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Speaker 1: No, No, it's just a it's not a like a

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Speaker 1: So since I you can, yeah, it can happen. This

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Speaker 1: Let me go. And we're like grabbing hands and three

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Speaker 1: I guess. I don't know what's behind me? Is the

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Speaker 2: Oh that's it. So you never found out what happened.

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Speaker 2: This was all part of your massage.

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Speaker 6: What I was gonna say is that massage is first

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Speaker 2: Dongratulations, It's like the game. It's like a movie. Oh

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Speaker 1: I yeah, I just I couldn't believe it. I called

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Speaker 2: So are you going to go back and have them

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Speaker 2: do the other half of the body? Does that work?

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Speaker 1: It's just a personal decision.

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Speaker 7: This is.

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Speaker 2: My life.

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Speaker 1: Now my life is making a pre show. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: pod meets World. I'm run from a burning building Danielle.

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Speaker 7: So.

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Speaker 1: One thing we noticed during our season five Rewatch was

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Speaker 1: And this week's guest is another impressive example. We knew

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Speaker 1: But if you followed Barbie's career since writing for us, Goofballs,

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Speaker 7: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's so great to see you, So.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us once we entered

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Speaker 1: so now before we take all the credit Boy Meets

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Speaker 1: out how Boy Meets World was your first ever writing job.

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Speaker 1: How did this happen?

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Speaker 3: This is like during they had just gotten a pilot

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Speaker 7: Because you're speaking my language with kind of loving TV

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Speaker 3: Well, that would be Thursday night on NBC primarily, that

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Speaker 3: so much, hand Family Ties, those were really spoke to me. H, Yeah,

438
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 3: I loved I loved Also, if I remember Moonlighting, loving

439
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 3: and just like kind of loving just the dialogue falling

440
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 3: in love, which sort of the idea of like dialogue

441
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 3: and all this stuff.

442
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we had talked about the fact that the

443
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 1: first couple of seasons or few seasons of Boy Meets

444
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 1: World were not necessarily known for its feminine touch, and

445
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: then we noticed, like around season five, there seemed to

446
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: be a nice uptick in women writers. What was your

447
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 1: experience coming in and did it ever feel like a

448
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: boy's club or did you feel very welcome right from

449
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: the beginning?

450
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:56,439
Speaker 3: Yes, boys club? Okay. Also yes, yes, welcome because he

451
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 3: wanted me to be there, and I had known these

452
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 3: guys for a couple of years because remember a lot

453
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 3: of these guys had just been you know, they were

454
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 3: the whole time. So I had already brought everyone there

455
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 3: lunch and then all the cougar Oh, I actually we're

456
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 3: going to get it back.

457
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,719
Speaker 2: We're getting it back. We're going to figure out how

458
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 2: to get.

459
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 3: Kid sand it too soon. We all know they had problems. Okay, Yeah,

460
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 3: I uh so I felt like I was very welcome there,

461
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 3: and I didn't really feel the you know, the wait,

462
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 3: we're considering you to be an assistant sort of thing,

463
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 3: we're considering this person, you're coming in here. I kind

464
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 3: of just felt welcome and that again it comes from

465
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 3: Michael welcoming me in there. I didn't boys club. I

466
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 3: didn't know it was a boys club. It was just

467
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 3: a bunch of men and they were kind of you know,

468
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 3: I had a lot of them have known each other forever,

469
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 3: and it was the camaraderie there. But they all had wives,

470
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 3: and they all had kids, and you know, they all

471
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 3: had women in their lives that I feel, you know,

472
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 3: we would hear about and positive stuff. So it wasn't

473
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 3: like some of the rooms that are very difficult for women,

474
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 3: which but it wasn't one of those because I feel like,

475
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 3: I don't know, I guess this isn't necessarily the case

476
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 3: with all but I was just going to say the

477
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 3: show and the content of the show, it was such

478
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 3: a warm y though. It wasn't like we were doing,

479
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 3: you know, such negative stuff or whatever.

480
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 2: It wasn't cynical, right, and.

481
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 3: Michael and they knew I was Michael. I was Michael's person,

482
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 3: and they all liked me. I liked all them. I mean,

483
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 3: it's like menel it's in there and all those guys,

484
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 3: so you know, yeah, group and the other women. I

485
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 3: feel like there was a team that came in and

486
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 3: then after that, and another woman a couple, and that

487
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 3: I think it was all positive in that area, to

488
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 3: their credit, because it was a time when it wasn't

489
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 3: really always like that. But before I had gotten in

490
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 3: that room, you know, I'm on shows now and you

491
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 3: welcome the writers distance in the room and you're kind

492
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 3: of just everybody can kind of come in and sit

493
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 3: and listen. It was a very very closed door room.

494
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 3: So I never even sat in the writer's room before

495
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 3: I became a writer. Never wow, which is so different

496
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 3: from now. I feel like when they really it was

497
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 3: it was doors closed, don't go in. So who knows

498
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 3: what happened before I got there, But while I was there,

499
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 3: it was never something. And I also can hang with

500
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 3: the guys anyways, I'm not, you know, And it was

501
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 3: a different time when you were sort of expected to yes,

502
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 3: and you're expected to and you're you're kind of tuned

503
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 3: differently where you're not like it is now. And I'm

504
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 3: sure some of the things that did go on. If

505
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 3: I were to plot myself in that room right now,

506
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 3: I'd be like, whoa, oh my god, You're.

507
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: Like you'd yeah, you'd you'd hear it differently now than

508
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: you heard it.

509
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 3: Then absolutely and you and you would also, you know,

510
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 3: you were I was supposed to tolerate it, like you're saying,

511
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 3: you're supposed to like sort of hang with it, and

512
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 3: I and that was And I was also so junior,

513
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 3: So a lot of factors may have affected my perspective

514
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 3: at the time that I wonder how I feel now.

515
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: But you'll be happy to hear. I'm sure that your episode,

516
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: Raging Corey is quite possibly writer's number one favorite episode

517
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: of the series thus far.

518
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: Me too, And it's in the arguments.

519
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: It's in at least the top two. It's top two

520
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: for me. We absolutely love it. We are obsessed with it.

521
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: It is a perfect episode of television.

522
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: Yo.

523
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 3: All right, well, and I guess we're done.

524
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.

525
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: I'm creating for us.

526
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: I had no idea, Yeah, massive, massive fans. We to

527
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: recap for anyone who doesn't remember. It focuses on Allan

528
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: as a father and his strained relationships with Corey and Eric.

529
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: Where did the origin of the idea come from? For you?

530
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Speaker 3: Well, I think that the top So it was everybody

531
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 3: you know and you talked about this, I'm sure a bunch,

532
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 3: But like everybody's ideas, kind of go into one pot

533
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 3: and then every the room, so it wasn't all solely mine.

534
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 3: Of course I contributed over about the first draft, but

535
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 3: what you see on TV often is very different. And

536
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if we had the story broken like

537
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 3: that when I wrote it. But I remember in the

538
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 3: initial conception it was boxing. That's why. So they didn't

539
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 3: change the title, you know, So that's why, And it

540
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 3: was that, and for some reason it got changed, probably

541
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 3: because that's extraordinarily difficult and it didn't quite work. We

542
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 3: didn't quite need it, and so I can't remember the

543
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 3: original structure. I could find my old draft, I'm sure

544
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 3: that would.

545
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: Be so we would love to read it.

546
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 3: Yes, I had to look really far somewhere over here

547
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 3: because I'm like, oh, the file cabins over there, like

548
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 3: almost me to go over to it. And so I

549
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 3: think what I I the episode that I what I

550
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 3: love about the episode is that it feels over in

551
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 3: a weird way and then it keeps going into the

552
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 3: part of it, which was something that I'm so proud

553
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 3: of having that in an episode with my perfect Yeah. Yeah,

554
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 3: and the perfection is all due to the writers as

555
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: a group and Michael and everybody I just got lucky

556
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 3: enough to have my name on it.

557
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 5: But it's just a perfect sitcom in that it's like

558
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 5: everything is character based, it's every you know, everybody feels motivated,

559
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 5: and then just like you said, spins the story into

560
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 5: a new chapter. So it's like Alan has this experience

561
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 5: with Corey, and Corey goes to talk to Sean, and

562
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 5: Sean has experience with his brother.

563
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: It's like it's all just keeps.

564
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 5: Spinning, and it's like it's you know, it's one of

565
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 5: these things where no one's lives are really changed by

566
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 5: it's per ec sitcom.

567
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: It's like and yet we've seen them all.

568
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 5: Illustrate who they are, try and change, come back to

569
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 5: who they really fundamentally are they it also but it.

570
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 7: Also goes with something we were talking about, which is

571
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 7: it became a joke on the podcast because as we

572
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 7: were watching, especially the first season, in a little bit

573
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 7: in the second season, it wasn't until like episode three

574
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 7: or four of the second season that Alan realized he

575
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 7: had two sons.

576
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 2: So there there's that that That episode also.

577
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 7: Worked great because it leant into oh, that's right, I've

578
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 7: got two kids. That and you know, that's what Amy says,

579
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 7: she's like she literally says, along the way you had

580
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 7: two kids are two boys and a girl like and

581
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 7: and so we love that it leaned into the fact

582
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 7: that we were like, hey, I wonder when they're going

583
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 7: to realize that Eric's their kid too, and then boom,

584
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 7: it was part of Yeah, and then you're.

585
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 5: The great set piece of the skydiving. I mean, it's

586
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 5: like it's a it's a it seems like a big

587
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 5: set piece, but it's actually just a very simple scene

588
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 5: and these guys just get to yell at each other

589
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 5: and it's so funny.

590
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: And there's a beautiful tag with Morgan at the end

591
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: where even earlier in.

592
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: The episode you see a little Morgan. I'm like, she's

593
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 3: coming back, huh.

594
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 8: So good.

595
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 3: And the girls with you know, like the daughters and

596
00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 3: the sons, and I love that that that piece in

597
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 3: the plane. It's so funny because it's so it's so

598
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 3: long to be yelling this.

599
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: Entire but it gets funnier.

600
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 5: It's one of those things it's like the more you

601
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 5: lead into it, then it does.

602
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 3: It does, and it's able, which which is great because

603
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 3: it's like that thing where you're like, they can't still be.

604
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 5: You still young, You're getting more emotional, right, it's getting

605
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 5: more personal as good.

606
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 3: And it's it's and it was funny and different and

607
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 3: it was different from the show. It just felt like

608
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 3: it was the show in uh creative like you're saying,

609
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 3: like things like spinning, they don't really end up they

610
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 3: end up having learn and grown, but it's not a

611
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 3: significant Oh now we're going to go in this direction.

612
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 3: I'm now I'm going to school and you know, it's

613
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 3: it was a fun emotional parenting, you know, parent sun

614
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 3: story and super relatable.

615
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 5: And it brought Alan back into the show, which you know,

616
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 5: at the point sort of getting you know, compared to

617
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 5: the first season, they were already starting to fade away.

618
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: But it's just so interesting because I feel like.

619
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 5: You know, so often we tend to look back and

620
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 5: be like the serialized episodes of Boys One, the ones

621
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 5: that like created this relationship or broke up this relationship,

622
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 5: And here's one that was just like no, it was

623
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 5: like it was a great maintenance episode of boy Meets

624
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 5: World and just so yeah, one of the funniest.

625
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 3: So, oh, thank you guys, that's a nice Again, I

626
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 3: can't take credit everybody's credit of course, but I am

627
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 3: lucky enough to have I mean, that is exciting and

628
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 3: it was so exciting for me. And like I said,

629
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 3: it started off and into a really different place. Yeah,

630
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 3: and it ends up like that and that's the process

631
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 3: and and you never know what's going to end up

632
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 3: on television.

633
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: I mean it was then next is Eric tell us

634
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: about that? What was going on? It's so good?

635
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that one that is just so That

636
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 3: one's so crazy and so funny. I mean, I'm I

637
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: was laughing out loud on that one with you know,

638
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 3: it was Will Will, You had me laughing. It was

639
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 3: later do you feel Will did they let you?

640
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 7: Like?

641
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 3: Was were you like unleashed on those scenes? Because I

642
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 3: feel like like I feel like you were so dependably

643
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 3: rock solid, funny and creative, interesting fun ways and then

644
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 3: like Corey could still go back and be like, oh

645
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 3: this is like a real guy. But in that one,

646
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: all of that, I was like this, it was like crazy,

647
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 3: it was crazy.

648
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 2: We had it was fun.

649
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 7: It was just fun all the way around. And it

650
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 7: was it was I don't know, unleashed. I mean it

651
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 7: was like when you get the material and the materials

652
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 7: there and you get you're given the chance to play,

653
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 7: then great things can happen.

654
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: And it was just so much.

655
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: Fun and maybe the best will has ever been all

656
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: the different moments he was able to hit. It was,

657
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: writer had commented when we watched it, the journey he

658
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: takes the viewer on even just in one scene, You're like,

659
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: this guy can reel you in with anything he.

660
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 5: Does, all the different styles of acting, and yeah, and

661
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 5: setting the tone for from beat to beat he's setting

662
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 5: it's just incredible.

663
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 3: So true and and big laughs and always you know,

664
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 3: something different, and and then it's sort of like meta meta,

665
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 3: and it was it's so it's such it's a weird one,

666
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 3: but so incredibly fun.

667
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 5: And that Do you remember the conversations, the creative conversations

668
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 5: that led to it.

669
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 3: Probably not, not really.

670
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: Do you do you remember?

671
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 7: One of the things that writer seems to remember is

672
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 7: that originally other actors were cast to play the characters.

673
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: They weren't going to play them.

674
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, I know. And when I was I

675
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 3: was watching it too, I watched it on again, just

676
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 3: like prep for this. I was like, it is a

677
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 3: huge swing. So that so then there must have been

678
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 3: something that was another direction first that didn't quite work,

679
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 3: and they were like, let's just do this and try it.

680
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 3: But it was such a big, broad, fun episode that

681
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 3: it was kind of all bets are off.

682
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: Where did the idea come from to poke fun at

683
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: the writer's room with the young kids as the writer's room?

684
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 3: Probably that's probably Michael. I mean, I mean that table

685
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 3: was Michael's family. Yes, yes, I have Yeah, so funny,

686
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 3: I think probably, I know that was I like that,

687
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 3: that's funny. I mean it did. It gets so it

688
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 3: was such a weird meta. But by the way, that

689
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 3: is also the luxury of twenty two episodes.

690
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, do that.

691
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 3: They're not all so precious, not that that one's you know,

692
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 3: that one is a great one, But you wouldn't really

693
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 3: do that one. If you're like, oh, we have thirteen,

694
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 3: we have to advance this. You're just like this, let's

695
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 3: let's have a fun episode.

696
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I mean we were doing twenty four, so

697
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, you really, how do you.

698
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 2: Do twenty four and not end up in World War two?

699
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: Come on? You know, come on, I mean, seriously.

700
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 5: I'm traveling, cat, Let's do something.

701
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 3: You got to do something because you got to get

702
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 3: to that finish line. But that's part of the fun

703
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 3: because those episodes that are a little more out there,

704
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 3: you know, you know, taking a shot at something or

705
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 3: something that's a little more absurd or what somebody is

706
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 3: some just somebody has an itch they want to scratch

707
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 3: in the writing room, when you indulge it, like, that's

708
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 3: so fun. That's the freedom of having all those episodes too.

709
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 1: Did you have a character you particularly liked writing for?

710
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: Both Raging Corey and Eric Hollywood have some pretty good

711
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: Eric stuff. Did you have a character you liked writing

712
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: for more than others?

713
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: And why was it?

714
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 7: Me?

715
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 3: Okay, well, well you go. I loved writing. I love

716
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 3: jokes like I love That's why I love the show.

717
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 3: I love hard jokes. I love not like obvious hackey jokes.

718
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 3: I love smart I love things creative jokes. And so

719
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 3: I loved writing for all you guys. I loved seeing

720
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 3: what you did with what was written. I can tell

721
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 3: you that that was really really fun for me seeing,

722
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 3: like I said, well, you know, just doing something. I

723
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 3: was watching another one last what was the one I

724
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 3: was watching my episodes? It was from the season later.

725
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 3: It was when Feenie was in college, and like that's

726
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 3: when his wife was, you know, his real and you

727
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 3: did something where you're like in a space about something

728
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 3: and it's just that was kind of not really written

729
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 3: like that, but then you do with it and like

730
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 3: all of you guys did and giving like such good performances.

731
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 3: I feel like people don't realize that it's so hard

732
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: to find awesome kid actors who then can get even

733
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 3: better like young adult actors. And that's what was so great.

734
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: A lot of shows you write and you're like, okay, well,

735
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 3: let's just kind of limit this person because by season whatever,

736
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: you're like, this isn't this great as we thought it

737
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 3: would be, but we're stuck whatever it is. It's like,

738
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 3: oh no, no, everyone everyone is a home run hitter

739
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 3: in this show, like it was you. That's what I

740
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 3: loved about writing for you guys. You didn't worry like, okay, well,

741
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 3: she's never gonna be able to get this joke right right,

742
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 3: like your timing Danielle. It's like it was so good

743
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 3: and your jokes and your ability to like tolerate like

744
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 3: madness around me with like whenever Corey's being silly or

745
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 3: just too juvenile or whatever is and still be like

746
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 3: your character maintain person and keep us buying that relationship

747
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 3: was so is so hard. I don't know how people

748
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 3: People may not really realize, like that's so hard to

749
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: play all that and and the believability and in a

750
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 3: comedy and still hit hard jokes very rare. Writer your next.

751
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: You don't have to know that.

752
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 3: And writer, I think people would probably think of like

753
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 3: all like the emotional stuff for you, Like what a

754
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 3: dramatic life that kid had, you know, to play all

755
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 3: that and to be so young and play it with

756
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 3: a light touch. And it was again, I don't think

757
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 3: people realize the quality of the acting is better than

758
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 3: many adults. Luck. It was just magic and fat. It

759
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 3: was really really and that was what my fun was

760
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 3: that you didn't have to write so that a character

761
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 3: could handle it. You could write to see the character

762
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 3: ascend to it or put their spin on it, and

763
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 3: you knew it would be better. That was what was fun.

764
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 7: How did you so we would often see because obviously

765
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 7: one of the things we've talked about a whole bunch

766
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 7: of times is how we were separated from the writer's room.

767
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 7: We didn't really get to see what was going on.

768
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 7: And I think that was done on purpose. It was

769
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 7: kind of we were shielded from a lot of things,

770
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 7: which was a good thing in the long run. But

771
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 7: there was a lot of times we would do run

772
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 7: throughs and then there'd be a massive rewrite, and I'm curious,

773
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 7: how did you determine if it faults not the right word,

774
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 7: but if it was us or the material, because there

775
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 7: had to be a time where the writing was there.

776
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 7: You knew the writing was there, and we just didn't

777
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 7: hit it a run through. I mean, how do you

778
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 7: determine whether no, the materials there, they just had an

779
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 7: off day as opposed to okay, they gave it their all,

780
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 7: and it's the material. Where do you pick that up?

781
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 3: I would say that it's most it's almost always the material.

782
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: It's something that you try that you finally get to hear,

783
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 3: you know, like it's on its feet, as they say,

784
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 3: you know, you hear it, and it's like, oh no,

785
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 3: that's not that's not what we want, or it's not

786
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 3: funny enough. It was really not. Because anything that was

787
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 3: performance related could be there were notes for that. You

788
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 3: guys want little notes or try to play it this way,

789
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: or different takes where you could try different things or whatever.

790
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 3: But if it's usually those notes were about the story,

791
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 3: the story. You know, Michael had a interesting way about

792
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 3: taking notes at these run throughs. Have you guys talked

793
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 3: about this in my covering this stuff you guys talked

794
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 3: about it was he would then, so you have all

795
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 3: the executives out there, and did you guys ever hear

796
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 3: the notes after the runthroughs or anything? Were you guys

797
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 3: were gone? Yeah? So did he do the same thing

798
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 3: where he would he just tell them what he's fixing

799
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 3: before they'd give him any Yeah, which was an interesting thing.

800
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 3: It was almost like if you do wait for those notes,

801
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 3: you know, if you do hear those notes, usually they're

802
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 3: about probably the things that he was fixing. Anyways, this

803
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 3: needs a better ending. This felt too long. This isn't working.

804
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 3: You know, we don't feel the emotion. We haven't set

805
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 3: up something that we're trying to pay off at the end,

806
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 3: or the payoff doesn't fit the setup, those kind of things.

807
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 3: It's like just tidying up what it is. When it's

808
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 3: a big rewrite, it's story's not working, or Michael wants

809
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 3: to just get in there and rip it up. He

810
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 3: has another idea he wants to do, but more often

811
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 3: than not, I would say it was just you know,

812
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: it's story stuff, but also like emotional stuff because, like

813
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 3: I said, if that's why it was so great, you

814
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 3: guys are so great because if you guys aren't hitting

815
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 3: it it usually it wasn't because of you guys, unless

816
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 3: you guys were you know, there's always the question of sometimes.

817
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: They do they not understand themselves or do they not

818
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: believe it and so it's a play, or maybe they didn't.

819
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 3: Love that one because they it sounds and you guys

820
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 3: can signal to us to sort of, you know, we

821
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 3: don't like this by kind of that kind of stuff.

822
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 3: Which is which is you know, is something in your

823
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 3: toolbox that you guys can use to sort of be

824
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 3: like this doesn't work, but you know any notes? Did

825
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 3: you guys give notes? Did you ever were you able

826
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 3: to give notes like hey, I feel like no, no.

827
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 5: No, so interesting listening to what you were saying, because

828
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 5: I feel like that was kind of our only tool

829
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 5: was to like sort of either take performance or like yeah,

830
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 5: because I never I mean, in some cases I felt comfortable,

831
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 5: but no, like there was creatively, I did not feel

832
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 5: like I had the right to say I think Sean

833
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 5: should be this or I think maybe the scene would

834
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 5: be better that way.

835
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: No, No, you know it.

836
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 5: Was, which I think if as an adult actor, I

837
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 5: would feel that is the point, you.

838
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 2: Know, it's like, oh, this scene's not working for me.

839
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: Here's why.

840
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 5: Let me give you my input, let me give you

841
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 5: my perspective. Back then, I never felt comfortable saying that.

842
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 7: Well, we talked about that, We learned about that on

843
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 7: you know, on mash they would have their table read

844
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 7: and then the producers would open it up to the actors.

845
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you think? What do you what do you?

846
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: How do your would your character do this?

847
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 7: And looking back, as you know, an adult, the idea

848
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 7: of having that kind of freedom as an actor would

849
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 7: be amazing, right.

850
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 2: Because you don't do it now Monday morning Quarterback. But

851
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 2: you also don't offer that to twelve years old.

852
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 5: We're talking now season five, we're eighteen, nineteen years old,

853
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 5: and we've been doing this.

854
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: We're pros now, we should we should have probably felt comfortable,

855
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: you know, but at that point I was like, I'm

856
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 2: in college, I'm I'm gonna happa. Definitely yeah, and it's.

857
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: You should have been invited to do that, you know, like,

858
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 3: and it certainly earned at that point. You know, it

859
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 3: wasn't like you guys, you know so that yeah, so

860
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 3: so we could tell, you know, when something is getting

861
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 3: tanged you don't like it, and it's it's so interesting

862
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 3: because some of the stuff you just don't like. Because

863
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 3: some of the stuff I didn't like, sometimes do it

864
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 3: and sometimes you have a voice to change it. Sometimes

865
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 3: it'll change or not. But you know, and I'm so

866
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 3: low on the totem pole and again just kind of

867
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 3: sitting back and learning, learning what's going on. Okay, this

868
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 3: is what we felt. I felt this too in this

869
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 3: scene and when we're watching this run through in all this,

870
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 3: but I wish you guys had been able to so

871
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 3: I'm sure, I mean as adults, it must be so

872
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 3: weird looking back, like hmm, I should have said I

873
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 3: didn't like that part when I was uncomfortable playing it

874
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 3: and it was on TV or stuff.

875
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, speaking of things people either like or do

876
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: not like. We just finished season five and we saw

877
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: Tapega propose to Corey and decide against Yale. Do you

878
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: remember any of the conversations around that. Were you a

879
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: fan of the decision? What did you think about the

880
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: proposal storyline?

881
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 3: I mean it's tough because now I mean this is

882
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 3: like these are kids, these are you know, these things.

883
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 3: It was always it was hard, But you have to

884
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 3: get yourself into the world of the show. I'll say that.

885
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've talked about that doing this podcast. But there

886
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 1: are just certain things about the world of the show

887
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: you have to buy into to enjoy the show.

888
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you have to be in this. You have to

889
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 3: be in this story, which is ultimately this you know,

890
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: love story. You know, these two destined to.

891
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 2: Be together, faded together.

892
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 3: Yes, they have to be together. I mean, I was

893
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 3: auto another episode of mine. It was something where everyone's

894
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 3: so invested, you know, them being together. It's just such

895
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 3: a it was such the you know, it was the

896
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 3: thing that moved the show everywhere. It was that was it,

897
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 3: that was the engine. Once you know, that started to

898
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 3: be something and they were in love and they were

899
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 3: a couple of them okay, and it there was so

900
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 3: there really wasn't a way to choose anything else.

901
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: There really was.

902
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 3: It was never going to be anything else. It was

903
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 3: always going to be the two of them together. They

904
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 3: were never going to do that. And so they're kind

905
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 3: of false stakes because the audience in many ways knows

906
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 3: she's not going to choose that, choose that too. Yeah,

907
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 3: but it it was you know, I wouldn't recommend that

908
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 3: to my daughters. No, we've talked about that and and

909
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 3: then either you know, like I would never have thought

910
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 3: that's It's very I was coming from the Midwest where

911
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: most people did that, and I was I chose not to.

912
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: So that was my opinion, you know, Yeah.

913
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: I mean, we to be honest, we had been. We've

914
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: been a little surprised about the way Topanga was written

915
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: this season, especially because, as I mentioned, going into season five,

916
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: there hadn't been a ton of women writers, and now

917
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: in season five there were, and yet Topanga was was

918
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: kind of written as a bit of a one dimensional

919
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: kind of I mean, in my opinion, I'm very bored

920
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: by her in season five. I'm like, even the storyline

921
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 1: of the Yale situation, it's like the way the Yale's

922
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: even brought up, the way she talks about it, we

923
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 1: don't even know why she's interested in Yale. She mentions

924
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: it the only reason she even thought about it is

925
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: because her and her and Corey were broken up. And

926
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: then she has this this wonder I'm waiting for a

927
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: moment where she has a scene with mister Feenie and

928
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: then he doesn't really give her any He just like says,

929
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: if there was any good reason not to go to Yale,

930
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 1: then otherwise you should go. And I don't know, it's interesting.

931
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: I was wondering if there was any sort of conversation

932
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: around the way Topanga was represented or written for what

933
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: was there any sort of dialogue about that other than

934
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: in relation to what Corey is destined to have for

935
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: his life.

936
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 3: Right, I would say yes, but not, uh, not a

937
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 3: lot and it and it wasn't you know, like this.

938
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 3: We can get back to the sort of the mail

939
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 3: room and Michael and the way it was and it

940
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 3: was really his voice, his everything and the folk. I

941
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 3: don't know how he would reflect now back, but I

942
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 3: don't think at the time there he thought it wasn't

943
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 3: a full, like fleshed out character like it kind of

944
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 3: It's it is silly because it should have been exactly

945
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:29,959
Speaker 3: all these things we're saying, like what and it would

946
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 3: be now. I can't imagine it wouldn't be like that now, But.

947
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, you know, I was thinking back to

948
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 5: season four where you have the Topanga care cutting episode,

949
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 5: you have Topanga moving away to Pittsburgh and her making

950
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 5: the decision to come back. She was more of an

951
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 5: active sort of side of that equation. And for whatever reason,

952
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 5: the fifth season was so much more focused on Corey,

953
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 5: you know, Laura and Corey making you know, and and

954
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 5: it just it feels like, but you know, I don't

955
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 5: remember him.

956
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 3: I don't remember the conversation. But you're right, because it's

957
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 3: anything even in those little scenes that you can talk about

958
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 3: with mister Feenie, like that could have been something that

959
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 3: at least, you know, gave her more character, you know,

960
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 3: true to like a character and world around in character.

961
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 3: I don't remember that. I do know that. I'm trying

962
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 3: to think. I was in there. Two other women were

963
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 3: in there. We were all staff writers, so we're all young,

964
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 3: h uh huh. Yeah, and Patty.

965
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 2: Carr Patty Carr, yeah.

966
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 3: And then another woman was a little bit uh.

967
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 1: And Susan Jansen was there, right, she wasn't no, she had.

968
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: Left, she was gone. And then Erica Montalvo didn't come.

969
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 3: She came also a staff writer, you know, and we

970
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 3: were all independent women. Oh yeah, and uh Ellen Eilson

971
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 3: was there, that's right. Yeah, and uh and and then

972
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 3: another woman. I'm swim blanking her name. This is terrible.

973
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 3: So we we were all junior, yeah, and those guys

974
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 3: were just kind of the old right, like the old

975
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 3: card like they were just there there. So it wasn't

976
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 3: I'm sure we brought it up. I mean we had to.

977
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 3: There was four of us that probably looking at each

978
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 3: other like right, really.

979
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: I mean, and I to be fair, the show is

980
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: called boy Meets World. It is a it is boy POV.

981
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that the show needed change to be about,

982
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: but you know, it seems as though we've been really

983
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised on how many different boy povs there are.

984
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: We thought, oh, going into this, every episode's going to

985
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: be a Cory episode, and there's a few that are

986
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: given to Sean and a few that are given to Eric,

987
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 1: and then we've been like, oh my gosh, almost exclusively

988
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: seasons would revolve entirely around Seawan's family, and then there's

989
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: lots of great Eric storylines, and then the Tapanga storylines,

990
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: especially in season five, just seemed to really revolve around

991
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: a decision to Panga may or may not make, and

992
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: how that decision is ultimately going to affect Cory and

993
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: what Cory wants and so yeah, I kind of just

994
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: wondered if there was any if you remember any of

995
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: those discussions. But everything you're saying makes sense.

996
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you I feel like at the time this

997
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 3: or now this?

998
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: I don't remember feeling it at the time. I remember

999
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: I remember at the time thinking that it was I

1000
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: didn't really think of Tapanga outside of being Corey's girlfriend,

1001
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: and I didn't necessarily have a problem with it, I

1002
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: think because the memories of Tapanga being such a wonderful, quirky,

1003
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: unique character in the first season were still so fresh

1004
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: in my mind, and like writer had mentioned where he

1005
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I'm going to college and whatever. I also,

1006
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: at this point felt pretty comfortable in my job. I

1007
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: still enjoyed my job, but I was so focused on,

1008
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: like my personal life outside of the show that I

1009
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: don't think I gave a ton of thought to being like,

1010
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: what is going on for this thing I'm doing, this

1011
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: work that I'm doing. It was just the job I

1012
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: went to and I was happy to have the job.

1013
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: But boy, I couldn't wait to get back to the

1014
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: high school football games and my high school boyfriend and

1015
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: all of that stuff.

1016
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1017
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you end up saying on the show through

1018
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: ceas and seven, what would you say you if you

1019
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: had like, I mean, you mentioned the basics that you

1020
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: really learned the basics on Boy Meets World, But after

1021
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: three full seasons there, what would you say you really

1022
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: learned as a writer on Boy Meets World?

1023
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 3: Well, I would say I learned that it's a lot

1024
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 3: of work, and I learned that h that I really

1025
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 3: loved it, Like I loved the job. Like you know,

1026
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 3: you're like, do I want to do this? And I

1027
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 3: loved it. I loved it. I and I after I

1028
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 3: was done, you know, that was like the So the

1029
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 3: contracts for writers are three seasons long. This happened to

1030
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 3: be the last three seasons of the show. So there

1031
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 3: was no option, like in my company to know what

1032
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 3: was going on. And it was right when you know,

1033
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 3: it was a lot of single cams were starting. That

1034
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 3: was when the single cams were coming out, and it

1035
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 3: was that was the cool thing to be on. So

1036
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 3: I was a young writer who was going to go

1037
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 3: get my next credit, and it was like you it

1038
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 3: was seen as like kind of not a hot I

1039
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 3: guess a hot credit to come off even the good

1040
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 3: part was that it was just such a long, consistent

1041
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 3: job that you know, I can stay at and it

1042
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 3: was whatever. But it wasn't seen as like, oh, who's

1043
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 3: as hot you're coming off this, So there was that

1044
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 3: conversation with agents like, well, how do you know we're

1045
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 3: making you like more like an edgy or whatever. But

1046
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 3: I would never trade it. I would never trade something

1047
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 3: in the like the tone of this show as my

1048
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 3: first job for anything, because I guess I'm going back

1049
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 3: to the same thing it was. You know, I learned

1050
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 3: about character. I didn't know anything and other than being

1051
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 3: a TV fan, and I learned, you know, not to

1052
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 3: be offended when everything that you wrote changes. Yes, like

1053
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 3: skin I guess came some of that, and also just

1054
00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 3: to be like it's different now a little bit. But

1055
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 3: the hours are terrible. You work a lot, you're you're

1056
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 3: you're kind of a victim of the showrunner's process, and

1057
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 3: it was it was a wild process at different times,

1058
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 3: and there were a lot of hours times when you

1059
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 3: would just be like, what are we doing? You're just

1060
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 3: everyone's just messing around, not accomplishing everything.

1061
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 2: That was throwing tiktoks at each other.

1062
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 5: What's that throwing throwing tik taks at each other. I

1063
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 5: just remember Michael and who was a man. Now they

1064
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 5: would just always be throwing tictack.

1065
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 3: Now they usually be picked.

1066
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mark Blutman and Michael Jacobs throwing tic TACs at Manela.

1067
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 5: Did you did you ever even have to write another

1068
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 5: spec then or did you just go right.

1069
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 3: To I did because they wanted me to write something

1070
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 3: a camera. Oh I did. I read something anti and

1071
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 3: to compliment this, but I think I wouldn't have. It

1072
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 3: made me be able to go to these other edge

1073
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 3: of your shows where the story is a little bit

1074
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 3: looser or it is kind of like more convoluted, and

1075
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 3: still always know like it again, it was just such

1076
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 3: a good foundation, and it was such a good and

1077
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 3: I learned a lesson also in just like I was

1078
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 3: given a chance, you know, and it's a lesson in that,

1079
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 3: and to support people who you know, who want to

1080
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 3: do this. A lot of people reach out about it,

1081
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 3: and it's just a lesson in just like, you know,

1082
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 3: being kind of giving people a chance, giving them a

1083
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 3: chance to Like, I probably wasn't great at the beginning.

1084
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 3: I'm sure I wasn't, and they stuck with me. All that.

1085
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 3: I mean those and just to be I would say,

1086
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 3: also just to be happy to be there. Yeah, you

1087
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 3: can get pretty bad and pretty grueling on any show.

1088
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 3: I'm not talking specifically when means world, and you are

1089
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 3: happy to be there and tolerant of as crazy as

1090
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 3: it gets. And that's it because it's it's hard to do.

1091
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, So what do you I'm just curious, what do

1092
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 7: you think the recipe is for a show that lasts

1093
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 7: the test of time, it sustains Because you've seen so

1094
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 7: many different versions of shows. You've seen single camera, you've

1095
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 7: seen multi camera. What do you think it takes to

1096
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 7: have a show that people are still talking about thirty

1097
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 7: years later?

1098
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 3: Character mhmm. Character story is born from character things that

1099
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 3: are real emotions that you're tapping into something real, something relatable,

1100
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 3: making it relatable if anybody can see themselves in a

1101
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 3: character or you know, I'm sure for so many kids

1102
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 3: is a wish fulfillment show. Yeah, look at kids who

1103
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 3: care about each other and those things I think are

1104
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 3: super important. It has to be some you have to

1105
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 3: be able to connect with it on some level, and

1106
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 3: it can be anything. I can see myself in this character.

1107
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 3: This is my this happened to.

1108
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 4: Me or.

1109
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 3: You know this, I really relate to the tone of

1110
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 3: this show. This is a crazy workpl that's my workplace.

1111
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 3: Anything like that. You just have to be able to

1112
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 3: see yourself in something, you know, uh, the connection, and

1113
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 3: then I just really like And the other thing I

1114
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 3: would say is specificity. Specificity of character, I think is

1115
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 3: what makes a show really good, like Seinfeld and some

1116
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 3: of that, which was so different at the time, which

1117
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 3: I another one of my huge obviously, that's one of

1118
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 3: my absolute phaves, you know, and it's so different, but

1119
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 3: those characters are so specific and so funny, and I

1120
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 3: love hard funny.

1121
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 1: So with your career, I like to think that maybe

1122
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: we were the Staten Island stop on your long ride

1123
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: to Times Square. You'd stop at Evan Stevens and Jason

1124
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: Alexander Seinfeld, follow up Bob Patterson, and then you would

1125
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: find yourself on a little show called Arrested Development, where

1126
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 1: you wrote even episodes and one an emmy.

1127
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 2: So I know, are they filled with chocolate? Are they

1128
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 2: filled with chocolate in your life? Because they look like chocolate.

1129
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 3: It's over there.

1130
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: Do you want to get it? Do you want to

1131
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: get it?

1132
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 7: Go?

1133
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 3: Get it? I start over there, you can tell me

1134
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 3: it's there.

1135
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 2: It's right there. I'm looking at it, right.

1136
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: You had to look at it to make sure it

1137
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: wasn't filled with chocolate.

1138
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,439
Speaker 3: It's by the window, and I would know it would

1139
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 3: be it'd be melted.

1140
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: Okay, good point.

1141
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 2: I'm a little disappointed. I'm a little disappointed.

1142
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1143
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 3: So yeah, that was Yeah.

1144
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: Did you know that show was special from day one?

1145
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1146
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, because back in the day, when you were

1147
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 3: getting a job, you would be able to view the

1148
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 3: pilot and so I was like, what.

1149
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 2: What is this?

1150
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 3: What is it?

1151
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 2: What is this?

1152
00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 3: And it was just so different and so laugh out

1153
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 3: all the funny and just you know, and I've been

1154
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 3: coming off of like those shows that you mentioned were

1155
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 3: largely you know, they did funny things, and they were

1156
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 3: great and I love them all, and they were you know,

1157
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 3: but they were network shows. This show, if you were

1158
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 3: thinking of it now, would not be considered a network show.

1159
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 3: A rest right, And you know, I remember pitching stuff

1160
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 3: even like The Boyman's World Room. I wish I could

1161
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 3: remember what it was, but I remember something and it

1162
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 3: was like that was too weird or something like tangential

1163
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 3: or too weird and this room, the rest of room.

1164
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 3: Every tangent was indulged. There was nothing too weird. There

1165
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 3: was nothing, and so you really felt a freedom of

1166
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 3: creativity there where you and there was always a character.

1167
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 3: There's always something where these things would fit in. Or

1168
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 3: you could build it. I mean you could build things

1169
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 3: around the craziest stuff. I mean, if you guys have

1170
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 3: seen it, it's like I was only there for the

1171
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 3: first two seasons because it was really crazy. It was

1172
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 3: a lot. That was a lot of hours. I had

1173
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 3: just gotten married, I want to have kids, and I

1174
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 3: was We're there like seven days a week, and I

1175
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 3: was like, I need to switch, I need some time.

1176
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite episode or a favorite storyline

1177
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: you wrote?

1178
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, oh no, no, it's hard. It's a

1179
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 3: big jumble. Everybody did everything my episode. My episode I love,

1180
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 3: I mean, everyone loves Never Nude. I love the cutoff, Tobuias,

1181
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 3: I love all those characters were so fun to write for.

1182
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 3: That was what was so good. I don't I mean

1183
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 3: specific stuff. I liked it when it was to Buas

1184
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 3: in one of my episodes, I think he took a

1185
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 3: photo of himself in the tub and it was the

1186
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 3: the they thought it was this, what was it something

1187
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 3: that Sadam was saying, like in Iraq or something like that.

1188
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 3: They thought something like that, some weird thing about a phototape.

1189
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 3: I thought that was really funny. That was funny to do.

1190
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 3: All of it was funny him. It was. It was

1191
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 3: all so funny and so crazy that I can't even

1192
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 3: bring myself to watch the third season or any of

1193
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 3: the Netflix seasons because I'm like, I don't want to

1194
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 3: see what I missed out on. I don't want I

1195
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 3: really love that show. It was really hard, really really

1196
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 3: fun creatively for sure.

1197
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, is there one you preferred? Do you prefer multicam

1198
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 2: or single cam?

1199
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 3: I think I would. I vastly back and forth, so

1200
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 3: I would be multiicam multicamp. And remember everything I grew

1201
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 3: up on was multicam, so I always have except for

1202
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 3: you know, like the Seinfeld, but I always have that

1203
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 3: love for multicam. But there was like the period of

1204
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 3: time creatively where you know, everything was going single camp,

1205
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 3: so it was like I like that. I like that.

1206
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 3: I like that, But I still love the multicam because

1207
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 3: there's I like the there's something about having it like

1208
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 3: on a proscenium you know, you're just sitting there watching

1209
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 3: this thing unfold the live audience like that stuff is fun.

1210
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 3: The hours were generally better, but then the single cams

1211
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 3: I love because you can do more things, go more places,

1212
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 3: get out more. I worked at How I Met Your Mother,

1213
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 3: which was a hybrid, and that's kind of ye, that's

1214
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 3: kind of a nice combo where I feel like, well,

1215
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 3: we want to go out and shoot this thing outside. Great,

1216
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 3: But also you had these standing sets that you knew. Yeah, yes,

1217
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 3: for How I Met Your Mother.

1218
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: You were there for the last two seasons, and it's

1219
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: never easy landing a perfectly flown plane. What was crafting

1220
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 1: the finale? Like, did you feel a lot of pressure?

1221
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 3: Well, what was interesting was that season, that ninth season,

1222
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 3: it was potentially ending after season eight, and so it

1223
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 3: kind of this ninth season was born from not ending

1224
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 3: in season eight. So that's when you got we were

1225
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 3: actually meeting the mother, right, Because I originally it was

1226
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 3: not supposed to be that. The guys who wrote it,

1227
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 3: Bays and Times were great. The had the idea for

1228
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 3: the end at the very beginning, so they had already

1229
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 3: shot at the very beginning. They had shot the kids young,

1230
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 3: you know, saying the ending. They had it all, it

1231
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 3: was all in their brain. They eventually got to that place,

1232
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 3: but it was with this little stop in between of

1233
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 3: twenty two for whatever episode, Oh right, now we have

1234
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 3: like the Mother, So it was kind of like a

1235
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,439
Speaker 3: and I think they were almost going to do maybe

1236
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 3: they were going to do a season ten almost it was.

1237
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 3: It was unclear at that time, so it was really

1238
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,919
Speaker 3: born from having on this bonus episode at the end,

1239
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 3: but we all knew that it was going to end

1240
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 3: the way they wanted it, and it was really interesting

1241
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 3: in that time seeing that finale, we kind of all

1242
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 3: just sat back and been like, they kind of are

1243
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 3: doing their thing, because I think it was like sort

1244
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 3: of a whole emotional thing for these guys too. I

1245
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 3: mean it was their whole courseties.

1246
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. Well your IMDb reads like a murderer's

1247
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: row of sitcoms. You have never stopped working. My name

1248
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: is Earl, How I met your mother, Life in Pieces

1249
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: or any other act as talented as we were. Thank you.

1250
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: I did just want to just want to get that out.

1251
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 2: She's not glancing over to the arrested development em nobody.

1252
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:13,919
Speaker 3: No, not at all.

1253
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 2: No, I never went on to do anything else.

1254
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 7: How I met your mother cast didn't go on to

1255
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 7: do anything else, just us, Jason.

1256
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 2: It's pronounced bodymen. Everybody knows that. So yeah, come.

1257
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:29,479
Speaker 3: On, you guys, really and I mean it. And even

1258
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 3: watching those episodes like these guys were not oh you

1259
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 3: were seasoned by that point, but you and it was.

1260
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 3: It was amazing and it's amazing you got you know,

1261
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 3: through all of that and are what you are.

1262
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 2: It really was.

1263
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 3: I really took me watching these episodes again now to

1264
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 3: appreciate that that you guys were doing high level stuff,

1265
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 3: hard turns, emotional stuff that was hard to play, not

1266
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 3: necessarily always always you know, set up one hundred percent

1267
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 3: real stretching, and you guys made it all believable somehow,

1268
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 3: a little a little sweet music and we had an episode.

1269
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: We got Did your stories about working on Boy Meets

1270
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: World ever come up in these other incredible writer's.

1271
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 3: Rooms you were a part of, First Jobs come up? Yeah,

1272
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 3: a lot of my assistants, the assistant stuff comes up.

1273
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 3: But yeah, definitely, And and I do always, you know,

1274
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 3: because we have the young writers coming in, and I

1275
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 3: always do think about my experience compared to what theirs

1276
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 3: is my experience getting there to compare to what theirs

1277
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 3: is and it's it's so I again, like I said,

1278
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 3: I would never probably have gotten the chance like been

1279
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 3: you know, like had this career and like yeah, unless

1280
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 3: I was given the chance to sort of really really

1281
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 3: learn and you learn by doing. And it was it

1282
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 3: was great. It was I really have just such positive

1283
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 3: even with the negative stuff. And there was stuff with

1284
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 3: you know, the hours and different things I had to

1285
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 3: do or whatever whatever time, so much waste of time.

1286
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 3: I'm like a super efficient person even with all that stuff.

1287
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 3: It really was a perfect experience for me because it

1288
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 3: taught me everything really well.

1289
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: Before we let you go, I want to talk to

1290
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 1: you about twenty twenty four because you continue to be

1291
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: a premier name when it comes to staffing writers and

1292
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: you just worked on the massive Netflix hit Nobody Wants This,

1293
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 1: which was one of the few high points in TV

1294
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: this year. What was it that drew you to that project?

1295
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 3: So that project, I was not there at the beginning

1296
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 3: they were shooting, So that was a pro that was

1297
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 3: started before the strike, even shooting before right and then

1298
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 3: it had a big break and then came back and

1299
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 3: so they had done the first few it was going well,

1300
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 3: and I think there were some issues with Netflix and

1301
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 3: the stories and things kind of blew up a little

1302
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 3: bit as it was portrayed to me. And then I

1303
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 3: joined on episode. I was there for the last half,

1304
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 3: the last five episodes. That was the first season it had, yes,

1305
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 3: and they just wanted some more write support, I know.

1306
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:02,439
Speaker 3: I think what happened too is that they had lost

1307
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 3: some writers and they were some turnaround. Anyways, that's so

1308
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 3: I joined it, and it was really about I had

1309
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 3: read the script a long time before, because they would

1310
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 3: look hed look for a showrunner, like I honestly think

1311
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 3: it was maybe at least a year plus that before

1312
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 3: that even or maybe I don't know, a long time.

1313
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 3: And I loved the script already, so I already knew it.

1314
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 3: I'd you know, met some of the people in charge

1315
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:30,439
Speaker 3: of that. I already already loved it. And I loved

1316
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 3: that it was a rom com. I mean, it was

1317
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 3: so it seems so roundbreaking up. It was a real

1318
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,479
Speaker 3: wrong com on TV. But that used that was such

1319
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 3: a people forget the rom com a genre is that's

1320
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,439
Speaker 3: like so pure wrong com. And I liked I could

1321
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 3: you know, relate to it? Uh and you know, obviously

1322
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 3: it was already stacked with like a great cast, and

1323
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 3: then when I got there, it was incredibly, incredibly fun.

1324
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 3: Now that was an all female room except for one person.

1325
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 3: When I got there, it had gone through different iterations.

1326
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 3: People had come and go, there were men and more

1327
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 3: men previously, you know, things had shifted around, people had

1328
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 3: left or other jobs because they had gone on for

1329
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 3: so long, and that was all women and that was great.

1330
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 3: That was so cool for me.

1331
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

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Speaker 7: So another typical Hollywood female writers room. If I have

1333
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 7: to hear that story one more time about that, the

1334
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 7: stereotypical all women's writers room, come.

1335
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Speaker 3: On exactly, that's right, right, writing like questionably degrading things.

1336
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 2: About men, and like right, you got.

1337
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 3: But it was col it was efficient, it was supportive,

1338
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 3: it great.

1339
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: Were you surprised at all by the mainstream response to

1340
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: like a romantic story about a rabbi.

1341
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 3: Yes, but also no, because it was almost the answer

1342
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 3: to the hot priest from.

1343
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: Uh right, yeah, flee back.

1344
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 3: But it was That's what people are saying is that

1345
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 3: it's the answer to that. But I was surprised at

1346
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 3: the Oh my god, because it's very rare that you're

1347
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 3: writing on a show that everybody's seen. Yeah, everybody that show,

1348
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 3: and it's very very rare. When they showed the first

1349
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 3: episode to us when I had finally gotten finished, you know,

1350
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 3: right almost when we were done, we watched it and

1351
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 3: we were giving thoughts on that kissing scene, that the

1352
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 3: one where they am playing it famous because I feel

1353
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 3: like people are talking about it. They finally kissed, and

1354
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, people are gonna love this. It

1355
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 3: was so good. Their chemistry was so good. And that

1356
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 3: speaks to again, something you guys also had on your show,

1357
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,719
Speaker 3: Like there was so much chemistry cast chemistry that obviously

1358
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 3: was sexual chemistry, but like just chemistry, Like I believe this.

1359
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 3: It's really saying I believe this. I' me in the

1360
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 3: moment with these these characters and I believe what they're

1361
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 3: doing is real and that I saw that, and I'm like, oh, yeah,

1362
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 3: people are gonna like this.

1363
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 7: Do you think I have I have one more question

1364
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:03,759
Speaker 7: I've asked the people in the know in the industry

1365
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 7: because of just my love. Do you think sitcom and

1366
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 7: multiicam is going to make a comeback at any point?

1367
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 3: A comeback you mean be dominant?

1368
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it used to be.

1369
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 3: I think it is coming back. There are things. There's

1370
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 3: a few now, and I do think that it is

1371
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 3: going to It's it's cheaper, so I feel like that

1372
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 3: will help, and I feel like what's interesting about it,

1373
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,640
Speaker 3: I find is that when people who are coming up

1374
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 3: don't know how to do it, it's a different skill

1375
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 3: set than a single cam writer. As a writer, it's not.

1376
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:51,640
Speaker 3: It's just a different genre almost, And so you know,

1377
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 3: and not only as a writer to write the script,

1378
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 3: but also like the run through is that's all you know? Yeah,

1379
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 3: you do like little obviously in the single cam you know,

1380
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 3: you're watching it rehearse, but a run through the show

1381
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 3: night where you're on the you know, in the moment,

1382
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 3: coming up with jokes, jokes, jokes, that's not as prevalent

1383
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 3: of a writer's skill set. Right now, many more writers

1384
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 3: are doing the sort of the edgy or I would

1385
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 3: call it stuff. I think that it will always survive

1386
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 3: because I think it's cheaper and I think I think

1387
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 3: it appeals. I think it's appealing in so many ways

1388
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 3: to so many audiences. And if when it comes to

1389
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 3: network TV, I mean, you know, I feel like they'll

1390
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 3: keep doing it too. I really do do you guys

1391
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 3: think so?

1392
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: I think I think so.

1393
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 5: I think I think if it's framed correctly, you know,

1394
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,600
Speaker 5: I think it's sort of like when you ask you

1395
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 5: think like you could have been asking this question about

1396
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 5: you know, radio radio plays and you can say like,

1397
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 5: well they died and as a form, but then you're like,

1398
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 5: but podcasts right like they So it comes back but

1399
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 5: in a new sort of framed way. And I think

1400
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 5: there will always be a place for multicam.

1401
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 2: It's just too you know. And like when you mentioned Cheers,

1402
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 2: I was like, right, that was that's still like one

1403
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 2: of the.

1404
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 5: Perfect ones, brilliant because it made sense of the proscenium right, like,

1405
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 5: it made sense of the actual place itself as to

1406
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 5: why this this this should only be a multicamer show.

1407
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 5: You couldn't do it as a non multigam, you know.

1408
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

1409
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 5: I think there's always going to be a way to

1410
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 5: find a way in that that makes it make sense.

1411
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too. And I think, you know,

1412
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 3: cracking that, like there has to be a way to

1413
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:27,759
Speaker 3: sort of modernize that in a way that people feel

1414
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 3: like they're and they do do some of that stuff,

1415
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 3: I feel like, and the acting I don't think is

1416
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 3: as much like as it. You know, I feel like

1417
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 3: you can do more subtle acting than something. If you

1418
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 3: watch a lot of old shows, there's not yes, it

1419
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 3: just feels false. So I think they need to feel real.

1420
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 3: I think there has to be a way too, because

1421
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 3: some you know, when you're thinking of ideas too, and

1422
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 3: as a writer and store in your different series ideas

1423
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 3: or whatever, some of them you're like they used you

1424
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 3: used to have to when you were writing a script

1425
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 3: or pitching something and you wanted to pitch it as

1426
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 3: a single cam right when these single cams came out,

1427
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 3: you know, and it was really popular. So of course

1428
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:09,640
Speaker 3: you're pitching signal cams single cam, but you'd have to

1429
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 3: think of a reason why it warrants a single cam.

1430
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 3: Why does this be single Like, Okay, they're jumping time,

1431
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 3: they're doing this, they're doing crazy, ever it is, I

1432
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 3: get that. But if it's just takes place at an office,

1433
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 3: well that can also be a multicam, Like what is it?

1434
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:26,600
Speaker 3: Is it the tone that makes you know? What is

1435
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 3: it that? And if it's the tone that makes it, say,

1436
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:30,640
Speaker 3: is there a way to update the tone of a

1437
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 3: multi camp? But does it feel like that. You know

1438
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 3: that's the challenge.

1439
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 7: Well, how I met your mother kind of did that

1440
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 7: with like you're saying with the hybrid might be the

1441
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 7: kind of the new the new wave.

1442
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 3: And if you look at something like like Friends is

1443
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 3: more popular than ever, I mean as popular, I would say,

1444
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 3: but continues popular with new audiences. And so there is

1445
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 3: something that still works. And I would say when that shoe,

1446
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 3: you know, that's the chemistry they did kind of some

1447
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 3: weird stories. They let the character bizarre things as opposed

1448
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 3: to sort of being like very straight family or whatever.

1449
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 3: It was the typical one. So I do think it

1450
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 3: can come back.

1451
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 1: Final question for you now, looking back nearly thirty years

1452
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 1: later on The Boy Meets World, your first job, in

1453
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:18,759
Speaker 1: your prolific credits, what would Barbie Adler tell Barbie Feldman?

1454
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 3: Now, Oh wow, I would say prepare for ups and downs,

1455
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 3: and that there always will be en up and to

1456
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 3: not always be true to what you think if the

1457
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 3: prevailing opinion goes another way, or if someone doesn't like

1458
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:45,720
Speaker 3: your idea, because people can be pretty blunt or you know,

1459
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 3: just dismissive or whatever. That that's an opinion that I

1460
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 3: learned later, which I would tell my young self. There's

1461
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,639
Speaker 3: a million ways to go in these stories. Every story

1462
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 3: is kind have been told before. There's a million ways

1463
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 3: to go. Just because you pitched something that isn't liked

1464
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 3: or used, don't be afraid to pitch it. And who

1465
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 3: cares if they don't use it. It doesn't mean it's

1466
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 3: not good. It just means it didn't go. So it's

1467
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 3: really I guess it would be confidence based. Don't let

1468
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 3: because you don't. You're working with different people from different backgrounds,

1469
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 3: and you change your job so often. You have to

1470
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 3: get used to those dynamics. So have faith in what

1471
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 3: you know is good and funny.

1472
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,680
Speaker 1: I love that. Thank you so much for spending your

1473
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 1: very precious time with us. It's been so nice reconnecting

1474
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:35,640
Speaker 1: with you.

1475
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:37,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys are great. I appreciate you having me

1476
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 3: on here. It's really been sow much fun.

1477
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: Thank you, wonderful reconnecting with you. Thank you so much, Barbie,

1478
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 1: it was great to see you.

1479
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:44,679
Speaker 3: Bye you guys, Bye Barbie.

1480
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 1: She's so great man, so cool.

1481
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 7: Oh wow, I remember see I knew that she was

1482
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 7: there before she was a writer, souse. I remember seeing

1483
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 7: her because you're right, we weren't all that different in age.

1484
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 7: I know she's likes to say she's a lot older

1485
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 7: than me, but she's not. I think we're not all

1486
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 7: that different in age. And yeah, she would always be

1487
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:05,560
Speaker 7: with Carlos and they'd always be on the said and

1488
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 7: and it was rare for me to have people around

1489
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 7: my age at that time. So always always loved Barbie

1490
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 7: and Carlos to too great.

1491
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 1: I know we still we have to interview Carlos, I

1492
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 1: don't we.

1493
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 2: Have what we do?

1494
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 7: We do?

1495
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,759
Speaker 2: We got to bring he wrote an episode in seasons Okay.

1496
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 1: Great, so maybe we can do it. We can bring him.

1497
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 2: We also keep saying Mitch Bank, we gotta bring Mitch

1498
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:25,839
Speaker 2: on as well. That's another one.

1499
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 7: That's a big one as well, because he'll be able

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01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:33,759
Speaker 7: to maybe verify the audience. Prisoners, Yeah, and Janna, Jana,

1501
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:35,639
Speaker 7: Janna who booked the prisoners.

1502
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? Or he's going to be like, yeah,

1503
01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 2: there was a couple of times we had you just you.

1504
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 2: But even if the prisoners were coming in, they were

1505
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 2: coming in on Wednesday, not for tape.

1506
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 7: Really, we're going to get into a sumantic debate about

1507
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 7: what day the prisoners were there.

1508
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 2: Well, because then Mitch wouldn't have been doing the warm up.

1509
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 2: He would only do the war did.

1510
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 7: He not do?

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Speaker 5: Did we have any warm up to Wednesday? Tom Right Wednesday?

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Speaker 5: I remember, yes, Yes, we started taking over the Wednesday

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Speaker 5: warr and.

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Speaker 2: Then when did Wednesday go away? Do we only do

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Speaker 2: that first thing?

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't even remember doing it.

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Speaker 5: They brought it in third or fourth season and then

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Speaker 5: kept doing it, but we would only do it every

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Speaker 5: We wouldn't do it every week because anytime there was

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Speaker 5: too complicated of a swing set or a scene that,

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Speaker 5: you know, we wouldn't have a Wednesday audience.

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Speaker 2: We would just pretape Wednesday. But we had a Wednesday

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Speaker 2: audience like season six and seven. As far as I

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Speaker 2: remember it, really, I don't remember that at all.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: It was a small audience. It wasn't the full crowd.

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Speaker 2: It was mostly school children. I remembered it early, but

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Speaker 2: then I didn't remember it later. Wowkme weird?

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