club? Okay. Also yes, yes, welcome because he

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<v Speaker 3>wanted me to be there, and I had known these

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<v Speaker 3>guys for a couple of years because remember a lot

0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:02.040
<v Speaker 3>of these guys had just been you know, they were

0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:05.200
<v Speaker 3>the whole time. So I had already brought everyone there

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<v Speaker 3>lunch and then all the cougar Oh, I actually we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to get it back.

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<v Speaker 2>We're getting it back. We're going to figure out how

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<v Speaker 2>to get.

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<v Speaker 3>Kid sand it too soon. We all know they had problems. Okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I uh so I felt like I was very welcome there,

0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:27.320
<v Speaker 3>and I didn't really feel the you know, the wait,

0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:29.960
<v Speaker 3>we're considering you to be an assistant sort of thing,

0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:33.240
<v Speaker 3>we're considering this person, you're coming in here. I kind

0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:35.680
<v Speaker 3>of just felt welcome and that again it comes from

0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:39.800
<v Speaker 3>Michael welcoming me in there. I didn't boys club. I

0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:43.480
<v Speaker 3>didn't know it was a boys club. It was just

0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:46.520
<v Speaker 3>a bunch of men and they were kind of you know,

0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:48.679
<v Speaker 3>I had a lot of them have known each other forever,

0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:55.160
<v Speaker 3>and it was the camaraderie there. But they all had wives,

0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:56.640
<v Speaker 3>and they all had kids, and you know, they all

0:23:56.720 --> 0:24:00.639
<v Speaker 3>had women in their lives that I feel, you know,

0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:03.600
<v Speaker 3>we would hear about and positive stuff. So it wasn't

0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:08.000
<v Speaker 3>like some of the rooms that are very difficult for women,

0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:13.320
<v Speaker 3>which but it wasn't one of those because I feel like,

0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:16.240
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I guess this isn't necessarily the case

0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:17.520
<v Speaker 3>with all but I was just going to say the

0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:21.520
<v Speaker 3>show and the content of the show, it was such

0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:27.159
<v Speaker 3>a warm y though. It wasn't like we were doing,

0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:29.600
<v Speaker 3>you know, such negative stuff or whatever.

0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:31.520
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't cynical, right, and.

0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:33.960
<v Speaker 3>Michael and they knew I was Michael. I was Michael's person,

0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:35.439
<v Speaker 3>and they all liked me. I liked all them. I mean,

0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:37.040
<v Speaker 3>it's like menel it's in there and all those guys,

0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:40.439
<v Speaker 3>so you know, yeah, group and the other women. I

0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:42.919
<v Speaker 3>feel like there was a team that came in and

0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:45.000
<v Speaker 3>then after that, and another woman a couple, and that

0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:48.439
<v Speaker 3>I think it was all positive in that area, to

0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:50.440
<v Speaker 3>their credit, because it was a time when it wasn't

0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:52.639
<v Speaker 3>really always like that. But before I had gotten in

0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:55.199
<v Speaker 3>that room, you know, I'm on shows now and you

0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:57.159
<v Speaker 3>welcome the writers distance in the room and you're kind

0:24:57.160 --> 0:24:58.880
<v Speaker 3>of just everybody can kind of come in and sit

0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:01.960
<v Speaker 3>and listen. It was a very very closed door room.

0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:06.200
<v Speaker 3>So I never even sat in the writer's room before

0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:10.560
<v Speaker 3>I became a writer. Never wow, which is so different

0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:13.000
<v Speaker 3>from now. I feel like when they really it was

0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:15.520
<v Speaker 3>it was doors closed, don't go in. So who knows

0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:18.080
<v Speaker 3>what happened before I got there, But while I was there,

0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:21.720
<v Speaker 3>it was never something. And I also can hang with

0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:24.600
<v Speaker 3>the guys anyways, I'm not, you know, And it was

0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:28.200
<v Speaker 3>a different time when you were sort of expected to yes,

0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:32.200
<v Speaker 3>and you're expected to and you're you're kind of tuned

0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:35.560
<v Speaker 3>differently where you're not like it is now. And I'm

0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:37.040
<v Speaker 3>sure some of the things that did go on. If

0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:38.920
<v Speaker 3>I were to plot myself in that room right now,

0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:42.880
<v Speaker 3>I'd be like, whoa, oh my god, You're.

0:25:42.720 --> 0:25:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Like you'd yeah, you'd you'd hear it differently now than

0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:45.920
<v Speaker 1>you heard it.

0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:49.119
<v Speaker 3>Then absolutely and you and you would also, you know,

0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:53.280
<v Speaker 3>you were I was supposed to tolerate it, like you're saying,

0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:54.919
<v Speaker 3>you're supposed to like sort of hang with it, and

0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:57.159
<v Speaker 3>I and that was And I was also so junior,

0:25:57.520 --> 0:26:01.400
<v Speaker 3>So a lot of factors may have affected my perspective

0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:03.240
<v Speaker 3>at the time that I wonder how I feel now.

0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:08.480
<v Speaker 1>But you'll be happy to hear. I'm sure that your episode,

0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Raging Corey is quite possibly writer's number one favorite episode

0:26:15.400 --> 0:26:16.800
<v Speaker 1>of the series thus far.

0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:19.520
<v Speaker 2>Me too, And it's in the arguments.

0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 1>It's in at least the top two. It's top two

0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:29.560
<v Speaker 1>for me. We absolutely love it. We are obsessed with it.

0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:32.040
<v Speaker 1>It is a perfect episode of television.

0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:32.560
<v Speaker 2>Yo.

0:26:33.240 --> 0:26:34.560
<v Speaker 3>All right, well, and I guess we're done.

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so.

0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:40.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm creating for us.

0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:46.760
<v Speaker 1>I had no idea, Yeah, massive, massive fans. We to

0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:50.320
<v Speaker 1>recap for anyone who doesn't remember. It focuses on Allan

0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:53.720
<v Speaker 1>as a father and his strained relationships with Corey and Eric.

0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Where did the origin of the idea come from? For you?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think that the top So it was everybody

0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:03.240
<v Speaker 3>you know and you talked about this, I'm sure a bunch,

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:05.720
<v Speaker 3>But like everybody's ideas, kind of go into one pot

0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 3>and then every the room, so it wasn't all solely mine.

0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:12.119
<v Speaker 3>Of course I contributed over about the first draft, but

0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:14.439
<v Speaker 3>what you see on TV often is very different. And

0:27:14.600 --> 0:27:17.199
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure if we had the story broken like

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:19.080
<v Speaker 3>that when I wrote it. But I remember in the

0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 3>initial conception it was boxing. That's why. So they didn't

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:27.480
<v Speaker 3>change the title, you know, So that's why, And it

0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:31.000
<v Speaker 3>was that, and for some reason it got changed, probably

0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 3>because that's extraordinarily difficult and it didn't quite work. We

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:39.320
<v Speaker 3>didn't quite need it, and so I can't remember the

0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:41.800
<v Speaker 3>original structure. I could find my old draft, I'm sure

0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:42.280
<v Speaker 3>that would.

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Be so we would love to read it.

0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:49.560
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I had to look really far somewhere over here

0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:51.320
<v Speaker 3>because I'm like, oh, the file cabins over there, like

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:56.359
<v Speaker 3>almost me to go over to it. And so I

0:27:56.400 --> 0:28:00.359
<v Speaker 3>think what I I the episode that I what I

0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:04.679
<v Speaker 3>love about the episode is that it feels over in

0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:07.280
<v Speaker 3>a weird way and then it keeps going into the

0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:12.399
<v Speaker 3>part of it, which was something that I'm so proud

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:16.200
<v Speaker 3>of having that in an episode with my perfect Yeah. Yeah,

0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:18.400
<v Speaker 3>and the perfection is all due to the writers as

0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:21.760
<v Speaker 3>a group and Michael and everybody I just got lucky

0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:22.639
<v Speaker 3>enough to have my name on it.

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 5>But it's just a perfect sitcom in that it's like

0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:29.760
<v Speaker 5>everything is character based, it's every you know, everybody feels motivated,

0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:32.400
<v Speaker 5>and then just like you said, spins the story into

0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:35.040
<v Speaker 5>a new chapter. So it's like Alan has this experience

0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:36.840
<v Speaker 5>with Corey, and Corey goes to talk to Sean, and

0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 5>Sean has experience with his brother.

0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:39.440
<v Speaker 2>It's like it's all just keeps.

0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:42.160
<v Speaker 5>Spinning, and it's like it's you know, it's one of

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:44.880
<v Speaker 5>these things where no one's lives are really changed by

0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:45.920
<v Speaker 5>it's per ec sitcom.

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 2>It's like and yet we've seen them all.

0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:50.560
<v Speaker 5>Illustrate who they are, try and change, come back to

0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:53.240
<v Speaker 5>who they really fundamentally are they it also but it.

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 7>Also goes with something we were talking about, which is

0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 7>it became a joke on the podcast because as we

0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 7>were watching, especially the first season, in a little bit

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:03.200
<v Speaker 7>in the second season, it wasn't until like episode three

0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:05.560
<v Speaker 7>or four of the second season that Alan realized he

0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 7>had two sons.

0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 2>So there there's that that That episode also.

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:14.160
<v Speaker 7>Worked great because it leant into oh, that's right, I've

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:17.360
<v Speaker 7>got two kids. That and you know, that's what Amy says,

0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:19.400
<v Speaker 7>she's like she literally says, along the way you had

0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 7>two kids are two boys and a girl like and

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:25.240
<v Speaker 7>and so we love that it leaned into the fact

0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 7>that we were like, hey, I wonder when they're going

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 7>to realize that Eric's their kid too, and then boom,

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 7>it was part of Yeah, and then you're.

0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 5>The great set piece of the skydiving. I mean, it's

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:36.000
<v Speaker 5>like it's a it's a it seems like a big

0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:38.200
<v Speaker 5>set piece, but it's actually just a very simple scene

0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 5>and these guys just get to yell at each other

0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:40.840
<v Speaker 5>and it's so funny.

0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 1>And there's a beautiful tag with Morgan at the end

0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 1>where even earlier in.

0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:50.440
<v Speaker 3>The episode you see a little Morgan. I'm like, she's

0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 3>coming back, huh.

0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:53.160
<v Speaker 8>So good.

0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:56.080
<v Speaker 3>And the girls with you know, like the daughters and

0:29:56.120 --> 0:30:00.200
<v Speaker 3>the sons, and I love that that that piece in

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 3>the plane. It's so funny because it's so it's so

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:08.400
<v Speaker 3>long to be yelling this.

0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Entire but it gets funnier.

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:12.520
<v Speaker 5>It's one of those things it's like the more you

0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:14.760
<v Speaker 5>lead into it, then it does.

0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:18.680
<v Speaker 3>It does, and it's able, which which is great because

0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 3>it's like that thing where you're like, they can't still be.

0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 5>You still young, You're getting more emotional, right, it's getting

0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:27.160
<v Speaker 5>more personal as good.

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:30.920
<v Speaker 3>And it's it's and it was funny and different and

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:32.840
<v Speaker 3>it was different from the show. It just felt like

0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:37.800
<v Speaker 3>it was the show in uh creative like you're saying,

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:40.160
<v Speaker 3>like things like spinning, they don't really end up they

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 3>end up having learn and grown, but it's not a

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:46.920
<v Speaker 3>significant Oh now we're going to go in this direction.

0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:48.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm now I'm going to school and you know, it's

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 3>it was a fun emotional parenting, you know, parent sun

0:30:54.320 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 3>story and super relatable.

0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:57.720
<v Speaker 5>And it brought Alan back into the show, which you know,

0:30:57.720 --> 0:31:01.720
<v Speaker 5>at the point sort of getting you know, compared to

0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:03.800
<v Speaker 5>the first season, they were already starting to fade away.

0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 2>But it's just so interesting because I feel like.

0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:07.840
<v Speaker 5>You know, so often we tend to look back and

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:10.160
<v Speaker 5>be like the serialized episodes of Boys One, the ones

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:13.560
<v Speaker 5>that like created this relationship or broke up this relationship,

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 5>And here's one that was just like no, it was

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:18.960
<v Speaker 5>like it was a great maintenance episode of boy Meets

0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:20.920
<v Speaker 5>World and just so yeah, one of the funniest.

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:23.120
<v Speaker 3>So, oh, thank you guys, that's a nice Again, I

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:25.640
<v Speaker 3>can't take credit everybody's credit of course, but I am

0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:27.800
<v Speaker 3>lucky enough to have I mean, that is exciting and

0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 3>it was so exciting for me. And like I said,

0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 3>it started off and into a really different place. Yeah,

0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:34.960
<v Speaker 3>and it ends up like that and that's the process

0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:39.560
<v Speaker 3>and and you never know what's going to end up

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:40.480
<v Speaker 3>on television.

0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:47.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean it was then next is Eric tell us

0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:49.600
<v Speaker 2>about that? What was going on? It's so good?

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:52.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, that one that is just so That

0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 3>one's so crazy and so funny. I mean, I'm I

0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 3>was laughing out loud on that one with you know,

0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:03.320
<v Speaker 3>it was Will Will, You had me laughing. It was

0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:06.239
<v Speaker 3>later do you feel Will did they let you?

0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:06.400
<v Speaker 7>Like?

0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:09.600
<v Speaker 3>Was were you like unleashed on those scenes? Because I

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 3>feel like like I feel like you were so dependably

0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 3>rock solid, funny and creative, interesting fun ways and then

0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:22.080
<v Speaker 3>like Corey could still go back and be like, oh

0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 3>this is like a real guy. But in that one,

0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:28.360
<v Speaker 3>all of that, I was like this, it was like crazy,

0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 3>it was crazy.

0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:30.640
<v Speaker 2>We had it was fun.

0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:32.200
<v Speaker 7>It was just fun all the way around. And it

0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 7>was it was I don't know, unleashed. I mean it

0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:37.640
<v Speaker 7>was like when you get the material and the materials

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.720
<v Speaker 7>there and you get you're given the chance to play,

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:42.440
<v Speaker 7>then great things can happen.

0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 2>And it was just so much.

0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Fun and maybe the best will has ever been all

0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:49.760
<v Speaker 1>the different moments he was able to hit. It was,

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:53.200
<v Speaker 1>writer had commented when we watched it, the journey he

0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 1>takes the viewer on even just in one scene, You're like,

0:32:57.480 --> 0:32:59.960
<v Speaker 1>this guy can reel you in with anything he.

0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:03.720
<v Speaker 5>Does, all the different styles of acting, and yeah, and

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 5>setting the tone for from beat to beat he's setting

0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:07.760
<v Speaker 5>it's just incredible.

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:11.720
<v Speaker 3>So true and and big laughs and always you know,

0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:17.760
<v Speaker 3>something different, and and then it's sort of like meta meta,

0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:20.480
<v Speaker 3>and it was it's so it's such it's a weird one,

0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:22.360
<v Speaker 3>but so incredibly fun.

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:25.040
<v Speaker 5>And that Do you remember the conversations, the creative conversations

0:33:25.080 --> 0:33:26.000
<v Speaker 5>that led to it.

0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:27.800
<v Speaker 3>Probably not, not really.

0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Do you do you remember?

0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:32.600
<v Speaker 7>One of the things that writer seems to remember is

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 7>that originally other actors were cast to play the characters.

0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:38.680
<v Speaker 2>They weren't going to play them.

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 3>That's right, Yeah, I know. And when I was I

0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:46.600
<v Speaker 3>was watching it too, I watched it on again, just

0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:49.840
<v Speaker 3>like prep for this. I was like, it is a

0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:52.360
<v Speaker 3>huge swing. So that so then there must have been

0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:55.160
<v Speaker 3>something that was another direction first that didn't quite work,

0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:57.520
<v Speaker 3>and they were like, let's just do this and try it.

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:01.520
<v Speaker 3>But it was such a big, broad, fun episode that

0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 3>it was kind of all bets are off.

0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Where did the idea come from to poke fun at

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:14.120
<v Speaker 1>the writer's room with the young kids as the writer's room?

0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:18.480
<v Speaker 3>Probably that's probably Michael. I mean, I mean that table

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:23.400
<v Speaker 3>was Michael's family. Yes, yes, I have Yeah, so funny,

0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:26.080
<v Speaker 3>I think probably, I know that was I like that,

0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:28.279
<v Speaker 3>that's funny. I mean it did. It gets so it

0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:30.879
<v Speaker 3>was such a weird meta. But by the way, that

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:33.760
<v Speaker 3>is also the luxury of twenty two episodes.

0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:35.520
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, do that.

0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:38.400
<v Speaker 3>They're not all so precious, not that that one's you know,

0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:40.760
<v Speaker 3>that one is a great one, But you wouldn't really

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:42.480
<v Speaker 3>do that one. If you're like, oh, we have thirteen,

0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:45.880
<v Speaker 3>we have to advance this. You're just like this, let's

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:47.640
<v Speaker 3>let's have a fun episode.

0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:50.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, I mean we were doing twenty four, so

0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:53.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like, you really, how do you.

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:55.759
<v Speaker 2>Do twenty four and not end up in World War two?

0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Come on? You know, come on, I mean, seriously.

0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:04.120
<v Speaker 5>I'm traveling, cat, Let's do something.

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:05.640
<v Speaker 3>You got to do something because you got to get

0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:08.200
<v Speaker 3>to that finish line. But that's part of the fun

0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:11.200
<v Speaker 3>because those episodes that are a little more out there,

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, you know, taking a shot at something or

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:16.759
<v Speaker 3>something that's a little more absurd or what somebody is

0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:19.120
<v Speaker 3>some just somebody has an itch they want to scratch

0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 3>in the writing room, when you indulge it, like, that's

0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:23.960
<v Speaker 3>so fun. That's the freedom of having all those episodes too.

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:39.399
<v Speaker 1>Did you have a character you particularly liked writing for?

0:35:39.520 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 1>Both Raging Corey and Eric Hollywood have some pretty good

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Eric stuff. Did you have a character you liked writing

0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:46.880
<v Speaker 1>for more than others?

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:48.040
<v Speaker 2>And why was it?

0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 7>Me?

0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 3>Okay, well, well you go. I loved writing. I love

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:01.680
<v Speaker 3>jokes like I love That's why I love the show.

0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:05.560
<v Speaker 3>I love hard jokes. I love not like obvious hackey jokes.

0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 3>I love smart I love things creative jokes. And so

0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:14.760
<v Speaker 3>I loved writing for all you guys. I loved seeing

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:16.600
<v Speaker 3>what you did with what was written. I can tell

0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:19.640
<v Speaker 3>you that that was really really fun for me seeing,

0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:22.600
<v Speaker 3>like I said, well, you know, just doing something. I

0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:25.719
<v Speaker 3>was watching another one last what was the one I

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:27.720
<v Speaker 3>was watching my episodes? It was from the season later.

0:36:28.080 --> 0:36:31.399
<v Speaker 3>It was when Feenie was in college, and like that's

0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:35.480
<v Speaker 3>when his wife was, you know, his real and you

0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:38.760
<v Speaker 3>did something where you're like in a space about something

0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:41.400
<v Speaker 3>and it's just that was kind of not really written

0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:43.400
<v Speaker 3>like that, but then you do with it and like

0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:48.279
<v Speaker 3>all of you guys did and giving like such good performances.

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:53.200
<v Speaker 3>I feel like people don't realize that it's so hard

0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:59.080
<v Speaker 3>to find awesome kid actors who then can get even

0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:03.280
<v Speaker 3>better like young adult actors. And that's what was so great.

0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:06.040
<v Speaker 3>A lot of shows you write and you're like, okay, well,

0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:08.520
<v Speaker 3>let's just kind of limit this person because by season whatever,

0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:10.040
<v Speaker 3>you're like, this isn't this great as we thought it

0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:13.320
<v Speaker 3>would be, but we're stuck whatever it is. It's like,

0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:17.239
<v Speaker 3>oh no, no, everyone everyone is a home run hitter

0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:19.360
<v Speaker 3>in this show, like it was you. That's what I

0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:22.960
<v Speaker 3>loved about writing for you guys. You didn't worry like, okay, well,

0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:25.439
<v Speaker 3>she's never gonna be able to get this joke right right,

0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:29.239
<v Speaker 3>like your timing Danielle. It's like it was so good

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:33.080
<v Speaker 3>and your jokes and your ability to like tolerate like

0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:35.759
<v Speaker 3>madness around me with like whenever Corey's being silly or

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:38.279
<v Speaker 3>just too juvenile or whatever is and still be like

0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:42.080
<v Speaker 3>your character maintain person and keep us buying that relationship

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:45.840
<v Speaker 3>was so is so hard. I don't know how people

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:48.360
<v Speaker 3>People may not really realize, like that's so hard to

0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:51.719
<v Speaker 3>play all that and and the believability and in a

0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:55.240
<v Speaker 3>comedy and still hit hard jokes very rare. Writer your next.

0:37:56.680 --> 0:37:59.000
<v Speaker 2>You don't have to know that.

0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:01.160
<v Speaker 3>And writer, I think people would probably think of like

0:38:01.200 --> 0:38:05.880
<v Speaker 3>all like the emotional stuff for you, Like what a

0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:09.160
<v Speaker 3>dramatic life that kid had, you know, to play all

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:11.160
<v Speaker 3>that and to be so young and play it with

0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:15.239
<v Speaker 3>a light touch. And it was again, I don't think

0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:19.200
<v Speaker 3>people realize the quality of the acting is better than

0:38:19.800 --> 0:38:24.480
<v Speaker 3>many adults. Luck. It was just magic and fat. It

0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:26.680
<v Speaker 3>was really really and that was what my fun was

0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:29.560
<v Speaker 3>that you didn't have to write so that a character

0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:31.720
<v Speaker 3>could handle it. You could write to see the character

0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:34.960
<v Speaker 3>ascend to it or put their spin on it, and

0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:37.040
<v Speaker 3>you knew it would be better. That was what was fun.

0:38:37.600 --> 0:38:40.600
<v Speaker 7>How did you so we would often see because obviously

0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:42.000
<v Speaker 7>one of the things we've talked about a whole bunch

0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:45.879
<v Speaker 7>of times is how we were separated from the writer's room.

0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 7>We didn't really get to see what was going on.

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:49.160
<v Speaker 7>And I think that was done on purpose. It was

0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:51.439
<v Speaker 7>kind of we were shielded from a lot of things,

0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:53.880
<v Speaker 7>which was a good thing in the long run. But

0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:55.680
<v Speaker 7>there was a lot of times we would do run

0:38:55.680 --> 0:38:59.800
<v Speaker 7>throughs and then there'd be a massive rewrite, and I'm curious,

0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:04.439
<v Speaker 7>how did you determine if it faults not the right word,

0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:07.839
<v Speaker 7>but if it was us or the material, because there

0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:10.600
<v Speaker 7>had to be a time where the writing was there.

0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:12.600
<v Speaker 7>You knew the writing was there, and we just didn't

0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:14.840
<v Speaker 7>hit it a run through. I mean, how do you

0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:17.319
<v Speaker 7>determine whether no, the materials there, they just had an

0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:20.480
<v Speaker 7>off day as opposed to okay, they gave it their all,

0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:22.560
<v Speaker 7>and it's the material. Where do you pick that up?

0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:26.800
<v Speaker 3>I would say that it's most it's almost always the material.

0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:32.200
<v Speaker 3>It's something that you try that you finally get to hear,

0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:33.919
<v Speaker 3>you know, like it's on its feet, as they say,

0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:37.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, you hear it, and it's like, oh no,

0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:40.400
<v Speaker 3>that's not that's not what we want, or it's not

0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:43.560
<v Speaker 3>funny enough. It was really not. Because anything that was

0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:47.440
<v Speaker 3>performance related could be there were notes for that. You

0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:49.839
<v Speaker 3>guys want little notes or try to play it this way,

0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:52.080
<v Speaker 3>or different takes where you could try different things or whatever.

0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:55.960
<v Speaker 3>But if it's usually those notes were about the story,

0:39:56.000 --> 0:40:01.440
<v Speaker 3>the story. You know, Michael had a interesting way about

0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:03.600
<v Speaker 3>taking notes at these run throughs. Have you guys talked

0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:05.799
<v Speaker 3>about this in my covering this stuff you guys talked

0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:09.560
<v Speaker 3>about it was he would then, so you have all

0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:11.480
<v Speaker 3>the executives out there, and did you guys ever hear

0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 3>the notes after the runthroughs or anything? Were you guys

0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:17.919
<v Speaker 3>were gone? Yeah? So did he do the same thing

0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:21.040
<v Speaker 3>where he would he just tell them what he's fixing

0:40:21.080 --> 0:40:24.839
<v Speaker 3>before they'd give him any Yeah, which was an interesting thing.

0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:29.880
<v Speaker 3>It was almost like if you do wait for those notes,

0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:31.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, if you do hear those notes, usually they're

0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:35.239
<v Speaker 3>about probably the things that he was fixing. Anyways, this

0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:40.120
<v Speaker 3>needs a better ending. This felt too long. This isn't working.

0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:42.560
<v Speaker 3>You know, we don't feel the emotion. We haven't set

0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:44.239
<v Speaker 3>up something that we're trying to pay off at the end,

0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:46.919
<v Speaker 3>or the payoff doesn't fit the setup, those kind of things.

0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:49.399
<v Speaker 3>It's like just tidying up what it is. When it's

0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:56.400
<v Speaker 3>a big rewrite, it's story's not working, or Michael wants

0:40:56.480 --> 0:40:58.480
<v Speaker 3>to just get in there and rip it up. He

0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:02.520
<v Speaker 3>has another idea he wants to do, but more often

0:41:02.560 --> 0:41:06.759
<v Speaker 3>than not, I would say it was just you know,

0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:10.000
<v Speaker 3>it's story stuff, but also like emotional stuff because, like

0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 3>I said, if that's why it was so great, you

0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:14.480
<v Speaker 3>guys are so great because if you guys aren't hitting

0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:18.280
<v Speaker 3>it it usually it wasn't because of you guys, unless

0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:22.040
<v Speaker 3>you guys were you know, there's always the question of sometimes.

0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:25.319
<v Speaker 1>They do they not understand themselves or do they not

0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:28.640
<v Speaker 1>believe it and so it's a play, or maybe they didn't.

0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:31.560
<v Speaker 3>Love that one because they it sounds and you guys

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:35.279
<v Speaker 3>can signal to us to sort of, you know, we

0:41:35.320 --> 0:41:37.440
<v Speaker 3>don't like this by kind of that kind of stuff.

0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:40.319
<v Speaker 3>Which is which is you know, is something in your

0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:42.759
<v Speaker 3>toolbox that you guys can use to sort of be

0:41:42.800 --> 0:41:46.319
<v Speaker 3>like this doesn't work, but you know any notes? Did

0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:48.880
<v Speaker 3>you guys give notes? Did you ever were you able

0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:54.040
<v Speaker 3>to give notes like hey, I feel like no, no.

0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:55.359
<v Speaker 5>No, so interesting listening to what you were saying, because

0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 5>I feel like that was kind of our only tool

0:41:58.200 --> 0:42:01.760
<v Speaker 5>was to like sort of either take performance or like yeah,

0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:05.320
<v Speaker 5>because I never I mean, in some cases I felt comfortable,

0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:08.400
<v Speaker 5>but no, like there was creatively, I did not feel

0:42:08.440 --> 0:42:10.239
<v Speaker 5>like I had the right to say I think Sean

0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:12.680
<v Speaker 5>should be this or I think maybe the scene would

0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:13.279
<v Speaker 5>be better that way.

0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:14.560
<v Speaker 2>No, No, you know it.

0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:18.600
<v Speaker 5>Was, which I think if as an adult actor, I

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:20.359
<v Speaker 5>would feel that is the point, you.

0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:22.120
<v Speaker 2>Know, it's like, oh, this scene's not working for me.

0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Here's why.

0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:24.040
<v Speaker 5>Let me give you my input, let me give you

0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:26.759
<v Speaker 5>my perspective. Back then, I never felt comfortable saying that.

0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:28.400
<v Speaker 7>Well, we talked about that, We learned about that on

0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:31.000
<v Speaker 7>you know, on mash they would have their table read

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:33.320
<v Speaker 7>and then the producers would open it up to the actors.

0:42:33.320 --> 0:42:35.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay, what do you think? What do you what do you?

0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:36.600
<v Speaker 2>How do your would your character do this?

0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:39.560
<v Speaker 7>And looking back, as you know, an adult, the idea

0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:42.439
<v Speaker 7>of having that kind of freedom as an actor would

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:43.839
<v Speaker 7>be amazing, right.

0:42:43.719 --> 0:42:45.719
<v Speaker 2>Because you don't do it now Monday morning Quarterback. But

0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:47.359
<v Speaker 2>you also don't offer that to twelve years old.

0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:50.799
<v Speaker 5>We're talking now season five, we're eighteen, nineteen years old,

0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:51.640
<v Speaker 5>and we've been doing this.

0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:54.600
<v Speaker 2>We're pros now, we should we should have probably felt comfortable,

0:42:54.680 --> 0:42:55.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, but at that point I was like, I'm

0:42:55.960 --> 0:43:00.040
<v Speaker 2>in college, I'm I'm gonna happa. Definitely yeah, and it's.

0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:02.040
<v Speaker 3>You should have been invited to do that, you know, like,

0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:04.279
<v Speaker 3>and it certainly earned at that point. You know, it

0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:08.879
<v Speaker 3>wasn't like you guys, you know so that yeah, so

0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:11.040
<v Speaker 3>so we could tell, you know, when something is getting

0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:13.800
<v Speaker 3>tanged you don't like it, and it's it's so interesting

0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:16.319
<v Speaker 3>because some of the stuff you just don't like. Because

0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:18.279
<v Speaker 3>some of the stuff I didn't like, sometimes do it

0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:20.080
<v Speaker 3>and sometimes you have a voice to change it. Sometimes

0:43:20.120 --> 0:43:23.640
<v Speaker 3>it'll change or not. But you know, and I'm so

0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:26.440
<v Speaker 3>low on the totem pole and again just kind of

0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:29.279
<v Speaker 3>sitting back and learning, learning what's going on. Okay, this

0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:31.120
<v Speaker 3>is what we felt. I felt this too in this

0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:33.279
<v Speaker 3>scene and when we're watching this run through in all this,

0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:36.960
<v Speaker 3>but I wish you guys had been able to so

0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:38.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure, I mean as adults, it must be so

0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:41.640
<v Speaker 3>weird looking back, like hmm, I should have said I

0:43:41.640 --> 0:43:43.880
<v Speaker 3>didn't like that part when I was uncomfortable playing it

0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:45.400
<v Speaker 3>and it was on TV or stuff.

0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:48.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, speaking of things people either like or do

0:43:48.400 --> 0:43:50.960
<v Speaker 1>not like. We just finished season five and we saw

0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:56.200
<v Speaker 1>Tapega propose to Corey and decide against Yale. Do you

0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:59.840
<v Speaker 1>remember any of the conversations around that. Were you a

0:43:59.880 --> 0:44:02.160
<v Speaker 1>fan of the decision? What did you think about the

0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:04.560
<v Speaker 1>proposal storyline?

0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:08.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean it's tough because now I mean this is

0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:11.520
<v Speaker 3>like these are kids, these are you know, these things.

0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:16.000
<v Speaker 3>It was always it was hard, But you have to

0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:18.040
<v Speaker 3>get yourself into the world of the show. I'll say that.

0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we've talked about that doing this podcast. But there

0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:22.919
<v Speaker 1>are just certain things about the world of the show

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:26.080
<v Speaker 1>you have to buy into to enjoy the show.

0:44:27.360 --> 0:44:29.759
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, you have to be in this. You have to

0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:33.440
<v Speaker 3>be in this story, which is ultimately this you know,

0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:36.120
<v Speaker 3>love story. You know, these two destined to.

0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:38.320
<v Speaker 2>Be together, faded together.

0:44:38.440 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 3>Yes, they have to be together. I mean, I was

0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:44.080
<v Speaker 3>auto another episode of mine. It was something where everyone's

0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:46.759
<v Speaker 3>so invested, you know, them being together. It's just such

0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:52.000
<v Speaker 3>a it was such the you know, it was the

0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:57.000
<v Speaker 3>thing that moved the show everywhere. It was that was it,

0:44:57.040 --> 0:44:59.520
<v Speaker 3>that was the engine. Once you know, that started to

0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:00.960
<v Speaker 3>be something and they were in love and they were

0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:05.160
<v Speaker 3>a couple of them okay, and it there was so

0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:08.200
<v Speaker 3>there really wasn't a way to choose anything else.

0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:09.520
<v Speaker 1>There really was.

0:45:09.880 --> 0:45:11.360
<v Speaker 3>It was never going to be anything else. It was

0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:12.960
<v Speaker 3>always going to be the two of them together. They

0:45:12.960 --> 0:45:14.359
<v Speaker 3>were never going to do that. And so they're kind

0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:16.560
<v Speaker 3>of false stakes because the audience in many ways knows

0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:18.800
<v Speaker 3>she's not going to choose that, choose that too. Yeah,

0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:24.480
<v Speaker 3>but it it was you know, I wouldn't recommend that

0:45:24.520 --> 0:45:28.840
<v Speaker 3>to my daughters. No, we've talked about that and and

0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:31.600
<v Speaker 3>then either you know, like I would never have thought

0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:35.680
<v Speaker 3>that's It's very I was coming from the Midwest where

0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:38.080
<v Speaker 3>most people did that, and I was I chose not to.

0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:41.080
<v Speaker 3>So that was my opinion, you know, Yeah.

0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:42.879
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we to be honest, we had been. We've

0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:45.520
<v Speaker 1>been a little surprised about the way Topanga was written

0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:49.080
<v Speaker 1>this season, especially because, as I mentioned, going into season five,

0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:51.319
<v Speaker 1>there hadn't been a ton of women writers, and now

0:45:51.360 --> 0:45:55.520
<v Speaker 1>in season five there were, and yet Topanga was was

0:45:55.640 --> 0:45:58.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of written as a bit of a one dimensional

0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:03.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of I mean, in my opinion, I'm very bored

0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:06.560
<v Speaker 1>by her in season five. I'm like, even the storyline

0:46:06.600 --> 0:46:08.720
<v Speaker 1>of the Yale situation, it's like the way the Yale's

0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:11.040
<v Speaker 1>even brought up, the way she talks about it, we

0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:13.800
<v Speaker 1>don't even know why she's interested in Yale. She mentions

0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:15.480
<v Speaker 1>it the only reason she even thought about it is

0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:18.359
<v Speaker 1>because her and her and Corey were broken up. And

0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:21.600
<v Speaker 1>then she has this this wonder I'm waiting for a

0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:23.759
<v Speaker 1>moment where she has a scene with mister Feenie and

0:46:23.800 --> 0:46:27.120
<v Speaker 1>then he doesn't really give her any He just like says,

0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:29.440
<v Speaker 1>if there was any good reason not to go to Yale,

0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:33.760
<v Speaker 1>then otherwise you should go. And I don't know, it's interesting.

0:46:33.800 --> 0:46:36.640
<v Speaker 1>I was wondering if there was any sort of conversation

0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:42.160
<v Speaker 1>around the way Topanga was represented or written for what

0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:44.960
<v Speaker 1>was there any sort of dialogue about that other than

0:46:45.320 --> 0:46:50.160
<v Speaker 1>in relation to what Corey is destined to have for

0:46:50.280 --> 0:46:51.040
<v Speaker 1>his life.

0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:55.960
<v Speaker 3>Right, I would say yes, but not, uh, not a

0:46:56.000 --> 0:47:00.160
<v Speaker 3>lot and it and it wasn't you know, like this.

0:47:00.239 --> 0:47:01.560
<v Speaker 3>We can get back to the sort of the mail

0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:04.200
<v Speaker 3>room and Michael and the way it was and it

0:47:04.239 --> 0:47:10.560
<v Speaker 3>was really his voice, his everything and the folk. I

0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:14.160
<v Speaker 3>don't know how he would reflect now back, but I

0:47:14.200 --> 0:47:17.600
<v Speaker 3>don't think at the time there he thought it wasn't

0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:22.480
<v Speaker 3>a full, like fleshed out character like it kind of

0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:28.200
<v Speaker 3>It's it is silly because it should have been exactly

0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:29.959
<v Speaker 3>all these things we're saying, like what and it would

0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:33.879
<v Speaker 3>be now. I can't imagine it wouldn't be like that now, But.

0:47:34.040 --> 0:47:36.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think, you know, I was thinking back to

0:47:36.000 --> 0:47:39.320
<v Speaker 5>season four where you have the Topanga care cutting episode,

0:47:39.520 --> 0:47:42.080
<v Speaker 5>you have Topanga moving away to Pittsburgh and her making

0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:44.560
<v Speaker 5>the decision to come back. She was more of an

0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:47.920
<v Speaker 5>active sort of side of that equation. And for whatever reason,

0:47:47.920 --> 0:47:50.760
<v Speaker 5>the fifth season was so much more focused on Corey,

0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:53.920
<v Speaker 5>you know, Laura and Corey making you know, and and

0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:56.279
<v Speaker 5>it just it feels like, but you know, I don't

0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:56.799
<v Speaker 5>remember him.

0:47:56.880 --> 0:47:59.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember the conversation. But you're right, because it's

0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:01.640
<v Speaker 3>anything even in those little scenes that you can talk about

0:48:01.640 --> 0:48:03.560
<v Speaker 3>with mister Feenie, like that could have been something that

0:48:04.320 --> 0:48:08.000
<v Speaker 3>at least, you know, gave her more character, you know,

0:48:08.080 --> 0:48:10.040
<v Speaker 3>true to like a character and world around in character.

0:48:10.280 --> 0:48:12.719
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember that. I do know that. I'm trying

0:48:12.760 --> 0:48:15.040
<v Speaker 3>to think. I was in there. Two other women were

0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:17.279
<v Speaker 3>in there. We were all staff writers, so we're all young,

0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:21.000
<v Speaker 3>h uh huh. Yeah, and Patty.

0:48:20.760 --> 0:48:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Carr Patty Carr, yeah.

0:48:22.920 --> 0:48:26.960
<v Speaker 3>And then another woman was a little bit uh.

0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:29.919
<v Speaker 1>And Susan Jansen was there, right, she wasn't no, she had.

0:48:29.880 --> 0:48:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Left, she was gone. And then Erica Montalvo didn't come.

0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:37.160
<v Speaker 3>She came also a staff writer, you know, and we

0:48:37.160 --> 0:48:43.040
<v Speaker 3>were all independent women. Oh yeah, and uh Ellen Eilson

0:48:43.120 --> 0:48:48.279
<v Speaker 3>was there, that's right. Yeah, and uh and and then

0:48:48.320 --> 0:48:50.520
<v Speaker 3>another woman. I'm swim blanking her name. This is terrible.

0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:57.560
<v Speaker 3>So we we were all junior, yeah, and those guys

0:48:57.560 --> 0:49:00.000
<v Speaker 3>were just kind of the old right, like the old

0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:03.040
<v Speaker 3>card like they were just there there. So it wasn't

0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:05.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure we brought it up. I mean we had to.

0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:07.560
<v Speaker 3>There was four of us that probably looking at each

0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:09.160
<v Speaker 3>other like right, really.

0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:10.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and I to be fair, the show is

0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:13.680
<v Speaker 1>called boy Meets World. It is a it is boy POV.

0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:17.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that the show needed change to be about,

0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:20.200
<v Speaker 1>but you know, it seems as though we've been really

0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:24.080
<v Speaker 1>pleasantly surprised on how many different boy povs there are.

0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:27.000
<v Speaker 1>We thought, oh, going into this, every episode's going to

0:49:27.080 --> 0:49:29.480
<v Speaker 1>be a Cory episode, and there's a few that are

0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:31.080
<v Speaker 1>given to Sean and a few that are given to Eric,

0:49:31.080 --> 0:49:33.879
<v Speaker 1>and then we've been like, oh my gosh, almost exclusively

0:49:34.239 --> 0:49:38.239
<v Speaker 1>seasons would revolve entirely around Seawan's family, and then there's

0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:42.640
<v Speaker 1>lots of great Eric storylines, and then the Tapanga storylines,

0:49:42.719 --> 0:49:45.520
<v Speaker 1>especially in season five, just seemed to really revolve around

0:49:45.719 --> 0:49:48.080
<v Speaker 1>a decision to Panga may or may not make, and

0:49:48.160 --> 0:49:50.960
<v Speaker 1>how that decision is ultimately going to affect Cory and

0:49:51.000 --> 0:49:53.960
<v Speaker 1>what Cory wants and so yeah, I kind of just

0:49:54.000 --> 0:49:55.840
<v Speaker 1>wondered if there was any if you remember any of

0:49:55.880 --> 0:49:58.960
<v Speaker 1>those discussions. But everything you're saying makes sense.

0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:02.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, did you I feel like at the time this

0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:03.680
<v Speaker 3>or now this?

0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:07.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember feeling it at the time. I remember

0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:10.960
<v Speaker 1>I remember at the time thinking that it was I

0:50:10.960 --> 0:50:14.320
<v Speaker 1>didn't really think of Tapanga outside of being Corey's girlfriend,

0:50:14.480 --> 0:50:16.719
<v Speaker 1>and I didn't necessarily have a problem with it, I

0:50:16.760 --> 0:50:21.960
<v Speaker 1>think because the memories of Tapanga being such a wonderful, quirky,

0:50:22.520 --> 0:50:26.320
<v Speaker 1>unique character in the first season were still so fresh

0:50:26.320 --> 0:50:29.600
<v Speaker 1>in my mind, and like writer had mentioned where he

0:50:29.680 --> 0:50:31.800
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, I'm going to college and whatever. I also,

0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:34.120
<v Speaker 1>at this point felt pretty comfortable in my job. I

0:50:34.160 --> 0:50:36.719
<v Speaker 1>still enjoyed my job, but I was so focused on,

0:50:36.760 --> 0:50:39.560
<v Speaker 1>like my personal life outside of the show that I

0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:43.080
<v Speaker 1>don't think I gave a ton of thought to being like,

0:50:43.920 --> 0:50:46.480
<v Speaker 1>what is going on for this thing I'm doing, this

0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:48.239
<v Speaker 1>work that I'm doing. It was just the job I

0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:49.839
<v Speaker 1>went to and I was happy to have the job.

0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:51.400
<v Speaker 1>But boy, I couldn't wait to get back to the

0:50:51.480 --> 0:50:54.600
<v Speaker 1>high school football games and my high school boyfriend and

0:50:54.840 --> 0:50:55.680
<v Speaker 1>all of that stuff.

0:50:56.000 --> 0:50:56.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:50:57.400 --> 0:50:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So you end up saying on the show through

0:50:59.719 --> 0:51:02.880
<v Speaker 1>ceas and seven, what would you say you if you

0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:05.520
<v Speaker 1>had like, I mean, you mentioned the basics that you

0:51:05.560 --> 0:51:07.640
<v Speaker 1>really learned the basics on Boy Meets World, But after

0:51:08.120 --> 0:51:11.040
<v Speaker 1>three full seasons there, what would you say you really

0:51:11.160 --> 0:51:13.680
<v Speaker 1>learned as a writer on Boy Meets World?

0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:19.399
<v Speaker 3>Well, I would say I learned that it's a lot

0:51:19.440 --> 0:51:26.360
<v Speaker 3>of work, and I learned that h that I really

0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:28.400
<v Speaker 3>loved it, Like I loved the job. Like you know,

0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:29.759
<v Speaker 3>you're like, do I want to do this? And I

0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:35.160
<v Speaker 3>loved it. I loved it. I and I after I

0:51:35.239 --> 0:51:38.200
<v Speaker 3>was done, you know, that was like the So the

0:51:38.400 --> 0:51:41.920
<v Speaker 3>contracts for writers are three seasons long. This happened to

0:51:41.920 --> 0:51:43.640
<v Speaker 3>be the last three seasons of the show. So there

0:51:43.680 --> 0:51:45.880
<v Speaker 3>was no option, like in my company to know what

0:51:45.960 --> 0:51:48.880
<v Speaker 3>was going on. And it was right when you know,

0:51:48.920 --> 0:51:50.640
<v Speaker 3>it was a lot of single cams were starting. That

0:51:50.680 --> 0:51:52.520
<v Speaker 3>was when the single cams were coming out, and it

0:51:52.560 --> 0:51:54.920
<v Speaker 3>was that was the cool thing to be on. So

0:51:55.040 --> 0:51:57.440
<v Speaker 3>I was a young writer who was going to go

0:51:57.480 --> 0:51:59.880
<v Speaker 3>get my next credit, and it was like you it

0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:05.640
<v Speaker 3>was seen as like kind of not a hot I

0:52:05.640 --> 0:52:08.080
<v Speaker 3>guess a hot credit to come off even the good

0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:10.239
<v Speaker 3>part was that it was just such a long, consistent

0:52:10.400 --> 0:52:12.600
<v Speaker 3>job that you know, I can stay at and it

0:52:12.680 --> 0:52:15.640
<v Speaker 3>was whatever. But it wasn't seen as like, oh, who's

0:52:15.640 --> 0:52:17.920
<v Speaker 3>as hot you're coming off this, So there was that

0:52:17.960 --> 0:52:20.239
<v Speaker 3>conversation with agents like, well, how do you know we're

0:52:20.280 --> 0:52:25.920
<v Speaker 3>making you like more like an edgy or whatever. But

0:52:26.960 --> 0:52:30.320
<v Speaker 3>I would never trade it. I would never trade something

0:52:30.680 --> 0:52:32.799
<v Speaker 3>in the like the tone of this show as my

0:52:32.840 --> 0:52:35.799
<v Speaker 3>first job for anything, because I guess I'm going back

0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:39.040
<v Speaker 3>to the same thing it was. You know, I learned

0:52:39.080 --> 0:52:43.319
<v Speaker 3>about character. I didn't know anything and other than being

0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:47.640
<v Speaker 3>a TV fan, and I learned, you know, not to

0:52:47.680 --> 0:52:51.560
<v Speaker 3>be offended when everything that you wrote changes. Yes, like

0:52:51.719 --> 0:52:55.839
<v Speaker 3>skin I guess came some of that, and also just

0:52:55.920 --> 0:53:00.160
<v Speaker 3>to be like it's different now a little bit. But

0:53:00.680 --> 0:53:05.560
<v Speaker 3>the hours are terrible. You work a lot, you're you're

0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:12.000
<v Speaker 3>you're kind of a victim of the showrunner's process, and

0:53:12.880 --> 0:53:17.040
<v Speaker 3>it was it was a wild process at different times,

0:53:17.040 --> 0:53:19.440
<v Speaker 3>and there were a lot of hours times when you

0:53:19.440 --> 0:53:21.080
<v Speaker 3>would just be like, what are we doing? You're just

0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:24.400
<v Speaker 3>everyone's just messing around, not accomplishing everything.

0:53:24.560 --> 0:53:26.239
<v Speaker 2>That was throwing tiktoks at each other.

0:53:26.840 --> 0:53:29.640
<v Speaker 5>What's that throwing throwing tik taks at each other. I

0:53:29.719 --> 0:53:31.680
<v Speaker 5>just remember Michael and who was a man. Now they

0:53:31.680 --> 0:53:33.200
<v Speaker 5>would just always be throwing tictack.

0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:34.480
<v Speaker 3>Now they usually be picked.

0:53:35.000 --> 0:53:39.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Mark Blutman and Michael Jacobs throwing tic TACs at Manela.

0:53:40.200 --> 0:53:42.640
<v Speaker 5>Did you did you ever even have to write another

0:53:42.719 --> 0:53:45.080
<v Speaker 5>spec then or did you just go right.

0:53:44.960 --> 0:53:48.600
<v Speaker 3>To I did because they wanted me to write something

0:53:48.200 --> 0:53:51.680
<v Speaker 3>a camera. Oh I did. I read something anti and

0:53:51.920 --> 0:53:57.440
<v Speaker 3>to compliment this, but I think I wouldn't have. It

0:53:57.960 --> 0:53:59.640
<v Speaker 3>made me be able to go to these other edge

0:53:59.640 --> 0:54:01.160
<v Speaker 3>of your shows where the story is a little bit

0:54:01.200 --> 0:54:03.560
<v Speaker 3>looser or it is kind of like more convoluted, and

0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:06.520
<v Speaker 3>still always know like it again, it was just such

0:54:06.600 --> 0:54:10.680
<v Speaker 3>a good foundation, and it was such a good and

0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:13.560
<v Speaker 3>I learned a lesson also in just like I was

0:54:13.600 --> 0:54:17.600
<v Speaker 3>given a chance, you know, and it's a lesson in that,

0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:21.360
<v Speaker 3>and to support people who you know, who want to

0:54:21.360 --> 0:54:23.839
<v Speaker 3>do this. A lot of people reach out about it,

0:54:23.880 --> 0:54:26.480
<v Speaker 3>and it's just a lesson in just like, you know,

0:54:27.440 --> 0:54:31.080
<v Speaker 3>being kind of giving people a chance, giving them a

0:54:31.120 --> 0:54:33.680
<v Speaker 3>chance to Like, I probably wasn't great at the beginning.

0:54:33.719 --> 0:54:37.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure I wasn't, and they stuck with me. All that.

0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:39.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean those and just to be I would say,

0:54:39.719 --> 0:54:44.600
<v Speaker 3>also just to be happy to be there. Yeah, you

0:54:44.640 --> 0:54:47.040
<v Speaker 3>can get pretty bad and pretty grueling on any show.

0:54:47.040 --> 0:54:50.799
<v Speaker 3>I'm not talking specifically when means world, and you are

0:54:50.840 --> 0:54:54.440
<v Speaker 3>happy to be there and tolerant of as crazy as

0:54:54.480 --> 0:54:58.839
<v Speaker 3>it gets. And that's it because it's it's hard to do.

0:54:59.200 --> 0:55:01.719
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, So what do you I'm just curious, what do

0:55:01.760 --> 0:55:06.040
<v Speaker 7>you think the recipe is for a show that lasts

0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:08.360
<v Speaker 7>the test of time, it sustains Because you've seen so

0:55:08.400 --> 0:55:10.480
<v Speaker 7>many different versions of shows. You've seen single camera, you've

0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:12.279
<v Speaker 7>seen multi camera. What do you think it takes to

0:55:12.320 --> 0:55:14.279
<v Speaker 7>have a show that people are still talking about thirty

0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:14.759
<v Speaker 7>years later?

0:55:16.600 --> 0:55:22.239
<v Speaker 3>Character mhmm. Character story is born from character things that

0:55:22.480 --> 0:55:28.040
<v Speaker 3>are real emotions that you're tapping into something real, something relatable,

0:55:28.239 --> 0:55:32.239
<v Speaker 3>making it relatable if anybody can see themselves in a

0:55:32.320 --> 0:55:36.160
<v Speaker 3>character or you know, I'm sure for so many kids

0:55:36.200 --> 0:55:39.239
<v Speaker 3>is a wish fulfillment show. Yeah, look at kids who

0:55:39.320 --> 0:55:43.359
<v Speaker 3>care about each other and those things I think are

0:55:43.400 --> 0:55:45.960
<v Speaker 3>super important. It has to be some you have to

0:55:46.000 --> 0:55:48.520
<v Speaker 3>be able to connect with it on some level, and

0:55:48.560 --> 0:55:50.720
<v Speaker 3>it can be anything. I can see myself in this character.

0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:52.839
<v Speaker 3>This is my this happened to.

0:55:52.800 --> 0:55:53.799
<v Speaker 4>Me or.

0:55:55.680 --> 0:55:59.239
<v Speaker 3>You know this, I really relate to the tone of

0:55:59.239 --> 0:56:01.320
<v Speaker 3>this show. This is a crazy workpl that's my workplace.

0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:03.560
<v Speaker 3>Anything like that. You just have to be able to

0:56:03.600 --> 0:56:07.400
<v Speaker 3>see yourself in something, you know, uh, the connection, and

0:56:07.400 --> 0:56:09.400
<v Speaker 3>then I just really like And the other thing I

0:56:09.400 --> 0:56:12.480
<v Speaker 3>would say is specificity. Specificity of character, I think is

0:56:12.600 --> 0:56:16.200
<v Speaker 3>what makes a show really good, like Seinfeld and some

0:56:16.360 --> 0:56:18.279
<v Speaker 3>of that, which was so different at the time, which

0:56:18.320 --> 0:56:20.239
<v Speaker 3>I another one of my huge obviously, that's one of

0:56:20.280 --> 0:56:24.719
<v Speaker 3>my absolute phaves, you know, and it's so different, but

0:56:24.800 --> 0:56:29.040
<v Speaker 3>those characters are so specific and so funny, and I

0:56:29.120 --> 0:56:30.320
<v Speaker 3>love hard funny.

0:56:30.400 --> 0:56:44.760
<v Speaker 1>So with your career, I like to think that maybe

0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:47.719
<v Speaker 1>we were the Staten Island stop on your long ride

0:56:47.760 --> 0:56:51.040
<v Speaker 1>to Times Square. You'd stop at Evan Stevens and Jason

0:56:51.080 --> 0:56:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Alexander Seinfeld, follow up Bob Patterson, and then you would

0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:59.040
<v Speaker 1>find yourself on a little show called Arrested Development, where

0:56:59.080 --> 0:57:02.800
<v Speaker 1>you wrote even episodes and one an emmy.

0:57:03.719 --> 0:57:07.239
<v Speaker 2>So I know, are they filled with chocolate? Are they

0:57:07.280 --> 0:57:10.640
<v Speaker 2>filled with chocolate in your life? Because they look like chocolate.

0:57:11.080 --> 0:57:11.799
<v Speaker 3>It's over there.

0:57:12.040 --> 0:57:13.080
<v Speaker 1>Do you want to get it? Do you want to

0:57:13.080 --> 0:57:13.600
<v Speaker 1>get it?

0:57:13.800 --> 0:57:13.920
<v Speaker 7>Go?

0:57:13.920 --> 0:57:19.560
<v Speaker 3>Get it? I start over there, you can tell me

0:57:20.240 --> 0:57:20.600
<v Speaker 3>it's there.

0:57:20.840 --> 0:57:22.160
<v Speaker 2>It's right there. I'm looking at it, right.

0:57:23.320 --> 0:57:24.440
<v Speaker 1>You had to look at it to make sure it

0:57:24.480 --> 0:57:25.360
<v Speaker 1>wasn't filled with chocolate.

0:57:26.120 --> 0:57:29.439
<v Speaker 3>It's by the window, and I would know it would

0:57:29.440 --> 0:57:30.400
<v Speaker 3>be it'd be melted.

0:57:30.560 --> 0:57:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay, good point.

0:57:31.800 --> 0:57:33.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm a little disappointed. I'm a little disappointed.

0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:33.920
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

0:57:33.960 --> 0:57:35.640
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, that was Yeah.

0:57:35.840 --> 0:57:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Did you know that show was special from day one?

0:57:38.680 --> 0:57:39.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:57:39.400 --> 0:57:43.560
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely absolutely, because back in the day, when you were

0:57:43.560 --> 0:57:45.600
<v Speaker 3>getting a job, you would be able to view the

0:57:45.640 --> 0:57:54.320
<v Speaker 3>pilot and so I was like, what.

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<v Speaker 2>What is this?

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<v Speaker 3>What is it?

0:57:54.160 --> 0:57:55.320
<v Speaker 2>What is this?

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<v Speaker 3>And it was just so different and so laugh out

0:58:01.360 --> 0:58:03.840
<v Speaker 3>all the funny and just you know, and I've been

0:58:04.040 --> 0:58:06.320
<v Speaker 3>coming off of like those shows that you mentioned were

0:58:06.360 --> 0:58:08.520
<v Speaker 3>largely you know, they did funny things, and they were

0:58:08.560 --> 0:58:11.240
<v Speaker 3>great and I love them all, and they were you know,

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<v Speaker 3>but they were network shows. This show, if you were

0:58:16.640 --> 0:58:19.040
<v Speaker 3>thinking of it now, would not be considered a network show.

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<v Speaker 3>A rest right, And you know, I remember pitching stuff

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<v Speaker 3>even like The Boyman's World Room. I wish I could

0:58:24.720 --> 0:58:26.960
<v Speaker 3>remember what it was, but I remember something and it

0:58:27.000 --> 0:58:31.080
<v Speaker 3>was like that was too weird or something like tangential

0:58:31.240 --> 0:58:35.520
<v Speaker 3>or too weird and this room, the rest of room.

0:58:36.040 --> 0:58:40.480
<v Speaker 3>Every tangent was indulged. There was nothing too weird. There

0:58:40.560 --> 0:58:44.360
<v Speaker 3>was nothing, and so you really felt a freedom of

0:58:44.400 --> 0:58:48.400
<v Speaker 3>creativity there where you and there was always a character.

0:58:48.920 --> 0:58:52.480
<v Speaker 3>There's always something where these things would fit in. Or

0:58:52.560 --> 0:58:54.200
<v Speaker 3>you could build it. I mean you could build things

0:58:54.280 --> 0:58:56.960
<v Speaker 3>around the craziest stuff. I mean, if you guys have

0:58:57.040 --> 0:58:58.680
<v Speaker 3>seen it, it's like I was only there for the

0:58:58.720 --> 0:59:01.120
<v Speaker 3>first two seasons because it was really crazy. It was

0:59:01.280 --> 0:59:03.400
<v Speaker 3>a lot. That was a lot of hours. I had

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<v Speaker 3>just gotten married, I want to have kids, and I

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<v Speaker 3>was We're there like seven days a week, and I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, I need to switch, I need some time.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a favorite episode or a favorite storyline

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<v Speaker 1>you wrote?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, oh no, no, it's hard. It's a

0:59:21.160 --> 0:59:26.680
<v Speaker 3>big jumble. Everybody did everything my episode. My episode I love,

0:59:26.880 --> 0:59:32.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean, everyone loves Never Nude. I love the cutoff, Tobuias,

0:59:33.040 --> 0:59:36.800
<v Speaker 3>I love all those characters were so fun to write for.

0:59:37.240 --> 0:59:40.520
<v Speaker 3>That was what was so good. I don't I mean

0:59:40.560 --> 0:59:45.160
<v Speaker 3>specific stuff. I liked it when it was to Buas

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<v Speaker 3>in one of my episodes, I think he took a

0:59:47.200 --> 0:59:53.640
<v Speaker 3>photo of himself in the tub and it was the

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<v Speaker 3>the they thought it was this, what was it something

0:59:56.480 --> 0:59:59.160
<v Speaker 3>that Sadam was saying, like in Iraq or something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>They thought something like that, some weird thing about a phototape.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought that was really funny. That was funny to do.

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<v Speaker 3>All of it was funny him. It was. It was

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<v Speaker 3>all so funny and so crazy that I can't even

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<v Speaker 3>bring myself to watch the third season or any of

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<v Speaker 3>the Netflix seasons because I'm like, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>see what I missed out on. I don't want I

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<v Speaker 3>really love that show. It was really hard, really really

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<v Speaker 3>fun creatively for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, is there one you preferred? Do you prefer multicam

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<v Speaker 2>or single cam?

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<v Speaker 3>I think I would. I vastly back and forth, so

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<v Speaker 3>I would be multiicam multicamp. And remember everything I grew

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<v Speaker 3>up on was multicam, so I always have except for

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like the Seinfeld, but I always have that

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<v Speaker 3>love for multicam. But there was like the period of

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<v Speaker 3>time creatively where you know, everything was going single camp,

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<v Speaker 3>so it was like I like that. I like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that, But I still love the multicam because

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<v Speaker 3>there's I like the there's something about having it like

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<v Speaker 3>on a proscenium you know, you're just sitting there watching

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<v Speaker 3>this thing unfold the live audience like that stuff is fun.

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<v Speaker 3>The hours were generally better, but then the single cams

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<v Speaker 3>I love because you can do more things, go more places,

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<v Speaker 3>get out more. I worked at How I Met Your Mother,

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<v Speaker 3>which was a hybrid, and that's kind of ye, that's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of a nice combo where I feel like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>we want to go out and shoot this thing outside. Great,

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<v Speaker 3>But also you had these standing sets that you knew. Yeah, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>for How I Met Your Mother.

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<v Speaker 1>You were there for the last two seasons, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>never easy landing a perfectly flown plane. What was crafting

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<v Speaker 1>the finale? Like, did you feel a lot of pressure?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, what was interesting was that season, that ninth season,

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<v Speaker 3>it was potentially ending after season eight, and so it

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<v Speaker 3>kind of this ninth season was born from not ending

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<v Speaker 3>in season eight. So that's when you got we were

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<v Speaker 3>actually meeting the mother, right, Because I originally it was

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<v Speaker 3>not supposed to be that. The guys who wrote it,

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<v Speaker 3>Bays and Times were great. The had the idea for

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<v Speaker 3>the end at the very beginning, so they had already

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<v Speaker 3>shot at the very beginning. They had shot the kids young,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, saying the ending. They had it all, it

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<v Speaker 3>was all in their brain. They eventually got to that place,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was with this little stop in between of

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<v Speaker 3>twenty two for whatever episode, Oh right, now we have

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<v Speaker 3>like the Mother, So it was kind of like a

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<v Speaker 3>and I think they were almost going to do maybe

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<v Speaker 3>they were going to do a season ten almost it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was unclear at that time, so it was really

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<v Speaker 3>born from having on this bonus episode at the end,

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<v Speaker 3>but we all knew that it was going to end

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<v Speaker 3>the way they wanted it, and it was really interesting

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<v Speaker 3>in that time seeing that finale, we kind of all

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<v Speaker 3>just sat back and been like, they kind of are

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<v Speaker 3>doing their thing, because I think it was like sort

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<v Speaker 3>of a whole emotional thing for these guys too. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean it was their whole courseties.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course. Well your IMDb reads like a murderer's

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<v Speaker 1>row of sitcoms. You have never stopped working. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Earl, How I met your mother, Life in Pieces

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<v Speaker 1>or any other act as talented as we were. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I did just want to just want to get that out.

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<v Speaker 2>She's not glancing over to the arrested development em nobody.

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<v Speaker 3>No, not at all.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I never went on to do anything else.

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<v Speaker 7>How I met your mother cast didn't go on to

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<v Speaker 7>do anything else, just us, Jason.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pronounced bodymen. Everybody knows that. So yeah, come.

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<v Speaker 3>On, you guys, really and I mean it. And even

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<v Speaker 3>watching those episodes like these guys were not oh you

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<v Speaker 3>were seasoned by that point, but you and it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was amazing and it's amazing you got you know,

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<v Speaker 3>through all of that and are what you are.

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<v Speaker 2>It really was.

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<v Speaker 3>I really took me watching these episodes again now to

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<v Speaker 3>appreciate that that you guys were doing high level stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>hard turns, emotional stuff that was hard to play, not

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<v Speaker 3>necessarily always always you know, set up one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 3>real stretching, and you guys made it all believable somehow,

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<v Speaker 3>a little a little sweet music and we had an episode.

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<v Speaker 1>We got Did your stories about working on Boy Meets

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<v Speaker 1>World ever come up in these other incredible writer's.

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<v Speaker 3>Rooms you were a part of, First Jobs come up? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of my assistants, the assistant stuff comes up.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, definitely, And and I do always, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>because we have the young writers coming in, and I

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<v Speaker 3>always do think about my experience compared to what theirs

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<v Speaker 3>is my experience getting there to compare to what theirs

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<v Speaker 3>is and it's it's so I again, like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I would never probably have gotten the chance like been

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like had this career and like yeah, unless

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<v Speaker 3>I was given the chance to sort of really really

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<v Speaker 3>learn and you learn by doing. And it was it

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<v Speaker 3>was great. It was I really have just such positive

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<v Speaker 3>even with the negative stuff. And there was stuff with

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the hours and different things I had to

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<v Speaker 3>do or whatever whatever time, so much waste of time.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like a super efficient person even with all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>It really was a perfect experience for me because it

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<v Speaker 3>taught me everything really well.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we let you go, I want to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>you about twenty twenty four because you continue to be

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<v Speaker 1>a premier name when it comes to staffing writers and

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<v Speaker 1>you just worked on the massive Netflix hit Nobody Wants This,

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<v Speaker 1>which was one of the few high points in TV

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<v Speaker 1>this year. What was it that drew you to that project?

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<v Speaker 3>So that project, I was not there at the beginning

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<v Speaker 3>they were shooting, So that was a pro that was

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<v Speaker 3>started before the strike, even shooting before right and then

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<v Speaker 3>it had a big break and then came back and

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<v Speaker 3>so they had done the first few it was going well,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think there were some issues with Netflix and

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<v Speaker 3>the stories and things kind of blew up a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit as it was portrayed to me. And then I

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<v Speaker 3>joined on episode. I was there for the last half,

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<v Speaker 3>the last five episodes. That was the first season it had, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>and they just wanted some more write support, I know.

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<v Speaker 3>I think what happened too is that they had lost

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<v Speaker 3>some writers and they were some turnaround. Anyways, that's so

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<v Speaker 3>I joined it, and it was really about I had

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<v Speaker 3>read the script a long time before, because they would

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<v Speaker 3>look hed look for a showrunner, like I honestly think

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<v Speaker 3>it was maybe at least a year plus that before

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<v Speaker 3>that even or maybe I don't know, a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>And I loved the script already, so I already knew it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd you know, met some of the people in charge

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<v Speaker 3>of that. I already already loved it. And I loved

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<v Speaker 3>that it was a rom com. I mean, it was

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<v Speaker 3>so it seems so roundbreaking up. It was a real

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<v Speaker 3>wrong com on TV. But that used that was such

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<v Speaker 3>a people forget the rom com a genre is that's

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<v Speaker 3>like so pure wrong com. And I liked I could

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<v Speaker 3>you know, relate to it? Uh and you know, obviously

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<v Speaker 3>it was already stacked with like a great cast, and

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<v Speaker 3>then when I got there, it was incredibly, incredibly fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Now that was an all female room except for one person.

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<v Speaker 3>When I got there, it had gone through different iterations.

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<v Speaker 3>People had come and go, there were men and more

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<v Speaker 3>men previously, you know, things had shifted around, people had

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<v Speaker 3>left or other jobs because they had gone on for

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<v Speaker 3>so long, and that was all women and that was great.

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<v Speaker 3>That was so cool for me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 7>So another typical Hollywood female writers room. If I have

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<v Speaker 7>to hear that story one more time about that, the

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<v Speaker 7>stereotypical all women's writers room, come.

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<v Speaker 3>On exactly, that's right, right, writing like questionably degrading things.

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<v Speaker 2>About men, and like right, you got.

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<v Speaker 3>But it was col it was efficient, it was supportive,

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<v Speaker 3>it great.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you surprised at all by the mainstream response to

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<v Speaker 1>like a romantic story about a rabbi.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, but also no, because it was almost the answer

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<v Speaker 3>to the hot priest from.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh right, yeah, flee back.

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<v Speaker 3>But it was That's what people are saying is that

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<v Speaker 3>it's the answer to that. But I was surprised at

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<v Speaker 3>the Oh my god, because it's very rare that you're

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<v Speaker 3>writing on a show that everybody's seen. Yeah, everybody that show,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's very very rare. When they showed the first

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<v Speaker 3>episode to us when I had finally gotten finished, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>right almost when we were done, we watched it and

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<v Speaker 3>we were giving thoughts on that kissing scene, that the

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<v Speaker 3>one where they am playing it famous because I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like people are talking about it. They finally kissed, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh, people are gonna love this. It

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<v Speaker 3>was so good. Their chemistry was so good. And that

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<v Speaker 3>speaks to again, something you guys also had on your show,

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<v Speaker 3>Like there was so much chemistry cast chemistry that obviously

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<v Speaker 3>was sexual chemistry, but like just chemistry, Like I believe this.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really saying I believe this. I' me in the

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<v Speaker 3>moment with these these characters and I believe what they're

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<v Speaker 3>doing is real and that I saw that, and I'm like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>people are gonna like this.

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<v Speaker 7>Do you think I have I have one more question

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<v Speaker 7>I've asked the people in the know in the industry

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<v Speaker 7>because of just my love. Do you think sitcom and

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<v Speaker 7>multiicam is going to make a comeback at any point?

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<v Speaker 3>A comeback you mean be dominant?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like it used to be.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it is coming back. There are things. There's

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<v Speaker 3>a few now, and I do think that it is

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<v Speaker 3>going to It's it's cheaper, so I feel like that

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<v Speaker 3>will help, and I feel like what's interesting about it,

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<v Speaker 3>I find is that when people who are coming up

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<v Speaker 3>don't know how to do it, it's a different skill

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<v Speaker 3>set than a single cam writer. As a writer, it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just a different genre almost, And so you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and not only as a writer to write the script,

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<v Speaker 3>but also like the run through is that's all you know? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you do like little obviously in the single cam you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you're watching it rehearse, but a run through the show

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<v Speaker 3>night where you're on the you know, in the moment,

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<v Speaker 3>coming up with jokes, jokes, jokes, that's not as prevalent

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<v Speaker 3>of a writer's skill set. Right now, many more writers

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<v Speaker 3>are doing the sort of the edgy or I would

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<v Speaker 3>call it stuff. I think that it will always survive

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<v Speaker 3>because I think it's cheaper and I think I think

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<v Speaker 3>it appeals. I think it's appealing in so many ways

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<v Speaker 3>to so many audiences. And if when it comes to

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<v Speaker 3>network TV, I mean, you know, I feel like they'll

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<v Speaker 3>keep doing it too. I really do do you guys

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<v Speaker 3>think so?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think so.

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<v Speaker 5>I think I think if it's framed correctly, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's sort of like when you ask you

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<v Speaker 5>think like you could have been asking this question about

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<v Speaker 5>you know, radio radio plays and you can say like,

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<v Speaker 5>well they died and as a form, but then you're like,

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<v Speaker 5>but podcasts right like they So it comes back but

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<v Speaker 5>in a new sort of framed way. And I think

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<v Speaker 5>there will always be a place for multicam.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just too you know. And like when you mentioned Cheers,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, right, that was that's still like one

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<v Speaker 2>of the.

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<v Speaker 5>Perfect ones, brilliant because it made sense of the proscenium right, like,

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<v Speaker 5>it made sense of the actual place itself as to

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<v Speaker 5>why this this this should only be a multicamer show.

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<v Speaker 5>You couldn't do it as a non multigam, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I think there's always going to be a way to

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<v Speaker 5>find a way in that that makes it make sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think so too. And I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>cracking that, like there has to be a way to

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<v Speaker 3>sort of modernize that in a way that people feel

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<v Speaker 3>like they're and they do do some of that stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like, and the acting I don't think is

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<v Speaker 3>as much like as it. You know, I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>you can do more subtle acting than something. If you

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<v Speaker 3>watch a lot of old shows, there's not yes, it

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<v Speaker 3>just feels false. So I think they need to feel real.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there has to be a way too, because

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<v Speaker 3>some you know, when you're thinking of ideas too, and

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<v Speaker 3>as a writer and store in your different series ideas

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever, some of them you're like they used you

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<v Speaker 3>used to have to when you were writing a script

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<v Speaker 3>or pitching something and you wanted to pitch it as

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<v Speaker 3>a single cam right when these single cams came out,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and it was really popular. So of course

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<v Speaker 3>you're pitching signal cams single cam, but you'd have to

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<v Speaker 3>think of a reason why it warrants a single cam.

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<v Speaker 3>Why does this be single Like, Okay, they're jumping time,

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<v Speaker 3>they're doing this, they're doing crazy, ever it is, I

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<v Speaker 3>get that. But if it's just takes place at an office,

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<v Speaker 3>well that can also be a multicam, Like what is it?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it the tone that makes you know? What is

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<v Speaker 3>it that? And if it's the tone that makes it, say,

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<v Speaker 3>is there a way to update the tone of a

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<v Speaker 3>multi camp? But does it feel like that. You know

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<v Speaker 3>that's the challenge.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, how I met your mother kind of did that

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<v Speaker 7>with like you're saying with the hybrid might be the

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<v Speaker 7>kind of the new the new wave.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you look at something like like Friends is

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<v Speaker 3>more popular than ever, I mean as popular, I would say,

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<v Speaker 3>but continues popular with new audiences. And so there is

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<v Speaker 3>something that still works. And I would say when that shoe,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, that's the chemistry they did kind of some

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<v Speaker 3>weird stories. They let the character bizarre things as opposed

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<v Speaker 3>to sort of being like very straight family or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>It was the typical one. So I do think it

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<v Speaker 3>can come back.

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<v Speaker 1>Final question for you now, looking back nearly thirty years

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<v Speaker 1>later on The Boy Meets World, your first job, in

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<v Speaker 1>your prolific credits, what would Barbie Adler tell Barbie Feldman?

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<v Speaker 3>Now, Oh wow, I would say prepare for ups and downs,

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<v Speaker 3>and that there always will be en up and to

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<v Speaker 3>not always be true to what you think if the

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<v Speaker 3>prevailing opinion goes another way, or if someone doesn't like

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<v Speaker 3>your idea, because people can be pretty blunt or you know,

1:13:45.800 --> 1:13:52.559
<v Speaker 3>just dismissive or whatever. That that's an opinion that I

1:13:52.680 --> 1:13:56.559
<v Speaker 3>learned later, which I would tell my young self. There's

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<v Speaker 3>a million ways to go in these stories. Every story

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<v Speaker 3>is kind have been told before. There's a million ways

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<v Speaker 3>to go. Just because you pitched something that isn't liked

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<v Speaker 3>or used, don't be afraid to pitch it. And who

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<v Speaker 3>cares if they don't use it. It doesn't mean it's

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<v Speaker 3>not good. It just means it didn't go. So it's

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<v Speaker 3>really I guess it would be confidence based. Don't let

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<v Speaker 3>because you don't. You're working with different people from different backgrounds,

1:14:20.040 --> 1:14:22.400
<v Speaker 3>and you change your job so often. You have to

1:14:22.439 --> 1:14:26.280
<v Speaker 3>get used to those dynamics. So have faith in what

1:14:26.520 --> 1:14:29.160
<v Speaker 3>you know is good and funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. Thank you so much for spending your

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<v Speaker 1>very precious time with us. It's been so nice reconnecting

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<v Speaker 1>with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you guys are great. I appreciate you having me

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<v Speaker 3>on here. It's really been sow much fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, wonderful reconnecting with you. Thank you so much, Barbie,

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<v Speaker 1>it was great to see you.

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<v Speaker 3>Bye you guys, Bye Barbie.

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<v Speaker 1>She's so great man, so cool.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh wow, I remember see I knew that she was

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<v Speaker 7>there before she was a writer, souse. I remember seeing

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<v Speaker 7>her because you're right, we weren't all that different in age.

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<v Speaker 7>I know she's likes to say she's a lot older

1:14:59.200 --> 1:15:01.040
<v Speaker 7>than me, but she's not. I think we're not all

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<v Speaker 7>that different in age. And yeah, she would always be

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<v Speaker 7>with Carlos and they'd always be on the said and

1:15:05.840 --> 1:15:07.800
<v Speaker 7>and it was rare for me to have people around

1:15:07.800 --> 1:15:12.000
<v Speaker 7>my age at that time. So always always loved Barbie

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<v Speaker 7>and Carlos to too great.

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<v Speaker 1>I know we still we have to interview Carlos, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't we.

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<v Speaker 2>Have what we do?

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<v Speaker 7>We do?

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<v Speaker 2>We got to bring he wrote an episode in seasons Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Great, so maybe we can do it. We can bring him.

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<v Speaker 2>We also keep saying Mitch Bank, we gotta bring Mitch

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<v Speaker 2>on as well. That's another one.

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<v Speaker 7>That's a big one as well, because he'll be able

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<v Speaker 7>to maybe verify the audience. Prisoners, Yeah, and Janna, Jana,

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<v Speaker 7>Janna who booked the prisoners.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you talking about? Or he's going to be like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a couple of times we had you just you.

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<v Speaker 2>But even if the prisoners were coming in, they were

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<v Speaker 2>coming in on Wednesday, not for tape.

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<v Speaker 7>Really, we're going to get into a sumantic debate about

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<v Speaker 7>what day the prisoners were there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because then Mitch wouldn't have been doing the warm up.

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<v Speaker 2>He would only do the war did.

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<v Speaker 7>He not do?

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<v Speaker 5>Did we have any warm up to Wednesday? Tom Right Wednesday?

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<v Speaker 5>I remember, yes, Yes, we started taking over the Wednesday

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<v Speaker 5>warr and.

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<v Speaker 2>Then when did Wednesday go away? Do we only do

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<v Speaker 2>that first thing?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I don't even remember doing it.

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<v Speaker 5>They brought it in third or fourth season and then

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<v Speaker 5>kept doing it, but we would only do it every

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<v Speaker 5>We wouldn't do it every week because anytime there was

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<v Speaker 5>too complicated of a swing set or a scene that,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, we wouldn't have a Wednesday audience.

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<v Speaker 2>We would just pretape Wednesday. But we had a Wednesday

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<v Speaker 2>audience like season six and seven. As far as I

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<v Speaker 2>remember it, really, I don't remember that at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a small audience. It wasn't the full crowd.

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<v Speaker 2>It was mostly school children. I remembered it early, but

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<v Speaker 2>then I didn't remember it later. Wowkme weird?

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