WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema: Doctor X

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. My name is Rob Lamb.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm Joe McCormick. And today I think we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to be doing the chronologically earliest film that we've done

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<v Speaker 3>so far. Isn't that right?

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<v Speaker 2>I believe so.

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<v Speaker 3>So today we're going to be talking about Doctor X,

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<v Speaker 3>a nineteen thirty two American pre code horror film that

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<v Speaker 3>shocked my soul and conscience and I thought was just

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<v Speaker 3>a fabulous ride.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, this one was a pleasant surprise for me

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<v Speaker 2>as well. I was only vaguely aware of it. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>get into into some of that in a bit, but

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<v Speaker 2>I was vaguely aware that it existed, knew basically nothing

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<v Speaker 2>about it. You suggested it, I saw a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>the people that were involved in it, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>signed on side unseen and went in without any spoilers

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<v Speaker 2>or anything. Watched it this morning and it was fabulous.

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<v Speaker 2>So while it might seem to start out as a

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<v Speaker 2>rather traditional film, and it ends fairly to traditionally as well,

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<v Speaker 2>it gets just heavily weird in the middle in a

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<v Speaker 2>way that it really has to be experienced.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, there's one scene in particular. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>would say that there is a like five minute sequence

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<v Speaker 3>in this movie that you should watch the movie for,

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<v Speaker 3>even if for nothing else. But there's some other fun

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<v Speaker 3>stuff in there as well. Absolutely, and we'll get into

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<v Speaker 3>what that is later on. But I thought at first

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<v Speaker 3>we should talk for a little bit about the historical

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<v Speaker 3>context of this era of movies. So this is a

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<v Speaker 3>pre code movie. You might have heard that term used

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<v Speaker 3>by film historians before pre code, and that code there

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<v Speaker 3>refers to something called the Haze Code. So basically from

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<v Speaker 3>about nineteen thirty four until roughly the end of the

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen fifties. I think sometimes the movie Some Like It

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<v Speaker 3>Hot in nineteen fifty nine is held out as sort

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<v Speaker 3>of like the demise of the Hayes Code era. But

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<v Speaker 3>for this period, from the mid thirties through the fifties,

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<v Speaker 3>American film studios sort of agreed to be governed by

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<v Speaker 3>censorship guidelines that were known as the Hayes Code. So

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<v Speaker 3>this prohibited a lot of stuff that you might, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>automatically think of, of course obvious R rated content like nudity

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<v Speaker 3>and profanity, but it also banned content that was considered

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<v Speaker 3>objectionable to conservative social values, so that might be all

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<v Speaker 3>kinds of you know, references to cannibalism and things. You

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<v Speaker 3>weren't supposed to have movies in which the audience would

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<v Speaker 3>be asked to sympathize with criminals or crime, which is

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<v Speaker 3>just a great guideline for complex moral cinema. You weren't

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to have movies that ridiculed the church or religion,

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<v Speaker 3>or movies with interracial or same sex romance. But there

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<v Speaker 3>was a time before this code was implemented, before it

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<v Speaker 3>was started, before it started to be strictly enforced in

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<v Speaker 3>around nineteen thirty four, and that brief period between the

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<v Speaker 3>spread of talkies, so movies with synchronized sound, which was

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<v Speaker 3>mainly in nineteen twenty nine, and then the stricter enforcement

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<v Speaker 3>of the code in nineteen thirty four, that like five

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<v Speaker 3>year period is known as the pre Code period in

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<v Speaker 3>American film, and it's characterized by movies that experimented with

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<v Speaker 3>more controversial content of multiple kinds. So you had sillacious

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<v Speaker 3>content in terms of sex and violence and crime, the

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<v Speaker 3>normal R rated kind of stuff that shocks the morals,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was also I think it's worth pointing out

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<v Speaker 3>a period of increased experimentation with progressive social themes that

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<v Speaker 3>would mostly fade from American movies in the following decades,

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<v Speaker 3>only to re emerge in the sixties. So I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's an interesting parallel that in the same time you

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<v Speaker 3>see this brief early flowering of kind of like racy,

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<v Speaker 3>r rated content, you also see things that we would

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<v Speaker 3>later think are like good social values that were prohibited

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<v Speaker 3>at the time, and they were sort of struck down

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<v Speaker 3>with the same stick in thirty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's interesting too when you think about film, the

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<v Speaker 2>film output, the cinematic output as an indicator of what

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<v Speaker 2>the underlying culture is there was, you know, because once

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<v Speaker 2>you have the code in place, Yeah, to a certain extent,

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<v Speaker 2>the code is a product of the culture, and therefore

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<v Speaker 2>you can see those films that come out of it

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<v Speaker 2>as a reflection of what the culture wanted to see

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<v Speaker 2>itself as. But it also means you have this inauthentic

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<v Speaker 2>view of what was actually going on in the zeitgeist

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<v Speaker 2>of the time. You know, we just go back when

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<v Speaker 2>we watch films from the nineteen fifties, American mainstream films

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<v Speaker 2>from the fifties, and you get this kind of vision

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<v Speaker 2>that's like, oh wow, it looks looks pretty dry, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's you know, it's pretty, it's pretty square.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it's very sanitized in many respects.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, people often harken back to they say there was

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<v Speaker 3>a time where movies were more innocent. Have you ever

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<v Speaker 3>heard that there was a more innocent age and cinema,

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<v Speaker 3>which I think is a horrible way of putting it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's not really what it was. What you're

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<v Speaker 3>saying is there was a time when American movies were

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<v Speaker 3>more censored.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, because I mean and certainly when you look

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<v Speaker 2>at films from the fifties, there's plenty of horrible stuff

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<v Speaker 2>going on, like socially that's reflected in those films. But

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, you have this code in place is preventing

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<v Speaker 2>this racier content from taking place, and it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>limits the palette that artists of that time had to use,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that were at their disposal to bring their

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<v Speaker 2>message across, be it like a really highly thought out

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<v Speaker 2>artistic message or the B cinema message, which I think,

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<v Speaker 2>as we've discussed before a lot of times, B cinema

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<v Speaker 2>that is where the in genre cinema, cinema, horror cinema,

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<v Speaker 2>science fiction cinema. That's sometimes the first place where some

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<v Speaker 2>of these cultural ideas are explored.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally before they reach the mainstream. Now I don't

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<v Speaker 3>wanna say so, we're gonna be talking about this movie

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<v Speaker 3>Doctor X, which is a horror movie in the pre

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<v Speaker 3>code era, and for that reason for it it's time

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<v Speaker 3>and place. It does feel very weird and edgy and

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<v Speaker 3>unlike movies, you know, horror movies that would be put

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<v Speaker 3>out by American studios a decade later. It feels much

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<v Speaker 3>more dangerous than that. But at the same time, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to imply that this movie particularly embodies any

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<v Speaker 3>like at the time controversial progressive social themes that I

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<v Speaker 3>can think of. I don't think it really does. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just like a horror, murder, mystery movie. But it

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<v Speaker 3>does have this this harder edge from being in that

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<v Speaker 3>early thirties period that I think serves it quite well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely, it's just.

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<v Speaker 3>Got a darker, weirder, more dangerous sensibility than stuff you

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<v Speaker 3>would normally expect to see from movies of the thirties.

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<v Speaker 3>Though then again, I would say, you know, there are

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<v Speaker 3>some that are in the postcode era that that rival

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<v Speaker 3>it in certain ways, Like I don't know, Mad Love,

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<v Speaker 3>I think is sort of on the same level. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but maybe we should give the Elevator pitch for this movie. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>So what's Doctor x about?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So imagine yourself at a medical academy where absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>every member of the faculty is a prime suspect in

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<v Speaker 2>the cannibalistic moon killer slayings, like serial murderers that are

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<v Speaker 2>taking place at night during a full moon. So we

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<v Speaker 2>meet up with this character, doctor Xavier, Doctor Xavier, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get into the various pronunciations, and he's heading up the academy.

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<v Speaker 2>The police have come to him and they say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we think the killer is one of you guys, and

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<v Speaker 2>the doctor x here says, give me forty eight hours.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll find the killer myself, so the police don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to get involved and we don't have to get a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of bad pr for the academy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a pretty great setup. Maybe we should hit

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<v Speaker 3>that trailer audio. We are all under suspicion of murder.

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<v Speaker 2>What absurd? What imbitial thought that up? I'm Lee Taylor

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<v Speaker 2>of the Daily World.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you did it? Me?

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<v Speaker 2>If you in printed that horrible story father in this

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<v Speaker 2>morning's paper, don't be afraid tonight. Be sure you keep

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<v Speaker 2>your eyes closed and relax.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm laying ten bucks to a dime.

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<v Speaker 2>It'ch another moon killer murder. One of us may be

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<v Speaker 2>a murderer, a murderer who killed with the light of

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<v Speaker 2>a full moon, leaving his victim's body mutilated. Sounds good,

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<v Speaker 2>sounds good.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we may have buried one of the leads here,

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<v Speaker 3>which is that this ced nineteen thirty two horror movie

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<v Speaker 3>about cannibalistic murders and synthetic flesh was directed by Michael Kurtiz,

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<v Speaker 3>the director of Casablanca. That's a pretty odd fact. So

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Curtiz was a Hungarian American film director who made

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of the most well regarded movies of Hollywood's

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<v Speaker 3>Golden Age. He made The Adventures of Robin Hood in

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen thirty eight with Errol Flynn, of course, Casablanca in

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<v Speaker 3>forty two, Mildred Pearce in nineteen forty five. He did

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<v Speaker 3>at least one James Cagney crime movie. So we are

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<v Speaker 3>not dealing with a Roger Korman type here. This is

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<v Speaker 3>not a scrappy schlock production, you know, for kids at

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<v Speaker 3>the drive in. This is one of the era's most

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<v Speaker 3>high profile and successful directors. But there are ways in

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<v Speaker 3>which Kurtis I think was much like Corman. And one

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<v Speaker 3>of those ways is that Kurtis was prolific, ferociously productive,

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<v Speaker 3>and he put out a staggering volume of film work

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<v Speaker 3>of sort of mixed staying power. Some of it, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>is considered classics movies like Casablanca. Other stuff is largely forgotten,

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<v Speaker 3>and he bounced all over genres. He directed musicals, westerns, swashbucklers,

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<v Speaker 3>horror movies, biblical epics. And another thing that's interesting about

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<v Speaker 3>him is that basically everybody who chronicles his life points

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<v Speaker 3>out that his personal habits took the idea of staying

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<v Speaker 3>busy to an almost fanatical extreme. There's one example of this.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a paragraph that I came across when I was

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<v Speaker 3>reading an article in the La Times by Kenneth Turan

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<v Speaker 3>that was a review of a book called Michael Kurtz,

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<v Speaker 3>A Life in Films by Alan k. Rhade, and so

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<v Speaker 3>Turin writes the following, both on camera and off, Kurtes

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<v Speaker 3>wanted things always to be moving, hurtling cars and trains

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<v Speaker 3>and propulsive people figure prominently in his films. Even the

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<v Speaker 3>dark factory smoke in the movie Female moves purposefully across

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<v Speaker 3>the screen rather than just evaporating lazily into thin air.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone who is likely easily bored and reportedly needed only

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<v Speaker 3>four hours sleep. Kurtes only wanted to be doing, doing, doing,

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<v Speaker 3>which led to difficult situations with his cast and crew.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not just that the director believed lunch breaks were

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<v Speaker 3>for whimps. Road notes that Curtiz's quote demonic work ethic

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<v Speaker 3>approached savagery and working conditions on his sets are said

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<v Speaker 3>to have been set, or said to be one of

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<v Speaker 3>the reasons that the Screen Actors Guild was formed.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, So yeah, just a hyperactive filmmaker who just

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to be working all the time and perhaps just

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<v Speaker 2>did not understand that other human beings either could not

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<v Speaker 2>do that or did not want that right as the

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<v Speaker 2>defining energy of their life.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there was a whole other thing I was reading

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<v Speaker 3>about his war against lunch. Like, he hated lunch. He

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<v Speaker 3>thought lunch was a stupid waste of time, and that

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<v Speaker 3>actors were lazy after lunch, and so he encouraged people

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<v Speaker 3>to skip lunch because then they would be more productive

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<v Speaker 3>in the afternoon. I don't know, it sounds borderline pathological.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I have to say that I'm ultimately not

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<v Speaker 2>super familiar with with his work. I saw Casablanca once

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<v Speaker 2>for a film class in college and and enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's an important film. But I've seen Overdrawn

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<v Speaker 2>in the memory Bank so many times, and so many

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<v Speaker 2>more times than Casa Blanca that the simulated Casablanca scenes

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<v Speaker 2>in Overdrawn are the ones my mind goes to when

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<v Speaker 2>I think of Casta Blanca. I think of Raal Julia right,

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<v Speaker 2>as as as Rick. It's not Ricker, yes, Rick, Rick, Yes, Fingle.

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<v Speaker 2>I get Rick, Rick and Fingle are one in my mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, who's Peter Laurie and Overdrawn? In the memory Bank?

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<v Speaker 2>They have some guy doing like a really really you know,

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<v Speaker 2>stereotypical Peter Laurie impersonation. I don't remember if anybody connected

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<v Speaker 2>to the plot role.

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<v Speaker 3>Julia was actually a good actor, and I bet he

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<v Speaker 3>could have done a good Peter Lourie impression.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I bet, yeah, he could have played every role

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<v Speaker 2>in that film. But uh, I mean, Raal Julia is

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<v Speaker 2>great in that film. He's great in everything, but I would.

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<v Speaker 3>Say Curtis's talent comes through in Doctor X. This is

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<v Speaker 3>a This is a movie that is busy. It moves.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's got a lot of action. It is,

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<v Speaker 3>it does not lag.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's not a lot of space to be bored

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<v Speaker 2>in this in this film. Oh another thing about Kurtz.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you ran across this. This is

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<v Speaker 2>an IMDb fact, So I don't know to what extent

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<v Speaker 2>we can take this as absolute truth or it's just

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<v Speaker 2>a story about him. But supposedly he fell out of

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<v Speaker 2>a moving vehicle once because he had to He had

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<v Speaker 2>some idea that he had to jot down. He had

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<v Speaker 2>to write down on some notepad paper he was driving

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<v Speaker 2>the vehicle at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>That sounds about right.

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<v Speaker 2>So another interesting thing about this This film is not

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<v Speaker 2>interesting because of the names attached to it, but for

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<v Speaker 2>what it tells you about about various storytelling mediums of

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<v Speaker 2>the time. This was based on a play by Howard

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<v Speaker 2>Warren Comstock and Alan C. Miller. So back in the

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<v Speaker 2>day when I guess you just had more genre plays

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<v Speaker 2>you could. You could have a cannibalistic serial killer play

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<v Speaker 2>that one might view.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's interesting. Today, if one goes out to see

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<v Speaker 3>a play, it's almost certainly going to be of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>either a classical plays like you know, Greek or Shakespeare

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<v Speaker 3>or something, or if it's a modern play, it's like

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<v Speaker 3>a character driven drama, or it's a comedy. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we forget the early twentieth century like genre plays in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of like bloody gory horror productions for the stage

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<v Speaker 3>were extremely common, like the grang gin y'all in Paris.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, in a way I miss this tradition,

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<v Speaker 3>Like why don't high school theater groups do viciously bloody

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<v Speaker 3>grangin y'all. I'm sure you can still get those scripts somewhere.

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<v Speaker 3>They're probably even in the public domain.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they'd probably be pretty fun to put on.

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<v Speaker 3>You get some kids to do the special effects, all

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<v Speaker 3>the eyeballs squirting out and stuff. I mean, that could

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<v Speaker 3>be good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, let's get into some of the players in

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<v Speaker 2>this picture.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Well, you had an actor named Lee Tracy in

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<v Speaker 3>one of the main roles in the movie. Now, Lee

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<v Speaker 3>Tracy is not one of He doesn't play any of

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<v Speaker 3>the scientists. Instead, he plays Lee Taylor, who is sort

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<v Speaker 3>of the everyman anchor for the story. He is a

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<v Speaker 3>reporter for a newspaper called The Daily World. He is

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<v Speaker 3>a street wise, fast talking newspaper hack, the kind of

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<v Speaker 3>sardonic crime reporter character who appeared in a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>movies of this era and then would later be sort

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<v Speaker 3>of imitated or parodied for nostalgic recreations, like the character

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<v Speaker 3>of Alexander Knox in the Tim Burton Batman.

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<v Speaker 2>You remember that guy, Oh, yes, yeah, yeah, played by

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<v Speaker 2>an airless guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Robert Woohl, Yeah, that guy I think is supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to be a throwback to this stock character from thirties

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<v Speaker 3>and forties movies.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like, you know, at the instant, the instant, a

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<v Speaker 2>character like this walks on the screen because they're like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>what you got there, partner, Let me talk to you

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<v Speaker 2>about this murder. This happened in all of it out

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<v Speaker 2>I'm afraid to go out a night because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it has this whole rhythm. This cadence is an obvious trope.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say that that Lee Tracy is quite good

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<v Speaker 2>in this role, though, and and while it does contain

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<v Speaker 2>all these elements of the trope, it seems to have

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<v Speaker 2>some other fun Quirks added to it as well. So,

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<v Speaker 2>not only is he this snappy newspaperman, but there's this

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing where he's a He seems to be a

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<v Speaker 2>practical joke enthusiast who often forgets that he's wearing one

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<v Speaker 2>of these handshake buzzers.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know where he's like his wedding ring. He

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<v Speaker 3>just forgets it's on there.

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<v Speaker 2>He just forgets it's on. And and this gag actually

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<v Speaker 2>works quite well in the picture and plays into the

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<v Speaker 2>plot a bit. So I applaud that for making for

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<v Speaker 2>making a trope that I'm instantly not interested in actually entertaining.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I got to hand it to him for

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<v Speaker 3>that as well. And Tracy, I mean, he is this role.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it's just in his bones, you can tell.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I read that he apparently played a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>snappy newspaper men. There's a attributed quote I found on

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<v Speaker 2>IMDb quote, I should have quit playing newspaper man after

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<v Speaker 2>three or four parts in the movies, but the money

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<v Speaker 2>kept coming in and I liked it.

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<v Speaker 3>He liked it. It almost sounds like a line his

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<v Speaker 3>character would say in Doctor X.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I should have done it in his voice. But

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<v Speaker 2>I even I can't do that voice too often.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. So then the next major player you've got is

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<v Speaker 3>Lionel Atwill, who plays a doctor. Oh my god, So

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<v Speaker 3>they pronounce his name like five different ways in this movie.

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<v Speaker 3>It is like Professor Charles Xavier. It's Xavier Xavier or

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<v Speaker 3>Exavier is how I think most Americans would say it today.

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<v Speaker 3>But in the movie they call him doctor Xavier. They

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<v Speaker 3>call him doctor Xavier. I don't know how many different

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<v Speaker 3>ways they say it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then of course he is the titular doctor x

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<v Speaker 2>But then in a way, the title also has another meaning,

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<v Speaker 2>which we'll get to, and that is doctor x is

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<v Speaker 2>in Doctor Unknown, right, yes, So Adwell is one of

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<v Speaker 2>these actors who played a ton of characters who are

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<v Speaker 2>either inspectors or doctors. In this he gets to play both.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a doctor who acts as an inspector, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>he played villains as well, such as the role of

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<v Speaker 2>Moriarty and Sherlock Holmes and The Secret Weapon from nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>forty three. And he's also in a string of horror

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<v Speaker 2>films in the nineteen thirties. He played the one armed

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<v Speaker 2>Inspector Krag and son of Frankenstein in nineteen thirty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>which I believe was later parodied in what is it?

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<v Speaker 2>The Melbrooks film Oh What in Young Frankenstein. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>believe they parody that role a bit in there. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>I see, okay, Yeah, but in this yes, he is

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<v Speaker 2>a doctor who acts as an inspector, so he has

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of screen time. He's just constantly talking.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he's got a little bit slightly off brand

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<v Speaker 3>Christopher Plumber vibes. You know, he's a little bit Christopher Plumber,

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<v Speaker 3>but slightly less dashing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. And then there's also he does have this quality

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<v Speaker 2>too where you're not sure if you can trust him

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<v Speaker 2>or not either. Like a lot of this film is

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<v Speaker 2>centers around a who done it scenario, And indeed you

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what doctor X's deal is as well doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Xaviu's deal is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's great. There's a cast of like seven different

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<v Speaker 3>creeps who are all testifying to each other's integrity. But

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<v Speaker 3>they're all just like the most ominous, menacing people you've

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<v Speaker 3>ever seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a real rogues gallery, this medical academy. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>get in like even without getting into the details of

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<v Speaker 2>their spoil, which we'll get to, they all just look

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful and grow grotesque in their own ways. It's a wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not going to list their name, the names of

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<v Speaker 2>the actors, because most of those names are probably not

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<v Speaker 2>going to really resonate with with listeners. They're worth looking

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<v Speaker 2>up though, if you're if you're curious, but yeah, they're

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<v Speaker 2>like there's so many scenes where you'll have like our

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<v Speaker 2>leading lady, who are about to get to and she's

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<v Speaker 2>talking like a foot away or less with one of

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<v Speaker 2>these characters and their the lighting between the two characters

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<v Speaker 2>is so distinct because of course she is illuminated and

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful like an angel, right, and then these various character

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<v Speaker 2>actors are illuminated in ways to like really bring out

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<v Speaker 2>the rugged definition of their face and all the lines

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<v Speaker 2>and make them look like hollow, gaunt, haunted skeletons.

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<v Speaker 3>It's quick, wonderful, that's very well put. Well, we should

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<v Speaker 3>get to the leading lady because she I think is

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<v Speaker 3>without a doubt, the most well known member of the

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<v Speaker 3>cast here. It's Fey Ray faey Ray plays Joan Xavier,

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<v Speaker 3>the daughter I think the daughter, yeah, the daughter of

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<v Speaker 3>doctor doctors doctor Zaber.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't clear on that for about half the Picture

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<v Speaker 2>in the same years as the Daughter.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I mean god, this is Fay Ray from

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<v Speaker 3>King Kong.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, one of the original Scream queens. Yeah, she

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<v Speaker 2>played Anne Darrow in the nineteen thirty three film King Kong,

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<v Speaker 2>so she hadn't like fully exploded like King Kong was

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<v Speaker 2>the film that really launched her into the spotlight in

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<v Speaker 2>a major way. But she had a very long career.

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<v Speaker 2>So she was born in Canada, they raised in Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 2>so she intered acting at an early age, at sixteen,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe in the nineteen twenty three short Gasoline Love.

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<v Speaker 2>She acted in one hundred and twenty three titles up

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<v Speaker 2>through nineteen eighty. And as for standout roles, she was

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen thirty two is the Most Dangerous Game, and

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<v Speaker 2>a standout role for us anyway, would also be Mystery

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<v Speaker 2>of the Wax Museum from nineteen thirty three, which we've

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned on Stuff to Blow your Mind before. She was

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<v Speaker 2>in The Vampire Bat in nineteen thirty three, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>she's a legend there. You can't deny her. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>she is mentioned twice in the lyrics to The Rocky

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<v Speaker 2>Horror Picture Show. So there's the whole there's a whole

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<v Speaker 2>bit at the start of one of the songs, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>happened to Fay Ray that delicate satin draped frame as

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<v Speaker 2>it clung to her thigh? How I started to cry

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<v Speaker 2>because I wanted to be dressed just the same.

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<v Speaker 3>Does Doctor Frankinfurter sing that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, okay, that's one of the closing songs there.

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<v Speaker 2>But she's also mentioned in the lyrics to the opening

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<v Speaker 2>number Science Fiction Double Feature, as is this very movie.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, Doctor X, Doctor X is the chorus,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah where it goes, I ins Fiction Double Feature, Doctor

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<v Speaker 2>X will build a creature very nice. That's my riff raff.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, I like, you know, Feyay Hollywood icon and

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor X in its own way is he is also

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<v Speaker 2>part of the like the legacy of genre filmmaking here.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've been hearing Doctor X all this time watching

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<v Speaker 2>and listening to Rocky hor Picture Show, and I never

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<v Speaker 2>really looked up what that was. But it's clearly a

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<v Speaker 2>reference to this film.

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<v Speaker 3>It almost sounds like it could be just a stock

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<v Speaker 3>character reference, like it wouldn't have to be a real

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<v Speaker 3>character from something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it sounds it sounds like a stock character.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor X. You know, he's clearly a mad scientist of

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<v Speaker 2>some sort. Right right now.

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<v Speaker 3>There's another strange feature of this movie that I wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to mention, which is that this is nineteen thirty two,

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<v Speaker 3>but the movie is sort of in color. It was

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<v Speaker 3>made via a process that they were trying to get

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<v Speaker 3>going at the time called two color Technicolor. It's sort

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<v Speaker 3>of a strange technical interlude in the history of film.

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<v Speaker 3>The movie is not exactly in full color. There are

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of hues that don't get captured. You're not

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<v Speaker 3>going to get accurate purples and blues and yellows and

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<v Speaker 3>all that. But it's definitely not in black and white.

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<v Speaker 3>Though there was an alternate version of the film that

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<v Speaker 3>was shot in black and white. I've read that it's

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<v Speaker 3>almost identical in content except for some minor changes to

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<v Speaker 3>ad libs and the dialogue. But there are two versions

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<v Speaker 3>of this movie that were shot, one for black and

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<v Speaker 3>white projectors and one for the Technicolor version. And this

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<v Speaker 3>I think was the product of a deal between Technicolor

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<v Speaker 3>and Warner Brothers. Apparently Technicolor was not happy with the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that an alternate black and white version of the

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<v Speaker 3>film was produced, so It's kind of hard to describe

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<v Speaker 3>exactly how it looks, but it's sort of in color.

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<v Speaker 3>Certain types of colors and shades come through the dominant

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<v Speaker 3>ranges of the movie seem to be sort of like

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<v Speaker 3>green and orange, and I think that's because the two

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<v Speaker 3>color process used two filters, one was green and one

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<v Speaker 3>was red. And I would say this two color spectrum

0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:15.959
<v Speaker 3>would not be a good fit for every film, but

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like it sort of works in this one.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of appropriate because it suggests this diseased world

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<v Speaker 3>of orange light that's kind of shining through the glass

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<v Speaker 3>of a beer bottle, but also with this atmosphere of

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<v Speaker 3>green fog. It works for Doctor X.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It kind of has this dope theend vibe to it,

0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:36.960
<v Speaker 2>which is fitting because there is a quote unquote dope

0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:39.119
<v Speaker 2>fiend at what point in this film.

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<v Speaker 3>Another thing that you wouldn't get with the code.

0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:44.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I agree. I think it absolutely works here.

0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:47.720
<v Speaker 2>If you run across a black and white copy of

0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:50.160
<v Speaker 2>this film, don't watch it, watch the technicolor one. Because

0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:52.560
<v Speaker 2>if black and white is the spectrum of truth and

0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:56.280
<v Speaker 2>art for filmmaking of the time, then then it feels

0:24:56.280 --> 0:25:00.320
<v Speaker 2>appropriate that we have this alternate unreality of technicolor in

0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:03.480
<v Speaker 2>this film. Plus, there are elements of the flesh, of

0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:06.879
<v Speaker 2>the synthetic flesh that I think really pop well with

0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:09.520
<v Speaker 2>the color, Like I imagine they would have been equally

0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:13.200
<v Speaker 2>creepy in some respects in black and white. But the color, ooh,

0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:14.200
<v Speaker 2>it really makes it work.

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:18.600
<v Speaker 3>I agree, and especially because it's such an unnatural color schema.

0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:19.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:21.439
<v Speaker 3>But by the way, if you want more information on

0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:25.000
<v Speaker 3>the two color process, the George Eastman Museum has a

0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:27.359
<v Speaker 3>video I found. You can find it on YouTube that

0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:31.080
<v Speaker 3>explains the technical details of the process. And one of

0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:35.000
<v Speaker 3>the things that video points out is that the physical

0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:38.240
<v Speaker 3>characteristics of the two color film made it especially prone

0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:41.080
<v Speaker 3>to scratching. And as soon as I saw that, I

0:25:41.119 --> 0:25:43.760
<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, yep, because Doctor X, at least the

0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:47.920
<v Speaker 3>version that I streamed is full of scratches, long lines

0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:50.640
<v Speaker 3>running vertically across the frame for whole scenes.

0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:53.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Same here. I streamed it through iTunes, I believe,

0:25:53.800 --> 0:25:57.680
<v Speaker 2>and same situation. But I like it. I like seeing

0:25:57.720 --> 0:25:59.720
<v Speaker 2>those flaws in it, you know, especially for a film

0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:00.439
<v Speaker 2>from this period.

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<v Speaker 3>Totally. Okay, Well, are you ready to get into the

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:12.280
<v Speaker 3>full plot breakdown?

0:26:12.720 --> 0:26:14.240
<v Speaker 2>Let's do it all right.

0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:17.600
<v Speaker 3>So we start with titling credits, and then we open

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:21.840
<v Speaker 3>on a kind of seedy wharf. There's a tug boat

0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:25.119
<v Speaker 3>floating in the background, and a policeman strolls by whistling

0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:27.600
<v Speaker 3>in the dark, and it's revealed that we're out in

0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 3>front of a building with a sign that reads the

0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:33.159
<v Speaker 3>Mott Street Morgue. And then there's a man in a

0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:36.360
<v Speaker 3>long coat and a fedora skulking around outside. He's kind

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:40.080
<v Speaker 3>of hiding behind some barrels. He's smoking a cigarette. Then

0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:42.040
<v Speaker 3>he looks up at the sky and sees a full

0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:45.240
<v Speaker 3>moon and I think burns himself with his cigarette match

0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:47.840
<v Speaker 3>and he says, are you bad luck? I guess talking

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:50.840
<v Speaker 3>to the moon. And it turns out that this is

0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:54.320
<v Speaker 3>our hero in a way. Lee Taylor played by Lee Tracy,

0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:57.679
<v Speaker 3>the crime reporter, and bad luck is sort of his

0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:01.679
<v Speaker 3>catch phrase. He says it like eight times. And he

0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:04.640
<v Speaker 3>is down here at the Mott Street Morgue because he's

0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:08.000
<v Speaker 3>trying to chase down a grizzly lead. There have been

0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:11.640
<v Speaker 3>a string of horrifying murders in the city in recent months.

0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:13.160
<v Speaker 3>I think it's supposed to be in New York City.

0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:16.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm not quite sure. But was that the impression you got.

0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 2>I just got a sense of it being the city,

0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:22.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, the sort of eternal, cinematic city that could

0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:26.240
<v Speaker 2>be any major metropolis of the day. It's dark city. Yeah,

0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 2>basically basically dark city.

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:32.119
<v Speaker 3>But so these murderers apparently all take place on the

0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:34.600
<v Speaker 3>night of the full moon, and there's a full moon tonight.

0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:38.680
<v Speaker 3>So while he's hanging out outside the morgue, authorities are

0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 3>bringing a body in and Taylor thinks it might be

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:46.200
<v Speaker 3>another victim of the dreaded moon killer. Now there's an

0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:48.560
<v Speaker 3>entourage that goes into the morgue. It's a bunch of

0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:50.800
<v Speaker 3>cops and then it's this one guy in a coat

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:54.439
<v Speaker 3>with super silky fur lapels and I think that's doctor

0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:56.960
<v Speaker 3>X that's going in there. But it's funny because he's

0:27:57.040 --> 0:28:00.080
<v Speaker 3>folding these fur lapels under his chin while he's entering

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:02.560
<v Speaker 3>the building, and he looks like Cruella Deville.

0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:06.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they all have a very suspicious, villainous look to them.

0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So Taylor tries to get into the morgue, but

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:11.360
<v Speaker 3>they won't let him in, and then he goes down

0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:13.879
<v Speaker 3>the street, apparently to a brothel. I think that's what

0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:14.639
<v Speaker 3>that's supposed to be.

0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:17.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think. So where he eases the telephone.

0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:20.360
<v Speaker 3>He makes a phone call to the night desk at

0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:23.320
<v Speaker 3>his paper, The Daily World, and he's out here complaining.

0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:25.840
<v Speaker 3>He's like, I can't get any dope. And the guy

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:28.720
<v Speaker 3>at the night desk is not very interested. And then

0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:32.000
<v Speaker 3>he says to the to the editor here, he goes, listen,

0:28:32.040 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 3>you lunkhead, I'm not clowning. Look out the window, will you.

0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:37.120
<v Speaker 3>And so the guy at the night desk looks out

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:41.080
<v Speaker 3>the window and it's a full moon and oh, I think.

0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 3>Then he gets it. He thinks, oh, it may be

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:47.280
<v Speaker 3>another moonkiller murder. And so the night desk editor is

0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:49.400
<v Speaker 3>impressed by this and he's like, okay, see what you

0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:52.840
<v Speaker 3>can dig up. And so then Lee Taylor goes around

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:54.959
<v Speaker 3>trying to get some leads. He tries to chat up

0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:57.080
<v Speaker 3>a beat cop to see if he can get any info,

0:28:57.680 --> 0:29:00.880
<v Speaker 3>and in the course of their conversation is, as we

0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:03.480
<v Speaker 3>said earlier, revealed to be kind of a prankster because

0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:06.000
<v Speaker 3>he zaps the cop with a hand buzzer.

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Not a good idea, No, I mean, luckily, this this

0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:13.520
<v Speaker 2>cop is like the roundest This is the softest cop

0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:16.120
<v Speaker 2>you've ever seen. In your life in this picture. He's

0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 2>a sweetheart.

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and even he get and after they're chatting, he

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 3>gives Taylor a cigar. He's like, here, some guy gave

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:27.040
<v Speaker 3>me this. You know you can have it. I think

0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:29.240
<v Speaker 3>maybe Taylor asked him for a smoke or something, but

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:31.600
<v Speaker 3>he gives him the scar and then we cut to

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:34.360
<v Speaker 3>inside the morgue and then things start getting really interesting

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:37.200
<v Speaker 3>because here is an autopsy scene and Rob, I know

0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 3>you love a good autopsy scene.

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:41.080
<v Speaker 2>I do, and yeah, this one kicks it off right.

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:46.560
<v Speaker 3>So doctor Xavier. Doctor Xavier is examining the victim's body

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:49.320
<v Speaker 3>while the police detectives look on, and there's this great

0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:52.960
<v Speaker 3>shot of the doctor silhouette behind a raised shroud. So

0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 3>they're lifting it up off the body and you just

0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 3>see him as a shadow operating behind it, but with

0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:00.800
<v Speaker 3>his reflector on top of his head and everything is

0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it looks kind of like horns or something.

0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 3>And so the police ask him what's your theory, doctor,

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:12.479
<v Speaker 3>and he says it's strangulation by terrifically powerful hands. And

0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 3>then they ask him about, well, what do you think

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:17.880
<v Speaker 3>of this incision at the base of the brain, and

0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 3>Doctor x says, obviously made by some type of scwlpel

0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:26.600
<v Speaker 3>used for brain dissecting. The word scwlpel is said like

0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 3>that multiple times. So that's already shocking. Right strangulation and

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:33.400
<v Speaker 3>an incision at the base of the brain whatever that's

0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:36.560
<v Speaker 3>supposed to mean. Uh, but then you know, here we

0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:40.560
<v Speaker 3>get a but wait, there's more moment. The left deltoid

0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:44.600
<v Speaker 3>muscle is missing from the victim, and one of the

0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:47.920
<v Speaker 3>cops asks, uh, it was torn right out, and doctor

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:53.320
<v Speaker 3>X says it wasn't torn gentlemen, this is cannibalism. I

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 3>don't know how can he tell that.

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Like were He doesn't say that their teeth marks or

0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:01.880
<v Speaker 2>that it looks like it was chew out. He doesn't

0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:04.360
<v Speaker 2>go into detail and say, well, this is a traditional

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 2>like butchering cut or something like. Nope, I just can

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:11.760
<v Speaker 2>tell this is cannibalism. And it's firmly established and not questioned.

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 3>It's the chuck portion of the human. Yeah. But so okay,

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:20.960
<v Speaker 3>here we establish the moonkiller's mo strangulation by terrifically powerful hands,

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:24.120
<v Speaker 3>incision by scalpel at the base of the brain, and

0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:27.920
<v Speaker 3>then eating the victim's left shoulder. And it makes me

0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 3>think this is a really overachieving serial killer, like they're

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:31.840
<v Speaker 3>trying to get extra credit.

0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:34.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it stands out, you know, It's like I'm

0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 2>instantly I watched this and I hear this, and I

0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:40.200
<v Speaker 2>think to myself, well, I haven't come across this exact

0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:43.080
<v Speaker 2>combination before. We're in fresh territory with this picture.

0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:46.280
<v Speaker 3>I agree. So they say this is the sixth the

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 3>murder in a row, all committed during a full moon

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 3>by means of strangulation and incision with a strange surgical knife.

0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:56.360
<v Speaker 3>So why is the killer doing this? The police want

0:31:56.400 --> 0:32:00.120
<v Speaker 3>to know, and then Doctor X gets into some brilliant speculation.

0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:03.840
<v Speaker 3>He says the killer is quote a neurotic, of course,

0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 3>some poor devil suffering from a fixation, a knot or

0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:11.880
<v Speaker 3>kink tied in the brain from some past experience. And

0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:14.880
<v Speaker 3>then he says that about of madness comes on for

0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:18.160
<v Speaker 3>the killer whenever he's confronted with a vivid reminder of

0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:22.800
<v Speaker 3>the past. And the policeman is skeptical, but doctor X insists.

0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:26.560
<v Speaker 3>He says, I tell you that locked in each human

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:31.040
<v Speaker 3>skull is a little world all its own. And so

0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:33.440
<v Speaker 3>the police want to know, well, what's the reminder, what's

0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:37.040
<v Speaker 3>the thing that's triggering the killer to do this, and

0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 3>Doctor X says, he says it could be anything, the

0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:42.400
<v Speaker 3>side of the sea, the full moon. Every time he

0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:45.520
<v Speaker 3>sees it, he's forced to relive the original moment that

0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 3>drove him mad.

0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 2>Now this is great too, because we learned that this

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:54.240
<v Speaker 2>is doctor X's specialty, this is his area of study,

0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:59.440
<v Speaker 2>and so of course this is tied into his hypothesis

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 2>for the murder. It's the same way. You know, if

0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Terence mckinna had been called upon to inspect these murders,

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:09.000
<v Speaker 2>he would have said, m I believe it probably had

0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:11.320
<v Speaker 2>something to do with psychedelic mushrooms.

0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:16.280
<v Speaker 3>Yep, yep, yep, yep. Very good comparison. So anyway, Doctor

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:19.040
<v Speaker 3>X has given his professional opinion. He's about to leave,

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 3>but then the police flip the script on him. Turns

0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 3>out they were sort of entrapping him here. All of

0:33:25.560 --> 0:33:29.080
<v Speaker 3>the murders they reveal have taken place just in the

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:33.480
<v Speaker 3>vicinity of his medical academy. And what's more, the strange

0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:36.600
<v Speaker 3>incisions made on the victims at the base of the

0:33:36.600 --> 0:33:41.440
<v Speaker 3>brain have been traced to a special Austrian scalpel that

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:45.800
<v Speaker 3>is only in the possession of doctor Xavier's facilities. So

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 3>the medical supply companies confirm that no one else in

0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:51.920
<v Speaker 3>the country has a knife like this seems like it

0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:54.040
<v Speaker 3>would be hard to determine that, but that's what they say.

0:33:54.600 --> 0:33:59.960
<v Speaker 3>And at first doctor Xavier is indignant and offended. He's

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:04.240
<v Speaker 3>as his students and faculty are exclusively of the highest integrity.

0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:06.600
<v Speaker 3>This is impossible, yeah, soga.

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:11.840
<v Speaker 2>So again we find out that the murder is definitely

0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:15.120
<v Speaker 2>somebody at the academy. But then as we begin to

0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:18.480
<v Speaker 2>meet the members of the academy, we will learn and

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:22.480
<v Speaker 2>we'll get into details here everybody is highly suspect and

0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:26.680
<v Speaker 2>has ties to cannibalism or the study of cannibalism or

0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:30.000
<v Speaker 2>some other elements. So it's wonderfully put together, like you

0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:33.480
<v Speaker 2>can imagine a spreadsheet and you're like, okay, everybody checks

0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:36.919
<v Speaker 2>off like two things on this list. There's no real

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:38.319
<v Speaker 2>standout candidate here.

0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:41.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like you imagine hiring at this medical academy.

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:44.400
<v Speaker 3>It involves like, you know, must have five years of experience,

0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:50.880
<v Speaker 3>must have eaten a human. But so Professor x offers

0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:54.760
<v Speaker 3>a compromise. He says, look, don't you investigate the people

0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 3>in my academy. Let me investigate my academy in my

0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:02.200
<v Speaker 3>own way, and the detectives want to know. Then they're like, well,

0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:04.680
<v Speaker 3>how would you catch the killer? And then I had

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:07.480
<v Speaker 3>to write down Doctor X's response because I thought it

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:11.960
<v Speaker 3>was great. He says, by immediately studying the pathological reactions

0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:16.400
<v Speaker 3>of every man placed under suspicion, then trap the guilty

0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:18.680
<v Speaker 3>one by a brain examination.

0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Science.

0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:26.200
<v Speaker 3>Oh, there is so much science exclamation point in this movie.

0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:32.120
<v Speaker 3>There is an awful lot of very funny and plausible

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:35.799
<v Speaker 3>technobabble and scientific words being used in a context that

0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:36.680
<v Speaker 3>makes no sense.

0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:40.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. If you watch this film, I advise you to

0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:42.960
<v Speaker 2>not try to think too hard about anything science ye

0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:45.960
<v Speaker 2>that any characters say, because none of it really adds

0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:47.520
<v Speaker 2>up it. It will just hurt your brain if you

0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:48.440
<v Speaker 2>try and make sense of it.

0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:53.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So, anyway, doctor X and the detectives agree. You know,

0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:56.920
<v Speaker 3>Doctor X will investigate the people in his academy on

0:35:56.960 --> 0:36:00.279
<v Speaker 3>his own. There will be no publicity, the press cannot no.

0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:03.520
<v Speaker 3>And then after they leave the room, one of the

0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:06.920
<v Speaker 3>sheet draped corpses in the morgue suddenly sits up. Is

0:36:06.960 --> 0:36:09.439
<v Speaker 3>it someone who has risen from the dead? No, it's

0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:13.200
<v Speaker 3>old Lee Taylor the fast talking reporter. He's been snooping

0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:16.000
<v Speaker 3>disguised as a cadaver. He's even got a little tag

0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:16.680
<v Speaker 3>on his toe.

0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:20.000
<v Speaker 2>He's just so scrappy he can't keep him away from

0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:20.440
<v Speaker 2>the story.

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:21.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:23.359
<v Speaker 2>Now, I have to say I think this is all

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:26.880
<v Speaker 2>pretty fun set up with the whole situation where Xavier

0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:29.440
<v Speaker 2>is given the chance to solve this internally before the

0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:33.760
<v Speaker 2>authorities move in. Because, weirdly, having just watched the latest

0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:36.840
<v Speaker 2>TV adaptation of the Name of the Rose, this is

0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:40.600
<v Speaker 2>essentially the same predicament that Brother William finds himself in

0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:42.400
<v Speaker 2>in the Name of the Rose. Solve the murders and

0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:46.680
<v Speaker 2>the abbey internally before the papal inquisitor Bernardo Gui shows

0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:49.520
<v Speaker 2>up and makes a bigger to do out of everything.

0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:53.400
<v Speaker 3>Right right now, I will say Doctor xis no William

0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:57.160
<v Speaker 3>of Askerville, but he's I don't know, he's a clever

0:36:57.280 --> 0:37:01.600
<v Speaker 3>guy though he If I have any major criticism of

0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 3>Doctor X, it is that Doctor X is far too trusting.

0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:08.360
<v Speaker 3>I mean, just like every like creep and weirdo he

0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:11.319
<v Speaker 3>comes across, He's like he couldn't possibly have done anything bad.

0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:15.719
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he ate human flesh once twice tops, but he

0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:17.759
<v Speaker 2>has a good heart. I trust him completely. He writes

0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:19.320
<v Speaker 2>poetry in his spare time for gossip.

0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:21.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that actually happens, so we'll get to that. So

0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:26.880
<v Speaker 3>so we follow Xavier and the detective. I'm sorry I

0:37:27.000 --> 0:37:29.239
<v Speaker 3>keep saying in different ways. I'll just say doctor X

0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:31.839
<v Speaker 3>the rest of the time. I'll probably fail at that too.

0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:34.600
<v Speaker 3>But we follow doctor X and the detectives to his

0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:38.400
<v Speaker 3>surgical academy and we begin to meet the other characters. Now,

0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:43.280
<v Speaker 3>first we meet Joanne or Joan characters call her both names,

0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:47.880
<v Speaker 3>and she is doctor X's daughter. This is Fey Ray here. Yeah,

0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:50.040
<v Speaker 3>but she doesn't appear to be a suspect. So the

0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:52.920
<v Speaker 3>police are interested in meeting some of the suspects and

0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:56.280
<v Speaker 3>they want to interview these other faculty members. So first

0:37:56.320 --> 0:37:59.799
<v Speaker 3>up is doctor Wells, and it just happens to turn

0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:02.680
<v Speaker 3>out Doctor X mentions, oh, well, he is a student

0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:07.120
<v Speaker 3>of cannibalism. He's written a book about cannibalism, and this

0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:09.600
<v Speaker 3>gets the attention of the police. And then when they

0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:12.880
<v Speaker 3>go to interview him, he's hunched over a lab table

0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:16.520
<v Speaker 3>with a jar containing a beating heart, and then he

0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:19.359
<v Speaker 3>claims that he has kept this heart alive for three

0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:23.399
<v Speaker 3>years through the power of electrolysis. I do not think

0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:25.680
<v Speaker 3>that is a correct use of the word whatever they

0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:28.640
<v Speaker 3>had in mind. I think electrolysis is the decomposition of

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 3>chemical compounds by the application of electric current. I'm not

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:34.000
<v Speaker 3>sure how that would keep a heart alive.

0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:38.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, again, don't think too much about anything sciency that's

0:38:38.440 --> 0:38:39.320
<v Speaker 2>brought up in this film.

0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:40.600
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I apologize.

0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:43.319
<v Speaker 2>It's generally said in a very nice British accent, so

0:38:43.440 --> 0:38:44.040
<v Speaker 2>just accept it.

0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:49.000
<v Speaker 3>I gotta say, in a weird way, like doctor Wells

0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:51.600
<v Speaker 3>has a creepy vibe, but he's also kind of a hunk,

0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:54.640
<v Speaker 3>Like he's got wild hair and a five o'clock shadow

0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:58.239
<v Speaker 3>and kind of a deep voice. And I don't know

0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:00.759
<v Speaker 3>if this is ever remarked upon it again, I'm not

0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:03.280
<v Speaker 3>sure what this meant. But there's a pair of boots

0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:05.759
<v Speaker 3>in the corner of the room that are bubbling as

0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:08.200
<v Speaker 3>if they have been dipped in toxic goop, and the

0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:10.879
<v Speaker 3>detectives just gonna look at them and notice them.

0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:13.319
<v Speaker 2>And then I don't work on a radiator. They're on

0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:16.759
<v Speaker 2>a radiator. Oh yeah, So I couldn't figure out it

0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:19.200
<v Speaker 2>was like, are their boots melting on the radiator? I

0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:20.399
<v Speaker 2>wasn't sure what was happening there.

0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:22.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't think that ever came up again, or

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:24.440
<v Speaker 3>if it did, I didn't notice it.

0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:25.480
<v Speaker 2>But it looked nice.

0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:28.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it looked nice. But anyway, it is soon revealed

0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:31.600
<v Speaker 3>that Wells could not possibly be the murderer because remember,

0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 3>the murderer strangles with two ferociously powerful hands, and in fact,

0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:39.399
<v Speaker 3>Wells is an amputee and he wears a prosthetic left hand,

0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:43.360
<v Speaker 3>so he is not capable of having performed the murderers,

0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:45.720
<v Speaker 3>so the police exclude him at the beginning.

0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Luckily, though, there is an entire faculty of really suspicious

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:52.240
<v Speaker 2>characters to turn to. Next.

0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:55.160
<v Speaker 3>Right next, we meet this guy named Haynes. The police

0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:58.080
<v Speaker 3>want to know something about him, and so they ask

0:39:58.360 --> 0:40:01.520
<v Speaker 3>doctor X. Yeah, tell us about this Haynes and doctor X,

0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:05.520
<v Speaker 3>I just have to reproduce this speech he says. Doctor

0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 3>Haynes and two other scientists were shipwrecked off Tahiti about

0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:11.120
<v Speaker 3>a year ago while making a study of the coral

0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:14.680
<v Speaker 3>reefs for the Killery Foundation. They were adrift for twenty

0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:18.200
<v Speaker 3>four days. Their supplies were exhausted. When they were picked up,

0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:22.000
<v Speaker 3>Haines and one other were delirious. The third had vanished.

0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:25.480
<v Speaker 3>There was no explanation at the time. Haines later claimed

0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:27.600
<v Speaker 3>at the time that the man had died and had

0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:32.160
<v Speaker 3>been thrown overboard. So again, it's like, it's as if

0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:35.920
<v Speaker 3>this surgical college only hires people who have been suspected

0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:41.320
<v Speaker 3>of cannibalism. But doctor X says, you know, he's sure

0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:44.840
<v Speaker 3>that Haines cannot be the guilty party because this is

0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:49.040
<v Speaker 3>his reasoning. One the killer is a maniac, and two

0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:51.360
<v Speaker 3>doctor Haynes is one of the most brilliant men in

0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:55.440
<v Speaker 3>the medical world, So see it's impossible. So they go

0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:58.520
<v Speaker 3>to meet doctor Haynes, who is experimenting with new procedures

0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:01.439
<v Speaker 3>in what he calls brain growd. I tried to look

0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 3>that up to see if that's really a thing, and no,

0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:05.680
<v Speaker 3>I think that would just mean like a brain transplant,

0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:07.280
<v Speaker 3>which has never been performed in humans.

0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:12.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it sounds plenty suspicious, Like he definitely has

0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:16.439
<v Speaker 2>his toes in the Mad Science sure, as as does

0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Wells with the beating heart.

0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:21.799
<v Speaker 3>How would you characterize Haines's personality. I would say that

0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:25.840
<v Speaker 3>he is he is paranoid, like he is not pleased

0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:28.399
<v Speaker 3>to have the police in his lab. And while they're

0:41:28.440 --> 0:41:31.320
<v Speaker 3>poking around, they find a kind of I didn't couldn't

0:41:31.320 --> 0:41:33.000
<v Speaker 3>tell exactly what it was. It looked like they found

0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:36.120
<v Speaker 3>a kind of Riske magazine among his things. It's like

0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:40.279
<v Speaker 3>Ankles Quarterly. And in the police's eyes, this seemed to

0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:43.000
<v Speaker 3>implicate him for some reason. It's like, Oh, this guy

0:41:43.200 --> 0:41:47.160
<v Speaker 3>likes you know, risky magazines. You know who else does moonkillers?

0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:51.160
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so another strong candidate. But there are more.

0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:53.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and we're about to get to maybe my favorite

0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:57.760
<v Speaker 3>guy in the movie. So next up we meet doctor

0:41:57.960 --> 0:41:59.600
<v Speaker 3>Rowitz and doctor Duke.

0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:00.319
<v Speaker 2>Now.

0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:03.960
<v Speaker 3>Rowitz is a tall, ominous man in a white lab

0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:06.359
<v Speaker 3>coat with what I at first thought was an eye patch,

0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:08.400
<v Speaker 3>but actually I think it is more like a dark

0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:12.400
<v Speaker 3>tinted monocle. So it's like sunglasses, but only one side

0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:15.120
<v Speaker 3>of them. And he when they first meet him, he's

0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:18.200
<v Speaker 3>smoking a cigarette and leaning over a globe, and we

0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 3>find out that he studies the moon and is obsessed

0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:24.320
<v Speaker 3>with the effects of lunar rays on neurotic types.

0:42:24.760 --> 0:42:27.759
<v Speaker 2>See, it's like a board game. This picture. I love

0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:30.640
<v Speaker 2>it how all of them have these just highly suspicious elements.

0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:33.319
<v Speaker 2>They're not just a little suspicious, They're all very suspicious.

0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:36.080
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and I gotta say doctor Rhotz is a god.

0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:39.000
<v Speaker 3>I love Doctor Rhods. He's like, I want to be

0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:39.799
<v Speaker 3>buds with him.

0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's great, though in a way he's he's almost

0:42:43.000 --> 0:42:45.360
<v Speaker 2>too suspicious. You like, you kind of get the idea

0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:48.440
<v Speaker 2>this couldn't possibly be the guy because he has he

0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:52.920
<v Speaker 2>picked far too many items out of the villain accessory

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:53.600
<v Speaker 2>grab bag.

0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:57.279
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, I agree. But then we meet the other guy.

0:42:57.280 --> 0:43:01.200
<v Speaker 3>We meet doctor Duke, who his ma personality traits are

0:43:01.239 --> 0:43:04.800
<v Speaker 3>that he is ornery and irascible. He just complains about everything.

0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:08.720
<v Speaker 3>So he uses wheelchair and he comes into the lab

0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:12.640
<v Speaker 3>yelling at the detectives. They like ask him how he's doing,

0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:15.400
<v Speaker 3>and he yells at them for asking how he's doing.

0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:17.320
<v Speaker 3>He's just always mad about something.

0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:20.319
<v Speaker 2>There are elements of this character that remind me of

0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:23.200
<v Speaker 2>doctor Everett V. Scott in The Rocky hor Picture Show,

0:43:23.560 --> 0:43:26.200
<v Speaker 2>so I would not be surprised if there was a

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:30.080
<v Speaker 2>connection there. I have nothing to go on other than

0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:32.600
<v Speaker 2>doctor X is mentioned in the lyrics and therefore might

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:35.319
<v Speaker 2>have been in the mind of Richard O'Brien when he

0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:35.879
<v Speaker 2>wrote the thing.

0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:38.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, oh oh, And I almost forgot to mention

0:43:38.880 --> 0:43:42.160
<v Speaker 3>that we learn doctor Rowitz was also in the life

0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:44.360
<v Speaker 3>vote with doctor Haynes, so it was the two of

0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:48.920
<v Speaker 3>them and the third delicious man who disappeared and was

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:54.000
<v Speaker 3>quote thrown overboard. Though it's funny how it's like, it's

0:43:54.080 --> 0:43:57.600
<v Speaker 3>as if the rowboat story only applies to Haynes and

0:43:57.640 --> 0:44:00.080
<v Speaker 3>does not apply to Rowitz. I'm not sure why. And

0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:02.000
<v Speaker 3>though they say he was the other guy in the boat.

0:44:02.760 --> 0:44:06.640
<v Speaker 3>But they start grilling Rowits about his moon research, and

0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:10.360
<v Speaker 3>Rowitt says, if you suffer sunstroke, might you not suffer

0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:13.960
<v Speaker 3>some similar evil from the rays of the moon. And

0:44:14.080 --> 0:44:18.560
<v Speaker 3>the cop says, moonstroke you mean? And Roots says, you know,

0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:21.600
<v Speaker 3>the moon is powerful. It lifts billions of tons of

0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:24.040
<v Speaker 3>water twice a day. I guess he's talking about the tides.

0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:27.279
<v Speaker 3>And then he compares the water lifting to what is

0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:30.840
<v Speaker 3>done by an old scrub woman, which is notable to

0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:33.840
<v Speaker 3>the police because the last victim of the moonkiller was

0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:36.880
<v Speaker 3>that the papers called her an old scrub woman. I

0:44:36.920 --> 0:44:40.000
<v Speaker 3>think the paper headline you see is like old scrub

0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:41.560
<v Speaker 3>woman killed by moonkiller.

0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:44.800
<v Speaker 2>It's great, the script is just so well put together.

0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:49.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, now the police suspect Rowitz again, like every new guy.

0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:50.640
<v Speaker 3>They meet, They're like, oh, it's got to be him.

0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:55.960
<v Speaker 3>It's like that scene in Murder on the Orient Express

0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:58.920
<v Speaker 3>where like every time they interview somebody, the companion's like,

0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:02.880
<v Speaker 3>that's the one they But so the cops are like that.

0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:07.239
<v Speaker 3>But doctor X is like, no, Rowitz can't be the

0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:10.440
<v Speaker 3>murderer because here's his reasoning here. He has a lovely

0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:14.000
<v Speaker 3>nature and he's the author of several volumes of poetry.

0:45:14.160 --> 0:45:16.320
<v Speaker 3>I mean, who's ever heard of a poet killing somebody?

0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that doesn't seem very logical. So this is this

0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:22.440
<v Speaker 2>is definitely an area where he's falling below the Sherlock

0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:25.080
<v Speaker 2>and brother William threshold.

0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:27.440
<v Speaker 3>I would agree. So it looks like we've met our

0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:31.120
<v Speaker 3>suspects and the mystery investigation is afoot, and doctor X

0:45:31.160 --> 0:45:34.640
<v Speaker 3>promises that he will complete this investigation within forty eight hours.

0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:38.320
<v Speaker 3>And then meanwhile, you get some side story with Taylor

0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:42.400
<v Speaker 3>the newspaperman and Faye Ray meeting up. When she catches

0:45:42.480 --> 0:45:46.719
<v Speaker 3>him snooping around on the fire escape outside the medical academy.

0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:50.320
<v Speaker 3>She confronts him and then shoves a revolver in his belly.

0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:53.239
<v Speaker 3>He tries to get some facts out of her, but

0:45:53.320 --> 0:45:54.440
<v Speaker 3>she rebuffs him.

0:45:55.880 --> 0:45:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Joan n.

0:45:56.360 --> 0:45:59.160
<v Speaker 3>Xavier clearly wants nothing to do with mister hot Scoop,

0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:01.719
<v Speaker 3>Like he think he's very cool and he thinks he

0:46:01.760 --> 0:46:04.440
<v Speaker 3>can sweet talk her, but she just wants none of it.

0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Right, And she's more concerned about her father because he

0:46:07.040 --> 0:46:07.960
<v Speaker 2>seems overworked.

0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:11.520
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yes, she's concerned about his health that she says

0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:14.600
<v Speaker 3>several times. I think just because he never gets any rest.

0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:17.000
<v Speaker 3>There's also I guess we could just throw in a

0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:19.920
<v Speaker 3>we meet more creeps. The movie's just crawling with creeps.

0:46:19.960 --> 0:46:21.840
<v Speaker 3>There's a scene where we meet this guy named Otto

0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:26.759
<v Speaker 3>who is Xavier's butler, and he's just another one of

0:46:26.800 --> 0:46:29.400
<v Speaker 3>these ominous weirdos to round out the cast.

0:46:29.719 --> 0:46:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, again, just a great cast of character actors

0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:33.320
<v Speaker 2>in this film.

0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:37.120
<v Speaker 3>So then we get a scene that goes by pretty quickly,

0:46:37.160 --> 0:46:39.200
<v Speaker 3>but I thought it was pretty good. So Taylor the

0:46:39.520 --> 0:46:42.040
<v Speaker 3>reporter goes off to kind of kick rocks in the

0:46:42.080 --> 0:46:44.759
<v Speaker 3>alley like he's upset because he's he can't get any

0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:47.440
<v Speaker 3>good leads and he's moping around about his failure to

0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:50.719
<v Speaker 3>crack the case. And then we get a very disturbing

0:46:50.840 --> 0:46:55.600
<v Speaker 3>moment of suspense because behind Taylor's back, we see emerge

0:46:55.640 --> 0:47:00.400
<v Speaker 3>a grotesque figure in a hooded cape with a drooping, agging,

0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:05.160
<v Speaker 3>almost melted sort of face, and it approaches Taylor from

0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:09.080
<v Speaker 3>behind to strangle him just as he's lighting a cigar,

0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:12.120
<v Speaker 3>the cigar that he received as a gift from his

0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:15.359
<v Speaker 3>cop friend earlier. And just as the creature is about

0:47:15.400 --> 0:47:18.640
<v Speaker 3>to grasp his neck, you get this pop and it's

0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:21.719
<v Speaker 3>a trick cigar. It explodes, scaring away the Moonkiller in

0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:24.800
<v Speaker 3>the process, and Taylor never knows his life was saved

0:47:24.800 --> 0:47:25.400
<v Speaker 3>by a prank.

0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:28.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a great little scene because it's suspenseful. It

0:47:28.320 --> 0:47:33.480
<v Speaker 2>gives us our first very effective glimpse at the murderer,

0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:37.680
<v Speaker 2>the monster in this film. But then also it redeems

0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:40.839
<v Speaker 2>that whole ridiculous scene with the cop earlier. Again. This

0:47:41.640 --> 0:47:44.720
<v Speaker 2>at first glance, this script might seem kind of schlocky,

0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:48.080
<v Speaker 2>but it's so economical in the way everything ties together,

0:47:48.200 --> 0:47:49.440
<v Speaker 2>like everything has a purpose.

0:47:49.640 --> 0:47:53.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it is very tight. So Taylor keeps snooping. He

0:47:53.480 --> 0:47:57.480
<v Speaker 3>goes by Xavier's house and meets a gullible maid named Mami,

0:47:57.600 --> 0:48:00.440
<v Speaker 3>who lets him inside, and he tries to deal a

0:48:00.440 --> 0:48:03.160
<v Speaker 3>photo of doctor x and a photo of Fey Ray

0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:06.279
<v Speaker 3>and she catches him in the act and chews him

0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:09.879
<v Speaker 3>out for writing a negative story about them and throws

0:48:09.920 --> 0:48:12.960
<v Speaker 3>him out of the house. And then after this we

0:48:13.000 --> 0:48:15.800
<v Speaker 3>get a shift. The action retreats to a new location,

0:48:16.560 --> 0:48:20.880
<v Speaker 3>so everything moves to Doctor X's country estate on Long Island,

0:48:21.280 --> 0:48:24.320
<v Speaker 3>and he gathers all the various creeps from the academy

0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:27.920
<v Speaker 3>there and he informs them that he has to perform

0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:31.080
<v Speaker 3>an experiment to determine whether any of them is guilty

0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:34.879
<v Speaker 3>of murder. And I don't recall it being established how

0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:37.160
<v Speaker 3>he figures out to go here, but mister hot Scoop

0:48:37.239 --> 0:48:41.000
<v Speaker 3>also shows up. Our reporter hero finds his way out

0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:43.640
<v Speaker 3>to the estate. He climbs up a drain pipe and

0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:46.760
<v Speaker 3>sort of breaks into the house to continue snooping around

0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:50.920
<v Speaker 3>and trespassing as the plot develops. And here there is

0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:56.520
<v Speaker 3>a scene where I think, basically anybody will recognize the

0:48:56.560 --> 0:49:00.440
<v Speaker 3>following sequence that goes on with the reporter because it's

0:49:00.520 --> 0:49:03.600
<v Speaker 3>recreated so many times in other movies and TV shows,

0:49:04.040 --> 0:49:07.240
<v Speaker 3>where a character is nervously sneaking around in the dark

0:49:07.600 --> 0:49:11.160
<v Speaker 3>and then is startled by a string of loud noises

0:49:11.360 --> 0:49:14.400
<v Speaker 3>but all caused by inanimate objects like an ironing board

0:49:14.440 --> 0:49:17.720
<v Speaker 3>falls out of the wall, then a cuckoo clock starts chiming,

0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:21.560
<v Speaker 3>and then Otto the butler walks by carrying a skeleton

0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:24.480
<v Speaker 3>for some reason. For the next ten minutes or so,

0:49:24.640 --> 0:49:28.560
<v Speaker 3>there is a lot of Lee Tracy making wise cracks

0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:31.840
<v Speaker 3>at inanimate objects, like telling a skeleton to cut it

0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:32.360
<v Speaker 3>out will.

0:49:32.280 --> 0:49:36.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah. It gets very stoogy there for a minute.

0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:38.480
<v Speaker 3>But anyway, this is all working up to one of

0:49:38.520 --> 0:49:41.640
<v Speaker 3>the big set pieces of the film, which is doctor

0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:46.280
<v Speaker 3>X's experiment to determine who the killer is. I guess

0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:48.600
<v Speaker 3>how would it be best to set this up and

0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:49.200
<v Speaker 3>describe it?

0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:52.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, I would summarize by saying, this is basically sci

0:49:52.719 --> 0:49:55.799
<v Speaker 2>fi Shakespeare, This is Hamlet, this is the play is

0:49:55.840 --> 0:49:59.440
<v Speaker 2>the thing, right, because that's essentially what the whole scheme is.

0:49:59.440 --> 0:50:01.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to show owes something to them, and then

0:50:01.719 --> 0:50:03.520
<v Speaker 2>based on their reactions, I will know.

0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:06.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Like if like if you were hooking the king

0:50:07.080 --> 0:50:10.200
<v Speaker 3>up to an electrode and a machine that would read

0:50:10.320 --> 0:50:13.160
<v Speaker 3>his guilt as he watches the play, yeah.

0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And if it were elaborate, it took some explaining

0:50:16.960 --> 0:50:19.360
<v Speaker 2>and had lots of tubes and liquids.

0:50:19.719 --> 0:50:22.439
<v Speaker 3>Right, So at this point it seems like the three

0:50:22.480 --> 0:50:26.400
<v Speaker 3>main suspects are Rowits, Haines, and Duke, and they are

0:50:26.440 --> 0:50:29.680
<v Speaker 3>strapped to electrical detectors that are supposed to measure their

0:50:29.719 --> 0:50:34.080
<v Speaker 3>heart rate. Maybe there is just some magnificent technobabble about

0:50:34.080 --> 0:50:37.840
<v Speaker 3>how the machine works. For some reason, it will measure

0:50:38.920 --> 0:50:42.920
<v Speaker 3>the person in the machine for a history of cannibalism.

0:50:43.320 --> 0:50:45.359
<v Speaker 3>And all three of them are going to go into

0:50:45.400 --> 0:50:47.360
<v Speaker 3>the they're going to get hooked up to the machine.

0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:51.280
<v Speaker 3>And since doctor Wells could not be the killer because

0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:54.440
<v Speaker 3>he does not have the two ferociously strong hands necessary

0:50:54.480 --> 0:50:58.440
<v Speaker 3>for the strangulation, he helps Doctor X administer the test

0:50:58.520 --> 0:51:01.120
<v Speaker 3>on the three others. And there's this great part where

0:51:01.160 --> 0:51:04.000
<v Speaker 3>doctor Duke complains about being able to see the moon

0:51:04.120 --> 0:51:07.000
<v Speaker 3>through the window. He's like, close the shutters, it's giving

0:51:07.040 --> 0:51:07.680
<v Speaker 3>me a shiver.

0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:11.919
<v Speaker 2>And again, it's wonderful they keep the potential guilt, that's

0:51:11.920 --> 0:51:15.360
<v Speaker 2>a suspicion just leveled out among all the candidates.

0:51:15.480 --> 0:51:18.719
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, well, And so they've got different attitudes, Like

0:51:18.960 --> 0:51:22.120
<v Speaker 3>doctor Duke is complaining just because he's always complaining. He's

0:51:22.160 --> 0:51:26.040
<v Speaker 3>just always mad about something. Doctor Haynes again is quite paranoid.

0:51:26.080 --> 0:51:30.000
<v Speaker 3>He's very against the whole situation. He just feel. You

0:51:30.040 --> 0:51:32.759
<v Speaker 3>can tell he feels his privacy is being invaded and

0:51:32.800 --> 0:51:36.560
<v Speaker 3>he's nervous about something. And he says, if you ask me,

0:51:36.719 --> 0:51:39.439
<v Speaker 3>doctor is Xavier. That's how he says. At this time,

0:51:39.520 --> 0:51:44.120
<v Speaker 3>doctor Xavier is using very unethical methods. And then Rowitz,

0:51:44.120 --> 0:51:46.560
<v Speaker 3>who of everybody is the most on board with the

0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:50.840
<v Speaker 3>whole experiment, he just responds, necessity has no ethics.

0:51:51.680 --> 0:51:54.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, he's straight up like, I celebrate the chance

0:51:54.560 --> 0:51:57.760
<v Speaker 2>to prove my innocence. Bring on the ridiculous mad science.

0:51:57.960 --> 0:51:59.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I think it's great because he might as

0:51:59.920 --> 0:52:03.320
<v Speaker 3>well have just said, like, the ends justify the means.

0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:05.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:52:05.080 --> 0:52:07.120
<v Speaker 3>So the stimulus for the test, they're hooked up to

0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:10.040
<v Speaker 3>this machine that's going to test them for cannibalism via

0:52:10.080 --> 0:52:15.120
<v Speaker 3>their heart rate and test. The stimulus for the test

0:52:15.200 --> 0:52:18.279
<v Speaker 3>is going to consist of them looking at wax figures

0:52:18.800 --> 0:52:22.400
<v Speaker 3>of the victims of the Moonkiller murders. I don't recall

0:52:22.480 --> 0:52:25.560
<v Speaker 3>them explaining how these wax figures were made, where they

0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:29.120
<v Speaker 3>came from, and I beautifully created.

0:52:29.200 --> 0:52:31.160
<v Speaker 2>I must have commissioned them, yes, And I.

0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:34.040
<v Speaker 3>Think it's also it's worth noting that So this was

0:52:34.120 --> 0:52:37.799
<v Speaker 3>nineteen thirty two. Michael Curtiz, the director, also directed a

0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:40.719
<v Speaker 3>wax horror movie right around the same time that came

0:52:40.760 --> 0:52:43.280
<v Speaker 3>out in thirty three. I wonder if he was double

0:52:43.320 --> 0:52:44.719
<v Speaker 3>dipping with the prop department.

0:52:45.080 --> 0:52:47.360
<v Speaker 2>He may have. I haven't seen Mystery of the Wax

0:52:47.440 --> 0:52:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Museum from thirty three, but yeah, it was. He also

0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:53.400
<v Speaker 2>directed that. It was also in two color Technicolor. I

0:52:53.400 --> 0:52:55.120
<v Speaker 2>think these were the two of the last films that

0:52:55.160 --> 0:52:58.120
<v Speaker 2>came out in that But then it also starred at

0:52:58.120 --> 0:53:01.319
<v Speaker 2>Will and Fayray. So there you go. He was double

0:53:01.360 --> 0:53:03.120
<v Speaker 2>dipping in multiple ways, I guess.

0:53:03.120 --> 0:53:07.480
<v Speaker 3>Interesting. So there's a reenactment of the most recent murder.

0:53:07.520 --> 0:53:09.719
<v Speaker 3>So after looking at the wax figurines, there's going to

0:53:09.719 --> 0:53:11.600
<v Speaker 3>be a reenactment of the murder, and it's going to

0:53:11.640 --> 0:53:14.040
<v Speaker 3>be put on by Otto and Mami, the butler and

0:53:14.080 --> 0:53:17.839
<v Speaker 3>the maid, and this, for some reason, should reveal who

0:53:17.880 --> 0:53:21.040
<v Speaker 3>the killer is via the machine. And just as the

0:53:21.080 --> 0:53:25.399
<v Speaker 3>reenactment is about to reveal the killer, suddenly everything we get.

0:53:25.440 --> 0:53:27.240
<v Speaker 3>The lights go out, you know, there's like a power

0:53:27.280 --> 0:53:30.200
<v Speaker 3>outage and all hell breaks loosee. So a bunch of

0:53:30.200 --> 0:53:34.800
<v Speaker 3>stuff happens while the lights are out. Somebody's cannibalism detector

0:53:34.840 --> 0:53:38.920
<v Speaker 3>device goes off, and then doctor X reads it and

0:53:38.920 --> 0:53:42.520
<v Speaker 3>declares it's doctor Rowitz. But there's a twist. When the

0:53:42.600 --> 0:53:46.279
<v Speaker 3>lights come up, doctor Rowitz is dead, so Rowitz has

0:53:46.280 --> 0:53:50.240
<v Speaker 3>been murdered. And also suddenly doctor Duke can walk again.

0:53:50.640 --> 0:53:55.000
<v Speaker 3>He's up walking around and doctor Haines points him out

0:53:55.040 --> 0:53:59.120
<v Speaker 3>and he's like faker, faker. And then we also find

0:53:59.160 --> 0:54:02.880
<v Speaker 3>out doctor Well, who was helping administer the experiment, has

0:54:02.920 --> 0:54:05.200
<v Speaker 3>been struck on the head by somebody in the dark

0:54:05.239 --> 0:54:08.560
<v Speaker 3>who called his name and then hit him. And there's

0:54:08.600 --> 0:54:12.040
<v Speaker 3>this part where fey Ray quite rightly observes that this

0:54:12.160 --> 0:54:15.440
<v Speaker 3>experiment was a disaster. And then everybody's just like, nah,

0:54:15.640 --> 0:54:21.000
<v Speaker 3>chill out, calm down, you know, they're basically just like,

0:54:21.000 --> 0:54:23.320
<v Speaker 3>don't worry about it. You know, you go get some rest,

0:54:23.440 --> 0:54:27.000
<v Speaker 3>we'll deal with this dead body and everything. Oh and

0:54:27.040 --> 0:54:29.560
<v Speaker 3>then other like a bunch of stuff happens all at once.

0:54:29.600 --> 0:54:33.279
<v Speaker 3>So in the while all this is happening, Taylor, who

0:54:33.320 --> 0:54:37.000
<v Speaker 3>is hiding out in the closet, snooping around, he gets gassed,

0:54:37.120 --> 0:54:40.000
<v Speaker 3>like somebody pumps some smoke into the closet with him

0:54:40.400 --> 0:54:42.759
<v Speaker 3>and it knocks him unconscious, and you don't know who

0:54:42.800 --> 0:54:46.000
<v Speaker 3>did it, and then they discover him unconscious in the closet,

0:54:46.520 --> 0:54:48.640
<v Speaker 3>but they decide to let him stay for the night

0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:51.600
<v Speaker 3>at the manor. I'm not sure why that is, uh,

0:54:51.640 --> 0:54:55.680
<v Speaker 3>But after that follows some incredibly implausible flirting between mister

0:54:55.719 --> 0:54:59.520
<v Speaker 3>hot Scoop and fay Ray. Suddenly she's just responding to

0:54:59.520 --> 0:55:03.200
<v Speaker 3>his flirt, whereas she hadn't been earlier. But anyway, everybody

0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:07.000
<v Speaker 3>goes to bed, and did you notice, Like, do they

0:55:07.040 --> 0:55:09.720
<v Speaker 3>explicitly say, like, no, we're not going to report doctor

0:55:09.800 --> 0:55:12.160
<v Speaker 3>Rowitz's death to the police. It seems like they just

0:55:12.200 --> 0:55:13.680
<v Speaker 3>decide that they shouldn't do that.

0:55:15.040 --> 0:55:17.960
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, yeah, I think they decided we have

0:55:18.040 --> 0:55:21.000
<v Speaker 2>to do a follow up experiment. Yeah, we can't stop

0:55:21.040 --> 0:55:24.240
<v Speaker 2>now we're close, because I mean, it's basically what happened

0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:27.480
<v Speaker 2>is you know, you're like you're saying, they're sort of test.

0:55:27.560 --> 0:55:31.160
<v Speaker 2>They're testing to see who was stimulated the most by

0:55:31.400 --> 0:55:34.680
<v Speaker 2>these the stimuli they were presented with. But then unfortunately,

0:55:34.760 --> 0:55:37.760
<v Speaker 2>the individual who was stimulated the most, according to the readings,

0:55:38.160 --> 0:55:40.880
<v Speaker 2>is also now dead, was killed in the dark, so

0:55:40.920 --> 0:55:41.839
<v Speaker 2>it must be someone else.

0:55:41.880 --> 0:55:45.040
<v Speaker 3>So that's funny because that should indicate the fallibility of

0:55:45.080 --> 0:55:48.960
<v Speaker 3>their experimental method, right like, if he wasn't the murderer,

0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:51.719
<v Speaker 3>and yet he was the person that the test identified,

0:55:51.760 --> 0:55:54.600
<v Speaker 3>that should show that the test is not necessarily great.

0:55:55.120 --> 0:56:00.000
<v Speaker 2>I agree, But yet they persist, you know, because ultimately

0:56:00.000 --> 0:56:02.200
<v Speaker 2>he's thinking about publication. You know, it's not about whether

0:56:02.239 --> 0:56:05.160
<v Speaker 2>you catch the murder, it's that you well document your

0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:06.279
<v Speaker 2>attempts to catch the murder.

0:56:06.280 --> 0:56:07.280
<v Speaker 3>He's trying to get tenure.

0:56:07.400 --> 0:56:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. Oh.

0:56:09.640 --> 0:56:11.440
<v Speaker 3>And then also we just get the little tid that

0:56:11.680 --> 0:56:14.200
<v Speaker 3>later that night, like fey Ray's walking around and she

0:56:14.280 --> 0:56:17.640
<v Speaker 3>comes across her father examining Rowitz's body under a sheet

0:56:17.920 --> 0:56:20.480
<v Speaker 3>in a room in the house. Uh. And then we

0:56:20.600 --> 0:56:24.160
<v Speaker 3>learn that his body has been cannibalized in the middle

0:56:24.200 --> 0:56:35.919
<v Speaker 3>of the night. So somebody at the manor here cannibalized him.

0:56:36.440 --> 0:56:38.680
<v Speaker 3>So but yes, as you say, the murderer still has

0:56:38.719 --> 0:56:41.320
<v Speaker 3>to be discovered, and this all leads to the second test.

0:56:42.200 --> 0:56:44.759
<v Speaker 3>Before that, there is a scene of hot Scoop and

0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:47.640
<v Speaker 3>fay Ray flirting some more. They're down at the beach,

0:56:47.719 --> 0:56:50.960
<v Speaker 3>they're talking about swimming. There are some lines in this

0:56:51.040 --> 0:56:53.800
<v Speaker 3>scene that are frankly hilarious. There's a great part where

0:56:54.440 --> 0:56:59.080
<v Speaker 3>he's like, listen, forget that I'm a newspaper man, And

0:56:59.239 --> 0:57:02.600
<v Speaker 3>I feel like here I'm wondering if maybe we should

0:57:02.600 --> 0:57:05.080
<v Speaker 3>sort of leave off in describing the plot in too

0:57:05.120 --> 0:57:07.360
<v Speaker 3>much detail after this, because this is getting up to

0:57:07.400 --> 0:57:10.759
<v Speaker 3>the climax, and I feel like we should at least

0:57:10.760 --> 0:57:13.000
<v Speaker 3>be a little bit circumspective. But we don't want to

0:57:13.000 --> 0:57:14.239
<v Speaker 3>spoil the mystery, do we.

0:57:14.360 --> 0:57:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Though.

0:57:14.640 --> 0:57:16.960
<v Speaker 3>There's a thing that is building up to that we

0:57:17.040 --> 0:57:19.440
<v Speaker 3>have to talk about because it's the best thing about

0:57:19.480 --> 0:57:19.960
<v Speaker 3>the movie.

0:57:20.400 --> 0:57:22.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think we basically have to have a werewolf

0:57:22.800 --> 0:57:25.320
<v Speaker 2>break here in the in the episode, so we have

0:57:25.360 --> 0:57:29.640
<v Speaker 2>to say, Look, if you want to experience the wonderful

0:57:29.680 --> 0:57:33.120
<v Speaker 2>twist for yourself, and we recommend you do, then you

0:57:33.160 --> 0:57:35.760
<v Speaker 2>should stop listening to this episode. Now, go out and

0:57:35.800 --> 0:57:38.520
<v Speaker 2>at your leisure see the film for yourself, and then

0:57:38.560 --> 0:57:41.360
<v Speaker 2>come back and you can listen to us talk about it,

0:57:41.440 --> 0:57:43.240
<v Speaker 2>and then you can share your own thoughts on it,

0:57:43.280 --> 0:57:43.720
<v Speaker 2>et cetera.

0:57:44.840 --> 0:57:47.320
<v Speaker 3>Okay, but if you're ready to hear the end right now,

0:57:48.440 --> 0:57:52.080
<v Speaker 3>we absolutely must say that the revelation of the killer's

0:57:52.160 --> 0:57:56.320
<v Speaker 3>identity involves the real star of this movie, and the

0:57:56.360 --> 0:58:00.280
<v Speaker 3>best thing about it a god mode plot device called

0:58:00.400 --> 0:58:05.800
<v Speaker 3>synthetic flesh that even gets like it gets announced in

0:58:05.880 --> 0:58:08.960
<v Speaker 3>a voiceover segment. There's like a voice that is not

0:58:09.120 --> 0:58:11.640
<v Speaker 3>spoken by a character on screen. It just comes on

0:58:11.720 --> 0:58:15.520
<v Speaker 3>the soundtrack saying synthetic flesh.

0:58:15.800 --> 0:58:19.720
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, it's it's absolutely wonderful and indeed it's it's

0:58:19.760 --> 0:58:22.880
<v Speaker 2>a fabulous plot twist, and it really I really got

0:58:22.920 --> 0:58:25.680
<v Speaker 2>me too, because I have to admit I was convinced

0:58:26.120 --> 0:58:29.240
<v Speaker 2>that Doctor X had to be the villain. He's secretly

0:58:29.320 --> 0:58:31.600
<v Speaker 2>the villain the whole time, and he made some sort

0:58:31.640 --> 0:58:33.920
<v Speaker 2>of monster to do his bidding. And I believe this

0:58:34.000 --> 0:58:37.280
<v Speaker 2>because that's what Richard O'Brien told me in the lyrics

0:58:37.560 --> 0:58:40.240
<v Speaker 2>to Science Fiction Double Feature. He said Doctor X made

0:58:40.680 --> 0:58:43.680
<v Speaker 2>a creature. So I'm thinking that that's it. That's clearly

0:58:43.680 --> 0:58:45.960
<v Speaker 2>where we're going with this. Why would Richard O'Brien lie

0:58:46.000 --> 0:58:46.200
<v Speaker 2>to me?

0:58:46.440 --> 0:58:48.720
<v Speaker 3>Right, Richard O'Brien wouldn't lie to you, but maybe he

0:58:48.760 --> 0:58:50.800
<v Speaker 3>had just it'd been a while since he'd seen it.

0:58:50.800 --> 0:58:54.520
<v Speaker 3>It got a little bit fuzzy. Yeah, there is almost

0:58:54.560 --> 0:58:57.120
<v Speaker 3>a sort of creature creation, but no one of the

0:58:57.160 --> 0:58:59.600
<v Speaker 3>parties there at the house is the villain. And it

0:58:59.640 --> 0:59:03.840
<v Speaker 3>is in a great sequence where so all of the suspects,

0:59:03.840 --> 0:59:08.240
<v Speaker 3>including Doctor X himself are handcuffed to chairs so that

0:59:08.280 --> 0:59:11.000
<v Speaker 3>they can't get up and murder each other anymore. During

0:59:11.000 --> 0:59:16.480
<v Speaker 3>the second test, doctor Wells handcuffs Haines, Duke and Doctor

0:59:16.680 --> 0:59:19.560
<v Speaker 3>X to these chairs so they're held down. And then

0:59:19.640 --> 0:59:23.520
<v Speaker 3>Doctor Wells reveals I'm the killer and they're like, well,

0:59:23.520 --> 0:59:27.920
<v Speaker 3>how could it be you? And the answer is synthetic flesh,

0:59:28.320 --> 0:59:33.600
<v Speaker 3>and we get this amazing psychedelic body horror sequence where

0:59:34.480 --> 0:59:37.160
<v Speaker 3>it's very much I don't want to compare it too

0:59:37.240 --> 0:59:38.920
<v Speaker 3>much to this because this came later, but it's kind

0:59:38.960 --> 0:59:44.280
<v Speaker 3>of Clayface from Batman, where there is this putty that

0:59:44.560 --> 0:59:48.120
<v Speaker 3>Doctor Wells applies to himself that I think is made

0:59:48.320 --> 0:59:52.560
<v Speaker 3>from the flesh of the people who he supposedly cannibalized,

0:59:53.080 --> 0:59:57.520
<v Speaker 3>and this putty goes on his body and can make

0:59:57.720 --> 1:00:01.080
<v Speaker 3>new flesh and organs as he like smooths it on.

1:00:01.960 --> 1:00:04.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is fabulous. Another thing I would compare it to.

1:00:05.000 --> 1:00:07.440
<v Speaker 2>And again, this is something that came later and I

1:00:07.440 --> 1:00:10.960
<v Speaker 2>think was probably influenced by Doctor X, and that is

1:00:11.240 --> 1:00:14.720
<v Speaker 2>Sam Raimi's Dark Man. Yes, because the main character in that,

1:00:14.760 --> 1:00:18.000
<v Speaker 2>played by Liam Neeson, is a scientist who has created

1:00:18.240 --> 1:00:22.560
<v Speaker 2>synthetic skin, which he kind of you know puts on it. God,

1:00:22.600 --> 1:00:23.840
<v Speaker 2>I forget if he gobs it on or he just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of pulls it on like a mask. But at

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<v Speaker 2>any rate, it's some sort of a fleshy goo that

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<v Speaker 2>can transform his face into the face of another.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, the essential premise here is that you can

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<v Speaker 3>like mold organs and skin out of this clay and

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<v Speaker 3>just smear it onto your body and then it becomes

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<v Speaker 3>functioning tissue.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so Wells in this fantastic, lengthy, mostly dialogueless scene

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<v Speaker 2>he puts first, he puts on this synthetic flesh claw,

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<v Speaker 2>this great monstrous hand that he attaches to where he

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<v Speaker 2>is of his amputation, and then he began he begins

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<v Speaker 2>to gob this stuff onto his face, and it is

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<v Speaker 2>it really turns the weirdness in this film up to eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>You have the strange you know, two tone technicolor effects

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<v Speaker 2>going on, and it really feels more in keeping with

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<v Speaker 2>experimental cinema of later decades, you know, at least from

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<v Speaker 2>a modern film going perspective. Again, there's no dialogue other

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<v Speaker 2>than well saying synthetic flesh a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 3>But as I said, he does, you don't see his

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<v Speaker 3>mouth moving when he says it. It's like he says

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<v Speaker 3>it as if like it's in his head, like it's

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<v Speaker 3>a voiceover and it repeats, and so it very much

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<v Speaker 3>has the feeling of something that would be sampled in

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<v Speaker 3>a techno song or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. It feels

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<v Speaker 2>like something would be sampled in a mix, and I

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<v Speaker 2>hope has been sampled in a mix. DJs, if you're listening,

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<v Speaker 2>sample this because it's wonderful. But also the background audio

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<v Speaker 2>for this whole scene is just kind of like add

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<v Speaker 2>science see electros. And I was absolutely digging this as

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<v Speaker 2>I was watching and listening to it, because I think

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<v Speaker 2>in many ways it's an accidental early electronic music score.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, maybe something it sounds like a little

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<v Speaker 2>post industrial, like something something like Nurse with Wound would

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<v Speaker 2>have created. In fact, I would love that if we

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<v Speaker 2>could actually just listen to a sample, an audio sample

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<v Speaker 2>from this scene so you can get a taste for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Synthetic flesh, synthetic flesh. I want that. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>pick up the single just as a bit of score trivia.

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<v Speaker 2>Though credit for the first electronic score generally goes to

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<v Speaker 2>Bbe and Lewis Baron for their work with a magnetic

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<v Speaker 2>tape on nineteen fifty six, the nineteen fifty six film

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<v Speaker 2>Forbidden Planet. So this isn't an example of an electronic score,

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<v Speaker 2>but if it were an electronic score, it would be

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<v Speaker 2>way ahead of its time. I also have to say

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<v Speaker 2>that that the sequence where he's smearing the synthetic flesh

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<v Speaker 2>over his face and into his hair and forming this

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<v Speaker 2>noon face, this face of the moon Killer, it reminds

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<v Speaker 2>me a lot of the later of the current the

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<v Speaker 2>modern performance art. A French artist Oliver de Sagazin, who

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<v Speaker 2>many of you may have seen. There's one of his

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<v Speaker 2>performances features into the twenty eleven film Sam Sara, but

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<v Speaker 2>you can also find clips of his work online. Just

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<v Speaker 2>look for Oliver Sagaza sa g A z A N

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<v Speaker 2>and you'll see see what he does. Basically, he sets

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<v Speaker 2>up in front of a camera and then he layers

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<v Speaker 2>paint and clay over his own face and does a

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<v Speaker 2>fair amount of like you know, performance art with it,

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<v Speaker 2>to just transform himself into these various, I mean, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of monstrosities. There's an unsettling nature to his work, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's wonderful. And in this film, in Doctor X, we

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<v Speaker 2>kind of see a far earlier version of that same

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<v Speaker 2>performance art.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it makes me wonder what are the

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<v Speaker 3>other great examples of sort of extreme makeup effects in

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<v Speaker 3>film from the thirties. I don't know of any other

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<v Speaker 3>movies from this era that have effects that look like this.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I would have thought, you know, makeup at

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<v Speaker 3>the time was all basically just like realistic accentuation of

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<v Speaker 3>the face, not the kind of like horror movie makeup

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<v Speaker 3>effects we associate with movies of the seventies and eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it's it's impressive. I'm thinking trying to

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<v Speaker 2>like figure out what it like. We can think about

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<v Speaker 2>what it's supposed to be. You know, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like he's gobbing himself down with sci fi stem cells

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<v Speaker 2>or something, but or you know, some sort of flesh

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<v Speaker 2>that instantly forges a connection with his own flesh. But

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<v Speaker 2>I imagine it's probably a twist on perceptions of elaborate

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<v Speaker 2>special effects makeup of the day. You know, the putty

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<v Speaker 2>is like flesh, and then it seems to become the flesh,

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<v Speaker 2>and within the context of the film, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like he's got this this you know, this big

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<v Speaker 2>old jar stem cells that he's just gabbing it on

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<v Speaker 2>and sculpting his flesh into the desired nightmare. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think also we can find a possible connection here to

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<v Speaker 2>sort of the zeitgeist of the time when you look

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<v Speaker 2>back at the history of plastic surgery, which to be clear,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean the use of plastic in sculpting flesh, but

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<v Speaker 2>the overall plasticity of flesh that can be utilized in

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<v Speaker 2>reconstructive surgery. So you look at some of the achievements

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<v Speaker 2>that were made even at that time and in the

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<v Speaker 2>previous decades, and they were pretty amazing. Stuff like walking

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<v Speaker 2>lengths of flesh up to the face or down from

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<v Speaker 2>the forehead in order to slowly graft it and form

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<v Speaker 2>it and to reform features that were lost. Cartilage implantation

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<v Speaker 2>is another example. If you look up images of say

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<v Speaker 2>World War One facial reconstruction, you can see examples of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Because some of it is quite amazing. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it can be a little tough to take in,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's quite interesting. And remember this is nineteen thirty two,

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<v Speaker 2>so memories of the First World War's injuries are still raw,

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<v Speaker 2>as are likely the photographs of the surgical reconstructions that

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<v Speaker 2>were possible. There's even a great line from Wells that

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like reflects this, because as he's having his

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<v Speaker 2>like supervillain reveal speech, he says, yes, look at it

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<v Speaker 2>a real hand, it's a live it's flesh, synthetic flesh.

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<v Speaker 2>For years, I've been searching to find the secret of

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<v Speaker 2>a living, manufactured flesh, and now I found it. You

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<v Speaker 2>think I went to Africa to study cannibalism. I went

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<v Speaker 2>there to get samples of the human flesh that the natives.

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<v Speaker 2>E Yes, That's why I needed living flesh from humans.

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<v Speaker 2>From my experiments, what difference did it make if a

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<v Speaker 2>few people had to die their flesh taught me how

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<v Speaker 2>to manufacture arms, legs, faces that are human. I'll make

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<v Speaker 2>a cripple world hold again.

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<v Speaker 3>So again we get a very like ends justify the

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<v Speaker 3>means thing. It's like, look, I've had to kill a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people, but I'm going to create amazing new

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<v Speaker 3>surgical techniques by what I've learned through doing. So.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think, yeah, you think about this film

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<v Speaker 2>as coming out, you know, post World War One and

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<v Speaker 2>before World War II, it seems like it seems like

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<v Speaker 2>that maybe what is lashing onto here? You know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>and again this is kind of the territory. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the area in which genre filmmaking often works.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this is probably also a time where people

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<v Speaker 3>were trying to figure out the limits of what was

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<v Speaker 3>ethical scientific experimentation. Like, there was probably a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>experimentation going on that we would today regard as unethical

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<v Speaker 3>in its nature, but was you know, it was not

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<v Speaker 3>just people who were like, I'm trying to do evil.

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<v Speaker 3>It was people who had this idea of like, we'll

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<v Speaker 3>think of all the good that we could accomplish exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and just you know, continuing to roll with what

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<v Speaker 2>these technological changes meant for humanity. You know, like suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>we're able to wage war in ways that we were

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<v Speaker 2>not able to previously. I mean, one of the prime

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<v Speaker 2>examples from the First World War would of course be

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<v Speaker 2>chemical weaponry, and we have a brief scene of chemical

1:08:30.200 --> 1:08:33.600
<v Speaker 2>weaponry in this film is the newspaper Guy Lee is

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<v Speaker 2>gassed there. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>As for other ways this movie fits into the history

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<v Speaker 3>of science, there's a thing that comes up several times,

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<v Speaker 3>which is forensic experimentation, like forensic biometrics basically using brain

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<v Speaker 3>examination or heart rate monitoring or things like that to

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<v Speaker 3>determine the guilt of a person in trying to solve

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<v Speaker 3>a criminal case. If you would like more information about

1:09:02.320 --> 1:09:04.519
<v Speaker 3>the history of that kind of thing, we did an

1:09:04.520 --> 1:09:07.080
<v Speaker 3>episode I actually was Christian and I did a couple

1:09:07.160 --> 1:09:10.439
<v Speaker 3>of episodes several years ago about the failures of forensic

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<v Speaker 3>science where we talked about this big report that looked

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<v Speaker 3>into the reliability of forensic sciences that are supposedly used

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<v Speaker 3>to establish guilt in the courtroom, and how some of

1:09:20.760 --> 1:09:22.760
<v Speaker 3>them are in most cases pretty solid, you know, like

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<v Speaker 3>DNA evidence and all that, but a lot of them

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<v Speaker 3>do not have as solid a scientific basis as is

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<v Speaker 3>often represented and may very well be sort of just

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<v Speaker 3>sort of stealing them the primature of science as a

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<v Speaker 3>concept to placed on some kind of weak evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, speaking of weak evidence, I do love that. Ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>doctor X was wrong. You know, earlier in the film,

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, I'm totally sure that the killer sees the

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<v Speaker 2>moon and it awakens these repressed feelings inside him, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is what I will look for, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>not what was happening at all.

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<v Speaker 3>No, the killer was, like doctor X. It was a

1:10:00.680 --> 1:10:04.360
<v Speaker 3>researcher who was fanatically dedicated to his own work and

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<v Speaker 3>was trying to and was willing to do whatever he

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<v Speaker 3>could to further it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so in a way, it would have been interesting

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<v Speaker 2>to see where they would have gone with a sequel

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<v Speaker 2>to this film, right in that they could ask, well,

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<v Speaker 2>where does doctor X go from there? He's been kind

1:10:20.920 --> 1:10:22.840
<v Speaker 2>of been proven wrong in a way. He's in a

1:10:22.880 --> 1:10:25.920
<v Speaker 2>similar place to where William of Baskerville is at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the Name of the Rose, where he realizes

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<v Speaker 2>that to a certain extent, his logic and his reason

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<v Speaker 2>has failed him. He wasn't able to actually prevent anything,

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<v Speaker 2>even as he was able to solve the mystery.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a good point. Well, I hope that the

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<v Speaker 3>Doctor X has learned his lesson and will no longer

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<v Speaker 3>say that you can prove the guilt of someone suspected

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<v Speaker 3>of murder by using a machine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, hopefully so, But I don't know. He seems rather

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<v Speaker 2>stubborn and he's already invested in all that gear.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Oh, we didn't even say how it ends. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>so the other thing is after so Wells is going

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<v Speaker 3>to kill Fay while they're all handcuffed to chairs and

1:11:02.520 --> 1:11:05.599
<v Speaker 3>then lee the reporter is like, hey, this guy happened,

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<v Speaker 3>and so he comes out and does it. He gives

1:11:07.640 --> 1:11:11.760
<v Speaker 3>him the old fisticuffs and punches punches Wells in the

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<v Speaker 3>face and they fight, and then I think he kills

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<v Speaker 3>him by throwing a lamp on him, which sets him

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<v Speaker 3>on fire, and.

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<v Speaker 2>He sits in it, hits it in the face with

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<v Speaker 2>a lamp and then kind of like tackles him through

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<v Speaker 2>a window.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh. I think he also hits him with his hand buzzer, doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>He possibly, Yeah, he is looking at his hand buzzer

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<v Speaker 2>after it happens, so that may have played a role.

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<v Speaker 2>It would make sense because again the script is very economical.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we get a nice little spot of romance

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the end of the picture.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's it. Oh, we get well he Oh, by

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<v Speaker 3>the way, he like he calls his society editor on

1:11:43.920 --> 1:11:46.840
<v Speaker 3>the newspaper. He's like, hey, you know, you might want

1:11:46.880 --> 1:11:49.000
<v Speaker 3>to set aside some What does he say? He's like,

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<v Speaker 3>you might want to save some space for doctor Xavier

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<v Speaker 3>to make an announcement about his about his daughter. I

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<v Speaker 3>guess I'm plying that like that they're going to have

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<v Speaker 3>a wedding announcement or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you get your happy, lovey w ending. The

1:12:03.000 --> 1:12:06.799
<v Speaker 2>ending again is very very mainstream and normal. The beginning

1:12:07.040 --> 1:12:09.840
<v Speaker 2>it's fairly normal, but man, the middle of this film

1:12:09.880 --> 1:12:12.800
<v Speaker 2>gets into some serious weirdness and I love it. So

1:12:12.840 --> 1:12:15.400
<v Speaker 2>you might be wondering where can you get this film? Well,

1:12:15.439 --> 1:12:18.480
<v Speaker 2>you can rent or buy this one digitally most places,

1:12:18.720 --> 1:12:20.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, wherever you get digital films, you can rent

1:12:21.000 --> 1:12:22.760
<v Speaker 2>it or buy it. You can also pick it up

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<v Speaker 2>on DVD, either as part of a two movie pack

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<v Speaker 2>along with the Yes, the nineteen thirty nine sequel. There

1:12:29.240 --> 1:12:31.519
<v Speaker 2>is an actual sequel to this. I doubt that it

1:12:31.560 --> 1:12:34.960
<v Speaker 2>meets my expectations, but it's called The Return of Doctor X,

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<v Speaker 2>which starred an up and coming actor by the name

1:12:37.400 --> 1:12:40.720
<v Speaker 2>of Humphrey Bogart. I haven't seen it, but we have

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<v Speaker 2>brought it up on the show before, just because I

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<v Speaker 2>believe it has a synthetic blood plot element.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I've read that it has little to do

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<v Speaker 3>with this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I can't imagine it really carries on the legacy. Well. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you can also pick this up in a big box

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<v Speaker 2>set that also includes Mad Love and a few other films.

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<v Speaker 2>That's we're looking for as well. Man, imagine a Mad

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<v Speaker 2>Love Doctor X mashup, though that would have been so yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, one thing I'll say that these movies have in

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<v Speaker 3>common is that they're both I think, pretty great sci

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<v Speaker 3>fi horror movies for their time. Both are sort of

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<v Speaker 3>pushed over the edge into transcendence by one amazingly weird

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<v Speaker 3>scene toward the end. In this case, it's the synthetic

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<v Speaker 3>flesh scene. In Mad Love, it's the scene where he's

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<v Speaker 3>dressed up his orlac and the brace with the sunglasses

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<v Speaker 3>and all that that costume.

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<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, the Raulloh costume.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh yeah, sorry not or like the Raulo costume.

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<v Speaker 3>You're right, yes, those are like the scenes that make

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<v Speaker 3>the movies in both cases. But whereas Mad Love has

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<v Speaker 3>Peter Lourie, I don't think this movie has anybody of

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<v Speaker 3>the Peter Loriie caliber in it.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, it's got a couple of big

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<v Speaker 2>names for the time, and we mentioned you got at

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<v Speaker 2>Well and you've got Fayray. But in terms of bringing

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<v Speaker 2>the perform mormans like bringing something performance wise that's memorably weird, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't really have it. I guess you gave kind

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<v Speaker 2>of sprinkles of it though, with the supporting cast.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, doctor Rowitz, Yeah he's I mean, he doesn't have

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<v Speaker 3>enough screen time, but he's he's my hero.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. All right, Well, we're gonna go ahead and put

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<v Speaker 2>a scalpel in this one and scalp. Hell it's done,

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<v Speaker 2>scalpel and call it done. This has been another episode

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<v Speaker 2>of weird Ouse Cinema. We're putting out Weird House Cinema

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<v Speaker 2>every Friday. Stuff to Blow Your Mind remains a science

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<v Speaker 2>and culture show, but Friday is our data. Unwind a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit and enjoy a little midnight movie goodness. So

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<v Speaker 2>let us know what you thought. Did you see this film?

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<v Speaker 2>Had you seen it previously? How do you feel about

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<v Speaker 2>doctor X? How do you feel about the twists and

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<v Speaker 2>the turns and that crazy scene with the synthetic flesh.

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