1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Tomorrow will be the fifth anniversary of the murder of 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: April Kaufman at the Jersey Shore in Lynwood, Atlantic County. 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: Who would want to kill April Kaufman. I can't think 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: of anybody that would want to do harm to April 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: because all she ever did was help people. April Coffman 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: was not only a beloved radio ho, she was also 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: beloved for being an advocate for veterans. The worker who 8 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: came to the home on What's doot drive to the 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: Kaufman's pet parents discovered her body in her bedroom and 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: call police. Say her husband told them April was alive 11 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: when he left that morning. Authority say she had been 12 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: shot multiple times. This is Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: That's a newly appointed prosecutor who says he is focusing 14 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: on unresolved homicide. We're asking for a sample of his DNA, 15 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: the prosecutor's office says. Jim Kaufman's attorney is opposing it. 16 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: I missed my mom a lot, even though I walk 17 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: around with a smile. In my case, there's a big, 18 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: big hole in my heart. A highly popular radio DJ 19 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: dead right now. The cold case murderer of a New 20 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: Jersey radio DJ has been revived by prosecutors who are 21 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: demanding DNA from her widower. I Nancy Grace, this is 22 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. This woman 23 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: was absolutely phenomenal on the radio. April Kaufman. She was 24 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 1: murdered in her bedroom in her luxury home May two 25 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: thousand twelve. Now she was shot multiple times and she 26 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: had a cut on her arm. Her daughter Kim has 27 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: long believed it was April's husband who murdered her in 28 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: her luxury home. She the daughter Kim, is suing the 29 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: husband for wrongful death and is trying to stop him 30 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: from getting his mits on six hundred thousand dollars oh, 31 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: six hundred thousand dollars from April's life insurance policies. Now 32 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: he the husband, Dr James Kaufman, denies murdering her or 33 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: having anything to do with her death, but now prosecutors 34 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: asked him to voluntarily submit to a DNA sample or 35 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: UH is the gig up again? I Mancy Grace, this 36 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: is Crime Stories, and I want to thank you for 37 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,399 Speaker 1: being with us. Alan the Deep Deep joining me from 38 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: his enclave in Hollywood. Allen nobody has ever been arrested 39 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: for the murderer of the popular, highly popular DJ April Kaufman. 40 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: And she's not only beautiful on the radio on the inside, 41 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: she's beautiful on the outside. She's actually she's a stunner. Now, 42 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: her adult daughter, Kim insists that the endocrinologist husband, James Kaufman, 43 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: shot her and she, the daughter, is fighting to have 44 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: him prosecuted. She was murdered in her Lynwood home, Upscale, Lynwood, 45 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve. The daughter has gone so far 46 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: as to file a wrongful death lawsuit. Now that's not 47 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: a criminal case, it's civil like O. J. Simpson was 48 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 1: prosecuted criminally and was acquitted. Then the victim, Ron Goldman 49 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: family sued him civilly and he was held responsible civilly. 50 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: That's what this is, okay, Alan weigh In, The doctor's 51 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: lawyer says this is all about money. And he was 52 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: never accused by his stepdaughter of killing his wife until 53 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: they started arguing in court over the insurance money. There's 54 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: two life insurance policies a hundred thousand dollars. Why does 55 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: he need money, He's a daughter turk. Well doctors love money, 56 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: I guess, and who doesn't And well it's out there. 57 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: Why not go get it, but think about this Alan. 58 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: The love of money, preach, sister preach is the roote. 59 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: I will have you seen my car? What is it? 60 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 1: It's like a soccer mom band from two thousand and two. 61 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: It is a beat up minivan covered in stickers, and 62 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: I'm proud of it. Okay, all right? You see what 63 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: I wear every day when i'm do You see what 64 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: I wear every day when I'm not on the air 65 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: or in court. You see what I wear it. Doubles 66 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: is a podcasting studio sometimes too. Doubles. It's a podcasting 67 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: my black tights and my cowboy boots and my t shirt. Okay, 68 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: so you would love to have it. So don't praise 69 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: to me about people loving money. Money will be the 70 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: death of you. I'm just telling you. You love money, 71 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: You're in trouble. That's what I'm selling. Had to fight 72 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: over money, is what the lawyer for the husband says. 73 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: There's a hundred thousand dollars and a five thousand insurance 74 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: policy on the dead woman April, and the insurance companies 75 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: are refusing to pay out, saying no because the doctor 76 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: is a suspect and unless you can get cleared by 77 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: the d A, we're not going to pay off. And 78 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: the d A up to this point have refused to 79 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: give a letter to him saying you're not a suspect. 80 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,679 Speaker 1: And so he went to court. I guess not. They've 81 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: demanded him to give a d n A but sample 82 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 1: and he refused new development. And this is why the 83 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: love of money can get you in big trouble. To 84 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: make your point is he has been fighting. He filed 85 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: a lawsuit in federal court to try to force that 86 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: money so he could get it. And then, uh, the daughter, 87 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: Kim Pack, who is the second beneficiary. If if the 88 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: widower doesn't get it, then she would get it. So 89 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: she joined the battle and filed and accused her stepdad 90 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: of killing her mother. You know what makes me angry? 91 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: Or is that people always they jump up and say, oh, 92 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: you're only do it, You're only suing because of money. 93 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: Why shouldn't she sue? How wrong is it for an 94 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: accused killer. She's accusing him of murder. Why should he 95 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,239 Speaker 1: get six hundred thousand dollars in her mind? I'm gonna 96 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: pause and thank our awesome sponsor or partner in today's podcast, 97 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: and I'll start with a story out of racing, Wisconsin. 98 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: A house catches on fire, nobody's home. 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My, that's quite the coin kie dink? 127 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: Does it murder? Make no? But her body is found 128 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: by someone, he sends to go find her body, I mean, 129 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: excuse me, someone he sends to go to the house 130 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: to check on her. She was lying on the floor 131 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: with multiple gunshot wounds. She appeared to have a cut 132 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: on her arm. Now, listen, if this is a burglary 133 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: gone wrong, why shoot the person multiple times? Why not 134 00:08:55,240 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: just run out the door? She was not raped, there's 135 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: no sex assault, So what's the motive? Nothing stolen? Interesting? 136 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: She was still alive when police arrived, but then died 137 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: of her injuries. So isn't that a coincidence she was 138 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: just shot? She doesn't answer the phone. Now, if I 139 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: don't answer my phone, Alan, do you send somebody to 140 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: come look and check on me? No? So why did 141 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: he do that? Yeah, you take more than just one 142 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,599 Speaker 1: or two times if not answering your phone. That is 143 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: a good point. That the point about the d a's 144 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: nothing else for you, young man. Since she died. Mr Thing, 145 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: the husband, he's already sold her estate and remarried. That 146 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: was hasty. Huh. Sheets on the bed didn't even get cold. 147 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: I wonder if he even changed the sheets. Okay, go ahead, Okay, 148 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: So if they get the d n A, it's not 149 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: a suspect. He has not been formally accused. The only 150 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: one pointing the finger at him. It's not me and 151 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: it's not Allan is the dog not the only one 152 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: really yet. Because of the d A hearing that is 153 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: this week, there is a new prosecutor in this county 154 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: and as a result, this prosecutor was sworn in on 155 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: March fifteenth, and the first thing he said was bring 156 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: me all the cold cases, all of the cases since 157 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy that haven't been solved, and they started, he 158 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: started having the staff look through them, and he said, 159 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: what about this lady April Kaufman. That was a pretty 160 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: big deal five years ago. So they started looking at 161 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: it and they said, wait, we've got some DNA evidence 162 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: if we could only match him up. And that's when 163 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: they started the effort. They've been sitting on the DNA. 164 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: You haven't time something. I have another effect for you. Reportedly, 165 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 1: the indo chronologist husband, who has already sold her estate 166 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: and remarried, has also I tried to cash in on 167 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: two life insurance policies where he was named as the beneficiary, 168 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: and as you accurately pointed out, yet again, I caught 169 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: you being right again. The insurance provider has refused on 170 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: the basis that he has not been ruled out as 171 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: a suspect, and cops refused to provide the insurance with 172 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: the report stating as much that he has been cleared. 173 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: What do you call that the slayers statute that would 174 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 1: bar anybody who was involved in the killing from getting 175 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: a benefit. Yeah, it goes by different names in different jurisdictions, 176 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: but yes, so he the husband has sued the insurance company, 177 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: claiming he's entitled to the money it then the company 178 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: listed Kim pack the daughter as a third party who 179 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: might contest the request, and that and only then, then, 180 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: and only then then did the daughter file the wrongful 181 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: death claim all right, blaming her mother's death on the stepfather, 182 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: Dr Kaufman. So it's not as if the daughter Kim 183 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: raced out and sued over money. There was a long 184 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: sequence of events started really by the doctor himself. He's 185 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: the one that tried to put cash into insurance policies. 186 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: He's the one that sold the estate. He's the one 187 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 1: that remarried. He's the one refusing to give DNA. He 188 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: did this, and then she responded with her own lawsuit. 189 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: So I don't like the daughter being portrayed some money 190 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: grabb her. She did not jump into the debate over 191 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: this killing until she says, in fact, this is what 192 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: she said two years ago when she filed the suit 193 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: against him. She says, I purposely tried to avoid directly 194 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: talking about what happened. But after being brought into this lawsuit, 195 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: meaning the over the insurance thing, I have no choice 196 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: but to respond, to begin the fight for what I 197 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: know is right. I can no longer sit back and 198 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: allow what I perceive as an injustice to occur in 199 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: the fast wha wait, wait, wait, wait what are you 200 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: writing this down? But I need to process it. Okay, 201 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: you sound like one of those disclaimers at the end 202 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: of commercials and car car advertisements. Now hold on, you're 203 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: talking about a statement from April I mean, excuse me 204 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: from Kim the daughter. Yes, Okay, can just slow down 205 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: a minute now. What what did she say? She said 206 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: that she hadn't been really speaking out about this case, 207 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: but after being brought into this lawsuit, I have no 208 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: choice but to respond and to begin to fight for 209 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: what I know is right. I can no longer sit 210 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: back and allow what I perceive as an injustice to occur. 211 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: I know that my mother would not want me to 212 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 1: sit silently any longer. That's what she said at the 213 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: news conference where they announced this in three years ago. 214 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: You know, it's bad enough to lose a parent. I mean, 215 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: I know, Alan, You've lived through me losing my dad 216 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: two years ago and I'm still I mean, I've got 217 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: his handkerchief in my hand right now that I carry 218 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: with me all the time, and I just it's bad 219 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: enough to lose your parents, but then to think they 220 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: were murdered, for them to be lost to violence, it's 221 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: a whole different kind of worms. Whim your loved one 222 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: is murdered. You know, my fiancee's murder. It made me 223 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: realize that because it's not you're not just dealing with 224 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: a death or a loss. You're dealing with an intentional 225 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: infliction of pain and death, which is a whole another 226 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: trauma to those left behind. And this girl loses a 227 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: parent to violence. That's that's a lot to process. Now. 228 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: This husband, Dr Kaufmin, lived in the home where April 229 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: was found murdered. Now, the neighbors say the pair had 230 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: recently bought another home in Arizona and the doctor was 231 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: planning to retire. Well, if he gets all this insurance money, 232 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: he will certainly be able to retire with his new bride. 233 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: He was at the time. I believe that's not old 234 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: enough to retire. He's got plenty of years left to work. 235 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: That's true, But doctors sometimes do that because they can. 236 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: Wouldn't you move to Arizona from Lynnwood, New Jersey? This 237 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: is just outside of Atlantic City. Don't knock Jersey. Don't 238 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: knock Jersey. One of my very best friends lives there 239 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: in Jersey, and I've been to his home with his 240 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: wife and his boys. Is beautiful, and they don't call 241 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: it the garden State for nothing. There's a lot of 242 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: beautiful areas in countryside, in wooded areas in Jersey. Okay, 243 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: I guess my opinion of New Jersey has been tainted 244 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: by the fact that that's where I went to bootcamp. 245 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: When I went into the army at Fort Dickson. Hard 246 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: to imagine you and your ponytail and boot camp. They 247 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: made me cut it off. Then they shaved it off 248 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: and go ahead, everybody, go ahead, and right in? How 249 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: mean I am to allen? Dig ahead? Oh okay, I 250 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: want to talk about this, says police. Another account, and 251 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: it's an old account. I read a two thousand twelve 252 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: account that said police are close to making an arrest 253 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: after she was found shot dead. That was in two 254 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: thousand twelve. Now we learned that Kaufman, the husband Dr 255 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: James Coffin, says his wife was asleep when he left 256 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: for work Thursday morning, so he sees her that morning. 257 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: The beloved local radio talk show host very active on 258 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: veterans affairs. She was a big supporter of our veterans. 259 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: Her body, bullet riddled, was found at her home thirty 260 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: a m by the handyman. The husband calls in, who 261 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: calls nine one one. Now, this is according to the 262 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: then prosecutor. So the husband is with her by his 263 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: own admission, the morning of her murder. Then in the 264 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: space a very short time span, she's found dead, shot 265 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: numerous times in the bedroom of their homes. You're right, 266 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: Alan's twelve miles miles from Atlantic City. Now, she co 267 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: hosted the King Arthur Show on w ib G. The 268 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: prosecutor let it slip that the killing her murder had 269 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: nothing to do with her radio job. What do you 270 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: make of that, Alan, It was very non controversial. It 271 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: wasn't like the podcast we do here where somebody just 272 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: might be looking at me when I walk out the 273 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: door here in Los Angeles for what I said about them. 274 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: But in fact, just before her death, she was given 275 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: the Governor's Award for Community Service for what she was 276 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: doing with veterans, mostly focusing on leading a petition drive 277 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: for veterans healthcare and pushing for local health programs for them. 278 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: So she was she was a saint in the community. Now, Alan, 279 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: I know why she always looks so good in every picture. 280 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: She also owned a hair salon in a catering service, 281 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: so that's why her hair is always perfect. She's always perfect. 282 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: She's really really pretty. Neighbors claim that they saw her 283 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: husband arriving at the murder scene, saying his wife was 284 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: asleep with a pillow over her face when he went 285 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: to work that morning. Now, why would he share that 286 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: with the neighbors. But anyway, Another neighbor said he spoke 287 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: briefly to his wife and kept asking why now, why now? Now, 288 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: that's that's an odd question to ask. That's what the 289 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: neighbors say that she had this incredible personality. She could 290 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: never say no to any charity. She was the kind 291 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: of person that would give you the shirt off her back. 292 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: That's according to her co host, that she had been 293 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: in a great mood the day before Wednesday, no indication 294 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: anything was wrong. They had been celebrated, celebrating progress on 295 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: a lot of veterans issues, and she was talking about 296 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: a new and you're working with homeless veterans. Wow, what 297 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: about that? Yeah? And as I said, she had just 298 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: gotten this big award for all of her work. Here's 299 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: something that's going to really make you mad. And it 300 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: reminds me of what we discussed in a case recently, 301 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: the one about the lawyer who is charged with killing 302 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: his wife in Atlanta. Text, yes, exactly text what did 303 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: he do after her death? He auctioned off her belongings, 304 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: including family heirlooms in this one and this one including 305 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: family heirlooms. Does I wonder how the daughter felt about 306 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: family are well, that's part of her whole problem with it. 307 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: Oh my stars, Oh my stars. That's terrible. That's really bad. 308 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: Oh man, that makes me hurt for the dog. It does, 309 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: because I mean, things don't really matter, like your TV 310 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: or your DVD player or your sofa, your VHS player 311 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: in your Yeah, thank you, but thanks Like I don't 312 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: know my grandmother's engagement ring, the rocking chair that belonged 313 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: to my granny, my great grandmother. Those things would matter 314 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: to me, and all that's gone. Yeah, auctioned it off 315 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: and remarried. I got a question, an investigation type question 316 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: for you. You're really trying to the fire, I've got 317 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: an investigative type question for you. So this in the 318 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: next week, we should know if he's going to the doctor, 319 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: is going to be forced to give DNA, which he's 320 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: refused because of a hearing. Then the prosecutor is pushing 321 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: at Damon Tyner, the new prosecutor there. The judge is 322 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 1: going to decide after a hearing if he's going to 323 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: force it, and my guests as he will. But if 324 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: they get that DNA, we've not heard what kind of 325 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: DNA evidence the investigators have. They've held it close to 326 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: their vest But if the guy lived there, slept in 327 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: that bed, dressed in that bedroom, what kind of DNA 328 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,479 Speaker 1: could there be that he couldn't just argue, well, of 329 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: course I've got DNA at the death scene. I live there. Well, 330 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: it depends, It depends if she had a cut on 331 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: her arm, What is that from? Is that from a knife? 332 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: Is there the perpetrator's DNA anywhere? I mean that that's 333 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: what they're looking at. Obviously they're not. It can't be 334 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: just DNA in the bathroom where he may have cut 335 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: himself shaving. It's got to be in a location or 336 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: in a condition that raises an evidentiary evidentiary issue about 337 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: who committed the crime. And I guess under fingernails, I like, 338 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 1: if if she had scratched him and got his skin 339 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: under her fingernails, something like that. Well, then this is 340 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: the races. The other question, if they've got that kind 341 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: of DNA evidence, why is it five years later that 342 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: they're finally asking for DNA from him? Now? Another thing. 343 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: The handyman Will Gonzalez call nine one one and he said, quote, 344 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: my boss is flat on the floor in her bedroom. 345 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: She has a cut on her arm. She's not answering. 346 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: So what he saw first is the cut. That's interesting, right, Yeah, 347 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 1: it makes the cut bigger than than otherwise might have been. 348 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 1: That it was an obvious He thought that's what her 349 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: problem was. He probably didn't see the gunshots. And what's 350 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: so sad about the husband auctioning off his former wife's belongings. 351 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: Friends came forward and bought them, bought a lot of 352 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: them in order to give them to the daughter. That's 353 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: just a shame that he would not let her pick 354 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: what she wanted before he auctioned things off. That's very hurtful. 355 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: I gotta say stupid too, because if you think about it, 356 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: if he did the killing, which you probably think he did, 357 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: he no, no, I'm not. He has not been named 358 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: with suspect. He has not Maybe between your ears though, 359 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 1: let's just be honest here, Nancy. You've not said it, 360 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: so there's no libel or slander. I'm gonna let the 361 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: police do the talking on this one, hey, but this 362 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: is something I do want to say. If you have 363 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 1: any information about the murder of this beautiful lady, April Kaufman, 364 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: please call six zero nine nine oh nine seven six 365 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: six six six O nine nine zero nine seven six 366 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: six six, or go to crime online dot com where 367 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: we have our tip line and an email tip service. 368 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: And again, if you're not there when a fire starts, 369 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: who will be there to save your home with? 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