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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thursday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off right now,

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Speaker 2: and boy, oh boy, a lot going on out there

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Speaker 2: in the world today. Much to discuss. Lines open eight

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Speaker 2: hundred two eight two two eight a two. Let me

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Speaker 2: see first stop big news here that the Trump New

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Speaker 2: York City trial has a date set for March twenty fifth,

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Speaker 2: so just a little over a month away. A judge

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Speaker 2: rejected Trump's bid to have that trial dismissed thrown out

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Speaker 2: because it is absurd and flimsy. But we are in

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Speaker 2: really a post legal order now when it comes to

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Speaker 2: all things Donald Trump. We will dive into some of

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Speaker 2: that at the timeline, and also what the political outcome

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Speaker 2: is likely to be or the the upside or downside

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Speaker 2: of bringing this and maybe even getting a prosecution all

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Speaker 2: the way through to a conviction against Donald Trump in

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Speaker 2: New York. Meanwhile, take take a look at what's going

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Speaker 2: on in Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: You have Nathan Wade.

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Speaker 2: He is still as we speak to you, testifying in

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Speaker 2: the Fannie Willis ethics probe. Now, remember Nathan Wade, I

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Speaker 2: don't think we have to say alleged because he's admitted,

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Speaker 2: like they've had it there there.

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Speaker 3: Was it's an affair. Yes, yes, there was an affair.

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Speaker 3: So Nathan Wade.

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Speaker 4: Leaping with her subordinate that she hired on this case,

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump in praison for the rest of his life.

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Speaker 2: So Fulton County DA Fannie Willis brings an unprecedented prosecution

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Speaker 2: of a former president and likely future president who is

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Speaker 2: the current well de facto Republican nominee. And sure enough,

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Speaker 2: Nathan Wade is telling everybody in detail, and Clay's been

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Speaker 2: watching it all morning.

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Speaker 3: We'll get into some of.

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Speaker 2: These details in a second, about about the realities of

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Speaker 2: this affair, the duration of it, what was going on,

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Speaker 2: we'll discuss that, and then also second hour or maybe

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Speaker 2: before then, but Clay is going to update us on

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Speaker 2: this shooting that occurred at the Kansas City Chiefs Parade

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Speaker 2: celebration and what we know about it and how the

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Speaker 2: media coverage of it h is probably going to change

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Speaker 2: or just dissipate, I think, very quickly. But we shall

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Speaker 2: discuss all of this and and and a whole lot more.

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Speaker 3: Clay.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's dive into this the the the Fannie Willis case.

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Speaker 3: It is now not the fun.

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Speaker 2: It is the case against Fannie Willis really that we

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Speaker 2: are discussing here, and her ethics are lack thereof What

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Speaker 2: are what were the biggest takeaways from you? Clay's watching

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Speaker 2: this as a lawyer, He's all excited to dive into

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Speaker 2: the missteps of the of the examination here and and

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Speaker 2: everything else.

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Speaker 3: What's going on? What are you seeing?

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Speaker 2: And fundamentally is that is the Fulton County case against Trump.

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Speaker 3: Plus eighteen dead.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So I think probably because all these cases are

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Speaker 4: so complicated, I should reiterate for those of you out

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Speaker 4: there that are having difficulty keeping up, which is I

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Speaker 4: think almost everyone.

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Speaker 3: What is at stake right now in Georgia.

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Speaker 4: This is the case that has been brought in the

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Speaker 4: Atlanta area against Trump is there was an allegation made

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Speaker 4: that Fanny Willis, who is the district attorney prosecuting this

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Speaker 4: case against Trump, that she had been involved in an

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Speaker 4: adulterous relationship with her chief subordinate, Nathan Wade. That allegation

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Speaker 4: was made in an effort to disqualify both Willis and

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Speaker 4: Wade from being able to be involved in this prosecution. Initially,

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Speaker 4: there was an attempt to say this is this is

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Speaker 4: not Jermaine. This is not relevant now. And Nathan Wade

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Speaker 4: has been paid six hundred over six hundred and fifty

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Speaker 4: thousand dollars, and he has also paid for extravagant vacations

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Speaker 4: for Fanny Willis all over the country. There is evidence

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Speaker 4: that has been introduced in affidavits that makes that clear.

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Speaker 3: And what is.

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Speaker 4: At stake right now is an examination of whether there

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Speaker 4: should be a removal of Fanny Willis and Nathan Wade

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Speaker 4: from this case. And there is an examination testimony that

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Speaker 4: is going on right now. It is riveting this morning.

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Speaker 4: I could not look away. We have a couple of cuts.

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Speaker 4: Nathan Wade is on the witness stand right now. What

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Speaker 4: they have exposed Buck is what I believe is pretty

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Speaker 4: clear perjury by Nathan Wade. Nathan Wade, this all came

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Speaker 4: his wife found out that he was sleeping with Fanny Willis,

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Speaker 4: and that is evidently a part of the reason that

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Speaker 4: divorce case, Nathan Wade said that he had never had

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Speaker 4: an affair with anyone. He was questioned about that, and

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Speaker 4: I think we'll get that audio for you at some point,

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Speaker 4: and Buck, he came up with what I'll admit is

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Speaker 3: He said that he did not lie.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, the relationship he has admitted to

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Speaker 4: that they had an adulterous relationship.

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Speaker 3: He said that he did not lie in that divorce.

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Speaker 4: Affidavid because in his mind his marriage ended in twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 4: Still married, very intriguing perspective. He says that in his

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Speaker 4: mind the marriage ended in twenty fifteen, and so his

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Speaker 3: They are, I believe still married.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that the divorce has been signed off,

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Speaker 4: but certainly we're still married. When he was sleeping with

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Speaker 4: Fanny Willis, okay, second part of that, and we have

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Speaker 4: a cut. He paid for travel all over the place

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Speaker 4: for Fanny Willis. They tried to argue that this was

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Speaker 4: not an issue because she also paid, but he was

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Speaker 4: pressed on how she paid. They went all over the

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Speaker 4: place on these extravagant vacations. Napa Valley the Caribbean to

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Speaker 4: cabin in Tennessee. When pressed on how she paid, he

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Speaker 4: said she paid him back in cash.

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Speaker 3: Really, listen to cut twenty seven.

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Speaker 5: You said in the affidavia that you roughly shared travel

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Speaker 5: though correct?

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Speaker 5: So this roughly sharing travel, you're saying she.

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Speaker 3: Remarked you she did? And where did you deposit the money.

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Speaker 6: She reimbursed you?

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Speaker 3: I was cash, She didn't.

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Speaker 7: She didn't give me any checks.

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Speaker 5: So she paid you cash for her share of all

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Speaker 5: these vakings this man okay. And so all of the

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Speaker 5: vacations that she took she paid you cash for, this man,

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Speaker 5: and you purchased all of these vacations on your business

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Speaker 3: Correct, this man okay?

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Speaker 4: And he also evidently wrote them off on his taxes,

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Speaker 4: which is something that is being examined right now, which

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Speaker 4: I would imagine is not ideal. So I would just

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Speaker 4: ask for all of you out there who have ever

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Speaker 4: had a girlfriend. Certainly, if you've ever had a wife,

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Speaker 4: I bet it's never happened. But if you've ever had

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Speaker 4: a girlfriend that you paid for a cruise for, or

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Speaker 2: With cash cash obviously not. And beyond this clay you

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Speaker 2: would if you were doing it because you wanted to

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Speaker 2: be letter of the law correct, you would do it

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Speaker 2: The reason you would say I paid in cash is

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Speaker 2: because there can be no disproving of the make belief

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Speaker 2: payment here. Look, I don't you know. I understand it's

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Speaker 2: getting into this. Fundamentally, here's what I see that matters

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Speaker 2: is I think the Atlantic case is effectively dead and buried.

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Speaker 2: I don't see how at this point because and they

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Speaker 3: I want to be.

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Speaker 2: Clear, because someone's gonna send me a you know, email

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Speaker 2: saying oh no, they're going to appoint someone else to

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Speaker 2: to a point a new DA. But what's going to

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Speaker 2: happen here is there is no way they're going to

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Speaker 3: They weren't going to be able to get it ready.

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Speaker 2: I think before this was the case that we always

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Speaker 2: and I think what's going to happen is they'll a point,

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Speaker 2: or maybe someone will just rise up, you know, to

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Speaker 2: take take over the role, and they'll delay it, they'll

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Speaker 2: drag it out, they'll talk about it, and then eventually

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Speaker 2: they will say, you know, in the interest of justice,

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Speaker 2: I don't think that this is going to one affect

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Speaker 2: a good thing. But I don't think it'll be able

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Speaker 2: to affect the election outcome. And beyond that, I don't

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Speaker 2: think anyone will bring it to its terminus because the

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Speaker 2: whole thing looks bad now. And this was always meant

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Speaker 2: stink that this case now has because of the impropriety,

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Speaker 2: and I don't think that's going to dissipate quickly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right in the way.

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Speaker 4: So if you're out there and you're saying, Okay, what's

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Speaker 4: the likely outcome here, I think Fanny Willis and Nathan

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Speaker 4: Wade are going to either be forced off or they're

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Speaker 4: They're going to step down.

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Speaker 3: And people out there who are on the left are

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Speaker 4: The case is still very valid. That's the voice that

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Speaker 4: that they scream in every time. They're gonna have to

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Speaker 4: find a new DA. It will be incredibly difficult to

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Speaker 4: find a new DA. It will take months and months.

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Speaker 4: And remember the new DA, Buck would have to completely

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Speaker 4: refamiliarize him or herself with thousands of pages in filing.

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Speaker 4: What is a robust and substantial record of information. It

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Speaker 4: would this thing, this thing's never going to trials?

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Speaker 3: Things over so.

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Speaker 4: And where does it Where does that play itself out?

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Speaker 4: This is a big win for Trump, Buck because I

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Speaker 4: think what happens here is again it's possible that I'm

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Speaker 4: in life, and most people are not going to follow

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Speaker 4: the minute details of these cases. Many of you out

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Speaker 4: there listening to us right now, you may very well

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Speaker 4: be following every detail, even that is complicated. I think

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Speaker 4: this is going to play very much into the Trump

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Speaker 4: argument that this is all a ridiculous rig job against him,

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Speaker 4: that the people who have brought these cases are corrupt themselves.

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Speaker 4: And let me just say it's also regardless of whatever

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Speaker 4: your political leanings are, this is an insanely reckless thing

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Speaker 4: for Fanny Willis to have done. She is single, She's

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Speaker 4: trying to put the former president of the United States

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Speaker 3: Of his life.

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Speaker 4: Buck She could have slept with anyone in the entire country,

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Speaker 4: anyone in the world, except for the married guy that

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Speaker 4: she hired and paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to

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Speaker 4: prison for the rest behind bars for the rest of

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Speaker 4: his life. Her incompetence and recklessness here is beyond the

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Speaker 4: pale to me to even contemplate. She slept with basically

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Speaker 4: the only guy she couldn't sleep with in the whole country.

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Speaker 2: I have to say, I think that you can see this.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's Jack Smith, Alvin Bragg, Fannie Willis, these are

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Speaker 4: But also in the revelations of the testimony is a

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Speaker 3: Speaking truth and having fun. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to Clay and Buck. We've been

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Speaker 2: saying for a while that the legal shenanigans surrounding Trump

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Speaker 3: Uh, they're they're asking for.

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Speaker 2: Because it's state level charges, he can't pardon himself, you know.

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Speaker 2: And they were all they were all excited. The walls

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Speaker 3: This is gonna be fun.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna set these these uh, these two cuts up

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Speaker 2: Clay lawyer had it for us right away. Clay, let's

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Speaker 2: start with with twenty eight. If you're telling somebody that

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Speaker 3: Play twenty eight.

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Speaker 7: My marriage was irretrievably broken in twenty fifteen, ma'am.

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Speaker 3: By agreement.

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Speaker 7: My wife and I agreed that once she had the

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Speaker 7: if you're asking me about the interrogatory as it relates

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Speaker 4: Again, I think she could have questioned him far better,

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Speaker 4: And he's questioned specifically about whether he's ever rented a

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Speaker 3: Listen to this.

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Speaker 5: I'm asking if you remember paying for a cabin six

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Speaker 5: Did you go to a cabin with Miss Willis ever ever? Ever?

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Speaker 5: Have you ever gone to Tennessee with Miss Willis?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Okay, when was that?

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Speaker 3: It was it was a day trip, okay, so you

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Speaker 7: We would drive there, have lunch, drive back.

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Speaker 4: I'm forty four. I think I've booked the cabin twice

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Speaker 4: in my I live in Tennessee. People go to Gatlinburg,

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Speaker 4: This thing's not making sense.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 4: I have made the drive a lot because I'm an

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Speaker 4: That ain't a fun drive. All right, Everybody who has

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 4: Every single person who has ever driven from Georgia to

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Speaker 4: It does not matter what time you are driving from

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Speaker 3: It is brutal.

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Speaker 4: There is no way on earth. Buck, I'm throwing the

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Speaker 3: That no one has ever done that.

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Speaker 4: In the history of the state of Georgia and Tennessee.

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Speaker 4: and say, well, that ends on what the definition of

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Speaker 3: Actually we clean that up.

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Speaker 4: He spends twenty seconds waiting to answer the question of

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Speaker 2: To to be fair, now I sound like I'm Nick

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Speaker 2: handed there, there's there are literal receipts, they've lied and

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Speaker 2: what are they gonna do A They're just gonna They're

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Speaker 2: And again, I think you know, at some level, yes,

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Speaker 2: this is just about the absurdity of it. But more

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Speaker 2: even get started, before it could even make its way

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Speaker 2: before one of them can even go to court, it

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Speaker 2: has completely fallen apart. Another one may be struck down

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Speaker 2: in part or in whole by the Supreme Court. Another

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Speaker 2: one in New York City is so absurd and ob too,

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Speaker 2: it might actually help him if he gets convicted. This

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Speaker 3: Look, yes, I think that to your point.

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Speaker 4: I've asked this on the show before, and I've never

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Speaker 3: I bet it.

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Speaker 4: Never in American history has someone never been charged with

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Speaker 4: I would love to know what the case would be

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Speaker 3: I bet it's never happened. Maybe like a medicare fraud.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, maybe mentioned Bernie made off, but

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Speaker 4: I don't think they charged them in four different locations,

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Speaker 4: four different No, don't four different locations.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's kind of unheard of, the charging in

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Speaker 2: And I just know this from a law enforcement side,

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Speaker 2: four different states on federal felonies, they sit you down

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Speaker 2: in one and they say, you're gonna take a deal.

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Speaker 2: Here's what we're offering. You know, you never go to

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Speaker 2: trial Clay in four different No one thinks you're actually

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Speaker 2: going to go to trial in four different places, right,

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Speaker 2: four different jurisdictions. That is what Trump is up against

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Speaker 4: Also Buck, Usually what would happen is somebody would say

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Speaker 4: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show, The Ongoing

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Speaker 4: Nathan Wade, Fanny Willis, Shenanigans, there's testimony. We are going

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Speaker 4: There were hundreds of thousands of people that were attending

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Speaker 4: It's probably not a huge surprise whenever there is a

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Speaker 4: We don't find out much about those suspects, so we still.

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Speaker 3: Don't know their names.

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Speaker 4: We do not know for sure the motivation, but it

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Speaker 4: It appears these were maybe two or three guys shooting

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Speaker 4: ended up being a lot of innocent victims. Fortunately there

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Speaker 4: were fewer victims than might have otherwise been but for

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Speaker 4: the bravery of many different Chiefs fans. Buck, I mean,

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Speaker 4: this is pretty pretty incredible. I want to play these cuts.

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Speaker 4: These guys saw a shooter, ran and tackled him and

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Speaker 4: had and held him into police arrived.

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Speaker 3: Here is Paul Contreras.

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Speaker 4: He is a hero Kansas City Chiefs fan, describing tackling

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Speaker 4: the parade shooting suspect.

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Speaker 8: I never think about it, just a reaction. I didn't hesitate,

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Speaker 8: it was just just do it. So I went to

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Speaker 8: go tackle them, and another gentleman did the same thing.

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Speaker 8: And as I'm tackling him, I see his weapon either

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Speaker 8: fall out of his hand or out of his sleep

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Speaker 8: So when I seen that hit the ground, I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 8: you know, we got to take this guy down. And so,

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Speaker 8: like I said, I did, and another good samaritan did,

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Speaker 8: and we held him down and it seemed like forever,

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Speaker 8: at ongoers, you know, where's the cops were, you know,

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Speaker 8: get the cops over here, Get the cops over here.

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Speaker 8: You know, we got him.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So that's one guy. I want to give him

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Speaker 4: credit here. Paul Contreras, another Hero Chiefs fan, Paul Filter,

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Speaker 4: he told his story as well, I.

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Speaker 9: Hear somebody, you know, you know, you know, get them.

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Speaker 3: I look to my.

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Speaker 9: Left, I see a flash. I tackle that individual. This

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Speaker 9: other gentleman also aids me in that it was, you know,

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Speaker 9: pretty pretty quick quick thing. I was briefly aware that

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Speaker 7: And.

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Speaker 9: You know, it's more like having a catching a T

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Speaker 3: I mean, I was there.

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Speaker 9: I saw a flash of the gentleman, and I.

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Speaker 10: Think, you know, I jumped.

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Speaker 9: It was probably from a lack of good sense.

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Speaker 3: I mean, buck, this is pretty awesome. Two guys, at least.

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Speaker 4: There may have been others, but I want to make

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Speaker 4: sure we give these guys credit. They go to celebrate

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Speaker 4: the Kansas City Chiefs winning the Super Bowl, shooting breaks out.

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Speaker 4: They're right there, and they they're innate reaction, as good

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Speaker 4: do things like this deserve to become famous, not the

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Speaker 4: idiots who are pulling out their guns and firing in

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Speaker 4: crowded situations. So both these guys, this story may vanish

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Speaker 4: because it looks like it's just going to be a

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Speaker 4: people who probably had long, I would bet, criminal histories

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Speaker 2: Both of the perpetrators, based on what I saw in

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Speaker 3: Correct, That's what I saw in the photos, Assuming those

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Speaker 3: are yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, that means that there's no national conversation that

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Speaker 2: to be a lot of discussion on CNN or MSNBC

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Speaker 2: it happened to be like a disgrunt old white guy

662
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Speaker 2: who went you know, went psycho and started killing people,

663
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Speaker 2: well then it's time to push for bands on different guns,

664
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Speaker 2: as well as blaming Trump as well. You know, there's

665
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Speaker 2: all these after effects. But when it's violence that the

666
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Speaker 2: media covers that involves a young, young African American shooter

667
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: or just an African American shooter, and then all of

668
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 2: a sudden, the media doesn't really want to have analysis discussions.

669
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Speaker 2: We don't look at root causes, we don't look at

670
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Speaker 2: anything like that. We don't look at the you know,

671
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: the psychology of the shooter or the perpetrator, none of that.

672
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: Certainly no political implications, as in, it's the fault of

673
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Speaker 2: some politician, or it's the fault of some political program.

674
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Speaker 2: And I think people eventually have or I think because

675
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 2: it's happened for so long, Clay, there is a sense

676
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Speaker 2: of disgust at this because it is so obvious. I mean,

677
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Speaker 2: it's even at the point where you know they they

678
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Speaker 2: won't tell you about suspects still at large in local

679
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: news in a lot of cities, they won't really describe

680
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: the suspect, but they'll flash because of all the surveillance

681
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: cameras that are everywhere. They'll flash on the screen so

682
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Speaker 2: they know what the suspect looks like. But they don't

683
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Speaker 2: want to talk about what the suspect looks like because

684
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Speaker 2: they think it might be reinforcing a stereotype.

685
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Speaker 3: And I think that people do get very tired of that.

686
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Speaker 4: And Buck, this won't surprise you because you've come to

687
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Speaker 4: understand sports media quite a lot. Sports media metidiately went

688
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 4: to guns have to be banned. I'll read a couple

689
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Speaker 4: of these. Rich Eisen, who is I believe at the

690
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Speaker 4: NFL network or used to be at the NFL network.

691
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Speaker 4: He has I would imagine over a million Twitter followers,

692
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Speaker 4: nine children, nine children who went to a parade to

693
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Speaker 4: celebrate their Super Bowl team, nine children now being treated.

694
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Speaker 4: When are we going to collectively realize there's a gun

695
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 4: problem in our country and do something sensible for our kids?

696
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Speaker 4: That was Rich Eisen to his millions of followers.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't Richard Eisen to explain to me. I have

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Speaker 2: many guns, any guns. I have them different places in

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Speaker 2: my house. I'm training with my guns this weekend. Is

700
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Speaker 2: there anyone on the planet who is less safe because

701
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Speaker 2: I have guns? No, And in fact there are people

702
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Speaker 2: who are more safe. Certainly me carry my family because

703
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 2: of my firearms and my training with them. So is

704
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Speaker 2: it a gun problem? I mean it's very similar. You know,

705
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Speaker 2: I have some incredibly sharp knives down in my kitchen.

706
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Speaker 2: Occasionally someone stabs someone to death with a kitchen knife.

707
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Speaker 2: This does happen, right, happens more I think with knives

708
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Speaker 2: than it does even with rifles nationwide by far.

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Speaker 3: So do we have a knife problem.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we have a knife problem. I don't

711
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Speaker 2: think we have a gun problem. I think we have

712
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Speaker 2: a people using guns for illicit purposes to commit crimes,

713
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Speaker 2: including shootings and murders problem, and maybe locking up. I

714
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Speaker 2: saw your tweets on this, I could not agree more.

715
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Speaker 2: It's so obvious. People that are a threat to society

716
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Speaker 2: need to be taken out of society and put in

717
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Speaker 2: incarcerated situations.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

719
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Speaker 2: That's that is the only thing that will actually stop this,

720
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Speaker 2: and it's so rare. You know, you already said this.

721
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Speaker 2: What are the chances we're going to find out these

722
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Speaker 2: two individuals who pulled out firearms in a crowded parade

723
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Speaker 2: and we're shooting kids.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know it was you.

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Speaker 2: It looks like this was like a shootout between the

726
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Speaker 2: two of them and they hit bystanders. Right, It doesn't

727
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Speaker 2: seem that this was an intentional mass shooter situation. But

728
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Speaker 2: they ended up shooting a bunch of children, okay, and

729
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 2: they killed a woman, a DJ What are the chances

730
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Speaker 2: we find out that these are two really standing citizens

731
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Speaker 2: that nobody would have ever suspected we're going to pull

732
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Speaker 2: their guns out in a crowded place, in a celebratory

733
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Speaker 2: day and ruin it for everyone and take lives.

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Speaker 4: Zero The chance is basically zero, Yeah, yes, zero. RG

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Speaker 4: three won a Heisman trophy. Robert Griffin IID tweeted, mass

736
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Speaker 4: shootings are not a political issue. Men, women in shouldren

737
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Speaker 4: are dying from mass shootings. That's not a political issue.

738
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Speaker 4: Thoughts and prayers aren't enough. America is a great country.

739
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Speaker 4: Put the politics aside, work together, pass laws to ensure

740
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Speaker 4: we're no longer known.

741
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Speaker 3: As the land of mass shootings.

742
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Speaker 2: That's an emotion in place of an argument, which is

743
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Speaker 2: what you get from a lot of these sports players

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Speaker 2: as well as sports commentators. And as you and I know,

745
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Speaker 2: and I put you in a separate I mean, you're

746
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 2: sitting here on this show, and we're doing very well

747
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 2: on this show, and so you're a political and sports

748
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Speaker 2: commentary play. Let's be very clear about this. But I

749
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Speaker 2: think you and I can agree whatever we think of

750
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Speaker 2: political commentators. On average, sports commentators.

751
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Speaker 3: Dumber, way dumber.

752
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 4: Wait wait, wait, way dumber and arguably more political, which

753
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 4: is crazy. And I think a lot of people have

754
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 4: not gotten used to the idea.

755
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 3: That was a lesson.

756
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: I learned from you that I thought you were crazy,

757
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Speaker 2: and it is definitely true the more I've paid attention

758
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Speaker 2: to it.

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Speaker 4: So you pointed out, I think the data is and

760
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Speaker 4: we wish there was no mass shootings that only two

761
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 4: percent of If we eliminated every mass shooting in America,

762
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Speaker 4: ninety eight percent of shootings would still be occurring, because

763
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Speaker 4: mass shootings are a tiny pinprick. Here's another thing that

764
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Speaker 4: I would that I would say you mentioned knives if

765
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Speaker 4: I got a dui buck and hopefully so far in

766
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 4: my life, I have never got a dui. If I

767
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 4: got a DUI one day and my defense was we

768
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 4: got a real issue with cars, no one out there

769
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 4: would say, you know what, Klay Travis has got a point.

770
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Speaker 3: Yes he was drunk, Yes he was.

771
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 4: Breaking the law, Yes he was driving out having had

772
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 4: way too many drinks. But it's really not a individual

773
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 4: responsibility of plays when it comes to alcohol issue.

774
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 3: This is really about cars.

775
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 4: If I tried to make that argument, Buck, the universe

776
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 4: would be aligned against me. I would trend number one

777
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 4: in America, and everyone would ridicule me for arguing that

778
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 4: my dui was not about me, or my choices, or

779
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 4: my violation of the laws that pertained to alcohol.

780
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 3: It was actually about the car itself. I would submit

781
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 3: to you.

782
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 4: That's what happens with every single shooting that the story

783
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 4: is never we don't even know who these guys are.

784
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 4: But again, I would wager a substantial amount. The average

785
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 4: in DC, they did a study, Buck, The average number

786
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 4: of arrests before someone commits a murder is double digit

787
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 4: in Washington, DC. Most of you listening to me right

788
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 4: now have never been arrested. It's not typically easy to

789
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 4: get arrested. It certainly is not easy to get arrested

790
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 4: double digit times. Imagine, imagine if the conversation for the

791
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 4: next time somebody gets a DUI was, man, this car.

792
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 3: We got a real issue with cars in this country.

793
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: It'll be there are their arguments are are bad, which

794
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: is why it gets I mean obviously bad.

795
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 3: That's why it gets very frustrating.

796
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 2: Whenever you look at this, and I mean you can

797
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 2: take a look for example at I mean, I was

798
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: just trying to pull this up to give everyone a

799
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: sense of it. I'm trying to find a team helped

800
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Speaker 2: me out with this one, because I can do it

801
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: per hundred thousand. So the population of Wyoming is about

802
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 2: six hundred thousand people. I go to Wyoming because the

803
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: population of Wyoming six hundred thousand people, and they have

804
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Speaker 2: a over sixty percent of households have a gun. Yeah,

805
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: so it's a very high gun ownership state, about six

806
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: hundred thousand people. And it has let me see what

807
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 2: this is here, two murders per one hundred thousand residents.

808
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 2: So maybe I don't know, like I'm.

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Speaker 4: Virtually no violence dozen of that nature in the entire

810
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Speaker 4: state of US, A state of.

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Speaker 2: Six hundred thousand people, let's say four hundred thousand of

812
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 2: them have access to a firearm, and you have I

813
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: don't know, a dozen a dozen murders in the state.

814
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Speaker 2: We got a gun problem, folks. There's a big gun

815
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Speaker 2: problem Wyoming apparently, because I mean, and by the way,

816
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Speaker 2: there aren't those aren't all necessarily even gun debts. I

817
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: think I think everyone sort of sees when you actually

818
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: look at the numbers and the stats. In the arguments,

819
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: they're just they are emotions in place of an argument,

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Speaker 2: and ultimately they want to disarm people like me, and

821
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Speaker 2: they want to disarm our audience. They want to disarm

822
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Speaker 2: people who are law abiding because they want to control them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they don't.

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Speaker 4: Also want to have a conversation about how to solve

825
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 4: gun violence, because if you had that conversation, you have

826
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Speaker 4: what three percent of the population that's committing basically over half.

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Speaker 2: Of all murders in this There were eighteen murders in

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Speaker 2: Wyoming in twenty twenty, hundreds of thousands of gun owners,

829
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Speaker 2: four hundred thousand gun owners, eighteen murders.

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Speaker 2: Clay Travis just a few minutes ago kicked off flute Gate,

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Speaker 2: throwing this member of the woodwind family on the under

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Speaker 3: We know what the piccolo is.

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Speaker 2: See look at that no respect for this member of

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Speaker 2: telling us that they want to have their word with

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Speaker 2: mister Clay. So we will get to that in a

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Speaker 2: little bit. I just wanted to say Clay decided to

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Speaker 2: like that this. This is a theme on this show.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm I'm looking one way and someone goes, hey,

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Speaker 2: is that Clay with an M A D. And by

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Speaker 2: the time I turn around, it's already lit and about

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Speaker 2: to go off. I'm like, good heavens, what's happening here?

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Speaker 2: And there's Clay just gleeful grin on his face as

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Speaker 2: the m ad explodes.

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Speaker 4: I'm just I'm just picturing Buck like the flute big

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Speaker 4: flute community, instead of showing up outside the Supreme, instead

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Speaker 4: of showing up outside the Supreme Court justices the protest.

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Speaker 3: You don't understand. They're not gonna test. They're gonna be

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Speaker 3: in your front lawn all playing flute.

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Speaker 4: What is what is the most annoying song that that

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Speaker 4: a flute player could play in? Like on Moss Like

878
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 4: you're the big, big flute, green sleeves might be up

879
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 4: there for some people, that's a classic flute.

880
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 3: I don't know. There's there's some.

881
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 4: Songs they taught us back in elementary school. We had

882
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 4: the flute. Did you have a xylophone when you were

883
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 4: in elementary school? Did you have to purchase a xylophone? Sure, yes,

884
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 4: we had. This is one of the most ridiculous. I'm

885
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 4: very anti flute. I may be even more anti xylophone.

886
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 4: We had buck an entire it's funny to think about

887
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 4: now because I'm a parent, we had an entire Christmas

888
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 4: special when I was in elementary school where everyone set

889
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 4: on the stage with our xylophones in front of us,

890
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 4: and we played Christmas songs with those little wooden mallets

891
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 4: on those ridiculous.

892
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 2: I'm going to share something with you that it's just

893
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 2: this is just between us, Okay, this is just between us.

894
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 2: At my school, we actually had a class at one

895
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: point called bells and you would you would have to

896
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: put ones that you hold yes, yes, And we put

897
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 2: on white gloves to hold our bells. And then this

898
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 2: is for the Christmas carols and stuff. I we would

899
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 2: sit there. This was a class. It was like a

900
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: trimester class. It was only a few months, but we

901
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: all learned to swing our bell at the right moment

902
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: with the white gloves on.

903
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 4: That is unbelievable and I think about it now as

904
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 4: a parent. There are so many things that we did

905
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 4: and like, I can't imagine now showing up to watch

906
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 4: one of my own kids play, not seeing play the xylophone,

907
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 4: sitting on the stage Christmas music.

908
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 3: The other thing buck that we did. Did you do?

909
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 3: Your schools might have been too good for this.

910
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 4: Our fundraiser was they gave us boxes of chocolates and

911
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 4: we were just supposed to walk around and sell chocolate bars.

912
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 3: And as like slave labor. It's like the world that

913
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 3: stuff still exists.

914
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: We did a walkathon where we were like, hey, we're

915
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: gonna go walk around New York City. Give us money.

916
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 2: So no, we were not above a little bit of

917
00:49:58,640 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 2: the fundraiser.

918
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 4: We had chocolate candy carrying cases. I'm talking about like

919
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 4: eight years old, and it's basically slave labor. You're walking

920
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 4: around trying to sell this world's finest chocolate. It's just

921
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 4: a freaking chocolate bar. I don't understand how many of

922
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 4: the decisions that we were allowed to undertake in the

923
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 4: nineteen eighties were considered totally normal. And I'll also tell

924
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 4: you one thing that got rid of at my school

925
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 4: that I thought was was really good, and I don't

926
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 4: know how many other schools had this. We had required

927
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 4: for phiz ed wrestling as a class. And only do

928
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 4: we have required wrestling. There was a tournament that everybody

929
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 4: had to You had to be in the tournament.

930
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 2: The whole school, well from like like the Royal Rumble,

931
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: from fourth to eighth grade, so it was by grade

932
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 2: year and it was by weight class. But at the

933
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 2: end of it, you would actually end up wrestling someone

934
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 2: in front of the entire school from great everybody else.

935
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 2: And and I'm gonna tell you once, once you've had

936
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: someone like Pile driving your face into the mat in

937
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 2: front of five hundred of your of your of your buddies,

938
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 2: you know it's a it's a good uh, it's a

939
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 2: good analogy for life. But also you want to learn

940
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 2: how to handle yourself a little bit. And having that

941
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: People think you know that, oh, like if someone like

942
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 2: pushes me, I'm just gonna like turn into a superhero. No,

943
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 2: what actually happens is your heart starts beating out of

944
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 2: your chest and you start getting scared, and then you're

945
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 2: you know, you have to figure out are you gonna

946
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: do something or you're just gonna get bumbled.

947
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 3: That's what actually happens.

948
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 4: All right, I'm gonna blow your mind here, buck, because

949
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe this. My father in law, who grew

950
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 4: up in Michigan in the Detroit area, went to public school.

951
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 4: They taught them swimming. Okay, they had a swimming pool

952
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 4: at like the public school that he went to. They

953
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 4: were all nude for swim class. In like the nineteen

954
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 4: fifties in Michigan, you would go to learn how to swim, and.

955
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 3: Every if he's pranking me.

956
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 4: And I've mentioned this before and other people who were

957
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 4: like around that age are like, yeah, you know, we

958
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 4: learned how to swim at public school too.

959
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 3: Everybody was naked. Can you believe that that happened.

960
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not talking about happened in like the

961
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 4: eighteen forties, like they taught them how to swim.

962
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 3: Nobody wore swimsuits. All the boys were and they were

963
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 3: not with the girls.

964
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 2: Elite men's athletic clubs and and sort of social clubs

965
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 2: and you know, elite and quotes whatever. But in New

966
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 2: York for a long time that were all male. And yeah,

967
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 2: a lot of them had to go co ed because

968
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 2: there were lawsuits because of business that was being conducted,

969
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 2: and women were excluded from this anyway. But when they

970
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 2: were all male, people are gonna think that I'm and

971
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 2: by the way, the famous ones that some of you

972
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,959
Speaker 2: know of in the New York area, this people swam

973
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: in the pools naked, and he was sort of making

974
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: what years like, I mean, this happened when I was

975
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: This happened when when you were a kid, like the

976
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 2: nineteen eighties, we we you know, we would wear but

977
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 2: like there were like really old dudes would splash around

978
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 2: in their naked Yes, the kids would wear bathing suits.

979
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 4: I mean, I couldn't of all the stories that I've

980
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 4: heard about kids going to school, I couldn't like the

981
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 4: fact that everybody would just show up totally naked and

982
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 4: get taught how to swim at public school.

983
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 3: Bonkers to me, it's how they did it. I mean,

984
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 3: it's it is.

985
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 2: I agree that it's a bit of a it's jarring

986
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 2: if they had the Olympics naked back in angel Oh.

987
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 3: I know that, back in Greece in the ancient in

988
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 3: the ancient days.

989
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 2: This show just took a really weird turn. Clay, what

990
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 2: have you done today? Security thread? All right, just talking

991
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: about naked.

992
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 3: Swimming and the Russia gonna blow us up in space? Yeah,

993
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 3: all right, here we go.

994
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 2: Okay, everybody recentering here blame play for this one, and

995
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: flute players send us, send us your most fiery emails.

996
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 2: House intel chairs cryptic warning about serious national security threat

997
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 2: prompts officials to urge calm. You know what I thought

998
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 2: was most interesting about this not the fact that there's

999
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 2: some we have a very serious national security threat. Uh

1000
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 2: and you know, no specifics beyond that, right. I mean

1001
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 2: this reminds me if you remember after nine to eleven,

1002
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 2: there was the oh, the threat level is orange.

1003
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that.

1004
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 2: Color because everybody was like, what you know, because they

1005
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 2: would go to a yellow threat level and it'll right.

1006
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: It was idiotic, but people were scared, and when people

1007
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 2: are scared, they're susceptible to bad ideas, and people in

1008
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 2: power used that fear to push bad ideas and increase

1009
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 2: their power anyway. They they pushed this national security warning.

1010
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 2: And uh, here is Jake Sullivan, the National security Advisor.

1011
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 2: I mean this guy, the notion of this guy inspiring

1012
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 2: any confidence about security. I wouldn't feel good if Jake

1013
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 2: Sullivan was in charge of my neighborhood watch. But he's

1014
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: the national security advisor.

1015
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 3: Here he is. This has cut five play it.

1016
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 6: House Intelligence chair speaking out about a serious national security threat.

1017
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 6: The lack of your abilities anything has the potential to

1018
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 6: raise distress for some Americans. In the simplest of terms,

1019
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 6: Can you tell Americans that there's nothing they have to

1020
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 6: worry about right now in terms of what he describes

1021
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 6: as a national security threat?

1022
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 10: Look, I think in a way that question is impossible

1023
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 10: to answer with the straight yes, right because Americans understand

1024
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 10: that there are a range of threats and challenges in

1025
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 10: the world that we're dealing with every single day, and

1026
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 10: those threats and challenges range from terrorism to state actors,

1027
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 10: and we have to contend with them, and we have

1028
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 10: to contend with them in a way where we ensure

1029
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 10: the ultimate security of the American people.

1030
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 3: So Buck. My thing on this is.

1031
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 4: It's awfully convenient how there's sudden, deep threats to national

1032
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 4: security that emerge when there's one hundred billion dollars that

1033
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 4: you have to vote on to protect Ukraine, Taiwan and

1034
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 4: Israel or you're an American. And when this story came

1035
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 4: out yesterday afternoon, what I sort of heard in the

1036
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 4: response was everybody just sort of rolled their eyes. And

1037
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 4: I think this is emblematic of a deep and abiding

1038
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 4: lack of faith in institutions that exists in America right now.

1039
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 4: And I think a lot of it is the legacy

1040
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 4: of COVID, where they told us all these things that

1041
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 4: made us look ridiculous and did not protect us at all.

1042
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 4: And now I was already and I think you were

1043
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:36,240
Speaker 4: naturally this way too. I'm skeptical, skeptical of authority in general.

1044
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 4: If you tell me, hey, you must do this, my

1045
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 4: eyebrows get raised automatically.

1046
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 3: I think it actually will tell every ill.

1047
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 2: I will tell everyone when you tell Clayon not to

1048
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 2: do something, just like in the n eighty analogy.

1049
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 3: He's letting that mad. So, yeah, I'm more.

1050
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,720
Speaker 4: Likely when I'm told not that I can't do something,

1051
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 4: I'm more likely to want to do it than if

1052
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 4: you let me make my own choice. And so, but

1053
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 4: what I've seen overwhelmingly from this buck is a lot

1054
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 4: of people are like, you know what, I just I

1055
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 4: don't really believe it, And the timing is suspect, and

1056
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 4: I feel like you're lying to me and everybody everyone.

1057
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 2: Raised, everyone looked skyward when this came out there. I

1058
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 2: did not sense, you know, And I'm trying to you know,

1059
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 2: online You're you're reading between the lines and trying to

1060
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 2: figure out what the consensus perception may be. It's imperfect, obviously,

1061
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 2: but we live in this world and you can do

1062
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 2: it pretty well if you're constantly paying attention to what

1063
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 2: everyone's saying. I sensed no anxiety at all. I sensed

1064
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 2: a near universal give me a break. Yeah, everyone say

1065
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 2: think about this. You have the top of the national

1066
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 2: security apparatus in the United States saying.

1067
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 3: There's a really scary threat. You gotta be scared, but

1068
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 3: you got to keep your composure, and everyone says, shut up.

1069
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 3: And that's where we are.

1070
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 2: Now, and I think it's where we are because of

1071
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 2: the failures of the so called foreign policy of national

1072
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 2: security intelligentsia. The sense of an increasingly part is in FBI, CIA,

1073
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 2: and you know, those are really the gold standard agencies

1074
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 2: within that within the intelligence sphere. But you know that's

1075
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 2: something that people are very aware of now, and there's

1076
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 2: there's a general just unwillingness to be led around anymore

1077
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 2: by these clowns, which which I think, in for the

1078
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 2: most part, is a good thing. Right that The problem

1079
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 2: is there could be something that's real one day, and

1080
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 2: not only do we have clowns in charge, we have

1081
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 2: people who will assume the clowns are honking their noses again,

1082
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, They're not.

1083
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 3: We're not going to take it as seriously as we should.

1084
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 3: And the one thing that's a bit alarming about that

1085
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 3: buck is it is the boy who cries wolf scenario. Right.

1086
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 4: At some point in time, there is going to be

1087
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 4: something where we're going to need to know that there

1088
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 4: is a danger and it's going to make sense to

1089
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 4: respond to it. The problem is we've been lied to

1090
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 4: and gas lit to such an extravagant degree that I

1091
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 4: think many people I would put myself in this category.

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Speaker 4: Are not going to believe threats that are actually serious

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Speaker 4: in nature because all of the lies have piled up

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Speaker 4: and there isn't a reason to trust the people in

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Speaker 4: positions of authority. And I don't know how that gets rebuilt.

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Speaker 4: I think Buck, probably you and I are too young

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Speaker 4: to remember this. I think some of our listeners will

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Speaker 4: recall it. The legacy of Vietnam was a profound distrust

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Speaker 4: in this country, and I think after nine to eleven

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Speaker 4: people were pretty trusting in the United States. I think

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Speaker 4: people genuinely thought, Hey, everybody's trying to do the best

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Speaker 4: thing that they can. And now I don't know how

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Speaker 4: that gets rebuilt. It might take a generation, might take longer.

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Speaker 4: Eight hundred two two eight two. The first sound and

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Speaker 4: onboard child makes comes from their heart. A child is

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Speaker 4: not even a month into its existence, still in the

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Speaker 4: womb before we can hear the baby's heartbeat. At five

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Speaker 4: into its life, that heart is big enough loud enough

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Speaker 4: to be captured on ultrasound. That's where Preborn steps in,

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Speaker 4: the nonprofit organization that helps pregnant mothers contending with the

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Speaker 4: decision of abortion or life for their child. Because of

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Speaker 4: the kind of work they do, and by providing a

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Speaker 4: free ultrasound in the process, they're able to rescue two

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Speaker 4: hundred babies every day from abortion. Simply by providing a

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Speaker 4: mother with that free ultrasound. Hearing her child's heartbeat and

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Speaker 4: seeing their perfectly formed body in the womb so often

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Speaker 4: makes the difference and pushes that mother toward the decision

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Speaker 4: to give the baby life, give her child life.

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Speaker 2: That gives life to her child, and also in so

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Speaker 2: many ways, saves the life of that mother because she

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Speaker 2: won't live with the trauma of a decision that she wishes.

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Speaker 3: She could take back for the rest of her life.

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Speaker 2: You can be a critical part of this process because

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Speaker 2: the only funding for preborn comes from you, the pro

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Speaker 2: life community, people like you and me giving their money

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Speaker 2: to save lives. For just twenty eight which will sponsor

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Speaker 2: an ultrasound, you could be the difference between a life

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Speaker 2: or death of a baby. And I know so many

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Speaker 2: of you can spare twenty eight dollars. Think about that

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Speaker 2: twenty eight dollars and it's going right to giving a

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Speaker 2: mother who is in crisis an ultrasound that will encourage

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Speaker 2: her just because of her own decision. Making and her

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Speaker 2: own connection to that child encourage her to have a

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Speaker 2: baby that she might not have otherwise, and someone out there,

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Speaker 2: I think listening to this right now would be able

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Speaker 2: to donate more. Can you consider a leadership gift five

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars ten thousand dollars. I know times are tough

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Speaker 2: right now, but we have people in the pro life

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Speaker 2: community who could write that check and not think twice

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Speaker 2: about it. It's one hundred percent tax deductible, and you'd

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Speaker 2: sponsor Preborn's network for a day, two days, maybe even

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Speaker 2: a week, depends on how much you can give. Consider

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Speaker 2: a leadership gift of five thousand dollars or even ten

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars. Donating is very easy. Use your cell phone

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Speaker 2: dial pound two fifty and say the keyword baby. That's

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Speaker 2: pound two five zero, say baby, or donate securely at

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Speaker 2: preborn dot com, slash buck that's preborn dot com, slash

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Speaker 2: b u c K. Preborn has a one hundred percent

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