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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.

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Speaker 3: Our colleague Noel is on adventures, but will be returning shortly.

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Speaker 2: They call me Ben.

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Speaker 1: We're joined as always with our super producer Dylan the

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Speaker 1: Tennessee pal Facin, as well as our guest superproducer Ramsey

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Speaker 1: Ram jams Yunt. Ramsey's in the house. Now, look, folks,

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Speaker 1: we have something extraordinary for you this evening. It's a

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Speaker 1: thank you for everyone who waited for us to return

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Speaker 1: from the High Seas. True story okay, oh better yet

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Speaker 1: went along with us. So tonight we're having a wide

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Speaker 1: ranging conversation exploring everything from Tuskegee to the Thirteenth Amendment, WikiLeaks,

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Speaker 1: hip hop programming, so much more. Get this, folks, We're

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Speaker 1: not doing it alone. I can't believe this is a

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Speaker 1: true story. Matt. We are joined live and direct in

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Speaker 1: person with the activists, the musician, the legendary MC and

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Speaker 1: creator of the hit new podcast Conversation with Killer Mike Michael.

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Speaker 2: I do here. How you doing?

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Speaker 3: Man's insane that you're sitting right next to us in

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to be here, and you guys know, my god,

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Speaker 2: Man Ramsey gets me. We do Hey, man, I think

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Speaker 2: we should do this. We mob out to do.

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Speaker 3: But we've been sitting back admiring your work for I

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Speaker 3: can't even tell you how many years. Man, thank you

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Speaker 3: and and just everything you do, your solo work, RTJ,

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Speaker 3: your your the work you've done in the sphere especially. Look,

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Speaker 3: we were feeling I don't want to speak for everybody,

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Speaker 2: That's my guy, Jeseuz, my god.

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Speaker 3: So just you know, going back and just watching your

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Speaker 3: work for a long time. Yeah, I was going to

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Speaker 3: take it back to Georgia State really quickly shore mine,

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Speaker 3: of course. Okay, So when my friends and I graduated

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Speaker 3: the film program there at Georgia State, which was, in

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Speaker 3: we loved it. We learned so much. We started a

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Speaker 3: And the first person that we shot on that show

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Speaker 3: is this guy who went by Kujo, and we were like,

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Speaker 3: but at the time, for me, I have no idea

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Speaker 3: I didn't know who he was. You know, I'm a

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Speaker 3: This around we are, we're getting ready for camera, we're

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Speaker 3: because of that though, I learned what Goodie Mob was,

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Speaker 3: and because of that, I learned about everything that happened

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Speaker 3: maybe most positive takeaway is from working in a collective

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Speaker 3: like that when you're starting out when and I call

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Speaker 2: that you're as good as your rival. So you need

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Speaker 1: You've also been kind of creating your own collectives over time.

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Speaker 1: You're a great You're a great connector with people, and

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Speaker 1: for you and this conversation as we conversate, one of

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Speaker 1: your newest projects is of course, conversation Killer Mike. Typically

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Speaker 1: we begin with a little more background about our guests,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, with success. So maybe start by telling us a

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Speaker 2: I met this guy named Ramsey. He aggravated the shit

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Speaker 2: So I grew with Ramsey kind of peeking it on

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Speaker 2: I sit down on the plane. I still do the talks.

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Speaker 1: You know, talking it because she really Charlemagne, the God.

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Speaker 2: The Same gave me the quote I will live with

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Speaker 2: wherever black. If you have a problem in society, you

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Speaker 2: from anybody it's the most villainous ship I've heard. So

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Speaker 2: what the fuck are you gonna do about it? If

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Speaker 2: to work hard, get stronger, develop an alternative, and climb

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Speaker 2: I'm just like, this is dope, Like this is this

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Speaker 2: if the funk you talking about we worried about these ports?

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Speaker 2: What about these ports? These ports directly affect working class

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Speaker 2: I just thought that that was fucking incredible getting a

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Speaker 2: body for six or seven years, similar to the way

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00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 2: they use the Irish as indentured service. Similar to those ways,

434
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,119
Speaker 2: you're the accept. And I said, if you're poor and white, now,

435
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 2: if you're poor and black, you're the accept for the

436
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 2: rest of your fucking life, if we can get you.

437
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 2: I just interviewed a man named ak Bar Pray who

438
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 2: had been a drug distributor in New Jersey. He gets

439
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 2: locked up in nineteen ninety with a lifetime sentence. Now,

440
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 2: other people who have gotten locked up who don't look

441
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,479
Speaker 2: like him don't get lifetime sentences. And I asked him,

442
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 2: you know, what do you think you deserve? Or one?

443
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,680
Speaker 2: When I calls asks he's ho twenty there's a man

444
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,160
Speaker 2: who's responsible enough to say okay. Under the louder the guidelines,

445
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 2: I would have ate twenty years. He was locked up

446
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 2: thirty six years in three months. He was given a

447
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,719
Speaker 2: release date April nineteenth. I believe, well, what April up

448
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, and then right at then they told him, oh,

449
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 2: we made a mistake. Holy sh and I don't know

450
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 2: how to fuck He didn't go kill itself, you know

451
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But here he is now seventy seven

452
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 2: year old man and his only mission for the rest

453
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 2: of his life is to make sure other boys don't

454
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 2: put themselves in a position and women don't put themselves

455
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 2: in a position to be locked up for the rest

456
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 2: of life. So we do have a system of slavery

457
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,199
Speaker 2: in this country. And you know when you have private

458
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 2: prisons thanks to raign that are allowed to proliferate and say, okay,

459
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 2: we're gonna build a private prison in Bubble Funck, Georgia.

460
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 2: Whether they're no jobs, this is gonna guarantee three hundred jobs.

461
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 2: This helps transform it and keep this economy. But we

462
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 2: have to stay eighty four percent in bed capacity. So

463
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 2: how can you guarantee an eighty four percent feel rate

464
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 2: if you don't have a loophole in that make sure

465
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 2: I can feel it, you know. So now petty crimes

466
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 2: become major crimes. Five grams of cocaine crack cocaine, and

467
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 2: he goes five hundred grams five hundred folks. You got

468
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 2: don't know, man, when you start talking about five grams,

469
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 2: isn't even worth two hundred bucks. Five hundred grams as

470
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 2: a half a kilo? Wow? You know? So there is

471
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 2: there is a grand conspiracy to keep slavery alive in

472
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 2: this country because bullshit laws allows this country to lock

473
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 2: up poor and I usually say it hurts us worse

474
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 2: than first black people, but poor people in general are

475
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,400
Speaker 2: allowed to be used as free labor, and we should

476
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,199
Speaker 2: all be concerned with that because it gives reason to

477
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: justify prisons, and especially private prisons. So when you talk

478
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 2: about that prison that our president was clicking his heels

479
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 2: about down in Florida that's surrounded by alligators, the fucked

480
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: up part about it is that prison, no matter what

481
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 2: Fox News says, it's going to house a lot of

482
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 2: poor white folks too. It's not poor white folks in Florida, right.

483
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: And at the same time, I'm seeing a black girl,

484
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,239
Speaker 2: well a young woman on there saying, hey, man, if

485
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 2: you a CEO, will have the credentials to be a COO.

486
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 2: They're starting pay is higher than other places. So sit here.

487
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 2: So now you get a position where facilitily race aside.

488
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 2: Class becomes the issue because as a CEO, that's a

489
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 2: good job. Shit, you in the middle of fucking nowhere, Florida,

490
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: You all of a sudden make fifty sixty seventy grand

491
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 2: a fucking year for watching a bunch of poor people

492
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: no one gives a fuck about, and put alligators around them.

493
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 2: Even it's gonna be hard not to like capitalism. Then

494
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, you won't.

495
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Speaker 1: Have shit going on. Hey, I'm from Ice. That much

496
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: money I'm getting you for signing up?

497
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, for chasing down people who look like you or

498
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 2: just may be of the same you know, economic status

499
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 2: you are. So it's a time in this country. But

500
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: I hope and wish that people in our country start

501
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 2: to understand that not only Thirteenth Amendment classes it's racist.

502
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 2: It gets incentive for us to keep a slave population

503
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: in this country. And we don't do it redemptive. We

504
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 2: don't we unlike we used to. At times, we're not

505
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: sending in people for prison sentences and bringing out better people,

506
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 2: people who've had a chance to have some psychological diagnoses

507
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 2: and find out what's really going on, People who may

508
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 2: have gotten a chance to learn dis from the structure,

509
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 2: don't get out of enough time that they're young enough

510
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 2: to use it to be They don't have trades programs

511
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 2: in school, they don't even have you know, exercise equipment

512
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 2: and federal presents anymore. So it's a very weird thing

513
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 2: that we're using people's labor, and we use prisons for

514
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 2: cheap labor too, And you know, it's just very weird

515
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 2: to me that in this country, this republic that's so

516
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 2: proud of freedom in our propaganda, that we don't push

517
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 2: for freedom on at home, you know, on this clay.

518
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 3: It's a suspicious I would say, yeah, I think it's

519
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,199
Speaker 3: wuked up too, but it's very suspicious that it's just

520
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 3: kind of there's a there's a pretending, a collective pretending

521
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 3: that we all do like it's not there somehow.

522
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in the South. It's especially fucked up because

523
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 2: we're taught to be polite.

524
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

525
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're taught to be polite. You know, there's some

526
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: things you just don't talk about until the rich Auntes

527
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,719
Speaker 2: fucking son go to jail. Then everybody's talking about it,

528
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 2: you know.

529
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 3: Okay, So I don't know if this is related at all,

530
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 3: but I think it might be at least because of

531
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 3: the history of the place. On the west side of

532
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: two eighty five, on the banks of the Chattahoochee River,

533
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 3: there's this huge abandoned lot that was once the Chattahoochie

534
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 3: Break Company.

535
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 2: My grandfather worked for them.

536
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 3: What does yeah, what does it represent for you? And

537
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 3: because I think at least back in the day they

538
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 3: used to least labor.

539
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 2: My grandfather was on the Changang for a while. He

540
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: had told me about it that he had told me

541
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 2: in Matterson. When they say slavery, stop and my grandfather's

542
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 2: pirst person says, huh shit, they must not know about

543
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: shell cropping and chin Gangsin.

544
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I fucking chang gang.

545
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 2: There were when you wi these Georgia State roads, when

546
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: you bought from the Chatahooche Break Company other companies, that

547
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 2: was that was forced labor, that the state was leasing

548
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 2: men out to their blood, sweat and tears that earned

549
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 2: all this equity for other people, always money for other people,

550
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 2: but nothing was the prison a pre pension plan. And

551
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: even beyond that, when you look at places like Cabbage Town,

552
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 2: there's this huge fucking warehouse using rule Georgians that they

553
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 2: brought up, paying them not in the US treasury bills

554
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: but in meal money, and then and then tripling the

555
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: price of goods they would only buy from the meal store.

556
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: So they don't give a fuck. In case you motherfuckers

557
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: don't know, they don't give a fuck about you niggas

558
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: or crackers, because the same people made both names. There's

559
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 2: a planner class here. What they call that. We hear

560
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: parents grandparents says that means master. It's a nice word

561
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: for master. That means there's I don't give a fuck

562
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 2: how much money I have as a rapper. My last

563
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 2: name is not Cox. If your last name is Cox

564
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 2: and fucking Georgia, you're not getting a ticket, Yeah you're not.

565
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: You might get pulled over and apologize.

566
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: And apologized to and GSP, don't apologize to nobody. You

567
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, George Charlie popping up apologizer. They

568
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 2: pulled me on what time? Said, man, we knew this

569
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 2: is your call. Just call them so cool and let

570
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: me the fuck go. I'm sitting there stone as fuck,

571
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 2: like God, damn just close. Don't ever be to be

572
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: on the cocks, because the cocks of what's got damn

573
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: money probably on the state. Like, we have to realize

574
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: that there is a difference and we have to start

575
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 2: looking past our differences to solve the bigger difference. Yeah,

576
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 2: you know, we have to stop. I'm from Comings, I'm

577
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 2: from Athams' man. I'm sure our mother's had about the

578
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: same amount of power. The question becomes, when do we

579
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: unite that power and just say we can't do this anymore.

580
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: We need to change the thirteenth Monument.

581
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: And how would we how how would that collective action work,

582
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: especially when so many of the means of communication are controlled.

583
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Powerful, but we're gonna have to get back to

584
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: those ten or fifteen people in each other's living rooms

585
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: and then in your church settings, and then you gets churches,

586
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: and I say that this, most people live around people

587
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: who look like them, unless they're searching for a diversity

588
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: or just everybody so broke the gotta looked at you.

589
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: So you know that they are conversations that are going

590
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 2: on in Atlanta, West Atlanta, and conversations going on in commons.

591
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 2: We know those people aren't just going to get together

592
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: unless it's at the model of fucking outlets. They're trying

593
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: to get in and out of there. But let's have

594
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: those conversations. Technology gives us the ability to have those conversations,

595
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: but let's filter through organizations we trust, whether it's a

596
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: local five oh one, C three or church. Then let's

597
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: have these church I remember being young and you'd have

598
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 2: these church meetups, and you know, the Presbyterian churches were

599
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: great about it about reaching out to black churches, and

600
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,719
Speaker 2: then they'd have these fellow meetups, and shit, we need

601
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: to start doing this. So we just have honest dialogue.

602
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: And out of that dialogue you have conversation, you create

603
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 2: an understanding. It does not mean agreement, but you at

604
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: least have understanding. And through that understanding, I believe you

605
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 2: can start saying, well, what are the things that affect

606
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 2: us both now? Right now, the Supreme Court is about

607
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: to make a judgment or hear marijuana and guns. I'm

608
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 2: a big proponent of marijuana and I'm a big proponent

609
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: for guns. You should not give up your Second Amendment rights.

610
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: With that said, the fucking Court should not force you

611
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: to give up your Secondmendment rights because you smoke marijuana.

612
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: Forty percent of all gun involved violence and shooting our

613
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: alcohol involved. There is no goddamn plan on banning tequila

614
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: if you own a three fifty seven mag's just not

615
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: This is fucking Georgia. Most shiving guns go together. That

616
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: I'm never gonna did a fucking commercial with guns. Shouts

617
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: out the gun, shouts out to governor, kill right does

618
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: the gun? And I was like, I felt that commercial

619
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: dad daughters like you, but he's not gonna call the

620
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: band the gun. But in Georgia right now, if you

621
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: go to get a Georgia medical license, then you're gonna

622
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: have to evoke your well, we don't need him anymore

623
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 2: to have to giving up your concealed carry license. I

624
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: don't get I don't think we should make stoners don't

625
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: want to kill anyone Supreme courts. Stoners ain't trying to

626
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: kill anyone SOLDI as trying to shield the fuck out,

627
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: get high, go to sleep. Why you're gonna say what happened?

628
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: So when you think of it, though, if I think

629
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 2: of it, if I'm a tyrant and I want to

630
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: see Benillavant, you know, I do something that ss banilla

631
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: and I keep people laughing on Twitter and ship. But

632
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: what's the good way to d arm half the population

633
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: if half the population smokes marijuana? You revoked the right

634
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: to own a gun by saying because you smoke, Manuaza,

635
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 2: it's your choice.

636
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 3: It doesn't feel like there's a specific demographic.

637
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: Young progressive people were willing to look past writing that's

638
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: nistening and say, these are the things we have in common,

639
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: like the fred Hampton crowd. And so I think we

640
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: as Americans have to get to the point where we

641
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: are fred Hampton like. And I thought that we will

642
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,479
Speaker 2: sit now, speak, create understanding with and organize with others

643
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: who have a common interest, even if they don't look

644
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: like us.

645
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: And that also involves confronting.

646
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: Again.

647
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Speaker 1: I keep going back to the show we were sold

648
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 1: in our textbooks, you know, as products of public school.

649
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: It goes back to the idea of honestly, unflinchingly confronting

650
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: those uncomfortable truths.

651
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 3: Oh guys, time to pay some bills. We're gonna hear

652
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 3: some mads. We'll be right back.

653
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: One thing we talked about briefly before we started rolling

654
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: was I want to go back to your family history. Yeah,

655
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: you know, having roots in Alabama. You mentioned that you

656
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: of a personal relationship with the Tuskegees.

657
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: Yes, my grand my great grandfather, Nah Black man his

658
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: father or grandfather was using the experiment. I don't think

659
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: my family got one hundred bucks in retribution or or

660
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: you know, or money's for I think it. I think

661
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: my cousin talked about it in some book that I

662
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: didn't read. It was like twelve or fifteen bucks. I

663
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: don't think it was at That's what you know. My

664
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: great grandfather, my great grand mother and father. I knew

665
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: my great grandmother died when I was nine years old.

666
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 2: So when I said I kne him, I kne him.

667
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: They sent us down, slept in their house. Fucking pick

668
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: got eggs from under the chickens, We got water from

669
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: the well. Like knew these people. And to know that

670
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: these people were related to someone that was using the

671
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 2: experiment that they ended, I don't think ending until seventy two, seventy,

672
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: you know, so it was forty years easy. But to

673
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: know that, and our farm is only two miles from

674
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 2: the school from Tusky University. To know that I have

675
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: that history, to know that on my father's side we're

676
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: owned by were owned by the laws by Crawford Longs

677
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: family father's side, but yeah, we were owned by them, yep.

678
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: So for you know, my father's fucking fair skinned man

679
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: with curly hair. So somebody was fucking and those weren't

680
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: voluntary fucks. So you know that you're a private the

681
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: rape on that side, This country's been an interesting country,

682
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: and I'm a patriot. I love this Republican what could

683
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: potentially be of it. But with that said, I can

684
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: never ignore the fact when I hear dumb motherfuckers talking

685
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: about how I didn't experience slavery. It was so long ago,

686
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: it was far. My great grandmother's mother was enslaved. She

687
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: taught her mother to read, she taught her children to read.

688
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: I knew that woman until I was nine, held her hands,

689
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: sat on her lap as de mentor robbed of who

690
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: she was, and she went from calling me Michael the

691
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: Feller and slowly withered away in front of my grandmother's

692
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: I knew her, I knew her husband, my great grandfather N. H.

693
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 2: Black Man. The farm they brought with both their names

694
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: on the DS is in my phone. I look at

695
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: it every single day when I pray and think about

696
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: me and my wife and what we're trying to grow.

697
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: So I know my parents were both born in apartheid.

698
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: Born in nineteen fifty five, nineteen fifty nine. They were

699
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: born into a world where they couldn't had their parents

700
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: not being people who are highly respected, they could have

701
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: not walked in front doors at some of the stores

702
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: that I tend today. So it's just like, Man, get

703
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: the fuck out of here. I don't I don't want

704
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: to hear you know, what was so long agoing? Was

705
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: that because these things affect African American steal and.

706
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: It's never really that long ago. I think it's it's

707
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: something that you know, it's something that I think a

708
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: lot of people in the United States for for else,

709
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: a lot of white people honestly prefer not to really

710
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: think about.

711
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the politeness. It it's don't it's the same

712
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,479
Speaker 2: reason you allow children to be abused in your church

713
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: or home. You don't do anything about it because it's

714
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 2: ugly and it's messing and it stinks. But you got

715
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 2: to deal with it.

716
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: Because history is closer than it looks in that.

717
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 3: Man, I want to switch gears for just a second.

718
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 3: What I'm going to read a lyric for you, because

719
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 3: I think it's something that you were and it was

720
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 3: it was a little while ago, and we chose these

721
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 3: carefully by the way it speaks to something that recently

722
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 3: happened in the news, just like a current events thing. Okay,

723
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 3: here he goes, and I'm sitting down doing hard time,

724
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 3: pissing in a metal bowl, eating shit from a lunch line.

725
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 3: In here. Nobody knows you by your name, just another

726
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 3: number living under bitch ass rules of a broken game.

727
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 3: They put me in here to die and left me

728
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 3: angry and alone for the crime of being old. They

729
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 3: threw me in this nursing home.

730
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: What's it? What's all is it?

731
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 3: It's from South Park?

732
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: Oh, and it's.

733
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 3: So good, by the way, season twenty one, gotta check

734
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 3: it out. Do you have any thoughts on what happened

735
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 3: or what is happening with South Park with you know,

736
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: some of the late night hosts, with the First Amendment,

737
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: with what's going on with any of that kind of

738
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 3: control or anything.

739
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: I know that our First Amendment rights are constantly under

740
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: attack from the government. Yeah, that that's what I know,

741
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: that that that they're constantly under attack. And I would

742
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: advise people to start thinking past this hurts my feelings,

743
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: so it should be banned, and start to think who

744
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: am I not allowed to criticize at all?

745
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: That's dangerous, tho, Michael, You.

746
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: Got to say, who can I not talk about? And

747
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: why can I not talk about it? Why is this

748
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 2: president so so vicious in his attack backs and point aus?

749
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: Why can't I criticize him? Why can't I? Why can't

750
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: I criticize some groups and not other groups? Why can't I?

751
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: Why can't I be vocal and honest about any and everything?

752
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: And why do I want others to be silenced and

753
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 2: not me? What I've seen today, the greatest danger is

754
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 2: in if I don't agree with you, I want you silence,

755
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: no matter what side you are. You know what I'm saying.

756
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck what you're saying. I give

757
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 2: a fuck that you have the right to say say it. Yeah,

758
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 2: what you're saying, I don't give a fuck. I got

759
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: some shit I'm gonna say after you say that stupid

760
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: shit you say. So I'm not bothered by a lot

761
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 2: of the people who don't agree with what I'm saying.

762
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 2: I'm not bothered by what they're saying because my thing

763
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: is if Elija Muhammad city years ago, if you take

764
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: a glass of water that's dirty, you put it there.

765
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: You don't offer people in alternative. They're gonna have to

766
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: drink it. They're gonna, well, you need water for substance.

767
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: But if I put a clean water right next to it,

768
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 2: and people are gonna be attractive. And so it's simply

769
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 2: my job to put my version of what I think

770
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 2: the best water is out there and in the public

771
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: or pubicler be pulled to on the side. But I'm

772
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: very worried when people that I see myself an alliance

773
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: agreeance with I, you know, philosophically, start to say I

774
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: want that other side of silence. Yes, that that that

775
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: starts to spook me. Chompsky talks about it. Yeah, to

776
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: watch the old man when he talks about it. He

777
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 2: pissed a lot of people off, for this is the truth.

778
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: He doesn't miss it.

779
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you don't want, he does it. If you

780
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 2: don't want the same rights that you have for your

781
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 2: most bitter than me, and you don't you don't really

782
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: care about those, right.

783
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, we traveled, you know, you've traveled quite a bit.

784
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: And one thing that hits us often is, you know,

785
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: here in the United States, it can be quite expensive

786
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: to ever get out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And so

787
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't have the opportunity to know

788
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: that the First Amendment right is something that is super fragile,

789
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: always under attack. I love the fact that someone as

790
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: dumb as me can wake up, have a bad day,

791
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: talk some shit, and not get black bags into a van.

792
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 2: Come Eric Nelson, my friend, man who wrote lyrics on Trial,

793
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: Wrap on Trial. Read that book, guys, and get more

794
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 2: familiar area. We're going to put some type of cross

795
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: country talk together where he he sees how Facebook posts

796
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: are getting guys, three four, five, six, seven, eight years Facebook.

797
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like the Charlie Kirk stuff.

798
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like that kind of shit. Like

799
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: you know, I'm you know people. I called my daughter

800
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: and I said, hey, you know, people want to be

801
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: coming to your campus to try to incite you to

802
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 2: get a debate. I said, just ignore it, go to class,

803
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 2: have your talk with your friends, do some organizing. I

804
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: don't want you to become political father on someone's page

805
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 2: simply because they want to get you riled up. And

806
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: the best way to effectively show someone that I truly

807
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 2: believe in the First Amendment is to simply say, go

808
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: go here. This is a black campus. You can talk

809
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: all that Charlie kirks you if you want to. We

810
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 2: got classes to go to. Nobody's gonna pay you much attention, Bubba.

811
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: We'll see you at the end of the day when

812
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: no one's engaged you. I don't have a reason to

813
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 2: fucking engage you. I already know I don't agree with you,

814
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 2: but I already know you don't know what the fuck

815
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: you're talking about. You're just saying things to incite people,

816
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: and I give you that. You know the stokely Carmichael

817
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: called me to her said, you know the powers not

818
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: in your ability to call me nigga. Fuck you called

819
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 2: me nigga. The powers in it if you tell me

820
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: when nigga, you can't do it and your power is effective.

821
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: See nin nigga, you can't vote if I keep walking

822
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: to vote, but vote, I don't give a buck with you.

823
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 2: But when you can put state patrol in front of

824
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: that boating room and say nigga, you can't vote, oh,

825
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: then niggas got to heck up. Then we got to

826
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: go to war with you under state patrol because now

827
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: you're denying me my right by use of force. Then

828
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: the word nigga has has someone wait to it because

829
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: you're preventing me through an armor of government. And that's

830
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 2: what people. Don't stop giving your power to government. Be uncomfortable.

831
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 2: Just go ahead and be fucking uncomfortable because I'm in

832
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 2: the UK. I'm stolen as a motherfucker, and I know

833
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: to shut the fuck up because they have hate speech

834
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: laws there, and I'm like, yeah, I'm an American. I

835
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 2: don't give a fuck about the monarchy, you hate speech laws.

836
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 2: I don't give you know what I like. I like

837
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: your breakfast because my grandfather ate beans and fucking blood

838
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 2: putting from breakfast too. But yeah, you guys ain't got

839
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: it fucking right. That's why we fucking left, you know

840
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 2: what I mean? In Americans need to realize that, like,

841
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 2: don't become your fucking parents.

842
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you fuck out, Bubba. We have to that

843
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: sometimes on the show too, where I think we pulled

844
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: it back a little bit over the years, where we

845
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: would say, you know, we have a lot of British friends,

846
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 1: we love everybody. Yeah, but also you guys know you're

847
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: a tribal system and on archipelago.

848
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: Right, it's very strange.

849
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: It's weird, like what are your qualifications for being the king?

850
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 3: It's also weird how yes, yes, yeah, Like like Michael

851
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 3: Jackson touched princes down in Prinsident and the old boy

852
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 3: husband ever got mad, right, I might should have fucked her,

853
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 3: Like the fuck you mean?

854
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: I can't? Bits got too laughs too arms, just like me.

855
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 2: I'm Michael fucking Jackson. I mean, I'm very serious in that,

856
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 2: Like we don't understand and what I'm saying. We are

857
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: talking to.

858
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: Oh also Dylan Ramsey, we're keeping it.

859
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, keeping that hard. That's all wrong, okay. But

860
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: as Americans, both both privileged and unprivileged, both have and

861
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: have nots, we are freer in in theory in terms

862
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: of this republic on paper that any other society on earth.

863
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 2: You are wealthy with those freedoms, use them before you

864
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 2: before you voluntarily give them away. You know, I remember

865
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: telling after the American said, before you jump on the

866
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: no gun ship, you show you're probably on farm. You shooting,

867
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: go shooting me a little bit.

868
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: Don't see a place where you can't do that.

869
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah, you fucking get you get killed

870
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: for three grands of marijuana. Jeff sentenced for three grands

871
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 2: of fucking weed, Like what the fuck? Like, you gotta

872
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: think about this ship man, ship's fucked up out here. Man,

873
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: you got those beautiful bodies for my wife For the time,

874
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 2: I said, what the fuck do you want to go

875
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 2: to Bolly for? So the we don't do. We're gonna

876
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 2: meditate with Russell Simmons. There's no weed there, I said,

877
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 2: we can go to fucking Destined and get house fucking

878
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 2: koba weed be out the deck stays smoking the rest

879
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: of the weed. Yeahn't because give it back to you. Yeah,

880
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, party, you don't have enough, like yeah,

881
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: fucking Destined Like it's like, bro, you We truly have

882
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 2: an amazing country. We have an amazing country if you

883
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 2: drive from coast to coast in terms of what it

884
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: looks like, the different geography you gotta see, we got

885
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: an amazing country in the terms of the things you

886
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: can see in people, you can experience, the place you

887
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: can experience from the houses of the hot coast. We

888
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: have an amazing country. Take some time to if you

889
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: can't get out the country, to get around the country.

890
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 2: Take some time to converse with people who don't look

891
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 2: like you. You know who don't I have a friend.

892
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: Man's names Mike Man oh Gi, Mike and Ohio. I

893
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 2: met Mike on a plane coming from the on coming

894
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 2: from one of the car auctions man, and we just

895
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 2: have become buddies. He's a great old man and that's

896
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 2: time we talk. He said, I don't imagine you have

897
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: the same political abuse house, Like you'd be fucking surprised

898
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 2: on the guns Mike, like he owns millions of dollars

899
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: in fucking old muscle cars and shit, and find lf

900
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: like how the buck did you get rich? Like I

901
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 2: know how I got Negro rich service, how you're fucking rich?

902
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 2: And you were overalls? And he's like I was in college.

903
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: I wasn't very much interested. So I started drawing out

904
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 2: some stuff out of improved farm equipment, almost like this

905
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: large farm equipment company. She's rich and shit. I've grown

906
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: as a human from knowing him because we have a

907
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: common interest in old cars. But he has so much

908
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 2: wisdom and energy to give and poor to me. This

909
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: kid that he doesn't even know which way I vote,

910
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: but he doesn't give a fuck. He just cares that

911
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: I get to enjoy the American dream. He loved the

912
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: fact that I'm a father and a dad and that

913
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: I'm respectful. I love the fact that he breaks every

914
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: old white man stereotype, you know, beyond like he dresses

915
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: like an old white guy, looks like an old white guy.

916
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I might be the only

917
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 2: rapper he listens to, but you walk in fucking his garage.

918
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 2: He has, fucking man, it's got like half a million

919
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: dollars and whiskeys from across the world. I'm just like,

920
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 2: he's one of the most renaissance man I've ever met.

921
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: Yet he just looks like any guy walking out of

922
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: the appellation with a bottle of shine. And if we

923
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: don't start to value that about him ourselves, James Balbin

924
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 2: talk about is having to come to a recording because

925
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: ain't going to pick up and move back to Africa.

926
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: Whites ain't definitely ain't feel I know, the Scott's and

927
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: Irish ain't going back. They're like, fuck that we worked

928
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: hard in the first seven years. Bee, we're here. If

929
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 2: we don't take some time to re establish who we

930
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: are as individuals. What makes you feel good? Your family,

931
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 2: your communities. But realize that America's like these quills said

932
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 2: my great grandmother used to make. My great grandmother would

933
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 2: have us in the summers, come down and bring your

934
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: old clothes. So you brought your old blue jeans, your

935
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 2: old sweaters and stuff. And then she would just take

936
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 2: the next few days. She just cut all the shit

937
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 2: up in the squares, triangles, whatever, and then she starts sewing.

938
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 2: And by the time we were leaving or people were

939
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 2: leaving my grandmother's house, everyone we have a blanket. But

940
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: your blanket wasn't just your shit. It was your cousin's patchwork.

941
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: It was your patch it was other cousin, you know

942
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 2: what I mean. And we still have these blankets. My

943
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: sisters and now another family member still have these. That's

944
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: what this country is. We're not a big bowl of

945
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: suit where everybody kind of dissipates with the boiling water

946
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 2: boils down who you are. We're not that, you know.

947
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: We're not a salad where people can just kind of

948
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: pick out the parts they don't like and don't like,

949
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 2: and you know, you just eat the parts of Like us,

950
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 2: we are quilt. Some parts there that quilts going to

951
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 2: be dinom so she put a softer thing on the

952
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 2: other side. Some parts of the piece are going to

953
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: be a piece of your polo shirt that was your favorite,

954
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 2: your mom hated it, you know what I mean, There's

955
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 2: going to be parts of your fucking dad's old playboys

956
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: shirt on their and shit. But if it really is

957
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 2: a connector all I've wanted to be, what's a thread

958
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: that kept that connection going? Because as much in as

959
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 2: many differences as we have in this country, there's some

960
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: things that make us uniquely American that are so beautiful.

961
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: Bautist Republic, we have not truly exercised him our First

962
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: Amendment rights to one of them. These guys are some

963
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 2: assholes sometimes, but I watch to kind of kill time

964
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: the First Amendment auditors. The auditors, come on, come on,

965
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 2: all right, those these guys that go out on the

966
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: fucking curve and they just fucking start filming shit. Yeah,

967
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 2: Oh they're ballsy motherfuckers.

968
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 3: Man.

969
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: They film banks, they film hospitals, they go to police

970
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 2: stations to film because it's legal. Your First Amendment rights

971
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: gives you the right the symbol freedom of religiend, freedom

972
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 2: of press, and freedom of spirit, truth gathering school, noized government.

973
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 2: So you can sit down on the sidewalk, you can

974
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: film all day. Cops come hey, you know what I'm telling

975
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: what you're doing? No, because it's your first Amendment right

976
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: not to Well, all right, let me see you I

977
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: D No. If you can't articulate reasonable suspicion or an

978
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: actual crime I've done, I'm not required to give you

979
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 2: a D. This is the best way to teach the Amendments.

980
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, why doesn't this happen in schools? Why the

981
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: fuck could man to read? The way I learned civics

982
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 2: was Miss Ellison, who was a fucking tyrant. She was

983
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 2: a shape like a little bowling ball. She had a

984
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: fucking three stooges haircut like fucking Larry you know, whichever

985
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 2: one's going to have, and she had a peg leg.

986
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: It was impossible not to laugh, right, Why dare you

987
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 2: do it? This motherfuck was? My mother had her at

988
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 2: fifteen while pregnant with me. Oh wow, she told my mother,

989
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 2: and my mother laughed at her. Okay, okay, we'll see

990
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: you again. My mother had to take the Sibby's class

991
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 2: back over as a singer.

992
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 1: Oh.

993
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 2: When my mother found out I had Miss Ellison's the

994
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 2: civic teacher, she told me, you shut the fuck up. Yeah,

995
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 2: and you sit at the front of the class and

996
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: you don't say a fucking word. What the fuck are

997
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: you talking about. I'm like this, CI, I have an

998
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 2: understanding of what I mean. Miss Elison said, what's your name?

999
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 2: I said, her name is Michael. She says, Michael. What

1000
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 2: said Michael? Render? My mother's main last name was Cluntz.

1001
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: She said, I no, no, what's your mother's name? I said,

1002
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: her mother's name is Denise Denise? What I said, her

1003
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 2: name is Denise Smith? What was her name when she

1004
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 2: went here? I said, what name is u? Zella? Zella class? Oh?

1005
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 2: Go ask your mama about me? Wow, somewhere home as

1006
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: my mom els exactly crazy, brother, And she's like, you

1007
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 2: shut the fuck up. You said the funning class, You

1008
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 2: shut the fuck I came the next day and Miss

1009
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 2: Elton I said, it's back calling out home and she

1010
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: went in to see me. Shut the fuck up. Miss

1011
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: Ellison said, Michael. I said, yes, ma'am. She says, and

1012
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: it's the class not quiet. She says, did you talk

1013
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 2: to your mother? I said, yes, ma'am. What she tell you?

1014
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: She told me to sit at the front of the

1015
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: class and to shut up. She said, well, there's a

1016
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 2: spot for you here. I walked my ass up, sat

1017
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: next to Shari read so me and Shari Read. I

1018
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 2: was just like, God, damn, this bitch got a target

1019
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: on my back. Brother. And for the rest of that semester,

1020
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: that woman taught me why to love America in terms

1021
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: of how principle it could be because she was a tyrant.

1022
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 2: She was a tyrant. I knew I deserved that a

1023
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 2: in that class. I knew Shari Read was reading off

1024
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: my fucking paper. That lady gave me a B plus.

1025
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 3: Shit it on me, but do you feel it?

1026
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: But I understood her wanting me to understand the Bill

1027
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 2: of Rights, the Amendments, what this republic promise, and the

1028
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 2: way she exercise that when she showed me what titalitarianism

1029
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 2: was because in her classroom she was an absolute dictator.

1030
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: Not a democracy.

1031
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 2: It was not a democracy in that class. And it

1032
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 2: made me love the potential of what this could be.

1033
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: And she tested. She bring me up in front of

1034
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 2: class explain to these other people what that means because

1035
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 2: she knew I had to understand. She knew I got it,

1036
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 2: but she didn't give me a break me in. At

1037
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 2: the end she said, what do you think you deserved?

1038
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: I said, I deserve eight Yeah, yeah, I should have

1039
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 2: said hey. Plus she brought me down to ay. That

1040
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 2: brought me down to be plus I was mad, I

1041
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: was dyslectric, so my writing might have been fucked up.

1042
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 2: But she that conditioning, you know, along with later reading

1043
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: Chomskin things like that, really conditioned me to love the potential.

1044
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 2: But what we are has to be maintained. It's not

1045
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 2: something that's static and just we can just accept it is.

1046
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: It has to be the line has to be pushed

1047
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 2: on a constant and consistent basis.

1048
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,959
Speaker 1: Democracy is like any other muscle. If you don't use.

1049
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: It, yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely.

1050
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: And hold the phone, don't run the jewels just yet, Dylan,

1051
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 1: we get a sound effect, all right, that's perfect. We've

1052
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 1: had such an amazing exploration here that we're actually making

1053
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: this a two part interview and through the magic of editing, Matt,

1054
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: you and I don't know exactly where this part of

1055
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: the interview stops.

1056
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 3: We have no idea. Oh we're sitting here with baited

1057
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 3: breath just like you. Is there going to be more?

1058
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 3: They say there's gonna be more. I hope there's more.

1059
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 3: We talked a lot more.

1060
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: We sure did, and we would love to hear from

1061
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: you folks, so please tune in to part two of

1062
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: our interview on conversation with none other than the legendary

1063
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: Killer Mike. In the meantime, we'd love to hear your thoughts,

1064
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: so you can find us online Conspiracy Stuff, Conspiracy Stuff

1065
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: show anywhere there's an at sign something like that, I'll

1066
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: get you there. You can also call us on the phone.

1067
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 3: Our number is one eight three three std wy TK

1068
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 3: Oh my ai God. We haven't been able to do

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Speaker 3: that in a while. Thank you, Ben. That's our phone number.

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Speaker 3: You can call it. It's a voicemail system. When you

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Speaker 3: call in, give yourself a cool nickname and let us

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Speaker 3: know if we can use your name and message on

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Speaker 3: the air. If you'd like to instead send us an email,

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Speaker 3: you can.

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Speaker 1: We are the entities the red piece of correspondence we received.

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Speaker 1: Be well aware, yet unafraid. Sometimes the void writes back,

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Speaker 1: what do we mean? There's one way to find out.

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Speaker 1: Join us here in the dark conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 3: Stuff they Don't Want You to Know is a production

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Speaker 3: of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 3: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.